WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.200 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera on 2 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:07.839 Fox Sports fourteen fifth Day, powered by Nova Insurance Services 3 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:10.359 Ensure your most prized possessions. 4 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:16.600 Thank good luck everybody to us. I'm Steve Rivera, You're 5 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:18.760 Dave Silver. Welcome to I on the Ball here on 6 00:00:18.839 --> 00:00:22.079 Fox Sports fourteen fifty Welcome to Wednesday. 7 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:24.039 I'm behind the. 8 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:26.960 Board here, so there could be a mishappurtuo, but enjoy 9 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:28.559 the show. I hope you do. I'm Doug Dave with 10 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:32.000 me A big show. Sports wise, no gibbish wise, I 11 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:33.159 will talk about gibberish wise. 12 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:35.880 We can always do gibberish. Yes, yeah, we do. Jibbish. 13 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:39.439 Well, I've got Brian Peterson here in about fifteen seventeen 14 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:41.840 minutes talking about you a of course, you a football, 15 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:44.560 you a basketball catching up kind of like we did 16 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:49.280 with Michael lev yesterday with recruiting and then the basketball program. 17 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:50.840 He was at the press conference. 18 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:54.679 Yesterdady asked Tommy a few good questions about the situation 19 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:58.399 and maybe do this Does this team have too much 20 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:03.359 too much control over their situation and not enough structured control. 21 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:05.640 I thought Tommy gave a pretty good answer, and we'll 22 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:08.120 talk to Brian about that. And then at the four 23 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:10.879 seventeen hour, we're going to talk to Dustin And I 24 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.719 just spaced his first name our last name. I'm sorry. 25 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:17.920 He's from the Indianapolis Star. He covers the Pacers, and 26 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:19.840 I think he'll be well, I know he'll be in 27 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:23.159 Phoenix somewhere, but we'll see if he comes in today 28 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:27.640 for the TJ. McConnell dedication on the on the wall there, 29 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:29.120 not the wall, but the ringo batter. 30 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:33.239 Yeah, it's nice. There's no way, no way you would 31 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:37.319 have thought this. He came in, you know as a transfer, 32 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:39.000 and I think a lot of people kind of were 33 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:41.200 just hoping he would fill in and do okay. And 34 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:44.079 he was, you know, he was one of Sean Miller's favorites. 35 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:46.640 He was the guy from Pittsburgh, I guess, right, So 36 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:48.959 he knew the family and he had some kind of 37 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:51.560 connections with Miller and got to town and you know, 38 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:54.640 had a nice run for a few years and goes 39 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:56.840 in the pros and again one of these players has 40 00:01:56.879 --> 00:01:58.560 just managed to get in the right place at the 41 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:01.239 right time, I think, and some good teams and they 42 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:05.079 needed they needed his talent in those situations. Philadelphia Indiana 43 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:07.920 things like that. Yeah, no, and he plays. 44 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:11.280 He's the dude you want on your team, dude you 45 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:14.400 wanted to I won't say Judd Buschler because I want 46 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:16.360 to say he's probaby better than Jeded Butchler. But Jed 47 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:22.520 Busherd looks Judd Butschler, Steve Kerr, I'm sure there's Tolbert. Yeah, 48 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:26.919 dudes who were like overwhelmingly gifted, but gifted enough to 49 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:28.639 land a long time in the NBA. 50 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:31.560 It talked about glue guys that Arizona maybe this year 51 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:34.360 doesn't have that type of player. The TJ was that 52 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:36.719 kind of a player that he made the guys better 53 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:39.639 and uh, you know, the leadership things like that that 54 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:42.319 are kind of intangible. It's just kind of fun to 55 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.840 watch how he's partlay that into a long career. 56 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:47.759 No question, no question. And of all the NBA guys, 57 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:50.719 I think that he's well Steve. Steve's one of the 58 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:52.360 probably at the top of the list of how long 59 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:56.520 he'd lasted and how well he did. Uh. Buschler finally 60 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:59.400 got paid to leave, and Tolbert landed as long as 61 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.439 he could. Right, So this guy, by his second most 62 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:05.639 second Sean Rooks, Sean Rooks right and right for a 63 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:07.759 long but he was a big man who could play, 64 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:11.800 you know, just but t J self made, self made 65 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:14.719 and uh smart. I think he's gonna be a heck 66 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:16.759 of a coach. I was gonna say, yeah, if he 67 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:18.400 coach decides to coach, he's gonna be heck of a 68 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:19.199 coach next. 69 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:21.960 I mean, you know what these guys, uh, you know, 70 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:23.599 he's made a lot of money too, so who knows 71 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:25.840 if he even wants to wants to bother with that. 72 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.240 Like some of the other guys that wound up being coaches, 73 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:29.800 it was kind of like, well, I needed another job, 74 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:32.879 so I'll get back into coaching, whether it's college or pro. 75 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.400 But TJ wasn't he the son of a coach? I 76 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:38.599 believe his dad, So he's you know, he's been around 77 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:39.039 that world. 78 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:42.680 I would bet my life, Dave, for what it's worth 79 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.759 ten bucks that uh that he becomes an assistant for 80 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:51.199 Sean when okay, and then and then branches out eventually. 81 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:52.919 Yeah, it gets a couple of years maybe just as 82 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:54.800 you know, learning how to how this whole thing works 83 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:59.080 and not the whole anil thing is is is a factor. 84 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:01.000 And more power to you decided to come in because 85 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:03.479 of that, I mean because or as a result, you know, 86 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:04.159 you go in. 87 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:05.759 Do I have to deal with that? Never mind, I 88 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:07.280 don't need to go Yeah, I mean I was just 89 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:12.039 looking just randomly before today today's shows, looking at Samford's 90 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:15.080 roster and stuff. I know, we're playing Stanford Samford this 91 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.199 week tonight, I should say. You know, they've got like 92 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:22.399 five or six people who are general managers or behind 93 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:24.959 the scenes kind of people like what is that exactly job? 94 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:28.040 So there's even they're dealing with the ni L in 95 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:30.839 the Southern Conference. Well, well, you know it's a problem. 96 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:33.639 You saw you talking them then administratively. Yes, yeah, so 97 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.879 let me say this to your point. And I forgot 98 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:39.759 his name, not woj Right, yeah, he went he went 99 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:41.519 to say where has graduated? 100 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:41.920 Blah blah. 101 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:44.759 He's the GM there. Yeah, and he was probably making 102 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:47.040 a ton of money at ESPN. I'm sure he's getting 103 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:51.360 paid well here. But that's that's the decisions the people 104 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:52.040 are making. 105 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:54.360 Right right, and those positions are now available on these 106 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:58.160 basketball coaching staffs. Arizona has a guy who's a you know, 107 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.560 quote unquote general manager. Came out of business and I 108 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:03.680 think he had some some coaching experience, but he was 109 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:05.439 more of a business guy. It's kind of what you 110 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:07.680 have to have as far as the background goes and 111 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:12.560 money management and just you know, evaluating players and stuff. 112 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:16.279 And all this time I was criticizing uh someonin uh 113 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:19.399 Somelan and other baby schools that had. 114 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:21.199 What's the guy? 115 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:25.079 He was an assistant. He it was his right hand man. Uh. 116 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.959 I forget his dad was in the NFL. And somebody 117 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:30.800 who's listening, maybe Brian will come up with the name. 118 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:31.240 Uh. 119 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.879 He was his kind of driver, if you will, is right. 120 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:36.319 I had to keep someone out of trouble, and I 121 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.639 guess he did. But he was, you know, don't interview here, 122 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:41.199 don't interview there, Uh don't what's the story? 123 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:41.399 You know. 124 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:43.399 We kind of had to tell him the story before 125 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:46.639 we actual which made no sense to me in the 126 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:47.519 journalism world. 127 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:50.360 Well, you know, HERM. Edwards caught a lot of flak 128 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:52.000 when he got to a s U and kind of 129 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.680 set up, you know, a pro organization there. Oh, I've 130 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.199 got a general manager and I've got somebody doing player 131 00:05:57.240 --> 00:05:59.759 personnel and like wait a minute, that just that just 132 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:01.879 was the thing. And he was, you know, he got 133 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:03.600 a lot of heat for that. But you know what, 134 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.199 I think a lot of programs have gone that down 135 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:06.680 that road. 136 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:09.399 Yeah, no question now because you have to yeah, uh 137 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:12.439 and maybe they were just ahead of their time because 138 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.040 pretty much, I'm sure there are coaches, but there are 139 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:17.279 a lot of There are coaches who coach and then 140 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:20.120 kind of like their coaches who are CEOs, right, and 141 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:22.839 that Jed was at least you could kind of think that. 142 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:25.839 I'm not sure if that's accurate with Jeded. Maybe he 143 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:29.160 did coach him, yeah, but if he did good for you. 144 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:30.000 Yeah, I mean pretty good. 145 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:30.199 Yeah. 146 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:32.519 We lived through you know, the dic Tomy era where 147 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:34.360 he was literally on the field with his hat on 148 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:36.360 backwards and going through drills with the players. 149 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:37.040 Yeah. 150 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:40.040 Obviously Mike stoops I was pretty dynamic with that as well, 151 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:42.560 but others. You're right, Mackovic pretty much kind of stood 152 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.079 off to the side and did his thing. But Jed 153 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:47.920 kind of the same same approach. Yeah, And I've never 154 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:50.199 seen Brennan in practice yet, so I don't know how that. 155 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:52.399 I think he looks like he runs around a little bit. Yeah, 156 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:56.040 probably does what impact he has, who knows, ye, as 157 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:58.639 a former player, he probably you know, has the juices flowing. 158 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:02.000 Uh yeah, yeah, well Putty needed to have it more 159 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:04.600 more flowing. There was something that was said on on 160 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:06.600 What's his Name show? 161 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:06.920 Today? 162 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:09.920 Uh romy And I can't remember what he said, but 163 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:11.680 it struck me as just how. 164 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:13.680 Coaches need to be that guy. 165 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:17.680 They need to be that guy and dynamic and and 166 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.439 I wanted to ask you this in your time as 167 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:23.720 a sports guy on TV and following it, Now, what 168 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.360 do you what do you what you take away the 169 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:28.000 most from what you noticed? 170 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:29.240 Uh? 171 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:34.279 From teams like it just not a quiz, a trick question, 172 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:34.959 but it's a quiz. 173 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:37.759 I think they reflected their coach, you know, like Luke 174 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.720 was very stoic most of the time, and the team 175 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:45.040 was serious and they were disciplined. So I think I 176 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:47.560 think there is something to that. You know, they're a 177 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:50.160 reflection of their leader. And sometimes the leader maybe is 178 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:51.920 a little out of control and maybe the players are 179 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:55.399 control yeah, undisciplined or whatever. Yeah yeah yeah. 180 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.560 If there's no discipline, you have none, So why why 181 00:07:58.560 --> 00:07:59.439 I pretend. 182 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.560 That there is? Yeah? So, I mean I think definitely, 183 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:04.879 you know, I'm really curious to see how Belichick relates 184 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:08.519 to the eighteen to twenty three year olds, with his 185 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:12.560 with his way of doing things and his mannerisms, and 186 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:14.199 how he's gonna deal with the media, there's gonna be 187 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:16.680 a lot to just observe. 188 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:18.800 I would assume that he's probably gonna be the same, 189 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:23.040 and the kids will be, I'm not sure, better or worse, 190 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:25.680 because they know that they have to respect the hell 191 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:29.519 out of him because and play hard for him, because 192 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:32.919 if they don't, they're gone. This year though this year 193 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:35.399 to me here it was more of a it doesn't 194 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.600 matter if I play hard or not, I'll be gone anyway. 195 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:37.919 Right. 196 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:41.960 That makes he said thirty Yeah, yeah, that just doesn't happen. 197 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:42.919 Yeah, thirty people. 198 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:44.840 And guess what he and as much as we could 199 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:46.759 talk about they didn't have talent, or they had talent. 200 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.480 The more kid went to Tennessee, I saw that, and 201 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:52.600 a few of them might be going to Washington. So 202 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.799 there was talent. It's whether that talent. Let me ask you, 203 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:59.000 whether that talent played for you or didn't play for you. 204 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:02.000 I'm sure Again, I go to your history and my history. 205 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:04.399 I'm sure you sts of talented people in your business. 206 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:06.799 Ye that didn't dive a crap And you said, kind 207 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:09.039 if this guy was just apply himself, he'd be very good. 208 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:11.399 Yeah, but you we definitely had that. We had people 209 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:14.039 who were I don't want to call them, well Prima 210 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.080 Donna's no lazy. Is that maybe that's okay, that's a 211 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:18.799 good word. Sometimes you go, man, you know, maybe you 212 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:21.399 should have done a little bit more with that story 213 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:23.200 or done a little bit and that's just that's I 214 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:23.960 think in general. 215 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:26.759 Is that because they thought they were better that did 216 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:27.279 he need to? 217 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.399 Yeah? Sometimes they didn't or they didn't like to be 218 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:34.639 told what to do. You know, they weren't, if you will, coachable. 219 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:38.399 Sometimes that even comes in in real life experiences where 220 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:40.360 it's like, you know, I need you to do this 221 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:42.159 for me, and you know, just just do what it's 222 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:43.759 going to help out the story. Are you talking about 223 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:44.519 people who work for you? 224 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:44.840 Yeah? 225 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:47.399 Okay, yeah, and that makes sense. Yeah, because you're kind 226 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:49.639 of the coach exactly. Sometimes you go out on a 227 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:52.879 story and you knew what you wanted from a storytelling 228 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.440 standpoint visual, and you had to convey that to everybody 229 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:58.759 involved in the story. Sure, and then you come back 230 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.080 to this to the station, look at it. We just 231 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:04.320 kind of didn't missed what I wanted. You missed that happens. Yeah, 232 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:06.720 but it's you know again, you want to compare it 233 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:08.600 to sports, it's kind of the same thing and telling 234 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:11.440 these guys what to do and the results aren't always there. 235 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:13.679 The thing that I learned, I learned a few things. 236 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:16.919 The emotions play a lot into the game. If you're 237 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:18.440 not up, you're not up and you're not gonna win. 238 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:21.519 But the one thing that I can say is coaching matters. 239 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.399 Coaching matters. I know talent matters, but to me, coaching 240 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:27.120 matters the most because if you don't have a good coach, 241 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:30.480 he's not gonna get on your ass to play harder. 242 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.000 Or if he does and you don't listen, that's not 243 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:36.399 the player. But you can tell. And I was spoiled. 244 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:40.080 I covered some pretty good coaches, not very many bad ones, 245 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.559 if any, bad ones who got the most out of 246 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:47.559 their people, because bad coaches can kind of survive with talent, 247 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:48.799 but they're not gonna win. 248 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:49.519 They're not gonna win. 249 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:52.240 If you don't have a good coach, you're not gonna win, 250 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.080 even though you have talent. How many teams have talent 251 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:57.360 don't go win. Could we be seeing one right now? 252 00:10:58.200 --> 00:10:58.360 Well? 253 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.440 I mean I think especially in baduball and football, the 254 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:03.320 coach is important. How many you know, all the great 255 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:05.919 teams of the NBA, they all had a great coach 256 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:08.720 ween going back to Red hour Back and Mike Krzyzewski, 257 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:11.320 all those great teams, uh, you know were led by 258 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:16.519 a leader who just you know, had the respect of 259 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:18.840 the players and was able to evaluate talent and did 260 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.120 all the right things. So when there's usually a team 261 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.480 having a rough patch, sometimes you got to look at 262 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.879 who's who's running the shows running the show right right? 263 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:29.840 Uh. And the one thing with Luke, he commanded respect 264 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:31.559 just because of you know, even walking. 265 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:33.480 To the room, right, people in the room kind of 266 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.320 stood up straighter, you know. Yeah. Uh and and and 267 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:37.840 that's just the way it was. Yeah. 268 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:41.360 Uh. Dick Tony was more of a casual dude. He 269 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:44.080 was a buddy, but he also commanded the respect of 270 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:44.679 his players. 271 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:46.960 Yeah. And I saw him and you saw him get 272 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:49.440 on people on the sidelines. Oh yeah. Rich Rod was 273 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:51.879 that guy. You know, he got on him if you 274 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:53.200 didn't if you weren't working hard. 275 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:55.200 And that's what there's there's a reason why rich is 276 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:56.000 a pretty good coach. 277 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:58.879 Yeah, there are those two guys are pretty similar. I think, 278 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:01.480 you know, maybe separate by you know, thirty years or so. 279 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:06.360 Rich rich and Dick. I think we're somewhat similar their approach, 280 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:08.360 the way the way they dealt with the media, and 281 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:12.720 I know that coach Tomy would there be times where 282 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:14.759 we will be a practice, which was pretty rare even 283 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:17.440 later later on, we were hardly ever allowed in practice. 284 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:19.919 We could watch the first ten minutes or so. But 285 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:24.679 for Richard, for Tony, Yeah, in those years, we were 286 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:26.639 we were pretty much we were allowed for most of 287 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:28.039 the most of the practice, but every once in a while 288 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:29.919 he would come over and kind of give us a 289 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:31.519 dirty look like, hey, you know, we're going to do 290 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:33.320 some stuff we don't want we don't want anybody to 291 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:35.639 see remember those days. And it was fine because we 292 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:38.639 by then we usually had enough. But he would go, yeah, 293 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:40.279 and then we and you know, they'd run some trick 294 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:42.840 plays and things like that. They you know, wind up 295 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:44.960 playing on you know, game seven of the season. 296 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:45.399 Yeah. 297 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:47.399 But he was good about you know, he's a good sport. 298 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:48.960 He understood what we were. You know, we had a 299 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:51.600 job to do too, which a lot of coaches Don'tald's 300 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:52.759 understand that. 301 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:54.840 He was not he was not even half the guy 302 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:58.720 Rich was in animations though, Oh no, you. 303 00:12:58.679 --> 00:12:59.120 Know, like. 304 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:02.360 In fact, last night, Rich said that he might have 305 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:07.480 melted a little. Okay, that's December seventeenth. He's saying this, 306 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:11.559 tell me that in the September fifteenth when they're playing somebody. Yeah, 307 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.480 that doesn't change. That doesn't change. But that's what makes 308 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:15.480 some kind of a good coach. 309 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:17.840 Yeah. I mean he's got personality that's for sure. Gets 310 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:20.399 him on TV. And you know, had that had a 311 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:24.480 you know the times and success in some big time programs, 312 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:27.639 goes to TV, does pretty well, kind of takes a Breakah, 313 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:30.519 goes down to Jacksonville States. You know, does anybody know 314 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:32.759 where that is? And it's in Alabama some point. Yeah, 315 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:35.440 and he did really well there, did well. Yeah, and 316 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:37.519 back he is. You know he can just you know, 317 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.759 be a good be a good citizen and making three 318 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:43.480 and a half million dollars a year. Yeah, going back 319 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:45.240 to his home state. So it's you know, he's got 320 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:46.840 a lot of a lot of incentive this time around. 321 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:47.200 For sure. 322 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.679 Man, if this prodigal son could go back to Santa 323 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:52.440 Fe and live, I'd be doing it right now. You know, 324 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:56.000 you grew up in towards San Diego. No, he a, yeah, 325 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.279 if I can go back to Cooper Tina right now. Yeah, 326 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:01.600 just kind of put your feet up, Dave, aren't you, Dave? 327 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:04.919 I mean I was there before Apple was even at Ubertino. 328 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:07.879 I was going high school, junior high there, right, they 329 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:08.600 were building that. 330 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:12.440 That's when just was like really running. That's very fun. 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