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Speaker 2: me A big show. Sports wise, no gibbish wise, I
Speaker 2: will talk about gibberish wise.
Speaker 3: We can always do gibberish. Yes, yeah, we do. Jibbish.
Speaker 2: Well, I've got Brian Peterson here in about fifteen seventeen
Speaker 2: minutes talking about you a of course, you a football,
Speaker 2: you a basketball catching up kind of like we did
Speaker 2: with Michael lev yesterday with recruiting and then the basketball program.
Speaker 3: He was at the press conference.
Speaker 2: Yesterdady asked Tommy a few good questions about the situation
Speaker 2: and maybe do this Does this team have too much
Speaker 2: too much control over their situation and not enough structured control.
Speaker 2: I thought Tommy gave a pretty good answer, and we'll
Speaker 2: talk to Brian about that. And then at the four
Speaker 2: seventeen hour, we're going to talk to Dustin And I
Speaker 2: just spaced his first name our last name. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: He's from the Indianapolis Star. He covers the Pacers, and
Speaker 2: I think he'll be well, I know he'll be in
Speaker 2: Phoenix somewhere, but we'll see if he comes in today
Speaker 2: for the TJ. McConnell dedication on the on the wall there,
Speaker 2: not the wall, but the ringo batter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nice. There's no way, no way you would
Speaker 3: have thought this. He came in, you know as a transfer,
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of people kind of were
Speaker 3: just hoping he would fill in and do okay. And
Speaker 3: he was, you know, he was one of Sean Miller's favorites.
Speaker 3: He was the guy from Pittsburgh, I guess, right, So
Speaker 3: he knew the family and he had some kind of
Speaker 3: connections with Miller and got to town and you know,
Speaker 3: had a nice run for a few years and goes
Speaker 3: in the pros and again one of these players has
Speaker 3: just managed to get in the right place at the
Speaker 3: right time, I think, and some good teams and they
Speaker 3: needed they needed his talent in those situations. Philadelphia Indiana
Speaker 3: things like that. Yeah, no, and he plays.
Speaker 2: He's the dude you want on your team, dude you
Speaker 2: wanted to I won't say Judd Buschler because I want
Speaker 2: to say he's probaby better than Jeded Butchler. But Jed
Speaker 2: Busherd looks Judd Butschler, Steve Kerr, I'm sure there's Tolbert. Yeah,
Speaker 2: dudes who were like overwhelmingly gifted, but gifted enough to
Speaker 2: land a long time in the NBA.
Speaker 3: It talked about glue guys that Arizona maybe this year
Speaker 3: doesn't have that type of player. The TJ was that
Speaker 3: kind of a player that he made the guys better
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, the leadership things like that that
Speaker 3: are kind of intangible. It's just kind of fun to
Speaker 3: watch how he's partlay that into a long career.
Speaker 2: No question, no question. And of all the NBA guys,
Speaker 2: I think that he's well Steve. Steve's one of the
Speaker 2: probably at the top of the list of how long
Speaker 2: he'd lasted and how well he did. Uh. Buschler finally
Speaker 2: got paid to leave, and Tolbert landed as long as
Speaker 2: he could. Right, So this guy, by his second most
Speaker 2: second Sean Rooks, Sean Rooks right and right for a
Speaker 2: long but he was a big man who could play,
Speaker 2: you know, just but t J self made, self made
Speaker 2: and uh smart. I think he's gonna be a heck
Speaker 2: of a coach. I was gonna say, yeah, if he
Speaker 2: coach decides to coach, he's gonna be heck of a
Speaker 2: coach next.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know what these guys, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: he's made a lot of money too, so who knows
Speaker 3: if he even wants to wants to bother with that.
Speaker 3: Like some of the other guys that wound up being coaches,
Speaker 3: it was kind of like, well, I needed another job,
Speaker 3: so I'll get back into coaching, whether it's college or pro.
Speaker 3: But TJ wasn't he the son of a coach? I
Speaker 3: believe his dad, So he's you know, he's been around
Speaker 3: that world.
Speaker 2: I would bet my life, Dave, for what it's worth
Speaker 2: ten bucks that uh that he becomes an assistant for
Speaker 2: Sean when okay, and then and then branches out eventually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it gets a couple of years maybe just as
Speaker 3: you know, learning how to how this whole thing works
Speaker 3: and not the whole anil thing is is is a factor.
Speaker 2: And more power to you decided to come in because
Speaker 2: of that, I mean because or as a result, you know,
Speaker 2: you go in.
Speaker 3: Do I have to deal with that? Never mind, I
Speaker 3: don't need to go Yeah, I mean I was just
Speaker 3: looking just randomly before today today's shows, looking at Samford's
Speaker 3: roster and stuff. I know, we're playing Stanford Samford this
Speaker 3: week tonight, I should say. You know, they've got like
Speaker 3: five or six people who are general managers or behind
Speaker 3: the scenes kind of people like what is that exactly job?
Speaker 3: So there's even they're dealing with the ni L in
Speaker 3: the Southern Conference. Well, well, you know it's a problem.
Speaker 2: You saw you talking them then administratively. Yes, yeah, so
Speaker 2: let me say this to your point. And I forgot
Speaker 2: his name, not woj Right, yeah, he went he went
Speaker 2: to say where has graduated?
Speaker 3: Blah blah.
Speaker 2: He's the GM there. Yeah, and he was probably making
Speaker 2: a ton of money at ESPN. I'm sure he's getting
Speaker 2: paid well here. But that's that's the decisions the people
Speaker 2: are making.
Speaker 3: Right right, and those positions are now available on these
Speaker 3: basketball coaching staffs. Arizona has a guy who's a you know,
Speaker 3: quote unquote general manager. Came out of business and I
Speaker 3: think he had some some coaching experience, but he was
Speaker 3: more of a business guy. It's kind of what you
Speaker 3: have to have as far as the background goes and
Speaker 3: money management and just you know, evaluating players and stuff.
Speaker 2: And all this time I was criticizing uh someonin uh
Speaker 2: Somelan and other baby schools that had.
Speaker 3: What's the guy?
Speaker 2: He was an assistant. He it was his right hand man. Uh.
Speaker 2: I forget his dad was in the NFL. And somebody
Speaker 2: who's listening, maybe Brian will come up with the name.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: He was his kind of driver, if you will, is right.
Speaker 2: I had to keep someone out of trouble, and I
Speaker 2: guess he did. But he was, you know, don't interview here,
Speaker 2: don't interview there, Uh don't what's the story?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: We kind of had to tell him the story before
Speaker 2: we actual which made no sense to me in the
Speaker 2: journalism world.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, HERM. Edwards caught a lot of flak
Speaker 3: when he got to a s U and kind of
Speaker 3: set up, you know, a pro organization there. Oh, I've
Speaker 3: got a general manager and I've got somebody doing player
Speaker 3: personnel and like wait a minute, that just that just
Speaker 3: was the thing. And he was, you know, he got
Speaker 3: a lot of heat for that. But you know what,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of programs have gone that down
Speaker 3: that road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question now because you have to yeah, uh
Speaker 2: and maybe they were just ahead of their time because
Speaker 2: pretty much, I'm sure there are coaches, but there are
Speaker 2: a lot of There are coaches who coach and then
Speaker 2: kind of like their coaches who are CEOs, right, and
Speaker 2: that Jed was at least you could kind of think that.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if that's accurate with Jeded. Maybe he
Speaker 2: did coach him, yeah, but if he did good for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We lived through you know, the dic Tomy era where
Speaker 3: he was literally on the field with his hat on
Speaker 3: backwards and going through drills with the players.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Obviously Mike stoops I was pretty dynamic with that as well,
Speaker 3: but others. You're right, Mackovic pretty much kind of stood
Speaker 3: off to the side and did his thing. But Jed
Speaker 3: kind of the same same approach. Yeah, And I've never
Speaker 3: seen Brennan in practice yet, so I don't know how that.
Speaker 3: I think he looks like he runs around a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: probably does what impact he has, who knows, ye, as
Speaker 3: a former player, he probably you know, has the juices flowing.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, well Putty needed to have it more
Speaker 2: more flowing. There was something that was said on on
Speaker 2: What's his Name show?
Speaker 3: Today?
Speaker 2: Uh romy And I can't remember what he said, but
Speaker 2: it struck me as just how.
Speaker 3: Coaches need to be that guy.
Speaker 2: They need to be that guy and dynamic and and
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you this in your time as
Speaker 2: a sports guy on TV and following it, Now, what
Speaker 2: do you what do you what you take away the
Speaker 2: most from what you noticed?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: From teams like it just not a quiz, a trick question,
Speaker 2: but it's a quiz.
Speaker 3: I think they reflected their coach, you know, like Luke
Speaker 3: was very stoic most of the time, and the team
Speaker 3: was serious and they were disciplined. So I think I
Speaker 3: think there is something to that. You know, they're a
Speaker 3: reflection of their leader. And sometimes the leader maybe is
Speaker 3: a little out of control and maybe the players are
Speaker 3: control yeah, undisciplined or whatever. Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: If there's no discipline, you have none, So why why
Speaker 2: I pretend.
Speaker 3: That there is? Yeah? So, I mean I think definitely,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm really curious to see how Belichick relates
Speaker 3: to the eighteen to twenty three year olds, with his
Speaker 3: with his way of doing things and his mannerisms, and
Speaker 3: how he's gonna deal with the media, there's gonna be
Speaker 3: a lot to just observe.
Speaker 2: I would assume that he's probably gonna be the same,
Speaker 2: and the kids will be, I'm not sure, better or worse,
Speaker 2: because they know that they have to respect the hell
Speaker 2: out of him because and play hard for him, because
Speaker 2: if they don't, they're gone. This year though this year
Speaker 2: to me here it was more of a it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter if I play hard or not, I'll be gone anyway.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: That makes he said thirty Yeah, yeah, that just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty people.
Speaker 2: And guess what he and as much as we could
Speaker 2: talk about they didn't have talent, or they had talent.
Speaker 2: The more kid went to Tennessee, I saw that, and
Speaker 2: a few of them might be going to Washington. So
Speaker 2: there was talent. It's whether that talent. Let me ask you,
Speaker 2: whether that talent played for you or didn't play for you.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Again, I go to your history and my history.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you sts of talented people in your business.
Speaker 2: Ye that didn't dive a crap And you said, kind
Speaker 2: if this guy was just apply himself, he'd be very good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you we definitely had that. We had people
Speaker 3: who were I don't want to call them, well Prima
Speaker 3: Donna's no lazy. Is that maybe that's okay, that's a
Speaker 3: good word. Sometimes you go, man, you know, maybe you
Speaker 3: should have done a little bit more with that story
Speaker 3: or done a little bit and that's just that's I
Speaker 3: think in general.
Speaker 2: Is that because they thought they were better that did
Speaker 2: he need to?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sometimes they didn't or they didn't like to be
Speaker 3: told what to do. You know, they weren't, if you will, coachable.
Speaker 3: Sometimes that even comes in in real life experiences where
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, I need you to do this
Speaker 3: for me, and you know, just just do what it's
Speaker 3: going to help out the story. Are you talking about
Speaker 3: people who work for you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and that makes sense. Yeah, because you're kind
Speaker 3: of the coach exactly. Sometimes you go out on a
Speaker 3: story and you knew what you wanted from a storytelling
Speaker 3: standpoint visual, and you had to convey that to everybody
Speaker 3: involved in the story. Sure, and then you come back
Speaker 3: to this to the station, look at it. We just
Speaker 3: kind of didn't missed what I wanted. You missed that happens. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's you know again, you want to compare it
Speaker 3: to sports, it's kind of the same thing and telling
Speaker 3: these guys what to do and the results aren't always there.
Speaker 2: The thing that I learned, I learned a few things.
Speaker 2: The emotions play a lot into the game. If you're
Speaker 2: not up, you're not up and you're not gonna win.
Speaker 2: But the one thing that I can say is coaching matters.
Speaker 2: Coaching matters. I know talent matters, but to me, coaching
Speaker 2: matters the most because if you don't have a good coach,
Speaker 2: he's not gonna get on your ass to play harder.
Speaker 2: Or if he does and you don't listen, that's not
Speaker 2: the player. But you can tell. And I was spoiled.
Speaker 2: I covered some pretty good coaches, not very many bad ones,
Speaker 2: if any, bad ones who got the most out of
Speaker 2: their people, because bad coaches can kind of survive with talent,
Speaker 2: but they're not gonna win.
Speaker 3: They're not gonna win.
Speaker 2: If you don't have a good coach, you're not gonna win,
Speaker 2: even though you have talent. How many teams have talent
Speaker 2: don't go win. Could we be seeing one right now?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: I mean I think especially in baduball and football, the
Speaker 3: coach is important. How many you know, all the great
Speaker 3: teams of the NBA, they all had a great coach
Speaker 3: ween going back to Red hour Back and Mike Krzyzewski,
Speaker 3: all those great teams, uh, you know were led by
Speaker 3: a leader who just you know, had the respect of
Speaker 3: the players and was able to evaluate talent and did
Speaker 3: all the right things. So when there's usually a team
Speaker 3: having a rough patch, sometimes you got to look at
Speaker 3: who's who's running the shows running the show right right?
Speaker 2: Uh. And the one thing with Luke, he commanded respect
Speaker 2: just because of you know, even walking.
Speaker 3: To the room, right, people in the room kind of
Speaker 3: stood up straighter, you know. Yeah. Uh and and and
Speaker 3: that's just the way it was. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh. Dick Tony was more of a casual dude. He
Speaker 2: was a buddy, but he also commanded the respect of
Speaker 2: his players.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I saw him and you saw him get
Speaker 3: on people on the sidelines. Oh yeah. Rich Rod was
Speaker 3: that guy. You know, he got on him if you
Speaker 3: didn't if you weren't working hard.
Speaker 2: And that's what there's there's a reason why rich is
Speaker 2: a pretty good coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are those two guys are pretty similar. I think,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe separate by you know, thirty years or so.
Speaker 3: Rich rich and Dick. I think we're somewhat similar their approach,
Speaker 3: the way the way they dealt with the media, and
Speaker 3: I know that coach Tomy would there be times where
Speaker 3: we will be a practice, which was pretty rare even
Speaker 3: later later on, we were hardly ever allowed in practice.
Speaker 3: We could watch the first ten minutes or so. But
Speaker 3: for Richard, for Tony, Yeah, in those years, we were
Speaker 3: we were pretty much we were allowed for most of
Speaker 3: the most of the practice, but every once in a while
Speaker 3: he would come over and kind of give us a
Speaker 3: dirty look like, hey, you know, we're going to do
Speaker 3: some stuff we don't want we don't want anybody to
Speaker 3: see remember those days. And it was fine because we
Speaker 3: by then we usually had enough. But he would go, yeah,
Speaker 3: and then we and you know, they'd run some trick
Speaker 3: plays and things like that. They you know, wind up
Speaker 3: playing on you know, game seven of the season.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But he was good about you know, he's a good sport.
Speaker 3: He understood what we were. You know, we had a
Speaker 3: job to do too, which a lot of coaches Don'tald's
Speaker 3: understand that.
Speaker 2: He was not he was not even half the guy
Speaker 2: Rich was in animations though, Oh no, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like.
Speaker 2: In fact, last night, Rich said that he might have
Speaker 2: melted a little. Okay, that's December seventeenth. He's saying this,
Speaker 2: tell me that in the September fifteenth when they're playing somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that doesn't change. That doesn't change. But that's what makes
Speaker 2: some kind of a good coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean he's got personality that's for sure. Gets
Speaker 3: him on TV. And you know, had that had a
Speaker 3: you know the times and success in some big time programs,
Speaker 3: goes to TV, does pretty well, kind of takes a Breakah,
Speaker 3: goes down to Jacksonville States. You know, does anybody know
Speaker 3: where that is? And it's in Alabama some point. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he did really well there, did well. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: back he is. You know he can just you know,
Speaker 3: be a good be a good citizen and making three
Speaker 3: and a half million dollars a year. Yeah, going back
Speaker 3: to his home state. So it's you know, he's got
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of incentive this time around.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 3: Man, if this prodigal son could go back to Santa
Speaker 3: Fe and live, I'd be doing it right now. You know,
Speaker 3: you grew up in towards San Diego. No, he a, yeah,
Speaker 3: if I can go back to Cooper Tina right now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just kind of put your feet up, Dave, aren't you, Dave?
Speaker 3: I mean I was there before Apple was even at Ubertino.
Speaker 3: I was going high school, junior high there, right, they
Speaker 3: were building that.
Speaker 2: That's when just was like really running. That's very fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was just a big city like everybody else. Yeah, Okay,
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Speaker 2: Are you there brain yep? Theyam okay, Brian goodhear from you.
Speaker 2: Welcome up, Brian Peterson from Easy Desert Swarm. Busy week,
Speaker 2: I guess for you high and every week now the
Speaker 2: rest of the season with recruiting and then basketball. Let's
Speaker 2: start with recruiting, because yeah, has happened today? Come with
Speaker 2: people coming in? You like the people coming in.
Speaker 13: I mean, it remains to be seen.
Speaker 14: All I can do is look at numbers, snap counts, ratings,
Speaker 14: things like that. They're either players that were very successful
Speaker 14: at a lower level or didn't play much at a
Speaker 14: comparable level. In terms of Arizona, So you don't know
Speaker 14: how that's going to translate to Arizona. But these are
Speaker 14: guys that this staff wants, which is different than the
Speaker 14: players that they were given last year. And they showed
Speaker 14: that they weren't able to do well with the group
Speaker 14: that they were given, so maybe they needed their own players.
Speaker 14: And that's kind of the direction I'm looking at it
Speaker 14: is you really shouldn't judge a coach on what they
Speaker 14: do with someone else's players, because more often than not,
Speaker 14: especially if they were successful, it's hard to replicate that.
Speaker 14: Usually when you have a coach that does better with
Speaker 14: someone's players, it's because there was an underachieving, Like maybe
Speaker 14: what you saw going from Sean Miller to Tommy Lloyd,
Speaker 14: but there was some regression was likely, maybe not as
Speaker 14: much as Arizona had, but those were someone else's players,
Speaker 14: and you got to see what this group can do
Speaker 14: with its own, with the guys it wants.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you, so thirty guys or so
Speaker 2: left the program of that give me maybe the good ones,
Speaker 2: you know, the thirty, how many were really good that
Speaker 2: could I'll just ask that question first.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean six to eight of them were ones
Speaker 14: that were that they would really like to have back.
Speaker 14: Only one of them has committed elsewhere. Wendell Moway, the
Speaker 14: starting left guard, is going to Tennessee, and it would
Speaker 14: be great to have had him back. All the other
Speaker 14: kind of big names are guys on the defense, particularly
Speaker 14: the three defensive starters excuse me caption the captains who
Speaker 14: suffered those season ending knee injuries, as well as to
Speaker 14: Carrio Davis and Dalton Johnson and Genesis Smith.
Speaker 4: And Tayi tay Ukalele.
Speaker 13: All those guys, those are the ones.
Speaker 4: That they would like to have back.
Speaker 14: And there was something that I noticed when it came
Speaker 14: to all of those defensive departures that it might just
Speaker 14: be a formality. But none of them have made any
Speaker 14: public posts themselves about entering the portal, saying thank you
Speaker 14: to Tucson, goodbye, the usual stuff you see when somebody
Speaker 14: announced the transfer, with the long winded with that being said, I.
Speaker 4: Have entered, blah blah blah. These have all just.
Speaker 14: Been kind of announcements that have probably been coming through
Speaker 14: their agents and whatnot, and they're in the portal, but
Speaker 14: none of them have essentially to me that looks like
Speaker 14: they've left the door open to come back to Arizona.
Speaker 3: You know, they were all coached by Jed Fish too,
Speaker 3: and it seems like and from what we've been reading,
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys have you know, either made
Speaker 3: the pilgrimage to Seattle or at least taking a look again.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's gonna happen where maybe you know,
Speaker 3: four or five go up to Seattle and play for
Speaker 3: the Huskies.
Speaker 14: It's it's very possible because I mean, these are all
Speaker 14: guys that.
Speaker 4: That Jed would have liked to have had come with
Speaker 4: him last.
Speaker 13: Offseason to go to Washington, and.
Speaker 14: They made the decision to stay together and kind of
Speaker 14: finish what they started at Arizona. Well, it didn't really
Speaker 14: work out, and maybe they'd like to see if they
Speaker 14: should have gone with their first instinct if it was
Speaker 14: to go to Washington for guys like Manu and Trade
Speaker 14: and Stukes and Gunnar Maldonado, that might be even a
Speaker 14: better idea, simply for the fact that all three of
Speaker 14: them having these knee injuries are probably going to be
Speaker 14: unavailable in the spring and maybe limited even in the
Speaker 14: preseason camp.
Speaker 13: And if you have coaches.
Speaker 14: That are familiar with your game, not just from seeing
Speaker 14: it on film that maybe you can work well into
Speaker 14: their system while still trying to rehab, whereas if you're
Speaker 14: going to a brand new school, they're taking a big
Speaker 14: risk on you because they don't know when you're going
Speaker 14: to be healthy and if you can actually fit. It's
Speaker 14: also a big reason why coming back to Arizona with
Speaker 14: the advitageous for such kind of players, because these coaches
Speaker 14: already know what they can do, so it wouldn't surprise
Speaker 14: me in one bit. In fact, even one of Arizona's
Speaker 14: top transfer targets, a safety from NAU.
Speaker 13: He signed with Washington, So you know, it's just like
Speaker 13: when Jay Johnson left Arizona for LSU and baseball.
Speaker 14: And he brought some players along, and then he still
Speaker 14: he grabbed a transfer away from Arizona a year after
Speaker 14: that as well as.
Speaker 4: Some of the signees.
Speaker 14: There's a familiarity and you're going to go with players
Speaker 14: who already know something about especially in this quick process
Speaker 14: of the portal of trying to grab guys without having
Speaker 14: much time to evaluate.
Speaker 2: So you talked about eight of them, so I'm assuming
Speaker 2: that all a will lend somewhere good like the TENNESSEEO
Speaker 2: Washington or someone above. I think, did someone go where
Speaker 2: does Speed? Did you already commit?
Speaker 13: Speedy has not committed, and he's been.
Speaker 14: Visiting UCLA and I believe Fresno and Miami of Ohio
Speaker 14: and maybe one other school is interested in him. Speedy
Speaker 14: is It was one of those weird ones that they
Speaker 14: could never really find a good spot for him of
Speaker 14: what would work well in both JED system and then
Speaker 14: this last system because he's not a typical running back,
Speaker 14: because he's very small, and he's not a typical receiver.
Speaker 14: He's kind of that hybrid type thing, and you need
Speaker 14: to find a spot for him. So it made sense
Speaker 14: for him to look elsewhere because he's given two different
Speaker 14: coaching staff t and it really couldn't find something for him.
Speaker 14: I would expect most of the guys who had started
Speaker 14: or were notable contributors to Arizona, if they're moving on,
Speaker 14: they're going somewhere where it's not so much that they're
Speaker 14: going to play more, but that somebody is going to
Speaker 14: provide them either with the money they're looking for or
Speaker 14: the chance to compete for a title that they're looking for.
Speaker 14: I don't see any of them going down a step.
Speaker 4: In any ways.
Speaker 13: That's the guys that.
Speaker 4: Really haven't played very much.
Speaker 14: Like the first guy to commit was an offensive lineman
Speaker 14: named JT Hand who has been here three or four
Speaker 14: years and has hardly played. He went to Oregon State.
Speaker 14: That's a good fit for him. It's actually it's Kyle
Speaker 14: Devan as the offensive line coach there. Who was the
Speaker 14: guy who recruited him to Arizona when on the Kevin
Speaker 14: Sulmom staff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think his dad played at the U
Speaker 3: of A. Right, Who was it, Brian Hand? It played for.
Speaker 14: Yeah, which is what got him to Arizona, but it
Speaker 14: never really worked out for him, and you have that familiarity.
Speaker 4: The other guy that is it was Demetrius.
Speaker 13: Freney, the cornerback that they had gotten.
Speaker 14: At the junior college who had started his career at Miami.
Speaker 14: He's now up at Boise State. What he's going to
Speaker 14: do up there?
Speaker 13: Who knows.
Speaker 14: I mean that looks big because Boise is in the playoffs.
Speaker 14: But Boise also doesn't recruit at the same kind of
Speaker 14: level as let all the other teams that are in
Speaker 14: the playoffs, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, what's it going to be like for Brent
Speaker 3: and his coaches now? Because number one school is ending
Speaker 3: like this week, So the players are going to scatter,
Speaker 3: They're not going to be hanging around, you know, the
Speaker 3: football facility or anything like that. If they are thinking
Speaker 3: of staying. What do you think the holiday break is
Speaker 3: going to be for these coaches? You know, just maybe
Speaker 3: chasing down some of these guys to see if they
Speaker 3: would want to come back.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 14: I mean the portal as far as going into it
Speaker 14: is still there till the twenty eighth, so there is
Speaker 14: still that that possibility of once they're away from you
Speaker 14: and maybe someone who's gotten in their ear, you could
Speaker 14: see some last few guys dip in. But I imagine
Speaker 14: that the coaches are going to be They're gonna be
Speaker 14: sticking around and constantly. You know, they're going to be
Speaker 14: bringing in guys that they're looking at to try to add,
Speaker 14: and you have to kind of recruit over these guys.
Speaker 14: You can't sit and wait to see if they'll come back,
Speaker 14: because I think for some of them it's it's really
Speaker 14: a matter of will they get a better offer than
Speaker 14: what Arizona gave them. It's not I don't see it
Speaker 14: as some people think that all these guys jumped in
Speaker 14: because they can't stand the coaching staff and all of that.
Speaker 14: I don't see it that way as much as you know.
Speaker 14: This is for most of them, they've got one year left,
Speaker 14: and it's like, maybe I got to see what else
Speaker 14: is out there because most of those guys, with the exception.
Speaker 4: Maybe to Carrio Davis, are probably.
Speaker 13: Not NFL players, So this is their.
Speaker 14: Last chance to get some sort of value out of
Speaker 14: their playing. So but I think they're going to stay
Speaker 14: in constant contact with them. I mean, Duyna Kina, I'm
Speaker 14: sure is in constant contact with a lot of these defensive.
Speaker 4: Acts, and.
Speaker 14: I really wouldn't be surprised to see two or three
Speaker 14: of them come back.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's switch gears to basketball. Now, more pressing issues. Right,
Speaker 2: Is this the last chance to get it right? They
Speaker 2: got two games that don't belong to the Big twelve,
Speaker 2: so at least the are two games to at least
Speaker 2: get better.
Speaker 13: Yes, And I mean this first one tonight against Sanford
Speaker 13: is not the.
Speaker 14: Kind of walkover that you either the get right game.
Speaker 14: Sanford's got this frenetic pressing style constantly. They call it
Speaker 14: Bucky Ball. It almost beat Kansas last year in the tournaments,
Speaker 14: and it's big on playing fast and forcing turnovers, and
Speaker 14: the turnover part could be very damaging for Arizona. I
Speaker 14: think the difference is compared to UCLA is that is,
Speaker 14: forcing turnovers in an eighty possession game instead of forty
Speaker 14: turnovers in a sixty possession game, to where then Samford
Speaker 14: is the kind of team where if they don't get
Speaker 14: the turnover, they're probably giving up the basket. Arizona had
Speaker 14: plenty of struggles in the half court as well, so
Speaker 14: there's there's opportunities in this game and then Saturday against
Speaker 14: Central Michigan to pinker and figure things out a little
Speaker 14: bit more before it starts to get really real. I mean,
Speaker 14: nobody expected this team to be four and five at
Speaker 14: this point. But I also think that they they haven't
Speaker 14: lost any bad teams, they just haven't been able to
Speaker 14: beat the good ones.
Speaker 3: That's true, all those turnovers with UCLA the other day.
Speaker 3: I mean, if they can fix that problem, you know,
Speaker 3: things will probably go better tonight. As you mentioned, Stamford
Speaker 3: did have some pretty good success in the postseason last year,
Speaker 3: so they're not maybe your typical maybe they're just your
Speaker 3: typical mid major. Some every once in a while they'll
Speaker 3: rise up, and you know, give somebody a hard time.
Speaker 3: Do you think that could happen tonight?
Speaker 4: It's entirely possible.
Speaker 14: I mean, it really comes down to just how much
Speaker 14: that they get frustrated by the turnovers. They're going to
Speaker 14: have a lot of turnovers. That's just the nature of
Speaker 14: this kind of game. It could be another twenty turnover game.
Speaker 14: But in an eighty possession game, that's a big difference
Speaker 14: than in a sixty five possession game. If they're scoring
Speaker 14: on two thirds of the time that they don't turn
Speaker 14: the ball over, they're still going to score a lot.
Speaker 14: And as long as their defense when turnovers don't happen
Speaker 14: is strong, you know, when they're playing after a made basket,
Speaker 14: they should be fine in this. You know, the whole
Speaker 14: team that just it's felt like something has been off
Speaker 14: in all of these games, but there's also been good stretches.
Speaker 14: They were up by thirteen midway through the second half
Speaker 14: against a very good UCLA team, so like this isn't
Speaker 14: haven't been a situation where even the Wisconsin game where
Speaker 14: they were down a lot and then they came back
Speaker 14: and tied it in the second half. I don't think
Speaker 14: they've been completely just like blown out of the water
Speaker 14: or completely outmatched. It's if there have been a handful
Speaker 14: of things that have have If they've gone the other way,
Speaker 14: they'd be sitting here at maybe seven and two.
Speaker 2: So you asked a couple of pretty good questions to
Speaker 2: Tommy this week. I know the first one I wanted
Speaker 2: to ask. You asked him about the free flowing or
Speaker 2: more more, more leeway or what sing.
Speaker 14: His use of the word freedom and that he gives
Speaker 14: his players freedom in this offense, And I just wondered.
Speaker 2: Well, wait, wait, I thought it was a great question
Speaker 2: because we know how he coaches, but his answer was
Speaker 2: just as good.
Speaker 3: What did you think?
Speaker 14: Yeah, what he said essentially was it may look like
Speaker 14: it's free landing, but it's a matter of there there's
Speaker 14: a certain level of randomness that it appears that way,
Speaker 14: but there is still structure and concepts. I was asking
Speaker 14: more just because I wonder if there have been times
Speaker 14: where the message has been, you know, go out and
Speaker 14: do your thing, but then if your thing isn't working,
Speaker 14: step back more into a system. And I guess their
Speaker 14: system it had like it to us, it looks like
Speaker 14: it's very broad and open. But what Tommy is saying
Speaker 14: is that there is still particulars to it. It's made
Speaker 14: to look random so that it's hard to predict. But
Speaker 14: I was just wondering because a game like Ucla, most
Speaker 14: of UCLA's steals were just straight up taking the ball
Speaker 14: out of Arizona player's hands. It wasn't intercepting passes, it
Speaker 14: was grabbing the ball. And I wonder if they were
Speaker 14: playing right into UCLA's hands in that respect. For a
Speaker 14: while they were drawing a lot of fouls because they
Speaker 14: know that reach ins can lead to fouls, and so
Speaker 14: that they were dribbling directly at UCLA players instead of
Speaker 14: trying to pass around them. And I just I had
Speaker 14: wondered if would it have made more sense to try
Speaker 14: to go away from what Ucla was baiting them into.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it was a bizarre game, how they played it,
Speaker 2: how they reacted to it, all that. But you know
Speaker 2: just as well as me, Brian, that the Arizona since
Speaker 2: you were in school has not played well in the
Speaker 2: half court under any coach.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. Yeah.
Speaker 14: This has never been a walk it up, pass it
Speaker 14: around and you know, take a good shot with five
Speaker 14: seconds left in the shot clock. It's a it's they
Speaker 14: are forced to into that shot clock. They better try
Speaker 14: to get a good shot in the first ten to
Speaker 14: fifteen seconds because the later it gets into it, it
Speaker 14: becomes a little bit more of a panicking. And I mean,
Speaker 14: I don't know how you practice. I don't know how
Speaker 14: they practice exactly the half court because you're doing it
Speaker 14: against yes walk ons, So I don't know how you
Speaker 14: properly ever prepare for it.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's spot on, because that's exactly it. They
Speaker 2: don't practice this very often because they'll they've never had to.
Speaker 2: They transition moved by defense, and that's the other thing
Speaker 2: because invariably, if you play strong defense, you can create
Speaker 2: the turnover and go in transition. They did that for
Speaker 2: the for the final minutes of the first half, and
Speaker 2: then the second half they they look like Arizona all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, right, they looked very good and then
Speaker 2: they stopped.
Speaker 3: It says, what the hell just happened?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean you have to give credit to the
Speaker 14: opponent as well, Like UCLA figured out, okay, we need.
Speaker 13: To change some stuff, and Arizona was still.
Speaker 14: Just doing what they had been doing before, especially on offense.
Speaker 14: But what led to Arizona taking the lead and building.
Speaker 13: The lead was offense off of defense, and once they stopped.
Speaker 14: Having that, they failed in the ability to do it
Speaker 14: to create for themselves.
Speaker 3: And no crevious. Still we don't know anything more about
Speaker 3: his injury.
Speaker 14: I would be surprised if he comes back anytime soon,
Speaker 14: and I'd say there's a non zero chance he might
Speaker 14: not play again this year. When you've got big men
Speaker 14: with foot injuries, I mean, that's that's just a super
Speaker 14: scary thing.
Speaker 4: And the fact that.
Speaker 14: They dressed Emmanuel Stephan the freshman who hasn't played, and
Speaker 14: Tommy pretty much said yeah, he's going to get in
Speaker 14: there now when they were looking to red shirt him.
Speaker 14: You don't do that if you think he's coming back
Speaker 14: in a couple of weeks, because you don't waste this
Speaker 14: guy's red shirt for the possibility of a couple of
Speaker 14: minutes in a couple of games. I'd be very surprised
Speaker 14: if if he's back within the next month.
Speaker 3: Well here's here's another thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he was injured before the season started, right
Speaker 2: he limited, he came back, and how long did.
Speaker 3: It take him to get to this point? So even
Speaker 3: if he came back.
Speaker 2: He'd have to kind of re reacclimate himself into the system,
Speaker 2: and who knows that could happen about even if it's
Speaker 2: late February, what would be the point.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, it's I.
Speaker 13: Mean just it would be a minute's usage kind.
Speaker 14: Of thing and trying to keep the other big men fresh.
Speaker 14: And I mean it sounds like it's some sort of
Speaker 14: like a stress reaction fracture type situation because of the
Speaker 14: fact that he was out for a while and then
Speaker 14: he's come back and then it's it's resumed.
Speaker 13: In that respect.
Speaker 4: So I just it's it's a it's.
Speaker 14: A dangerous thing and and what value are you going.
Speaker 13: To get back out of that guy if if all it.
Speaker 4: Is is something that you need to wait on.
Speaker 3: And again you think about the way Arizona plays offense,
Speaker 3: how important that position has always been. And you know
Speaker 3: he's sort of kind of coming into his own a
Speaker 3: little bit here in the last you know few games
Speaker 3: that uh, you know, you lose that and now who
Speaker 3: do you have you have you know going outside it
Speaker 3: with with Henry and Awaka. You know doing what he
Speaker 3: can do is not the biggest guy in the world either.
Speaker 13: Sure these are these are looked best against U. C.
Speaker 13: L A.
Speaker 14: When he was doing a little bit of that high
Speaker 14: low It was. It was the choice to take those
Speaker 14: three pointers outside. There's a reason that you're not guarded.
Speaker 4: They're going to leave you open until you can show.
Speaker 13: You run them, and that was Those were just some.
Speaker 4: Very ill advised shots and all that.
Speaker 13: And you know, Awaka has shown he doesn't really have.
Speaker 14: The high low ability. He's more of the grab the
Speaker 14: miss and kind of the bruiser type thing rather than
Speaker 14: the finesse that you know some past bigs have had
Speaker 14: here at Arizona, which Vsar kind of fits more into.
Speaker 14: I think Crevas had the ability to be potentially to
Speaker 14: be both, he just hasn't shown it yet. You know,
Speaker 14: another thing I had asked Tommy yesterday was this leaves
Speaker 14: them assuming that Crevis doesn't come back or is not
Speaker 14: available for a while, with ten scholarship players, one of
Speaker 14: which hasn't played. When you had the ability to have thirteen,
Speaker 14: they made the decision to not use all thirteen scholarship
Speaker 14: players because they felt the ten that they were going
Speaker 14: to use was plenty, and that beyond that you weren't
Speaker 14: going to be seeing much time for these guys.
Speaker 4: Stephan was supposed to red shirt.
Speaker 14: But now you with it being limited, I've wondered if
Speaker 14: is there even a way to add a player, Like
Speaker 14: do do they know of some guy in Europe who
Speaker 14: wants to come over at mid season?
Speaker 4: That is a big I mean, it's not like there'd
Speaker 4: be anybody. Anybody who's still in.
Speaker 13: The transfer portal is probably.
Speaker 3: Not any good. Yeah, remember he was good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 14: But the thing is is, you know, and and considering
Speaker 14: that Tommy and his staff they've got those connections overseas,
Speaker 14: it wouldn't surprise me for them to at least put
Speaker 14: some feelers out to see if they could get somebody
Speaker 14: over and work them in. You know, these these aren't
Speaker 14: the days of like when James A. Kinjo came to Arizona.
Speaker 14: He came at midyear, but you still had to sit
Speaker 14: out a year. And I think that players who went
Speaker 14: who left their teams before this season, like in the
Speaker 14: summer or whatnot, since there wasn't a portal unless they
Speaker 14: are a grad transfer, I think they aren't eligible again
Speaker 14: until the next year. Because I believe there was like,
Speaker 14: you know, some well known guy at Memphis who left
Speaker 14: the team like two weeks before season. I don't think
Speaker 14: he would be eligible to play anywhere until next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, last question, real quick, Brian, I know the
Speaker 2: questions being asked here. December eighteenth or so. They're going
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs the tournament.
Speaker 14: If they win eleven games in the conference, which is
Speaker 14: what Ken Palm projects, and win one or two in
Speaker 14: the tournament. I can see them getting in with fourteen
Speaker 14: losses just because of the overall strength of the schedule.
Speaker 14: But I'm gonna hold off judgment until I see them
Speaker 14: either lose to a team they're supposed to beat or
Speaker 14: beat a team they're supposed to lose to based on projections,
Speaker 14: which would happen.
Speaker 4: In maybe by mid January.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'll hold that thought until mid January. Yes, okay, thanks.
Speaker 14: Yes, thanks like their Yeah, their first road trip is Cincinnati,
Speaker 14: which is rated higher than them and West Virginia. If
Speaker 14: they win one of those games, I think they are
Speaker 14: in good position to show they can get into the tournament.
Speaker 14: If they lose those and then come home and lose
Speaker 14: to like a UCS, well then yeah there's trouble.
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I the Ball Here old Fox
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Speaker 2: am It's good to tect to Brian A lot of
Speaker 2: the same philosophies I.
Speaker 13: Have an improbably three those A lot of stuff.
Speaker 4: In cener.
Speaker 3: Rocking out there. No, I do. He's got a lot
Speaker 3: of good insight, and I think it's interesting. Just I'm
Speaker 3: always curious, how when you see a list of like
Speaker 3: thirty players that are leaving, how is the U of
Speaker 3: a football coaching staff feeling about that right now? Like,
Speaker 3: are they optimistical we can get maybe ten of them
Speaker 3: to come back, or oh we have ten in mind
Speaker 3: to replace them. So there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: game playing and negotiating I'm sure going on over the
Speaker 3: next month or so, and you know, maybe the UF
Speaker 3: able to get a nice Christmas present at the end
Speaker 3: of it all and have a good class coming back.
Speaker 2: I would I wouldn't ask I should have asked him this,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if he would give me the
Speaker 2: right answer because he may not know. Okay, so you
Speaker 2: have thirty guys and in typical recruiting classes you get
Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty five, right, you get him in
Speaker 2: and not all of them are are this level or
Speaker 2: good enough? Right, So you have you know, twenty five,
Speaker 2: maybe ten, twelve fifteen of them are good enough to
Speaker 2: play here. That means you nine of them you missed
Speaker 2: out and they just not good enough. Okay, So the
Speaker 2: thirty he said eight eight were pretty good and obviously
Speaker 2: one one would stay. So that's twenty two. So all
Speaker 2: those twenty two, there's probably another ten that they would
Speaker 2: probably say, if you so inclined, come back, and the
Speaker 2: other ones it was good to see you, but you're
Speaker 2: probably not good enough to play here.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of organizing it has to go on.
Speaker 3: You know, they have that kind of a football general manager.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are slotting players in different positions like priority, Okay,
Speaker 3: we do need you know, hey we just lost you know,
Speaker 3: four defensive backs. I think they're probably gonna be in
Speaker 3: the market for some defensive backs here in the next
Speaker 3: month or so wherever they can get them, whether it's
Speaker 3: maybe a couple to come back, maybe they got to
Speaker 3: just look for the others to transfer in. So, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a big game. It's a game of just moving
Speaker 3: parts and sure, moving chess pieces around.
Speaker 2: Sure, and there are very few maybe coaches that have
Speaker 2: been able to pull it off the issue did it
Speaker 2: Jillingham Billingham Indiana did it. There's also coaches that I
Speaker 2: guess the players must play hard for because you know
Speaker 2: the Indiana coach, he's a pretty good coach. You can
Speaker 2: tell he's very stern, very you know, you better listen
Speaker 2: to what I tell you. Dyllian Ham's more of a
Speaker 2: he's not that guy. Maybe he is off the field
Speaker 2: or whatever. But but they played hard for him. No, no,
Speaker 2: damn other way they put. He's a young guy. Uh,
Speaker 2: he played hard for that. They played hard for him,
Speaker 2: and look what he did. But they're in fact. As
Speaker 2: you talk, I'm gonna look this thing up. Uh my
Speaker 2: Cala Comic, the guy we had last year last week,
Speaker 2: great basketball and we're very impressed my uh Evan Mike Cowell.
Speaker 3: Yeh, so he did he did the thing.
Speaker 2: Uh A thing I haven't really looked at it where
Speaker 2: the teams that got more transfers aren't doing very well,
Speaker 2: really aren't doing very well because it's new. Everything's new, right,
Speaker 2: and Arizona's kind of one in that group. The team
Speaker 2: that's done the best is Kentucky.
Speaker 3: Interesting, well, they're they're used to it. Though.
Speaker 2: It goes back to this, and everyone knows who've been
Speaker 2: listening to on the show Coaching Matters. To me, Cali
Speaker 2: Party is the most overrated college basketball coach in the
Speaker 2: country just because he brings into talent. But if you
Speaker 2: have talent, what's the point, right, he can't coach him.
Speaker 2: He's and he's won. He should have won more than
Speaker 2: just one national title, right, and he had Anthony Davis, right, Well,
Speaker 2: that's when he won it. And he's had a ton
Speaker 2: of talents, so many nbas So and coach k too.
Speaker 2: To the truth, not that he's not a bad coach,
Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying, Yeah, talent doesn't always
Speaker 2: win the day.
Speaker 3: He spread out pretty good in college basketball, though, there's
Speaker 3: just there's always going to be somebody sneaks in. There's
Speaker 3: always going to be like maybe twenty teams when the
Speaker 3: tournament begins, like, oh yeah, any one of these teams
Speaker 3: is probably gonna win this thing. But we are in
Speaker 3: that day and age now where the transfers are coming
Speaker 3: and going and there's not a whole lot of continuity
Speaker 3: from season to season anymore. Right, you know, look at
Speaker 3: look at the Arizona in both basketball and football, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's gonna be the same way in baseball
Speaker 3: as well, sure, sure, they're constantly you know, you know,
Speaker 3: just messing around with the rosters.
Speaker 2: So here's the list of the season performance for teams
Speaker 2: with flipped rosters, and who's the best, who's been playing
Speaker 2: the best Kentucky, Louisville, USC and Louisville and you coaches
Speaker 2: all three of new coaches West Virginia, new coach De Paul, California, Vandy, Arkansas.
Speaker 2: That's with Calipari Illinois. And this is all changeovers, right,
Speaker 2: A lot of them have first year of coaches or
Speaker 2: all these because they had to the coach had to
Speaker 2: get there, they had to change the roster because they
Speaker 2: didn't know what they had bring in their own players, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 2: issues like number eighteen nineteen and there.
Speaker 3: They've done well relative that well we thought they would. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they usually don't play anybody that's the problem.
Speaker 2: No, but they but they have. They've done Patty well,
Speaker 2: they have the kid that should have come here but
Speaker 2: didn't because because love came back. So you know, and
Speaker 2: there was almost kind of in that in that boat
Speaker 2: where see this season performance for teams with season performance
Speaker 2: with teams with continuity Marquette, Houston, Purdue.
Speaker 3: There was one it's not on that list either. No,
Speaker 3: they don't have much continuity. They you know, and you lose,
Speaker 3: you know, a starter like Creevous and your top player
Speaker 3: is not playing up to his custom level. You know,
Speaker 3: things that just hasn't worked out here for ten games.
Speaker 3: Did I ask you this question?
Speaker 2: Because I know I asked a few people, and I
Speaker 2: asked Tommy this on Saturday, and I wrote you you
Speaker 2: read by column. I think you liked it. I thinks so,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you must have read it. You
Speaker 2: liked it, you read it. So my question to Tommy was,
Speaker 2: as this team goes Creevous or as Caleb, as Caleb goes,
Speaker 2: and he kind of didn't pooh pooh it. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's kind of coincidental. Yeah, if not factual. Well, it's
Speaker 2: pretty obvious.
Speaker 3: You know what we saw last year just when Arizona
Speaker 3: played well, he was playing well. When he struggled, it
Speaker 3: was usually you didn't want to blame it all on him,
Speaker 3: but sometimes when he was, you know, firing up three
Speaker 3: for seventeen, the chances are they weren't going to win
Speaker 3: that game. So he's he's the barometer, he really is.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any way you can look around it,
Speaker 3: and you know, just with nine games into the season,
Speaker 3: you can just see that, hey, when he's playing, okay,
Speaker 3: things will probably work out well.
Speaker 2: Then then to me, not that this is you know,
Speaker 2: you have a you have a hole in the wall.
Speaker 2: You fix the hole because there could be other issues.
Speaker 2: But if he shows up, you know a lot of
Speaker 2: the games moving forward, the chances of winning are pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty good.
Speaker 2: But now if I'm Kansas and I'm Houston and I'm
Speaker 2: all these guys, what do we.
Speaker 3: Need to do stop love? One guy? To stop stop
Speaker 3: love and make sure they go in the half court? Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh for sure.
Speaker 2: And already if you were the coach day for the
Speaker 2: last thirty years and you played Arizona and you have talent,
Speaker 2: what do you do stop stop them from running?
Speaker 3: Usually the games that they would lose, they would they
Speaker 3: would usually not lose, you know, eighty nine eighty five,
Speaker 3: they'd lose sixty five sixty exactly like that, exactly. The
Speaker 3: game was just not played at their pace exactly. And
Speaker 3: when things just were not you know, the way Luke
Speaker 3: wanted to run it, or Sean or anybody. But when
Speaker 3: they would slow it down, they would have Sean played
Speaker 3: right into their hands because that's how he played, right.
Speaker 2: But lut if you if they kept under seventy, there's
Speaker 2: a good chance you're gonna win. Look, the first round
Speaker 2: losses losses were exactly that they slowed them down and
Speaker 2: made them played in half court. They didn't have the
Speaker 2: shooters like Slim or whomever to get them out of
Speaker 2: that mess.
Speaker 3: Well, even in the Pac ten some of their rare
Speaker 3: losses when they would have it would be like Oregon
Speaker 3: State or Washington State where they would just slow things
Speaker 3: down and it just didn't didn't go at the UFA's
Speaker 3: rate of speed. And so that would sometimes happen. And
Speaker 3: it was usually those kinds of teams, you know, Stanford
Speaker 3: like said, forget it, we're going one on one with
Speaker 3: you guys. Let's go, and you wind up with a
Speaker 3: you know, a ninety eight to ninety six final.
Speaker 2: Right, And that was that was more Montgomery's teams because
Speaker 2: he said, I have the guys to be able them
Speaker 2: exactly the anti Arizona guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, I think the coaches know they
Speaker 3: know what to do, and they know obviously they know
Speaker 3: that he's struggling. And then I'm sure we'll see even
Speaker 3: maybe something tonight. Let's see if they're gonna if they're
Speaker 3: gonna put more pressure on him and force someone else
Speaker 3: to make some shots.
Speaker 2: So the place bets eighteen and Brian. Brian talked about
Speaker 2: this and I said, well, Arizona's gonna you know, they
Speaker 2: like to run.
Speaker 3: They like to run. First thing.
Speaker 2: Arizona's gonna win because if they like to run, Aeron's
Speaker 2: gonna say, come right in, come in the spider to
Speaker 2: the fly, because this is what we do. If they
Speaker 2: were gonna say, well, they like to play half court,
Speaker 2: they slow it down, and I said that could be
Speaker 2: a little tough game. But because they like to run,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. I don't even know their roster at all.
Speaker 3: But they're pretty good. You think they have the talent
Speaker 3: to slow it down and stick with you. Again, that's
Speaker 3: not what they do.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: No, you know, Dave, if you eat breakfast at eight
Speaker 2: o'clock every day, you guess what you can do tomorrow.
Speaker 2: You can eat breakfast eight o'clock tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Me.
Speaker 3: I don't eat breakfast. So if people scouted me, that's
Speaker 3: what you learn.
Speaker 2: If they are who they are, So if they want
Speaker 2: to run, I think the first one to eighty wins
Speaker 2: this it'll probably be Arizona, you know, eighty five to
Speaker 2: sixty eight or something like that.
Speaker 3: Who knows. Let's hope. Let's hope that they have at
Speaker 3: least a couple a couple w's before things get serious
Speaker 3: next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they'll be all right. But the thing
Speaker 2: is all they're back, they're back. Oh no, no, because
Speaker 2: you're not competing. You're not measuring yourself against these teams.
Speaker 2: You're measuring your tea, yourself against the Big Twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because if you can get get through or survive the
Speaker 2: Big Twelve, that means you could probably get through the tournament.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a shame because I remember when we
Speaker 3: were talking probably in September, before all this was going,
Speaker 3: and you know, all we were thinking about was the
Speaker 3: Big twelve. Oh, it's gonna be a challenge. And then
Speaker 3: look what happens here in the non conference games, like
Speaker 3: what is going on? And now I think could be
Speaker 3: you know what, they're four and five. Let's say they're
Speaker 3: six and five. I'm not gonna feel too confident going in.
Speaker 3: Well no, no.
Speaker 2: Even when I asked Brian the question, do you think
Speaker 2: they're gonna be in the tournament, and he gave you scenario.
Speaker 3: You kind of raise your eyebrow. Fourteen losses, that's what
Speaker 3: he was predicting.
Speaker 2: Seventeen and fourteen something like that, and two more. I
Speaker 2: mean then you're hoping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you're nit bound.
Speaker 2: Then your Sunday, your Sunday, you're thinking they going to
Speaker 2: get in. Yeah, they're and they're not going to stay
Speaker 2: in the West. Oh no, you know, let me ask
Speaker 2: you this. Okay, So they don't make the tournament, the
Speaker 2: get an invite to the n do they take that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They did it once, right, didn't they? And they know
Speaker 2: they lost, but that was I think his second or
Speaker 2: third year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was miserable. They didn't want to be there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they didn't.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to be there and they got beat
Speaker 2: at home. Yeah you remember, it's really embarrassing. I was
Speaker 2: still here. Yeah, so bad. We'll see. I don't think
Speaker 2: they take that to go to an I I don't think,
Speaker 2: so what do I know?
Speaker 3: We'll see. There's if there's money involved, that probably will
Speaker 3: Well that's true.
Speaker 2: Let's not put the horse before the cards or whatever
Speaker 2: that because it's still a long way to go. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and they can find the magic and and so could Caleb.
Speaker 2: But they need him, They need him desperately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if he just can get going, it's going
Speaker 3: to open it up for so many other players because
Speaker 3: the other's probably thinking, well, gosh, Caleb can't hit a shot.
Speaker 3: You know, that means I got to start shooting more.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: So if he can at least, you know, shoot fifty percent,
Speaker 3: well then comes in. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's what That's part of it too, because
Speaker 2: if he doesn't come in and do a job, like
Speaker 2: you say, more on kJ. But I think even against
Speaker 2: Husel it was like panicky. It was like near the
Speaker 2: end and you had kJ who threw up a shot
Speaker 2: and what kind of show was that?
Speaker 3: Right, Well, that whole last ten minutes the game was
Speaker 3: really hard to watch. And you were there, and I was.
Speaker 3: I was watching on TV and I'm sure most of
Speaker 3: Tucson was screaming other television as those guys are firing
Speaker 3: up three pointers, you know, ten seconds into the shot clock.
Speaker 3: I'm like coaching for my couch, like what do you
Speaker 3: what are you guys doing?
Speaker 2: In fact, I should have said this to Brian because
Speaker 2: you sat next to me at the game and there
Speaker 2: was a point in there, I think late late first half,
Speaker 2: maybe three or four minutes stuff. And I turned to
Speaker 2: him and I said this on Monday, I said, God,
Speaker 2: this lineup looks weird. It's just there's no one's going
Speaker 2: to score. Yeah, it was like Martinez and it was
Speaker 2: just like a haphazard group. And I think where the
Speaker 2: point's going to come from. It just doesn't look