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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, Tjwaves.

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Speaker 2: Well, we get ready for a weekend that has not

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won but two very intriguing Maine event fights, one in

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Las Vegas, one Albuquerque.

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Speaker 1: New Mexico.

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Speaker 2: We are ready to preview it as part of what

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we do on the Big Fight Weekend preview podcast. I

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am the somewhat competent host TJ Reeves. We have got

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insider Dan Rayfield right here with us from Fight Freaks Unite,

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his substack and Big Fight Weekend dot com plenty to

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cover Canelo and Edgar Berlanga meeting with the media not once,

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but twice this week. We'll talk about that, some nostalgia

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and more Big Dan. How you feeling here as we

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head in towards the weekend. Good to be back with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good. We'll tell people we were just watching the

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Team USA and basketball game in that big comeback against Serbia.

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I want to go out in to the yard and

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start shooting hoops after watching that come.

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Speaker 2: All I know is Rayfield and I are trying to

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coordinate when we could do this. I said, can we

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do it earlier than we typically do it? Late on

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Thursday as we pulled the curtain back, and then I'm

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texting you like, I'm invested in this US game with Serbia,

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and I don't think it's Look, I realized we do boxing,

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but we're hoop fans. I don't think it's an over exaggeration.

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This would have been the biggest story of the Olympics

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if Serbia had knocked them out and denied them the

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gold medal opportunity. So what a great comeback. You'll see

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all one of my lights for the next day or two.

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Speaker 3: Wow, would have been the biggest story, maybe in terms

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of in the United States. But they wouldn't have carried like.

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Speaker 2: I don't but basketball is such a worldwide sport and

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they hate us and they want to see us lose

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in a lot of cases, and so they would have been.

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Speaker 3: Like you, it's like the way they won that game.

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It was the big dogs, Curry, Lebron, Duran embiid all

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the same I.

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Speaker 1: Feel with the basketball, the basketball break.

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Speaker 2: Now, you even said to me, you win early nineties

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reference on the Lebron big layup, because you said to

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me that reminded you of.

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Speaker 3: That was like the it wasn't quite eactly the same.

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But it reminded me a little bit of when Jordan

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switched hands in the in the finals, and you have

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Marv Albert losing his mind over that. I mean, look,

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I watched all those games in the nineties. It was

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a huge and being at that time.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we got the elem anymore.

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Speaker 2: Look, look, we don't have any gold medal Olympic US

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fighters to talk about for the boxing, so we got

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to live vicariously through the track and the swimming and

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the basketball and other sports.

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Speaker 3: Team USA in the Olympics has been such an absolute disappointment.

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I know we're getting off the track here, but just

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in the state. First of all, we only qualified as

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a country four men and four women, right, and in

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terms of the men's competition, which is what I pay

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a little more attention to, obviously, one bronze kind of week.

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Speaker 2: Wait, I was gonna say, we have anybody fight even

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for the gold medal.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think we have here.

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Speaker 3: As the bottom line, that's it has now been TJ

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twenty years since the United States had a man when

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a gold medal in boxing, you have to go back

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to Athens two thousand and four when Andre Ward collected

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a gold medal in that Olympic Games. Now, he obviously

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went on to have a great pro career as a

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Hall of Famer. Right, We've had plenty of guys that

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have won medals and gone on to have excellent professional careers.

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But you know, the United States used to be synonymous

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with the Olympic gold medal.

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Speaker 1: Yes, very true, even in.

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Speaker 3: Even in like okay, obviously eighty four, which was a

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huge year for the United States, but also there was

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no Russians or Cubans because of the boycotts. But even

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even with full complements of competitors seventy six Olympics, even

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if you look at times when they didn't win golds,

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like take nineteen ninety six, where they got a bunch

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of medals but no gold, you had guys like Mayweather

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come out of that games and been Fernando Vargas and

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lots of other guys.

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Speaker 1: Harbor also Harbor, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously Oscar won a gold medal in a

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team that also included fighters like Vernon Forrest and Chris Byrd.

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that with the guys we have coming through these days.

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of medals, but you know, it's just been the amateur

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system in this country. As much as we think about

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the issues that are in professional boxing, amateur boxing, at

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least in the United States is absolutely broken. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the proof of it is we used to have

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repeated gold medalist. We can't win a gold medal right

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now in men's boxing.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: All right, so some takes on some Olympic boxing right

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off the bat. Anyway, thank you for finding us, for

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all the takes we preview going into the weekend. We

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his fight. If you enjoy the interviews in the conversation,

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rate us and review us. With that said, Ortiz's main event,

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the Golden Boys Show in Las Vegas, leads the show. Sir,

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Hey Bolachuk is the interim WBC Junior Middleweight champ. Again,

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you talk to Virgil recently and we played that interview.

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Let's begin right there. How excited are we for his

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return and a chance to win an interim air quotes

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junior middleweight title thoughts here Dan to begin the show.

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Speaker 3: Well, in terms of this fight, it's really not so

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much about the belt, which is, you know, it's cool

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if you're the fighter and they get a chance to

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win it, you know, it will improve their situation in

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terms of going forward to get an actual title shot.

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In matter of fact, Virgil Ortiz even spoke about that

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on the podcast interview that your reference where you know,

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he's okay winning the interim belt, but he wants the

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real belt and he knows this is a way to

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sort of get in position to do that. But in

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terms of the fight itself, Delta side, this is just

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a really good match. Now I know, Sarry Bochek is

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not the most known guy in the world, but he

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is a tremendous fighter who was a good amateur, has

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an excellent professional. He's twenty four and one twenty three knockouts.

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Check this out, by the way, Virgil Artis is twenty

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one and no with twenty one knockouts and Bochek is

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twenty four and one with twenty three knockouts. They've seen

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the final bell exactly once in their entire professional career combined,

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so they've had a lot of knockouts. And as you

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heard Virgil reference. Also if you listen to his interview

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that I had with him, he and Bochick know each

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other because they've sparred quite a bit in the past, right,

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and Virgil was really blunted about He's like, it's gonna

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be a freaking It's not gonna be a boxing MAT's

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gonna be a real war, like a real fight, because

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of the the memories that he has of being in

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the ring with him. They're not looking to dance around

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and box. I mean, don't. I don't think it's gonna

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be a first or second round knockout necessarily, even though

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these guys both are big punchers, but you know, it's

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gonna be a rough fight. I think they both seem

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to understand that listening and hearing what they've had to

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say leading up to it. Boachuk's a great story, by

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the way. I mean, here's a guy that was kind

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of buried on an under card. He was gonna be

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on the back, and you go back to March when

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Fandora and Zoo fought, that card got kind of rejiggered

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because of what happened with the main event having to

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be switched up. So in came he got an opportunity

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against Brian Mendoza to fight for the interim title on

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the undercard, and that was in a very exciting fight,

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but rather one sided in Balchuk's favor. So he comes

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in on late notice and he gets that victory and

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it sets him up now for this fight, which is

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by far and away the biggest of his career, and

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for Virginal Artis. You know, we've spent a lot of

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time talking about him. Unfortunately, a lot of the conversation

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about him has been why he isn't fighting because he's

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had injuries and the medical issues with the blood disorder

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and all that. But now look at Virginal artis he's

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like one of the most active bigger names in terms

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of the whole sport. Because this will be already here.

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We are only in August. He will be in his

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third fight so far, and if he wins and there's

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no injuries, you can guarantee that he will be back

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once again by the end of this year. So he

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came back in January and in April, and he fought

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you know, not big names, but lesser guys Frederick Lawson

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say neither fight made it out of

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the first round. It makes it yes in the ring

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a third time when you didn't hear the second bell right, but.

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Speaker 3: He didn't take any punishment. He got the you know

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whatever the russ was. Remember before the loss in fight,

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he had fought since August of twenty twenty two for

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a variety of postponements and cancelations. So now it's like

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Virgil's and the Groove, and he's got the two fights

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under the belt. He got the KO one in both fights.

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And now he's got Bocheck that ain't gonna be a

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KO one. I'm very confident in that, but just a

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very very good matchup between guys that made craft policing fight.

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So it's a worthy main event for his own Remember

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last week with Terrence Crawford and Israel Majimov. Originally Virgil

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Ortiz was supposed to fight Tim Zuo on that undercard

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for one of the inn I think the WBA Intern Belt,

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with his training because his the cut on his scalp

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from the March fight, his doctor Roldie was not ready

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to go, so that fight was bounced off the card.

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to replace tim Zuo with Serry Bochek, which seemed like

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a very reasonable replacement to me, but for whatever the

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reason was, the Saudi's and those involved in running that

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event decided they didn't want that fight. Okay, fine, so

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they made the fight anyway because Golden Boys got dates.

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And if you ask me, as much as I like

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a deep card, it does get to the point sometimes

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where it's a little bit overkill. You're trying to cover

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and watch all these fights in the same night and

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it becomes like blur. So now we get Virgil Artist Bullsheck,

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who get a chance to sort of have the limelight

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to themselves for you know, for much of this week

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and be the main event on their own card. So

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that's a good thing. So ultimately the fight will happen,

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and it's an important fight in a good way class

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with a lot of action going on, and the winner

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is going to be in a great position. And frankly,

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if the loser loses in a manner that is crowd

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pleasing and you know, and and competes in the fight.

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I see zero reason why the loser is going to

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have to take some massive backward step. Obviously, the loser

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is always going to take a backwards step, but it's

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not career killer or anything like that. These are two

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younger fighters still you know, in the earlier days if

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you will, of fighting at this level. I think this

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is a tremendous matchup. This has a real chance to

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be an outstanding fight in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: All Right, and again we'll get more into the implications

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with is Terrence Crawford going to now look to be

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undisputed at one point fifty four. We'll get into that

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of this, but certainly for the winner, and.

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Speaker 1: We suspected sorties.

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Speaker 2: Although Bulletchuck could give him a real test here, we

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all Virgil in the previous two fights. So this is,

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as you just illuminated, this is going to be a

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test we think here in this main event, and then

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what happens after that is a much bigger payday and

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much more noteworthy fight for the winner. All Right, the

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rest of the card, Charles coming, well, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Well, just real quick on Virgil. Even though the Saudis

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did not put the fight on the card with Crawford

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and Najamov, if you listen to what Turkey al Chik says,

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who obviously runs the show with the Saudi money, all

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they have every intention of working with Oscar going forward

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to try to do something with Virgil Ortiz, which could

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be a fight eventually with Terrence Crawford or some other

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notable fight in that weight class. But certainly if Crawford's

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going to stay at one hundred and fifty four, which

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I think he will, and we'll get into that a minute.

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Then the biggest fight probably in the weight class. If

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Virgil Ortiz is the winner and looks solid doing so,

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you gotta figure that's probably the most significant fight at

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one hundred and fifty four pounds because they'll be coming

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off this win. He's got the big punching power, and

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if you take a look at the other fighters in

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the weight class, you got Fondora, but he's on the

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shelf for the time being. He's got some other things

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going on. Martazlov who's got one of the titles. You know,

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that Tim Zoo fight would be a big deal also,

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but I still think that Virgil, because Tim is doing

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some other stuff anyway, in terms of his title situation,

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that it shapes up like the tremendous possibility.

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Speaker 2: Romel Charlo could even resurface. Maybe it's gonna take another

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calendar here, who knows. As I mentioned Charles Conwell, Hey,

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he's resurfaced. He is going to be in the co

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feature in the same junior middleway division. Tell me about

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this co feature fight with Kahari Gray. Tell me a

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little more about this.

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Speaker 3: Well. Conwell is undefeated. He was an Olympian back you know,

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you know a couple of cycles ago and has had

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starts and stops in his career. He finally got his

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promotional situation ironed out, you know, he was he was

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a free agent, but he was having all kinds of

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issues with promotion and management to all nine yards. I mean,

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it's kind of part for the course in boxing, unfortunately.

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So he had like a pretty lengthy layoff. He didn't fight,

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you know, all of twenty twenty three and didn't get

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back in the ring until April of this year, which

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is first fight he had when he signed with Golden Boy.

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He was on the undercard back when you had the

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big fight between Ryan Garcia and Devin Hainey. So he

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won that fight against a well traveled journeyman Nathaniel Gallimore

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and Carrie Gray is sort of another kind of fight

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like that, not a I mean, clearly Conwell should be

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a huge favorite. Gray is eighteen and six and stopped twice,

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you know, not at the world level like Conwell is.

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if Charles Conwell wins the fight, it's how he wins

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the fight. But he's certainly in position just below the

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guys we were just talking about to be in a

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title picture. He's very highly ranked by the WBC. He's

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already won one elimination fight in that organization, and so

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he is ready and ready to go. He's still only

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twenty six years old, so he's still very much got

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youth on his side in terms of where his pro

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career is. So I would suspect if he wins this fight,

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then sometime maybe later this year, certainly early next year,

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that he'll be a more significant fight against one of

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the bigger names in the division, be it possibly for

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a title, maybe for an elimination, you know, a final eliminator.

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But Charles Conwell is a quality guy in this weight

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class and this is just this is more of a

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showcase kind of fight, to be honest with you. But

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the main event is obviously good enough, so you know,

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this is the I'll call it the nominal co feature.

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It's not that big of a deal, but he's got

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to win. He's got to look decent in and move

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on to the next fight. But he's in a good

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position now, he's got a new promoter, they're on course,

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they've got other action that weight class, so let's get

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to it.

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Speaker 2: And he's got a name and if he looks good.

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As you said, it's a rich right now, what do

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we know one hundred and fifty four pound division with

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other matchups that could be out there for him. And

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you've also mentioned the name Kenneth Simms a couple of

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different times. He is a junior welterweight. He is on

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this card as well. Give me a little more on

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this for the Golden Boy Show Saturday night in Vegas.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of Kenne Sims. This is a

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guy that can box, he can brawl. He's a very

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very quality fighter. Had a big time amateur career. His

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problem has just been in activity, like a lot of

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fighters unfortunately. So he had been with PBC. You know,

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he fought two times in twenty twenty two, but not

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against big names. And in twenty twenty three he got

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an opportunity in a WBA eliminator against Akmandoff and it

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was it was a fight of the Year contender. It

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was a tremendous battle, I mean, a really outstanding fight.

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It kind of stole the show that night when that

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was the main event that night was a fight between

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Roly Romero and Ismael Barroso that we remember. Unfortunately for

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all the wrong reasons. But Roly Romero, whatever happened to

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that main event, it was Kenneth Sims and Achmandov that

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stole the show. In the COO feature. They put on

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a hell of a fight and Kenna Sims won a

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majority decision, a well deserved in my opinion. And now

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again he goes in active for the rest of the year.

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He was with PBC, and you know, they didn't have

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as many fights on their calendar as they would have liked,

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I am sure. So when he became a free agent,

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there was interest I think from different promoters, but he

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ultimately signed earlier in the year with Golden Boy and

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so this will be his first fight since he signed

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with them. They got themselves a very quality fighter in

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an excellent on hundred and forty pound way class. He

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can fight for a title as soon as they can

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line one up for him. He's not in with a

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big name opponent similar to the Conwell fight. He's in

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a fighter named higher Valtierra seventeen and three, Ben stopped

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once a Mexican fighter. Kenna Sims should be and is

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a massive favorite in this fight. This is sort of

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like I've got to get some of this rushed off.

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I haven't fought for a while. Let me get back

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in the ring. Let me get in the ring with

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a guy that I and you know, have a decent

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scrap with. But I'm a heavy favorite. And then again,

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like I said with Conwell, if he wins this fight Kennisims,

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I believe he will move on to a much more

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significant fight. One hundred and forty pounds is a very

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good weight class. You know, Golden Boy is willing to

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work with anybody. They'll make their fights for their guys.

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Kennis Sims is a really good fighter. I like them

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a lot, all right.

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Speaker 2: So again that is coming Saturday night in Las Vegas,

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and also on Saturday, while we're in the preview mode,

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the top rank card is in Albuquerque, New Mexico on ESPN.

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Why Albuquerque because Angelo Leo is from that area and

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Luis Alberto Lopez has had no problem in the past

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traveling and defending his IBF featherweight title in other places,

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even as kind of the enemy fighter. Here he is

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doing that again. Latest title defense for Lopez at one

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hundred and twenty six for the IBF crown. Give me

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some more on this. We know Leo from having lost

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to Steven Fulton. You mentioned that name earlier, but he's

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won some fights since then and built up another title

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shot here.

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Speaker 1: Dan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So in terms of Lopez, Vernado as his nickname

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is Venado, and so now all the press releases from

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Top Rank, they've stopped calling him Luis Alberto Lopez. Now

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they just call him Venado Lopez. So I'm still on

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the fence of what I think I'm going to do

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about that, and I think I'll still call him Louis

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Alberto Lopez. Anyway, in twenty twenty two, you talk about

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being the road warrior. He got the title shot as

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a mandatory against Josh Warrington. He traveled to Leeds, England,

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and he won the title. That's a hard place to fight.

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He won, and you know that he really was the

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worthy winner because he did win by a majority decision.

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So usually in those close calls and the other guy's

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hometown often will go the other way. So he clearly

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was the winner of that fight. He won the title,

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then they didn't give him any breaks, right, So this

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is going to be by the way he won that

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belt in that this will be his now fourth title defense.

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For his first title defense, he didn't get a homecoming.

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You didn't get a soft touch, you didn't get like

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a showcase fight. Now you know what you fight in

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Leeds and Josh Rington's hometown. We're gonna send your grass

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back on the road. You know where you get to go.

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You get to go to fight Michael Collin in Belfast,

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Northern Ireland. So he went there and by the way,

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he scored an absolutely spectacular knockout against Michael Colin to

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retain the title. And then he finally got a chance

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to come back and fight in the United State, fighting

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not in Mexico, but at least he fought in front

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of a very large Mexican Mexican American crowd in Corpus Christi, Texas.

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But he was fighting another Mexican fighter, Mexican American fighter,

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so he wasn't given any favors on that one. And

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he did score a rather handilingly decision victory against Joet Gonzales,

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who had fought for the title on a multiple occasions.

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Then he had the big knockout earlier in the year.

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This was back in March. He fought the Japanese mandatory

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Raya Abbe that was up in Turning Stone in Verona,

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New York on the undercart of that great fight between

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Coolmatov when he fought for the which I forget the

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opponent who he fight against the for the featherweight belt. Anyway,

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So now after a couple of fights where he's at

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least neutral turf, now he's going back. He's fight Angelo Leo,

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like you mentioned, they're going back to the road. So

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Angelo is he lives in Vegas, but he's from Albuquerque.

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He's twenty four to one with eleven and is a

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good matchup. This is a worthy fight if you were

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doing like unbiased featherweight rankings. I know Lopez has a belt,

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but he's arguably like depending on what your point of

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view is, he could be maybe the number one featherweight

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all the way to maybe down to like number three

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or four. So he's at the upper echelon of the

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featherweights and a guy like Angelo Leo at this point

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in his career is probably like seventh, eighth something like that.

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I think I saw him box Wreck he was eighth

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in the weight class something like that. You mentioned the

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Stephen Fulton fight that was in twenty twenty one. In

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January of that year he lost his title. He was

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the WBO title holder at one hundred and twenty two

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pounds and he lost the unanimous decision. It was pretty

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one sided as a matter of fact. But after that

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he has since won four fights in a row, including

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his last three at featherweight. He's been featured on some

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of the probox cards and he's done a good job.

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And they haven't been with like complete nobody's either. He's

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fought pretty solid guys. Aaron Almeida was a solid opponent,

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Nicholas Polanco solid opponent, Mike Plainey was a solid opponent,

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and the last fight at Ward Obias, who gave him

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then you'll never reet. They a tough fight and been

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with a lot of good guys. He won a ten

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round decision against him in April. So here's a guy

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that's been active. He's already had two fights this year.

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He's been fighting like reputable opposition, and now he's got

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a hometown chance to fight for the world title. So

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this is a good matchup. I think this again, it's

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it may not be as explosive in my mind as

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what we talked about with Virgil against Boachek, but I

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think this has a very good chance also be a

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good scrap man. This like it's it's it's neither one

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of these fights are like huge fights. But if you're

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a boxing fan, this is This is a weekend where

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there's not a lot going on. It's a dead a summer.

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Olympics are happening, and the undercards are nothing to speak

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of overall in my opinion. But in terms of the

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two main events that are being presented, one by Golden

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Boy on his own one by Top Rank on ESPN,

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the two main event fights are very worthwhile. Qual of

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the fights, I expect them to be competitive, and I

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expect them there to be some action in both of them.

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Speaker 2: And in the case of the hometown fighter, we know this,

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whatever he does, he'll get the crowd riled up. We'll

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see if Leo could take advantage. And one more time,

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00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,640
you said this, Leo fighting for the third time already

475
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,880
this year. And by my math, I know I went

476
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,279
to public school. Since Luis Alberto Lopez won the belt

477
00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:24,680
in December of twenty twenty two, this is now his

478
00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:28,039
fifth fight in twenty months. Let's hear it for activity,

479
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,119
for guys keeping themselves relevant and active and you know,

480
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,119
not having ring rust.

481
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 3: We like that. And by the way, this will be

482
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,319
Lopez's third fight, I'm sorry, second fight this year, and

483
00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:42,759
either a guy who wins, there's a very good likelihood

484
00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:45,000
that they could find themselves back in the ring again

485
00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:46,319
at the end of the year or at the very

486
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,240
least at the very early part of next year. So

487
00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:50,759
there won't be huge layoffs for these guys. It doesn't

488
00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:53,480
seem to me so. Albuquerque, by the way, has been

489
00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:55,839
a good fight town. Top Rank used to do fights

490
00:21:55,839 --> 00:21:58,000
are on a regular basis, even when they weren't featuring

491
00:21:58,039 --> 00:22:01,000
Albuquerque fighters. It's been something like fifteen years or so

492
00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:03,119
since they've been in Albuquerque. For this fight, it's taking

493
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,400
place at the Tingley Coliseum. They did a lot of

494
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,000
Johnny Tappia fights and Daniel Romero fights when they promoted

495
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,319
those guys, and they did a lot of fights in

496
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,839
Albuquerque back in the day when they were doing weekly

497
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,680
shows on their Spanish language networks that they worked with,

498
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:21,759
whether it was Univision, TeleFutura later at Unamas. And it's

499
00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:23,880
a great fight city, and it's good that they're getting,

500
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,799
you know, a good, good show. I think they'll have

501
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,720
probably a really good crowd there, you know, because it's

502
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,359
been a lack of fights, number one, and also because

503
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,880
the guy in the title fight in the main event

504
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:32,559
is a local guy.

505
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 2: I'm looking here just through his list, and it looks

506
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,799
like the last time that Leo fought in Albuquerque. Because

507
00:22:39,799 --> 00:22:42,279
you mentioned he is living and training in Las Vegas

508
00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:44,920
and has been for years, it looks like, going back

509
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,880
on box records, what twenty fifteen, So it's been a

510
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,000
while since he has fought a fight, if I have

511
00:22:50,079 --> 00:22:52,000
that right in Albuquerque. He's fought in a lot of

512
00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:56,079
other places, Las Vegas, a bunch, fought in Atlanta on

513
00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:01,440
an undercard, fought in the bubble at the in Connecticut.

514
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,640
But yeah, I think I do have that right. So

515
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,119
Albuquerque the last time he fought Leo, and Albuquerque's twenty fifteen,

516
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,160
So this is a bit of a homecoming. We'll see

517
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,880
what kind of fan support he gets and how big

518
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,400
a deal will be.

519
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: Again.

520
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 2: That's ESPN Saturday Night, Top Rank Main Event, IBF Featherweight Crown.

521
00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: Okay, to the news. When last you and I.

522
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:24,279
Speaker 2: Chatted, coming off the weekend, we had such high hopes

523
00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:27,799
for Terrence Crawford and Canelo Alvarez and now, oh, hold.

524
00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 3: On, hold on, I didn't really care about that.

525
00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:33,319
Speaker 2: I'm being facetious, sarcastic. Can't you tell it's dripping in

526
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,720
my tone? And lo and behold, Like three days later,

527
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,200
it's now apparently unraveled, everybody blaming everybody. Turkey's taken to

528
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,559
social media, Turkey Ala Sheikh and just basically blasting Canello,

529
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,079
saying I don't want this fight anymore, it doesn't interest

530
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:49,599
me anymore.

531
00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: I'll have Terrence Crawford fight other people.

532
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 2: Canello, at one of the press conferences this week also

533
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:57,319
ripped back and said I'm not going to be dictated

534
00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:02,160
to We've talked about that before, all right, So apparently

535
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,240
that's now not going to happen. While we start talking

536
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:06,920
Canelo and Berlanga. That's one of the overarching things right

537
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,480
now is that apparently, at least for now, there's not

538
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,559
going to be a Terrence Crawford Canelo fight, subject to change.

539
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 3: The best fight of this week has been Canelo versus Turkey.

540
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,759
Much more interesting than anything that went on between Canelo.

541
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: And Berlangas and the press conferences.

542
00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:24,759
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like it's like King Congress is Godzilla.

543
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:27,799
Speaker 2: I mean, by the way Terrence Crawford was on social

544
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:30,319
media earlier Thursday. Did you see this. I did not

545
00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:33,839
hear it in full. I just heard the clip. He said,

546
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:37,599
whatever we want to believe. He said, the offer is

547
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,319
one hundred and ten million dollars perce between he and Canelo,

548
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,839
and Canelo doesn't want to do the fight. I don't

549
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,039
know if you heard that. I heard that, but I

550
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:50,160
don't know where to believe on that one. And for

551
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,680
them to share or I think so, yes, one hundred

552
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,119
and ten million, that's a lot of bread, that's a

553
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,359
lot of dough, if that's to be believed.

554
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 3: Just just to me to hear about it. Canelo's perspective

555
00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:04,440
was the following. Now, remember on Monday, they launched a

556
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,279
press tour his fight with Berlanga. They went to New York,

557
00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:10,000
they went to LA and so that fight is on

558
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,559
his mind. That fight is coming up on September fourteenth,

559
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,480
and so he said. And I saw some of the

560
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:17,920
comments from Canelo. I listened to some of the you know,

561
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,480
he was in the media scrum and he was asked

562
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,599
about it. Basically said that on Saturday, I don't know

563
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:25,359
if it was Turkey directly or you know, Turkey's lieutenants

564
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,079
or whoever it was texted Canelo or got in touch

565
00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:30,319
with them and said they wanted to meet with him

566
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,440
in Los Angeles on Saturday, when I guess he was

567
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,960
going to be there to talk about doing a fight

568
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,960
with Crawford pending his victory against Madromov and do the

569
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,400
fight in February. That seemed to be what their plan was,

570
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,880
and Canelo's point of view is, look, I am training

571
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,920
and preparing for September fourteenth, so I don't care what

572
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,920
anybody thinks about Edgar Berlanga, but I'm focused on Edgar Berlanga.

573
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,160
I got a job to do, and if I screw

574
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,119
that up, I mean, I'm this one. He's probably thinking like,

575
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:01,640
if I don't win, there's no proper fight anyway. So

576
00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:05,240
that did not go over well apparently because they're used

577
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:09,160
to having everybody just, you know, drop everything, and when say,

578
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,599
you know, jump, ask how high. And that's not the

579
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,519
Canelo Alvarez. I know, he's a stubborn individual. That's one

580
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:16,319
of the things that makes him great because he just

581
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,519
does things his own way, and you know, it's a

582
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:22,680
it's a clash of personalities. I'm not suggesting that one

583
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:24,519
guy is right one guy is wrong, but I totally

584
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,880
understand from the perspective of Canelo, like, don't bother me

585
00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:32,079
about another fight when I'm fighting September fourteenth, If you

586
00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:34,839
will want to talk to me and my team afterwards,

587
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,680
you know, by all means, let's have the conversation. And

588
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,519
certainly if you're going to fight in February, there's plenty

589
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:40,839
of time between September and February to get a fight

590
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,640
deal done and work it out. So when that happened,

591
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,319
and and and Canelo pushed back and then spoke about

592
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:49,880
it publicly. You know, Turkey, as you mentioned, he did

593
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,559
his social media post and we're like, you know, I forget,

594
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:52,960
I don't want to fight. So that's kind of like

595
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,920
I looked at it, sort of like I quit. No,

596
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:58,119
you're fired, Like which is it? You know, like they

597
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,519
just they weren't going to agree to it.

598
00:26:59,519 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: You know.

599
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 3: Canel most perspective was, you know, I respect him, but

600
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,960
if we're gonna do something, we're gonna do it my way,

601
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,640
not your way. I don't like how he talks to me.

602
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,359
Turkey is not used to apparently being pushed back on

603
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,799
because so far, everybody involved in boxing anyway, the fighters

604
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,920
have have a clamored to be around him and to

605
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:18,759
be on the cards and get that money and get

606
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:21,119
that credit and do all the things to go into

607
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,480
you know, making those events. And Canelo has made more

608
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:27,200
money than any of them basically, so he doesn't you know, Yeah,

609
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,160
maybe he can make a huge amount of money against Cowford,

610
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,960
but at the stage of Canelo's current the guy's made

611
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,039
literally pride. I mean, I'm not gonna count his money,

612
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:37,960
but I would say conservatively he's made five hundred million dollars.

613
00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:41,799
Speaker 2: He's easily made three or four hundred million, no question.

614
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:43,839
What do we know, because I know from all the

615
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,880
reporting that you've done and others have done, basically on

616
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,240
this role that he's been on, he's been getting thirty

617
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,240
five forty million guaranteed over and over again. It's my understanding.

618
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,400
It's something similar here again in this in this PBC,

619
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,680
Like I remember those fights.

620
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: So he's one of the few boxers that also has

621
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:02,599
significant income outside the boxing ring. A lot of fighters

622
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:05,960
and other athletes, uh, they make money on on other deals,

623
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,640
and Canelo has got different product endorsements and this and that.

624
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,799
So he's making millions of dollars haveing nothing to do

625
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:13,799
with throwing a punch just on his personality and his

626
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,920
notoriety and his name. So if they're and I'm not

627
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,200
saying that he doesn't want more I mean, who doesn't

628
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,000
want more money? But among the boxers that the Saudis

629
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,240
have worked with, he's made more than any of them

630
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:30,720
except maybe Anthony Joshua, So he doesn't his perspectives, I

631
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,599
don't need your money. I mean I wouldn't mind having

632
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,920
some of it, and we can do a deal, but

633
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,119
or not, I'm not gonna.

634
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: He's not at the beginning of the of the take.

635
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:39,279
He's not going to be dictated to At this point.

636
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,799
He can go make thirty five or forty million fighting

637
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:44,519
somebody else. If and when he beats Berlanga, he'll fight

638
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:46,160
somebody else. They'll figure it out of it.

639
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: And that attitude, that attitude probably came as a surprise

640
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:54,000
to Turkey because so far in the in the you know,

641
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,359
six or eight months or ten months that he's been

642
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,400
involved heavily in making these bigger fights, most of the

643
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,680
fighters have been nothing but appreciative and want to be

644
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,519
on the shows and get the bigger pay days and

645
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,119
and and be on these big events. And so it

646
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,519
comes as surprising you have somebody like Canelo pushing back

647
00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:11,640
and being like, I don't, you know, talk to my people,

648
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,920
but I'm not doing it. You're right, we'll do it

649
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:16,119
by way. So you know, that's a clash of personalities,

650
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:20,200
a clash of styles. And I totally get Canelo's perspective

651
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,920
of I don't want to talk about my next fight

652
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:24,519
in terms of a business deal until I have the

653
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,240
fight that I've already signed for that I've got to

654
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:28,319
focus and concentrate on. You know, it's kind of like

655
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:32,000
a you know, you hear from like a football player

656
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:33,759
or a baseball player, like they don't want to talk

657
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,160
about a new contract, like when the season starts. You know,

658
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,039
you want to get the deal done before the season. Fine,

659
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,279
once the season starts. I got a concentrat on my season.

660
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: Same in boxing, and we were big college basketball people.

661
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,519
Back to the basketball. You're in the NCAA tournament. You

662
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:47,640
don't want to talk about somebody that you're potentially going

663
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,279
to meet in the final four. I got to play

664
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:50,640
the team that's in front of me. I don't want

665
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,000
to worry about who's two levels away in the final four.

666
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: But that made for that made for some very sort

667
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,839
of explosive rhetoric, if you will.

668
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: That's direc better, however, than the Canelo Berlanga, although the

669
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,880
Beverly Hills press or Berlanga got a little more animated. Yeah,

670
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,960
tried to play a little more heel in that one,

671
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:11,960
I guess.

672
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: So in terms of the press scurp like, I get

673
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,599
the fact that they have to play up the Puerto

674
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,200
Rico versus Mexico angle, because that's really the only thing

675
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,000
there is to play up in the fight, because we

676
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,839
know what Canelo has done and what his legacy is

677
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,799
and his accomplishments. And Edgar Berlanga has been a good

678
00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:33,440
young fighter for the last few years, but has kind

679
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,519
of regressed to some people and has no big wins

680
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:37,960
that you can hang your hat on, has never won

681
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,960
a title, has never fought a top level guy, and

682
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,960
you know, fair or unfair, I think most people look

683
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,720
at the matchum and think that Edgar Berlang is gonna

684
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,039
get absolutely wiped out by Canelo oas even though Canelo

685
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,680
it's been quite a while frankly since he's had a knockout,

686
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,039
but if there ever was a time where you could

687
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:54,759
see him get a knockout for the first time in

688
00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:56,640
a while. You know, you'd have to think Berlanga might

689
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,880
be that guy. But the point is they had to

690
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,119
go back and forth. So Berlanga started up with him

691
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:02,920
with the shirt off at the Beverly HOS press conference

692
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,720
and yap and and you know, the good thing about

693
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,519
Canelo is this Canelo is exactly the kind of guy

694
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,400
when he's promoting a fight. If you play nice with him,

695
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,359
he's not going to start up with you. He's gonna

696
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,640
be nice. Like remember with Mangia Mongi has never had

697
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,880
a bad word to say it about anybody that he's fought,

698
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,519
and so Canelo went along with that. It was like

699
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:19,960
a love fest. It was kind of boring in terms

700
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,799
of the promotion. Good fight turned out to be a

701
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:24,359
good fight in the ring, but a very sleep inducing,

702
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,960
very sleepy time, very yawny type of promotion. Uh. In

703
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,839
terms of Berlanga though, and anybody, if you start up

704
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,200
with Canelo, he'll give it right back. I mean, is

705
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,759
there anything more fun in boxing than Canelo cursing in English?

706
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,839
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that he hasn't learned that.

707
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: He haying to figure all that out.

708
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: So he's been giving it right back to uh to berlanga,

709
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:49,519
and that that's made it a little bit more interesting

710
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:51,640
and fun because, like I said, I they can only

711
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,960
hang on to the Mexico Puerto Rico thing for so long.

712
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,200
Number one. You know what, I'm big of a deal

713
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,880
if you're not Puerto Rican or Mexican first.

714
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:01,119
Speaker 2: Well, right, But you know what I'm laughing at is

715
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,319
our buddy Dan Canobio, and I love his work with

716
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,960
he and Chris Aljuri and they're they're with our friends at.

717
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:06,839
Speaker 1: PPV dot com.

718
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,279
Speaker 2: But Canobio was teaching Canelo a couple of swear words

719
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:11,880
on one of their interviews at one point, and he

720
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,160
also was going over slang like he was teaching Canelo

721
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,440
you're in his head, and Canello's looking at him like

722
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:20,039
what does that mean? And he's like, obside, what does

723
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,240
that mean? And he's like, no, you you are. You

724
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:26,039
are playing with him mentally, you're in his head. He goes, oh, yes,

725
00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:28,960
in his head, in his head. So I love that that,

726
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:30,839
you know, we're kind of educating him and how to

727
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:33,599
how to trash talk. But nonetheless, they got to sell

728
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,400
this a little bit.

729
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:35,359
Speaker 1: Uh.

730
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,599
Speaker 2: The the biggest part of it is going to be

731
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,599
uh like you said, is Canelo going to come out

732
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:43,759
with a devastating type performance that makes people clamor for okay,

733
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:46,119
what's the next big thing? Will it be A Benavitez

734
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,079
doesn't look like it. Will it be Crawford doesn't look

735
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:50,559
like it at the moment, but it could change. But

736
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:54,279
what is the next biggest thing? If Canelo's swats Edgar Berlanga,

737
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,480
well we'll find a.

738
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:57,279
Speaker 3: Very good question. I mean, now, Canelo is at a

739
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:59,799
point right now if he's not fighting David Benovite's at

740
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:01,400
this point and he's not going to go back to

741
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,119
light heavyweight, which would mean no Benevide's, no, no better

742
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,920
be of against the a BBO rematch, not a David Morrel.

743
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,440
So if you're sticking at super middleweight, he's basically already

744
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,240
beaten most of the guys. I mean, you know, is

745
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,759
there a CHRISTIANBILLI I mean sure, but that's not a

746
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:18,960
big name at all. Right, so again, that would be

747
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,960
a just stylistically, by the way, freaking great fight. And

748
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,000
we got to see what happens between Mombilly and Devon Schenko.

749
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:28,079
They fight coming up next week. But the thing about

750
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:30,759
it is he's been around now at super middleweight for

751
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:32,799
a while, and he's unified all the belts that he's

752
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:34,720
kind of running out of guys to fight. And the

753
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:38,400
thing that's also on a problem if you're looking for

754
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,079
Canelo opponents is normally you can look to the way

755
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,240
class below and see, Okay, who's ready to come up

756
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,799
to challenge you. Well, we've talked about it a thousand times.

757
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:48,319
The middleweight division is pretty weak, and so there's not

758
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,039
a guy sitting there in the middleweight division. They're like, oh,

759
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,400
you know, I really wish this guy would move up

760
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,640
to fight him. I mean, is anybody clamoring to see

761
00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:59,400
Canelo again? I'm not even saying these are bad fights,

762
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,759
but there's no public appeal. Is anybody care if Canella foss, say,

763
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,599
Carlos and Damas, who's the WBC champion, whint Away or

764
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,440
Janeback for that matter, who's got two of the belts

765
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,800
at middleweight, Who's you know, probably moving up because of

766
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,639
the weight issues? Who that knows? He says he's staying

767
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,039
at one sixty ARIZONI Lara's got the WBA title, he

768
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:17,400
already fought in years ago and beat him. I don't

769
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,400
think there's much attraction in that rematch, to be honest

770
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,559
with you, and Laura is fighting Danny Garcia on Canelo's

771
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,440
undercard comes September, so there's not a big name at

772
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,440
middleweight to go up. So not that I'm worried about

773
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,000
Canello's business. He'll always have, you know, his fans and

774
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:36,039
don't want to watch him fight. But in terms of

775
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,960
the mega fight, I think the only chance for a

776
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,000
mega fight for Canelo is to go to one seventy five,

777
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,599
or if Benevidez decides that he can do it and

778
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,400
come back to one sixty, which I'm skeptical of so especially.

779
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:51,039
Speaker 2: Right especially when Benevide's vacated the one sixty eight interim

780
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,159
title and apparently wants to stay at light heavyweight. All right,

781
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:58,119
So along those lines, they did officially announce the undercard

782
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:01,559
here and give me a little more. You talked on

783
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:04,119
the previous podcast that the Caleb Plant fight was likely

784
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,880
landing there with Trevor mccumby's cut healing up where they

785
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,199
couldn't fight in August, couldn't fight this month, but they'll

786
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,760
be able to fight in September, and what else here

787
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,039
has been rolled out on the undercard.

788
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,519
Speaker 3: Well, you got the main event, and when they announced

789
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:18,360
the main event, they also announced the fight I just mentioned,

790
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,239
which is Laura defending his WBA Midaway delt against Danny Garcia.

791
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:26,840
So that's the co feature, and then the other fights

792
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,199
that they announced for the rest of the pay per

793
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,000
view the Plant Trevor McCombe fight, which was never formally

794
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:33,159
announced for August, but it was told me by numerous

795
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:35,880
people involved with PBC that that was supposed to headline

796
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,360
their August seventeenth non pay per view card, but because

797
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,840
like you mentioned, because of the cut, McCombe was not

798
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,679
available to go on that date. For whatever reason, they

799
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:45,840
didn't want to get into opponent, so they moved this

800
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,599
fight rescheduled for this undercard. For whatever you think it's

801
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:51,920
worth our care, just from the factual point of view,

802
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,960
it is for the WBA's interim Super Middleway title. Entirely unnecessary,

803
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,280
but it is what it is. Then they also have

804
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,559
in the opening paper you fight Rolando Romero against Manuel Jimes,

805
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,280
a fight that is absolutely worthless in my opinion. I

806
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,559
said to a person that I'm friendly with from PBC,

807
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,519
you know you should give me the seventy nine to

808
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:11,320
ninety nine to make me watch Roly Romero on a

809
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,039
pay per view card, right, I mean.

810
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:17,039
Speaker 2: Just last I checked, he was being pummeled. I got

811
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:18,679
a by Isa Cruz.

812
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: I have no particular problem with kayleb planning against mcumbe.

813
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,320
I mean, whatever, is it the biggest fight ever? No,

814
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,760
McCombe has never fought anybody, but he's twenty eight, and

815
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,400
oh Caleb has always been a fighter. I've enjoyed watching

816
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,599
he's coming off of a layoff. I mean, I get

817
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:35,599
that it's not the co feature, but Romero against Himes

818
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:37,400
is just an I don't even get that. It's like,

819
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:39,400
why is the point? I mean, if you want to

820
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,599
make the fight fight, put it on the preliminaries, don't

821
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:43,400
put it on my pay per view and make it

822
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,559
part of my eighty dollars investment in your fight card.

823
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,639
So that to me, that's just a just a brutal mismatch.

824
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:50,239
I mean, I wouldn't say it's a mismatch because I

825
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,840
just don't think Romero's all that, and himis is unproven

826
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,920
and never really done anything. And the other fight that

827
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,119
they announced and this will be one of the free

828
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,519
fights on the preliminaries that they do on Prime Video

829
00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:01,840
that will take place prior to the actual pay per

830
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,840
view portion of the card. This will be the return

831
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,239
of Stephen Fulton, who was also supposed to fight on

832
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,360
the August seventeenth card, but when that was canceled, they

833
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,679
moved it to this event. So if you have Stephen Fulton,

834
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,280
who has been out of the ring since he lost

835
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:14,719
his two titles at one two to Noia in a

836
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,480
way by knockout, he's moving up to featherweight and he's

837
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,679
fighting Carlos Castro. This is actually not a bad fight

838
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:21,480
in my mind, I actually would have rather seen this

839
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:23,719
on the pay per view, but their perspective is whatever

840
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,639
you think about the matchup, Roller Romira is the bigger

841
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,039
name and I can't even argue with that. Unfortunately, Roller

842
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:29,760
Romera is the bigger name, but frankly, for all the

843
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,840
wrong reasons. Nonetheless, that's a free fight. They'll add a

844
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,280
couple others over the next couple of weeks to the

845
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,480
preliminary part of the card. That'll be on the free

846
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,960
part on Prime and so there's your pay per view.

847
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:46,239
I mean, let's be honest about it. TJ and I've

848
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,599
lauded the other pay per views that PBC has done

849
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,639
on Prime since they've made this deal. Fondora against even

850
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:54,280
with the late replacements, was a hect of a card

851
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,760
on paper. The Mongia card with Canelo was a good card.

852
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,760
The Frank Martin Tank Davis car that also had ben

853
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,559
a Vidia's on the card and some other good fights,

854
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,800
that was a good card. So I'm not a hater.

855
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,400
Everybody knows. I'm not a hater of PBC. They've done

856
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,840
a hell of a job with these fights, even if

857
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,800
they're all pay per view. But this pay per view,

858
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,760
being honest, it leaves a little bit too well desired.

859
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: All right, So let's go back to one other thing

860
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,880
and then we're gonna move on. We talked I even.

861
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,519
Speaker 3: Killing the main event. I mean, I get the reason

862
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:22,039
why he's fighting Berlinka. I'm okay with that.

863
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: Okay, But we talked at length last winter on where

864
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,760
are they gonna land with an outlet? And you have

865
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,920
said repeatedly, and I've agreed with you, where are they

866
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,679
going to regularly have fight cards that aren't pay per

867
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,679
views so that their fighters can be involved? And so

868
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,000
now with this cancelation in August, it seems to me,

869
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,960
it seems to me that they were probably gonna have

870
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,719
Fulton maybe fight on the August situation had it been announced,

871
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:53,480
and instead they've now waited. Along with the Caleb Plant fight,

872
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:56,480
they're just trying to get guys dates because they don't

873
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,440
have their act together with the regular non pay per

874
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,360
view cars on Amazon Prime.

875
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,679
Speaker 1: It still hasn't happened yet.

876
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,519
Speaker 3: The August card was supposed to be as I mentioned,

877
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:07,760
it was planned against McCombe and it was going to

878
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,840
be Fulton originally was supposed to fight Ronnie Rios.

879
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: That was the card, right, and so now they're having

880
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,880
to cram them in because they don't know when they

881
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:14,800
have another car.

882
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 3: A couple of things about that. Originally, when they were

883
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,760
going to do the non pay per view cards, some

884
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,599
of the guys that fought on the on the Magmov

885
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:27,360
and Crawford card were PBC fighters. They did that Alan

886
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,960
Zuela against Pitt Bull Cruz, that's a PBC fight. Andy

887
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,599
Ruiz was their guy who fought Jarrell Miller. They also

888
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:36,320
had David Morrel against high Rod. So if they hadn't

889
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,519
gotten the good money that their guys got for those fights,

890
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:41,880
some of those guys would have wound up on non

891
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,360
pay per view cards. Now, remember also the non pay

892
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,159
per view element of the Amazon deal. It's not just

893
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:49,320
like PBC says, we don't want to do this. By

894
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,760
my understanding, they want to do those cards. But a

895
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,159
lot of that has to do with Amazon in their situation.

896
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,119
And when they're sort of getting their feet wet, if

897
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,559
you will, and doing these events again, they tell me

898
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:04,119
they are planning a slate of non pay per view cards. Yes,

899
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:07,119
they've been messed up. August didn't happen, They got pushed

900
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:07,800
back from the spring.

901
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't done yet. I'm not saying I'm not

902
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,000
saying you're saying that they have.

903
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: They don't believe it when I see it. But by

904
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,880
all accounts, and I talked to some people just earlier

905
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,079
today about it, to be quite honest, is they are

906
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:23,039
still planning to do non pay per view fights come

907
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:26,639
probably September. I think we'll see the return of David Morrell,

908
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,719
for example, in a non pay per view fight. He

909
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,719
just fought on the Turkey cart of this past Saturday,

910
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,480
So that will happen eventually. And remember also when they

911
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,639
do the preliminary fights, those are on Prime that are

912
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:41,079
not pay per view so they are getting some of

913
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:43,039
their customers on Prime use to the fact that there

914
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:45,119
are not only the pay per view fights, but you

915
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:49,199
can watch the other preliminaries, and the preliminaries they have

916
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,719
done in large measure have been solid fights, like, for example,

917
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:56,079
the Boachek fight I mentioned to you against Brian Mendoza.

918
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,599
That was a hell of a fight to my recollection,

919
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,880
that was part of the preliminary car on March thirtieth,

920
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:03,880
that was not on the pay per view. So you know,

921
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,360
baby steps again, we'll see. Well, the proof's going to

922
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,280
be when they actually do it. So they can talk

923
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,480
till they're blue in the face, but they plan right.

924
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: And by the way, we get along, I get along

925
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,760
with the PBC people, et cetera. But you got to

926
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,639
show me something on this that that you were going

927
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:18,719
to be just fine.

928
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,559
Speaker 1: That's what we kept hearing.

929
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,559
Speaker 2: They were going to be just fine with the television element,

930
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,960
the television partner, the non pay per view partner, with

931
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,199
all the different fighters that they have. All right, so

932
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,320
let's uh, let's move on. You keep mentioning, David Benavidez,

933
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,800
do you want to go ahead and cover the nugget

934
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,840
here that you are reporting on which he is going

935
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,199
to be back.

936
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Yeah, So, I mean when he fought the

937
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,400
fight in June on the undercart of the Tank Davis

938
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,559
and Frank Martin fight. That was his debut at light heavyweight,

939
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:49,519
where he fought Alexander Vodig, former champion, and he won

940
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:52,320
the vacant interim WBC title in that weight class. And

941
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,679
as you remember, he also held the interim belt that

942
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,039
one sixty eight and the WBC gave him a period

943
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,320
of time in which they had a where he had

944
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,039
to decide am I going to keep the belt in

945
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:06,000
whichever division and then notify the organization. Ultimately, to no surprise, frankly,

946
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,360
he elected to keep the belt at won seventy five

947
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:10,519
and that's where he plans to go. But remember also

948
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:13,039
when he fought the voting fight, he got some injuries

949
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:15,400
going on. He had a bum ligament in one hand,

950
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,039
he had another injury that he went into the fight

951
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,320
with in the other hand. He also suffered a cut

952
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,039
in the fight, so he was going to be unavailable

953
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,760
for a while. And all the people, and again I'm

954
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,199
certainly one of the people that was upset that Canelo

955
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,920
wasn't fighting Benavide's at any point, but the reality is

956
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,719
based on what happened in June. Even if Canello suddenly

957
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,599
snapped his fingers and decided I do want to fight

958
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,360
David Benavettez, he wasn't going to be available in September

959
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,360
because of the injuries. So now apparently, you know, the

960
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,840
hand injuries are being dealt with. He saw hand specialists.

961
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,000
I spoke to his promoter, Samson Lukawitz on what day to say,

962
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,400
today's Thursday. I spoke to Samson on Wednesday and we

963
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,119
were talking about the whole situation. Says, look, he's still

964
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,719
not clear to punch with the hand yet. That's going

965
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,079
to be about sixty days and I'll be cleared. He said,

966
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,239
so far, everything seems to be going just fine with

967
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,000
both of the injuries. The cut was not a big,

968
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:06,480
big situation. He'll be okay with the cut and he

969
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:09,639
will be back to fight again this year. In December,

970
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,719
they didn't have the opponents set yet, and he said

971
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,559
he would be on a PBC pay per view card.

972
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:16,840
He did not indicat or say, and I asked him

973
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:19,280
if it was the main event or an undercard fight.

974
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,840
You know, we'll see what they do there. But the

975
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,760
point is David Benevidtez, who's one of the more interesting

976
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,719
and entertaining fighters and boxing one of the best around,

977
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:30,960
will be back this year and that the injuries he

978
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,039
suffered in that June fight won't cause him to be out,

979
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:35,400
at at least at this point, to be out for

980
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,639
the rest of the year. So that's a good thing,

981
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:38,000
all right.

982
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,159
Speaker 2: So speaking of PBC, let's back up a step. When

983
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:43,039
we've talked a lot about Junior Middleway, Tim Zoo was

984
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:47,639
supposed to be somehow involved on the August third card. Again,

985
00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:50,679
he had the bad gash on the scalp. That's healed

986
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:53,440
well enough. You have been reporting this. It's been announced

987
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,440
that the date that it's a September date. But now

988
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,360
we have more on what the fight might be, right,

989
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,320
go ahead.

990
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 3: Okay, So originally Tim was going to come back and

991
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,880
fight in Australia September twenty second in Sydney, which is

992
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,199
his hometown, which would have been Saturday night, September twenty

993
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,400
first for viewer viewing. As a again, this is going

994
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,559
to be a non pay per view on Prime. They

995
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:17,000
were going to do that fight as one of their

996
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:20,360
non pay per views Sunday afternoon in Australia and they

997
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,960
were doing an eliminator. It had been ordered to fight

998
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:25,639
eric Sson Lubin. Now they still had to go through

999
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,880
the deal making process, but Ericson Lubin is also a

1000
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,000
PBC fighter. Maybe they would have to go to a

1001
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,280
pers bit if Lubin and them couldn't come to an agreement.

1002
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:35,119
But it turned out not to matter because Lubin turned

1003
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:37,519
out that he had a hand injury and was got

1004
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,320
a doctor's you know, a note to the IVF said,

1005
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:42,679
you know, he can't fight in that timeframe, and the

1006
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,880
Zoo people were, obviously for a lot of reasons, we're

1007
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,400
not willing to back it up. They're not going to

1008
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,880
let his career be stalled by anybody, as we've seen

1009
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:51,599
in previous situations. So that man Lubin was out of

1010
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:54,119
the situation. Now. The way the IVF works is they

1011
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,559
order eliminators, but if the timing on the calendar comes

1012
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,280
and there hasn't been an eliminator fought, the guy that's

1013
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,079
the number one, the highest rated guy now becomes the

1014
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:05,559
mandatory and they don't end up going through an eliminator fight.

1015
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,039
So that's what has happened. Now the timing has run out,

1016
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:11,280
and so because Zoo is the highest rated fighter in

1017
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,480
the IBF rankings at one to fifty four, there will

1018
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,280
be no eliminator. So instead of doing that earlier this week,

1019
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,840
the IBF ordered the mandatory fight. So they ordered Bakram Martazlev,

1020
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,639
who won the IBF title that was vacated on the

1021
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,840
day of the persemid by Charlow, and Bakram won that

1022
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,000
fight in Germany by knockout against Josh Kolke, so this

1023
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,199
will be his first defense. Ordered to fight Tim Zu.

1024
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,599
They have, you know, a few weeks to make a

1025
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,360
deal and if they don't then then the IBF will

1026
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,960
order a purse bit. I believe it would be September

1027
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,320
fifth as their deadline now. Bakram Martazelov's promoter, Main Events,

1028
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:48,599
has worked closely with PBC because all those step asides

1029
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,199
that Martazlov had while he was waiting for Charlow, they

1030
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,599
put him Main Events did the deal. He fought on

1031
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:58,559
several PBC cards, so they have a good relationship even

1032
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,119
though PBC is not his promoter. So there's a very

1033
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:03,679
good possibility that they'll be able to make a deal

1034
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:07,599
and that the title defense between Bachraum and Tim Zoo

1035
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:10,639
will take place in September. Now, I'm told that if

1036
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:12,920
it does happen, there is an outside chance that it

1037
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:14,800
could wind up coming to the United States for that

1038
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,280
fight rather than Australia, because that could be part of

1039
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,960
the you know, a deal, making a deal point in

1040
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:21,480
terms of your bakram and not wanting to have to

1041
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,719
go to Australia for the fight. But Tim Zoo is

1042
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,199
in Las Vegas as we speak training. A matter of fact,

1043
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:28,599
just Wednesday night, he was on a zoom call with

1044
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:32,199
some media talking about this latest move by the IBF,

1045
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,400
so he's excited to get a title shot. Kathy Duva

1046
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,480
from Main Events has told me, you know, in no

1047
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:41,800
uncertain terms, we absolutely want the fights that we can

1048
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,079
get against the bigger names. There's no bigger name at

1049
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:46,840
junior middleweight than Tim Zoo other than Terrence Crawford at

1050
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,440
the moment. And so I think, given their relationship with PBC,

1051
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,719
given the fact that it's a mandatory fight, that neither

1052
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,440
guy is looking to back down from anybody. Again, It's

1053
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,079
gonna take some time to go through the process and

1054
00:46:58,079 --> 00:46:59,960
play out like it is with any deal, but there's

1055
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:03,360
a very likely chance that comes sometime in September, whether

1056
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,119
it's here or in Australia, that there will be an

1057
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:09,599
IBF title fight between Martazlav against him Zoo on Prime.

1058
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: And important it's the week after the Canelo pay per

1059
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,440
view as well, that's the following week, so let's see

1060
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,840
how they work through. Is it in the United States,

1061
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,559
is it in Australia. And then obviously Zoo, if he's victorious,

1062
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,800
now has a world title again for unification against Crawford

1063
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:28,559
or or somebody else or the door of.

1064
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:33,039
Speaker 3: The rematch with with correct and you might also Fandora

1065
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:36,840
looms as a possibility for Crawford too, because not only

1066
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,960
did Crawford win the WBA title against Magramov, it was

1067
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,880
also for the vacant interim WBO title, which puts him

1068
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,800
in a mandatory position against Fandora. So if Crawford wants

1069
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,800
to win other belts in the division, which I think

1070
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,360
he does, fighting Fandora, who's got two belts, would be

1071
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,079
a quick not you know, it's a way to get

1072
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,800
three belts together on the same fight because he owns

1073
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,239
two of them. So there's a lot of ship going

1074
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,960
on at at one hundred and fifty four, and frankly,

1075
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,119
all the different permutations of the fights you can make

1076
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:07,800
are all perfectly fine. But the main thing is in

1077
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,000
terms of tim Zuo's career, he's going to get this

1078
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:13,880
opportunity against Martazlov, who is very unknown. You know what's

1079
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,039
crazy though, Bertazlov TJ So I watched when he won

1080
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,440
the title against CLK. I watch it on YouTube, like

1081
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:21,639
a couple hours after the fight was over. I already

1082
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:24,400
knew the result, though. I'm like randomly, like I set

1083
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,840
my my DVR for boxing stuff, and there's some of those,

1084
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,119
like regional sports networks carry these tape shows that just

1085
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:32,320
show up that Sometimes they are fights from ten years ago, right,

1086
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,400
Sometimes they're from two months ago. So I don't know

1087
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,880
what they are because if you look at the description

1088
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,559
on the cable guy, that doesn't say what it is.

1089
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,400
So I just have it set like to tape all

1090
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,440
of them, record all of them, and I go and

1091
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,800
I check when they record, and I look at it.

1092
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,000
Something interesting, I'll check it out if I've seen it

1093
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:48,400
or it's nothing interesting, I just delete it. Two weeks ago,

1094
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,880
one of those shows recorded on my DVR. I pop

1095
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,199
it on and what was it it was. They were

1096
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:55,400
showing the replay of Martazlov against Jack caulkay So on

1097
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:58,639
regional sports networks around the United States. Anybody that watches

1098
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:00,679
those things actually got a chance to see that fight

1099
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,800
right from April. Unfairly recent relative to some of the

1100
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,440
other stuff that they show. But that's the only fight

1101
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,719
of his anybody's ever known or seen. So he has

1102
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,480
a chance not to step in against you, whichill be

1103
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:14,960
a much bigger fight or force of promotion and attention

1104
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,280
and obviously a big outlet. So we'll see what happens.

1105
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,840
He's a fun fighter, by the way. You may not

1106
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,159
know him, may not have ever seen him, but he's

1107
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:27,000
a strong, sturdy, good puncher, you know, real physical fighter

1108
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,679
him and Zoo. In my brief of watching him fight,

1109
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:35,880
that shapes up as all could be absolutely two with

1110
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,480
sixteen knockouts. And he's not an old.

1111
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: Guy, all right, Uh, stay tuned, nostalgia time, Okay. So

1112
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,639
it was twenty seven years ago Wednesday, August seventh of

1113
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,920
nineteen ninety seven, the rematch where Roy Jones avenged his

1114
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,360
disqualification loss with Montel Griffin for a punch while Griffin

1115
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,000
was down on a knee and Griffin couldn't get up

1116
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,559
and Roy got decued. He regains he ain't his light

1117
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:02,599
heavyweight title in less than a round.

1118
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: Spectacular knockout.

1119
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,639
Speaker 2: All right, So give me more on the nostalgia about

1120
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:10,079
that one from gosh a quarter of a century ago.

1121
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: I remember that ko.

1122
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,159
Speaker 3: So the first fight that they had, this is the

1123
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:16,599
first fight took place in March of nineteen ninety seven.

1124
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:20,519
Montel Griffin was an undefeated olympian, a cutie south ball

1125
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,159
from Chicago who you know, always was a painted in

1126
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:24,599
the ass for all his opponents to fight. You know,

1127
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:27,400
could box and was not the most crown pleasing guy,

1128
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,920
but had a lot of skills, like I said, top

1129
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,039
amateur olympian like Roy had been, you know, earlier in

1130
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:35,840
his career. They fought a fight, and Roy had some

1131
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,800
trouble with him early on and ultimately figured him out

1132
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,119
and looked like he knocked him out in the seventh

1133
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,480
or the ninth round rather, But he hit him while

1134
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,000
he was down, you know. Montal gave a great acting performance. Yeah,

1135
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:48,559
he was not nearly as hurt as he made it

1136
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:50,519
out to be in my opinion, but nonetheless, when you

1137
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,280
hit the man when he's down, it is technically a foul,

1138
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,360
and the referee, Tony Prez disqualified ROYA Jones, which was

1139
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,920
a shocking turn of events because Roy was pound for

1140
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,199
pound number one and undefeat. That was like a massive, massive,

1141
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,920
like earth shaking scenario that unfolded.

1142
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: Is that DQ exactly exactly?

1143
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,639
Speaker 3: But he had he had knocked him down earlier in

1144
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:13,679
the fight, and then when he was on a knee

1145
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,199
in the ninth round, Roy hit him and ultimately was disqualified,

1146
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,480
and that enraged Roy. He didn't have to disqualify me.

1147
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:25,360
He certainly could have maybe taken two points in half

1148
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,000
to deque the guy. In any event, they had an

1149
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,320
immediate rematch. They did the rematch five months later, August

1150
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:37,320
of August seventh, nineteen ninety seven, Foxwoods Casino in Connecticut.

1151
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:43,039
And this was a fight where Roy just absolutely came

1152
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:47,239
out intentionally like with the bad intentions. I'm getting him

1153
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,599
out of there in one round. I'm not fucking around

1154
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,840
fuck this guy, what happened last time? I'm icing him,

1155
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:57,079
Which is funny because Montel Griffin's nickname was Ice. I

1156
00:51:57,159 --> 00:51:58,199
just thought I was I wasn't even.

1157
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: Trying to make ice on Ice that night, So it came.

1158
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 3: Out just the pay per view HBO pay per view

1159
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,559
fight on a weeknight, as my recollection goes, I think

1160
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:10,639
it was a Thursday night or some crazy shit like that. Anyway,

1161
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,320
the bottom line is Roy Jones, and I think and

1162
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,199
all the all the wins and all the you know,

1163
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,880
spectacular performances that Roy Jones had throughout his career, this

1164
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,920
might be number one just in terms of sheer violence,

1165
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,400
you know, sheer I'm gonna destroy you type of Roy

1166
00:52:26,519 --> 00:52:30,119
like Roy Jones with a purpose and came out there

1167
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:33,599
against a very solid, tough opponent who was undefeated and

1168
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:35,719
had some confidence rending beaten Roy, even if it was

1169
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,320
under somewhat sketchy circumstances, and Roy Jones hit him and

1170
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:42,639
knocked him out with a leaping left hook. That is

1171
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:45,559
something spectacular you'll never see. Roy Jones was the kind

1172
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:47,400
of fighter when you watch him while I particularly when

1173
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,079
he was in his prime, even season hardened boxing, people

1174
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:53,760
would come away from his fights seeing shit they never

1175
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,079
saw before, and that leaping left hook was one of

1176
00:52:56,079 --> 00:53:00,440
those kind of punches. He absolutely destroyed my Tell Griffin

1177
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,199
in the first round knockout and got the title back

1178
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:04,239
and you know reclaimed, you know not that he ever

1179
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,920
really lost it, but still maintained his position as the

1180
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,400
pound for pound number one, and then you know, was

1181
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,440
off for a little while after that, unfortunately, but then

1182
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,280
came back after that had another one of his best

1183
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,119
wins with another spectacular knockout when he knocked out Virgil

1184
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:19,719
Hill with the body shot that broke his ribs. I

1185
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,440
remember George Foreman describing that once as like hearing a

1186
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,679
shotgun the way he knocked out Virgil. But this knockout

1187
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,320
might even be more impressive because of the stakes when

1188
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,559
he thought Virgil was a non title fight for weird reasons,

1189
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:35,559
but to reclaim the title, Avenger only lost, which was

1190
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:38,639
sketchy to begin with, and do so in such absolutely

1191
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:43,199
devastating fashion, absolutely obliterating Montel who was laid out on

1192
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,400
the campus like you could see his body shaking. That's

1193
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,559
the and by the way, you could check it out

1194
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:49,119
on YouTube. I'll take you about twelve seconds because the

1195
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:53,039
whole fight didn't even last one round. I mean, it

1196
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:56,440
was just I always tell people like of my time

1197
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,840
covering boxing, and it's with all due respect to great

1198
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,880
fighters like Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacow and Bernard Hopkins,

1199
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,599
and others that the greatest fighter I've ever seen in

1200
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:09,159
person live in his prime was Roy Jones. That I

1201
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,599
covered those fights. This fight with Montel was a little

1202
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,039
bit before my time on the Boxing Beat, but I

1203
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:17,440
watched it. But this is why when people talk about

1204
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,360
Roy Jones with the reverence that they do, that's the

1205
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,800
type of performance that they remember. It's this type of

1206
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,920
fight against a quality opponent that he destroyed. You know,

1207
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,360
he had destroyed Montel Griffin. If you go back before that,

1208
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,119
he had easily beaten Bernard Hopkins, he had easily beaten

1209
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:38,199
James Tony. These are top, top elite guys, Hall of famers,

1210
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:40,480
I mean, and he then knocked out Virgil Hill like

1211
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:42,320
he did was also in the Hall of Fame. Not

1212
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,679
to say Montel is going to be in the Hall

1213
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:46,480
of Fame, but to do it under that pressure to

1214
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:51,039
get that title back. Man, this is Roy being Roy

1215
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:54,280
at the best. I mean, you can't get a better performance.

1216
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 2: Roy, by the way, toyed with Mike McCallum, and that's

1217
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,719
the that's the fight I always talk about with you.

1218
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,840
That was but Mike was I understand, But Roy, you know,

1219
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,639
whether he carried him or not, like you've said before

1220
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:05,079
he toyed with him, and I was in the house

1221
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:07,800
that night in Tampa back that winter of ninety six,

1222
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,559
before the Montel Griffin DQ and before this first round KO.

1223
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,159
So yeah, he was. He was spectacular to see in person.

1224
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:17,000
There's no doubt. I just don't want to accept that

1225
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,800
that was twenty seven years ago, that revenge knockout.

1226
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:21,599
Speaker 1: But it was all right.

1227
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: So move forward seven years on the same date, August

1228
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,440
seventh of two thousand and four. That night, Rayphael was

1229
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:34,119
in the house for I heard the Chico Corrales Popo

1230
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,559
Fritas WBO lightweight title fight that was going so well

1231
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,159
for Popo until it wasn't. And this is why we

1232
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:46,079
love boxing. And Chico Corrales got his knockout. This is

1233
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,639
before the awesome fight with Castile that we've always talked about.

1234
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:53,800
This is August of two thousand and four, twenty years ago.

1235
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,760
Now earlier this week, tell me more about being ringside

1236
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:57,400
real quick.

1237
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: So showtime main event. This is uh diego, Chico Corrales,

1238
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,960
who had been a champion in the lightweight division. I'm

1239
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,079
sorry in this in the junior lightweight division. He had

1240
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,639
defeated a Joel Casameer in their rematch. He was now

1241
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,960
he had in that fight, he had won the WBO

1242
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,840
vacant title at one thirty, and now he's moving up

1243
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,840
in weight to challenge Essleno Popo Freydas, who at the

1244
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,119
time was thirty five and zero and knocking everybody out.

1245
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,599
Bill Really kind of they kind of sleep on Fredas.

1246
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,119
They forget how devastating, how dominating he was in the

1247
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,679
kind of spectacular knockouts that he had put together against him,

1248
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:34,239
some some not all of them, obviously, but against some

1249
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,400
good fighters, some good opponents he had. He had beaten

1250
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,280
Joel Casmyor when Joe was at his absolute best in

1251
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,519
a unification fight, but he had then moved up to

1252
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:44,960
the lightweight division. So this I was really excited for

1253
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,840
this fight. This was, like I mean, even though I

1254
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,559
can you know, we always talk about like Daddy's my

1255
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:51,079
favorite fighter of all time. My second favorite fight of

1256
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:53,320
all time is Popo Fredas. Like I had my cat

1257
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:58,440
inning Popo, like I love. I've met him many times

1258
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,960
and hung out with him. He's he's just a BEAUTI

1259
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:03,039
for guy. So I was totally pumped up for this

1260
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:05,519
fight because also was a big Chico Corrales fan. Also

1261
00:57:05,679 --> 00:57:09,519
was a very if you met him in person, just

1262
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:13,239
an instant instant you know, charisma, personality, outgoing, just love

1263
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,639
to talk boxing. Cool guy. I've told the story before

1264
00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:19,280
how after the great fight with Castillo, I the next

1265
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,280
week I spent the day at his house doing some

1266
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,239
stuff for ESPN. We were doing some taping and we're

1267
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:27,079
he was doing a thing on the show. I was

1268
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:29,119
doing a separate report. But they needed to meet to

1269
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:31,039
be in and he need us both to be in

1270
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:32,519
one spot. So I went to the house. So I

1271
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:36,280
got to know these guys. But this fight obviously in

1272
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,960
my heart, I mean, I'll root for that ringside, but

1273
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,679
in my heart, and be honest, I want to win

1274
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:41,079
the fight. I'm not gonna lie about that. He is

1275
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:44,239
my guy. And he was kicking He was kicking Chico

1276
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,800
Krows's ass, not in a physical sense, but just out

1277
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,599
boxing him, completely shutting him down, giving him angles and

1278
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:52,559
playing what he was playing with him is the best

1279
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:54,760
way to put it. And like you said, until he

1280
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,519
wasn't so through seven rounds. Through seven rounds, this was

1281
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,519
my recollection. This was like seven to nothing through seven rounds,

1282
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:06,639
maybe six to one, but a totally one sided whitewash

1283
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,719
where he was untouched. And then Corrals, who had huge

1284
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,239
power and was never gonna give up, dropped him in

1285
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:16,880
the eighth round, like, okay, he can survive that, we'll

1286
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,000
see what happens. Then in the ninth round he put

1287
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:22,519
him down really really hard, and I thought the fight

1288
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:25,119
was over. I thought the ref could have stopped the fight.

1289
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1290
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 3: Popo showed a huge heart, got off the deck. Now

1291
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,360
he's obviously in a hole because the two knockdowns, you know,

1292
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,079
and he's been hurt. I thought that fight absolutely could

1293
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:37,239
have ended there. The referee was Mike Ortega, who was

1294
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,039
a well known referee for a long long time, and

1295
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:42,960
you know, didn't stop the fight. Okay, now comes out

1296
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,599
for the tenth round and he drops him again again

1297
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,239
and again. Popo gets up and he survived. So he

1298
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,360
shows the heart to get up from three knockdowns, including

1299
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,960
the second knockdown, which was a devastating knockdown. Or I

1300
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,239
thought the fight could be stopped. And after the one

1301
00:58:57,239 --> 00:58:59,440
in the tenth round, he turned his back and he

1302
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,079
waved the way flag and he retired. He quit the fight,

1303
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,320
and so I always was disappointed, not that he lost

1304
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,000
the fight, but because he'll go down, because he also

1305
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:11,880
quit for lack of a better word, against Wan Diaz

1306
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:14,480
in another fight. You know, the two knockout losses that

1307
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,400
he'd suffered, but that he gets no credit for the

1308
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,639
balls and to survive that, the survival that he did

1309
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:21,639
for the three knockdowns, that he'll be remembered in this

1310
00:59:21,679 --> 00:59:24,440
fight because he quit after a.

1311
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: What you're saying is if he down, and what you're

1312
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,639
saying is if he stays down and gets counted out

1313
00:59:28,679 --> 00:59:32,079
in the ninth round, he doesn't get disrespected nearly as much.

1314
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,639
Speaker 3: Correct, So that was like a hugely disappointing thing. But

1315
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:38,480
for corrals, if you take now Carrals is a recent

1316
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,239
inductee into the box of posthumously anyway, but inductee into

1317
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:43,920
the Hall of fame. If you take a look at

1318
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,719
the record that Dievil carlis fashion to put him into

1319
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:50,519
the Hall of fame. His biggest wins, and this is

1320
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:55,400
not even like a for argument, is the victories against

1321
00:59:55,199 --> 00:59:58,519
the first fight against Castillo, obviously to unify the lightweight titles,

1322
00:59:58,519 --> 01:00:00,760
which is, as we all discuss, maybe the greatest fight

1323
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,519
of all time. He had three fights against Joe al Kassamayor,

1324
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:06,800
but he lost two of them, but he did win

1325
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,719
one of them. The fight before this Popa fight, that's

1326
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,760
a big win for him. And this Popa fight to

1327
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,119
gain the lightweight belt and to knock out the undefeated

1328
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:18,119
knockout specialists Popo frighters, who at that time was like

1329
01:00:18,159 --> 01:00:20,679
a borderline pound for pound guy. So this was a

1330
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:25,840
highly significant fight in the careers of both of these fighters. Uh,

1331
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,440
And it was one of those deals where you're like,

1332
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,360
your guy's absolutely kicking ass and winning easily, and like

1333
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,719
you said, until he's not. And it was a was

1334
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:37,760
a really harsh loss form. I'm not sure if Freda's

1335
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,000
ever really recovered in terms of his career after that, because, uh,

1336
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,800
you know, it was it was, it was a rough

1337
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,239
one and then it was only you know, then he

1338
01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:47,239
fought a couple like easier fights. He he won another belt,

1339
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,039
and then he had the fight against Wanda As a

1340
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:51,199
couple of years later, and that fight he quit and

1341
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:53,199
also and that was pretty much all she wrote, and

1342
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,880
then he retired for like five years before he had

1343
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,559
a couple of comeback fights. But uh, if you'll indulge me,

1344
01:00:57,559 --> 01:00:59,559
I'll tell a quick story about what happened after this fight.

1345
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:03,719
Speaker 2: Yes, now, for a long time podcast people that listen

1346
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,199
to us religiously, you have told this before, but you're

1347
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:07,920
gonna tell it again here for the audience that a

1348
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,199
lot of the audience is knew. Tell him about the

1349
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,320
post fight aftermath and how it relates to your cat.

1350
01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:16,079
Because I know what's coming here go.

1351
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 3: So the press conference wraps up, I write my story.

1352
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,639
I go back to my room and I'm packing my

1353
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:25,920
stuff and down the hall I hear like the noise

1354
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,480
and there's like a big commotion in the hallway, and

1355
01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:30,280
I open up my door of the hotel room at

1356
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,960
Foxwoods and it's Popo Fretis and his whole team coming

1357
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:37,360
down the hall. Artie Polulo was his promoter from Banner Promotions.

1358
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,360
What I've known for many, many years. So I actually

1359
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,280
had a chance to hang out with and have dinner

1360
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,519
with when I was in La last week for the

1361
01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:46,679
Crawford Magro mov guard already has always been a good

1362
01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:49,920
friend of mine. Anyway, I see them all traps down

1363
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,320
the hallway when I didn't realize this. So I'm in

1364
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,960
my normal room and at the end of the hallway

1365
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,320
like five six doors away, the big suite at the

1366
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,440
end of the hall. Turns out that's popo suite, which

1367
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,639
I did not realize, so already sees me. He's like,

1368
01:01:59,639 --> 01:02:02,039
you know, come on in, come, come, come and say hello.

1369
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,000
So all right, so I wrap up what I'm doing

1370
01:02:04,039 --> 01:02:05,599
and I'll go over to the to the suite. And

1371
01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:07,559
it's like a part you know that he lost the fight,

1372
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:09,760
but there's a commotion. The whole team is there, the family,

1373
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,440
the lawyer of the account, and the wife, the mom.

1374
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:14,559
The mom is cooking though it's it's just utter chaos.

1375
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,159
The trainer. I'm talking to the trainer anyway. So I'm

1376
01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:18,880
making this. I'm doing the thing there and I'm in

1377
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,199
there in the in the main room. And after a

1378
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:25,400
few minutes, Uh, the late Oscar Suarez, who was Popo's

1379
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:27,239
trainer for that fight, who passed away a number of

1380
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,599
years ago, comes out of the bedroom where Popa was

1381
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,800
and he says, because Popo saw me when I came

1382
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,480
into the room with them, Uh, his Popa would like

1383
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:39,679
to talk to you. Okay, So they bring me into

1384
01:02:39,679 --> 01:02:41,920
the bedroom. Now again, I told the story before, but

1385
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:44,280
I's so in dell in my mind, I can't ever forget.

1386
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:46,679
Speaker 2: Wait, wait for the audience. I know what it's. I

1387
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,239
know what's coming. And I see Raphael blushing on camera

1388
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,800
because I go it's just hilarious.

1389
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 3: So in the room, it's Asleno Fradus is on the

1390
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,119
bed and this is the detail I remember. He's he's

1391
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:02,679
laying on the bed like it's like last rights, and

1392
01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:06,599
he's wearing a brown Bomber Joe Louis sweatshirt and he's

1393
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:08,480
laying on the bed. His face is all busted up.

1394
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,639
He's like looks like he'd maybe been crying a little bit.

1395
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,599
And Suarez is there and the lights you're dim and

1396
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:17,199
like you're like visiting somebody in the hospital. And over

1397
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,039
on the other side of the room is his wife, Iliana,

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and she's packing because they're leaving to go home to

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Brazil the following day. But she's basically naked while she's packing.

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And she's a beautiful woman, so forgive me, but it's.

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Speaker 1: Hard not totally clad wife of Polpo.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's just ridiculous. The scene that I'm seeing. It's

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like the juxtaposition of the man apparently on the deathbed

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with Rayfael and Suarez, you know, and and six eight

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feet away the half naked wife, like, you know, packing

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bags of I mean just I mean, just fucking crazy.

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So now Popo wants to talk to me, so I

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go to the bedside. It's like again, you're visiting like

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somebody in the hospital bed and Suarez who spoke Spanish,

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and Popo Portuguese. But they're close enough. I guess where

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Oscar could, you know, communicate with him, and he starts

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to talk in Portuguese and I didn't really understand what

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he was saying. They tell these you know, spends however

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long he says what he says, an Oscar goes to translate.

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Now to back up, Popo knew at this time that

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my wife and I had a black cat named Popo

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in honor of him. That was the name of the cat.

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And earlier before this, I had given art Polulo, the promoter,

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a picture of the cat as like a joke actually,

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and he goes on a business trip to Brazil to

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visit with Popo and the lawyer and the team to

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do whatever deal they were doing. He brings the picture

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of the cat to Brazil and visits with Popo and

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he comes back and tells me that Popo and the

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wife have taken the picture of the cat. They've hung

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it somewhere, and I can't think they hung it like

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on the refrigerator in their kitchen. Whatever was Now the

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picture of my black cat named Popo is on the

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wall somewhere in Popo's house. So he knows that Raphael,

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you know, an American reporter who he's known now for

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a few years, was covered a lot of his fights,

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who knows that, like I'm a big fan of his,

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has a picture of the Rafael cat in the house

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in Brazil. So he's aware of the cat. And now

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we just got knocked the fuck out and he lost

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the title, and he's on the death bet, it seems like.

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And I'm in the suite and they're getting ready to leave,

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and the mom is there and everybody's doing their thing,

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and he invites Raphael into the room because he's got

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a big concern and he tells it to Suarez, and

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Suarez translates in Portuguese and he says, now to me

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01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:31,480
in English, the trainer paraphrasing Popo says he knows he lost,

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and he's sorry, but he hopes you won't change the

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cat's name. And that's the story and of course I said, no,

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of course, I'm not changing my cat's name. But that

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to me blew my fucking mind. That he's just lost,

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01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,880
like a really harsh fight, a big fight for him

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in his career, and he's worried if the reporter is

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going to change the damn cat's name.

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Speaker 2: He's at least got a little concern or at least

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a little.

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Speaker 3: Six And meanwhile the wife is still half naked and

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stuff in in the suitcase on the other side of

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the room.

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Speaker 2: These are the phenomenal stories that you get out here

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on the pod and why we love you so with

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the nostalgia. And that was now twenty years ago. But

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01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:07,639
that for that fight with Corrals, I got a YouTube

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that went out for the Corraals comeback there in the

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last couple of roles.

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Speaker 3: Watched the first seven rounds and you'll see Asileno Popo

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frets at his absolutely brilliant best, absolutely taking him to school,

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and as good of the win as he had against

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Shoe to unify the titles earlier in his career. You know,

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this was like, this was a huge fight on Showtime

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01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,239
when he unified against against Casalmyra. Remember he was a

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Showtime contract guy. So you know he had the fights,

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you know, against against Corrals, against Casalmor these were these

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were big deals. So that fight against Cassa Major was

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in two thousand and two, a brilliant performance, close fight,

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01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:49,440
but Popo clearly won against freight against against a fighter

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01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:51,880
in Kasimir who at that time was undefeated and a

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01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,719
tremendous fighter. Olympic gold medalist was you know, moving up

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01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:56,719
people's pound for penalists. That was a big deal. And

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01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,599
now it was a couple of years later where he

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lost the fight against Corrals. But those days early two

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thousands between Castillo, Popo, Juan Diez, you know, Freight us Corrales,

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01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,159
just a lot of mix and matching of just tremendous

1479
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fight between these guys. That was a good lightweight era

1480
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where they all fought each other too, and a lot

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01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:19,960
of them were classes to kind of fights.

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Speaker 2: Love the nostalgia we've given you plenty here. By the way,

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we have not mentioned this as of yet. We will

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be doing this with the handicapping for the Virgil Ortiz

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fight and the Luis Alberto Lopez title fight on the

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US Boxing Show at one Eastern time on Friday.

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Speaker 1: You can find us. There is we'll predict those fights

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01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:37,079
a little more. We gave you a.

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Speaker 2: Preview tonight, some news, some nostalgia. Other than that great

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01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:43,320
way to close the show there about don't rename the

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01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,960
cat while the scantily clad wife is packing the bags,

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01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,360
anything else, mister ray Field and closing before we head

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of the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I think we're good. I'm actually, like I said earlier

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in the beginning of the show, I know it's kind

1496
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,559
of a low key weekend in terms of the fights,

1497
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:57,519
certainly not in terms of the hype and the magnitude

1498
01:07:57,519 --> 01:07:59,880
that we saw with that big cart in La last week.

1499
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But I'm actually very much looking forward to both main events,

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and I have to figure out my timing to see

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which one I can watch drive or what the order

1502
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:07,960
is going to because I'm just not sure which one

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01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,440
I want to watch. Probably look at them.

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Speaker 1: They might stagger it a little bit.

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01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get thee because the top rank fight is

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01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:16,199
in Albuquerque and the other one's in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they stagger.

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01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 3: We'll see, I suppose if they're on at the same time,

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I'll probably well, normally what I do is what everyone

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starts first is the one I'll stick with, so if

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they're about the same, I probably willing. I'll probably look

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at the Virgil and Bolicheck fight first, even though I

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like the other fight also, but we'll say get.

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Speaker 2: It in the ring, get the Unlike last week, By

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the way, I did go back and time it as

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we depart here. From the end of the post fight

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01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,439
interview with Jose Valezuela and Pitt Bull cruise until the

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01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,399
first bell of the Terrence Crawford main event was one

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01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,560
hour and eleven minutes with an M and M concert

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in the middle. Just in case you were scoring at home.

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That's a long time in any event. Good stuff, Dan Rayfield,

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We'll talk to you on the bet Us show Coming

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Fighting at one each time. Whatever happens, we'll recap it

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on the Fight Preach to Night, recap Pott Coming off

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the Weekend. Thank you, sir, you bet there's Dan ray Phil.

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