Speaker 1: Seven oh five. Look you by kr CD talk station.
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, A big smile on my face. Why it's Friday.
Speaker 1: That's reason enough. But I also have Nathaniel Sizemorigan Studio.
Speaker 1: He has an impressive resume, young man. He is. He's
Speaker 1: an award winning novelist, attorney, entrepreneur, graduated from Vanderbilt Law School,
Speaker 1: which I won't hold against him. Serves an associate editor
Speaker 1: of the Vanderbilt Law Review. Impressive, that is. I must
Speaker 1: underscore that after practicing a large firm of Washington, DC Metropolitan,
Speaker 1: he returned to Cincinnati to work for his family's business.
Speaker 1: He has written a couple of books. Debut thriller entitled
Speaker 1: Deadly Division actually won writing awards and was named as
Speaker 1: a finalists for the Hawthorne Prize. Second thriller, the Cohort
Speaker 1: number one new release Legal Thriller on Amazon. And congratulations
Speaker 1: to both of those. We're here to talk about those
Speaker 1: books and get a little insight about Nathanael's background. Welcome
Speaker 1: in studio, Nathaniel. It's a real pleasure having you here, Brian.
Speaker 1: Pleasure to be here, and thank you to Bob Katyre,
Speaker 1: who as the reason that I even know Nathaniel. We're
Speaker 1: mutual friends with Bob as a retired colonel, and I've
Speaker 1: had Bob on the program multiple times talking about the
Speaker 1: active shooter situations. He does classes on that. He also does,
Speaker 1: you know, wound care classes, and if you're out there
Speaker 1: in your business or your church group, your community group
Speaker 1: is interested in that kind of thing, just find Bob Katyre. Nathaniel, obviously,
Speaker 1: are you a recovering lawyer since you find yourself working
Speaker 1: in a family business and you're an author now as well,
Speaker 1: do you still practice law at all on any level?
Speaker 2: I am the corporate counsel for the family business. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I couldn't get out of it. I had to
Speaker 2: stay in it. But I wear a business hat some
Speaker 2: days too.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on that. At least you're sticking it out. Your
Speaker 1: dad's in studio too. He's a lawyer as well. Never
Speaker 1: did practice law, though he never did, maintains his law.
Speaker 1: Agree in regardless what prompted you to write. I know,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of listeners here who are writers,
Speaker 1: and I think it's really cool in these modern times
Speaker 1: that it's I think easier to get something published because
Speaker 1: you can do it on your own as opposed to
Speaker 1: submitting your work to multiple different publishers and wait around
Speaker 1: for that probably rejection letter, because that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I get the impression most happens, happens to most people.
Speaker 1: But what inspired you to write? And did you self
Speaker 1: publish or did you work through a publisher? How to work?
Speaker 1: The story's cool?
Speaker 2: I enjoy the storylines of the books, but the story
Speaker 2: of how I stumbled into this is really hopefully inspirational
Speaker 2: to those. Well, that's why I ask considering a critic
Speaker 2: side hustle. So we were on vacation in Kea Island,
Speaker 2: South Carolina. It was twenty ten. I was going into
Speaker 2: my third year of law school and I couldn't sleep.
Speaker 2: I had an idea. So I pulled out my laptop
Speaker 2: up and I pounded out ten pages of aimless drivel.
Speaker 2: It was nonsense, but it was a start stream of consciousness.
Speaker 2: Stream of consciousness. But I had this idea and I
Speaker 2: just couldn't put it to bed. So I wrote a
Speaker 2: storyboard and wrote about fifteen or twenty percent of it,
Speaker 2: and then life happens. I had third year of law school,
Speaker 2: I was dating a gow who's now my wife, and
Speaker 2: start a job, take the bar exam all the big
Speaker 2: things in life. It's sat dormant until a little thing
Speaker 2: called COVID gave us all some very necessary personal time
Speaker 2: to do a variety of things. So what I did
Speaker 2: was I watched the season of Downton Abbey and I
Speaker 2: started and I started a second one, and I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, I can do something better with my downtime.
Speaker 2: So I finished the book and I had a small
Speaker 2: press publisher friend in Atlanta BDI Publishers, send in the manuscript.
Speaker 2: He says, I think you have something here, and here
Speaker 2: we are two books later.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. You know, I'm friends with Peter Bronson, is
Speaker 1: a brilliant guy and he's an author as well. But
Speaker 1: he has his own publishing company, Chili Dog Press. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: so some local authors have worked through Peter Bronson's Chilidog
Speaker 1: press dot com. By the way, if you're interested in
Speaker 1: looking for a publisher, Peter's are just a It's a brilliant,
Speaker 1: wonderful guy. But you know, that's why I asked you
Speaker 1: the question about inspiration, because you know there are people
Speaker 1: out there that have the itch, but they need someone
Speaker 1: like you to demonstrate that, Yeah, it actually can be
Speaker 1: done and quite successful. You are. What are your books about,
Speaker 1: Let's start with the debut throw a Deadly Division.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, and I'd be remiss not to mention, you know,
Speaker 2: all glory to God for the inspiration for these books.
Speaker 2: In my acknowledgments, I say to God from whom all
Speaker 2: talents and blessings flow. I feel very strongly that God
Speaker 2: helped me write these books. I went in ignorant as
Speaker 2: to the general writing process, and He really helped me
Speaker 2: on every step of the way. So I glory goes
Speaker 2: to God for the success of these books. But I
Speaker 2: think really the folks that like John Grisham, they like
Speaker 2: Dan Brown, they like those types of novels, are really
Speaker 2: going to like Deadly Division and kind of inspired by
Speaker 2: Dan Brown. I start each book with a fact section,
Speaker 2: and these are well researched books, but they're things that
Speaker 2: are true that I want the reader to know when
Speaker 2: they started. And what's really cool, Brian, is that it
Speaker 2: echoes a lot of what's happening today. One of the
Speaker 2: most encouraging scary comments that I get is I wonder
Speaker 2: if this is really happening. Oh yeah, I wonder if
Speaker 2: this is really happening, And here's what I mean, deadly division.
Speaker 2: It starts out with a very controversial piece of legislation
Speaker 2: that was actually in the novel, an extension of the
Speaker 2: Johnson Amendment from the sixties, which says, if we give
Speaker 2: tax breaks to churches, we can regulate them. So, taking
Speaker 2: just a couple steps further, there's this piece of legislation
Speaker 2: called the Division Act, which says that the government can
Speaker 2: regulate and in fact restrict certain religious activities. And as
Speaker 2: a result, a young mother loses a child, and my
Speaker 2: protagonist David Steman sees an opportunity for fame and fortune
Speaker 2: and takes on her case. But what he doesn't know
Speaker 2: is that behind the scenes, there's a deep, sinister organization
Speaker 2: that will stop at nothing, even murder, to keep the
Speaker 2: secrets behind the Division Act quiet.
Speaker 1: Now, do you acknowledge and deal with the clause in
Speaker 1: the First Amendment the free exercise of religion in that
Speaker 1: particular context?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. I like to research my books. Well,
Speaker 2: most of it takes place in Washington, d C. And
Speaker 2: many of the venues in the book I've actually been
Speaker 2: to personally what I did during my process, and I'd
Speaker 2: say it's an interesting process. I'm a big movie guy
Speaker 2: always have been. I actually would play out the scenes
Speaker 2: in my head, and then I would write what I saw,
Speaker 2: and I wanted it to be in cool location. So,
Speaker 2: for example, there's one scene in the West Conference room
Speaker 2: at the US Supreme Court building. I was sworn in
Speaker 2: before the US Supreme Court and we were put in
Speaker 2: that room. So I actually pulled the pictures from that
Speaker 2: event and tried to draw it as accurately as possible.
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool, and that's Deadly Division. But of course
Speaker 2: I couldn't stop there. David Stoneman is pulled back into
Speaker 2: the fight in the Cohort, and he's lured to a
Speaker 2: secret island on the Carolina coast by this organization that
Speaker 2: he fought in book one, and I wanted to add
Speaker 2: an extra element of danger. So there's a hurricane bearing
Speaker 2: down on them, and he's being held captive in this
Speaker 2: high end, super exclusive hotel by this global organization with
Speaker 2: nefarious intentions, and he's trying to escape. He and all
Speaker 2: the new characters that I had in book two, So
Speaker 2: you don't have to read Deadly Division to enjoy the Cohort.
Speaker 2: I've had people pick up the Cohort first and really enjoyed.
Speaker 2: Go Back can read deadly divisions, So either are standalones
Speaker 2: and a really fun, suspenseful ride for those who like
Speaker 2: legal political thrillers.
Speaker 1: Legal political thrillers based upon real life realities. Boy, I
Speaker 1: sure hope not. That's that's the thing.
Speaker 2: But I get Facebook messages, I get text messages of
Speaker 2: real events with people say this sounds a lot like
Speaker 2: your book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, as host of the morning show here,
Speaker 1: I have what we used to call conspiracy theorists we
Speaker 1: are now calling pattern observers, and I'll get these instant
Speaker 1: messages like did you see this? I'm talking about something
Speaker 1: completely unrelated, and yet there is a relatable article or
Speaker 1: link out there in the world by somebody who's purporting
Speaker 1: to say this is going on. And you know, quite
Speaker 1: often I raise my eyebrow in the measure of skepticism,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's like Abraham Lincoln said, if you
Speaker 1: read it on the Internet, it's true, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I just find it so difficult
Speaker 1: to sift through fiction and fact because of the multitude
Speaker 1: of sites and outlets and the multi I mean, you
Speaker 1: know what opinions are like, They're like sphincters we've all
Speaker 1: got one, and somebody's spewing some sort of nonsensical garbage
Speaker 1: all the time, which someone will grab a hold of
Speaker 1: and purport to be fact, like it's Donald Trump's fault
Speaker 1: that the helicopter flew into an airplane. Now where did
Speaker 1: this someone come up with that? Well, it's out there
Speaker 1: right now, you can see a real time. So that's
Speaker 1: the problem, the problematic thing, but which makes your type
Speaker 1: of works come across as plausible and real.
Speaker 2: I wrote the types of books that I would want
Speaker 2: to read, and I'll tell you on my on my
Speaker 2: wish list is for these to be made into movies or.
Speaker 1: Serious I bet well. And something tells me along the
Speaker 1: lines of Grisham and others that there probably is going
Speaker 1: to be a third book involving the same characters. There
Speaker 1: must be. We'll bring back Nathaniel's Eismore here in a moment,
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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas here wishing everybody very happy Friday. Remember Tech
Speaker 1: Friday with Dave had it for just tuning in. Awesome
Speaker 1: segment with Dave as always did the podcast fifty five
Speaker 1: KRC dot Com at in studio. Nathaniel Says, a Sizemore attorney,
Speaker 1: author and quite an author. He is, he's got a
Speaker 1: couple of books he's written, and an inspiration in terms
Speaker 1: of those folks out there in the world that are
Speaker 1: looking to maybe be a writer. You have an idea
Speaker 1: or a concept for a book, and he just walked
Speaker 1: through his process a little bit and yeah, it can
Speaker 1: be done again. I'll mentioned Peter Brownson and chilidogpress dot
Speaker 1: com if you're looking for a publisher, but you know,
Speaker 1: using Amazon's I have some listeners who just did it
Speaker 1: directly through Amazon, had their own self published book. So
Speaker 1: it's just the world is a different place today than
Speaker 1: it used to be in terms of being an author.
Speaker 1: Now we were talking offline and the predicate for your
Speaker 1: the book that you were talking about earlier, which is
Speaker 1: deadly division. That that idea that they could pass a
Speaker 1: law in order to control the narrative about religion and
Speaker 1: what is how words are spoken in church is kind
Speaker 1: of frightening reality like we have with the government manipulating
Speaker 1: Facebook for example, and going in with FBI agents and
Speaker 1: suppressing messages. I mean that is a dangerous, dangerous concept.
Speaker 1: But off air you were mentioning a quote from Woodrow Wilson.
Speaker 1: You should probably read it because it reminded me of
Speaker 1: a comment or two that Judge Enteredopolitan has made to
Speaker 1: me several times over the years, which may explain why
Speaker 1: it is our politicians let us down from time to time.
Speaker 1: Go ahead and read that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So this is in the fact section of
Speaker 2: my second book, The Cohort. In his book The New
Speaker 2: Freedom of Call for the Emancipation of the Generous Energies
Speaker 2: of a People from nineteen thirteen, President Woodrow Wilson wrote,
Speaker 2: some of the biggest men in the US are afraid
Speaker 2: of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there
Speaker 2: is a power somewhere, so organized, so subtle, so watchful,
Speaker 2: so interlock, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better
Speaker 2: not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And as soon as you read that kind of
Speaker 1: got chills up my spine. Again, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: quote from Woodrow Wilson. And then along came Jay Edgar Hoover,
Speaker 1: and he vacuumed up all kinds of information. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have he filmed with our John F. Kennedy having
Speaker 1: sex with Marilyn Monroe or something. He spied on Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King Junior. He had the goods on every president
Speaker 1: and senators and politicians, and he literally threatened them with
Speaker 1: exposing this. This, of course a different time. Morally speaking.
Speaker 1: I think most people elected officials, if they've had a
Speaker 1: fair behind their wives back or something, probably be like, ah,
Speaker 1: everybody does it, and big deal, so did everybody else,
Speaker 1: And look at all the presidents who philandered and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. You know, lighting up, Francis, it's
Speaker 1: your moral value system, not mine, but judgment. Paulitano has
Speaker 1: sort of suggested, if not directly indirectly, that he fears
Speaker 1: that many. When you wonder why in the hell it
Speaker 1: is your elected official voted a certain way in defiance
Speaker 1: of something they ran on or a policy position that
Speaker 1: they have out loud claimed to be near and dear
Speaker 1: their hearts, and they vote something polar opposite. It may
Speaker 1: be because that type of nefarious actor has the goods
Speaker 1: on them. Maybe they know their Internet searches what kind
Speaker 1: of porn they're watching, or that they're actually a homosexual,
Speaker 1: or whatever. It doesn't matter if you want to hide
Speaker 1: something and someone's got the goods on you, then you
Speaker 1: may capitulate to their sort of blackmail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the concept of is there a deep
Speaker 2: state organization of puppet masters that really run the show?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And what's scary real about Deadly Division is that I
Speaker 2: was able to during COVID extract some of the restrictions
Speaker 2: that were a result of the coronavirus and add them
Speaker 2: to this.
Speaker 1: Oh no kidding, I was.
Speaker 2: And the restriction is actually on corporate prayer in the
Speaker 2: Division Act. It's a restriction on corporate prayer, which is
Speaker 2: group prayer. Of course, if you can't congregate, then you
Speaker 2: can't have corporate prayer. And as a result, a young
Speaker 2: man died with a disease that his twin brother was
Speaker 2: healed from with the benefit of corporate prayer. So when
Speaker 2: that religious action was restricted, he passed away. So the
Speaker 2: question is what's what's a bit scary about this is
Speaker 2: this is that's.
Speaker 1: What they did during COVID, And it's not new.
Speaker 2: This the concept from then Senator Lyndon Johnson in the
Speaker 2: sixties said, and it was called the Johnson Amendment.
Speaker 1: You can look it up, give it a Google.
Speaker 2: It was if we give tax breaks to religious institutions,
Speaker 2: we can regulate them.
Speaker 1: Right with corporate With federal money, come federal regulations. And
Speaker 1: if you're excused from the obligation, that excusing can also
Speaker 1: come with strings attached.
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's that's what's scary, is when there's an overreach,
Speaker 2: but not just an overreach, an over reach that appears
Speaker 2: to come from a member of Congress, but who is
Speaker 2: the puppet of a deeper, darker global organization. And that's
Speaker 2: what the Cohort really focuses in on. Is it digs
Speaker 2: into that global organization.
Speaker 1: Did you have a particular person in mind when you're
Speaker 1: thinking about the global organization? Because to me, it's always
Speaker 1: like George sorows He. You know, he represents the ultimate
Speaker 1: behind the scenes dark force, at least in so far
Speaker 1: as pushing liberal policy and agenda and globalism. And he's
Speaker 1: got fat Bank and funds a lot of these non
Speaker 1: governmental organizations who undermine at least my personal belief systems.
Speaker 2: So I always planned and I get this question all
Speaker 2: the time, is you know xyz character is that me?
Speaker 2: It seems a lot like me, And the answer is
Speaker 2: almost never yes. It's almost never yes. But what I
Speaker 2: did was I came up with the idea of a
Speaker 2: character that would fulfill the role. And yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it is a combination of several personality traits which you
Speaker 2: can find in the news the.
Speaker 1: Thing Seize More, author of Deadly Division and the Cohort,
Speaker 1: both of which will be on my blog page fifty
Speaker 1: five KC dot com, so you can easily get a
Speaker 1: copy of them, and I encourage you to do it.
Speaker 1: Help this young writer out and we'll look forward to
Speaker 1: number three in the presumably series. I expect I fast
Speaker 1: forward like ten fifteen years. You're gonna have like a
Speaker 1: row of books involving these characters.
Speaker 2: I tell you what we'd like to do if if
Speaker 2: we make these into movies. It'd be fun. If you're listeners,
Speaker 2: we get some of them to be extras. Wouldn't that
Speaker 2: be fun? If we can shoot this, if we can
Speaker 2: get this soul Hulu, Netflix, Angel Studios, whoever's listening, Let's
Speaker 2: make this thing.
Speaker 1: I'll help you with the screenplay. Let's get this thing
Speaker 1: made into a movie. Lea, just put it on the
Speaker 1: lead screen. I'll sign up for a part, as long
Speaker 1: as I have to join the screen actors. Well, make
Speaker 1: you one of the good guys. Well, that will be
Speaker 1: kind of you. Seven five Nathaniel, best of luck with
Speaker 1: your book sales, and thank you for spending time with
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