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<v Speaker 1>Seven oh five. Look you by kr CD talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Thomas, A big smile on my face. Why it's Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>That's reason enough. But I also have Nathaniel Sizemorigan Studio.

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<v Speaker 1>He has an impressive resume, young man. He is. He's

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<v Speaker 1>an award winning novelist, attorney, entrepreneur, graduated from Vanderbilt Law School,

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<v Speaker 1>which I won't hold against him. Serves an associate editor

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<v Speaker 1>of the Vanderbilt Law Review. Impressive, that is. I must

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<v Speaker 1>underscore that after practicing a large firm of Washington, DC Metropolitan,

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<v Speaker 1>he returned to Cincinnati to work for his family's business.

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<v Speaker 1>He has written a couple of books. Debut thriller entitled

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<v Speaker 1>Deadly Division actually won writing awards and was named as

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<v Speaker 1>a finalists for the Hawthorne Prize. Second thriller, the Cohort

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<v Speaker 1>number one new release Legal Thriller on Amazon. And congratulations

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<v Speaker 1>to both of those. We're here to talk about those

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<v Speaker 1>books and get a little insight about Nathanael's background. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>in studio, Nathaniel. It's a real pleasure having you here, Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>Pleasure to be here, and thank you to Bob Katyre,

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<v Speaker 1>who as the reason that I even know Nathaniel. We're

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<v Speaker 1>mutual friends with Bob as a retired colonel, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>had Bob on the program multiple times talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>active shooter situations. He does classes on that. He also does,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, wound care classes, and if you're out there

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<v Speaker 1>in your business or your church group, your community group

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<v Speaker 1>is interested in that kind of thing, just find Bob Katyre. Nathaniel, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>are you a recovering lawyer since you find yourself working

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<v Speaker 1>in a family business and you're an author now as well,

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<v Speaker 1>do you still practice law at all on any level?

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<v Speaker 2>I am the corporate counsel for the family business. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so I couldn't get out of it. I had to

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<v Speaker 2>stay in it. But I wear a business hat some

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<v Speaker 2>days too.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations on that. At least you're sticking it out. Your

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<v Speaker 1>dad's in studio too. He's a lawyer as well. Never

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<v Speaker 1>did practice law, though he never did, maintains his law.

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<v Speaker 1>Agree in regardless what prompted you to write. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of listeners here who are writers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's really cool in these modern times

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<v Speaker 1>that it's I think easier to get something published because

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<v Speaker 1>you can do it on your own as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>submitting your work to multiple different publishers and wait around

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<v Speaker 1>for that probably rejection letter, because that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>I get the impression most happens, happens to most people.

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<v Speaker 1>But what inspired you to write? And did you self

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<v Speaker 1>publish or did you work through a publisher? How to work?

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<v Speaker 1>The story's cool?

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy the storylines of the books, but the story

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<v Speaker 2>of how I stumbled into this is really hopefully inspirational

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<v Speaker 2>to those. Well, that's why I ask considering a critic

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<v Speaker 2>side hustle. So we were on vacation in Kea Island,

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<v Speaker 2>South Carolina. It was twenty ten. I was going into

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<v Speaker 2>my third year of law school and I couldn't sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>I had an idea. So I pulled out my laptop

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<v Speaker 2>up and I pounded out ten pages of aimless drivel.

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<v Speaker 2>It was nonsense, but it was a start stream of consciousness.

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<v Speaker 2>Stream of consciousness. But I had this idea and I

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't put it to bed. So I wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>storyboard and wrote about fifteen or twenty percent of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then life happens. I had third year of law school,

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<v Speaker 2>I was dating a gow who's now my wife, and

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<v Speaker 2>start a job, take the bar exam all the big

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<v Speaker 2>things in life. It's sat dormant until a little thing

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<v Speaker 2>called COVID gave us all some very necessary personal time

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<v Speaker 2>to do a variety of things. So what I did

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<v Speaker 2>was I watched the season of Downton Abbey and I

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<v Speaker 2>started and I started a second one, and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I can do something better with my downtime.

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<v Speaker 2>So I finished the book and I had a small

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<v Speaker 2>press publisher friend in Atlanta BDI Publishers, send in the manuscript.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, I think you have something here, and here

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<v Speaker 2>we are two books later.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. You know, I'm friends with Peter Bronson, is

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<v Speaker 1>a brilliant guy and he's an author as well. But

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<v Speaker 1>he has his own publishing company, Chili Dog Press. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>so some local authors have worked through Peter Bronson's Chilidog

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<v Speaker 1>press dot com. By the way, if you're interested in

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a publisher, Peter's are just a It's a brilliant,

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful guy. But you know, that's why I asked you

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<v Speaker 1>the question about inspiration, because you know there are people

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<v Speaker 1>out there that have the itch, but they need someone

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<v Speaker 1>like you to demonstrate that, Yeah, it actually can be

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<v Speaker 1>done and quite successful. You are. What are your books about,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with the debut throw a Deadly Division.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, and I'd be remiss not to mention, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all glory to God for the inspiration for these books.

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<v Speaker 2>In my acknowledgments, I say to God from whom all

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<v Speaker 2>talents and blessings flow. I feel very strongly that God

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<v Speaker 2>helped me write these books. I went in ignorant as

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<v Speaker 2>to the general writing process, and He really helped me

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<v Speaker 2>on every step of the way. So I glory goes

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<v Speaker 2>to God for the success of these books. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think really the folks that like John Grisham, they like

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Brown, they like those types of novels, are really

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<v Speaker 2>going to like Deadly Division and kind of inspired by

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Brown. I start each book with a fact section,

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<v Speaker 2>and these are well researched books, but they're things that

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<v Speaker 2>are true that I want the reader to know when

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<v Speaker 2>they started. And what's really cool, Brian, is that it

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<v Speaker 2>echoes a lot of what's happening today. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>most encouraging scary comments that I get is I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if this is really happening. Oh yeah, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>this is really happening, And here's what I mean, deadly division.

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<v Speaker 2>It starts out with a very controversial piece of legislation

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson Amendment from the sixties, which says, if we give

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<v Speaker 2>tax breaks to churches, we can regulate them. So, taking

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<v Speaker 2>just a couple steps further, there's this piece of legislation

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<v Speaker 2>called the Division Act, which says that the government can

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<v Speaker 2>regulate and in fact restrict certain religious activities. And as

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<v Speaker 2>a result, a young mother loses a child, and my

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<v Speaker 2>protagonist David Steman sees an opportunity for fame and fortune

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<v Speaker 2>and takes on her case. But what he doesn't know

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<v Speaker 2>is that behind the scenes, there's a deep, sinister organization

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<v Speaker 2>that will stop at nothing, even murder, to keep the

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<v Speaker 2>secrets behind the Division Act quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, do you acknowledge and deal with the clause in

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<v Speaker 1>the First Amendment the free exercise of religion in that

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<v Speaker 1>particular context?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah. I like to research my books. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>most of it takes place in Washington, d C. And

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<v Speaker 2>many of the venues in the book I've actually been

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<v Speaker 2>to personally what I did during my process, and I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say it's an interesting process. I'm a big movie guy

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<v Speaker 2>always have been. I actually would play out the scenes

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<v Speaker 2>in my head, and then I would write what I saw,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted it to be in cool location. So,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, there's one scene in the West Conference room

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<v Speaker 2>at the US Supreme Court building. I was sworn in

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<v Speaker 2>before the US Supreme Court and we were put in

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<v Speaker 2>that room. So I actually pulled the pictures from that

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<v Speaker 2>event and tried to draw it as accurately as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's cool, and that's Deadly Division. But of course

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't stop there. David Stoneman is pulled back into

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<v Speaker 2>the fight in the Cohort, and he's lured to a

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<v Speaker 2>secret island on the Carolina coast by this organization that

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<v Speaker 2>he fought in book one, and I wanted to add

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<v Speaker 2>an extra element of danger. So there's a hurricane bearing

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<v Speaker 2>down on them, and he's being held captive in this

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<v Speaker 2>high end, super exclusive hotel by this global organization with

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<v Speaker 2>nefarious intentions, and he's trying to escape. He and all

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<v Speaker 2>the new characters that I had in book two, So

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to read Deadly Division to enjoy the Cohort.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had people pick up the Cohort first and really enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>Go Back can read deadly divisions, So either are standalones

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<v Speaker 2>and a really fun, suspenseful ride for those who like

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<v Speaker 2>legal political thrillers.

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<v Speaker 1>Legal political thrillers based upon real life realities. Boy, I

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<v Speaker 1>sure hope not. That's that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I get Facebook messages, I get text messages of

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<v Speaker 2>real events with people say this sounds a lot like

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<v Speaker 2>your book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you know, as host of the morning show here,

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<v Speaker 1>I have what we used to call conspiracy theorists we

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<v Speaker 1>are now calling pattern observers, and I'll get these instant

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<v Speaker 1>messages like did you see this? I'm talking about something

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<v Speaker 1>completely unrelated, and yet there is a relatable article or

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<v Speaker 1>link out there in the world by somebody who's purporting

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<v Speaker 1>to say this is going on. And you know, quite

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<v Speaker 1>often I raise my eyebrow in the measure of skepticism,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, it's like Abraham Lincoln said, if you

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<v Speaker 1>read it on the Internet, it's true, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And so I just find it so difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to sift through fiction and fact because of the multitude

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<v Speaker 1>know what opinions are like, They're like sphincters we've all

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<v Speaker 1>got one, and somebody's spewing some sort of nonsensical garbage

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, which someone will grab a hold of

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<v Speaker 1>and purport to be fact, like it's Donald Trump's fault

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<v Speaker 1>that the helicopter flew into an airplane. Now where did

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<v Speaker 1>right now, you can see a real time. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the problem, the problematic thing, but which makes your type

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<v Speaker 1>of works come across as plausible and real.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote the types of books that I would want

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<v Speaker 2>to read, and I'll tell you on my on my

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<v Speaker 2>wish list is for these to be made into movies or.

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<v Speaker 1>Serious I bet well. And something tells me along the

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<v Speaker 1>lines of Grisham and others that there probably is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a third book involving the same characters. There

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Thomas here wishing everybody very happy Friday. Remember Tech

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<v Speaker 1>Friday with Dave had it for just tuning in. Awesome

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<v Speaker 1>segment with Dave as always did the podcast fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>KRC dot Com at in studio. Nathaniel Says, a Sizemore attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>author and quite an author. He is, he's got a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of books he's written, and an inspiration in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of those folks out there in the world that are

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<v Speaker 1>looking to maybe be a writer. You have an idea

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<v Speaker 1>be done again. I'll mentioned Peter Brownson and chilidogpress dot

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<v Speaker 1>using Amazon's I have some listeners who just did it

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<v Speaker 1>directly through Amazon, had their own self published book. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's just the world is a different place today than

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<v Speaker 1>Now we were talking offline and the predicate for your

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<v Speaker 1>deadly division. That that idea that they could pass a

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<v Speaker 1>law in order to control the narrative about religion and

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<v Speaker 1>what is how words are spoken in church is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of frightening reality like we have with the government manipulating

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook for example, and going in with FBI agents and

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<v Speaker 1>suppressing messages. I mean that is a dangerous, dangerous concept.

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<v Speaker 1>But off air you were mentioning a quote from Woodrow Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>You should probably read it because it reminded me of

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<v Speaker 1>a comment or two that Judge Enteredopolitan has made to

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<v Speaker 1>it is our politicians let us down from time to time.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead and read that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So this is in the fact section of

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<v Speaker 2>my second book, The Cohort. In his book The New

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<v Speaker 2>Freedom of Call for the Emancipation of the Generous Energies

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<v Speaker 2>of a People from nineteen thirteen, President Woodrow Wilson wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the biggest men in the US are afraid

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<v Speaker 2>of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there

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<v Speaker 2>is a power somewhere, so organized, so subtle, so watchful,

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<v Speaker 2>so interlock, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And as soon as you read that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>got chills up my spine. Again, that's a that's a

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<v Speaker 1>quote from Woodrow Wilson. And then along came Jay Edgar Hoover,

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<v Speaker 1>we have he filmed with our John F. Kennedy having

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<v Speaker 1>Luther King Junior. He had the goods on every president

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<v Speaker 1>and senators and politicians, and he literally threatened them with

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<v Speaker 1>exposing this. This, of course a different time. Morally speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>I think most people elected officials, if they've had a

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<v Speaker 1>everybody does it, and big deal, so did everybody else,

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<v Speaker 1>And look at all the presidents who philandered and blah

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<v Speaker 1>your moral value system, not mine, but judgment. Paulitano has

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<v Speaker 1>sort of suggested, if not directly indirectly, that he fears

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<v Speaker 1>that many. When you wonder why in the hell it

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<v Speaker 1>is your elected official voted a certain way in defiance

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<v Speaker 1>they have out loud claimed to be near and dear

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<v Speaker 1>their hearts, and they vote something polar opposite. It may

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<v Speaker 1>be because that type of nefarious actor has the goods

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<v Speaker 1>on them. Maybe they know their Internet searches what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of porn they're watching, or that they're actually a homosexual,

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. It doesn't matter if you want to hide

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<v Speaker 1>may capitulate to their sort of blackmail.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's the concept of is there a deep

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<v Speaker 2>state organization of puppet masters that really run the show?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's scary real about Deadly Division is that I

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<v Speaker 2>was able to during COVID extract some of the restrictions

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<v Speaker 2>that were a result of the coronavirus and add them

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no kidding, I was.

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<v Speaker 2>And the restriction is actually on corporate prayer in the

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<v Speaker 2>Division Act. It's a restriction on corporate prayer, which is

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<v Speaker 2>group prayer. Of course, if you can't congregate, then you

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<v Speaker 2>can't have corporate prayer. And as a result, a young

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<v Speaker 2>healed from with the benefit of corporate prayer. So when

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<v Speaker 2>that religious action was restricted, he passed away. So the

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<v Speaker 2>question is what's what's a bit scary about this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is that's.

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<v Speaker 1>What they did during COVID, And it's not new.

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<v Speaker 2>This the concept from then Senator Lyndon Johnson in the

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<v Speaker 2>sixties said, and it was called the Johnson Amendment.

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<v Speaker 1>You can look it up, give it a Google.

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<v Speaker 2>It was if we give tax breaks to religious institutions,

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<v Speaker 2>we can regulate them.

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<v Speaker 1>Right with corporate With federal money, come federal regulations. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you're excused from the obligation, that excusing can also

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<v Speaker 1>come with strings attached.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And that's that's what's scary, is when there's an overreach,

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<v Speaker 2>but not just an overreach, an over reach that appears

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<v Speaker 2>to come from a member of Congress, but who is

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<v Speaker 2>the puppet of a deeper, darker global organization. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>what the Cohort really focuses in on. Is it digs

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<v Speaker 2>into that global organization.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have a particular person in mind when you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about the global organization? Because to me, it's always

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<v Speaker 1>like George sorows He. You know, he represents the ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes dark force, at least in so far

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<v Speaker 1>as pushing liberal policy and agenda and globalism. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>got fat Bank and funds a lot of these non

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<v Speaker 1>governmental organizations who undermine at least my personal belief systems.

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<v Speaker 2>So I always planned and I get this question all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, is you know xyz character is that me?

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<v Speaker 2>It seems a lot like me, And the answer is

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<v Speaker 2>almost never yes. It's almost never yes. But what I

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<v Speaker 2>did was I came up with the idea of a

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<v Speaker 2>character that would fulfill the role. And yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it is a combination of several personality traits which you

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<v Speaker 2>can find in the news the.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing Seize More, author of Deadly Division and the Cohort,

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<v Speaker 1>both of which will be on my blog page fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five KC dot com, so you can easily get a

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<v Speaker 1>copy of them, and I encourage you to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Help this young writer out and we'll look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>number three in the presumably series. I expect I fast

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<v Speaker 1>forward like ten fifteen years. You're gonna have like a

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<v Speaker 1>row of books involving these characters.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you what we'd like to do if if

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<v Speaker 2>we make these into movies. It'd be fun. If you're listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>we get some of them to be extras. Wouldn't that

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<v Speaker 2>be fun? If we can shoot this, if we can

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<v Speaker 2>get this soul Hulu, Netflix, Angel Studios, whoever's listening, Let's

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<v Speaker 2>make this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll help you with the screenplay. Let's get this thing

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<v Speaker 1>made into a movie. Lea, just put it on the

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<v Speaker 1>lead screen. I'll sign up for a part, as long

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<v Speaker 1>as I have to join the screen actors. Well, make

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<v Speaker 1>you one of the good guys. Well, that will be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of you. Seven five Nathaniel, best of luck with

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<v Speaker 1>your book sales, and thank you for spending time with

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<v Speaker 1>my listeners and me this morning here on the Morning show.

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