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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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In this episode, we're picking up where we left off

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with a Johanna Schoberg deposition, so let's dive right back in. Manager,

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all right, tell me the second time. How long was

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it before you got another sort of contact from anybody

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at the home? Answer? Okay, well after that. I remember,

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actually that day of working, I sat with Glene outside

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on this outside table on the patio by the pool.

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I told her that I was getting ready to go

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to Nicaragua for spring break on a mission trip. I

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remember her going, why would you ever go to Nicaragua?

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So I was going to be gone for the next

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week for spring break. So she called after I returned

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and asked if I wanted to make one hundred dollars

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an hour rubbing feet? Manager? Was that the whole conversation? Answer?

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That was pretty much it. I said, okay, sure, tell

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me when manager and you were excited about the prospect

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of rubbing feet and making a hundred bucks. Answer? I

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was actually with while I was on the trip in Nicaragua,

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I was rubbing feet. I was massaging people their feet.

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So it just seemed kind of crazy that it all

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happened at the same time. Manager, how was it rubbing feet? Answer?

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I guess I just like doing it. I didn't know

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that I did, but I was massaging people's feet. Manager.

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Were these strangers? Answer no, no, no, no no. It

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was a group of us that went on the trip,

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so we were all very close. Manager. What kind of

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trip was it? Answer? It was a well PBA. You

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had to do these things called workship hours, which you

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had to do community service forty hours each year, and

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so that was the way to do them all. And

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you would go on these trips and help build a school,

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or feed children or do some sort of something nice.

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Manager Nice. What other trips did you take while you

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were there? Answer? I did a trip and work with

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Habitat for Humanity in Baltimore, and then I went back

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to Nicaragua the next year and did the same thing. Manager.

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Very nice. And you were there for a whole week?

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Answer yes, Manager, all right, So you got a call

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from Glaine after you returned. Answer yes, manager, and that's

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when she asked you about feet? Answer yes, Manager. And

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did she tell you when she would like you to

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come over? Answer it was either that night or the

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next day. Manager, And do you know how you got there?

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Answer no, Manager. Do you know what you were wearing?

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Answer No, I don't remember, manager, when you got there.

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I think you said you don't remember if Golaine was

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actually there the second time. Answer. I want to believe

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that she was there because she was my main contact,

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and so I would assume that she was probably at

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the home and greeted me. However, I do not recall

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if she was there. Manager, it sounds like you met

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Emmy Taylor. Answer yes, Manager, how did you meet Emmy Taylor? Answer?

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She was at the house the first day that I worked,

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running errands, and I realized she was also a personal

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assistant type of person. Manager. Do you know who she

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worked for? Answer she well, Golaane. It appeared to me

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that she worked for Golaine. Glaine sort of told her

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what to do and where to go. Manager, And I

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believe you mentioned she called her her slave. Answer she did.

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It was in a joking way, but she said, yes,

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that's my slave. Manager. You did not see her in

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any type of slavery situation? Answer not any change or

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anything of the sort. No, Manager, So tell me what

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you remember about the second time you went. Answer the

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third time, Ms McAuley objection. Manager, I'm sorry, you're right

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third time. The second time you went to work, but

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the third time you were there. Answer correct. So I

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was escorted up to the bathroom, which is where ninety

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nine percent of the massages happened, and Emmy Taylor was

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there with me and Jeffrey. I don't remember the order,

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but Emmy was on the table. At one point she

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took off all of her clothes got on the table.

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I remember thinking, Okay, she's just going to strip naked

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and get on the table. Well, that's cool, We're cool.

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That's what we do. And Jeffrey was showing me had

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a massage on her body, and when I took my

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clothes off and got on the table, and they then

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showed me what it felt like with the both of them,

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and then Jeffrey got on the table and Emmy showed

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me how to massage. Manager. So Glaine was not in

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the room. Answer No, Managers, you said that ninety nine

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percent of the massages took place in the bathroom. Did

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you see massages take place in other places of the

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house at all? Answer? Did I see any? No? Besides

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us maybe hanging out on the couch and someone massaging

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his foot or me massaging his foot, but not like

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on a table. Manager, So just casual foot rubbing might

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happen elsewhere in the home, but not a full blown

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full body massage. McCauley objection. The witness answer is yes, manager.

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Did you see any full blown full body massages out

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by the pool? Answer not that I recall, manager. And

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do you remember ever giving any yourself answer by the

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pool manager out by the pool? Yes answer on a table. Manager. Yes,

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you said that you had subsequently been trained as a

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massage therapist. Correct answer correct. Manager. Would you describe it

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as a normal massage protocol for a person to be

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naked under a towel during a massage a regular massage

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McCauley objection, The witness naked under a towel during a

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massage the person getting massaged manager, Yes answer yeah, manager.

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And as a massage therapist, you're trained how to drape

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the person so that they're covered in the right places.

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Correct answer yes, menager. So when you were being trained

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by Emmy and Jeffrey on some massage techniques, did anyone

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say anything sexual during the conversation? Answer not that, I recall, menager.

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What was the mood like, was it you know? Laughing? Answer? Yes, comfortable, Menager.

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And just to clarify, the people who were giving the

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massages at the various points in time were clothed while

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they were doing that. Correct Ms McCauley, objection. Manager, in

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this period you just described with Emmy, Taylor and Jeffrey

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in a bathroom upstairs on your third visit to the home,

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people giving the massages had their clothes on. Correct answer correct, Menager,

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All right, what was the next time you remember coming

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to the house there? Answer? The next time was to

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do a massage all by myself. Manager. Okay, and how

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did that one come about? Answer? Hm, someone must have

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called me, but I don't remember who. Menager? And to

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whom did you give the massage on this next visit

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to the house? Answer Jeffrey. Manager was Glaine present during

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that massage? Answer? No? Manager, did anything unusual occur during

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that massage? Answer after Manager, what happened after the massage? Answer?

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He asked me how well do I orgasm? And I

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said I don't. I'm a virgin, and he was quite surprised. Manager,

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Where were you when you were having this discussion? Answer

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in the bathroom? Manager, were you clothed answer yes, Manager.

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Was he clothed? Answer? I don't remember him being naked.

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He was probably either wrapped with a towel or in

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a bathrobe. Manager. Were you caught off guard by this question? Answer? Yes, Manager.

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Was that the first time anyone had said anything sexual

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to you during this answer? Ever? Yes, Manager. Did he

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say anything else that you recalled during that conversation? Answer?

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I mean we had a little bit of a conversation

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about it, but I don't recall specifically. Manager. And how

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did that massage encounter end? Answer normal? There was nothing

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I had to do, so just normal massage. Manager. Did

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he pay you? Answer? Yes? Manager? How much did he

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pay you? Answer two hundred dollars Manager. How did he

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pay you? Answer cash? Manager? And where was the cash? Answer?

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I don't recall specifically. It was either he brought it

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upstairs with him or it would have been down on

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his desk. Manager. And I'm assuming that you had other

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massages that you gave under similar circumstances in the next

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year's right answer many, right, Manager, So recalling this particular

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one is not sticking out in your mind? Answer yes McAuley. Objection, Menager,

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do you remember the next time after that answer, I don't.

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I mean from there, it's just a blur of random

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invites to come over and do it. Massage was like

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I would see him maybe three days in a row,

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and then I wouldn't see him for two months. It

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wasn't herregular schedule. Menager. Do you ever recall a time

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where you came over every day for three weeks in

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a row? Answer no, Menager. Were you paid two hundred

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dollars per massage? Answer yes, Menager. And how long did

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the massage last? Answer anywhere from thirty minutes to an

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hour and a half. Menager. Did you ever give a

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four hour massage to him? Answer good grief, No, not

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that I recall. Menager. Have you ever given a four

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hour massage to anyone in your whole life? Answer no,

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I have not. Menager. Tell me how the whole idea

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of traveling to New York came up? Answer? I actually

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was not home. They called my my apartment. My roommate answered.

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When I got home, she said, you need to call

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Jeffrey Epstein immediately. He wants to take you to New York.

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But they are leaving at four. And I was excited

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because I had never been to New York. Menager, are

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you from redacted? Answer? I am manager, But you never

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went to New York? Answer just flying over it. When

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you said they called, do you know who called your roommate? Answer?

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I don't know who called my roommate. Menager, Is this

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sort of pre trip to New York period? Do you

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recall discussing any of the particulars of your massage with

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Jeffrey with Glaine McAuley. Objection manager, if that makes sense?

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Answer no, Menager. So before you got this call, had

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anyone mentioned the idea of traveling to you? Answer no? Manager.

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Did you call Jeffrey immediately? Answer? I did? Manager? And

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what conversation did you have with them? Answer basically, he said,

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I want to take you to New York City? Can

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you be here quickly? And I got to the house

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and he said, do you have a passport? I said no,

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He said go get it. So I went back and

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picked up my passport and went back to his house

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before we went to the airport. Manager And why did

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you need your passport? Answer I was ready to find out.

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I had no idea Menager, this was the spontaneous phase.

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Answer exactly, Manager, So you went and got your passport?

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You came back and then what happened? Answer? Then we

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went to the airport? Manager? And who is we? Answer?

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So I don't remember the ride to the airport, but

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the people that I recall being on the plane was Jeffrey, Glaine,

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Virginia and I. Manager. And was the first time you

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met Virginia? Answer? I believe it was that day. Manager,

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in your previous visits to the house, had you seen

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her there? Answer not that I recall, Menager. And what

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was your impression the first day you met her? Answer?

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She seemed young and blonde and cute. Manager. What was

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her personality like? Answer? I honestly don't recall her personality bubbly. Manager.

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Did you see her in the plane or on the

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trip to New York engaged in any kind of affectionate

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or sexual contact with Jeffrey? Answer no? Menager with Glaine?

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Answer no, Menager. How did it come to be that

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you were in a casino in a city? Answer? We

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As we were flying, Jeffrey said, why don't you go

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sit in the cockpit to check out the landing. So

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we were sitting there and the pilots told me to

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go back and tell them that we can't land in

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New York and that we were going to have to

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land in Atlantic City. Jeffrey said, great, we'll call up

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Trump and we'll go to I don't recall the name

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of the casino, but we'll go to the casino manager.

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And what happened with the ID issue? McAuley objection. Shoeburg

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goes on to answer, all I knew is that she

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was not going to be allowed to gamble, and so

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I spent time with her. We were just walking around.

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I don't remember what we did because either she didn't

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have an ID or she was too young. I don't

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remember specifically why. I just remember that she could not gamble. Menager. Okay,

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so you just walked around with her in Atlantic City?

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Answer on huh in the casinos? We never left the

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casino manager. Were you disappointed that you couldn't gamble? Answer? No, Manager,

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When you were walking around and talking to her, did

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you learn anything about her? Answer? Not that I recall, Menager.

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Did you have an impression about why she was on

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the trip? Answer? At that point, no, I was so

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new to the whole thing. I was just trying to

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figure out my position and who everybody was. At that point,

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I had no idea. I didn't know anything sexual was

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happening at all, so I just felt like she was

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just another visitor. Menager. Did she tell you at that

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time that she had been to New York with Jeffrey before?

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Answer not that I recall. Menager. Did she tell you

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anything about Glaine during that walk about? Answer no, Menager.

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And then you all traveled to New York on that

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same night? Answer yes, Menager. How long were you in

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New York for on that visit? Answer it was maybe

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two nights. Manager. And where did you sleep at night? Answer?

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I slept in one of the guest rooms at his

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townhouse at seventy first Street. Manager. And did you stay

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in the same room as Virginia? Answer no, Menager. Do

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you know where she stayed? Answer no. All right, folks,

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We're going to wrap up this episode right here, and

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in the next episode on the topic, we'll pick up

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where we left off. All of the information that goes

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with this episode can be found in the description box.