Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
In this episode, we're picking up where we left off
with a Johanna Schoberg deposition, so let's dive right back in. Manager,
all right, tell me the second time. How long was
it before you got another sort of contact from anybody
at the home? Answer? Okay, well after that. I remember,
actually that day of working, I sat with Glene outside
on this outside table on the patio by the pool.
I told her that I was getting ready to go
to Nicaragua for spring break on a mission trip. I
remember her going, why would you ever go to Nicaragua?
So I was going to be gone for the next
week for spring break. So she called after I returned
and asked if I wanted to make one hundred dollars
an hour rubbing feet? Manager? Was that the whole conversation? Answer?
That was pretty much it. I said, okay, sure, tell
me when manager and you were excited about the prospect
of rubbing feet and making a hundred bucks. Answer? I
was actually with while I was on the trip in Nicaragua,
I was rubbing feet. I was massaging people their feet.
So it just seemed kind of crazy that it all
happened at the same time. Manager, how was it rubbing feet? Answer?
I guess I just like doing it. I didn't know
that I did, but I was massaging people's feet. Manager.
Were these strangers? Answer no, no, no, no no. It
was a group of us that went on the trip,
so we were all very close. Manager. What kind of
trip was it? Answer? It was a well PBA. You
had to do these things called workship hours, which you
had to do community service forty hours each year, and
so that was the way to do them all. And
you would go on these trips and help build a school,
or feed children or do some sort of something nice.
Manager Nice. What other trips did you take while you
were there? Answer? I did a trip and work with
Habitat for Humanity in Baltimore, and then I went back
to Nicaragua the next year and did the same thing. Manager.
Very nice. And you were there for a whole week?
Answer yes, Manager, all right, So you got a call
from Glaine after you returned. Answer yes, manager, and that's
when she asked you about feet? Answer yes, Manager. And
did she tell you when she would like you to
come over? Answer it was either that night or the
next day. Manager, And do you know how you got there?
Answer no, Manager. Do you know what you were wearing?
Answer No, I don't remember, manager, when you got there.
I think you said you don't remember if Golaine was
actually there the second time. Answer. I want to believe
that she was there because she was my main contact,
and so I would assume that she was probably at
the home and greeted me. However, I do not recall
if she was there. Manager, it sounds like you met
Emmy Taylor. Answer yes, Manager, how did you meet Emmy Taylor? Answer?
She was at the house the first day that I worked,
running errands, and I realized she was also a personal
assistant type of person. Manager. Do you know who she
worked for? Answer she well, Golaane. It appeared to me
that she worked for Golaine. Glaine sort of told her
what to do and where to go. Manager, And I
believe you mentioned she called her her slave. Answer she did.
It was in a joking way, but she said, yes,
that's my slave. Manager. You did not see her in
any type of slavery situation? Answer not any change or
anything of the sort. No, Manager, So tell me what
you remember about the second time you went. Answer the
third time, Ms McAuley objection. Manager, I'm sorry, you're right
third time. The second time you went to work, but
the third time you were there. Answer correct. So I
was escorted up to the bathroom, which is where ninety
nine percent of the massages happened, and Emmy Taylor was
there with me and Jeffrey. I don't remember the order,
but Emmy was on the table. At one point she
took off all of her clothes got on the table.
I remember thinking, Okay, she's just going to strip naked
and get on the table. Well, that's cool, We're cool.
That's what we do. And Jeffrey was showing me had
a massage on her body, and when I took my
clothes off and got on the table, and they then
showed me what it felt like with the both of them,
and then Jeffrey got on the table and Emmy showed
me how to massage. Manager. So Glaine was not in
the room. Answer No, Managers, you said that ninety nine
percent of the massages took place in the bathroom. Did
you see massages take place in other places of the
house at all? Answer? Did I see any? No? Besides
us maybe hanging out on the couch and someone massaging
his foot or me massaging his foot, but not like
on a table. Manager, So just casual foot rubbing might
happen elsewhere in the home, but not a full blown
full body massage. McCauley objection. The witness answer is yes, manager.
Did you see any full blown full body massages out
by the pool? Answer not that I recall, manager. And
do you remember ever giving any yourself answer by the
pool manager out by the pool? Yes answer on a table. Manager. Yes,
you said that you had subsequently been trained as a
massage therapist. Correct answer correct. Manager. Would you describe it
as a normal massage protocol for a person to be
naked under a towel during a massage a regular massage
McCauley objection, The witness naked under a towel during a
massage the person getting massaged manager, Yes answer yeah, manager.
And as a massage therapist, you're trained how to drape
the person so that they're covered in the right places.
Correct answer yes, menager. So when you were being trained
by Emmy and Jeffrey on some massage techniques, did anyone
say anything sexual during the conversation? Answer not that, I recall, menager.
What was the mood like, was it you know? Laughing? Answer? Yes, comfortable, Menager.
And just to clarify, the people who were giving the
massages at the various points in time were clothed while
they were doing that. Correct Ms McCauley, objection. Manager, in
this period you just described with Emmy, Taylor and Jeffrey
in a bathroom upstairs on your third visit to the home,
people giving the massages had their clothes on. Correct answer correct, Menager,
All right, what was the next time you remember coming
to the house there? Answer? The next time was to
do a massage all by myself. Manager. Okay, and how
did that one come about? Answer? Hm, someone must have
called me, but I don't remember who. Menager? And to
whom did you give the massage on this next visit
to the house? Answer Jeffrey. Manager was Glaine present during
that massage? Answer? No? Manager, did anything unusual occur during
that massage? Answer after Manager, what happened after the massage? Answer?
He asked me how well do I orgasm? And I
said I don't. I'm a virgin, and he was quite surprised. Manager,
Where were you when you were having this discussion? Answer
in the bathroom? Manager, were you clothed answer yes, Manager.
Was he clothed? Answer? I don't remember him being naked.
He was probably either wrapped with a towel or in
a bathrobe. Manager. Were you caught off guard by this question? Answer? Yes, Manager.
Was that the first time anyone had said anything sexual
to you during this answer? Ever? Yes, Manager. Did he
say anything else that you recalled during that conversation? Answer?
I mean we had a little bit of a conversation
about it, but I don't recall specifically. Manager. And how
did that massage encounter end? Answer normal? There was nothing
I had to do, so just normal massage. Manager. Did
he pay you? Answer? Yes? Manager? How much did he
pay you? Answer two hundred dollars Manager. How did he
pay you? Answer cash? Manager? And where was the cash? Answer?
I don't recall specifically. It was either he brought it
upstairs with him or it would have been down on
his desk. Manager. And I'm assuming that you had other
massages that you gave under similar circumstances in the next
year's right answer many, right, Manager, So recalling this particular
one is not sticking out in your mind? Answer yes McAuley. Objection, Menager,
do you remember the next time after that answer, I don't.
I mean from there, it's just a blur of random
invites to come over and do it. Massage was like
I would see him maybe three days in a row,
and then I wouldn't see him for two months. It
wasn't herregular schedule. Menager. Do you ever recall a time
where you came over every day for three weeks in
a row? Answer no, Menager. Were you paid two hundred
dollars per massage? Answer yes, Menager. And how long did
the massage last? Answer anywhere from thirty minutes to an
hour and a half. Menager. Did you ever give a
four hour massage to him? Answer good grief, No, not
that I recall. Menager. Have you ever given a four
hour massage to anyone in your whole life? Answer no,
I have not. Menager. Tell me how the whole idea
of traveling to New York came up? Answer? I actually
was not home. They called my my apartment. My roommate answered.
When I got home, she said, you need to call
Jeffrey Epstein immediately. He wants to take you to New York.
But they are leaving at four. And I was excited
because I had never been to New York. Menager, are
you from redacted? Answer? I am manager, But you never
went to New York? Answer just flying over it. When
you said they called, do you know who called your roommate? Answer?
I don't know who called my roommate. Menager, Is this
sort of pre trip to New York period? Do you
recall discussing any of the particulars of your massage with
Jeffrey with Glaine McAuley. Objection manager, if that makes sense?
Answer no, Menager. So before you got this call, had
anyone mentioned the idea of traveling to you? Answer no? Manager.
Did you call Jeffrey immediately? Answer? I did? Manager? And
what conversation did you have with them? Answer basically, he said,
I want to take you to New York City? Can
you be here quickly? And I got to the house
and he said, do you have a passport? I said no,
He said go get it. So I went back and
picked up my passport and went back to his house
before we went to the airport. Manager And why did
you need your passport? Answer I was ready to find out.
I had no idea Menager, this was the spontaneous phase.
Answer exactly, Manager, So you went and got your passport?
You came back and then what happened? Answer? Then we
went to the airport? Manager? And who is we? Answer?
So I don't remember the ride to the airport, but
the people that I recall being on the plane was Jeffrey, Glaine,
Virginia and I. Manager. And was the first time you
met Virginia? Answer? I believe it was that day. Manager,
in your previous visits to the house, had you seen
her there? Answer not that I recall, Menager. And what
was your impression the first day you met her? Answer?
She seemed young and blonde and cute. Manager. What was
her personality like? Answer? I honestly don't recall her personality bubbly. Manager.
Did you see her in the plane or on the
trip to New York engaged in any kind of affectionate
or sexual contact with Jeffrey? Answer no? Menager with Glaine?
Answer no, Menager. How did it come to be that
you were in a casino in a city? Answer? We
As we were flying, Jeffrey said, why don't you go
sit in the cockpit to check out the landing. So
we were sitting there and the pilots told me to
go back and tell them that we can't land in
New York and that we were going to have to
land in Atlantic City. Jeffrey said, great, we'll call up
Trump and we'll go to I don't recall the name
of the casino, but we'll go to the casino manager.
And what happened with the ID issue? McAuley objection. Shoeburg
goes on to answer, all I knew is that she
was not going to be allowed to gamble, and so
I spent time with her. We were just walking around.
I don't remember what we did because either she didn't
have an ID or she was too young. I don't
remember specifically why. I just remember that she could not gamble. Menager. Okay,
so you just walked around with her in Atlantic City?
Answer on huh in the casinos? We never left the
casino manager. Were you disappointed that you couldn't gamble? Answer? No, Manager,
When you were walking around and talking to her, did
you learn anything about her? Answer? Not that I recall, Menager.
Did you have an impression about why she was on
the trip? Answer? At that point, no, I was so
new to the whole thing. I was just trying to
figure out my position and who everybody was. At that point,
I had no idea. I didn't know anything sexual was
happening at all, so I just felt like she was
just another visitor. Menager. Did she tell you at that
time that she had been to New York with Jeffrey before?
Answer not that I recall. Menager. Did she tell you
anything about Glaine during that walk about? Answer no, Menager.
And then you all traveled to New York on that
same night? Answer yes, Menager. How long were you in
New York for on that visit? Answer it was maybe
two nights. Manager. And where did you sleep at night? Answer?
I slept in one of the guest rooms at his
townhouse at seventy first Street. Manager. And did you stay
in the same room as Virginia? Answer no, Menager. Do
you know where she stayed? Answer no. All right, folks,
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