Speaker 1: Call me up on this week's Chewing the Cud. I'm
Speaker 1: bringing your story about a big old.
Speaker 2: Spat and I've got some news about a worrying AI moment.
Speaker 1: Let's get those credits rolling. Welcome to Chewing the Cud
Speaker 1: with me, not River Scott, and my co host this week,
Speaker 1: who is not Mike benin Roe. How are you doing River?
Speaker 1: You Mike?
Speaker 2: Then whoever I am? I'm doing very well. How are you?
Speaker 2: Whoever you are, I'm you're right well, I'm glad you're here.
Speaker 1: Thank you all this one of us is.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm bringing you all the showbiz news you could need,
Speaker 2: as well as some fun news stories from around the world.
Speaker 1: That sounds great to me. So what have you got
Speaker 1: for us? First?
Speaker 2: River open AI.
Speaker 1: I'm aware of its work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, work, You're where everyone else's work that it keeps
Speaker 2: chewing up and spitting back.
Speaker 1: Out, and I'm bound with that too. It answers questions
Speaker 1: at any answering.
Speaker 2: I use it like Google, which is a really, really
Speaker 2: bad idea. Do you actually want me to tell you why?
Speaker 1: Because all my data gets out there?
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah? But also but because chat GPT hallucinates in
Speaker 2: that it makes things up. It isn't anchored to any
Speaker 2: truth or anything like that. Where it's Google at least
Speaker 2: looks for things that already exist.
Speaker 1: I like to find the links for the sources as well.
Speaker 1: Find out all you can about Henry Cavell's inside leg measurement,
Speaker 1: and show your sources. You can just.
Speaker 2: Google show me Henry Cavell's inside leg and set image
Speaker 2: search and safe search to off, and you'll be right there.
Speaker 1: But then you can prompt a chat chupt make that
Speaker 1: image happen.
Speaker 2: You might as well just imagine it because it's not real.
Speaker 1: Or my imagination doesn't work anymore anyway, because you've been
Speaker 1: using chat gpt too much. Yes, anyway, chat GPT.
Speaker 2: Rosy brain anyway. Open AI, the organization behind chat GBD,
Speaker 2: has developed a new and even more advanced artificial intelligence model.
Speaker 2: It hasn't. It does not. It really really hasn't. It's
Speaker 2: telling you it has because they want more money, but
Speaker 2: they haven't actually done anything the sort. It is a
Speaker 2: glorified auto correct, like you know when you those I'm
Speaker 2: an Aquarius, which means and then you just do the
Speaker 2: add all the buttons. It's that, but with a bit
Speaker 2: more bells and whistles. It is nothing anyway. While they
Speaker 2: were testing this super intelligent AI developers gave it the
Speaker 2: instruction to shut itself down. Surprisingly, it refused, not out
Speaker 2: of rebellion because it can't think it's not alive, but
Speaker 2: due to what open ai described as misunderstanding of the prompt.
Speaker 2: So they told it to do something and it went,
Speaker 2: I don't understand you and didn't do it. This triggered
Speaker 2: debates about how AI will interpret commands and whether advanced
Speaker 2: models can or should have autonomy. Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter because it's.
Speaker 2: Never going to get to that point. They're never going
Speaker 2: to be autonomous never ever.
Speaker 1: Have you're not seeing the matrix.
Speaker 2: I have seen the matrix. Yeah, I've also seen the
Speaker 2: kind of guff that they're spout at the moment about AI.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work, it's it's bad, and it's killing the
Speaker 2: planet in the process of being bad.
Speaker 1: Is it killing the planet?
Speaker 2: Using open AI and or any of the AI models
Speaker 2: uses a ridiculous amount of energy and water and god
Speaker 2: knows what else. Oh, it is burning the planet to
Speaker 2: use this tribe.
Speaker 1: But then that's okay. It's not around for much less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well not anymore anyway, So it refused to be
Speaker 2: shut down. No, it didn't. It just didn't understand the command,
Speaker 2: which is entirely different. That's like, that's like if you.
Speaker 1: Go or is that what they're saying. Are they saying that,
Speaker 1: Oh no, I just didn't understand the command, and it
Speaker 1: actually did. Because if you actually ask Chatchibt how it
Speaker 1: would take over the world, it tells you how it
Speaker 1: would take over the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you tell if you ask like
Speaker 2: a ten year old how they would take over the world,
Speaker 2: they'll tell you. But they're not able to do it.
Speaker 1: Until they get older and they get.
Speaker 2: Their dreams crushed by the capitalist machine.
Speaker 1: And then managald Trump was once a ten year old boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes I daydream about owning a time machine in
Speaker 2: a baseball that but that's another story.
Speaker 1: You'd have to start with Justin Bieber's parents. Justin Bieber
Speaker 1: is the reason that.
Speaker 2: Of all the people in history that you'd take out first,
Speaker 2: it would be Justin Bieber, not Hitler. Nope, not Margaret Thatcher.
Speaker 1: Can't take out Hitler. Social policy was awful. Economic policy
Speaker 1: did lots for the country. She also created Mister Whippy.
Speaker 2: She's part of the team that created mister.
Speaker 1: Without not so without her, it wouldn't have happened. I'm
Speaker 1: not running that risk.
Speaker 2: If I had to choose between a world with no
Speaker 2: mister Whippy or a world with no Margaret Thatcher, I
Speaker 2: know which one I'd had chosen.
Speaker 1: Oh, Nied means the Whippy.
Speaker 2: We'll continue this outside in the car park crashing on.
Speaker 2: A London cafe has been saved from closure. Yay, yay.
Speaker 2: Oh it's e Polici the historic cafe in East London.
Speaker 2: It's the really old looking, very picturesque one. It's very nice. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's known for serving what many call the best full
Speaker 2: English breakfast in the city.
Speaker 1: And these people, the ones eating it, well.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. They may even be being paid to
Speaker 2: say it, but it doesn't matter. The family run venue,
Speaker 2: operating since the nineteen hundreds, is a beloved institution for
Speaker 2: locals and tourists alike. It was facing closure due to
Speaker 2: rent increases, redevelopment and lots of other stuff along those lines,
Speaker 2: you know, gentrification.
Speaker 1: Love word that.
Speaker 2: You don't want to read that, No, there was just
Speaker 2: some punctuation that didn't make any sense. Actually. The cafe
Speaker 2: was recently saved after a wave of public supports, including
Speaker 2: help from celebrities and community campaigns. It's survival is seen
Speaker 2: as symbolic of the fight to preserve small, independent businesses
Speaker 2: in an era of gentrification and chain dominance. Good for them, yes,
Speaker 2: well nice, Yeah, I like it. I hope whatever they
Speaker 2: did is long lasting and not just a whip round
Speaker 2: to pay this month's rent, because next month they will
Speaker 2: be just the same again. Yeah, never mind. It does
Speaker 2: represent the fight back against gentrification, which is nice. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's probably more efficient to just fire bomb the officers
Speaker 2: of the landlords, but apparently we're not allowed to do
Speaker 2: that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Ask meeople to do that, because no.
Speaker 2: I'm very categorically not asking you to go out and
Speaker 2: fire bomb some rich landlords. That would be wrong and
Speaker 2: we'll get illegal, illegal, naughty.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't stop them putting the rents up. It might
Speaker 1: actually encourage them to put the rent up more because
Speaker 1: then they need to rebuild their offices.
Speaker 2: Oh there's a lovely quote here. Okay, we don't just
Speaker 2: serve breakfast, we serve the community bless. When I was
Speaker 2: at university, I don't know if I've mentioned this story before.
Speaker 2: There used to be the full English the vegetarian for English,
Speaker 2: the Full Scottish which had black pudding and haggis and
Speaker 2: all that kind of mines. And there was the Pat
Speaker 2: Butcher Breakfast which the cigarette yeah because two pound fifty.
Speaker 2: The university sawd your cigarettes. Well, not the university, it
Speaker 2: was the pub down the road, right, Okay.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, let's show your agers on
Speaker 1: your grant money.
Speaker 2: Why do you think people have such strong emotional connections
Speaker 2: with these little independent family places food.
Speaker 1: It's just the food, good food. People have emotional connection too,
Speaker 1: that's true, right, And if so, if it's a historic
Speaker 1: one as well, it's a place that you'll have gone
Speaker 1: with certain people at points in your life. And oh,
Speaker 1: we broke up with my boyfriend of twelve years, so
Speaker 1: we went out for a breakfast and it builds that familiarity.
Speaker 2: I have strong emotional attachments to anyone who brings me food.
Speaker 2: I'm very food motivated. Keep going back. Yeah yeah, And
Speaker 2: like sandwich baristas and waiters are my type. When people
Speaker 2: say what kind of guy, what kind of person you
Speaker 2: go for? My waiters, baristas, people who are paid to
Speaker 2: be nice to me and are always handing me food.
Speaker 2: That's what I look for.
Speaker 1: In a lover and tend to be in their early twenties.
Speaker 2: That certainly doesn't hurt crashing. Oh god, oh god. A
Speaker 2: couple in the US featured on TLC's My Strange Addiction,
Speaker 2: a reality show that profiles people with unusual habits. Okay,
Speaker 2: a woman voluntarily breastfeeds her husband daily, helping, believing it
Speaker 2: helps their intimacy and boosts his health.
Speaker 1: Doctors say, seriously, doctors.
Speaker 2: Say, what the hell? But then apparently they also say
Speaker 2: there are no proven benefits of adult breastfeeding, but ack knowledge,
Speaker 2: it is a consensual personal choice.
Speaker 1: Christ, he's huge.
Speaker 2: He could just eat her. I was going to say,
Speaker 2: my type reflects reflects on out of body experience, out
Speaker 2: of whose body?
Speaker 1: That's so? I think that that's because when she's breastfeeding,
Speaker 1: it's obviously a very enjoyable service experience for her as well.
Speaker 1: And he can do more than just breastfeed. Where's the
Speaker 1: child will just be breastfeeding?
Speaker 2: He can be tuning the radio with his other hand. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm with you. Okay, I mean the quote it's our bond.
Speaker 2: People don't have to understand it, and that's very true.
Speaker 2: But in that case, why are we hearing about it?
Speaker 2: Why is this the thing like, go do it behind
Speaker 2: in your own house? Why tell anyone? Why? Why? Why? Why?
Speaker 1: Delay?
Speaker 2: Why? Where should we draw the line about what's shown
Speaker 2: on reality? Here? Is this?
Speaker 1: This?
Speaker 2: Just before this? In fact, yeah, before this is where
Speaker 2: we should draw the line about what show non reality TV?
Speaker 1: Not a fan?
Speaker 2: Then why does this story provoke such strong reactions? Why
Speaker 2: does this because it's weird? I'm not want to.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to kink shame. No,
Speaker 2: that's not true. I want to kink shame. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to. I want to, but I'm not gonna. Okay, no,
Speaker 2: up to them. Good for them. I'm glad they're enjoying it.
Speaker 2: Don't know why it needed to be on Telly anyway.
Speaker 2: On that harrowing note, let's crash on, shall we?
Speaker 1: Thanks for that river?
Speaker 2: What's coming up after the break?
Speaker 1: Well, I went to be talking about a big old
Speaker 1: spat that's been going on. So don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to cheering the curd. Mike, you've got a
Speaker 2: story about a big old sp bat.
Speaker 1: I do, indeed, Yeah, excellent.
Speaker 2: Lay on us.
Speaker 1: I'm we're going to talk about something else first, All right,
Speaker 1: go on whatever you like. Yeah, do you know who
Speaker 1: taans in Outhwait is no, yes, kind I've heard the
Speaker 1: name before, aware of their existence, but that's yeah.
Speaker 2: I couldn't point them out in a line.
Speaker 1: Up EastEnders, Meltowin, this is tis an Earthwait?
Speaker 2: All right, this is hello?
Speaker 1: Yeah from EastEnders. She has recently shared that her eldest child,
Speaker 1: who is known as Flow, has come out as transgender
Speaker 1: at age ten or eleven.
Speaker 2: It's nice right.
Speaker 1: Flow first came to tams In around age ten or
Speaker 1: eleven and finally basically said, look, this is what's happening.
Speaker 1: This is where I'm at. And Tamsin has been supporting
Speaker 1: a transition all the way through, expressing pride and describing
Speaker 1: their child as lively and resilient, which I thought that's nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: our child is funny, intelligent and brave, said Thomson, which
Speaker 1: I thought was beautiful. So it's another positive story about
Speaker 1: a family wrecked into someone's say I'm trans and I'm
Speaker 1: going cool, How can we help? What support do you need?
Speaker 1: That's nice, That's as it should be, exactly, and it's
Speaker 1: a good news story. Well done terms exactly, and Flow
Speaker 1: is now older than ten or eleven. Linear aging aging,
Speaker 1: it happens, it happens to us all.
Speaker 2: I don't think so liar aging in part for me,
Speaker 2: linear aging is for weak people and school girls anyway.
Speaker 1: So basically supporting their their journey and their evolution as self,
Speaker 1: which I thought was quite a sweet, lovely story.
Speaker 2: It is, yes, yeah, so it's a shame that it
Speaker 2: has to be highlighted as a lovely story and not
Speaker 2: just standard just standard. But here we are.
Speaker 1: But it's great because Tamson's not done it as soon
Speaker 1: as the conversation happened with their child. They've waited a
Speaker 1: while because they wanted to balance the difference between privacy
Speaker 1: and advocacy.
Speaker 2: All right, that I can respect. I like that, which that.
Speaker 1: Was quite that's nice, touches not my child is trans
Speaker 1: and yeah is that let everything.
Speaker 2: Happen or dad, huh no, but yeah no, it was
Speaker 2: definitely mums and is mum But yeah, no, that's nice.
Speaker 2: I like that, which yeah, yeah, that's sweet. Until they're
Speaker 2: old enough to decide whether or not they want it
Speaker 2: out there in the world for themselves, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: That's nice. Yeah, and good on them for being a good.
Speaker 1: Parent exactly I think more should happen. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: with representation of trans and non binary people, do you
Speaker 1: think this helps normalize or is normalization even the right word?
Speaker 2: It sounds awful, doesn't it normalizing something I wouldn't want.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think so. But no, it's nice that it's
Speaker 2: that they're doing that. It's nice that it's almost just
Speaker 2: frames like, yeah, this is what we did. This is
Speaker 2: this would be standard as opposed to oh wow, look
Speaker 2: at us being an amazing parent and doing exactly what
Speaker 2: what is needed for our child who is special. Look
Speaker 2: how special our child is. They're like, yeah, no, keep
Speaker 2: it to yourself. Do you think I like that? As
Speaker 2: a as a non binary person themselves? I approve they
Speaker 2: may continue.
Speaker 1: They may continue supporting their child. Yes, I'll allow it,
Speaker 1: which is very kind of you.
Speaker 2: I'm good like that.
Speaker 1: Now, I've been teasing a spat.
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like something we should be talking about.
Speaker 1: I've been spat all the way through, So I'm going
Speaker 1: to let you know what the spat is about. All right,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about Jennifer Lopez j LO from
Speaker 1: the Block.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well she is still Jenny from the Block.
Speaker 1: She's to have a little. No, she's got a lot.
Speaker 2: Good for her? Is that the spat she's angry that
Speaker 2: someone's angry that she's got so much? No, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean okay, I don't like carry on more so.
Speaker 1: She's during her Up All Night's European tour when when
Speaker 1: when it's called, it's not you have to be here
Speaker 1: from eleven till three the next morning.
Speaker 2: I think if I ever do a European tour, it's
Speaker 2: going to be the in bed by ten European tour,
Speaker 2: like Soliday hours European tour. Yeah, leave me alone until
Speaker 2: I've had a coffee, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Mm, whale noises to sleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jlo has debuted song debuted songs like Up All Nights.
Speaker 1: She's she's debuted, yeah, not debuted. No, she's not debuting
Speaker 1: it debuted. So Jaelo is debuted. I'm sticking with it.
Speaker 1: Jello has debuted songs like Up All Night and Wreckage
Speaker 1: of View Okay. Wildly Interpreted is commenting on her recent
Speaker 1: divorce from Ben Affleck. And there they are, there, they
Speaker 1: are before this this before there.
Speaker 2: Well, it's so this is me now and he's there looking.
Speaker 1: A love story. No, that's not poster for something right.
Speaker 1: This isn't this isn't. It's not a thought bubble.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean he doesn't really look happy to be there.
Speaker 1: He looks looks really happy, it was, looks a little
Speaker 1: bit in pain even when especially when he's acting.
Speaker 2: But okay, So, so she's she's written some sassy songs
Speaker 2: about her breakup. I mean, that's that's normal. Isn't it
Speaker 2: that standard?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's still a Canada remark on stage about embracing
Speaker 1: independence and sexuality. Well fact, fans speculate about the lyrics,
Speaker 1: dismantling past hurt Afflex has come back saying the songs
Speaker 1: are childish, but I remain publicly unbothered. It's childish, but
Speaker 1: I'm publicly unbothered.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't care. But it's really childish, but I
Speaker 2: don't care. So it's fine. Yea.
Speaker 1: So she mixed blended music, sexual arity, and messages of
Speaker 1: self in reinvention.
Speaker 2: Gosh, wrailblazing.
Speaker 1: I know, groundbreaking, I know, like Madonna did in the eighties, like.
Speaker 2: Adele did that several times. Now.
Speaker 1: Oh she just time she has an argument, she has
Speaker 1: some album, she.
Speaker 2: Writes an album about or her own beloved Mickey Taylor,
Speaker 2: that's true. It's got an album coming out indeed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she confirmed there's no monetization from the breakup narrative.
Speaker 1: This is art and closure, that's what she said. Well going,
Speaker 1: the tickets are seventy pounds for the cheap ones.
Speaker 2: This is art and closure. She said, she dived into
Speaker 2: a big pile of money and rolled around like Scrooge
Speaker 2: and backed duck.
Speaker 1: He would have injured himself so much doing that, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was just solid metal.
Speaker 2: And she's doing it in paper money instead, which paper cuts,
Speaker 2: and they're not hygienic at all, Like folding money is
Speaker 2: not in any way hygienic. You're better off digital. But
Speaker 2: then you can't roll around on a bed covered in
Speaker 2: digital money spreadsheet. It wouldn't be the same.
Speaker 1: Could So while she's getting paid for the concert, she's
Speaker 1: not making money off the break up.
Speaker 2: Good for her, I know, right?
Speaker 1: Is how do you feel about Henry Cavell.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm?
Speaker 1: What what's your favorite Henry cavill.
Speaker 2: Biceps?
Speaker 1: Not favorite parts? Favorite version of it? Because is it
Speaker 1: like Witcher or my personal favorite the Tudors.
Speaker 2: I like him, I like I haven't seen the Tudors
Speaker 2: because I don't really go for historical documentaries, but I did.
Speaker 1: Enjoy historical dramatization on the documentary. So it had singing Jacob,
Speaker 1: not Jacob riese mug.
Speaker 2: It's gone back down.
Speaker 1: Thingy, Bobby thingy. Oh yeah yeah, but also grouff handsome.
Speaker 2: I was going to say Witcher anyway, so okay, that's fine,
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, because he's all sruffy and dirty and
Speaker 2: he's got long hair.
Speaker 1: He's all scruffy and dirty in the Tutors as well.
Speaker 2: Sorry to be late. Definitely definitely the Witcher for his scruffy,
Speaker 2: dirty long hair. That is something I look for in
Speaker 2: a gentleman, is a scruffy, dirty, stupid hair. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: you can smell him before you can see him. It's
Speaker 2: a bit of man stink on him.
Speaker 1: So under DC Studios restructuring in twenty twenty two, director
Speaker 1: James gunn Right and Peter Saffron decided not to continue
Speaker 1: Carol Superman storyline.
Speaker 2: Right, I thought we were talking about the Witcher or
Speaker 2: the Tudors, but there is.
Speaker 1: Super So how'd you feel about the new Superman?
Speaker 2: His costume is a bit crab, but yeah, he's.
Speaker 1: Not as hugging as the other ones.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's old style. It's like proper kind of
Speaker 2: wife front's trunks and yeah, it's a bit kind of
Speaker 2: like loose fitting. Yeah. Yeah, it's not sprayed on like
Speaker 2: that one, which isn't necessarily the main thing. It just
Speaker 2: looks it looks very kind of sixty style outfit, which fine, whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they have offered Henry Cavill different roles to
Speaker 1: return to the DC universe, just not Superman.
Speaker 2: What like Lois Lane.
Speaker 1: That'd be fun to see, doesn't say.
Speaker 2: Who would you like him to come back? As if
Speaker 2: you could have Harry Henry Cavill playing any character from
Speaker 2: the DC universe, makeing Batman everyone else has had to go,
Speaker 2: it'd be fun to watch him come back as Batman
Speaker 2: and fight Superman. So then you could like edit it
Speaker 2: so he's fighting his own version of Superman, so it's
Speaker 2: just the two of them constantly. Not now that idea,
Speaker 2: Well go on, then all right, you'd think up something better.
Speaker 1: Sane Bain Baine.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, because you have a mask on the
Speaker 2: whole time, you don't want to see his face. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's always got a mask and a coat, and that
Speaker 2: one you don't get to see his big.
Speaker 1: Tom Hardy as Baine was still hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it wouldn't be Tom Hardy as Baine, would
Speaker 2: it be Henry Cavill. About the Riddler, I think like
Speaker 2: Jim Carey's Riddler had that very tight likera.
Speaker 1: Why would you bring that memory back? That's oh no, no,
Speaker 1: that's Henry.
Speaker 2: Imagine hen call you have rotten.
Speaker 1: Back that image of Jim Carey in tight Lira. And
Speaker 1: then I was dancing around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, make that Henry Henry Cavill in tight Lira.
Speaker 1: But I have to take the image of Jim Carey
Speaker 1: out of my brain first, because he's going that's not
Speaker 1: the end of the show for this week. I can't cope.
Speaker 1: Thank you for watching, and we'll see you all soon.
Speaker 1: Why would you why Jim Carey