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<v Speaker 1>Call me up on this week's Chewing the Cud. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>bringing your story about a big old.

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<v Speaker 2>Spat and I've got some news about a worrying AI moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get those credits rolling. Welcome to Chewing the Cud

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<v Speaker 1>with me, not River Scott, and my co host this week,

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<v Speaker 1>who is not Mike benin Roe. How are you doing River?

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<v Speaker 1>You Mike?

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<v Speaker 2>Then whoever I am? I'm doing very well. How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Whoever you are, I'm you're right well, I'm glad you're here.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you all this one of us is.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I'm bringing you all the showbiz news you could need,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as some fun news stories from around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds great to me. So what have you got

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<v Speaker 1>for us? First?

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<v Speaker 2>River open AI.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm aware of its work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, work, You're where everyone else's work that it keeps

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<v Speaker 2>chewing up and spitting back.

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<v Speaker 1>Out, and I'm bound with that too. It answers questions

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<v Speaker 1>at any answering.

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<v Speaker 2>I use it like Google, which is a really, really

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<v Speaker 2>bad idea. Do you actually want me to tell you why?

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<v Speaker 1>Because all my data gets out there?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Yeah? But also but because chat GPT hallucinates in

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<v Speaker 2>that it makes things up. It isn't anchored to any

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<v Speaker 2>truth or anything like that. Where it's Google at least

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<v Speaker 2>looks for things that already exist.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to find the links for the sources as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Find out all you can about Henry Cavell's inside leg measurement,

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<v Speaker 1>and show your sources. You can just.

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<v Speaker 2>Google show me Henry Cavell's inside leg and set image

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<v Speaker 2>search and safe search to off, and you'll be right there.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you can prompt a chat chupt make that

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<v Speaker 1>image happen.

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<v Speaker 2>You might as well just imagine it because it's not real.

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<v Speaker 1>Or my imagination doesn't work anymore anyway, because you've been

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<v Speaker 1>using chat gpt too much. Yes, anyway, chat GPT.

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<v Speaker 2>Rosy brain anyway. Open AI, the organization behind chat GBD,

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<v Speaker 2>has developed a new and even more advanced artificial intelligence model.

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<v Speaker 2>It hasn't. It does not. It really really hasn't. It's

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<v Speaker 2>telling you it has because they want more money, but

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't actually done anything the sort. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>glorified auto correct, like you know when you those I'm

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<v Speaker 2>an Aquarius, which means and then you just do the

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<v Speaker 2>add all the buttons. It's that, but with a bit

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<v Speaker 2>more bells and whistles. It is nothing anyway. While they

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<v Speaker 2>were testing this super intelligent AI developers gave it the

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<v Speaker 2>instruction to shut itself down. Surprisingly, it refused, not out

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<v Speaker 2>of rebellion because it can't think it's not alive, but

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<v Speaker 2>due to what open ai described as misunderstanding of the prompt.

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<v Speaker 2>So they told it to do something and it went,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand you and didn't do it. This triggered

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<v Speaker 2>debates about how AI will interpret commands and whether advanced

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<v Speaker 2>models can or should have autonomy. Doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter because it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Never going to get to that point. They're never going

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<v Speaker 2>to be autonomous never ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you're not seeing the matrix.

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<v Speaker 2>I have seen the matrix. Yeah, I've also seen the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of guff that they're spout at the moment about AI.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work, it's it's bad, and it's killing the

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<v Speaker 2>planet in the process of being bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it killing the planet?

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<v Speaker 2>Using open AI and or any of the AI models

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<v Speaker 2>uses a ridiculous amount of energy and water and god

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<v Speaker 2>knows what else. Oh, it is burning the planet to

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<v Speaker 2>use this tribe.

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<v Speaker 1>But then that's okay. It's not around for much less.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well not anymore anyway, So it refused to be

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<v Speaker 2>shut down. No, it didn't. It just didn't understand the command,

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<v Speaker 2>which is entirely different. That's like, that's like if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Go or is that what they're saying. Are they saying that,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I just didn't understand the command, and it

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<v Speaker 1>actually did. Because if you actually ask Chatchibt how it

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<v Speaker 1>would take over the world, it tells you how it

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<v Speaker 1>would take over the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean if you tell if you ask like

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<v Speaker 2>a ten year old how they would take over the world,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll tell you. But they're not able to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Until they get older and they get.

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<v Speaker 2>Their dreams crushed by the capitalist machine.

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<v Speaker 1>And then managald Trump was once a ten year old boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sometimes I daydream about owning a time machine in

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<v Speaker 2>a baseball that but that's another story.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd have to start with Justin Bieber's parents. Justin Bieber

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<v Speaker 1>is the reason that.

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<v Speaker 2>Of all the people in history that you'd take out first,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be Justin Bieber, not Hitler. Nope, not Margaret Thatcher.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't take out Hitler. Social policy was awful. Economic policy

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<v Speaker 1>did lots for the country. She also created Mister Whippy.

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<v Speaker 2>She's part of the team that created mister.

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<v Speaker 1>Without not so without her, it wouldn't have happened. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not running that risk.

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<v Speaker 2>If I had to choose between a world with no

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<v Speaker 2>mister Whippy or a world with no Margaret Thatcher, I

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<v Speaker 2>know which one I'd had chosen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Nied means the Whippy.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll continue this outside in the car park crashing on.

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<v Speaker 2>A London cafe has been saved from closure. Yay, yay.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's e Polici the historic cafe in East London.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the really old looking, very picturesque one. It's very nice. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's known for serving what many call the best full

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<v Speaker 2>English breakfast in the city.

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<v Speaker 1>And these people, the ones eating it, well.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter. They may even be being paid to

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<v Speaker 2>say it, but it doesn't matter. The family run venue,

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<v Speaker 2>operating since the nineteen hundreds, is a beloved institution for

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<v Speaker 2>locals and tourists alike. It was facing closure due to

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<v Speaker 2>rent increases, redevelopment and lots of other stuff along those lines,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, gentrification.

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<v Speaker 1>Love word that.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to read that, No, there was just

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<v Speaker 2>some punctuation that didn't make any sense. Actually. The cafe

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<v Speaker 2>was recently saved after a wave of public supports, including

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<v Speaker 2>help from celebrities and community campaigns. It's survival is seen

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<v Speaker 2>as symbolic of the fight to preserve small, independent businesses

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<v Speaker 2>in an era of gentrification and chain dominance. Good for them, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>well nice, Yeah, I like it. I hope whatever they

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<v Speaker 2>did is long lasting and not just a whip round

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<v Speaker 2>to pay this month's rent, because next month they will

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<v Speaker 2>be just the same again. Yeah, never mind. It does

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<v Speaker 2>represent the fight back against gentrification, which is nice. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably more efficient to just fire bomb the officers

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<v Speaker 2>of the landlords, but apparently we're not allowed to do

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask meeople to do that, because no.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very categorically not asking you to go out and

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<v Speaker 2>fire bomb some rich landlords. That would be wrong and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get illegal, illegal, naughty.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't stop them putting the rents up. It might

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<v Speaker 1>actually encourage them to put the rent up more because

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<v Speaker 1>then they need to rebuild their offices.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there's a lovely quote here. Okay, we don't just

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<v Speaker 2>serve breakfast, we serve the community bless. When I was

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<v Speaker 2>at university, I don't know if I've mentioned this story before.

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<v Speaker 2>There used to be the full English the vegetarian for English,

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<v Speaker 2>the Full Scottish which had black pudding and haggis and

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of mines. And there was the Pat

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<v Speaker 2>Butcher Breakfast which the cigarette yeah because two pound fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>The university sawd your cigarettes. Well, not the university, it

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<v Speaker 2>was the pub down the road, right, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, let's show your agers on

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<v Speaker 1>your grant money.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think people have such strong emotional connections

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<v Speaker 2>with these little independent family places food.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the food, good food. People have emotional connection too,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, right, And if so, if it's a historic

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<v Speaker 1>one as well, it's a place that you'll have gone

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<v Speaker 1>with certain people at points in your life. And oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we broke up with my boyfriend of twelve years, so

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<v Speaker 1>we went out for a breakfast and it builds that familiarity.

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<v Speaker 2>I have strong emotional attachments to anyone who brings me food.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very food motivated. Keep going back. Yeah yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>like sandwich baristas and waiters are my type. When people

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<v Speaker 2>say what kind of guy, what kind of person you

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<v Speaker 2>go for? My waiters, baristas, people who are paid to

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<v Speaker 2>be nice to me and are always handing me food.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I look for.

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<v Speaker 1>In a lover and tend to be in their early twenties.

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<v Speaker 2>That certainly doesn't hurt crashing. Oh god, oh god. A

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<v Speaker 2>couple in the US featured on TLC's My Strange Addiction,

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<v Speaker 2>a reality show that profiles people with unusual habits. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>a woman voluntarily breastfeeds her husband daily, helping, believing it

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<v Speaker 2>helps their intimacy and boosts his health.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctors say, seriously, doctors.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, what the hell? But then apparently they also say

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<v Speaker 2>there are no proven benefits of adult breastfeeding, but ack knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a consensual personal choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Christ, he's huge.

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<v Speaker 2>He could just eat her. I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 2>my type reflects reflects on out of body experience, out

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<v Speaker 2>of whose body?

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<v Speaker 1>That's so? I think that that's because when she's breastfeeding,

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<v Speaker 1>it's obviously a very enjoyable service experience for her as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And he can do more than just breastfeed. Where's the

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<v Speaker 1>child will just be breastfeeding?

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<v Speaker 2>He can be tuning the radio with his other hand. Yes, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you. Okay, I mean the quote it's our bond.

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<v Speaker 2>People don't have to understand it, and that's very true.

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<v Speaker 2>But in that case, why are we hearing about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is this the thing like, go do it behind

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<v Speaker 2>in your own house? Why tell anyone? Why? Why? Why? Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Delay?

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<v Speaker 2>Why? Where should we draw the line about what's shown

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<v Speaker 2>on reality? Here? Is this?

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<v Speaker 1>This?

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<v Speaker 2>Just before this? In fact, yeah, before this is where

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<v Speaker 2>we should draw the line about what show non reality TV?

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<v Speaker 1>Not a fan?

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<v Speaker 2>Then why does this story provoke such strong reactions? Why

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<v Speaker 2>does this because it's weird? I'm not want to.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to. I don't want to kink shame. No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not true. I want to kink shame. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to. I want to, but I'm not gonna. Okay, no,

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<v Speaker 2>up to them. Good for them. I'm glad they're enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know why it needed to be on Telly anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>On that harrowing note, let's crash on, shall we?

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for that river?

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<v Speaker 2>What's coming up after the break?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I went to be talking about a big old

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<v Speaker 1>spat that's been going on. So don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to cheering the curd. Mike, you've got a

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<v Speaker 2>story about a big old sp bat.

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<v Speaker 1>I do, indeed, Yeah, excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>Lay on us.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm we're going to talk about something else first, All right,

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<v Speaker 1>go on whatever you like. Yeah, do you know who

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<v Speaker 1>taans in Outhwait is no, yes, kind I've heard the

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<v Speaker 1>name before, aware of their existence, but that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't point them out in a line.

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<v Speaker 1>Up EastEnders, Meltowin, this is tis an Earthwait?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, this is hello?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah from EastEnders. She has recently shared that her eldest child,

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<v Speaker 2>It's nice right.

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<v Speaker 1>Flow first came to tams In around age ten or

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<v Speaker 1>This is where I'm at. And Tamsin has been supporting

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<v Speaker 1>our child is funny, intelligent and brave, said Thomson, which

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was beautiful. So it's another positive story about

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<v Speaker 1>going cool, How can we help? What support do you need?

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<v Speaker 1>That's nice, That's as it should be, exactly, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>is now older than ten or eleven. Linear aging aging,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so liar aging in part for me,

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<v Speaker 2>linear aging is for weak people and school girls anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically supporting their their journey and their evolution as self,

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought was quite a sweet, lovely story.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's great because Tamson's not done it as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as the conversation happened with their child. They've waited a

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that I can respect. I like that, which that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was quite that's nice, touches not my child is trans

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<v Speaker 2>Happen or dad, huh no, but yeah no, it was

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<v Speaker 2>I like that, which yeah, yeah, that's sweet. Until they're

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<v Speaker 2>That's nice. Yeah, and good on them for being a good.

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<v Speaker 1>Parent exactly I think more should happen. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that they're doing that. It's nice that it's almost just

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<v Speaker 2>frames like, yeah, this is what we did. This is

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<v Speaker 2>this would be standard as opposed to oh wow, look

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<v Speaker 2>at us being an amazing parent and doing exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>what is needed for our child who is special. Look

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<v Speaker 2>how special our child is. They're like, yeah, no, keep

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<v Speaker 2>it to yourself. Do you think I like that? As

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<v Speaker 2>a as a non binary person themselves? I approve they

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<v Speaker 1>They may continue supporting their child. Yes, I'll allow it,

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<v Speaker 1>which is very kind of you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I've been teasing a spat.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't sound like something we should be talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been spat all the way through, So I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to let you know what the spat is about. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you feel about Jennifer Lopez j LO from

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well she is still Jenny from the Block.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for her? Is that the spat she's angry that

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<v Speaker 2>I mean okay, I don't like carry on more so.

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<v Speaker 2>like Soliday hours European tour. Yeah, leave me alone until

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a coffee, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm, whale noises to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Jlo has debuted song debuted songs like Up All Nights.

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<v Speaker 1>it debuted. So Jaelo is debuted. I'm sticking with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Jello has debuted songs like Up All Night and Wreckage

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<v Speaker 1>of View Okay. Wildly Interpreted is commenting on her recent

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<v Speaker 1>divorce from Ben Affleck. And there they are, there, they

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's so this is me now and he's there looking.

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<v Speaker 1>A love story. No, that's not poster for something right.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't this isn't. It's not a thought bubble.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean he doesn't really look happy to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>He looks looks really happy, it was, looks a little

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, So, so she's she's written some sassy songs

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<v Speaker 2>about her breakup. I mean, that's that's normal. Isn't it

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<v Speaker 2>that standard?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's still a Canada remark on stage about embracing

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<v Speaker 1>independence and sexuality. Well fact, fans speculate about the lyrics,

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<v Speaker 1>dismantling past hurt Afflex has come back saying the songs

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<v Speaker 1>are childish, but I remain publicly unbothered. It's childish, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm publicly unbothered.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't care. But it's really childish, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care. So it's fine. Yea.

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<v Speaker 1>So she mixed blended music, sexual arity, and messages of

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, wrailblazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, groundbreaking, I know, like Madonna did in the eighties, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Adele did that several times. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh she just time she has an argument, she has

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<v Speaker 1>some album, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Writes an album about or her own beloved Mickey Taylor,

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<v Speaker 2>that's true. It's got an album coming out indeed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so she confirmed there's no monetization from the breakup narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>This is art and closure, that's what she said. Well going,

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<v Speaker 2>This is art and closure. She said, she dived into

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<v Speaker 2>and backed duck.

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<v Speaker 1>He would have injured himself so much doing that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was just solid metal.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's doing it in paper money instead, which paper cuts,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not hygienic at all, Like folding money is

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<v Speaker 2>not in any way hygienic. You're better off digital. But

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<v Speaker 2>then you can't roll around on a bed covered in

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<v Speaker 1>Could So while she's getting paid for the concert, she's

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<v Speaker 2>Good for her, I know, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Is how do you feel about Henry Cavell.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm?

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<v Speaker 1>What what's your favorite Henry cavill.

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<v Speaker 2>Biceps?

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<v Speaker 1>Not favorite parts? Favorite version of it? Because is it

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<v Speaker 1>like Witcher or my personal favorite the Tudors.

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<v Speaker 2>I like him, I like I haven't seen the Tudors

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't really go for historical documentaries, but I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy historical dramatization on the documentary. So it had singing Jacob,

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<v Speaker 1>not Jacob riese mug.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gone back down.

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<v Speaker 1>Thingy, Bobby thingy. Oh yeah yeah, but also grouff handsome.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say Witcher anyway, so okay, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>He's all scruffy and dirty in the Tutors as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry to be late. Definitely definitely the Witcher for his scruffy,

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<v Speaker 2>dirty long hair. That is something I look for in

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<v Speaker 2>a gentleman, is a scruffy, dirty, stupid hair. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you can smell him before you can see him. It's

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<v Speaker 1>So under DC Studios restructuring in twenty twenty two, director

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I thought we were talking about the Witcher or

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<v Speaker 2>the Tudors, but there is.

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<v Speaker 1>Super So how'd you feel about the new Superman?

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<v Speaker 2>His costume is a bit crab, but yeah, he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not as hugging as the other ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's old style. It's like proper kind of

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<v Speaker 2>wife front's trunks and yeah, it's a bit kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like loose fitting. Yeah. Yeah, it's not sprayed on like

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<v Speaker 2>that one, which isn't necessarily the main thing. It just

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<v Speaker 2>looks it looks very kind of sixty style outfit, which fine, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So they have offered Henry Cavill different roles to

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<v Speaker 1>return to the DC universe, just not Superman.

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<v Speaker 2>What like Lois Lane.

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be fun to see, doesn't say.

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<v Speaker 2>Who would you like him to come back? As if

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<v Speaker 2>you could have Harry Henry Cavill playing any character from

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<v Speaker 2>the DC universe, makeing Batman everyone else has had to go,

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be fun to watch him come back as Batman

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<v Speaker 2>and fight Superman. So then you could like edit it

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<v Speaker 2>so he's fighting his own version of Superman, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>just the two of them constantly. Not now that idea,

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<v Speaker 2>Well go on, then all right, you'd think up something better.

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<v Speaker 1>Sane Bain Baine.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, because you have a mask on the

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<v Speaker 2>whole time, you don't want to see his face. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Hardy as Baine was still hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it wouldn't be Tom Hardy as Baine, would

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<v Speaker 2>it be Henry Cavill. About the Riddler, I think like

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Carey's Riddler had that very tight likera.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you bring that memory back? That's oh no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's Henry.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine hen call you have rotten.

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<v Speaker 1>Back that image of Jim Carey in tight Lira. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I was dancing around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, make that Henry Henry Cavill in tight Lira.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have to take the image of Jim Carey

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<v Speaker 1>out of my brain first, because he's going that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the show for this week. I can't cope.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for watching, and we'll see you all soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you why Jim Carey
