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let's dive in to today's episode. I like to welcome
to the show Peter Smith. Hey do, Peter.
Speaker 2: I'm really good. Alex. It's good to say it.
Speaker 1: Good to see you too, my friend. Thank you so
much for coming on the show. I'm I'm looking forward
to our conversation. We're here to talk about your book
Quantum Consciousness. We're going to get into the weeds of
this thing called consciousness that's been That word is thrown
around a lot, and quantum consciousness is even thrown around
more nowadays. But also a little bit. I want to
get started with the work that you were doing with
a little known guy named doctor Mike Newton. Was it
mister Newton's work in Lives between Lives, which is a
fascinating concept. Anytime I talk to a channeler or I
talked to a near death experiencer, I always go, so
what do we do when we're not here? Are we
at a bar somewhere on the other side? Are we
sitting down. I mean, the concerts must be amazing up there.
I mean, the musicians who have died. I mean, come on,
I mean, so what are we doing? So can you
first discuss your work with doctor Michael Newton?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Michael Newton was the first guy that thoroughly
mapped the afterlife. And for him, he had a couple
of accidental sessions with clients as a psychologist. They flipped
up into other lifetimes and you know, one person went
in between looking for the source of her depression and
she reunited with a soul group. So he said, well,
what's in between these incarnations? If we accept the fact
that reincarnation is a phenomenon, what happens in between those?
And we'd seen it as a sort of a misty,
sort of Bardough type area. Of course, mediums and all
sorts of people had been you know, getting snippets of
the afterlife, talking to people, bringing through messages for you know,
a long term. So he took people to the end
of a past life, he crossed them over, he followed
them in through the front door, through a life review.
How do I go in that lifetime? Et cetera, et cetera.
And then they went into this nebulous sort of now time,
which was outside of any of the incarnations, and as
they run in linear time, he moved into the space
in between, so he had a sweeping view across the
lineage of the soul and he can say to them,
how many lifetimes you've had where that happened, and more importantly,
how are you setting up this next one that you're
going into?
Speaker 1: So how did he do How did he do that?
How did he do that?
Speaker 2: Well? He did it through a deep and profound hit
not entrance, but for me, having been in that work
for twenty years now, I see it more as an
out of body experience remembered while still in body. Okay, okay,
So he crossed them over into the afterlife, and we're
quantumly entangled, if you like, with the soul energy of
who we are that transcends time and space. So our
soul is here. But Michael Newton found that part of
the soul remains there still in the afterlife, so he
bridged that gap so that we connected with that soul
energy and you could sort of have a look around
and see what was going on on the other side
and what your role over there is.
Speaker 1: When you see, he mapped out the afterlife. What is
exactly the map? It's a fairly large question, but I mean,
what is it? I mean, I mean, I mean, anyone
who's listened to the show knows. I've spoken to over
one hundred near death experiences, so many channel psychic medium
so on and so forth. I have an idea from
just the massive amount of people and masters I've spoken
to what the afterlife is kind of like. But it's
still pretty patchy even after all the research I've done.
So from his experience and from your experience doing this work,
can you give us kind of a little bit more
of the lee of the land if you will.
Speaker 2: Happy too, Alex. And let me tell you where I'm
coming from on that as well, because Michael did this
seven thousand times. Wow, that was the client base before
he started to publish his books Journey of Souls Destiny
of Souls back in the nineties. So he's found that.
And let me say as well that members of the
Michael Newton Institute have reproduced his body of research ten
times over.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, so with.
Speaker 2: Two hundred people around the world in different countries and languages,
the model is still pretty much the same, but there
are some shifts in the research, and we can talk
a little bit about that too if you want.
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, absolutely, But he.
Speaker 2: Found that when you go through this, you leave the
body somehow your soul knows the way your eyes up
out of the body, you drift back towards this other
dimension that is the afterlife, and he found that you
would usually sort of debrief that life, either in the
company of a spiritual guide somebody like that. They'd help
you to understand and glean the learnings from that life.
You then move through. You might speak to a spiritual council.
You might do certain activities in between life that might
be a creation of energy, or some people work to
progress planets and help to design them. Some people work
in different classes in a learning type environment, and whilst
you might learn the theory there, you come back into
an incarnation to do the practical exercises of how that
looks in real life in three D. So spiritual councils
would normally form a number of people around sort of
a semicircle table, and they'd be offering advice and understanding.
Usually souls have a certain color and frequency to their
vibration there as well, that's always great to ask. But
most importantly was the question I loved it to ask Alex,
and that was have you ever incarnated on another planet
or in another dimension? And some of the stories that
came out of that question were just phenomenal, you know,
stories of water worlds, stories of being an energetic type,
being in an energy environment, you know, even being different
types of animals that we don't have here, or different
type of plant life. And someone told me that they
were a rock on another planet just so they could
learn stillness. But all of this is really how we
set up the learning through each lifetimes that we take.
Speaker 1: I think we could barely wrap our heads around just
incarnations on Earth. If you start to jump around the universe,
it's hard for people to even I don't think we're
there yet most people, I'd say most people. Yeah, It's
it's a difficult thing to kind of wrap your head around.
So when when someone passes over and they're they've gone
through their life review, we've learned our lessons, what's the
next step do they is there? Do they go to
their quote unquote house on the other side, or the
world that they've designed on the others, their condo on
the heavenly condo from I understand, you create whatever heaven
you want on the other side. So do they go
to that place rest for a while. Maybe, But there's
no time on the other side. So how does that
make sense? You know, there's so many it's hard. It's
hard to wrap our head, our little heads around this stuff.
Speaker 2: Look it is and to understand the concept of now
time when we live in a linear construct is difficult.
And the more of this work I've done over the years,
the more I've come to understand that time is a
linear construct for a life, and that it's far more
fluid than we know it to be. And you know,
people like Einstein were always talking about the fluidity of time.
But when we get over onto the other side, this
sweeping view across the lineage of our soul, and we're
both this persona but beyond this persona. And we have
people that sit in the chair and they'll go back.
We have a particular methodology that we use that starts
with linear time. We go back. You've got a client
that starts in the chair, then they become a past
life persona of you know, they might be Native American,
Ancient Greece, any of that sort of stuff, and they
may speak a little bit differently, influenced by the environment
in which they live in that body. Then they cross
over and they're in this other place and they change
into their soul consciousness, which is another voice again often
with another name or so, who am I speaking with now?
And they may say Anetha or something like that. That's
some sort of a name that's quite different. But from
that they you know that quite will normally come with
a list of questions what they want to know from
the other side, and a lot of it's around relationships.
You know, who do I incarnate with regularly? And they'll say,
someone will come forward and they'll recognize them in their
soul form, but it will be maybe their sister or
their husband or whoever it might be from this lifetime
and they recognize them through their soul energy.
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Speaker 2: And so you can start to ask some questions, how
many lifetimes have you hung out together? Well, you know,
we've incarnated fifty times now together because we just love
learning together and we've played different roles and sometimes I've
been the sister, sometimes I've been the mother sometimes the father,
and this dynamic that they've formed often takes multiple angles
across multiple lives to round out the learning at the
soul level.
Speaker 1: Now, this concept of there is no technically past lives
or no technical future lives, that all lives are happening
now very difficult for you to wrap your head around.
Do you have any clarification around that idea, because again
we're coming from a linear timeline based reality, so we
have to say past lives just by the nature of
the concept of like, oh, ancient Egypt, Well, that's in
our reality a past life, but really it's going on
right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Those bit of advice I open people that
ask me that, I say, well, don't wrap your head
around it, because it's not going to fit fair enough.
And there's something about how we're cultured and in society
alex to run with linear typ and to exist within
linear time and for that to be the construct through
which we exist. But when we move outside of that time,
you know, everyone sort of has had some sort of
time slippage here or there along the way where time
has either gone longer or it's gone shorter. It depends
on what you're doing what's happening. Time, as I said before,
is far more fluid than we know. If we take
and you know, a quantum physicists will answer this question
as well that way, and I'm certainly not one. But
what they'll do is they'll tell you that time is relative. Okay,
so when we move into particularly long when you spend
time with some of your relatives. But you know there's
something about the now time that gave us the sweeping view.
And this is where Michael's work was so incredible. Is
it showed us the fluidity of time through the eyes
of our soul and that we could see. Well, yeah,
I would say to somebody how many you incarnated on Earth?
And that will say to me, I've had one hundred
and eighty incarnations on this planet. I'll say, you know,
what are the themes? So what I'd say to people
who have a trouble offering that is to it can't
be understood through the human intellect. The best way to
understand it is to just experience it and to move
outside of time and space yourself, similar to what you
might do in meditation. It's a great question for some
of the channels that you talk to as well give
us your concept of time, and all of us came
to the conclusion that it's more fluid than we know.
So best advice I can give people is just be
open to the fact that it's not as locky as
what we feel.
Speaker 1: And the idea that time is relative that I think
everyone as at one point or another, has felt this,
that you go beyond time where when you're enjoying yourself,
time flies. But when you're not enjoying yourself at the DMV,
you know, where you get your license here in the States,
time goes very slowly. Or you're doing jury duty here,
time goes very slowly, generally speaking. But when you're enjoying yourself,
time flies. I think we've all felt that. Or if
you're an athlete or a creative or an artist, that
time you're doing your art, that time you're in the
flow state. That's another thing that people use that word
a lot. Now, the flow state, time completely almost disappears.
And you know, I meditate a lot, and my meditation
when I'm in meditation, when I'm in it deep, it
will go like that and I'll come out of it.
I'm like, was that an hour and a half? Like
I didn't even feel it. Yeah, you transcend time, So
there are glimpses of that. It's not easily turned on
and off. Maybe better so within meditation, but these other
aspects of things, it's difficult, but it is. It's it's
really it's like you said, you can't wrap your head
around it. It's very difficult to start wrapping your head
around this stuff.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, let me reassure you that the d m
V experience is actually a global phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Okay, and what you mean you know there's no beautiful
d m vs in Australia.
Speaker 2: Well but I guess technically they're upside down, but they're
still a long queue.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I guess that's a very universal truth. Being ful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. You know. I once had a client say
to me, and you know what people love to hear
is I'd love to hear client stories because it makes
it real. Sure. And I did one of these life
between life sessions for a guy once and we crossed
over from a past laugh. He went into the afterlife.
We met his soul group. You know, he had a
conversation with some wise beings there. He talked about how
he'd set up the life he was in now and
what his intentions and purpose were for coming back this time,
which is a real power of the work. And and he's,
you know, I'm starting to bring him back out of
spirit and back into his body and all that sort
of stuff. And he's got this frown on his face
and he says blah blah blah. An he came back
up and any sort of rare oriented and he looked
at me and he said, I said, Uka, what's wrong.
You look a bit troubled. And he said, why would
you bring me back? After twenty minutes? I was just
getting started, And I said, you've been down there two
and a half hours.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's Tom Slippitch is ro phenomen And.
Speaker 1: Well, this is really interesting. I'm assuming you've heard the
concept of the Mendela effect. Absolutely so from your point
of view from the work you've done. And I talked
about the Mendel effect on the show constantly because I
find it fascinating because there are absolute things that I,
you know, I remember and others remember and they like
and will you ask perfect example, this is something very American.
But Ed McMahon, who was a comedian, I guess it's
a comedian here who was on the Tonight Show. He
was very well known for working with Publisher's Clearinghouse, which
was basically you get a million dollar check, and he
would go to people's doors and hand them a check
with cameras and balloons, and it was a big thing.
It's the eight mostly eighties and nineties, and for a
generation of people, Ed McMahon was publisher's clearinghouse. Well, if
you go to Publisher's Clearinghouse and you asked them, they've said,
I'm sorry. Ed McMahon has never worked for us, has
never been part of us. And there's there's just like,
there's just no way, and I'm not the only one.
There's so many people, and it goes on and on
and on. Where do you think is happening because you
said the word time slippage? What is happening to a
large swath of the population that remember one thing and
another large swap of population I remember something else.
Speaker 2: You know, I've seen some of those stories about you know,
the front of a cereal box now something spelled and
all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: I Jiffy the butter, Jiffy in a butter, yeah, that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, we had an incident just
yesterday here in the car, my partner and I we're
driving back home from having lunch, and my partner says,
that hill wasn't there yesterday, Like one side of the
road is raised up. I said, She said, do you
remember that side of the road being raised up like
about you know, ten feet above the other side of
the road with this thing in the middle. I said,
I don't really, so what's going on there? And you
start to get into multiverse there, And that's about how
we move into different realities from the decisions that we make.
There's splits in our timelines. We're continuing to unfold in
different tracks and all of that, and some people remember
one track and one people remember the other track. For me,
this is about the thinning of the veil Alex and
that all of those alternate realities used to be beautiful,
beautifully divided, and our soul would go in a couple
of different directions from a decision that we've made. And
that's great because it's multiple learning at the soul level.
And this is another one you can't get your head
around in human form, But for me, the same way
the veil is thinning for the afterlife, which is why
there's so many mediums now, so many people are channeling,
so many people having past life flashes. That veil is
getting thin. But I actually believe that the veil between
the different realities is getting thinner as well. So we
have different timelines bleeding into each other, and people are
jumping between those timelines because of the thinness of that veil.
Speaker 1: So when you jump a timeline. So let's say right now,
we're having this conversation, and then I decided to ask
one question this way and then in another I'm like,
oh no, but let's go with this other. So we
ask two different questions. So now there's two different versions
of this conversation that are going to finish off how
they're going to finish off. Are there two of me
at that point? And if there is two of soul
level or version of me in this multiverse idea, well
is it with every decision? Because then it's an infinite
amount of you in this incarnation. Let's not even talk
about passes in future lives. Let's just talk about this incarnation.
Does it split off into literally an infinite infinite amount
of versions of you learning at different levels? Did I
marry Susie. Did I take that job with Bob? Did
I go to school or decided to just smoke weed
or like? Whatever the differences are? How many different versions
are there is that kind of what's happening. We'll be
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Speaker 2: I've got my own speculation on this because a lot
of my work has been about blending the quantum physics
with the spiritual side, and consciousness is the common language
between the two, which is so powerful for me. I
feel that some of these splits in the timeline doesn't
happen with every tiny decision. And in the book I
write about toast. Do I have jelly on my toast?
Do I have pin a butter on motast? Do I
have vegimite on motes? Which is what we do a
lot of down here? You know? Does that give me
three different toast realities? My take is that our timeline
will split into the different realities in collaboration with our soul,
and if the soul can learn something from that other line,
it will follow into the other reality. I don't necessarily
run with the quantum physics component that every small thing
I pick up my pen or put my pen down,
creates all these different realities. I don't necessarily go with
that because I think we're powered by a greater consciousness ourselves.
Even quantum physics is part of that beautiful soup of
the all there is that is created by a power
of which we're all part of, but is far greater
than we believe ourselves to be human form. So I
think there's a threshold of where these realities do continue
to form because there are other paths of learning, and
I think if something is another path of learning, yeah, absolutely,
another reality. But I think tiny little small decisions. Now
that's my tape.
Speaker 1: I think your next book should be called The Toast Realities.
Uh and and because it's such a fascinating idea, like,
so you have three options for toast? Is it jelly,
it's it butter? Said vis you might, Okay, well, does
that really evolve your consciousness? Evolve your soul? And any
three of those options. Now, if the jelly toast is
hit by a comet, absolutely, you know. If there's an
earthquake on the butter toast, oh absolutely, there's a there's
absolutely you know, if you know, if there's something else
that happens, an explosion happens that this, So those are
not makes sense. But the toast itself is not something
that is going to create a new reality. So it's
going to be a little bit large. Sure, I like
the way you put it. It's not like it's large events.
It's events that your soul can grow from. So that
means that the soul is growing at such a rapid
rate down here, more so than it does on the
other side. Is it the equivalent of reading about how
to beak and actually beaking or cooking?
Speaker 2: Well, I'd call it a baking boot camp down here, okay,
because it's such an intense experience with all of our
human emotions and the vibrational frequencies that we have. And
one of the things I've discovered, Alex, is that these
realities are closer than we know. I mean, it's like
we're just changing the dial on the radio and all
of a sudden, it's the same box, but you're in
a completely different frequency. And I found that many many
years ago when I was doing past life work. You'd
have to sometimes labor to get these people across into
these other lifetimes. But with the realities, they seem so
much closer due to the greater level of quantum entanglement
we hold with those other versions of ourselves in this
type of body. So for me, yeah, they're right there
and they're waiting to be discovered. And I think a
lot of this goes back to the pre planning before
we come here I mentioned before and Michael Newton's model
of the spiritual universe that we set up a life
before we come I think we actually set up some
of these decision points as Okay, I'm going to get
to that decision point in my life. It's pre set.
I'll end there, I'll go in different directions, and the
sole follows in both. I've had people say to me
over the years, I always knew my dad was going
to die when I was young, or I always knew
there'd be a big car accident in my life that
would change my life. I've been seeing flashes of things,
and that's from the pre cog. That comes from the
pre sole planning before we arrive.
Speaker 1: That's a really interesting concept because I've never really heard
it presented that way before the pre cog. I mean
we've now, I mean, if you've seen the pre a
Minority report, I'm a movie guy, So I always use
movies as a reference, or if you use them, a
great movie. But the precog idea where you know the
future before it happens, well, there's elements of that in
our lives all the time, like you pick up the
phone and you know who it is before it rings,
or stuff like that kind of happens. But having large
pre cog ideas or events that are almost haunting you
or that you have a gut feeling about, is really
really interesting. I mean, have you met with a lot
of clients who had those kind of things happened, that
they felt those kind of things.
Speaker 2: There's this little thing called soul sapag.
Speaker 1: Well what's that. I've never heard that before.
Speaker 2: Well, the soul's always they sure. I mean the hardware
in the software, we're a complete unit, you know, and
the souls the software. And let me say that how
much the soul loves us to Alex, because it's really
important to remember that the soul to be us. Your
soul shows you head of eight billion other options on
this planet and you're the only one that would do okay.
So I believe that's the greatest act of unconditioned to
love that we will ever experience. Okay, so that's how
much our soul loves us and our soul steers us.
So some of this soul seepage are these funny little
bits of influence that move their way through into our life,
and they give us those moments of blissful insight when
we either we know we're on track, or something happens
that goes beyond coincidence, like Carl Jung's theory of synchronicity,
something that doesn't make sense but still happens. And I
remember when I first found Journey of Souls, Michael Newton's
first book. I was a young hypnotherapist looking for a
gift for friends, to it in front of a Border's bookshop.
If you remember Borders, They're gone there. Yeah, I stood
there and I stepped forward, but eyes shut, and I
pulled the book off the shelf and it was Journey
of Solt It was book. And when I read the
back of that, something happened inside of me that felt
like an earthquake had happened in Borders bookstore. And I
look around them. Everyone else is just reading books or
drinking coffee or doing the stuff. But people used to
do it borders, and so it was one of those
moments that was a soul seevage, that was my soul saying,
this is an important moment. Don't lose the energy of
what's just happened. And the rest was history. And I
went and learned the work, got to work with Michael
Leddy's organization for ten years, and that was because it
was one of those quintessential spiritual moments of truth.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting thinking about that kind of
scenario in my life where I didn't come from a
movie family. I was far away from Hollywood as almost
you can be in South Florida. And it was the eighties,
so leave eighties, not a lot of information about movies,
movie maker, all that stuff. Now it out it's everybody.
Everybody knows how to make movies. It's all. It's everywhere
you can YouTube everything. Back then it wasn't so it
wasn't even considered a career. But yet I was looking
for a part time job, and the job I chose
was a video store. Oddly enough, it wasn't like I was, Oh,
I need to work, It was, oh, this might be cool.
And then my grandfather gifted me a video camera, a
little high eight old school video camera which I started
to play around with, and I'm like, hmm, and then
that it just it's just so fascinating how those things
just started to guide me in the in the direction
of this insane idea of becoming a filmmaker in a
time where that wasn't even the thing, let alone for
my Latino family, who looked at me like, are you crazy?
What do you want? That's what? Are you gonna be Spielberg,
That's not gonna make it. This makes no sense. So
it was it's fascinating that those there are moments like that.
There are books like that that happened. Autobiography of a
Yogi is one of those books. For me. When I
was given that book, it was just like I've had
books that almost vibrate when I had hooked them up.
They just they're like the information is so important to
my evolution in this life that after I read that book,
I was a changed person, like completely changed. And there
are a handful of those books that were gifted to me,
or at least recommended to me, that change your whole perception.
So as we were talking about alternative realities, I'm like, well,
there's there. Then there's an all a reality where I
didn't start to show yeah and that, and I don't
know where that reality would go. I wouldn't be happy
about that reality. I don't want to go there. I
don't want to be in that in reality. But I
wonder what would have happened. You know, what would have
happened if I didn't get that job at the video store?
You know what if my grandfa hadn't given me a
video camera? Like, what would have happened to my life?
Where would I be? What interest would have been pulled towards?
It's pretty it's pretty pretty fascinating. You start thinking about
the what ifs, and then not only the what ifs,
so what oh if I would have dated her, if
I would have gotten that job, but then thinking, oh
wait a minute, there is a version of me going
down that road. What is that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What is That's that Alex or that Peter dealing with? Like, yeah,
it starts to really hurt your a lot. Don't you
start thinking that much about it. We'll be right back
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Speaker 2: Well, one thing I said about those books that Bob
Wright as well, is that books come through authors and
not from authors.
Speaker 1: Read one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And I remember the Quantum Consciousness book, the Celeste Kelly book,
the bus two I've written. I remember going back and
rewriting what I've done and saying, hey, this this is
some this sounds pretty.
Speaker 1: Good running I did. I say that all the time, like,
who wrote this? This is fantastic.
Speaker 2: So so it's like the messages are permeated with these
frequencies that people made. Yeah, I mean the beautiful frequencies
coming through from other places.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean Autobiography of a Yogi is one of
those books. And yeah, that those words are still vibrating
after years decades after his passing. And many I mean
from the Vedic texts to I mean so many ancient
wisdom I mean the talte cheg and so on. It
is pretty pretty fascinating, the whole concept of the multiverse.
Do you think now that the that there's so much
talk about the multiverse and parallel realities, These are concepts
are being tossed around fairly in the zeitgeist in popular
culture now, where ten years ago the multiverse was really
on the fringe, either science or sci fi comic books.
You know, the geeks this isn't read comic books like myself.
We're discovering the multiverse idea. But now people are talking
about this conversation like we're really having deep conversations about
parallel realities, parallel the multiverse, all that kind of stuff.
Do you think it's why do you think that's happening
now and not fifty years ago?
Speaker 2: My take is it's the evolution of consciousness, Alex. We're
ready to know that we are multi dimensional beings living
in a multiverse. And some of the work that we've
been doing is we've been we've been connecting with some
of these other versions of ourselves because the quantum entanglement
is so high that we can have conversations with these others.
And I've been training guys to do that for a
number of years. Now. As you go to a decision,
you wonder what would have happened any other direction, And
we take them out of their body and we go
to a meeting place where they can talk to that
other version of themselves with the full and complete intention
of raising the vibration of both because when we can
swap intel, share wisdom, offer advice, do healing, whatever it
might be that raises the vibration of our multidimensional self
times two and even to offer information to get gratitude back.
That's a beautiful exchange.
Speaker 1: Can you explain the concept of quantum entanglement just a
little bit to people who don't understand what that is,
because it's a very important concept from quantum physics that
the spiritual space is really grabbing a hold of, because
it just really reinforces the concept that we are all connected.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Well Einstein called it spooky action at a distance,
but that wasn't all that helpful. Yeah, but make quantum
entanglement is the personal experience of everything being connected. And
it's like that example you mentioned before, Alex. You know
who's ringing when the phone goes, so you know it's
going to be And for us, there's the concept that
once too particles have a relationship, they can never be disengaged,
even though they might be light years away from each other.
And it's like the connectivity with the people that we're
close to is always there. I've had people say to me,
you know, I knew the moment my dad died, you know,
and I knew the moment that this happened or that
happened it's because we are connected, and when we move
into this ocean of consciousness that connects us all, we
can feel the sensations and trust our intuition to know
things that we wouldn't know otherwise. So for me, it's
about personal connectivity into this whole tapestry of all there is.
And it takes many different forms, large and small.
Speaker 1: But this but quantum entanglement alone, just that one concepting
quantum physics throws materialism and space and time out the window. Essentially,
it does so by doing that, I'm assuming there's been
some pushback from the physics community.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't talk to those guys really much. Have
a couple of chats with a couple of quantum physicists
over the years, and some of them are really interesting
in consciousness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it's it's it's interesting how these two worlds
are starting to combine more and more and more. Let
me ask you, what do you what do you think
our understanding of consciousness is being impacted by this idea
of this parallel realities and multiverse.
Speaker 2: I think we're slowly discovering the consciousness is bigger than
we thought. Alex, you know what is consciousness? You know
I think everything is consciousness, but there's an infrastructure behind
it as well. And people say to me, you know,
what is consciousness that I answer it in a way
that says that, well, the universe's energy. Everything's made up
of energy. That's the infrastructure of the entire universe. And
a breaking master will tell you that, our quantum physicist
will tell you that is that everything is energy. But
then there's a layer on that energy that is like consciousness,
and that's what brings that infrastructure to life. And we
are walking examples of that life because we are consciousness.
We are all connected to everything and everyone on that
infrastructure of energy, and then we surf our way through
that through our awareness. So we would put our focus
where it's called our observer effect, called whatever you want
to where we put our focus, that is where it
takes us in the experience of that consciousness on that
infrastructure of energy. So I mean, this gets complicated, So
I'll try to use an analogy. If you look at
the ocean, okay, and the ocean floor is the infrastructure
of energy. The water in the ocean is consciousness because
it flows everywhere and it's all connected, and our awareness
of the sea creatures that move through that ocean of
consciousness support above the sea floor to have the experiences
that they have.
Speaker 1: From my experiences talking to near deaths, and I'm assuming
from yours as well, from talking to life between life
regressions on the other side, there is no time or space,
so things happen instantly. You think it, you're there. It's
an instant scenario that I'm assuming more of a what
quantum entanglement is at the highest level, where down here
it's as much as we can make it work in
the three dimensional space, in the material space. Is that
a fair statement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it's a great statement. The instantaneous
manipulation of energy is a real characteristic of the spiritual
realm and beyond. And I think a lot of the things,
the experiences that we have on the other side are
almost metaphoric because we need to be able to integrate them.
And this is back to my comment before about how
human consciousness is at a stage where we're able to
understand our multi dimensional realities while still in three D.
This is a big shift for the evolution of consciousness
because more advanced races that are out there apparently express
and live and know their multidimensional nature of being. We're
moving towards that as part of our own evolution. But yeah,
when we're out of our body and we're not restricted
by three D, we are limitless. We can do anything
that we want. It's a beautiful thing. But those experiences
still need to be integrated here so that the awareness increases.
So some of the things over there are a little
metaphoric meeting in a garden with your spiritual god or
going to a temple, that sort of stuff. You know,
did someone build a temple over there? Well, now it's
a construct for learning that we bring back into here
in a way that we can integrate it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you look at what like the
eternal Saint Baba Gee from the Yogananda's book, who's apparently
still alive, been a live for about twenty five hundred
years or more here helping humanity. In the book, he
creates a crystal castle instantly out of his own will.
He's at a whole other level. Let's just throw it there.
He's neo for lack of a better word, He's neo
in the matrix. He understands the code and can manipulate it. However,
he likes. But that is also how a lot of
these spiritual masters who've walked the earth, either ascended masters
or walking masters, have understood our construct this simulated reality
that we're in at such a high level that, for
lack of a better word, they understand the code, and
because you understand the code of it, they can manipulate
the code. Hence yogic powers, miracles, you know, things like that,
what looks to us as miracles is just a manipulation
of reality because they just understand things at a different level.
Is that a fair statement.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great statement. Yeah, you know, and
I think we're in the process of gradually uncovering our
magnificence so that we can know who we really are.
And you know, one of the questions I've had over
the years from clients is I just want to know
that I'm normal, And I say, well, you're actually paranormal.
Speaker 1: Right, We're all well, I mean, if you just even say,
listen to what Jesus said back in the day, everything
I can do, you can do and more. It's it's
there's not special beings that come down. There might be
more evolved soul wise to get to these points, but
we're all capable of it. Every single one of us
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And now back to the show. During all of your work,
have you had a profound session that really just rocked
your world in a way that just changed you? And
what was that session?
Speaker 2: What happened for me as the facilitator or both?
Speaker 1: Either one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let me offer a couple of little snippets
that would be helpful for people as well. And this
goes back to that magnificence of who we are. And
I once had a client and we're in the life
between life state and they speak from their soul alex.
They're in a different person, different voice, everything. And I
said to this client, I said to her, why did
you choose this body? And she says to me, well,
I'm a researcher from another dimension and I'm researching the
human brain and I'm here to do research. The best
way to do that was to actually incarnate and have one.
I said, oh, how that's going, She says, going very well,
She's do you have any questions. I'm a bit stuck
for an answer, so I pulled something out of the
air and I said, well, why do we only why
do we only use a certain percentage of our brain,
like fifteen or twenty percent? And she said to me,
very matter effectively, who told you that? And I said, well,
that's what our scientists are saying. And she says, well,
they're wrong. She says, the only reason you think that
is because you haven't invented the machines that can measure
what the brain is actually doing. And I thought, wow,
imagine if you had one of those machines. Yeah, but
that was just fantastic.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, but to be fair, there are things
now that we're able to see with machines and technology.
One hundred years ago we're been heresy. We would have
been burned at the stake. Oh absolutely, I mean, so
that is not that far of a stretch. I mean,
one hundred years from now that we're able to check
that we were able to measure psychic ability, levels of consciousness,
I don't know, whatever, whatever, those things that the brain
is doing, being able to manifest and create your reality
based on your focus, those might be a measurable thing
in the future. Why wouldn't it be. It's as insane
as a saying that there is radio waves in the
air two hundred years ago, like people were like, what
are you talking about? You're insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that example because all of that is
out there and we can't say it correct and all
you're going to do is turn your radio on and
adjust that frequency and you can get a dozen different
stations in ten seconds. It's just fantastic. And I love
that as an allergy and something that Bruce Lipton say
once which I loved about the radio as well, and
he said, looking for consciousness in the brain is like
looking inside the radio for the announcer. That's a great love.
Speaker 1: That great, great, great Stavid. What is the biggest some
of the biggest misconceptions about quantum consciousness that people have
out there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me define it first, because it's important
that those two two words work together. And for me,
quantum physics is the science of possibility. Okay, You've got,
for example, m theory, which is talking about eleven different dimensions,
and the maths works. One of them's time, the other
ten of space. You know, we're mathematically condoning of these
other dimensions actually exist. So for me, quantum physics is
starting to the right questions and they don't know they
have the answers, and I think Tom Campbell said it
beautifully on one of your chats. You know, they got
no idea. So, you know, quantum physics is the science
of possibility and consciousness of the fabric of the universe.
That's all there is. Consciousness is the lifeblood that brings
that infrastructure to life. When you put quantum consciousness together,
you've got the signs of possibility in the fabric of
the universe. You put them together, and it's important for
people to know that we are quantum consciousness. Okay, so
the misconceptions going to that. The misconceptions are that we
are limited. You know, people see quantum physics as science.
It's as much philosophy as it is science. People see
consciousness of I'm awake where I'm asleep. That's not right either.
I think one thing that we've been trained to do
in human form is to live our limited lives when
we are so much more so, for me, the greatest
misconception is that the truth has been hidden from us
that we are limitless. We are magnificent beyond our knowing.
We are multi dimensional beings in a multiverse, and we
will never die, we will continue, and we're here to
make a difference.
Speaker 1: To the world. What would you say to somebody whose
brain is frying right now because everything that we're talking
about goes against the programming that they've grown up with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, move from the brain into the heart because that's
where that's the gateway to the soul.
Speaker 1: So what advice would you give somebody who is saying
this is all a bunch of hogwash, this is all crazy,
you're all nuts. Bit the skeptic, what would you say
to them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was a good sep skeptic in the
early days. That's how I got into this is because
I was came from non believer, which I think is healthy.
Speaker 1: Oh it is, it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, don't take our word for it.
If you're open to it, have the experience, you know, explore,
whether it's buying a book, or whether it's going to
a workshop, or whether it's still in a session with
someone who knows what they're doing, whatever it might be.
You know, just explore, because you don't understand your limitlessness
until you start to explore it, and then it's like
a trailer breadcrumbs that leads to your way.
Speaker 1: Are there going to be any do you foresee any
significant advancements in quantum physics that are going to shape
our collective reality in what we're doing in the spiritual space.
Speaker 2: Probably not my field of quantum physics itself, but if
I can offer the quantum physics or something is to
move beyond being a scientist and be an explorer. And
I think we just cover more when we forget everything
that we've ever learned and we move beyond those scientific
restrictions which might have to do about research funding, peer review.
All of these things are designed to trap us into
a materialistic sort of view of science. But my take
is that science was originally invented to explore the new horizons,
and you do it with the eyes of wonder of
a small child. That's what I'd offer the scientists.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that not only do we individually have consciousness,
but there is a consciousness for humanity and arguably a
consciousness for the planet that is shifting right now in
a way that has been more profound than any other
time in human history. Regarding the last not just the
last six thousand years was what mainstream archaeo letists say
that we've been around, but more so one hundred years
two hundred dozen years. However long we've been here. Do
you believe that I do?
Speaker 2: I did not just believe it, Alex. I get to
live it through the eyes of my clients and the
people that we teach this work to, where forever starting
new projects, we're opening new boundaries, We're surrendering more and more.
Even Michael Newton's original work is now evolving, and then
the Michael Newton Institute we're working on that at the
moment as well. The quantum consciousness work that I'm doing,
we're now moving further out from some of the quantum
principles and exploring more from the consciousness end, from the
quantum end. I think everything is continuing to unfold, and
not just that, but it's speeding up. And I think
that we are the horizon of a whole new consciousness
for humanity as we discover more of ourselves. You know,
I'm having conversations with people, like you said before, I'm
having conversations with people I wouldn't have had ten years ago.
And you're right, hundred years ago it would have burned
us at the stake, and many of us did that.
But you know, I just think that we're in the
middle of a great awakening, and what we see in
the turmoil in the world is actually a characteristic of change.
And the things that we're changing need to come into
our line of sight so that we can feel into
them to know that we don't want that anymore, and
we're going to let it go, and I think that's
going to set humanity for it.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. So moving forward, because
that's a good point that there is a lot of
stuff going on right now in the world and this
great time of great awakening where there is these conversations
happening more and more all the time. If the numbers
of my show are in the indication, that means that
there's people who really want this information. We're searching for
this information. But the exact same time as this positive
aspect of humanity is growing, the negative seems to be
growing at a similar rate. Where there's wars in conflicts
from thousands of years ago boiling up, you know, ideas
of racism coming out into the forefront at all all
all fronts. It's it's fascinating to see all of that's
happening at the same time. But do you think it's
going to get a little bit worse before it gets
a little bit better? Quote unquote from your perspective and your.
Speaker 2: Work, my take is that it's always been there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no question.
Speaker 2: And you can't you can't hear something that until it
comes into your line of side. You can't decide that
you don't want it anymore. And I think it looks
like it's getting worse, but I since it was always
there originally anyway. But you know, when you when you're out,
you're covered. You come across the cobwebs. Humanity. Humanity is
still that big time. You know. We did some research
at Michael Newton Institute and there's a I just put
this to the side in case I could use that
as a comment. But what we did we took twenty
five people down into this in between spiritual type state
and the other side, and we said, you know, what's
happening in the world, And this was with everything that's
happened over the last few years. And I'll just do
one little quote which was really powerful. Imagine a table
covered with debris. This was about the whole COVID thing
as well. Comes along with a sweeping arm and it
completely clears the table off. Now it's got nothing on it.
Humans being asked what do you want to put back
on the table and what do you want to leave behind?
And I think that summarizes where humanity is at. What
do we want to leave behind? Let's find the pieces
and let bring them into our line of sight and
let's let them go.
Speaker 1: That was beautiful, By the way, What is the most
important message you want people to take away from the
relationship between quantum physics, consciousness, and our spiritual existence.
Speaker 2: You are a unique collection of subatomic particles. You are
powered by consciousness, you are quantum consciousness, you are the
spiritual being having the human experience, and you are maldi dimension.
So I would just offer to people that what you've
asked in that question, Alex is the great summary of
who they are, because everyone is all of that. And
when we transcend the society or conditioning that we've been
offered since we were kids, it permeates our business systems,
medical systems, education systems, all of it. It's all permeated
with You are limited, and I want to say that
that's all based upon a lie. So when you find
your own truth, you're set free from the matrix, if
you want to call it that. I think everyone is new.
Speaker 1: Everyone has the potential to be here. There's no question
about it, no question about it. One other thing, you
said that mister Newton's are Doctor Newton's Foundation has changed
a little bit of his findings over the course of
their What were there some of the differences between his
work and the Institute's work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael passed now seven years ago, so it's been
a while that we've carried on his work to forty countries,
twenty five languages, reproducing what he originally found. But we're
seeing a letting go of the structure. And some of
the main trends that we're seeing is people don't need
the whole structure that I described to you earlier in
this conversation. People are not needing that sort of structure
to be able to get the information they need. We've
got a lot of people who are here incarnating on
Earth now who have a lineage that goes off world,
that have incarnated in other places, other dimensions, etc. And
they've been drawn here to be part of this incredible change.
You've got to change the ingredients of the cake if
you want to bake differently. And thirdly, there's this huge
shift Alex from me to we. Be doing the life
between life's work for twenty years and I look at
people fifteen twenty years ago when they were first coming
to me, and they would say, what's my purpose for
this lifetime? What am I here to do? Now people
are saying, I'm here to do something, to be part
of something that's far bigger than me. I've come here
for the awakening of consciousness. So the shift from me
to we, I think is a great indication of our
shift into this oneness that we're starting to experience more of.
And the way to experience woneness is to work out
where not in the wonderers, and those are the pieces
that need to be fixed.
Speaker 1: I'll be I'm going to ask a few questions to
ask on my guests. What is your definition of living
a fulfilled life?
Speaker 2: It's about being in resonance, in resonance with your soul
and the plan that you came here to do and
to contribute to something beyond yourself. And I feel that
that brings a level of resonance to your life that
just allows you to experience fulfillment, to know that you're
on track and that allows you to be a peace.
Speaker 1: If you can go back in time and talk to
a little PD, what advice would you get them?
Speaker 2: Get out of the banking industry quicker?
Speaker 1: But in another reality, you did get out of the
banking earlier. So that is living a much higher life
than you are, sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had twenty years in corporate life. But
what that taught me. I taught me a lot about leadership,
taught me a lot about communication. And when the Marca
when Institute needed a finance policy, I was the guy
to write one for them so that we were sustainable
for future generations and everything everything serves. But I would
I'd also say, more seriously, I'd say a little pee,
maintain the eyes through which you see the world that
are full of awe and wonder and hold on to
that as you get older, because they will steer you
from the purity of your soul.
Speaker 1: Is that is that the reason why children have such
a purity of heart, because they're closer to source. They
just got here so they haven't been kind of muddied
up the by the system as much. And BELI and
also as you get older, when you're closing in on
the end, you start to change as well in other
ways as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're sort of revert back. And I've got a
mum who's closed to transition now and she sees things
sometimes she grabs things in the air. What you're doing there?
I know this just needs to be fixed. Is she
opening a portal to the afterlife? Is she having a
memory of pick and fruit when she was a kid.
I'm not sure what she's doing, but I know that
she's getting closer and the environment around her is changing.
She sees things now. I think she's piercing the veil.
How do you define dad or source? Ultimately, it comes
back to two things. It comes back to love and
it comes back to us. And if I look at
that ocean of consciousness that I talked about, all those
water droppedlets are permeated with love. There's something in water
and consciousness that is yet to be discovered, will be
at some point. I've had clients tell me about that
that we're missing what the potential of water really is
and we're like seventy percent water as well. So there's
something there that's going to be uncovered at some point.
But for me, you know, I don't have a traditional
Biblical view of God. I have it as sort of
the oneness of which we are all apart and together.
In that woneness we are go.
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2: I feel it's to learn and grow and evolve. But
if I look at why do we take human form
the purpose of a life? I like to feel that
it's about making a difference in the lives of others.
Speaker 1: And where can people find out more about you and
the work you're doing.
Speaker 2: Michael, you can institute. We're out there at Newton Institute
dot org. The other work that I do with quantum
consciousness is Quantumconsciousness dot com. You and we have an institute,
a game with sixty people around the world, and you're
the chief for quantum Consciousness yep is the chief for
Quantumconsciousness dot com. There is that book, and more recently
I wrote a book following that one, The Transcendence of
celest Kelly. This is my worn version, but in that
book I put together a whole aspect of all of
the work that I've done over twenty years. I built
into a story about a quantum physicist that goes chasing consciousness.
People try to stop her. Her father died in mysterious
circumstances because he was issuing free energy, and she accidentally
stumbles across the metaphysical approach that quantum physics has been missing,
and she finds a way in which to collapse timelines
into a future Earth that is everything that we wanted
to be.
Speaker 1: A friend, and do you have a parting message for
the ideas, We'll be right back after a word from
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Speaker 2: Don't explore, discover who you really are, and that will
not just be great for you, but it'll be great
for everybody around you, because you'll encourage them to do
the same for me. It's the ripple effect. One person
wakes up, tells another person who wakes up, tells another
couple who wake up, and we can take humanity into
a whole new consciousness and finally understand the potential of
who we are better.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for this conversation. I appreciate this
conversation and everything you're doing for the world, my friend,
So thank you, and I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: I've got to say right back at you, Alex. You're
having some conversations that are changing lives. Thank you for
what you do.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this secret time with us today.
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