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<v Speaker 1>By Billy cunning him the Great American. About three weeks

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<v Speaker 1>ago I had on Congressman brad Winstrip and the parents

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<v Speaker 1>of Jack Quell, who found himself in a situation on

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<v Speaker 1>the East Coast three or four years after graduation, in

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<v Speaker 1>which he was working doing his thing and a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of him were using some cocaine which they should not

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<v Speaker 1>have done. The parents have freely admit to that he

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<v Speaker 1>was a graduate of Muller High School. Great kid, shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have done it. He did it. And I had a

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<v Speaker 1>deadly dose of fentanyl inside. And Jackquell died by himself,

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<v Speaker 1>gasping for breath. And they have a foundation Do It

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<v Speaker 1>for Jack, Do It for Jack dot com, which is

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<v Speaker 1>out there. And I think today is National Fentanyl Awareness Day,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's an explosive new documentary available from doctor Robert

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<v Speaker 1>to Margaret Fentanyl Death Incorporated has taken America by storm.

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<v Speaker 1>The numbers north of one hundred thousand Americans every year

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<v Speaker 1>die of it. And doctor Robert Marbat, welcome again to

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill Cunningham Show and explain to me how it started,

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<v Speaker 1>where it came from the last few years as metastasized.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Donald Trump's behavior on the southern border

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<v Speaker 1>certainly has held quite a bit and stemming the tide,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not going to stop it. Explain why this

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<v Speaker 1>crisis is happening right now, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>It really only started about fifteen years ago, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a direct tie between Purdue Pharma in the southwest border

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<v Speaker 2>and the Mexican cartels. As we all remember that crisis

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<v Speaker 2>that went on in all the lawsuits against the hospitals, doctors, pharmacies.

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<v Speaker 2>So suddenly that drug supply dried up, the synthetic opioids,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had millions of people on scripts, hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>thousands addicted. So China, working with the Mexican cartels, started

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<v Speaker 2>bringing it across the southwest border and that was the

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<v Speaker 2>start of the fentnyl crisis about fifteen years ago. Since then,

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<v Speaker 2>it's evaulved as you start to tighten up, and President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has done an amazing job of closing down the

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<v Speaker 2>southwest border, and he's also working on the northern border

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<v Speaker 2>with the Canadian biker gangs who started to get into

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<v Speaker 2>the business. And so as we close those borders down,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to have to also start working at the

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<v Speaker 2>boards of entury. That it's natural that it will start

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<v Speaker 2>to come through. And the other thing I'm really getting

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<v Speaker 2>worried about is that people will start producing it internally

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<v Speaker 2>because the United States, which is only about four and

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<v Speaker 2>a half percent of the world's populations, consuming thirty eight

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the worldwide supply of fitnel. So as you

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<v Speaker 2>close down the borders, and by the way, the price

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<v Speaker 2>has already started to climb. The price for one pill

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<v Speaker 2>of a thirty milligram pill was way below a dollar.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's up in some parts of the country fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen dollars. That means the border is working. It means

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<v Speaker 2>it's tightened up. But what we don't want I have

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<v Speaker 2>is now suddenly a gang down the street starting to

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<v Speaker 2>produce it. And that's what I worry about. Will be

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<v Speaker 2>the next phase here.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not required from Russia, or from China or

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<v Speaker 1>from Iran. All countries who wish us ill. And the

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<v Speaker 1>view of the Chinese government about the typical American is fat, lazy, fat,

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<v Speaker 1>and flatulant. That's the view, and they won us dead.

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<v Speaker 1>And hijio ping has been successful. So you're saying, even

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<v Speaker 1>if we have some success with China not importing fentanyl.

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<v Speaker 1>I read somewhere that someone can buy on Amazon at

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<v Speaker 1>pill press for like one or two hundred dollars, and

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<v Speaker 1>somebody could get into the fentanyl business quickly by buying

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<v Speaker 1>a pill press and putting the fentanyl inside the drug,

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<v Speaker 1>stamp something on it to make it look like an

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<v Speaker 1>acceptable drug, and someone could be in the fentanyl business quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>But where do they get the precursors? Where do they

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<v Speaker 1>get the drug itself?

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor, Well, the precursors or if you will, the active

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<v Speaker 2>ingredients still are coming mostly from China. They're coming from

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<v Speaker 2>a few other places, Pakistan, India, but China is about

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<v Speaker 2>eighty percent of the precursors and now pre precursors. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that's why you've still got to be tough on China.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it cut down all the precursors, but we

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<v Speaker 2>also got to be very aware that as you can

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<v Speaker 2>get these precursors into the United States through a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different ways. I mean, some people were just mailing

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<v Speaker 2>it into the United States and it wasn't getting checked.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what's so great about President Trump is he's

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<v Speaker 2>taken this Sirius. He's gone after both borders, both in

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<v Speaker 2>the northern and southern border. He's gone after the ports

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<v Speaker 2>of injury is getting tighter at the airports and so.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know that's working because the price of a

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<v Speaker 2>pill was under a dollar just four or five six

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<v Speaker 2>months ago, and now it's running about fifteen to eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>in parts of the United States. So we now know

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<v Speaker 2>the borders are getting tightened up. Now we have to

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<v Speaker 2>then start focusing on our own gang activity inside the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, because my prediction is that will start to

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<v Speaker 2>shift into the local gangs or sort of the gang

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<v Speaker 2>down the street will say, hey, I can get into that.

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<v Speaker 2>I can make that profit now that the borders are tighter.

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<v Speaker 1>So this fentanyl could be in marijuana, it could be

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<v Speaker 1>in pills, it could be in cocaine, it could be

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<v Speaker 1>in heroin. What is the motivation of a drug dealer,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say you're in the drug dealing business to kill

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<v Speaker 1>your customer. I mean, I think about Jack Quill from

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<v Speaker 1>Muller High School. Well, what is the motivation of killing

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<v Speaker 1>your customer?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, their motivation is pure money and they want to

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<v Speaker 2>sell as much of it as they can. They are

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<v Speaker 2>working really hard to try to lower the lethality of

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<v Speaker 2>it so that people will live and buy more. But

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<v Speaker 2>the problem with fentanyl, and like the other drug we

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen, is the potency is so so powerful that

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<v Speaker 2>no matter how much you cut it, it's still deadly.

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<v Speaker 2>And and they're really working hard, like up in Kensington

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<v Speaker 2>in Philadelphia that was the epicenter of a a version

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<v Speaker 2>of fitno called trank, which is mixing horse tranquilizer with fitnyl.

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<v Speaker 2>And the goal and think about that horse tranquilizer, that'd

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<v Speaker 2>be bad enough, but we're going to mix it with fitnyl.

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<v Speaker 2>But their goal is to make it less lethal so

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<v Speaker 2>that you'll continue to buy. So they're really trying to

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<v Speaker 2>lower the you know how potent this drug is. But

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<v Speaker 2>finnel is so powerful, that's the problem. That's the hard

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<v Speaker 2>part to do. But the high is so powerful. People

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<v Speaker 2>crave that high that they'll do anything to get it,

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<v Speaker 2>even if they know it's it might kill them. And

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<v Speaker 2>and that's just mind boggling to me how we got here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when I if I would take a salt and

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<v Speaker 1>turn it upside down one time, how many minute grains

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<v Speaker 1>of salt representing one little grain of fentanyl is too much?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, two grains of salt would kill most anybody in

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<v Speaker 2>fentanyl if it was any fentanyl equivalent, and three grains

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<v Speaker 2>would kill anybody. Two, So two to three grains of

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<v Speaker 2>salt would kill a person. Another way to think about

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<v Speaker 2>it is a rice grain. An average rice grain will

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<v Speaker 2>kill fifteen people.

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<v Speaker 1>One grain of rice would kill And so that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>When the drug dealers are mixing this, they may be

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit off, and if they're a little bit off,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll kill They'll kill the customer absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes your batch, this is not done in white

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<v Speaker 2>gloved lads, is perfectly mixed with titrations and all this

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<v Speaker 2>this is done in back alleys and jungles, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>back of burnout buses, And so you might have a

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<v Speaker 2>batch that comes out and has very little fentanyl in it,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've sold it to the customer and they're disappointed,

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<v Speaker 2>and then another part of the batch may have more

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<v Speaker 2>of it. The other problem we're starting to see is

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<v Speaker 2>about seventy percent of all other illisted drugs are now

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<v Speaker 2>starting to have traces of fitnyl in it. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you have a trace of coke or math, that's bad

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<v Speaker 2>for you. But the lethality level, the potency level is

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<v Speaker 2>just not nearly what it is in fitnyl. That literally

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<v Speaker 2>fitnyl dust will kill you. Fentanyl dust. You know, we've

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<v Speaker 2>not seen that in any other drug that literally dust

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<v Speaker 2>from making fentanyl will kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not too active in the drug community, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>told by Cincinnati cops there are drug abusers. There are

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<v Speaker 1>drug abuses on the street and they take their drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's marijuana or whether it's a cocaine or heroin,

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<v Speaker 1>anticipating it's filled with fentanyl. And they have a friend

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<v Speaker 1>with narkham next to them, and if I pass out

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<v Speaker 1>and don't come back, hit me with narkam. And so

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<v Speaker 1>many people do not travel around with narkam on them.

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<v Speaker 1>And now it's become a thing to have public institutions

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<v Speaker 1>have narkham available if you at the library of police department.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a terrible problem in the inner cities of

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<v Speaker 1>this great country of ours, with thousands of homeless individuals

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<v Speaker 1>that are mentally ill and drug addicted, who will have

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<v Speaker 1>a copious amounts of narkham available. So when they get

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<v Speaker 1>that extra little grain of fentanyl in their heroine or

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<v Speaker 1>in their marijuana and smoking it, even as you say

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<v Speaker 1>the dust of a fentanyl can kill, they have someone

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<v Speaker 1>available with Narkham. Would you encourage colleges, universities, more police departments,

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<v Speaker 1>public libraries, employers to have narkam available.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a real complex issue because in one side,

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<v Speaker 2>you absolutely saved the person to live another day. The

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<v Speaker 2>downside is it doesn't solve the problem in the long run.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't even solve the problem in the intermediate run.

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<v Speaker 2>It does solve it for that particular dosing or that overdose.

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<v Speaker 2>And so to me, we got to set up a

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<v Speaker 2>system where the narcan is in conjunction with treatment and

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<v Speaker 2>recovery and that you go in. But unfortunately, especially the

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<v Speaker 2>West Coast and a little bit in the Northeast, we've

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<v Speaker 2>made it so easy to get high and so hard

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<v Speaker 2>to get treatment. We got to flip that on the

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<v Speaker 2>head and make it easy to get treatment hard to

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<v Speaker 2>get high. So, if you're using narcan with a treatment

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<v Speaker 2>and recovery protocol, makes all the sense in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>But if we start using narcan is sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>crutch to be able to use more drugs, that starts

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<v Speaker 2>to become a big problem.

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<v Speaker 1>The lethality of this particular drug. I'm am I correct

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<v Speaker 1>to state that about seventy percent of illicit drugs of

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<v Speaker 1>one type or another carries fentanyl inside. Is the great majority,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's marijuana, heroin, cocaine, myth, the great majority have

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<v Speaker 1>fentanyl inside the.

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<v Speaker 2>Drug exactly right. And that's why we can't just be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about fitnel. We have to be talking about all

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<v Speaker 2>illicit drugs and the fact that over two thirds of

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<v Speaker 2>whatever illicit drug you have on the street is has

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<v Speaker 2>fitnel in it. We really have to realize, how are

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<v Speaker 2>you going to be lucky and get a non lethal dose?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it literally is that you're going to be lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Because what I'm finding when I spend time out on

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<v Speaker 2>the streets and working with the police officers and doing

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<v Speaker 2>the outreach with the Homelessness Commune, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>dealers don't even know fittnel was in it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was literally tainted. You know, it wasn't purposely laced,

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like a marketing tool. It was that somebody

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<v Speaker 2>when Thursday was making fetnyl and Friday they were making

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<v Speaker 2>K two spice and it got cross contaminated and they

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<v Speaker 2>literally don't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Lastly, there's a foreign policy element to this that

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've addressed briefly in this interview relative to

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<v Speaker 1>communist red China who want to kill Americans. And they

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<v Speaker 1>also the Mexican drug cartels are making addition to human trafficking.

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<v Speaker 1>With human trafficking now at the bottom. Because of Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>this is about the one hundred day, there's been a

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven percent reduction in illegal immigrants coming across the

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<v Speaker 1>southern border. And so now, what is communist red China

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<v Speaker 1>do If the price of these pills, instead of being

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<v Speaker 1>a dollar, are going to be fifteen to eighteen dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>what is communist red chrying to do? They view us

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<v Speaker 1>as horrible, fat, lazy, and flatulent human beings that are

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<v Speaker 1>incapable of governing their own passions and desiurs. So what

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<v Speaker 1>is China? How do they react to the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>the mules across the southern border are not going to

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<v Speaker 2>So think about it from a China point of view.

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<v Speaker 2>They're bringing in hard green cash, you know, heartback currency

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<v Speaker 2>when they have a very weak currency, so they're getting

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<v Speaker 2>money in. It doesn't cost them any money to do this,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're destabilizing their number one adversaries, So they make

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<v Speaker 2>money while destabilizing their adversary. I don't think they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to pull up stakes and say all right, we're done

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<v Speaker 2>that because a fifteen year run on fentanyl and we're

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<v Speaker 2>out of here. I think they're going to start trying

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<v Speaker 2>to find other ways to get the precursors. And now

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<v Speaker 2>they're starting to specialize on what's called pre precursors, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to get it into our country. And so

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<v Speaker 2>this is cat and mouse game. But it's not a game,

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<v Speaker 2>is that's and so we absolutely have to be ready

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<v Speaker 2>for them to start trying to get more through the airports,

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<v Speaker 2>now more through the water ports on the east and

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<v Speaker 2>west coast because President Trump is locked down the southwest border.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a trickle. And the number I always follow,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know it's a little bit wonky, is what's

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<v Speaker 2>called the getaways. You know, how many people did they

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<v Speaker 2>see on video or the sensors that they weren't able

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<v Speaker 2>to get And at times that had been over a

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<v Speaker 2>million a year. I think one time it's like one

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<v Speaker 2>point eight million over the last four years. Don't hold

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<v Speaker 2>me that, but I think there's a ballpark there. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we're down to single digit getaways in a week on it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he has really done a great job on

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<v Speaker 2>the southwest border. He's also working that part on the

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<v Speaker 2>northern border. But that means our water ports and our airports,

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<v Speaker 2>the Canadian frontier between Alaska and Canada. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people forget that. The Canadian US is the longest linear

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people forget that. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to pull up states. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to save the parties over. I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>just going to find new ways to try to get

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<v Speaker 2>it in. And we got to be adaptable and moved

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<v Speaker 2>quickly to intervene.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Robert Dermargaret. The documentary is Fentanyl Death Incorporated. You're

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<v Speaker 1>with the Discovery Institute, and you've sounded the alarm again. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>April the twenty ninth is National Fentanyl Awareness Day. Parents, brothers, sisters, children,

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<v Speaker 1>grandparents got to be aware of what's out there. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure Jack Couell of Muller High School was completely

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<v Speaker 1>unaware of what he was doing when he took that

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<v Speaker 1>drug he shouldn't have taken, and he paid for it

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<v Speaker 1>with his life. And there were two girls at co

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<v Speaker 1>Edge from Ohio State did the same thing. They exchanged

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<v Speaker 1>some dietary pills that looked right on the cover, but

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<v Speaker 1>they turn out to be filled with fentanyl. You get

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<v Speaker 1>your prescriptive drugs from the pharmacy and Forewarned is forearmed.

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<v Speaker 1>And once again, doctor Robert Margaret, thanks for coming on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, doctor, thanks for having me again. Really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>God bless you. Let's continue with more. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>today is National FENTONL Awareness Day. Go to the website

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<v Speaker 1>do it for Jack dot com. Do it for Jack

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