Speaker 1: By Billy cunning him the Great American. About three weeks
Speaker 1: ago I had on Congressman brad Winstrip and the parents
Speaker 1: of Jack Quell, who found himself in a situation on
Speaker 1: the East Coast three or four years after graduation, in
Speaker 1: which he was working doing his thing and a friend
Speaker 1: of him were using some cocaine which they should not
Speaker 1: have done. The parents have freely admit to that he
Speaker 1: was a graduate of Muller High School. Great kid, shouldn't
Speaker 1: have done it. He did it. And I had a
Speaker 1: deadly dose of fentanyl inside. And Jackquell died by himself,
Speaker 1: gasping for breath. And they have a foundation Do It
Speaker 1: for Jack, Do It for Jack dot com, which is
Speaker 1: out there. And I think today is National Fentanyl Awareness Day,
Speaker 1: and there's an explosive new documentary available from doctor Robert
Speaker 1: to Margaret Fentanyl Death Incorporated has taken America by storm.
Speaker 1: The numbers north of one hundred thousand Americans every year
Speaker 1: die of it. And doctor Robert Marbat, welcome again to
Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Show and explain to me how it started,
Speaker 1: where it came from the last few years as metastasized.
Speaker 1: And I think Donald Trump's behavior on the southern border
Speaker 1: certainly has held quite a bit and stemming the tide,
Speaker 1: but that's not going to stop it. Explain why this
Speaker 1: crisis is happening right now, Well.
Speaker 2: It really only started about fifteen years ago, and there's
Speaker 2: a direct tie between Purdue Pharma in the southwest border
Speaker 2: and the Mexican cartels. As we all remember that crisis
Speaker 2: that went on in all the lawsuits against the hospitals, doctors, pharmacies.
Speaker 2: So suddenly that drug supply dried up, the synthetic opioids,
Speaker 2: and they had millions of people on scripts, hundreds of
Speaker 2: thousands addicted. So China, working with the Mexican cartels, started
Speaker 2: bringing it across the southwest border and that was the
Speaker 2: start of the fentnyl crisis about fifteen years ago. Since then,
Speaker 2: it's evaulved as you start to tighten up, and President
Speaker 2: Trump has done an amazing job of closing down the
Speaker 2: southwest border, and he's also working on the northern border
Speaker 2: with the Canadian biker gangs who started to get into
Speaker 2: the business. And so as we close those borders down,
Speaker 2: we're going to have to also start working at the
Speaker 2: boards of entury. That it's natural that it will start
Speaker 2: to come through. And the other thing I'm really getting
Speaker 2: worried about is that people will start producing it internally
Speaker 2: because the United States, which is only about four and
Speaker 2: a half percent of the world's populations, consuming thirty eight
Speaker 2: percent of the worldwide supply of fitnel. So as you
Speaker 2: close down the borders, and by the way, the price
Speaker 2: has already started to climb. The price for one pill
Speaker 2: of a thirty milligram pill was way below a dollar.
Speaker 2: Now it's up in some parts of the country fifteen
Speaker 2: eighteen dollars. That means the border is working. It means
Speaker 2: it's tightened up. But what we don't want I have
Speaker 2: is now suddenly a gang down the street starting to
Speaker 2: produce it. And that's what I worry about. Will be
Speaker 2: the next phase here.
Speaker 1: So it's not required from Russia, or from China or
Speaker 1: from Iran. All countries who wish us ill. And the
Speaker 1: view of the Chinese government about the typical American is fat, lazy, fat,
Speaker 1: and flatulant. That's the view, and they won us dead.
Speaker 1: And hijio ping has been successful. So you're saying, even
Speaker 1: if we have some success with China not importing fentanyl.
Speaker 1: I read somewhere that someone can buy on Amazon at
Speaker 1: pill press for like one or two hundred dollars, and
Speaker 1: somebody could get into the fentanyl business quickly by buying
Speaker 1: a pill press and putting the fentanyl inside the drug,
Speaker 1: stamp something on it to make it look like an
Speaker 1: acceptable drug, and someone could be in the fentanyl business quickly.
Speaker 1: But where do they get the precursors? Where do they
Speaker 1: get the drug itself?
Speaker 2: Doctor, Well, the precursors or if you will, the active
Speaker 2: ingredients still are coming mostly from China. They're coming from
Speaker 2: a few other places, Pakistan, India, but China is about
Speaker 2: eighty percent of the precursors and now pre precursors. And
Speaker 2: so that's why you've still got to be tough on China.
Speaker 2: You got it cut down all the precursors, but we
Speaker 2: also got to be very aware that as you can
Speaker 2: get these precursors into the United States through a lot
Speaker 2: of different ways. I mean, some people were just mailing
Speaker 2: it into the United States and it wasn't getting checked.
Speaker 2: And that's what's so great about President Trump is he's
Speaker 2: taken this Sirius. He's gone after both borders, both in
Speaker 2: the northern and southern border. He's gone after the ports
Speaker 2: of injury is getting tighter at the airports and so.
Speaker 2: And we know that's working because the price of a
Speaker 2: pill was under a dollar just four or five six
Speaker 2: months ago, and now it's running about fifteen to eighteen
Speaker 2: in parts of the United States. So we now know
Speaker 2: the borders are getting tightened up. Now we have to
Speaker 2: then start focusing on our own gang activity inside the
Speaker 2: United States, because my prediction is that will start to
Speaker 2: shift into the local gangs or sort of the gang
Speaker 2: down the street will say, hey, I can get into that.
Speaker 2: I can make that profit now that the borders are tighter.
Speaker 1: So this fentanyl could be in marijuana, it could be
Speaker 1: in pills, it could be in cocaine, it could be
Speaker 1: in heroin. What is the motivation of a drug dealer,
Speaker 1: Let's say you're in the drug dealing business to kill
Speaker 1: your customer. I mean, I think about Jack Quill from
Speaker 1: Muller High School. Well, what is the motivation of killing
Speaker 1: your customer?
Speaker 2: Well, their motivation is pure money and they want to
Speaker 2: sell as much of it as they can. They are
Speaker 2: working really hard to try to lower the lethality of
Speaker 2: it so that people will live and buy more. But
Speaker 2: the problem with fentanyl, and like the other drug we
Speaker 2: ever seen, is the potency is so so powerful that
Speaker 2: no matter how much you cut it, it's still deadly.
Speaker 2: And and they're really working hard, like up in Kensington
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia that was the epicenter of a a version
Speaker 2: of fitno called trank, which is mixing horse tranquilizer with fitnyl.
Speaker 2: And the goal and think about that horse tranquilizer, that'd
Speaker 2: be bad enough, but we're going to mix it with fitnyl.
Speaker 2: But their goal is to make it less lethal so
Speaker 2: that you'll continue to buy. So they're really trying to
Speaker 2: lower the you know how potent this drug is. But
Speaker 2: finnel is so powerful, that's the problem. That's the hard
Speaker 2: part to do. But the high is so powerful. People
Speaker 2: crave that high that they'll do anything to get it,
Speaker 2: even if they know it's it might kill them. And
Speaker 2: and that's just mind boggling to me how we got here.
Speaker 1: Well, when I if I would take a salt and
Speaker 1: turn it upside down one time, how many minute grains
Speaker 1: of salt representing one little grain of fentanyl is too much?
Speaker 2: Well, two grains of salt would kill most anybody in
Speaker 2: fentanyl if it was any fentanyl equivalent, and three grains
Speaker 2: would kill anybody. Two, So two to three grains of
Speaker 2: salt would kill a person. Another way to think about
Speaker 2: it is a rice grain. An average rice grain will
Speaker 2: kill fifteen people.
Speaker 1: One grain of rice would kill And so that's the problem.
Speaker 1: When the drug dealers are mixing this, they may be
Speaker 1: a little bit off, and if they're a little bit off,
Speaker 1: they'll kill They'll kill the customer absolutely.
Speaker 2: And sometimes your batch, this is not done in white
Speaker 2: gloved lads, is perfectly mixed with titrations and all this
Speaker 2: this is done in back alleys and jungles, you know,
Speaker 2: back of burnout buses, And so you might have a
Speaker 2: batch that comes out and has very little fentanyl in it,
Speaker 2: and they've sold it to the customer and they're disappointed,
Speaker 2: and then another part of the batch may have more
Speaker 2: of it. The other problem we're starting to see is
Speaker 2: about seventy percent of all other illisted drugs are now
Speaker 2: starting to have traces of fitnyl in it. And if
Speaker 2: you have a trace of coke or math, that's bad
Speaker 2: for you. But the lethality level, the potency level is
Speaker 2: just not nearly what it is in fitnyl. That literally
Speaker 2: fitnyl dust will kill you. Fentanyl dust. You know, we've
Speaker 2: not seen that in any other drug that literally dust
Speaker 2: from making fentanyl will kill you.
Speaker 1: I'm not too active in the drug community, but I'm
Speaker 1: told by Cincinnati cops there are drug abusers. There are
Speaker 1: drug abuses on the street and they take their drugs,
Speaker 1: whether it's marijuana or whether it's a cocaine or heroin,
Speaker 1: anticipating it's filled with fentanyl. And they have a friend
Speaker 1: with narkham next to them, and if I pass out
Speaker 1: and don't come back, hit me with narkam. And so
Speaker 1: many people do not travel around with narkam on them.
Speaker 1: And now it's become a thing to have public institutions
Speaker 1: have narkham available if you at the library of police department.
Speaker 1: And there's a terrible problem in the inner cities of
Speaker 1: this great country of ours, with thousands of homeless individuals
Speaker 1: that are mentally ill and drug addicted, who will have
Speaker 1: a copious amounts of narkham available. So when they get
Speaker 1: that extra little grain of fentanyl in their heroine or
Speaker 1: in their marijuana and smoking it, even as you say
Speaker 1: the dust of a fentanyl can kill, they have someone
Speaker 1: available with Narkham. Would you encourage colleges, universities, more police departments,
Speaker 1: public libraries, employers to have narkam available.
Speaker 2: This is a real complex issue because in one side,
Speaker 2: you absolutely saved the person to live another day. The
Speaker 2: downside is it doesn't solve the problem in the long run.
Speaker 2: It doesn't even solve the problem in the intermediate run.
Speaker 2: It does solve it for that particular dosing or that overdose.
Speaker 2: And so to me, we got to set up a
Speaker 2: system where the narcan is in conjunction with treatment and
Speaker 2: recovery and that you go in. But unfortunately, especially the
Speaker 2: West Coast and a little bit in the Northeast, we've
Speaker 2: made it so easy to get high and so hard
Speaker 2: to get treatment. We got to flip that on the
Speaker 2: head and make it easy to get treatment hard to
Speaker 2: get high. So, if you're using narcan with a treatment
Speaker 2: and recovery protocol, makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 2: But if we start using narcan is sort of a
Speaker 2: crutch to be able to use more drugs, that starts
Speaker 2: to become a big problem.
Speaker 1: The lethality of this particular drug. I'm am I correct
Speaker 1: to state that about seventy percent of illicit drugs of
Speaker 1: one type or another carries fentanyl inside. Is the great majority,
Speaker 1: whether it's marijuana, heroin, cocaine, myth, the great majority have
Speaker 1: fentanyl inside the.
Speaker 2: Drug exactly right. And that's why we can't just be
Speaker 2: talking about fitnel. We have to be talking about all
Speaker 2: illicit drugs and the fact that over two thirds of
Speaker 2: whatever illicit drug you have on the street is has
Speaker 2: fitnel in it. We really have to realize, how are
Speaker 2: you going to be lucky and get a non lethal dose?
Speaker 2: Because it literally is that you're going to be lucky.
Speaker 2: Because what I'm finding when I spend time out on
Speaker 2: the streets and working with the police officers and doing
Speaker 2: the outreach with the Homelessness Commune, a lot of the
Speaker 2: dealers don't even know fittnel was in it. You know,
Speaker 2: it was literally tainted. You know, it wasn't purposely laced,
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a marketing tool. It was that somebody
Speaker 2: when Thursday was making fetnyl and Friday they were making
Speaker 2: K two spice and it got cross contaminated and they
Speaker 2: literally don't know that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Lastly, there's a foreign policy element to this that
Speaker 1: I think you've addressed briefly in this interview relative to
Speaker 1: communist red China who want to kill Americans. And they
Speaker 1: also the Mexican drug cartels are making addition to human trafficking.
Speaker 1: With human trafficking now at the bottom. Because of Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: this is about the one hundred day, there's been a
Speaker 1: ninety seven percent reduction in illegal immigrants coming across the
Speaker 1: southern border. And so now, what is communist red China
Speaker 1: do If the price of these pills, instead of being
Speaker 1: a dollar, are going to be fifteen to eighteen dollars,
Speaker 1: what is communist red chrying to do? They view us
Speaker 1: as horrible, fat, lazy, and flatulent human beings that are
Speaker 1: incapable of governing their own passions and desiurs. So what
Speaker 1: is China? How do they react to the idea that
Speaker 1: the mules across the southern border are not going to
Speaker 1: be there anymore.
Speaker 2: So think about it from a China point of view.
Speaker 2: They're bringing in hard green cash, you know, heartback currency
Speaker 2: when they have a very weak currency, so they're getting
Speaker 2: money in. It doesn't cost them any money to do this,
Speaker 2: and they're destabilizing their number one adversaries, So they make
Speaker 2: money while destabilizing their adversary. I don't think they're going
Speaker 2: to pull up stakes and say all right, we're done
Speaker 2: that because a fifteen year run on fentanyl and we're
Speaker 2: out of here. I think they're going to start trying
Speaker 2: to find other ways to get the precursors. And now
Speaker 2: they're starting to specialize on what's called pre precursors, and
Speaker 2: they're trying to get it into our country. And so
Speaker 2: this is cat and mouse game. But it's not a game,
Speaker 2: is that's and so we absolutely have to be ready
Speaker 2: for them to start trying to get more through the airports,
Speaker 2: now more through the water ports on the east and
Speaker 2: west coast because President Trump is locked down the southwest border.
Speaker 2: It is a trickle. And the number I always follow,
Speaker 2: and I know it's a little bit wonky, is what's
Speaker 2: called the getaways. You know, how many people did they
Speaker 2: see on video or the sensors that they weren't able
Speaker 2: to get And at times that had been over a
Speaker 2: million a year. I think one time it's like one
Speaker 2: point eight million over the last four years. Don't hold
Speaker 2: me that, but I think there's a ballpark there. Now
Speaker 2: we're down to single digit getaways in a week on it.
Speaker 2: And so he has really done a great job on
Speaker 2: the southwest border. He's also working that part on the
Speaker 2: northern border. But that means our water ports and our airports,
Speaker 2: the Canadian frontier between Alaska and Canada. A lot of
Speaker 2: people forget that. The Canadian US is the longest linear
Speaker 2: border between any two countries in the world, ground border,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people forget that. So I think
Speaker 2: they're not going to pull up states. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're going to save the parties over. I think they're
Speaker 2: just going to find new ways to try to get
Speaker 2: it in. And we got to be adaptable and moved
Speaker 2: quickly to intervene.
Speaker 1: Doctor Robert Dermargaret. The documentary is Fentanyl Death Incorporated. You're
Speaker 1: with the Discovery Institute, and you've sounded the alarm again. Today,
Speaker 1: April the twenty ninth is National Fentanyl Awareness Day. Parents, brothers, sisters, children,
Speaker 1: grandparents got to be aware of what's out there. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure Jack Couell of Muller High School was completely
Speaker 1: unaware of what he was doing when he took that
Speaker 1: drug he shouldn't have taken, and he paid for it
Speaker 1: with his life. And there were two girls at co
Speaker 1: Edge from Ohio State did the same thing. They exchanged
Speaker 1: some dietary pills that looked right on the cover, but
Speaker 1: they turn out to be filled with fentanyl. You get
Speaker 1: your prescriptive drugs from the pharmacy and Forewarned is forearmed.
Speaker 1: And once again, doctor Robert Margaret, thanks for coming on
Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, doctor, thanks for having me again. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: God bless you. Let's continue with more. And by the way,
Speaker 1: today is National FENTONL Awareness Day. Go to the website
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