WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:04.160 Doctor SEUs, doctor Wave the piano anymore. 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:05.559 Of course you can't. 3 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:06.679 Well I couldn't before. 4 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:17.160 Please, I love legitimate. 5 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:19.519 Theater fourfinger discount. 6 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:37.479 Dude, Welcome to forfigire this game with this week, we're 7 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.320 going back to review an iconic episode from season seven 8 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:42.399 of The Simpsons. It is a fish called sum rhyme. 9 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:44.840 Dander and I am guy and we are not alone. 10 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:46.840 We are not alone. Indeed, we are joined this week 11 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:49.560 by the showrunner at the time in this episode, ed 12 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:52.759 it is Josh Weinstein, an absolute icon of the Simpsons world. 13 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:54.759 He is just an absolute delight to talk to you. 14 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:56.560 You guys are gonna have an absolute ball listen to us, 15 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:59.079 just talk about all the not just this episode in general, 16 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:00.799 but just all the behind this means of his time 17 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:03.479 working on the Simpsons, post and pre Simpsons as well. 18 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:05.120 You will have a bit of fun listening to us, 19 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:06.959 but mostly you'll be listening to Josh. He's got a 20 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:09.079 lot to say, and he's very entertaining saying it. Yeah, 21 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:12.879 got a lot of behind the scenes dish, yeah, but 22 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:16.079 a lot of insight into yeah, the creation of the show. 23 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:19.000 But also, as listeners of the show will know, we're big, 24 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.000 big fans of Phil Harmon, and we got some great 25 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:24.319 stuff about Phil because this is a very Phil centric episode. 26 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:26.519 It was indeed, Yeah, and he's touched on how great 27 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:28.799 it was to finally give Phil an episode, just give 28 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:31.040 Troy McClure his own episode as well, and why they 29 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:32.519 wanted to do that, so or we'll dove into that, 30 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:35.959 but also just delve into his time at the retreats, 31 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:38.200 which are really really interesting, some really behind the scenes 32 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:41.239 stuff about, I know, just how they were able to 33 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:44.439 get away with certain gags on The Simpsons, and a 34 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:47.359 really interesting story about how he now kind of regrets 35 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:49.079 leaving the Simpsons in the first place, which is really 36 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:50.719 interesting as well, So look out for that. In our 37 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:52.799 chat he with Josh Winston as we discussed a fish 38 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:55.159 caught salmon. But Josh is one of those guys. He 39 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.040 and Bill they were a team where they joined the Simpsons, 40 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:59.519 I least season four, but they were the first sort 41 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:02.200 of Simpson fans to join the writing team, and it 42 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:05.120 really shines through in this interview here where he seems 43 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.080 you can tell he's genuinely excited to discuss his time 44 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:10.719 working on the show and as a fan, these are 45 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:13.000 the kind of people. Josh and Bill my two favorite 46 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.080 people to talk to you because they are fans just 47 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:17.960 like you and I, and they enjoyed their time working 48 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.439 on the show, and they enjoyed making their own version 49 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:22.479 of The Simpsons. And it's just it's just an absolute 50 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:24.240 fantastic chat and I'm glad that we finally got a 51 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:24.759 chance to do it. 52 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:26.879 No, it's great doing interviews like this. Yeah, just getting 53 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:29.800 a look behind the scenes at how the sausage is made. 54 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:31.840 Sometimes you say you shouldn't do that, but when the 55 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:33.960 sausage is this tasty, who cares how they made it? 56 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:34.360 Yeah. 57 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:36.719 Also just an insight into the creative process in general. 58 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.560 I find them really really illuminating. And when it's yeah, 59 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:43.840 someone is articulate and forthcoming as Josh. Yeah, it's even even. 60 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:45.680 Better now at the end of this so basically, we 61 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:47.879 usually do our full run through of the episode, so 62 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.039 we did. We will be doing that, but we talked 63 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:51.439 with Josh and we've got about, you know, two thirds 64 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:53.240 of the way through, and we'll be going for an hour. 65 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.120 It's probably too late now to start a full run through, 66 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:56.759 so we're just touching the key points of the episode 67 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:58.400 because we've already been discussing it for like an hour 68 00:02:58.439 --> 00:02:59.919 as well as well. He's behind the scenes stuff, So 69 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:02.800 listen for once Josh and I, Well, once we finished 70 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:04.840 our chat with Josh, guy and I stick around and 71 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:07.439 we will record our full run through of the episode 72 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:08.520 as well, So if you want to hear the full 73 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:10.560 run through that is post our chat with Josh. But 74 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:12.960 you're wondering why is this episode so long? That is 75 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:14.759 why we didn't keep Josh in a line for three hours? 76 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:18.800 So look, who's ever complained about links? 77 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:20.039 I mean, he would have stuck around for three hours. 78 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:20.919 I feel like it was up for it. 79 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:23.719 We were like, Josh, we gotta go. 80 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:27.080 No, not at all. And Josh, that's going to be 81 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:29.080 coming back on the show next year sometime as well, 82 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.840 potentially to do this year Scratchy and Pucci show, or 83 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:33.400 maybe the Principle and the Porpa I think would be 84 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:35.319 a fune to talk to talk about as well, because yeah, 85 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.759 very iconic for dividing in the Simpsons fans, which he 86 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:40.439 was a part of creating. But again, don't forget. 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And he was Josh Winstein, 98 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:14.919 how are you doing? 99 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.000 My good say a good thank you? Is it like, 100 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.079 is it Thursday there? Or Wednesday? 101 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:22.360 It is Wednesday morning? 102 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:23.800 It's Wednesday next week? 103 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.720 Yeah, all right, yeah, it's last week here, it's last 104 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:27.920 week nineteen ninety five. 105 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.160 Donald Trump is now in his third term. So you 106 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:33.000 got that to look forward. 107 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:35.920 Oh boy, well you. 108 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:38.839 Didn't you wrote but versus Australia, didn't you the episode? 109 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.920 Yeah, that's it. That's always We have always wondered about 110 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:44.879 that because you know, the story behind it is like 111 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:47.079 we got after we wrote it, because we were like 112 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.120 we got there. We it was one of the first 113 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.360 times they're going to another country and we're like, you 114 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:54.120 know what, Australias have a good sense of humor. Let's 115 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.759 do that. And then after it aired, we got all 116 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:59.199 these letters from school children saying, why did you make 117 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.160 fun of our couple of blah blah. But then we've 118 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:04.560 heard that it was all from just one sour teacher, 119 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:08.720 and I've met other Australians who were kids at the 120 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:10.480 time and said, oh, they loved it. So I don't 121 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:11.480 what did you guys? 122 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:14.160 Well, see, I was a child at that time. I 123 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:16.120 grew up in that moment in the nineties, and we 124 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:19.600 loved it. And whenever I see oh Australians they didn't 125 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:21.560 take it the right way. They were offended. I look 126 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:24.279 back and go, I don't recall seeing anybody or hearing 127 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:26.839 anybody who was offended. We're all walking around saying Dollarydoes 128 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:29.879 I mean bluey? Our beloved Blue now uses dollary dues 129 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:31.079 as their term for money. 130 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:31.399 Yeah. 131 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.000 So we really wanted that campaign to make it the 132 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:37.639 official denomination to go ahead because that would be so cool. 133 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:41.480 No, very small, very easily offended sub section of Australians 134 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:45.920 who were. 135 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.519 There's an easy to offend sub section everywhere, like even 136 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.360 including on the Simpsons. I have a story about that 137 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:52.600 about this episode about the table read. 138 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:54.920 I actually know the one you're talking about. Was it 139 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:56.079 about the smoking gag? 140 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:57.399 Yes, smoking for two? 141 00:05:58.160 --> 00:05:59.720 Yeah, let's talk about it. 142 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:01.560 Let's about it now. So we did't talk about fish 143 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.199 called Salma and then always obviously Salma she got she 144 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:05.879 got in trouble for smoking in the first bit and 145 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:08.600 now it's worked, it works out well for choice Career 146 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:10.519 says no, she's now smoking for two because they're gonna 147 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:12.839 have a baby and go, Josh, what happened to the 148 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:14.319 table read when that line was run out? 149 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.759 Yeah, and it's also there's like they're they're already there's 150 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:22.160 a very like anti smoking and obviously cigarette smoker's bad 151 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:25.879 free blah blah blah. But it's there's antis we always 152 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:28.399 got notes about because you're not really supposed to show 153 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.800 cigarettes in cartoons because it's still kind of regarded as 154 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:34.720 a kid's show even then even then, so like we 155 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:36.839 get notes, but we are allowed, we are allowed to 156 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:39.600 do it. We are allowed to do it anyway. And 157 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:43.319 also so anyway, so here's the thing about Simpson's Table 158 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:48.040 Reads is like you're there to laugh and support the 159 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:50.199 script and if you don't like a joke, you know, 160 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:54.519 don't laugh, but don't, for god's sakes, don't call out 161 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:58.120 during the table read like this person did when they're 162 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:02.399 offended by the joke. Then was when they're decide that 163 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:05.920 they're gonna have a baby and the major d brings 164 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.800 up some cigarettes for Selma uh before because they didn't 165 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:11.279 like her smoking, but now that she's famous, blah blah blah, 166 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:15.720 they bring her cigarettes and Troy says, somebody asks somebody 167 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:18.240 something and Troy says, yeah, now she's smoking for two 168 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:23.279 And during the table read, somebody on the Simpsons staff 169 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:26.600 I will not say who called out and said that 170 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.279 has got to go, And it's like nobody and you 171 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.040 don't do that. Nobody does that. And it's also like 172 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.399 nobody except like the actors and the person running the 173 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:39.839 table read is supposed to ever say anything during a read. 174 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.199 And there was just like a moment of silence and 175 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:44.399 we just like continued. 176 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.920 Is that right? During the table raids? You just shut up? 177 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:47.920 Is that basically the case? 178 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.240 You should? You shut up and hopefully you laugh. And 179 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:54.839 normally there's like a ring, like there's a ring of writers, 180 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:58.160 like the actors and like the showrunner who's usually the 181 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:02.360 narrator sits at the table with actors and then like 182 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:05.160 the writers, and it's like, you know, like thirty of 183 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:08.519 her peat staff members who sit around the room and 184 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:11.720 we learned the writers. We would place ourselves next to 185 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:15.839 particularly sour people to like laugh ex and we'd laugh 186 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:19.120 extra loud to try to get them to laugh or 187 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:22.480 compensate for their sourness. But this was a person who'd 188 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:25.439 like never laughed and was not really as someone who 189 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:28.160 didn't really know what they did on the show. But 190 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:30.920 I guess it was to call out jokes they didn't like. 191 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:34.600 But eventually that person left the show. Not the joke. 192 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:36.799 So, but it is the thing, Josh, I mean, it 193 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:40.720 strikes me as kind of a fundamental misunderstanding of Troy McClue, 194 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:43.679 but also Troy McClure in this episode where he's extra selfish, 195 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:47.120 because I mean, you're putting this kind of dog gag 196 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:51.960 in the math of someone who's incredibly uh, you know, vain, insensitive, thoughtless. 197 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:53.960 You know, it works really really well. 198 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.159 Yeah, And that's the whole kind of point of a joke, 199 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.840 is it is like thoughtless, and it is like it 200 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:00.879 is like pointing out that that's not a good thing. 201 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:03.720 So anyway, Well, we do a staff pop podcast as well, 202 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:05.279 and quite off for me will heep people say, oh, 203 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:07.320 cotmany can you believe he's doing that? Can you believe 204 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:08.639 he's doing this? And it's saying this, It's like, yeah, 205 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:11.480 but it's common saying he's the bad guys to. 206 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:13.600 Be saying these things exactly. 207 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:16.080 But but yeah, do you miss your time working on 208 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:16.759 The Simpsons? 209 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:21.279 I do, because it was such they were really heavy 210 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:25.120 days because it was in it's I don't know how 211 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.519 it is now, but in the nineties it was also 212 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:33.559 because the internet was so nacent and like it was 213 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:36.039 really like it took ten minutes. It was a time 214 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:39.039 of dial up modems, so it take us ten minutes 215 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.000 to dial up to get online to read all TV 216 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:45.120 Simpsons where someone is saying worst episode ever, and it 217 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.639 ended up being an episode that everyone regarded as classic. 218 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:49.679 So we were kind of like, but we're kind of 219 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:54.399 very pleasantly sheltered because we really didn't like there wasn't 220 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:58.320 a lot of internet fandom going on, so we were 221 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:02.279 really just writing for ourselves. And also in the nineties, 222 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:05.799 during our time there, the Simpsons was still regarded as 223 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.000 like a kids show by adults. So like anyone over 224 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:12.600 forty either didn't like The Simpsons or didn't even know 225 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:16.639 about it, and so we were really like writing for ourselves. 226 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:19.799 And you know the whole story about how Fox wasn't 227 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:22.639 allowed to give us notes, So we were really like 228 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:26.279 sheltered in like a very good way, and we were 229 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.679 just writing for ourselves and Mac crating and Jim Brooks 230 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:33.639 was around occasionally. He had a big role in this episode, 231 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:36.039 by the way, and also like Matt was there and 232 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:39.159 they always like were super supportive of whatever we wanted 233 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:43.799 to do. So it was really that for that reason, 234 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:46.320 and also for the reason that Bill and I were 235 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:49.200 huge fans of the show before we started working on it, 236 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:52.440 and we were the first fans to ever write for 237 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:57.399 the show. So we were just in giddy la la land. 238 00:10:57.440 --> 00:10:59.080 Even like when we were running the show and it 239 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:02.440 was really hard, in exhausting, it still was kind of 240 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:04.879 thrilling to be able to do it. 241 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:08.200 Just before we talk about you and Bill working a 242 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:10.600 showrunners on The Simpsons, I'd like to find out a 243 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:14.480 bit about your relationship, which is fairly long standing. Yeah, 244 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:16.519 I was thinking about when reading about you guys, in 245 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.320 your relationship, I was thinking about I'm a big Kids 246 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:21.480 in the Hall fan. And there was this great documentary 247 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:24.720 about them recently where they talked about how Dave falling, 248 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.240 Kevin McDonald and each other, and they sort of it 249 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:28.960 was love at first sight because they were able to 250 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:32.200 make each other laugh almost instantly, and they said, Oh, 251 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:34.440 he's the most integrated I feel with another person. It's 252 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:38.039 almost like, yeah, it's like finding your first love. Not 253 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:40.840 to I'm wondering if it's like that with you and Bill, 254 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:42.960 if you sort of have if you feel sympaticial in 255 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:43.519 that way. 256 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:47.480 A writing team is. It's always likened to marriages, and 257 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:51.559 it's very true, and it's also it helped that Bill 258 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:55.440 and I met when we were like sixteen in high 259 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:58.720 school and like still in our formative years, and in fact, 260 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:01.799 the first time we kind of really met was in 261 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.919 this geometry class with this horrible, this evil teacher who 262 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.080 in fact we put we put in the show She's 263 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:13.120 one of the child services woman in Home Sweet Diddly, 264 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:18.919 Dumb Diddly. She was an evil, horrible, mean spirited teacher 265 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.320 and she made people cry. And we were in high school. 266 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:26.399 But anyway, so we were in this geometry class and Bill, 267 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.919 who's also, who's a really good cartoonist threw caricatures of 268 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.399 everybody in the class and I really liked them, and 269 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:36.240 we started talking and then we just kind of like 270 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:38.600 hit it off from there. And then we started a 271 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.440 humor magazine in our high school and also a lot 272 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:45.200 of and and the headmaster of the high school tried 273 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:47.799 to shut it down, but everybody else liked it, and 274 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:50.519 then it ended up like teachers liked to be put 275 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:52.480 into it because they were like, oh, that means I'm 276 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.279 popular or whatever. So it was like it was like 277 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:56.960 a hit for while we were there. 278 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:00.519 I'm sorry, this is like a Superhero origin store I fixed. 279 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:02.600 Yeah. So And as a matter of fact, also, like 280 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:05.960 so a lot of like Principal Skinner existed before we 281 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:09.360 came on the show, but he are writing of him 282 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:12.679 and you is based on a lot of the teachers 283 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:14.519 and the headmaster at our high school. 284 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:17.840 So you guys were always planning to be a team 285 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:19.679 when it came to working in this field or is 286 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:21.039 it just to just work out that way? 287 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:25.600 No, we did. We like we were pretty I know, no, 288 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:30.799 not careerists, but like we we knew from like high school, 289 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:34.480 like it would be great if we could write comedy together, 290 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:38.639 and we had no idea, like would it be journalism, 291 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:41.639 would it be advertising, would it be TV? Like we 292 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:44.159 had no we had no idea, but we're like, this 293 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:47.120 would be this is a good thing to pursue him. 294 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:50.159 It's fun. So we did. We did, and we we 295 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:53.200 went to separate collegists. We both worked on our college 296 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:56.159 humor Magaze separate college humor magazines, but we actually did 297 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:00.480 a joint issue together on that and we, like I said, 298 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:05.039 we always just kind of work together from dead and 299 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:08.399 we also have our our own side stuff and like 300 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:11.440 now like we're not officially working together, but we're still 301 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:12.679 like really good friends. 302 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.320 What did you h bring to the table, because obviously 303 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:16.679 you had a lot of similarities, but you must have 304 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.039 h brought your own unique brand of comedy as well 305 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:19.559 to the team. 306 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:24.919 Yeah, it's I think the interesting thing is our comedy 307 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:26.879 is really similar, and I mean I think that's why 308 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:29.679 we hit it off. Like we have really similar senses 309 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:33.960 of humor, and our sense of humor I won't say matured, 310 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:39.000 but grew together. So like we like so like we 311 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:42.559 really like we don't have different senses of humor, and 312 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:44.519 in fact, at the time too. In The Simpsons, we 313 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:46.519 thought we were the only people in the world who 314 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:49.320 had that sense of humor and maybe a couple of 315 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:52.559 our friends. And so it's really what's really great is 316 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.080 like that we foisted our sense of humor on like 317 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:58.679 impressionable young minds. So now there's a lot more people 318 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.200 that sense of humor. But I would say, like we 319 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:04.919 did in a good partnership, each person has their strengths, 320 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:08.320 Like Bill was particularly good, though each of us are 321 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:12.240 really good at jokes. Bill was particularly good at story, 322 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:15.080 and I think I was particularly good at jokes, and 323 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:18.200 we kind of wore off on each other. So I 324 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.679 learned a lot about story from Bill and vice versa. 325 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:24.600 And so it was just like a good partnership. And 326 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:27.799 also when you're running a show like The Simpsons, for 327 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:33.399 it's a never ending task and it's much better when 328 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:35.039 you have two people and a lot of time. When 329 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:37.159 we were running the show, we would end up just 330 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.440 splitting up our different chores. 331 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:42.200 Who did you learn the most from more Rodes's perspective 332 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:43.600 at the Simpsons. 333 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.240 There were so many. It really was like when like 334 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:50.360 when we first started, we were The other new person 335 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:53.360 on the show is Conan, who had started like eight 336 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:57.039 months before us, And aside from that, it was all 337 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:01.159 the original writers and Bill and I were really lucky 338 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:04.480 because it just so happened that a team of writers, 339 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:08.360 Ja Kokan and Wally wall Darsky were leaving right when 340 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.759 we had our agent ask do you have an opening, 341 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:13.519 and they were like, well, we happen to have an 342 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:15.679 opening for a team, and we were a team, and 343 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:17.960 so we got in. But I think we learned from 344 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:21.320 all all those guys, and they were it was all 345 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:25.559 guys at the time, Yeah, which thankfully now has changed. 346 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.360 Was that a lot that threaout your time there the 347 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:30.960 entire time, that's just mostly a male dominated writers. 348 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:34.799 We hired some women and but it was like it 349 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:38.080 was still like what's interesting is that the early Simpsons, 350 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.000 though it was a totally new thing, it's like the 351 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.720 last gasp of the old sitcom comedy world and the 352 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:48.600 new breed of people are coming in. So it's kind 353 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.279 of like right at the cusp because like Sam Simon, 354 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:53.480 who is brilliant and who's one of the people that 355 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:57.080 we learned a lot from. He had worked on old 356 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:00.720 old timey sitcoms like Taxi and that's so stuff and Obviously, 357 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.839 Jim Brooks created some of the best sitcoms of like seventies, 358 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:08.519 like Mary Tyler Moore, but they were in which those 359 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:11.200 shows that were a little smarter and more emotionally in 360 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:15.039 touch than a lot of classic sitcoms. But then like 361 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.440 the Simpsons came along and kind of broke the mold, 362 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:19.799 but it still took a while for it to break 363 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:23.240 the mold of being like having a diverse writing staff. 364 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:25.119 Josh, you and Bill kind of got your start with 365 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:26.680 the Sonfeld speck, Is that right. 366 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:31.880 Yeah, we we had. We actually got started before that 367 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:36.200 on these cable comedy shows in New York, and actually 368 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:40.200 we worked on a game show and then a talk 369 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:45.000 show for this comedy network called HA, which eventually HA 370 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:49.400 and the Comedy Channel merged to become Comedy Central. But 371 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:51.039 this was in its early days, and a lot of 372 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:52.920 people on the both the game show and the talk 373 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:55.440 show ended up working on The Simpsons. And in fact, 374 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:59.079 our first boss on our very first show in New 375 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:03.039 York was Ian Maxtone Graham, and we hired to work 376 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:04.039 on The Simpsons. 377 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:06.880 You hired him, Yeah, that he. 378 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:08.559 Hired us, and then we hired him. 379 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:13.079 Yes, Well, didn't Al Jan didn't Al, Jen and Race 380 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:14.680 work on Carsons? 381 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.240 I think, yeah, they worked on They I think that 382 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:21.480 was they worked on Carson and then the Larry Sanders Show, 383 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:25.440 and I think maybe Alf. Yes, So like a lot 384 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:28.079 of a lot of writers cut cut their teeth on 385 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:32.599 these like classic comedy or shows or sitcoms. And then 386 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:35.200 Kate where I think, we're really happy to come to 387 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:38.519 The Simpsons where you could explode all those rules and 388 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:40.160 not have to go buy them and. 389 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:42.119 Yeah, but what an incredible ecosystem. 390 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:45.680 Yeah, And it's like so it was half. It was 391 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:49.319 half people like Mike and Al who had worked on 392 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:54.279 these other comedy shows, and some people like Sam. Sam 393 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:57.759 assembled the original writing staff, even though it's like Sam, 394 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:02.119 Matt and Jim all kind of developed and created the 395 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:05.720 show and it comes from Matt's original idea and Matt's family, 396 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:09.720 Matt's drawings, so they all and again like a partnership. 397 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:13.519 They each of them contributed something crucial to the show. 398 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:17.119 But Sam assembled the original writing staff, and part of 399 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.200 it was from you know a story about It's from 400 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:24.039 this magazine Army Man. And there are people like people 401 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:28.640 like both like Schwartzwelder and George Meyer and John Vitty 402 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:32.680 had all worked on SNL and had terrible experiences. And 403 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:36.319 for example, I believe that George was just like, I'm 404 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:39.039 quit this business. I hate it, and moved to Colorado 405 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:41.720 and he started this magazine call just like it was 406 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:45.359 like a mimeograph magazine, a zine called Army Man where 407 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:48.000 he just have all his friends who are funny writers 408 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:52.119 contribute weird jokes. And the Army Man magazine became something 409 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:55.759 that people passed around in comedy writer circles as this 410 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:58.440 kind of like holy Grail, like who is this and 411 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:01.720 who's making it an uncut, very mysterious thing. And and 412 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:04.599 Sam Simon loved it and actually kind of went down 413 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.559 the masthead and hired a number of people from Army 414 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:11.839 Man so brought he brought in like these delightful weirdos 415 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.759 from all different sectors and it just it just worked. 416 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:17.279 Do you think he pitched it with the idea of 417 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:19.400 we can do what we want, that they can't tell 418 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:21.880 us what we can't do something there's no senses basically, Yeah. 419 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.839 And Sam. Part of the reason Sam was so critical, 420 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:28.640 and and and Matt and Jim too is they all 421 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:34.200 kind of like didn't wouldn't suffer fools easily and could 422 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:38.799 eat all saw through corporate bullshit, and so they were 423 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.880 all like, we're going to do our own thing. But 424 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.799 it also happened that when when thanks to Jim Brooks, 425 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:49.480 who was a very powerful director and producer at the 426 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:53.279 time of movies and Fox Network was just starting out, 427 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:56.799 I believe like when they pitched it to them, they said, 428 00:20:56.839 --> 00:20:58.880 we'll do this show for you, but you can't interfere 429 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:01.359 and you can't give notes. And from that moment on 430 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.720 they kind of and we actually during the time we were 431 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:06.920 running it, we were friends who have an executive who's 432 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:09.480 a really nice guy, and we actually had to sneak 433 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:12.799 him into table reads and not say to anybody like, 434 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:14.799 hey have Fox executive is here. By word, it's just like, 435 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.119 here's our friend coming in. Because it was like it 436 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:20.920 was like an amazing thing and you would never have 437 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:25.000 that on any other show at any other time. So 438 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:28.880 it really was like everybody was always allowed and still 439 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:32.079 to do their own thing, and it became and for 440 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:35.000 that reason, it became kind of a great comedy lab 441 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:38.319 where you could try all these different types of comedy. 442 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:41.759 This show is brought to you by the Forefinger Discount Patreon, 443 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:44.880 where you will find over one hundred hours of bonus podcasts, 444 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.240 including exclusive Simpsons reviews and commentaries, as well as exclusive 445 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:52.440 episodes of Going Down to South Park, Tales of Futurama, 446 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.480 Bob's Pods, Speaking of the Hill, Talking Cifold, The One 447 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.279 About Friends, and so much more. So go ahead and 448 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:02.519 join the family today at patreon dot com slash four 449 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:03.200 figure discount. 450 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:06.240 Josh, I wanted to ask about when you, when you 451 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:08.960 and Bill were given the reins of the show and 452 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:11.720 on you came on board as fans. In that regard, 453 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:16.759 I'm wondering about your mindset and your objective. Whether you've 454 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:19.519 got the Simpsons is great, we want to keep it 455 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:21.559 as it is. We've got a vision for the Simpsons, 456 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:23.359 and we want to move it in this direction. Or 457 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:24.960 is it a bit of a ven diagram with those 458 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:25.759 two overlap. 459 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:28.720 Yeah, it was more like we don't want to wreck 460 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:33.640 the show. And when we two to us, the seasons 461 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.359 three and four run by Mike and Now were the 462 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:41.839 greatest seasons of any television show ever, and we really 463 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:46.000 just were like, that's the Simpsons at its very best. 464 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:49.279 Let's just do that. And we actually kind of scientifically 465 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:52.440 broke down what they did, and they were like, Okay, 466 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:57.039 they had four Homer episodes a year, they had four 467 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:00.839 other family member episodes. They always had sites You're Bob, 468 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:03.400 they always had it itchy and scratchy, and then they 469 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:07.039 always had a couple of like experimental episodes, and we're like, 470 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:10.359 let's just we're gonna imitate seasons three and four, but 471 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:14.039 it will be new seasons three and four and seventy eight, 472 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.799 and that's that's kind of was our model for it. 473 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:20.559 My favorite ear of The Simpsons is literally when you 474 00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:22.559 were the show runner seven eight. That's why I was 475 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:24.400 because I wasn't allowed to watch The Simpsons when I 476 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:26.000 was really younger, So when I was allowed to watch 477 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:27.599 it when it was a new episode, that's when those 478 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:30.240 episodes were airing. So they're very no nostalgia for them, 479 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:31.799 but I still think they're the best episodes. And what 480 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:35.039 I like about them is that you guys straight away 481 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:36.799 from the normal bit and you started focusing on some 482 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:38.759 of the side characters, just like this one here fish 483 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:40.759 called some or like trou McClay. You're giving characters that 484 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:43.160 hadn't really been given any time. You're fleshing them out 485 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:45.799 more and you expanded the universe of Springfield as a result. 486 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:48.240 That was the thing and people didn't do There wasn't 487 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:51.839 a lot of world building in shows and stuff back then. 488 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.559 But we were like, it's already been on six seasons 489 00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:57.960 and we felt like love the show will go maybe 490 00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:02.680 ten who and so we thought like it's time, let's 491 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:05.720 end on. There's so many great side characters that that 492 00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:08.359 kind of came to life during the years before us. 493 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.680 So we're like, let's let's let's let's explore why Flanders 494 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:16.240 is like Flanders. Let's see Chief Wiggum's family, you know, 495 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:19.440 let's see Pooh's life, Let's see all those And that 496 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:21.759 was that, that was the impetus for it, and that also, 497 00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.599 like that was an impetus behind twenty two short films 498 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:27.400 about Springfield is let's see let's see all the other 499 00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:29.519 shows that are going on. 500 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.279 I think that's what's my favorite episode of all time 501 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:34.359 for that reason. I feel like you watched the episode 502 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:35.880 and that is as close as you'll get to being 503 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:37.920 a fly on the wall just flying around Springfield for 504 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.000 a day. I just I particularly love that one because 505 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.839 I love the ones that incorporate as many characters as possible. 506 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:46.440 Was there ever a when you handle the reins to Scully? 507 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:46.599 Right? 508 00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:48.319 You gave it to Scully after that? Yeah, did you 509 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:50.240 ever say to him, hey, you should do this or 510 00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:51.960 was it just he's your show, now you do what 511 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:52.519 you want with it. 512 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.119 Yeah, it was. It was always like that, and that 513 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:57.559 was That's kind of what's great is, first of all, 514 00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:01.480 Simpsons is always a big democracy, like it didn't matter 515 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:03.559 like if you if you're assigned the script, then your 516 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:06.039 name will be on the episode. But it always was 517 00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:09.400 like everybody's out for everybody else. It's very different from 518 00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:12.200 a lot of shows, like the opposite is SNL, where 519 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.519 apparently writers are really competitive and always trying to kill 520 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:19.359 each other's sketches, whereas in the Simpsons it's a democracy. 521 00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:21.799 And in fact, this went on our very first day, 522 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:24.000 like Mike and Now told us there's like a couple 523 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:27.359 of rules, and then we always live by these rules, 524 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:30.160 and then people like us or like Greg Daniels who's 525 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.200 gone on to create great shows, carry those rules with 526 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:35.599 them and like what rule number one is you leave 527 00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:38.119 your ego at the door. And it's just like it 528 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:40.400 doesn't matter if you say the great joke or somebody 529 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:43.920 else it's all for the joke ord the story itself. 530 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:48.440 And also never say no to an idea. That's the 531 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.680 job of the person running the room. So you don't 532 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.200 like if someone pitches a joke or an idea you 533 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:56.039 don't like, you don't go I don't like that, or 534 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.440 that's not good. You either stay silent or you pitch 535 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:02.200 a better one and let the room runner do it. 536 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:05.039 And so it just creates a much more free flowing, 537 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:09.640 positive atmosphere in the room. And it's like we were 538 00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:12.039 like because we had never been on a sitcom before, 539 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:15.079 so we didn't know, but there are people like Scully 540 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:19.480 had a lot of experience in in more mainstream sitcoms, 541 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:22.279 so he he came in knowing what was good and 542 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.039 bad about them, and he also like it's also like 543 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:30.839 everybody was always really friendly on the show. It's just 544 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:32.960 a bunch of nerds. So it's like it had a 545 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:37.559 much more cohesive, supportive atmosphere than other sitcoms where he 546 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.880 got a lot of like loud assholes. 547 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:43.440 Do you think that's evident in the show itself. Do 548 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:44.640 you think the tone of the show? 549 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:47.839 Yes, yeah, because it was And this is the thing 550 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:51.279 that that can't sort of came from both. Came a 551 00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:54.400 lot from Matt and a lot from Jim Brooks and 552 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.839 a lot from Sam. And also all the people were 553 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.720 kind harder. It's like emotion, The emotion always have to 554 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:06.039 be real, even if it's a crazy circumstance. The characters 555 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:10.279 have to act and respond in realistically emotional ways. And 556 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:13.160 that's part of what made the show so great is 557 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:16.160 a lot of times it was more emotionally real than 558 00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:20.640 other live action sitcoms, and I think that show still 559 00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:22.960 maintains it. And it's also why I think part of 560 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:27.440 what was so appealing is there's an essential kindness and 561 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:31.400 sweetness to it. And we also found that the more 562 00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:34.160 emotionally hooked in someone was to an episode, the more 563 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:35.680 they liked the jokes. Anyway. 564 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.720 Yeah, I don't know if we want to jump ahead 565 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.480 to talking about a Phish coal sell. Yeah, but I 566 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:44.720 mean that's really evident in this episode. I mean, this 567 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.039 is an episode that could be it could have a 568 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:51.680 really cold and cruel and cynical outlook, but it's really 569 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:55.519 sort of emotionally aware and mature in so many ways. 570 00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:58.519 I mean, even the Indians kind of like, I mean, 571 00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:01.359 try mcclus kind of kind of a hell. He's very 572 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.240 much a Haal in this, but he's also a guy. 573 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:05.200 I feel sorry for him. 574 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:07.599 He's trapped in his own. 575 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:11.440 Yeah. That's one thing is I think we're we're very 576 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:16.160 good at is feeling for whichever character you're the story 577 00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:19.279 is swirling around, and in this case, it's both Troy 578 00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:21.960 and Sma. But I hadn't. I don't watched the episode 579 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.279 in a long time, and I watched it this morning 580 00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.359 and I was struck by, like how that ending is 581 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:31.039 really both It's really realistic and it feels like they're 582 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:33.640 even though they're crazy characters, they kind of made their 583 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:38.319 right adult decision. And it's it's very bitter sweet and 584 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.720 that I mean, that's that's something that was always appealing 585 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.400 about the show, even when we were just fans as 586 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:46.400 there is that it's kind of like bittersweet. 587 00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:49.359 Well, the takeaway I took from that ending was particularly 588 00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:51.400 the shot of McClue just looking at the window the 589 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.279 sad music's plaining like he's not only watching Salma walk away, 590 00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:56.640 but I'm essentially watching his career walk away with her. 591 00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:58.599 You know, he's walking yeah without her, I've got no career, 592 00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:01.200 Like this was my last chance not happening anymore. But 593 00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.759 also just prior to that, when she's saying I'm leaving, 594 00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:05.960 you could have easily taken a darker tone and gone, 595 00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:07.960 nor were You're not because I need you you You're 596 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:09.440 staying here. But no, he lets her go. 597 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.640 Yeah, yeah, that's it. I can't I can't remember whose 598 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:17.079 idea that was. The idea about the fishes was came 599 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:17.720 from Jim. 600 00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.599 Brooks, Yeah, which. 601 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.279 Is brilliant because we're like, we need him to have 602 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:27.559 some sort of like weird rumored set kink or sexual fetish, 603 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.880 but it can't be it can't be anything awful because 604 00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:33.319 kids are watching. But so the fish thing is brilliant 605 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.119 because it's left up to your own devian mind what 606 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:38.240 what's going on? 607 00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:42.119 Because you're not actually implying that he's sleeping with fish. 608 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.240 But I mean, although fat Tony kind of says. 609 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:49.519 That it's it's delightfully, it's delight it's the whole time, 610 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:51.559 it's delightfully dancing around it. 611 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:53.400 I remember my mom was not a fan of it. 612 00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:55.240 My mom was like, what is this? What is this 613 00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:56.039 rock you're watching? 614 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.799 And also is the fat Tony gag it is bout 615 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:02.680 Tony's appearance only so you can do this sleep with 616 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:03.400 the Fishes gag. 617 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:06.279 Yes, yeah, yes, That's what's so great about the Simpsons 618 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:08.119 is you have all these side characters. You know, Oh, 619 00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:11.559 we need like a mafia style, so we got fat Tony. Yeah. 620 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:13.680 And also what I will see. What I really like 621 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.519 about this episode is up until this episode, Troy McClure 622 00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.559 was just kind of like a one note joke character, 623 00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:23.680 and we were like, he's there living his life. Let's 624 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:25.799 see what it's like. And it was our chance to 625 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:28.599 do kind of like sad Hollywood lives. 626 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.039 It's it's what I wanted to talk about because we 627 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.400 rewatching this episode. Listeners of our show will know that 628 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:36.079 one of my favorite movies is Once upon a Time 629 00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:39.559 in Hollywood, particularly Rick Dalton and Terry mcclu is just 630 00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:41.960 an absolute Rick Dalton, you know, in terms of like 631 00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.119 just the body of work that he's got, the ego 632 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.920 that he has. You know, he's constantly sort of got 633 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:49.400 his eye out for the main chance, even though he 634 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.559 knows his careers on the way, and so yeah, having 635 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:55.079 this opportunity to flesh him out and give him a 636 00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.119 whole life in the space of a a half hour episode. 637 00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:01.480 I think it's just brilliant and also something I wanted 638 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:05.240 to say is want to ask was and if I'm wrong, 639 00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.240 please just don't disabuse my notion. There was a whiteboard 640 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.880 in Simpson's HQ that is just all you may know 641 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:12.319 me from these titles. 642 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:17.119 No, those were so hard that when somebody came up 643 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.839 of it, we used it like those were like the 644 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.440 Troy mcclurr move, coming off a good Troy mccurr movie, 645 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:27.039 and this one episodes full of them is one of 646 00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.279 the hardest Simpson's tax So the moment you have a 647 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.400 good one, it's going in the show. There's no there's 648 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.519 a whiteboard of like still episodes that we wanted to do, 649 00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:40.599 but there was no joke, Joe, all good jokes were 650 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:41.519 used instantly. 651 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:44.720 I just thought, it's like Alice through the windshield glasses 652 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.519 one from a previous episode. But some of it are 653 00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.359 so cruel, but they're so funny. 654 00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.799 So yeah, that's like the the towel, the what is 655 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.359 it the towel with with Larry. 656 00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:57.920 The blinding of lens, But yeah, that's. 657 00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:03.559 Real chalitable again, kid got kinded with horror of horse plea. 658 00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:06.039 But I love that it's that, but that you might 659 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.039 know me from or you might remember me from is 660 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.400 just a runner all through. It's not necessarily about you 661 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:12.720 might remembery from such films, you might remember from this 662 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:14.480 date last night or what. Yeah, the fact that it 663 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:15.480 becomes that running gag I. 664 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:16.680 Think part of his every day vernacular. 665 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.000 Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, I love that too. 666 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:21.359 Gold standard comedy writing as far as I'm concerned. 667 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.559 But what I love about this episode too is it's 668 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:26.880 a bittersweet because as a diehard Simpsons fan, you love 669 00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.319 it because it wasn't long after this that we tragically 670 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.440 lost or Phil Harton was taken from us. So I'm 671 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.920 just so I'm appreciative that this episode exists because you know, 672 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:37.920 had you not done this, we might now never have 673 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:39.880 got it, you know, So the fact that you were 674 00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:42.319 able to recognize, let's do it now, and the fact 675 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.119 that you did it, and it's such a great episode 676 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:47.079 as well, and it really it pays tribute to Troy McCay. 677 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:48.880 It mocks him, but it also pays love to him 678 00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:49.160 as well. 679 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.519 Yeah, that's what I love about the Simpsons is particularly good. 680 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.720 It both makes fun of but loves every single character. 681 00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.160 But we did it. Also one of one of the 682 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.640 reasons we did it too is is Bill Hartman is 683 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:05.240 like the Simpson's secret weapon, is he is somebody who 684 00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:09.000 he would make straight lines funny. So we knew, like 685 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.799 we always wanted to work him into episodes because we 686 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:14.960 knew it would be a guaranteed laugh and in this 687 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.400 episode because he makes every single line funny and he's 688 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.559 just like, there's very there are very few people on 689 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.000 earth who could who could do that, and but but 690 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:26.240 Phil was one of them. 691 00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:28.480 There's a bit I think when he first made Selm 692 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.039 when he says as an actor, I depend on my 693 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.799 remarkable looks. I've written that nobody did insincerity more sincerely 694 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:35.599 than Phil Hartman. 695 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:39.000 Yeah he would. Yeah, that's a real that's a real craft. 696 00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:41.920 Yeah, I mean, can you just give us five ten 697 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:44.279 twenty minutes on Phil Hartman just like what it was 698 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:45.559 worked like to work with the guy. 699 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:50.480 Yeah, that's a both both he and Kelsey Grammer, who 700 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:54.160 they both when they would come in and we would 701 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.960 record them, everybody kind of like pepped up and were 702 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:03.400 excited because they were both both of them were incredibly 703 00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:07.200 kind people, like just they you would not think that 704 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:11.039 they were TV stars like they would. They would be 705 00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.119 people like, Oh, I wish I could hang out with them. 706 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.719 They're just like really down to earth, no ego, but 707 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.079 also just really funny and also gung ho for doing 708 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.519 Like some actors can be difficult, but like Phil, Phil 709 00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:26.880 would do whatever you put in front of him, and 710 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:29.519 he'd also bring a lot of times it'd bring a 711 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:33.480 really weird spin to it. Like we knew, like, even 712 00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:35.559 if it's a straight line, okay, he's gonna do something 713 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:39.920 funny with it. And and so we we just always 714 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:43.639 wanted to like Bart versus Australia, we intentionally wanted him 715 00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:47.119 as the US embassy guy because we knew, like that's 716 00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:51.840 like making a funny a funny preppy state department guy 717 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:53.960 is hard to do, but we're like, Phil's going to 718 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.360 do it. So we just we just he was one 719 00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:01.320 of our very favorite people to work work into an episode. 720 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:04.039 It's been it's been a story at that you were 721 00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.719 going to work on potentially a live action yeah, for 722 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.480 mcclu a movie. And you've mentioned to me that you 723 00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:12.239 once discussed this with Phil. I need to hear about it. 724 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:14.800 Yes, we discussed it a number of times with Phil, 725 00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:19.159 and it did it like it didn't get beyond talk 726 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:25.960 before he was tragically hurdering. And but what happened is 727 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:30.119 we would we were friends with people from the show 728 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:33.320 News Radio and so, and I do not I don't 729 00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.559 the thing that I don't remember if this was while 730 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.519 Bill and I were still running the show or after 731 00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:42.000 we had left, but the talk of it started. We'd 732 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.920 go to so we go to news radio parties and 733 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:46.440 Phil would see us and it's like, Oh, it's a 734 00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:49.400 Simpsons friends and so we're talking and that's I know. 735 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:51.599 It was at one of us parties where we first said, 736 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.119 I want to do a live action Troy McClure movie. 737 00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.239 And we were like, that is brilliant. That's so good 738 00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.599 because it's like in a lot of like the voiceover 739 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:02.880 actors may or may not in real life be able 740 00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:06.119 to play their characters, but Phil, it could. It's exactly 741 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:10.960 Troy McClure, you know. And so a live action Troy 742 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:14.039 McClure movie would just be brilliant where you could see 743 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.119 live action clips of his past movies. But he also 744 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:21.119 would have been having some sort of Troy McClure detective 745 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.760 or some sort of adventure that would be the true 746 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.719 line of a story and we and so we saw 747 00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:30.679 a number of parties went on where that's all like 748 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.800 we would talk about, is we got to do this 749 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:38.800 Troy McClure movie, but then it then he got killed 750 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:40.519 and that that was that. 751 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.840 I have never been more excited for a project that 752 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:45.719 could have been and more sad that it never happened. 753 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.079 That I'm, yeah, holy shit, that would have been my 754 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:49.159 favorite movie of all time. 755 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:51.280 Because it was also like that would have been like 756 00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.800 could have been like the first Simpsons movie. Yeah, and 757 00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:56.480 it would have been. And it's also like such it's 758 00:36:56.519 --> 00:37:00.639 such a kind of like a brilliantly left field idea 759 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:02.599 and I think it would have really worked. 760 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.039 So was he was he excited for the project then? 761 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.880 Yeah, but again it was like it never got it never. 762 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.239 Got beyond just talk we should do this. 763 00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:13.559 Yeah, it's like we it never got to like, Okay, 764 00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.840 let's let's let's write it out, let's bring it to 765 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.679 Jim Brooks and Matt and see and all that. It 766 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:22.880 was just it was just talk, but it short of 767 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.039 felt like it it could have led to something. 768 00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:29.599 But even as an elevator pitch, it works because because 769 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.280 of Hartman, because he mean he Yeah, he had sort 770 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.480 of matinee idolish good looks but also slightly gone to see. 771 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.599 But he was also such a chameleon that you could 772 00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.280 see him playing all these different roles as Troy McClure 773 00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:42.280 in real life. 774 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:44.280 Yeah. And it was also an era of the nineties 775 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:48.679 of those type of really great crazy comedies. Yeah, so 776 00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:49.880 it really could have worked. 777 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:53.760 I'm so glad that. I'm so glad at least we got. Yeah, 778 00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.000 we got this episode that we because this was almost 779 00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:57.599 it was a showcase for Teum mcclub, but it was 780 00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.559 a showcase for Phil Hartman as well. Yeah, because he's characters. 781 00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.079 It'd been it never really been the main character of 782 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:05.679 an episode yet. I don't think. I mean he was 783 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.519 Tom because Tom Cruise turned down that role. I think 784 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:10.599 of season three, season four episode, and he'd been Trom 785 00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:12.559 McClure and loneld hats. But this is the first time 786 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:14.840 it was really about a Phil Hartman guy. 787 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.360 Yeah. Well that was like that was that was part 788 00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.239 of our our goal for these seasons is let's see 789 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.760 a Troy McClure episode, let's see a Need Flanders episode. 790 00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.320 And all these episodes were like the Simpsons are kind 791 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.039 of involved, but it's like it's no, it's gonna be 792 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.360 about or mill House's parents, for example. It's not there one. 793 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:35.679 It's like, let's see the lives of these other people 794 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:36.639 in Springfield. 795 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.760 It's smart on so many levels because it keeps the 796 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:42.480 audience engaged because like, oh, there's a wider world outside 797 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:46.320 of Evergreen terrorists. But it's also great for the for 798 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:48.079 the creative stuff as well, because it's like we get 799 00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:49.679 to flex all these different muscles. 800 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.960 Yeah, and and honestly too, we really thought the show 801 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:55.320 would go for like ten years and then be done, 802 00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.440 and we're like, so this is we got to do 803 00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:59.760 it now because the show might not exist in a 804 00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:03.159 couple years, So let's explore all these characters while we can. 805 00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.440 Bill has said to us that he never left an 806 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.599 episode on an idea on the table. Everything he wanted 807 00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:11.119 to do he did. Do you truly believe that, Oh, 808 00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:12.920 there were there ideas that you kind of wish. I 809 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.079 wish we had like twenty four besides for that season. 810 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.760 Yeah. Now I think it's like we running the show 811 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.920 is so exhausting that like, by the end of season eight, 812 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.559 we're like, oh, I can't wait to give it to 813 00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:30.639 somebody else. But I think, like, in hindsight, I'm like, 814 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:33.440 there's so many more. Yeah, we could have done, but 815 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:36.679 at the time we're like, we've done everything. We can't 816 00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:37.400 do no more. 817 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.159 You know, how long did it take for you to 818 00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:43.840 part with The Simpsons? Did you still watch it after 819 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:46.079 you left or once you once you were gone? Was 820 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:48.440 that I can't see what they're doing to my baby anymore? 821 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:53.639 Or it's more like we couldn't right when we left. 822 00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:56.559 It was more like we couldn't do we still I 823 00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.599 still watch, but it was more like I know how 824 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:02.440 the sausage is made, and I couldn't separate that from 825 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.199 like going like, oh, that much at joke must have 826 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.400 taken a long time to get or like, oh, I 827 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.519 could see why they did this, and so I couldn't 828 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:12.599 just enjoy it on its face value for the longest time. 829 00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.440 And it wasn't until I have kids who are now 830 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:18.960 who are now grown in their twenties. But it wasn't 831 00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.239 until my kids started watching the show. But I could 832 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:24.440 be like, I've been away from it long enough that 833 00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:26.760 now I can just enjoy it as a fan. 834 00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:28.599 Well, the Simpsons is kind of having a bit of 835 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.760 a resurgence in recent times, and I think that's a 836 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:32.800 lot of it is it's on Disney, plus it's just 837 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:34.559 so easily accessible now. But I think a lot of 838 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:36.800 kids who grew up on the era you went on 839 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.559 the show who may have sort of turned off postseason 840 00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:40.960 ten or whatever and hadn't watched the show for a 841 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.360 long time, but their kids are now getting they're having kids, 842 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:44.800 and their kids are now watching the Simpsons, and they're 843 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.400 going back and revisiting The Simpsons as a result. But 844 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:49.639 I find I've got a seven and a five year old, 845 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.679 and they enjoy the new episodes. They really like them. 846 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.559 Yeah, and there's great. The thing is that there's still 847 00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.400 like new Simpsons gets a bad rap because there's still 848 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:02.000 episodes that are would be regarded as a classic if 849 00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:05.480 they were on in those years. And it's just the 850 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.000 thing I think people have come to say. But it's 851 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.480 also like there now there are writers on The Simpsons 852 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:13.440 who were kids when we were doing our episodes, who 853 00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:14.960 grew up on it. And that's I have a whole 854 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.360 theory of comedy writers is that we like people. I'm 855 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.519 like gen X, I'm almost I'm almost sixty, and we 856 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:26.920 grew up on kind of crummy sitcoms like in the 857 00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:30.760 eighties and stuff like Mad Magazine and then some brilliant 858 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.920 stuff like SETV and stuff like that, but we had 859 00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:38.480 a much smaller area of like really great, truly great 860 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:41.360 comedy shows. But people who are kids in the nineties, 861 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.000 they didn't just have The Simpsons, and they had South Park, 862 00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:46.960 and they had Seinfeld and they had all these great 863 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:50.920 really mister Show and all these other truly funny things. 864 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:54.679 So there, I believe that the young comedy writers are 865 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:59.960 funnier and also more emotionally in touch than us older 866 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:03.400 writers because they grew up with better stuff and also 867 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:05.639 they grew up with stuff that was starting to be 868 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:10.400 like emotionally realistic and stuff, so they're much better grounded. 869 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:12.679 But I think they also have better senses of humor 870 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.280 because of that, and like some of those writers now 871 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:17.880 are the young writers and as Simpsons, And it's also 872 00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:20.480 people like Matt Selman is still like he still has 873 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.280 the spirit of like I'm going to try something new. Yeah, 874 00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:26.000 I want to try something experimental and see and I 875 00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:26.480 like that. 876 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:28.719 I feel like he's the guy that carries on the 877 00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.880 twenty two short films of Bett Springfield Torch. You know, 878 00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:34.559 he does the trilogy of Aaron. You watched the newer seasons, 879 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:36.440 and there's a lot more of those I call them 880 00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.199 format bending episodes, but it's a lot more of those 881 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.840 episodes in recent years. I think since Matt's taken more 882 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.400 of the charge, he's willing to explore and experiment. 883 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.440 Yeah, that's like A really good example is the duff 884 00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:49.639 Man and his Daughter episode, which is a total side 885 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:54.039 character but it's brilliantly emotional and hilarious and the same thing. 886 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.400 So there's yeah, so I think that I think the 887 00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:00.559 tor Torches are being still carried. 888 00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:02.880 This show is brought to you by the four Finger 889 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:05.840 Discount Patreon, where you will find over one hundred hours 890 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:10.360 of bonus podcasts, including exclusive Simpsons reviews and commentaries, as 891 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.199 well as exclusive episodes of Going Down to South Park, 892 00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:18.000 Tales of Futurama, Bob's Pods, Speaking of the Hill, Talking Sifould, 893 00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.880 the One About Friends, and so much more. So go 894 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.079 ahead and join the family today at patreon dot com 895 00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:27.280 slash four finger Discount. Although sometimes we've found we're up 896 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.280 to season twenty one now with the shows we've been 897 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.039 going through, we still go back in movies at the 898 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:34.480 classic slot we have with you here, but we find 899 00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:38.400 it sometimes those side characters didn't need to be fleshed out, Like, 900 00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:41.039 for example, there's a Comic Book Guy episode where you 901 00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.079 find out his real name and he starts marry I 902 00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.719 starts dating Skinner's mum, and he's just kind of like, 903 00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:48.840 I don't think Comic Book Guy needed this much information. 904 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.760 Yeah, I really as like an all sour puss. I 905 00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:55.559 didn't like that they gave him a name because we 906 00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:57.800 always just like like, we always just like he's comic 907 00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:01.199 book guys. So it's true like some like some people 908 00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:03.480 you don't you don't want. 909 00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:06.039 To know, yeah, exactly. And Gil was another one. They 910 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.360 did an episode called what was It Killed Gill? Volumes 911 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:10.880 one and two or something where he moved in with 912 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.119 the Simpsons, and we all love Gill, you know, because 913 00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.159 he's always yeah gotten, and he's you know, nothing goes 914 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:16.880 right for the guy. But then when he's in the 915 00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.800 Simpsons has in that episode, he's a real moocha and 916 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.800 he's really he's horrible to people, and you lose sympathy 917 00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:24.760 for him, and I'm gone, why did you make me 918 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:27.719 dislike this character? That's it just didn't seem to work. 919 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.960 So sometimes fleshing out these characters isn't necessary. 920 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.000 Yeah you have to, Yeah, you have to. I think 921 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.239 they have to be and I don't really thought about us. 922 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:40.079 They have to be characters that are like really emotionally loaded. 923 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:42.760 So like, you know, Troy McClure kind of has some 924 00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.239 weird sadness in his life or some some weirdness in 925 00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:49.079 his life, or like Ned Flanders, you really you want 926 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.360 to know why he's like that. But some characters are 927 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.360 just so one note that it's just like, just leave 928 00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:57.239 him be one note. 929 00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.599 Did you ever have ideas for a Linel Hot's episode? 930 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.960 No, No, because I think I think Troy McClure felt 931 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:08.599 like the richer Phil Hartman character, which is like like 932 00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:11.360 Lionel Huts really does. I'm sure there's a good Lionel 933 00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:15.519 Huts story out there, but I don't. I don't know it. 934 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.519 Give him like an emotionally loaded legal drama like the 935 00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:22.960 Verdict or something where he's got a you know, like 936 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:24.239 a civil action or something. 937 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:26.880 Yeah, I but he's had something that has passed, some 938 00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.760 legal thing that that drove him to be a lawyer. 939 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:31.599 So there's something there. 940 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.239 But you're gonna have a whole betterical soul series about 941 00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:34.960 Lionel lot. 942 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.079 I think there's a there's betterical huts. But can we 943 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.480 talk about Jeff Golblum. So he stars in MacArthur Parker 944 00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:44.360 in this episode here. I kind of really interesting. You 945 00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:47.480 were saying in the commentary that and he couldn't even 946 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.239 remember doing this, but then until you reminded him, was yeah, 947 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:53.079 made him do it twice because he spoke in his 948 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:56.320 usual sort of slowish way. He's he's unique brand of comedy. 949 00:45:56.719 --> 00:46:01.480 But because McClure and Salma such slow speakers, the episode 950 00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:03.519 was just too long. The kind of had too many gags. 951 00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:05.440 So you literally had to say, of Jeff, can you 952 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.159 do it again? And do it faster? Which is why 953 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.079 it took me a while to actually pick up on 954 00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:11.400 this appearance because he's not speaking long he would normally speak. 955 00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:13.199 He is speaking a lot faster. 956 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:16.599 Yeah, you know, I I forgot about that till you 957 00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:18.840 reminded me. Because I was listening to it this morning. 958 00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:22.239 I was like, that's a really fast read, and he's like, toy, 959 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.719 it's macfforin Parker, And I was like, why is he 960 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.320 talking so fast? Because we told him to because we 961 00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.639 also we knew that was the thing, like when you 962 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:33.840 do an episode around certain characters. We knew Patty and 963 00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:38.079 Selma were slow talkers, just like like Marge obviously, and 964 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:40.920 Toy McClure is. And so that's also like why there's 965 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:43.920 not like a real bet story because there's no time, 966 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.639 but everybody else gotta speak quickly because of that. Yeah, 967 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.400 I forgot about that. And Jeff Goldblum, as we said, 968 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.039 I think we said it in contary, was one of 969 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:57.480 our favorite guest stars because he was so nice. He 970 00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:03.039 he and Peter Frampton and Will Dafoe were the nicest 971 00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:06.119 people that we ever had. And I'll tell you, I 972 00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.480 think I told the story on the commentary. But when 973 00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:11.360 we recorded Jeff Goldbloom, we were doing that. We were 974 00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:15.159 on the Fox lot, but Jim Brooks's company, Gracie Films, 975 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.079 is on the Sony Law So a lot of times 976 00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:20.239 we record guest stars there just because they had more 977 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:23.599 recording studios. And so we were recording Jeff Goldblum, and 978 00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:26.079 it's his little studio and they are like probably like 979 00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:30.199 five other Simpsons people there, and Jeff Goldbloom came in 980 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:33.960 and he went to every single person in the room 981 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:35.639 and sat with them and talked to them for like 982 00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.760 five minutes and said like, Hi, I'm Jeff. Who are you? 983 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:40.800 Tell me about you? And he was just like really 984 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:46.400 insanely yeah, Like you felt like wow, Jeff Goldblum was 985 00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:48.159 talking to me. And then he was like, Oh, I'm 986 00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:50.800 doing this movie about an alien invasion. It's called an 987 00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:54.519 Independence Day and stuff like that. But he was just 988 00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:58.280 so friendly, like he made it was our job to 989 00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.920 make the actors feel comfortable, but he went around making 990 00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:04.159 everybody else feel comfortable, and so it's just like a 991 00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:08.440 lovely time. So I think we felt bad, but we 992 00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:11.639 knew we didn't feel. It wasn't hard for us to 993 00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:13.440 ask him to do it again, just because he was 994 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:15.800 so nice and amenable to everything. 995 00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:18.000 It does my heart good to hear that Goldbloom is 996 00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:20.239 actually a bit of a Manchel though, But yeah, he 997 00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:22.480 said that he's really the only man who could give 998 00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.440 Phil Hartman a run for his Smami money. 999 00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:28.079 Yeah, yeah, he was a He was a really good 1000 00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:31.199 choice for that agent. I don't think we had any 1001 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:32.079 other choices. 1002 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:36.000 How often did you write guest appearances or characters with 1003 00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:38.480 a special guest in mind? Or did you write them 1004 00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:40.559 and then go, let's just get this guy because he'd 1005 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:41.400 fit that character. 1006 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:45.760 That's yeah. For MacArthur Parker, I think I think you 1007 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.639 first came up with the character and then like Jeff 1008 00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:51.519 Goldwum would be great. But other character there are things 1009 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:54.960 like obviously like Rodney Dangerfield, that whole episode was written 1010 00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:57.920 under the pretense that it's going to be Rodney Dainshefield 1011 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.480 and if we don't get him, we can't do the episode. 1012 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:05.400 And but but usually it was we there was a 1013 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:08.400 side character, and we were like, first we kind of 1014 00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.440 go down the list of like can you know, can 1015 00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:15.360 Hank or Harry do this? Or or Dan and and 1016 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:18.920 some but we could tell when it was like a 1017 00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:23.880 special role like Lisa versus Malibu Stacy, we knew we 1018 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.039 had to get some really great guest star. 1019 00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.079 Yeah. Well, I just think in particular it's just Macathla Parker. 1020 00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:32.320 This is fantastic. But there's one part here where he 1021 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:35.920 does do the Goblain esque dialogue where he goes and 1022 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:39.079 your and the wife, and just the way he says 1023 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.719 it that that's Goblin right there, right, Betsy. 1024 00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:44.840 He's another personect Phil Harp, who will give spins to 1025 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.280 a line that you could never predict, but are so 1026 00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.400 delightfully gold bloomby that you like, you know, you like him. 1027 00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:54.239 But it's not even like a spin that Hartman puts 1028 00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.000 on things. Sometimes it's just the way he like, it's 1029 00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:57.679 just the way he says that. So I particularly love 1030 00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:59.840 the way when he says so. Obviously the script must 1031 00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:02.960 have say, McClure puts on glasses to read Salma's name, 1032 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:06.440 so he goes miss Bouvier the way. That's the way 1033 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.159 you can always imagine, you can visualize he's putting on 1034 00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:11.599 glasses as he's saying that line. It's it's incredible. 1035 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.079 Yeah, yeah, for him, it's like sometimes you want to 1036 00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.679 put stage stage directions that says, you know, would say 1037 00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.880 like smart me or nervous or whatever, But with Phil 1038 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:23.760 you kind of you didn't need to, and he didn't 1039 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:26.320 want to give direction because he kind of wanted him 1040 00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:27.440 to do his own thing. 1041 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:28.320 Yeah. 1042 00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:30.559 Well, let's talk about Stop the Planet of the Apes. 1043 00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:34.000 I want to get off because that is truly iconic and, 1044 00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:36.880 in my opinion, could be a genuine Broadway musical. It's 1045 00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:38.320 a shame that we're never going to get that as 1046 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:40.199 a result of Phil Hartmon Nolonger being with us. But 1047 00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:42.960 take us back to how did that all come together? 1048 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:44.760 Because I think in the commentary, Bill says, I went 1049 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:46.159 to the bathroom and came back and it was already 1050 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:47.119 done or something like that. 1051 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:50.679 So that's basically it's like Bill Bill had as I said, 1052 00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.079 like we had to split duties because it was so 1053 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:57.159 never ending amount of work, and so he was off 1054 00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.880 doing something and I was like we would read. Usually 1055 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:02.599 a lot of times you'd have two rooms going and 1056 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.000 I'd run one and he'd run the other. But this 1057 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.320 day he had he had to go record somebody or 1058 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.360 edit something, and so I was running the room. And 1059 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.480 we knew Troy, we wanted Troy to be in a 1060 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:18.480 musical or something. We knew it had to be some 1061 00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.880 sort of special show within the show. But that was it. 1062 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.159 And then it was I remember as Steve Hopkins, he said, 1063 00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:27.800 what if we did planet a the Apes a musical? 1064 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.559 And there was a big pause where you couldn't tell 1065 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:33.159 if people are thinking, either this is really stupid or 1066 00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.800 it's really brilliant. But like I had learned fun like 1067 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.119 learning from Mike and Alis, like you give something a chance, 1068 00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:42.159 even if it sounds like the worst idea, dumbest idea 1069 00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:45.239 in the world, give it at least like twenty minutes. 1070 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:48.280 And I was like, so, like, let's this. This could 1071 00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:51.440 be really good or could beg insane or both, And 1072 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:56.199 so we just started talking about it and the ideas 1073 00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:00.360 started to come. But there's a key moment, which is 1074 00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.039 when David Cohen pitched a line I hate every apice 1075 00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.039 from Chipen eight to Chimpanzee, which I believe it's not 1076 00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.559 only the funniest Simpsons line ever, it's the funniest line 1077 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:12.599 ever uttered by a human. And that was like, that 1078 00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:14.639 was like, what was so great about the Simpsons room? 1079 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:18.280 And there could be not in this case, but there 1080 00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:20.039 would be moments like we're trying to think of a 1081 00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:23.199 funny sign or whatever. It'd be twenty minutes of silence 1082 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.480 and people in the room just going like this, like 1083 00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:30.320 deep in thought. But once he pitched that line, it 1084 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:34.599 was so inspirational and funny that everybody got to the 1085 00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:37.440 top of their game and we're pitching funny things left 1086 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:41.239 and right. And so we mapped out and wrote the 1087 00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:46.079 entire musical in like two to three hours that afternoon, 1088 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:49.639 and when Bill came back, I remember or he remembers. 1089 00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:51.320 People go like you gotta hear this, you got to 1090 00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:52.719 hear this, or hear this line. And it was like 1091 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:56.199 we it was, it was fully formed and it just 1092 00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:58.519 it just needed the like music, and it was like 1093 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:02.159 different people could chrip. We did different things that in 1094 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:05.159 other rooms people would have just shot down, like like 1095 00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.920 George Meyer was like, what if we do these Vodeville 1096 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.719 bits in between? Like where can I play the piano? 1097 00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:13.800 Why couldn't before? Which is just that it's the hackiest 1098 00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.280 literally it's an old Vodville style joke. But we're like, 1099 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:20.639 what if we work in these little Vaudeville routines in between? Yeah, 1100 00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:23.199 let's do that. What if we did did the apes 1101 00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:25.880 were breakdancing? Yeah, let's do that. Because part of it 1102 00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:29.519 was also based on those the cheesy musicals of a time, 1103 00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:33.519 like like Cats and that whatever, that roller skating musical 1104 00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:38.760 Wash Starlight Express. Yeah, that the super cheesy things. But 1105 00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.000 it was just like it was a combination of like 1106 00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:45.880 five different insane things that all really work together and people. 1107 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:49.119 That was a case where the room was inspiring each 1108 00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:53.320 other and it just like that that was a rarity, 1109 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:57.079 but when it happened, great things came from it. 1110 00:53:57.639 --> 00:53:59.480 I'm so glad you said that, just because I mean, 1111 00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:01.880 and this is out to dismiss the the expertise and 1112 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:04.280 the effort of the Simpsons writing stife, but I mean, 1113 00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:06.199 there are some gags that feel like you can really 1114 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:07.960 see the effort that went into it. 1115 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:10.239 Yeah, And it's like that's the thing is too. I 1116 00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.320 found always in writing that the best things are that 1117 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:16.199 things that just come to it, and you can feel 1118 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:19.719 when something is labored over, and it's just like, because 1119 00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:25.280 comedy and jokes are such a weird, subconscious or unconscious 1120 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:28.800 reaction to things, like I think it has to it 1121 00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:33.199 has comes from a deep, weird impulse as opposed to 1122 00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:36.800 some like really like laboring over it. And we always 1123 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.960 found like the things that were written quickest actually are 1124 00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:41.559 the things that people like the best. 1125 00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:44.159 These feel like jugs that always existed that were just 1126 00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.480 sort of you know, floating around in the ether and 1127 00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:48.679 just gotta just gotta grab. I mean the fact that 1128 00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.360 doctor Zias has the same amount of syllables as Emmadias, 1129 00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:56.000 so you can just yah. 1130 00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:58.280 That was that was my pitch. That was my pitch 1131 00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:01.760 because we me and Bill and actually our friend Paul 1132 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.880 from News radio. We were obsessed with that song when 1133 00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:06.880 it came out, and we're always making jokes and just 1134 00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:10.039 saying things like thank you Amedeis and stuff like that. 1135 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.559 So I just kissed that. I think I said thank 1136 00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:14.960 you doctors A. It's not even to help me, doctor Zayas. 1137 00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:17.920 But then people were like, yeah, that's perfect for like 1138 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:19.039 the main song. 1139 00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.119 Did you I always keep thinking motions going did I 1140 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:23.800 write a full music? When we're saying bits of it, 1141 00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:25.719 like did you write a full did you write full songs? 1142 00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:27.719 Or what we saw as what you write? 1143 00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:31.239 The whole thing was written out, and at a certain 1144 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:32.599 point I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, 1145 00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:36.239 let's get this and let's get that. And you could 1146 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:38.480 it like you said, like they sort of came out 1147 00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:40.960 of an ether. And there's a theory I have, like 1148 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:44.239 it's called like a joke radar. It's all all great, 1149 00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:47.599 All jokes are out there. You just have to pinpoint 1150 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:49.800 it and find the right thing. And it was this 1151 00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:54.519 was just a question of fitting the vaudeville routine with 1152 00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:58.039 the break dancing with doctor Zaais and fitting it all 1153 00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:02.639 together and and saying this is gonna work, by God, 1154 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:04.079 and than it did. 1155 00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:08.400 And like him I love legitimate theater. So the fact 1156 00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:12.480 that it closes out with I love you doctors, it's like, oh, 1157 00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:15.400 I think I'm saying enough actual musical theater. They sort 1158 00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:16.920 of closed that with a lot like that. 1159 00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:19.480 Yeah, and that was based that one. It's based more 1160 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:23.119 on more classic musicals like Oklahoma or whatever, where the 1161 00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:26.400 two characters are I love you, and it's just like, okay, 1162 00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:27.840 so let's put that in. 1163 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:30.639 So what you're saying is somewhere out there there's a 1164 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.239 piece of paper or there's the script that has a 1165 00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:34.719 full stop plan the fs want to get off script. 1166 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:39.320 Yeah, it's whatever that whatever that rewrite was, it's like, 1167 00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:44.119 that's it. You could see from whatever the version was before. 1168 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:47.800 I don't even remember what was in its place, if 1169 00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:50.119 it was a musical or what it was, but you 1170 00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:54.199 would see it jumps from that to the entire musical. 1171 00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:56.440 I don't know. I don't know that we changed any 1172 00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:02.000 lines or ever from it. All just fit in a 1173 00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:05.199 perfect package. And also I had I had never seen 1174 00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:08.760 part of a I think to give myself some credit 1175 00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:12.400 is I had never seen Planet of the Apes, so 1176 00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.519 I only knew the main things, so I wasn't ruined 1177 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:19.559 my mind wasn't clouded with the whole movie and Howard 1178 00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.480 gonna parody the whole movie because I only knew I 1179 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.800 only knew it was Earth all along. I only knew 1180 00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:27.360 the Statue of Liberty. I only knew Charlton Heston was 1181 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:31.320 like a bad, overblown actor, and I knew doctor Sais 1182 00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:33.760 and a couple of her names. So I was like, 1183 00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.079 I was happy to like ruin it because I hadn't 1184 00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:37.440 seen it. 1185 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.239 Because my daughter, she's just turned five, but I sometimes 1186 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:42.119 put the Simpsons songs on the carline we're listening because 1187 00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:45.920 on Spotify now, and my daughter always asks Zaia's song 1188 00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:49.440 zaias song. She loves it, like kids love the music. 1189 00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:51.800 It's really it's really happy. You don't have to know 1190 00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:54.360 about the movie or anything. It's like a really happy, 1191 00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:55.039 fun song. 1192 00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:57.800 Yeah. It's also got my favorite jogs, not necessarily the 1193 00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:00.719 musical itself, but I mean, I love of so much 1194 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.519 in this episode. But at the very end, when when 1195 00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:06.079 Dromicle is sort of giving his very self serving speech 1196 00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:08.559 and take it bout sugar bait and you're getting something 1197 00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:10.519 size down in front. 1198 00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:14.840 I love that show that. It's also like there's some 1199 00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.920 there's some things that are such good premises that then 1200 00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:20.880 jokes come to them, like down in Front and all that, 1201 00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:24.480 And I love legitimate theater. It's just like it's so 1202 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:29.280 it's such a meaty premise that you just want to 1203 00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:30.440 come up with jokes for it. 1204 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:32.199 I will say, that's funny that you said you hadn't 1205 00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:33.559 say a Planet of the APPEs because I hadn't say 1206 00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:35.000 it as a kid e though, so you can imagine 1207 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:36.840 my disappointment a high Planet of the APPEs and it 1208 00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:37.679 wasn't this musical. 1209 00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.440 Yeah, that's what a lot of people say about a 1210 00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:44.440 lot of Simpsons things as they see the movie parody 1211 00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:47.519 before they ever saw the movie. And that was similar 1212 00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:50.679 for me of like my genition in reading Mad magazine, 1213 00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.320 where I know a lot of movies and TV shows 1214 00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:56.280 from the sixties and seventies first from the Mad parody 1215 00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:00.280 before I ever saw the actual thing. 1216 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:02.800 Josh, I'm generation X as well, and I mean I 1217 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:04.760 sort of wanted to go to that for our gen 1218 00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.760 in terms of we watched a lot of good stuff, 1219 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.639 but we absorbed a lot of good culture. But because 1220 00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:13.000 of the I guess limitations that we had in terms 1221 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:15.679 of like only three or four TV channels and only 1222 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:19.360 so many, only so much stuff that was available. You 1223 00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.039 also were exposed to a lot of bad stuff, and 1224 00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:23.840 you were able to recognize what was not good. It's like, 1225 00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:26.239 this could be good if I did this to it, 1226 00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:27.679 you know, if I took it. Yeah, think and put 1227 00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:29.960 a clock in it. So yeah, I mean I think 1228 00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:34.239 that's Yeah. A lot of what makes your seasons of 1229 00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:37.199 the Simpsons, and of course other people who worked on 1230 00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:38.880 the show, what makes it work so well is like 1231 00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:42.920 you were filtering all of pop culture through your sort 1232 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:44.119 of your sensibilities. 1233 00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:46.760 Yeah, that's the thing. And you'll see, like in the 1234 00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:50.320 early Substance, there is a lot more pop culture reference 1235 00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:53.440 to things in his sixties or fifties that like slightly 1236 00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:56.719 older writers or you might have like heard of when 1237 00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:57.400 they were kids. 1238 00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:00.119 Well, you see it in Troy mcclau's movies as well. Well. 1239 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.400 I mean, god knows, I've probably watched things like I'm 1240 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.679 Gonna Butcher It, but you know the contablist reputation. 1241 01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:11.320 Yeah, yeah, that's a very distinct, distinct type of movie 1242 01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:13.440 like we want to have seen as kids, because there 1243 01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:16.760 were like adult movies in the sixties, but all those 1244 01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:21.440 like crazy names, like crazy Name musicals and movies was 1245 01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:24.000 a type of genre in the sixties. 1246 01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:26.239 I love that that's his passion project. 1247 01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:29.119 Yeah, it's really sad. 1248 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:32.920 But when we go into into his house and there's 1249 01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:35.039 posters on the wall, those three like I think it's 1250 01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:37.199 one's assault on Gemini three is one of them? 1251 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:41.079 Yeah, Astro Astro something Gemini three. 1252 01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:43.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't realize that there's a game 1253 01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:47.039 that came out in the nineties. No, it's called Virtual Springfield, 1254 01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:49.679 and Troy McClure is the host of that game. And 1255 01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.440 if you go into the game, those films actually got 1256 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.519 redesigned posters that are in that game. I was wondering 1257 01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:56.039 whether you have actually ever seen them. 1258 01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:58.440 No, I never, I don't. I don't think I ever 1259 01:00:58.480 --> 01:00:59.559 saw Virtual Simpsons. 1260 01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:02.880 I know, yeah, Virtual Spirit It's actually it still works 1261 01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:04.639 on Windows ten. I still play it on my laptopic 1262 01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.079 essially my kid Like basically just you're just walking your 1263 01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:09.639 inn Springfield. And I think it's great that Traum mcclauw 1264 01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:11.679 is the host, because of course he is. He hosted 1265 01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:14.280 everything in the Simpsons universe. But getting that again from 1266 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:16.559 Phil just prior to what happened is just it's it's 1267 01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:18.199 really it's kind of emotional. 1268 01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:19.920 Yeah, that's nice. 1269 01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.519 Yes, But look going back to this episode though, so 1270 01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:24.119 what what was it about this one that you loved 1271 01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:25.559 the most. Was it just the fact that you got 1272 01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:27.960 to work so much with Phil in particular, just on 1273 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:30.039 this episode in particular, I. 1274 01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:33.000 Think it was it was that, But it's also like, 1275 01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:38.119 we really it's the perfect example of exploring a side 1276 01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:41.920 character to side characters lives that like you could not 1277 01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:46.000 have done in season three or four when we're still 1278 01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:49.719 like getting to know the family and you just it 1279 01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:53.800 was so it's such a perfect expiration of a and 1280 01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:56.400 it's also like the jokes are so good, and it's 1281 01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:59.119 also like a really nicely emotional story. It's just like 1282 01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:03.360 I like it because it works on all all those levels. 1283 01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.880 Was there original concern about maybe retreading the same story 1284 01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.400 with Selma because she'd already had so many previous husbands. 1285 01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:11.519 No, that was more just like a running joke. So 1286 01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:14.000 it's like, of course it's Selma because she's always going 1287 01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:16.559 to have like another husband that doesn't work out. 1288 01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:18.280 And it was nice that you did play on the 1289 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:20.079 story that was sort of implemented with I think it 1290 01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:22.760 was Salma's choice where she gets jubjub. Obviously you still 1291 01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.719 continued on jubjub, but also just shares this design not 1292 01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:27.559 just for love, but to have a baby, but to 1293 01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.199 have a baby for the right reasons as well. Yeah, 1294 01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:31.480 I just want to be a mum. 1295 01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:34.719 Yeah, I remember that was that was discussed in the 1296 01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:37.920 Story Retreat with Jim Brooks. It's like that that it 1297 01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:41.679 was really important to him and to everybody that that 1298 01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:45.079 be a Really, when you're talking about having a kid 1299 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.519 and for these for these not right purposes, it's like, 1300 01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:51.800 that's a let's be really real about it. 1301 01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:53.719 I want to hear about these retreats. You hear so 1302 01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:55.679 much about them. How you guys all went away and 1303 01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:57.039 you just sort of did you put your name in 1304 01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:58.599 a hat and you picked that ideas or something? Or 1305 01:02:58.639 --> 01:02:59.679 is it just people pitching idea? 1306 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:02.280 Yes, well it was like I think I think the 1307 01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:06.119 original genesis of have any Story Retreats is like Jim Brooks, 1308 01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:11.360 especially then, was always so busy making great movies that 1309 01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:15.400 we couldn't We needed to trap him in a room 1310 01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:18.199 and get all the ideas out of his head in 1311 01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:20.480 like two days because we weren't going to see him 1312 01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:23.000 for a while. So like that was like I think, 1313 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:25.480 like the main reason is like we and we did 1314 01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:28.000 like like I know, like some shows like had story 1315 01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:33.280 retreats like in Hawaii and like all in luxurious circumstances, 1316 01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:37.519 and we our story retreats were at the hotel right 1317 01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:39.519 next to the Fox Lot, and in fact we could 1318 01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:43.000 look out the balcony and see the Simpsons offices. 1319 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:45.679 I'm envisioning a forest cabin somewhere. 1320 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:49.480 No, it was like the Hyatt or whatever. I don't 1321 01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:52.199 the building still exists, It's not a hotel now. 1322 01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:53.800 It was the tension. It was the tension. 1323 01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:57.039 It wasn't just an inspiriting anonymous three style hotel. 1324 01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:00.800 Yea literally just overlock looked the Fox Lot and you're 1325 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:02.599 just like locked in the room all day. Like they're 1326 01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:05.320 bringing like a nice lunch and stuff. But it's also 1327 01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:09.239 like it's an exciting kind of thrilling also very nerve 1328 01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:14.119 wrecking time, because like you're you're not just pitching two 1329 01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:17.119 people you know and and to Matt, but you're pitching 1330 01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:21.079 to Jim Brooks, who's this brilliant not just sitcom but 1331 01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:25.840 this brilliant entertainment comedy god. And you want him to 1332 01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:28.639 like the idea but you also really want his take 1333 01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:31.519 on it, because we we would often say, like Jim's 1334 01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:35.079 Jim's gonna find the right emotional hook for this Marge 1335 01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:38.199 story or whatever. It's like we have the makings of it, 1336 01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:41.400 but we don't quite have it. I bet Jim will 1337 01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:44.960 crack it. And and he was just he and he 1338 01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:47.320 was really crucial in this life, not just for coming 1339 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:51.360 up with the fish idea, but with like those emotional 1340 01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:56.440 cruxes and emotional points of like when Selma finds out 1341 01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.920 that it's a sham marriage and when they're discussing how 1342 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.440 having a kid like that was really the moments where 1343 01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:06.280 you really watch in Brooks, but those story retreats where 1344 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:11.079 it was also like Bill and I were really anal 1345 01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:14.480 obsessed with people, so we'd always work out our pitches 1346 01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.320 ahead of time and practice them, and so we got 1347 01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:21.599 to learn to really like pitching and enjoy it, which 1348 01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:24.880 is then's something that we took from The Simpsons, because like, 1349 01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:27.159 now I like, I like going in a room and 1350 01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:31.039 pitching something. I'll still be like horribly nervous beforehand, but 1351 01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:33.000 when I'm pitching it, I like, I know I got it, 1352 01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:36.199 I know it got mapped out. So like every writer 1353 01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:41.199 would come with like two or three episode ideas and 1354 01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:43.079 then like for example, Bill and I would always have 1355 01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:46.719 the basic story beats worked out, and other other writers, 1356 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:49.960 like I remember Scully was always really good at at 1357 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:53.440 pitching and having stories and having really emotionally grounded stories. 1358 01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:55.360 But then you pitch them to the room and then 1359 01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:59.599 you get everybody kind of looks to Jim to see 1360 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:01.559 if he likes it, and then if he likes it, 1361 01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:05.880 and Matt likes it, and when Sam was there, it 1362 01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:08.599 was they were the big three. But if they like it, 1363 01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:10.280 then you talk about it more and you kind of 1364 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:13.599 then you actually do a lot more. You spend maybe 1365 01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:17.679 like half an hour on the stories, flashing it out, 1366 01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:19.679 and then you'll go and then they always had a 1367 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:22.400 gong in the room, and it's like when we're done, ready, 1368 01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:25.679 this story is ready, it's cooked, you know, you bang 1369 01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:27.920 the gong and you move on to the next pitch. 1370 01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.440 Can you call the first time you pitched something and 1371 01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:33.000 how you're feeling. Were you nervous? But just to splad 1372 01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:34.760 it out there, Look, what was the first thing you 1373 01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:35.639 pitched in? That writer? 1374 01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:38.840 Just just suck. My wife just walked in. I gotta 1375 01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:40.360 tell her I'm doing this just a. 1376 01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:43.039 Second, Josh before you begin. Sorry, this might be an 1377 01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:45.199 opportunity time to ask, is it purely coincidence that your 1378 01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:46.719 wife's name is Lisa Simmons. 1379 01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:51.440 In fact, that was an amazing thing early on because 1380 01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:55.159 like I asked Matt to do a birthday drawing for 1381 01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:59.119 her and the because herd it's one letter away from 1382 01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:05.280 Lisa Simpson. So we still have that drugs Happy Briefletely Simmons. 1383 01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:08.000 This show is brought to you by the four figure 1384 01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:10.960 discount Patreon, where you will find over one hundred hours 1385 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:15.480 of bonus podcasts, including exclusive Simpsons reviews and commentaries, as 1386 01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:18.320 well as exclusive episodes of Going Down to South Park, 1387 01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:23.119 tales of Futurama, Bob's Pods, Speaking of the Hill, Talking Seefeld, 1388 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:26.000 the One about Friends, and so much more. So go 1389 01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:29.199 ahead and join the family today at patreon dot com 1390 01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:32.199 slash four figure discount. But I was just asking, can 1391 01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:33.840 you recall the first thing that you ever pitch and 1392 01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:35.840 we're you nervous to pitch it? What was it? 1393 01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:40.800 Yeah? I have a document and I remember there's I 1394 01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:44.960 don't remember what the first things we pitched and there 1395 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:48.440 were a couple like we pitched a story of the 1396 01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:51.719 kidnapping of Montgomery Burns. I think that was one of 1397 01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:55.079 the things, and then elements of that we went into 1398 01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:57.960 who Sharp mister Burns? But like that didn't like that 1399 01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:01.119 episode was not approved, but there'd be. There are a 1400 01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.639 number of episodes that we might have like pitched, and 1401 01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:08.199 then we're able to use elements in later stories. But 1402 01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:11.639 I don't I don't remember what the first couple of 1403 01:08:11.719 --> 01:08:15.599 episodes we pitched were, and I or horror how they went. 1404 01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:19.399 And I'm sure we're incredibly nervous, and it wasn't. It 1405 01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:23.840 wasn't until a couple of seasons in that we felt confident. 1406 01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:25.920 And that's the same in the room is It took 1407 01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:29.640 a good, good couple of months when we were first 1408 01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:32.119 in a room to feel confident to like really pitch 1409 01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:35.199 jokes and it's I remember, I don't remember the joke, 1410 01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:38.199 but I remember I pitched a joke and Sam Simon laughed, 1411 01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:40.960 and from that moment on, I was like, Okay, I'm 1412 01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:42.920 I'm not going to get fired. I got this. 1413 01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:46.199 How good were they explaining to you why they were 1414 01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:47.880 going to turn down an idea you had? 1415 01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:52.079 They were really good. That's the thing. That's so unusual 1416 01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:55.680 about like it's like Mike and Al and everybody who 1417 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:58.880 who I know it was Scully and everybody else and 1418 01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:04.359 Matt Salmon and David Murkin. Is if they didn't like 1419 01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:09.000 an idea, they would explain it in a really nice 1420 01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:11.680 way as opposed to go that sucks or that would 1421 01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:14.680 never work. They'd be like, I think that might not 1422 01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:18.600 work because of so and so or whatever, or or 1423 01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:22.239 they might go like that's good, but let's keep let's 1424 01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:23.239 keep thinking. 1425 01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:24.960 Did it make you a better roger As a result 1426 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:27.680 getting that kind of feedback, it's like, okay, this, but 1427 01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:28.439 this doesn't And. 1428 01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:30.359 Also knowing you didn't have to be there's no fear 1429 01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:32.159 of pitching something because you know your right. 1430 01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:35.319 And that's another rule is that we always that we 1431 01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:38.479 learned from those guys older people, and that we always 1432 01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:41.399 enacted as like there's no bad pitch because some of that, 1433 01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:43.920 as you see with like planet a f apes, there's 1434 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.960 like even something that sounds like the dumbest idea could 1435 01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:49.800 lead to something great. So you've always got to like 1436 01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:52.560 give you it's it's your job running the room to 1437 01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:55.399 know whether you're going to give an idea a chance. 1438 01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:59.079 But you should never you just have a feeling about it. 1439 01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:01.000 And there's a lot of things like might explore ideas 1440 01:10:01.039 --> 01:10:03.720 that go nowhere, but at least we explore. 1441 01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:06.600 Them exactly well. We usually do a big run through 1442 01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:08.039 the episode. I feel I've had you long enough now. 1443 01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:09.239 I feel we want to just pick out some key 1444 01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:10.720 moments in the episode and just sort of dove into 1445 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:14.359 them because it's just passing interesting discussion. Yeah, so basically 1446 01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:17.000 this one here you touch on the Muppets a couple 1447 01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:18.600 of times, and it's one of my favorite moments from 1448 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:20.920 the episode is when he's taking somewhe to a special 1449 01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:23.640 screening of his latest film, and it's just the Muppets 1450 01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:26.840 go medieval from the opening scene there from nineteen seventy seven. 1451 01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:28.720 They're the only ones there at the flea market driving 1452 01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:30.359 which has been demolished the following day, which I think 1453 01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:33.520 is just great. I'm a huge Muppets fan, right, I 1454 01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:35.399 love the Muppets. It feels like you were just taking 1455 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:36.960 the mickey out of the Muppets here. So were you 1456 01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:38.800 guys just not the Muppets fans or. 1457 01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:44.199 Yes, here's the truth about that, because like I'm you're younger, 1458 01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:48.000 so you're you're like the Muppets generation. I'm I'm the 1459 01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:51.720 Sesame Street generation. So I like a certain type of 1460 01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:56.439 Jim Hansen puppets, like I love like Sesame Street was 1461 01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:59.800 the formative thing to me it growing up in the seventies, 1462 01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:02.239 and they had a lot of great animation, but also 1463 01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:08.760 puppet puppets. But I found the Muppets to be really corny, 1464 01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:11.159 and I still watched it. I still liked it, but 1465 01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:15.039 it's just like really really corny. So like that was like, 1466 01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:19.239 so yeah, we were taking the mickey out of it. 1467 01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:23.600 Not the world's biggest Muppet fan, though I love I 1468 01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:27.319 love Jim Henson puppets, just not the Muppets. 1469 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:29.479 By the way, I've got to take issue with something here. 1470 01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:32.119 I mean, first of all, we see the family watching 1471 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:34.880 the Muppets go Medieval on movie for a rained at 1472 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:38.039 ball game on TV. Yet later it's got a theatrical release. 1473 01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:39.800 What's all that about? 1474 01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:43.000 I don't know. I certainly I got fired for that 1475 01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:44.000 blood I. 1476 01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:46.359 Was exactly the same thing of I'm not going to 1477 01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:47.920 acquire this to Josh. 1478 01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:50.439 I don't There's a lot of stuff like that. Did it? 1479 01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:53.199 Like people are like, what about this is? Like we 1480 01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:56.399 did it never crossed our mind, and that never kind 1481 01:11:56.399 --> 01:11:58.119 of crossed my mind for twenty five years. 1482 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:00.800 The Simpsons predicted so many things. You wils have predicted 1483 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:02.720 the shrinking of the theatrical window. 1484 01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:05.199 Yeah, that we did. 1485 01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:08.079 How often do you quote the Simpsons in your day 1486 01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:09.319 to day life still to this day? 1487 01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:13.760 Oh, all the time, every day, And in fact, we 1488 01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:17.359 would quote before episodes ever aired. There are lines that 1489 01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:20.479 we would quote around the office. So we're the original 1490 01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:24.079 Simpsons quoters because there's certain lines that we love so 1491 01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:26.439 much we would just repeat in the office or that 1492 01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:30.079 would come up before episodes. So so like like all 1493 01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.720 the time. Yeah, and I have to think of them. 1494 01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:35.720 They're they're very just like a lot of Simpsons stuff, 1495 01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:39.520 they're they're pretty obscure, but we really for whatever reason. 1496 01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:41.760 But then they're also and I have to think if 1497 01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:44.720 I can actually tell you one of them. There are 1498 01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:49.439 certain lines that we loved and never thought that other 1499 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:52.520 people would like and then have ended up that. It's 1500 01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:55.720 a delightful surprise when we learned, like, oh my god, 1501 01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:58.319 other people out there in the world they love that 1502 01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:00.960 line too, and they're quoting that line too. I don't 1503 01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:03.720 have a particular example, but there have been many. 1504 01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:07.000 Well, the big one now for the main culture is 1505 01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:09.600 Stained Hams. Could you have any idea that Stained Hams 1506 01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:10.960 is going to become a thing? I mean, Bills now 1507 01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:12.319 a living from it with these. 1508 01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:16.199 Days you do. And that's the thing, the rare thing. 1509 01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:22.520 It's very rare that anything goes in verbatim from a 1510 01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:26.960 writer like people. There's like very few sybstance writers like 1511 01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:30.880 John Vitty or David Cohen who were so good at 1512 01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:34.640 it like that they had. It's like if you got 1513 01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:38.279 sixty percent of your first draft into the final episode, 1514 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:41.399 that's amazing. And that's the reserve for people like David 1515 01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:46.399 Cohen and John Vetdy or Sportswelder. But so it's very 1516 01:13:46.479 --> 01:13:48.640 rare because it's also, as you've got the feel from 1517 01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:52.720 talking about it, it's very much a room written show. 1518 01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:57.319 So anything, anything is going to be rewritten and made better. 1519 01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:01.279 But for twenty two two Birthdays, it really was people 1520 01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:04.840 took the characters that they really love and Bill and 1521 01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:10.159 I but Bill obviously especially love Skinner and Chalmers, and 1522 01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:15.760 we were and that was that episode. Myself and Greg 1523 01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.560 Daniels were actually in charge of cobpling it together. Like Bill, 1524 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:22.439 we would split up episodes, Bill and I and so like, 1525 01:14:22.479 --> 01:14:25.760 you're in charge of this this half of episodes, and 1526 01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:27.479 I'm in charge of these half and but we'd like, 1527 01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:29.399 you know, we would switch off to whatever so it 1528 01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:34.319 gets the balance. But we're overseeing twenty two short films. 1529 01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:36.960 And Bill wrote fist. I think he just wrote it 1530 01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:40.239 like in a night, and it was so perfect to me. 1531 01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:44.439 I think I cut out one couplet because it was long, 1532 01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:46.640 Like I just caught out this couplet and I'm just 1533 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:48.880 going in because like Bill and I are like, we're 1534 01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:51.640 in charge, this is this is perfect. We're not. It 1535 01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:53.920 doesn't need to be rewritten. It's going in And that 1536 01:14:54.039 --> 01:14:57.319 was it. Wow, And so it was really was I 1537 01:14:57.359 --> 01:15:02.199 think it's it's entirely Bill one hundred percent. So he's 1538 01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:04.880 he's a title to make a living from it. Yeah, 1539 01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:07.920 and he had like he said, I'm sure he said it. 1540 01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:10.520 We had no idea for like twenty years and then 1541 01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:14.520 it just suddenly took off, I guess from Australia where 1542 01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:19.399 they some supermarket was advertising steamed hams. 1543 01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:19.680 Yeah. 1544 01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:22.920 Well what happened was was Simpsons fandom is huge in Australia. 1545 01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:25.760 It's just all and we're wondering why they never came back, 1546 01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:27.479 you know, because we've got that one episodes, like come 1547 01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:29.600 back and do another episode because it's huge here. But 1548 01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:32.319 you know, we have stores like supermarkets that you can 1549 01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:33.920 design your own signs, so the workers will draw a 1550 01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:35.640 owne signs. Now, there was like Hamburgs and they went 1551 01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:37.680 steamed hams Now on special as a joke because the 1552 01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.319 worker was obviously a Simpsons fan, and someone took a 1553 01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:41.840 photo of that send it to us. We shared it 1554 01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:45.880 on our page and boom it exploded. And then now 1555 01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:47.960 there's a store called JB. High Fire, which is kind 1556 01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:49.760 of like the equivalent of what in the States. I know, 1557 01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:52.560 they sell TV and things like the movies, like Tower 1558 01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:54.760 Records if Tower Records still exists, that kind of thing. 1559 01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:57.079 But they have a thing where it's now just they 1560 01:15:57.079 --> 01:15:59.159 have a competition who can make the best Simpsons sign 1561 01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:01.600 at their store. So it's just Simpsons culture is just 1562 01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:02.680 so big in Australia. 1563 01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:05.239 That's well, so you guys are part to thank for that. 1564 01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:07.600 So Bill, where's that residual's? 1565 01:16:07.640 --> 01:16:10.439 Bill? Yeah, that's I think that's what Bill's like, where's 1566 01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:12.720 my residuals? For coming up with? Though he has he 1567 01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:17.840 has trademarked that phrase, Steve pamsh he owns it, wisely 1568 01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:18.720 owns the tradewark. 1569 01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:20.800 It seemed like a clever businessman that Bill likely. 1570 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:23.479 Yeah, he's got he has. He always had a good 1571 01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:24.239 business head. 1572 01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:26.720 So yeah, yeah, exactly. Now there's a few other things 1573 01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:28.520 in this episode. Fish called someone wanted to touch on. 1574 01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:28.720 Now. 1575 01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:31.000 I'm not sure whether you even realized because we mentioned 1576 01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:34.039 it before. So the iconic sleept with the Fish's line, 1577 01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:36.000 which is now incredibly dirty. As a kid, you have 1578 01:16:36.039 --> 01:16:37.760 no idea what's going on, but you know, it's just 1579 01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:40.880 it's it's a great, great gag. That is the only 1580 01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:44.439 time that fat Tony was not voiced by Joe montagna 1581 01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:46.319 in the history of The Simpsons. Do you know who 1582 01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:49.800 voiced him in that scene? No, it was Phil Hartman. 1583 01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:54.079 It was Phil. Really, Wow, I don't I don't really, 1584 01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:56.640 I don't remember that. And I just saw I just 1585 01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:58.520 saw the episode today and I was like, oh, and 1586 01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:01.800 I assumed that was Joe Montagnan. Obviously we must have 1587 01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:04.560 not been we must, do you know? Do you know 1588 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:05.520 the story behind it? 1589 01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:08.319 I don't know the story. I'm I'm assuming because you're 1590 01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:10.199 mentioning earlier how it was one of those oh, we're 1591 01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:11.439 going to get this line in. 1592 01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:15.720 Yeah, I think. I think because because Joe Montagna was 1593 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.520 really hard, like he's a big movie actor and was 1594 01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:20.840 always who knows where in the world he was doing 1595 01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:22.920 a movie, so we must not have been able to 1596 01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:25.800 get him, and a lot of times to record, we'd 1597 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:28.039 have whatever actors are around, oh can you just tempt 1598 01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:32.119 this line? So he we must have had him tempt it, 1599 01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:35.760 and then we didn't get Joe Montaigne. But I honestly 1600 01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:40.239 do not know if that is was intentional or we 1601 01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:44.359 just forgot that it wasn't him, and then that's hilarious. 1602 01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:46.920 I really I don't. That's something I don't remember. 1603 01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:48.560 But the thing is, you listen to it and you 1604 01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:50.119 don't realize it. If you don't, if you don't know, 1605 01:17:50.119 --> 01:17:51.560 you don't know. But if you once you know, you 1606 01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:53.359 listen to it and you're go, oh, yeah, it is 1607 01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:55.000 slightly different, but it's close enough. 1608 01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:57.840 Yeah, there's I mean, there's a few times where we 1609 01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:03.800 cheated voices or even like took it from a previous episode. 1610 01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:06.520 And there there's a few times like I put, I put, 1611 01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:10.680 I did a few things that stayed in really look 1612 01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:13.720 what like, you know, and there are weird things that 1613 01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:16.720 the actors couldn't do and we asked them to do 1614 01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:21.239 or the sound people like that one. This is so oblique, 1615 01:18:21.359 --> 01:18:23.720 but in the summer four foot two, you know, if 1616 01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:28.640 there's a millhouse sees a sand crab, and we wanted 1617 01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:31.960 a really specific sound for the sand crab. And the 1618 01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:34.560 sound guy, Travis Powers, who's like the most brilliant sound 1619 01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:36.840 guy ever, just couldn't do it. And I was like, no, 1620 01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:40.960 it's something like like that, and so they and they 1621 01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:42.439 were like, well, why don't you just do it? 1622 01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:44.319 And so I did it. 1623 01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:46.840 And oh, but a weird, a weird one that you'd 1624 01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:49.239 think of her actors could do is we wanted to 1625 01:18:49.399 --> 01:18:53.159 Curly in in in the I'm Just a Bill parody, 1626 01:18:54.119 --> 01:18:54.399 you know. 1627 01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:58.239 You know, the A Amendment to be Yeah, and at 1628 01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:01.399 the very end, which was very pression, where they're storming 1629 01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:04.439 the Capitol, he says like doors open, boys or whatever, 1630 01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:08.039 and all these crazy bills run in and there's one 1631 01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:10.479 that runs in and goes who woo woop like Curly. 1632 01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:13.319 But we couldn't get None of the actors who are 1633 01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:15.720 brilliant could do it. So I just and we were 1634 01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:18.279 on the sound stage mixing it and I'm so and 1635 01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:20.920 Matt was like, why don't you just do it? And 1636 01:19:20.960 --> 01:19:23.560 there's other thing. There's other things too, Like I remember 1637 01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:26.560 on sound stage that was like, or Matt just did. 1638 01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:28.800 It because Matt Gridon did it. 1639 01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:32.000 Yeah, so he did. There. He did not that, but 1640 01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:35.960 he did. There's other like sounds or people in crowds 1641 01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:38.880 or whatever that we just didn't have and we had 1642 01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:42.520 to mix and turn in the episode that night. So 1643 01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:45.479 we're like, just one of us go down to the 1644 01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:49.640 microphone on the soundstage and make duvis sound or say 1645 01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:52.119 this word or whatever and it will go in. 1646 01:19:52.520 --> 01:19:54.279 Didn't he didn't he do Maggie's Pacify? 1647 01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:56.479 Yeah, he did. That was another thing that I think 1648 01:19:56.520 --> 01:19:59.880 they couldn't They couldn't get right. But Matt did it 1649 01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:01.920 us straight. So that's yeah, that's always Matt. 1650 01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:06.359 Very brief side, but the old the original Running Man 1651 01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:09.239 movie with Arnld Schwarzenegger. I was reading some oral history 1652 01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:10.920 of it and apparently they couldn't get Arnold back to 1653 01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:14.000 do some adr. So in the completed movie there's like 1654 01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:16.159 three different people doing Arnold impersonation. 1655 01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:19.359 Wow. I didn't know that, but yeah, there are. There 1656 01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:22.079 are some times where like we couldn't we couldn't get 1657 01:20:22.079 --> 01:20:25.239 the actor, and so it was it was somehow cheated, 1658 01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:26.920 not often, but happened. 1659 01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:29.279 One thing I like about the episode is how it 1660 01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:31.600 feels kind of inside baseball when it comes to showbiz 1661 01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:33.880 and showbiz scandals, but it's not really sort of overplaying 1662 01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:36.079 its hand. That feels kind of like a Jim Brook's 1663 01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:38.920 influence in a lot of ways. I mean, where your 1664 01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:42.520 name checking people like this isn't necessarily shows, but yeah, 1665 01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:44.840 JFK and Bing Crosby, it's like, oh, they've got scandals 1666 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:47.239 in their past, or even the whole thing with Troy 1667 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.319 McClure and his sort of his secret sexual fetishes or whatever. 1668 01:20:50.520 --> 01:20:53.199 Yeah, I think everybody. I think everybody was kind of 1669 01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:55.800 happy to be able to do that because like we're, 1670 01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:59.960 especially on The Simpsons, it's like a real outlier show 1671 01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:02.600 and staff, and it's like and we're not like we're 1672 01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:06.119 not hanging out with celebrities in restaurants and stuff, and 1673 01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:10.520 it's like we barely know anyone who's even remotely famous, 1674 01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:14.520 and so it's like us kind of like glimpsing Hollywood 1675 01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:18.560 from from being there, but not really participating in it. 1676 01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:21.439 Yeah, So were you really did you really feel shut 1677 01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:22.600 off from the world when you. 1678 01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:27.800 Were We Yes, in a very good but weird way, 1679 01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:30.520 Like we were not We were not at all weird. 1680 01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:33.159 That were kids like you growing up that it might 1681 01:21:33.279 --> 01:21:36.479 really influence. It was a big show, so we knew 1682 01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:38.760 there was a big audience out there, but we were 1683 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:41.640 so sheltered, and like I said, the internet was so 1684 01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:45.840 nascent and also so sour. The people who were weighing 1685 01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:49.039 in the show were so angry about it that we stopped, 1686 01:21:49.239 --> 01:21:53.399 we stopped looking at that. So we really were sheltered 1687 01:21:53.399 --> 01:21:56.560 and we were just like and also because Fox couldn't 1688 01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:59.039 give notes, we were just like, let's just do what 1689 01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:02.000 makes us laugh and makes our friends laugh. And so 1690 01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:05.960 that was that was a treasure that you don't realize. 1691 01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:08.520 You have to you leave the show and go into 1692 01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:11.079 the real world of Hollywood, where you got to take 1693 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:13.680 notes and you have to learn how to you have 1694 01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:16.359 to be a good note taker and learn how to 1695 01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:18.920 interpret them and all this other stuff, and you've got 1696 01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:22.840 to deal with actors who have their own feelings about 1697 01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:25.600 stuff and everything like that. Whereas an Assimpsons, it was 1698 01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:29.479 just this team that was very happy to work together 1699 01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:33.920 and get things from each other, and that was it's 1700 01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:34.920 lightning in a bottle. 1701 01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:37.119 You said you were burnt out when you finished on 1702 01:22:37.159 --> 01:22:40.399 the sentence, But at any point post that when you left, 1703 01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:41.479 did you regret leaving? 1704 01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:46.079 Yeah, I do, to be honest, because like we thought 1705 01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:48.000 it would be over in ten years. And it was 1706 01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:50.840 also when we left, it was the height the TV 1707 01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:54.600 was going super strong, and it was just like you 1708 01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:59.159 could go out and probably get your own show and 1709 01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:02.840 and and so like we and that was the it 1710 01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:05.119 was the very tail end of that. It was like 1711 01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:08.760 the late eighties through the late nineties was the height 1712 01:23:08.920 --> 01:23:12.760 of what being a TV writer was was like a 1713 01:23:13.039 --> 01:23:17.479 golden thing. But after very very soon after that, it 1714 01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:19.800 didn't and it became harder and harder. And like we 1715 01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:22.119 Bill and I would have to do and we'd love 1716 01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:24.800 being able to do our own thing and like doing 1717 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:27.720 like Mission Hill and all these other shows are like 1718 01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:30.199 being able to work on Gravity Falls was like a 1719 01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:32.600 real treat that I would have never been able to 1720 01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:35.319 do had I had I not left, And so like 1721 01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:41.359 I feel like that is my career is rich for that, 1722 01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:44.479 But I still like if I had known the show 1723 01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:47.479 would keep going. I think I probably would have just 1724 01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:50.680 stayed because it was so fun to do, and I 1725 01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:53.640 might have become all old and bitter. I don't know, 1726 01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:59.039 but but it yeah, I do, just just oftentimes when 1727 01:23:59.039 --> 01:24:01.720 I'm like, oh, I miss I missed doing that show 1728 01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:03.159 because it was such a treat. 1729 01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:04.319 Would you go back? 1730 01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:07.359 Yeah? Probably because I feel like I've been away long 1731 01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:10.239 enough that I would. I could be fresh, I could 1732 01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:13.000 be fresh enough. And it's also like I miss I 1733 01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:18.439 miss writing those characters and the freedom of telling any 1734 01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:22.279 story and joke we want to. Even though like there's 1735 01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:25.000 shows that I've worked on, like Gravity Falls or the 1736 01:24:25.039 --> 01:24:27.119 show I did this, I did a kid's puppet show 1737 01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:30.079 for the BBC that I was delightful and I. 1738 01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:32.920 Loved, not the Muppets, not the Muppets. 1739 01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:36.880 It was not it was puppets but not muppets, very different. 1740 01:24:37.239 --> 01:24:42.640 But yeah, I missed the freedom and the feeling of 1741 01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:48.159 having this whole world to work with. So that was 1742 01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:50.439 because I feel like when we started on show, it's 1743 01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:55.680 like we were handed this incredible toy, video game type 1744 01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:59.560 thing world where it's just so there's so much potential 1745 01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:02.640 in it. It felt, you know, and less that we 1746 01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:04.319 thought it would add after ten seasons. 1747 01:25:04.600 --> 01:25:07.439 Well, the way that comedy and just the world has 1748 01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:10.119 changed since then, though, in the last twenty five years, 1749 01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:13.279 do you think your approach to the gags and the 1750 01:25:13.319 --> 01:25:15.000 way you write Simpsons would have to change? 1751 01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:19.439 No, because I think, thankfully what happened is the approach 1752 01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:21.960 that we were taught by the older people, and then 1753 01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:26.760 that we went forth and people like greg Or David 1754 01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:30.039 Cohen went forth on their own shows, and so that's 1755 01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:33.199 the Simpsons way of doing things is much more or 1756 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:36.520 for example of gravity Falls. At Alex Hirsch, who created 1757 01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:40.239 gravity Falls, was a kid during our Simpsons and grew 1758 01:25:40.359 --> 01:25:44.720 up being really inspired and influenced by it. So what 1759 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:47.520 I find is like, if I go on another show, 1760 01:25:48.319 --> 01:25:52.159 it's much more like working on the Simpsons than the 1761 01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:55.520 shows that were before the Simpsons. So I feel like 1762 01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:59.600 the comedy writing world has gotten better because of shows 1763 01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:04.640 like that and South Park and Seinfeld, like that's gotten better, 1764 01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:08.319 But what's gotten a lot worse is the opportunities for 1765 01:26:08.479 --> 01:26:11.000 comedy writers. Because it used to be like our showed Simpsons, 1766 01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:15.159 if you worked hard and did a good job, you're 1767 01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:18.279 on it for life, and shows would last for could 1768 01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:20.920 go for ten seasons, but now shows will just go 1769 01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:24.079 for three seasons and they'll only employ writers for part 1770 01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:26.640 of that, and so it's harder and harder, especially for 1771 01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:29.840 you young people starting out. To me, I feel like 1772 01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:32.520 we got in, we were lucky to get in when 1773 01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:35.279 we did because we were able to make careers of it. 1774 01:26:35.279 --> 01:26:38.199 It's much harder these days to make a career, and like, 1775 01:26:38.399 --> 01:26:41.920 younger writers have to have multiple writing jobs or even 1776 01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:46.479 other outside jobs to support themselves, which. 1777 01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:48.479 I find interesting because I feel like there's more content 1778 01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:50.720 out there than ever. Yeah, but the problem is just 1779 01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:53.039 the approachures that the Apressure have they hire the riders 1780 01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:53.520 is different. 1781 01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:57.119 It is. And it's also like there was a bubble 1782 01:26:57.239 --> 01:26:59.920 that you could just see about to burst where they're 1783 01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:03.840 too there were just too many shows and that's and 1784 01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:06.560 that's like that was kind of a big factor because 1785 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:09.479 like ten years ago when like and Netflix was kind 1786 01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:13.079 of just booming and they would buy tons of shows 1787 01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:15.960 and they're like, I think they're like five hundred, four 1788 01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:18.439 hundred and five hundred shows on the air, and like 1789 01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:21.840 when we were starting out there maybe fifty, and it 1790 01:27:22.039 --> 01:27:25.039 just was too many and it was it was bound 1791 01:27:25.159 --> 01:27:29.079 to burst, and it did, and also, yeah, the way 1792 01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:33.600 budgets became tighter and tighter too, so employing writers for 1793 01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:36.119 the full run of show, which is really important because 1794 01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:38.880 that's how writers like us learned how to do things. 1795 01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:43.600 Is like we like apprenticed under the older writers and 1796 01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:45.600 producers and you learn to do or if you learn 1797 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:48.720 how to direct actors, you learn how to edit and 1798 01:27:48.800 --> 01:27:51.279 all this sort of thing that writers now don't get 1799 01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:54.119 to do because they're not given a chance. And that's 1800 01:27:54.159 --> 01:27:54.840 that's a shame. 1801 01:27:55.239 --> 01:27:57.159 Yeah, you're getting a lot of content, but you're building 1802 01:27:57.199 --> 01:27:58.680 a lot of houses, but they might out of balsa 1803 01:27:58.680 --> 01:28:00.000 wood essentially. 1804 01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:02.800 Yeah, yeah, exactly, and they and they're torn down after 1805 01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:05.640 a certain number of seasons where the companies then it's 1806 01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:08.199 going to be to we don't want to pay residuals 1807 01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:11.439 or whatever. And it's just like it's it's much it's 1808 01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:12.439 much tougher now. 1809 01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:14.880 This show is brought to you by the four Finger 1810 01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:17.960 Discount Patreon, where you'll find over one hundred hours of 1811 01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:22.560 bonus podcasts, including exclusive Simpsons reviews and commentaries, as well 1812 01:28:22.560 --> 01:28:25.720 as exclusive episodes of Going Down to South Park, Tales 1813 01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:30.000 of Futurama, Bob's Pods. Speaking of the Hill, Talking Seifeld, 1814 01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:32.880 the one about friends, and so much more. So go 1815 01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:36.079 ahead and join the family today at patreon dot com 1816 01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:39.399 slash four finger discount. We call back to write for 1817 01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:41.159 the Simpsons movie kind of A few of the visual 1818 01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:45.199 writers were called back. No, you weren't okay. 1819 01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:48.279 No, I know, and I don't know. I don't know mine. 1820 01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:50.920 Yeah, because I was Bill. I guess I guess Bill 1821 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:51.520 wasn't either then. 1822 01:28:51.640 --> 01:28:54.319 But but we also, like we we left, we like 1823 01:28:54.439 --> 01:28:57.199 lots of like we were really young, and we like 1824 01:28:57.319 --> 01:29:00.600 we let like some people were small, like when they 1825 01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:02.840 left the Simpsons and there still had kept their hand 1826 01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:05.600 in it and consult but we were like we're full 1827 01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:08.520 of We're like little house and full of beans and 1828 01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:10.600 ready ready to go out in the world and do 1829 01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:13.800 our own thing. So we kind of just just went 1830 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:14.439 out cold. 1831 01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:17.239 So we offered opportunities to come back and just work 1832 01:29:17.279 --> 01:29:19.039 on certain episodes or whatnot, and turned it down. Or 1833 01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:20.880 you just once you left clean slate were done. We 1834 01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:23.159 didn't even get acknowledged anymore, were contacted. 1835 01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:25.720 Yeah, it's kind of in between because then like we 1836 01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:27.199 worked and I worked on the Futurama. 1837 01:29:27.279 --> 01:29:29.760 Yeah, and then you went disenchantment as well in recent years. 1838 01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:33.279 Yeah. Yeah, so like we're all like friends with everybody. 1839 01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:35.960 It's just I think like we we were like really 1840 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:38.960 full of beans and very young, whereas like older people 1841 01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:41.439 like Skully who had been around the business kind of 1842 01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:44.119 knew like it's it's tough out there. 1843 01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:47.800 We recently reviewed the Treots of Horror, the latest one, 1844 01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:50.079 which it was it was all right, But what were 1845 01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:52.319 your thoughts on the Trios of Horror episodes? Were they 1846 01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:53.960 fun to write or were you not really much of 1847 01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:54.560 a horror fan? 1848 01:29:54.720 --> 01:29:59.840 Yes, because now they were. They provided a big dose 1849 01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:03.439 variety of what you could do because they couldn't in 1850 01:30:03.479 --> 01:30:05.600 a in a regular episode. You can't you can't have 1851 01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:09.800 characters die in a funny way. You can't do you 1852 01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:13.439 can't do aliens, you can't do supernatural because the Simpsons 1853 01:30:13.479 --> 01:30:17.399 is an extremely realistic world. So the Halloween episodes where 1854 01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:20.840 our chants to both do that do stuff that we 1855 01:30:20.880 --> 01:30:23.479 couldn't do, but also ventin you get to parody great 1856 01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:27.000 sci fi or horror movies. So it was always like 1857 01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:29.119 a treat to be able to do those. 1858 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:32.159 I always say on the podcast, how many of my 1859 01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:34.479 generation we don't call the Shining, The Shining. We call 1860 01:30:34.520 --> 01:30:37.119 it the Shinning because that was our first introduction to 1861 01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:40.880 that movie. Yeah, there were so many films and TV shows, 1862 01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:44.119 just pop culture icons in general that as we got older, 1863 01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:45.840 we went, oh, it's that person from the Simpsons. H 1864 01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:47.600 it is that movie from the No, the Simpsons were 1865 01:30:47.640 --> 01:30:50.000 parenting this. This came first, but we were introduced to 1866 01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:51.119 it by the Simpsons. 1867 01:30:51.439 --> 01:30:53.960 Yeah, fair too. Like da I was saying about Mad Magazine. 1868 01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:56.600 For our generation, it is like I know, tons of 1869 01:30:56.640 --> 01:30:59.000 kids were exposed to stuff or exposed to stuff that 1870 01:30:59.039 --> 01:31:02.439 they still don't know was a reference to a certain movie. 1871 01:31:03.079 --> 01:31:05.560 Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, But anyway, thank you so much again, 1872 01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:07.760 Josh via time. It's been great to delve into a 1873 01:31:07.800 --> 01:31:09.079 fish court some Like I said, we should do a 1874 01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:11.000 full run through, but it's just been so interesting hearing 1875 01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:12.800 just your time working on the show. And I would 1876 01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:14.439 love to have you on again just to talk more 1877 01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:16.960 about it, because, as I said, you were running the 1878 01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:19.079 show during my favorite ear of the show, and it's 1879 01:31:19.119 --> 01:31:21.119 just I could eat it all up. You could talk 1880 01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:23.079 for hours. I never get tired of hearing your story. 1881 01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:24.600 So thank you again for your time. 1882 01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:27.039 Yeah, well, thank you we're both Bill and I are 1883 01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:30.279 happy to blab on forever because, as I said, we 1884 01:31:30.279 --> 01:31:32.800 were fans before, so like we were while we were 1885 01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:35.920 running the show, we're still obsessed with the show. Yeah, 1886 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:37.279 and we'ld talk about it endlessly. 1887 01:31:37.359 --> 01:31:38.880 So is that why you would get? Is that why 1888 01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:40.600 you woul get? Would you get frustrated when you used 1889 01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:43.600 to read the negative comments online because you're thinking, I'm 1890 01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:45.680 writing this, I'm a fan like you guys, why aren't you? 1891 01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:48.119 Did you second guess yourself when you would read those. 1892 01:31:48.479 --> 01:31:51.800 Reviews or no? It just made us mad and it 1893 01:31:51.880 --> 01:31:55.319 also made our heads explode. We're like, these were they 1894 01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:59.279 were saying worst episode ever, like in season four, which 1895 01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:02.079 is the greatest ever of any TV show, and it 1896 01:32:02.239 --> 01:32:05.279 just made us crazy. We're like, how could you even 1897 01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:09.079 be how could you be so wrongheaded? So but it's 1898 01:32:09.119 --> 01:32:11.159 also like when you I know that a lot of 1899 01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:13.520 writers are like that, you would, Oh, you'll read every 1900 01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:16.640 review until you get to the point that makes something 1901 01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:19.359 that enrages you. Where you get to something, you will 1902 01:32:19.359 --> 01:32:22.079 read any review or all comments until you get to 1903 01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:24.520 negative comments, and that then drive you. 1904 01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:25.720 Crazy doom scrolling. 1905 01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:28.800 Yeah, yeah, exactly, because. 1906 01:32:28.520 --> 01:32:31.319 You're big on on X on Twitter, and you're in 1907 01:32:31.319 --> 01:32:33.359 the every day and I just love you give so 1908 01:32:33.439 --> 01:32:35.640 many insights. One thing you mentioned recently, just before you 1909 01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:38.000 go a couple of things on the touch on you know, 1910 01:32:38.199 --> 01:32:42.239 somewhere you have the audio tape of Albert Brooks as 1911 01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:46.760 Hank Scorpio improving with Dan. You've got to find that tape. 1912 01:32:47.039 --> 01:32:50.119 I don't know it's somewhere. It's like it's probably in 1913 01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:52.640 my garage, and my garage is full of spiders and 1914 01:32:52.680 --> 01:32:56.000 and and stuff, but it's like, I know it somewhere. 1915 01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:59.760 Because they gave us that. That whole episode is cobbled 1916 01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:04.119 to other from basically like three hours of improv between 1917 01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:07.399 Dan and Albert Brooks, and like we had to put 1918 01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:10.880 it all together because Albert Brooks is crazily brilliant and 1919 01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:13.279 we'll just go off on these tangents, and Dan is 1920 01:33:13.279 --> 01:33:16.319 so good at ad libbing. He kept like the homewer's 1921 01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:20.560 reactions in the episode are just Dan's reactions to Albert 1922 01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:23.840 Brooks's saying something and so, but we had to like, really, 1923 01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:29.239 when we wrote that episode, we knew that Albert Brooks 1924 01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:32.279 is a crazy ad liber and we're like, we know 1925 01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:34.039 he's going to come up with something better for this, 1926 01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:38.520 but we had to we got there. We get They 1927 01:33:38.560 --> 01:33:42.119 gave us the tape of that full record so we 1928 01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:44.880 could listen to it and go like, let's use this 1929 01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:48.600 bit and let's use that bit. So and I know, 1930 01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:51.319 so I know it's somewhere because I I don't throw 1931 01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:53.079 anything away, but I don't know where. 1932 01:33:53.239 --> 01:33:56.079 Let's rescue it from the spider cob webs immediately, Dan 1933 01:33:56.199 --> 01:33:56.760 and I will. 1934 01:33:56.760 --> 01:33:59.319 Overcome our fear of spiders to come to your house 1935 01:33:59.399 --> 01:34:01.079 and rummage to your garage to find it. 1936 01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:04.239 Yeah, and that's that's why I'm not disclosing my address, 1937 01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:06.680 because I don't want people going for my garage. But 1938 01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:10.239 also but also I remember, I think this is a 1939 01:34:10.279 --> 01:34:15.079 long time ago. Like we asked the editor at the Simpsons, 1940 01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:18.039 like do you have these? And they erased a lot 1941 01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:22.199 of the tapes, so it doesn't it. It may only 1942 01:34:22.279 --> 01:34:24.079 exist on this cassette tape. 1943 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:27.119 It's a piece of history. You need to this type. 1944 01:34:27.119 --> 01:34:28.840 Because you can make it. I've always said you can 1945 01:34:28.880 --> 01:34:32.359 make you can make the next Simpsons movie out of that. 1946 01:34:33.079 --> 01:34:36.920 How much I'm just picturing your garage like the like 1947 01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:38.199 the way it hasn't the in the writers of the 1948 01:34:38.199 --> 01:34:41.239 lost doc. Oh, here's the full script for stop the 1949 01:34:41.239 --> 01:34:43.800 plan of the ex I want to get on. Here's 1950 01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:45.319 this type of Albert Brooks ripping. 1951 01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:47.560 That's what I did find. Like I did find stuff 1952 01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:50.279 like I went this is like a year ago. I 1953 01:34:50.279 --> 01:34:52.479 went for and it's like, hey, here's the notes that 1954 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:55.199 Conan wrote to us and and stuff like that, Like 1955 01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:58.199 I found or I found the letter that Jim Brooks 1956 01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:00.159 sent to the network when they tried to send so 1957 01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:04.119 that Laurence Tierney line about putting a. 1958 01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:06.560 Hose. 1959 01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:12.119 Yeahs, and Jim Brooks wrote a really eloquent, great cutting 1960 01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:15.520 letter to Fox of like how dear you censor this 1961 01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:18.520 great line and stuff? And I've that that letters somewhere 1962 01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:19.920 in my garage and stuff. 1963 01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:23.319 So when he said Fox, so they weren't allowed to interfere, 1964 01:35:23.479 --> 01:35:26.279 but were they, they say, still attempted to what's what's 1965 01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:26.560 the gun? 1966 01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:29.960 Well, they were allowed to. They could not give us notes, 1967 01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:33.439 but they still had a censor who like so they 1968 01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:35.960 they they we would get notes and I have this 1969 01:35:36.039 --> 01:35:38.000 is a great thing, but I can't I can't ever 1970 01:35:38.079 --> 01:35:41.720 show it because it's not it would be breaking my 1971 01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:46.600 legal agreement. But like NDA, yeah, to to ever show 1972 01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:49.880 these notes and they're great, they're really delightful where it's 1973 01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:53.359 like Bart can Bart must not expose his but but 1974 01:35:53.680 --> 01:35:56.119 can only do it for three seconds or just like 1975 01:35:56.159 --> 01:35:58.199 a lot of stuff like stuff like that. So so 1976 01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:02.520 they were allowed to buy stand and practices to give 1977 01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:06.520 us notes like that, but we usually either that scene 1978 01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:10.159 would be cut or we'd find some way around it 1979 01:36:10.199 --> 01:36:13.560 by like we did. We did have to take those notes, 1980 01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:16.720 but we could often argue for them or say, if 1981 01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.560 we do, we're gonna do these three notes, but can 1982 01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:22.680 we do this and this? And the person who were 1983 01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:26.039 the censor usually was like very reasonable about it. And 1984 01:36:26.079 --> 01:36:29.960 also the Simpsons have this great lawyer who was at 1985 01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:33.720 Fox who would always like support us because he really 1986 01:36:33.800 --> 01:36:36.720 liked the show. So we have like when normally, like 1987 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:40.560 lawyers might get all concerned about making fun of somebody 1988 01:36:40.640 --> 01:36:43.560 or something and our lawyer was like, it's funny, go ahead. 1989 01:36:44.319 --> 01:36:51.039 So so normally but we did, so we did. We 1990 01:36:51.079 --> 01:36:53.439 got away of a lot, but we did have to 1991 01:36:53.439 --> 01:36:56.960 take those standards in practices notes. But you know, you 1992 01:36:56.960 --> 01:36:59.600 know the story of Homer's phobia. 1993 01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:02.439 Right, we're probably do but tell me again. 1994 01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:08.159 But that we there's a sensor who was particularly annoying. 1995 01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:11.720 And from the beginning of when you have to like 1996 01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:14.960 you still have to like submit the story. When you 1997 01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:19.640 after story conference and you know the showrunner or showrunners 1998 01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:22.159 figure out what episode you're gonna do that season, you 1999 01:37:22.319 --> 01:37:26.039 like submit a synopsis of those episodes to Fox also 2000 01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:30.039 for their publicity so they can know what's coming. And 2001 01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:34.119 and from the beginning they said, the censor said, this 2002 01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:38.479 episode is not acceptable. You can't do that, you can't 2003 01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:43.840 do the subject. And we're like, this is a really realistic. 2004 01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:46.520 It's a positive episode, even handed love. 2005 01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:52.000 And yeah, it's super positive, very good, very sensitive and 2006 01:37:52.039 --> 01:37:56.199 funny and episode, and we're gonna do it. And we 2007 01:37:56.399 --> 01:38:01.439 but we constantly after every draft, we normally get uh 2008 01:38:02.199 --> 01:38:05.800 sensor notes and they might have like five or six things, 2009 01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:09.560 and and half of them are like reasonable and the 2010 01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:12.039 other half of you can like we'll ignore, we'll end 2011 01:38:12.079 --> 01:38:17.079 up cutting or whatever. But for Homostopia, we got pages 2012 01:38:17.600 --> 01:38:20.840 and pages and pages of notes saying you can't do this, 2013 01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:22.800 you can't do that, you can't do this, you can't 2014 01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:25.760 say this, blah blah blah. And we were just like 2015 01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:29.640 and and and and but people like like Matt and 2016 01:38:29.720 --> 01:38:34.560 I think Jim two were just very supportive and and said, no, 2017 01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:38.359 we can do this episode. So we just ignored those notes. 2018 01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:43.399 And then what happened is and the notes at the 2019 01:38:43.479 --> 01:38:46.920 end said this episode is unacceptable for broadcast. And then 2020 01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:50.760 what ended up is that that sensor left Fox and 2021 01:38:50.840 --> 01:38:54.000 the next sensor. The next set of notes we got 2022 01:38:54.039 --> 01:38:57.239 on it was this episode is acceptable for broadcasts. So 2023 01:38:57.279 --> 01:39:00.720 it's like whatever that so so we out we kind 2024 01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:03.560 of outlived because every episode takes like a year to 2025 01:39:03.680 --> 01:39:05.680 make we outlive the censor on that. 2026 01:39:06.439 --> 01:39:08.600 Did you have that in mind when you were writing episodes, 2027 01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:10.920 going these references here and make sure they're not too 2028 01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:13.039 topical now because they're going to be outdated because a 2029 01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:15.479 lot of the later episodes that we review, by the 2030 01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:17.439 time it aired, some of the reference would have been 2031 01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:20.359 so out of date. But say with the early same sense, 2032 01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:22.880 it was a lot of timeless references in the early season. 2033 01:39:23.079 --> 01:39:25.159 Yeah, and that's a that's another thing that we were 2034 01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:27.079 told by like Mike and al on Our in our 2035 01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:30.399 first week is don't do it or the other writers 2036 01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:35.000 too that don't do topical references because this episode's not 2037 01:39:35.039 --> 01:39:37.239 gonna air for ten months, so it's already going to 2038 01:39:37.279 --> 01:39:39.359 be out of date. So that's why it is like 2039 01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:42.520 and very rarely, like the in the Halloween episode where 2040 01:39:42.520 --> 01:39:46.039 we had Clinton and Dole who were running for president, 2041 01:39:46.399 --> 01:39:50.279 like that was like everybody knows them, so it's gonna 2042 01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:52.720 be okay even though it we'll be out of the 2043 01:39:52.760 --> 01:39:56.960 election world past. But usually, Yeah, we just wanted to 2044 01:39:57.000 --> 01:39:59.239 stayed away from it because of that. And it's also 2045 01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:01.760 like South Park was so good at that and they 2046 01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:04.439 had such a shorter lead time. It's like let that 2047 01:40:04.479 --> 01:40:07.800 they'd let they're the masters of the topical references. We'll 2048 01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:10.039 do the more, we'll do the really out of date, 2049 01:40:10.119 --> 01:40:11.199 obscure references. 2050 01:40:11.239 --> 01:40:12.239 You'll play the long game. 2051 01:40:12.359 --> 01:40:15.000 Yeah, well your thoughts because you were running the Simpsons? 2052 01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:16.720 Were you running the Simpsons when South Park kicked off? 2053 01:40:16.720 --> 01:40:18.479 They kicked off ninety seven? When did you leave? 2054 01:40:19.159 --> 01:40:22.600 We I think we left like ninety eight and were 2055 01:40:22.680 --> 01:40:25.920 kind of pseudo involved. Maybe in ninety nine. 2056 01:40:26.159 --> 01:40:27.960 I was gonna say, what was the vibelot with South 2057 01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:28.640 Pok coming on? 2058 01:40:28.880 --> 01:40:31.319 You know, South Park? We were there. It was like 2059 01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:34.720 I think it was our very early years where we 2060 01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:39.319 were just writers, like it was under I believe it 2061 01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:40.960 was with Mike and now so I think it was, 2062 01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:45.119 and maybe it was with Murkid. For seasons four or five, 2063 01:40:45.640 --> 01:40:50.199 a tape of the south Park pilot circulated. Yeah, and 2064 01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:52.479 we saw in the office and we're like, whoa, this 2065 01:40:52.640 --> 01:40:54.399 is great. It's like this is going to be a 2066 01:40:54.439 --> 01:40:56.199 new show. And people are like, yeah, this is a 2067 01:40:56.239 --> 01:41:00.399 new show. So we saw that tape of people people 2068 01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:04.159 always liked South Park in the offices. I think I 2069 01:41:04.159 --> 01:41:07.840 think people saw didn't like Family Guy when it first 2070 01:41:07.920 --> 01:41:09.680 came on, But I think Family Guy is such a 2071 01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:12.039 different thing, and it's so good at just being a 2072 01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:15.960 joke machine. Like I like it for that, but I 2073 01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:17.920 remember at the time it's like, oh, a Family Guys 2074 01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:19.159 just a Simpsons rip off. 2075 01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:21.920 Well, I always can. I use it on the podcast 2076 01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:24.439 a few times. I always compare Family on the Simpsons too, 2077 01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:27.920 saying Family Guy is like takeout where Simpsons is a 2078 01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:29.399 Sunday roast meal with a family. 2079 01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:30.960 Yeah, that's a good analogy. 2080 01:41:31.039 --> 01:41:32.800 It's good in short doses, but you get tired of 2081 01:41:32.840 --> 01:41:35.119 it real quick. That's how I approach anyway. I'm like, yeah, 2082 01:41:35.159 --> 01:41:37.319 I get this, it's just but it's just joke, joke, joke, joke, 2083 01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:38.880 without any real emotion. 2084 01:41:38.680 --> 01:41:41.520 For a lot of the time empty calories. Satisfying, but 2085 01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:42.159 empty calories. 2086 01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:44.880 But that's how I feel like that. It's similar to 2087 01:41:44.960 --> 01:41:47.279 like like after leaving The Simpsons, I couldn't watch the 2088 01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:49.319 show for a while, And it's the same with Family 2089 01:41:49.359 --> 01:41:52.239 Guy or any animated show. I just didn't watch for 2090 01:41:52.279 --> 01:41:55.000 a while because I was just like, I know, I'm 2091 01:41:55.039 --> 01:41:57.319 seeing too much behind the scenes and I'm not just 2092 01:41:57.479 --> 01:41:58.079 enjoying it. 2093 01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:00.600 Oh, you mentioned you did regret leaving show. How long 2094 01:42:00.640 --> 01:42:02.840 after leaving did you start to realize, Oh, maybe I 2095 01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:04.359 shouldn't have done that. 2096 01:42:04.359 --> 01:42:09.279 That's it probably took like a few years of like 2097 01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:12.600 being in the real world where it's so much more 2098 01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:15.159 difficult to get something on the air, even though it's 2099 01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:16.079 thrilling when you do. 2100 01:42:16.279 --> 01:42:18.319 Because he had struggles with Mission Hill, right. 2101 01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:21.640 Yeah, and that was like we were like, this is 2102 01:42:21.680 --> 01:42:24.640 gonna be the greatest thing, and very quickly realized, oh 2103 01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:27.520 my god, we're gonna this show's gonna be canceled after 2104 01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:30.199 a few episodes and and no one is ever going 2105 01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:32.600 to see it. It was only because of Adult Swim a 2106 01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:36.600 few years later, not having much to show, so that 2107 01:42:36.680 --> 01:42:39.520 they showed Mission Hill over and over again and developed 2108 01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:42.239 this huge fan base, but the show was long dead. 2109 01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:44.840 But that was like, that was really heartening, where like 2110 01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:49.000 meeting people around the country who loved Mission Hill, even 2111 01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:52.000 though like for us it was a horrible it stopped 2112 01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:54.279 being it stopped it from being a horrible tragedy to 2113 01:42:54.319 --> 01:42:58.479 being something that we could fondly remember. And it's like 2114 01:42:58.720 --> 01:43:01.000 and so like, it's like whenever I've worked on a 2115 01:43:01.039 --> 01:43:06.960 show I loved, like Futurama or Gravity Falls or Disenchantment, 2116 01:43:07.319 --> 01:43:09.640 that I don't think about it where I'm like, oh, 2117 01:43:09.680 --> 01:43:12.000 I'm happy to be doing this really fun show. But 2118 01:43:12.079 --> 01:43:14.720 other times I'm like, I miss working on that show 2119 01:43:15.479 --> 01:43:16.720 because there's nothing like it. 2120 01:43:17.279 --> 01:43:19.039 This show is brought to you by the four Finger 2121 01:43:19.079 --> 01:43:22.119 Discount Patreon, where you'll find over one hundred hours of 2122 01:43:22.199 --> 01:43:26.680 bonus podcasts, including exclusive Simpsons reviews and commentaries, as well 2123 01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:29.880 as exclusive episodes of Going Down to South Park, tales 2124 01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:34.159 of Futurama, Bob's Pods, Speaking of the Hill, Talking Sifold, 2125 01:43:34.359 --> 01:43:37.039 the One about Friends, and so much more. So go 2126 01:43:37.079 --> 01:43:40.239 ahead and join the family today at patreon dot com 2127 01:43:40.279 --> 01:43:44.560 slash four Finger Discount. There's one final episode that I 2128 01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:46.159 wanted to just mention before we go to one touch 2129 01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:47.720 on because I wasn't sure whether you worked on it 2130 01:43:47.800 --> 01:43:50.000 or not. I feel like it may have principle and 2131 01:43:50.039 --> 01:43:52.479 the Pauper. Yes, how much did you guys have to 2132 01:43:52.520 --> 01:43:54.159 do with this one? Because this is probably the most 2133 01:43:54.199 --> 01:43:55.479 divisive episode of all time. 2134 01:43:55.560 --> 01:43:56.880 That was one of our episodes. 2135 01:43:57.000 --> 01:43:59.439 I thought it was. It was a carryover from season eight. Yeah, 2136 01:43:59.479 --> 01:44:03.600 so that one that you know that divided the nation 2137 01:44:03.720 --> 01:44:04.680 when it comes to Simpsons. 2138 01:44:04.760 --> 01:44:07.960 Yeah, and we had we had no Honestly, we had 2139 01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:10.520 no idea because it's all like it's based on a 2140 01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:12.840 couple of movies, including like the Return of Martin Gear 2141 01:44:13.279 --> 01:44:17.119 and we thought that we're we're soldiers, somebody coming bits 2142 01:44:17.159 --> 01:44:19.920 back from a war and pretends they were this guy 2143 01:44:19.960 --> 01:44:22.279 who they were, and we're just like this is like 2144 01:44:22.560 --> 01:44:25.359 this is That was our principal Skinner episode where like, 2145 01:44:25.439 --> 01:44:29.239 let's explore why he's like that. And we had no 2146 01:44:30.039 --> 01:44:33.479 idea because it's so but I understand why it made 2147 01:44:33.479 --> 01:44:35.399 people mad. That's one of the things where I do 2148 01:44:35.479 --> 01:44:40.640 get it. I do get it where it's so rather 2149 01:44:40.720 --> 01:44:44.720 than like with Flanders, it explains why he is. But 2150 01:44:44.840 --> 01:44:47.199 with Principaun and Popper kind of I can see the 2151 01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:51.680 certain people that it kind of exploded the character and 2152 01:44:51.680 --> 01:44:54.119 that it I can understand how they feel like it 2153 01:44:54.199 --> 01:44:57.319 ruined everything that came before a principal Skinner because now 2154 01:44:57.399 --> 01:44:59.880 you know, he's not really that and he's this guy 2155 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.039 Garb tams here and I get so I get it. 2156 01:45:02.199 --> 01:45:06.039 And like, while I stand by that episode, the trouble 2157 01:45:06.319 --> 01:45:09.840 that it has caused makes me feel like we probably 2158 01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:11.960 just shouldn't have done it, but only for that reason, 2159 01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:14.760 not if I'd stand by like the story and all 2160 01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:16.960 of that, and it has a lot of good jokes, 2161 01:45:17.199 --> 01:45:20.439 but I get, I do get what I mean. It's 2162 01:45:20.479 --> 01:45:24.479 also crazy that a cartoon could enrage people, but that 2163 01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:25.680 episode certainly did. 2164 01:45:25.800 --> 01:45:27.520 But it's more than a cartoon, no, I think, isn't 2165 01:45:27.520 --> 01:45:28.079 it the same thing? 2166 01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:28.399 Yeah? 2167 01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:30.239 Well, I mean that's the thing. And as a fan, 2168 01:45:30.840 --> 01:45:34.239 I can understand that because you get so attached to 2169 01:45:34.279 --> 01:45:36.720 these characters that if you're suddenly thrown for a loop 2170 01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:40.119 and go like, what principal Skinner isn't principal Skinner And 2171 01:45:40.159 --> 01:45:42.960 that's a thing too, Whereas like Ned Flanders was always 2172 01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:45.119 Ned Flanders, Like when you see him as a kid, 2173 01:45:45.159 --> 01:45:47.680 that's Ned Flanders, you go, I get it. So I 2174 01:45:47.720 --> 01:45:50.720 get I get why it made people so bad. 2175 01:45:51.039 --> 01:45:53.760 I think people were annoyed because we'd seen in previous 2176 01:45:53.800 --> 01:45:57.520 episodes he having flashbacks to certain things that were thrown 2177 01:45:57.520 --> 01:45:59.760 out the window for the logic of this episode, I think, right. 2178 01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:01.720 Yeah, it makes you have to it makes you have 2179 01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:05.279 to reassess everything in a new context. 2180 01:46:05.399 --> 01:46:08.319 So yeah, but also I've sort of learned to as 2181 01:46:08.359 --> 01:46:09.880 time went on. I was used to be a stickler 2182 01:46:09.880 --> 01:46:11.960 for Cannon, and then you know, as I said about 2183 01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:13.760 to season twenty one, and we've talked to Matt Salmon, 2184 01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:16.119 who was very anti Cannon. He's like, who cares about Cannon? 2185 01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:18.640 Every episode's in its own vacuum. I think just for 2186 01:46:18.720 --> 01:46:21.479 that first few seasons of The Simpsons, though, canon was 2187 01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:23.800 kind of important because you felt like you were part 2188 01:46:23.800 --> 01:46:25.920 of this universe. It felt like it was real, and 2189 01:46:25.920 --> 01:46:27.760 if canon doesn't exist, then it doesn't no longer, if 2190 01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:29.680 it doesn't really feel us real anymore. 2191 01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:34.159 Yeah, we were weird in between of that, because like 2192 01:46:34.239 --> 01:46:37.079 we were really attached to all the characters and also 2193 01:46:37.119 --> 01:46:39.720 felt we really want to be real, Like the way 2194 01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:43.600 Jim and Matt and Sam created a show is like 2195 01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:47.159 always to be real. So like we were big adherents 2196 01:46:47.199 --> 01:46:50.319 of that, but then the principal Skinner episode kind of 2197 01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:53.720 does it does kind of break those rules. And while 2198 01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:56.920 I get I like, like Matt Salmon, I'll get really 2199 01:46:56.920 --> 01:47:00.000 annoyed at people nippicking things that are ches supposed to 2200 01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:04.840 be a good funny cartoon. So like I'm usually you 2201 01:47:04.920 --> 01:47:08.279 will be on that side. But I also get people 2202 01:47:08.319 --> 01:47:11.000 being attached to the characters because we weren't too. 2203 01:47:11.359 --> 01:47:12.760 I think you have to do a degree of well 2204 01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:16.479 building to a level that makes emotional sense, if not 2205 01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:19.720 necessarily logical sense. Yeah, and if you do something that 2206 01:47:19.720 --> 01:47:21.119 that strips a bit of the way it was sort 2207 01:47:21.119 --> 01:47:23.199 of they phrase a little bit, that's when people start 2208 01:47:23.199 --> 01:47:23.880 to get a bit annoyed. 2209 01:47:23.960 --> 01:47:28.319 That pushes that episode pushes all those all those bounds. 2210 01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:31.039 So if I if I had to do that's that's 2211 01:47:31.079 --> 01:47:32.920 the only there's I will say, and I will I 2212 01:47:32.960 --> 01:47:35.720 will ever say what the episode. There's a couple episodes 2213 01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:39.199 that in season eight that I think we were so 2214 01:47:39.680 --> 01:47:45.800 tired we didn't do as good a job on polishing 2215 01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:49.000 them as we should have. And there's a couple episodes 2216 01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:53.079 that I think didn't come out as well as they 2217 01:47:53.079 --> 01:47:53.399 could have. 2218 01:47:53.680 --> 01:47:54.039 And you don't. 2219 01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:56.640 No, I don't want to say, because it would it 2220 01:47:56.640 --> 01:47:58.920 would be insult the writer whose name is on it. 2221 01:47:59.039 --> 01:48:00.920 And it's more our fault for just like being so 2222 01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:03.520 tired that we're like, oh my god, we can't like 2223 01:48:04.399 --> 01:48:07.119 this episode. Is it came to like we liked every 2224 01:48:07.119 --> 01:48:09.960 episode to be perfect, and those couple of episodes like, 2225 01:48:10.039 --> 01:48:13.399 they're not perfect and if we had more time and 2226 01:48:13.479 --> 01:48:15.560 weren't so tired, we would have made them better. 2227 01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:18.760 And wasn't your final episode? Was that? Lisa the Simpson 2228 01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:19.279 the final one? 2229 01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:19.359 That? 2230 01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:22.840 Yah, that is brilliant with my kids the other day, 2231 01:48:22.920 --> 01:48:24.199 I loved that episode. 2232 01:48:24.319 --> 01:48:27.279 Oh thank you, we want that. That was intentional to 2233 01:48:27.439 --> 01:48:30.039 be our last episode because we wanted to be a 2234 01:48:30.079 --> 01:48:33.640 real family episode and like that like kind of it 2235 01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:38.600 to explain Lisa to herself. So that was the because 2236 01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:41.960 we liked we liked the like envelope pushing weird episodes, 2237 01:48:42.199 --> 01:48:45.840 but we also love the emotional episodes the most, So 2238 01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:47.439 that's why we wanted to go out on that. 2239 01:48:47.680 --> 01:48:48.760 Josh, you do good work. 2240 01:48:49.640 --> 01:48:50.479 Thank thank you. 2241 01:48:51.039 --> 01:48:52.560 But yeah, but as I said, we would love to 2242 01:48:52.600 --> 01:48:54.079 have you on a game because there's so much more 2243 01:48:54.119 --> 01:48:54.680 to discuss. 2244 01:48:55.319 --> 01:48:59.319 Yeah, I'll talk I'll blab on about any episode, so please. 2245 01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:02.079 We haven't even touched on itching Scratchy and Pucci Sho yet. 2246 01:49:02.079 --> 01:49:04.479 Maybe that can be for the Oh my god, that's 2247 01:49:04.520 --> 01:49:05.760 another one I could go on. 2248 01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:06.720 When you're in that one. 2249 01:49:07.279 --> 01:49:10.520 Yeah, that was. That was a we'll talk about event. 2250 01:49:10.800 --> 01:49:12.640 That was a real treat to be able to to 2251 01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:16.760 whatever reasons I think writers like to do itchy scratchy episodes. 2252 01:49:17.039 --> 01:49:19.600 Was you got to work yourself into into it. 2253 01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:21.439 Yes, all right, we'll touch on that one the next 2254 01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:22.640 the next time we have you on. But thank you 2255 01:49:22.640 --> 01:49:24.039 so much again, Josh for your time. It's been an 2256 01:49:24.079 --> 01:49:24.880 absolute pleasure. 2257 01:49:25.399 --> 01:49:27.960 All right. Yeah, likewise, thank you, thanks about. 2258 01:49:27.880 --> 01:49:28.399 Josh, and. 2259 01:49:34.640 --> 01:49:38.000 We are back here without Josh Winstein. Unfortunately he is 2260 01:49:38.079 --> 01:49:40.439 East leftist. Oh no, he went back to his home plan. 2261 01:49:40.479 --> 01:49:43.039 He's planet needed him. Fortunately he didn't dine on his 2262 01:49:43.039 --> 01:49:44.319 way back to his home plan. And he shall be 2263 01:49:44.319 --> 01:49:46.640 back here on fourthing a discount in coming months. 2264 01:49:46.399 --> 01:49:47.880 I would hope. So, I mean, I think that was 2265 01:49:48.399 --> 01:49:49.840 it was a really good chat. You you'll think it's 2266 01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:52.520 one of the best we've ever done. I'm inclined to agree. 2267 01:49:52.600 --> 01:49:54.640 Yeah, the guys are so afformative and just he just 2268 01:49:54.720 --> 01:49:57.079 clearly loves the Simpsons, which it just shines through when 2269 01:49:57.119 --> 01:49:58.880 he when he's talking about it. But it's just as 2270 01:49:58.880 --> 01:50:00.760 I said, he was in charge of the show during 2271 01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:02.399 my favorite era, so I was just eating everything he 2272 01:50:02.439 --> 01:50:03.840 had to say out. But I would love to get 2273 01:50:04.279 --> 01:50:06.680 he and Bill On to do Bart versus Australia. 2274 01:50:06.720 --> 01:50:08.000 Well, if anyone can do it, you can. 2275 01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:12.079 You're just you know, make things happen. 2276 01:50:12.359 --> 01:50:16.239 It's like the staff of the Simpsons Pokemon and you've 2277 01:50:16.279 --> 01:50:18.319 got to catch them. We're gonna you like it? Do 2278 01:50:18.359 --> 01:50:19.920 you like how I folded all those references? And I 2279 01:50:19.920 --> 01:50:22.920 thought I did pretty well there for an old fucker bad. 2280 01:50:22.840 --> 01:50:24.640 You know what works about chatting to like, you know, 2281 01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:26.960 just want someone and whatnot. What we've been to the 2282 01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:29.479 table is I'm the fan, but you're also you're sort 2283 01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:31.720 of a similar age them as well, so you you can, 2284 01:50:32.239 --> 01:50:33.760 I don't know, you can engage with them on things. 2285 01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:36.000 References that they're talking about from like the seventies and eighties, 2286 01:50:36.039 --> 01:50:37.640 and you know what the fuck they're talking about. It's 2287 01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:39.079 half the time I don't know they're talking about it. 2288 01:50:39.119 --> 01:50:40.880 But like there was one part during the interview where 2289 01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:42.479 you were talking about you want to know about a 2290 01:50:42.560 --> 01:50:44.920 musical and you're like yes, starlout express and you're like yes, 2291 01:50:45.279 --> 01:50:47.039 And I was like, that's what you've been to the 2292 01:50:47.039 --> 01:50:49.439 table as well, you know, just your plethora of knowledge 2293 01:50:49.479 --> 01:50:50.000 about everything. 2294 01:50:50.039 --> 01:50:52.279 It's good that I'm bringing something to the but no, no, 2295 01:50:52.279 --> 01:50:55.520 you're right. But your your enthusiasm, you know, just really 2296 01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:57.920 really shines through. And I think these guys respond to that. 2297 01:50:58.439 --> 01:51:01.560 But also you know, they find themselves willing to not 2298 01:51:01.640 --> 01:51:06.159 even willing to enthusiastic to share their reminiscences and their 2299 01:51:06.479 --> 01:51:08.680 recollections about you know, what they've done and all that 2300 01:51:08.720 --> 01:51:11.399 kind of stuff. Yeah, what it creates is a really 2301 01:51:11.439 --> 01:51:11.840 good show. 2302 01:51:13.319 --> 01:51:16.800 Hope you guys enjoyed it, like and subscribe. But what 2303 01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:18.279 we're doing now is we're going to be doing our 2304 01:51:18.319 --> 01:51:20.840 full run through because obviously we went for over an 2305 01:51:20.840 --> 01:51:22.159 hour and a half with Josh and I was like, 2306 01:51:22.399 --> 01:51:23.640 it's going to be too long. I felt like I 2307 01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:25.319 was getting laid. I don't want to keep him anymore. 2308 01:51:25.319 --> 01:51:26.840 So we will do our run through now of a 2309 01:51:26.880 --> 01:51:29.840 fish Court, Summer, favorite Moments, trivia, all the fun stuff, 2310 01:51:29.880 --> 01:51:31.840 all the fun stuff, all the fun stuff. Starting with 2311 01:51:32.079 --> 01:51:35.680 favorite moments, My favorite. 2312 01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:37.479 Favorite, Oh, my god, so many in this and look 2313 01:51:37.479 --> 01:51:38.319 I probably. 2314 01:51:38.159 --> 01:51:39.399 Well probably touched on most of them. 2315 01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:41.359 Yeah, we probably did, but you give us a few 2316 01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:41.720 of yours. 2317 01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:41.960 First. 2318 01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:43.840 Well, one of my favorite lines that I quote all 2319 01:51:43.840 --> 01:51:45.920 the time is the movie or the Planet. 2320 01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:50.039 I've got that written down here, So yeah, clearly I 2321 01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:54.079 enjoyed that. Look, anytime Jeff goblins in anything, it's it's 2322 01:51:54.119 --> 01:51:57.239 pretty good value. As I said to Josh, it's really 2323 01:51:57.279 --> 01:51:59.520 good casting because he's pretty much the only man who 2324 01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:02.039 could give Phil Hartman a run for his smamy. Yeah 2325 01:52:02.079 --> 01:52:05.079 you're saying that, Yeah, So yeah, I think Goldwin just 2326 01:52:05.119 --> 01:52:07.560 sort of nails pretty much every every line delivery he 2327 01:52:07.880 --> 01:52:08.359 gives in this. 2328 01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:10.640 I think he really shines through with the line I 2329 01:52:10.720 --> 01:52:12.680 was touching with Josh where he actually sounds like Golden, 2330 01:52:12.680 --> 01:52:16.640 where he goes you and the waif threate the most 2331 01:52:16.680 --> 01:52:19.079 of it. He was talking faster because they asked you 2332 01:52:19.159 --> 01:52:20.560 because everyone else was talking slower. 2333 01:52:20.640 --> 01:52:24.359 Yeah, the way that Troy McClure answers the phone, saying team. 2334 01:52:24.279 --> 01:52:24.520 M C. 2335 01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:26.760 Pick up on that. 2336 01:52:26.880 --> 01:52:29.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have to start answering the phone. 2337 01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:30.239 G D. 2338 01:52:33.720 --> 01:52:36.439 See, I don't know. We alluded to this when we 2339 01:52:36.479 --> 01:52:38.880 spoke with Josh, but just when at the very start 2340 01:52:38.920 --> 01:52:41.640 of the episode where the they're watching it. 2341 01:52:41.720 --> 01:52:43.279 It's called muggets goo medieval. 2342 01:52:43.399 --> 01:52:45.520 Yeah, but what do they call it? Rained out rained 2343 01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:49.600 owt ballgame theater or something. But home is just you know, 2344 01:52:49.600 --> 01:52:52.119 talking about something. So to answer your question, I don't know. 2345 01:52:54.199 --> 01:52:56.439 I've got to start incorporating every day. 2346 01:52:56.479 --> 01:52:57.720 So she says, Dad, what's a muppets? 2347 01:52:59.840 --> 01:53:00.640 Not what a muppet? 2348 01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:06.039 Yeah, So that's what it's like as a parents sometimes. Yeah, 2349 01:53:06.239 --> 01:53:08.520 kids ask a question, you go, I know, I should 2350 01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:10.359 know the answer to this, and you try and make 2351 01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:12.600 sit up, and the more you're making shit up, you go. Look, 2352 01:53:12.640 --> 01:53:14.600 Alie asked the other day, and I should know this. 2353 01:53:15.479 --> 01:53:18.079 Why does rain fall from clouds? How does that happen? 2354 01:53:18.159 --> 01:53:21.399 And I'm going, well, trying to use basic common knowledge. 2355 01:53:21.399 --> 01:53:25.199 He maybe because the all the I don't. 2356 01:53:25.039 --> 01:53:27.680 Know, I want to say condensation. 2357 01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:29.199 Yeah, it all builds up into the clouds and it 2358 01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:30.920 gets too heavy and it all has to come out again. 2359 01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:33.479 And Nicolas goes because the clouds are sad, and I 2360 01:53:33.520 --> 01:53:39.600 was like that that will work. Yeah, but you're a 2361 01:53:39.600 --> 01:53:41.640 big muppet guy, you probably do know this. Why are 2362 01:53:41.640 --> 01:53:44.720 they called muppets and monsters? And puppets, Monsters and puppets. Yeah, okay, 2363 01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:46.720 I think I shouldn't. I should know that you're right 2364 01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:48.720 a little bit of double check, because that's pretty much 2365 01:53:49.399 --> 01:53:55.920 what I've always thought. Why muppets called muppets it is 2366 01:53:56.560 --> 01:54:00.079 the muppet was coined. I'm marrying Nette and puppet and 2367 01:54:00.159 --> 01:54:00.640 the monsters. 2368 01:54:01.359 --> 01:54:04.800 Thanks Google, he would have been going around saying, yeah, 2369 01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:06.800 next time, you're like, why they got Mauppet's not Papa? 2370 01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:09.479 He was it because the monster Puppet's son. Then ten 2371 01:54:09.560 --> 01:54:12.359 years later therapy. 2372 01:54:12.079 --> 01:54:16.960 It was like a dead lion. Why I trusted you 2373 01:54:17.880 --> 01:54:19.520 so marrying it and Pappa? That's why they carried that. 2374 01:54:21.199 --> 01:54:21.520 Again. 2375 01:54:21.640 --> 01:54:23.119 Sorry, this is a lot of stuff that we alluded 2376 01:54:23.119 --> 01:54:24.680 to during our chat with Josh, But I mean I 2377 01:54:24.720 --> 01:54:29.199 really liked the way some came through in this. Yeah. 2378 01:54:29.199 --> 01:54:31.520 I just liked her sort of like it felt very 2379 01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:33.880 grown up and mature, just her approach to sort of 2380 01:54:34.479 --> 01:54:37.039 love and romance and or even just you know, dating. 2381 01:54:37.079 --> 01:54:39.880 I mean you probably already said that, but yeah, thanks 2382 01:54:39.880 --> 01:54:41.359 for holding up your into the bargain. I had a 2383 01:54:41.359 --> 01:54:43.760 pretty good time at the end of the date. It's like, 2384 01:54:44.319 --> 01:54:46.600 that's a really great line. I don't know, Yeah, but. 2385 01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:48.479 It's also the fact that it's like, had a pretty 2386 01:54:48.479 --> 01:54:48.960 good time. 2387 01:54:49.760 --> 01:54:54.800 Great, but also thanks for holding up your into the bargain. 2388 01:54:55.079 --> 01:54:56.800 But it's also she was willing to go through with 2389 01:54:56.840 --> 01:54:59.199 this marriage knowing it was a sham, and once a 2390 01:54:59.319 --> 01:55:01.600 kid was brought the equation, then she went, I can't 2391 01:55:01.600 --> 01:55:01.880 do this. 2392 01:55:02.079 --> 01:55:06.079 Yeah. I think that's one of my favorite parts of 2393 01:55:06.119 --> 01:55:08.680 the episode. Yeah, I guess it folds in the favorite moments. 2394 01:55:08.880 --> 01:55:11.319 But to her saying, you know, it's fine for us, 2395 01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:14.199 and you know you it really reveals some character depth. 2396 01:55:14.199 --> 01:55:16.920 It's like depth and kind of like, yeah, look it's 2397 01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:20.119 a sham, it's fine, but it's a pretty nice set 2398 01:55:20.199 --> 01:55:20.800 up here, you know. 2399 01:55:20.880 --> 01:55:23.279 And jud Job gets his rock in and these are 2400 01:55:23.279 --> 01:55:24.159 two people who. 2401 01:55:24.159 --> 01:55:26.239 If they're not in love, they they kind of seem 2402 01:55:26.279 --> 01:55:29.399 to like each other or they're compatible. Yeah a lot. 2403 01:55:29.680 --> 01:55:33.239 So yeah, it's a really deep and thoughtful episode in 2404 01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:34.600 a lot of ways, and also just being one of 2405 01:55:34.600 --> 01:55:36.359 the funniest. So yeah, that's that's fantastic. 2406 01:55:36.560 --> 01:55:38.800 I also love that that he was taking someone to 2407 01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:40.720 a special screen of his latest movie and it was 2408 01:55:40.720 --> 01:55:42.720 the Mother movie from nineteen seventy seven. So not only 2409 01:55:42.840 --> 01:55:45.680 is it like at this shitty flea market drive in 2410 01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:47.560 right that no one else is there but them? But 2411 01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:49.560 that's his latest movie from nineteen seventy seven. It hasn't 2412 01:55:49.560 --> 01:55:50.199 been a movie since. 2413 01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:55.760 Why is it on rained at ballgame Theater but also 2414 01:55:55.760 --> 01:55:58.399 at the drum? I don't know. I don't know that. 2415 01:55:59.239 --> 01:56:00.920 I'm sure I have otheravorite moments. And as we do, 2416 01:56:01.840 --> 01:56:03.840 we sort of doing a run through. Yeah, of course, 2417 01:56:04.439 --> 01:56:05.880 then more will come up as we go. 2418 01:56:05.920 --> 01:56:07.960 But before that though, trivia trivia. 2419 01:56:08.199 --> 01:56:10.680 Next question, you there eating the Beast. 2420 01:56:11.319 --> 01:56:13.840 My first question for you is I've already spoilt it. 2421 01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:15.560 I would just say it. What year was The Muppets 2422 01:56:15.600 --> 01:56:16.600 Go Medieval released? 2423 01:56:17.159 --> 01:56:18.600 It wasn't nineteen seventy seven? 2424 01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:21.000 Yeah, just said that one. Yeah. Yeah. What is MacArthur 2425 01:56:21.000 --> 01:56:24.960 Parker's agency called representations? 2426 01:56:25.079 --> 01:56:28.960 Right? Yes? Representations? Yes? Yeah, you know you've already sort 2427 01:56:28.960 --> 01:56:31.039 of alluded to this as well. What is the name 2428 01:56:31.079 --> 01:56:34.399 of the full name of the drive in that Troy 2429 01:56:34.439 --> 01:56:35.199 and Sommer. 2430 01:56:35.159 --> 01:56:37.880 Oh, I don't know, and it's highway something. 2431 01:56:37.960 --> 01:56:40.439 Yeah, it's Route eighteen, flea market and driving. 2432 01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:44.199 Yes, there we go. Yeah, And finally for me, who 2433 01:56:44.239 --> 01:56:48.479 else has was welcome at the Aphrodite Inn? Welcome Troy 2434 01:56:48.520 --> 01:56:50.640 mccluur of mister and Missus McLure, and it says also, 2435 01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:53.800 oh damn, it was Share and contest winner. 2436 01:56:53.840 --> 01:56:57.000 That's right, Sharing contest with one last question for you. 2437 01:56:57.119 --> 01:57:03.239 Troy turns down the co starring role McBain What McBain four, Yes, 2438 01:57:03.279 --> 01:57:06.119 but it's a McBain four Colon Watts. 2439 01:57:06.239 --> 01:57:06.640 I don't know. 2440 01:57:07.399 --> 01:57:08.279 Fatal discharge. 2441 01:57:08.279 --> 01:57:12.520 Fatal discharge, all right, unfortunate that with for somebody. Yeah, yes, 2442 01:57:12.920 --> 01:57:15.239 all right. So let's get into our run through of 2443 01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:18.960 a fish Cord Summer, which originally aired March twenty fourth, 2444 01:57:19.039 --> 01:57:20.920 nineteen ninety six, or top three films at the US 2445 01:57:20.920 --> 01:57:24.119 box office at this time. Number three, Die a Bleak, 2446 01:57:24.640 --> 01:57:25.640 You a beleak, you bleek. 2447 01:57:25.680 --> 01:57:28.760 I don't know what that is, one that stars Sharon 2448 01:57:28.800 --> 01:57:32.640 Stone and French goddess Isabelle a Janni and it got 2449 01:57:32.760 --> 01:57:34.199 like an erotic murder mystery. 2450 01:57:34.279 --> 01:57:38.000 Oh okay. And number two is Executive Decision. What a movie? 2451 01:57:38.079 --> 01:57:40.880 Oh yeah, yeah, starring Steven Sagre. 2452 01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:43.159 Funny thing is I've got a VHS of Executive Decision 2453 01:57:43.159 --> 01:57:44.640 the other week and it's got to goal on the 2454 01:57:44.680 --> 01:57:45.000 front cover. 2455 01:57:45.000 --> 01:57:46.079 Oh yeah, had to remove him. 2456 01:57:47.800 --> 01:57:49.960 Were you annoyed? When when he went then he was killed. No, 2457 01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:51.600 not at all. I think it's pretty bad. It's a 2458 01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:54.399 great it's a good twist. Yeah, at his peak when 2459 01:57:54.399 --> 01:57:56.840 he was actually popular before he went like for karate. 2460 01:57:56.920 --> 01:57:58.239 Is he karate muster now or something? 2461 01:57:58.680 --> 01:57:59.560 I don't know what he's doing. 2462 01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:02.640 And number one is oh, speaking of the Simpsons, the 2463 01:58:02.680 --> 01:58:06.479 bird cage doing his doing his. 2464 01:58:09.479 --> 01:58:12.279 Spanished thick uh and in. 2465 01:58:12.279 --> 01:58:16.119 This episode was written by Jack Barth and directed by 2466 01:58:16.439 --> 01:58:19.680 Mark Kirkland guestar and Phil Hartman's Tropic Clure and Fat 2467 01:58:19.720 --> 01:58:23.439 Tony as we discussed Corey with Josh and Jeff Goblin 2468 01:58:23.479 --> 01:58:26.239 as MacArthur Parker. The couch gave the Simpsons are five 2469 01:58:26.479 --> 01:58:29.399 malfunctioning wind up dolls who buzzed their way to the couch. 2470 01:58:29.520 --> 01:58:31.279 See episode kicks off with the movie for a Rained 2471 01:58:31.279 --> 01:58:35.920 Out Ball Game and it stars Troy McClure, featuring Tropic 2472 01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:38.319 cler and the Muppets, and Lisa then asked Homer, what 2473 01:58:38.359 --> 01:58:39.359 is a muppet? And what is it? 2474 01:58:39.439 --> 01:58:42.319 Guy? What is a muppet? It's a marionette par a 2475 01:58:42.319 --> 01:58:45.119 monsterous puppet. By the way, have you have you seen 2476 01:58:45.159 --> 01:58:48.760 need to be heard about this? Probably, but apparently Jennifer 2477 01:58:48.800 --> 01:58:52.840 Lawrence and Emma Stone are collaborating to do a Miss 2478 01:58:52.840 --> 01:58:56.960 Piggy solo project, Miss Piggy movie. Emma Stone and who 2479 01:58:57.119 --> 01:59:01.079 Jennifer Lawrence. They're like working behind the scenes to so 2480 01:59:01.159 --> 01:59:02.319 that they're not going to be in it, or they're 2481 01:59:02.319 --> 01:59:03.960 going to be in it. No, I think Emmistone might producing. 2482 01:59:03.960 --> 01:59:05.079 I think Jennif Lawrence might. 2483 01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:05.319 Be in it. 2484 01:59:06.039 --> 01:59:07.960 The Muppets is one of those franchises, one of those 2485 01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:10.319 licenses that Disney have just never been able to work out. 2486 01:59:10.520 --> 01:59:13.600 You know, they were a big success throughout the eighties, nineties, 2487 01:59:13.640 --> 01:59:16.439 right and seventies as well late seventies, but since Disney 2488 01:59:16.439 --> 01:59:18.439 took over it, they never seem to know what to 2489 01:59:18.439 --> 01:59:18.800 do with it. 2490 01:59:18.840 --> 01:59:20.479 Did you like the Jason Siegal movie. 2491 01:59:20.760 --> 01:59:23.159 I actually really liked that movie. I thought it was 2492 01:59:23.199 --> 01:59:24.720 great and the kids love it as well. Muppets Most 2493 01:59:24.760 --> 01:59:26.920 Wanted is a lot of fun as well. But apparently 2494 01:59:26.960 --> 01:59:28.520 Muppets Most Wanted didn't do too well so which is 2495 01:59:28.520 --> 01:59:30.560 why they didn't do a third one, which is a shame. 2496 01:59:30.560 --> 01:59:32.159 But when it comes to like the TV show they 2497 01:59:32.199 --> 01:59:35.000 tried that Muppets, it was more like the Office kind 2498 01:59:35.039 --> 01:59:37.760 of style and it was more adult based kind of comedy, 2499 01:59:37.800 --> 01:59:39.960 and I don't know, I just didn't just didn't work 2500 01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:41.880 for me. The Muppets need to be just go back 2501 01:59:41.880 --> 01:59:43.880 to the classic style of in the Muppet Theater, and 2502 01:59:43.920 --> 01:59:45.760 I think kids would enjoy that now. I think parents 2503 01:59:45.800 --> 01:59:47.520 would enjoy watching it with their kids because it feels 2504 01:59:47.520 --> 01:59:49.319 like there's not much content out there that you can 2505 01:59:49.359 --> 01:59:53.439 watch that's wholesome for more. Yeah, adult adults and kids 2506 01:59:53.439 --> 01:59:55.000 can enjoy. But what do you think. 2507 01:59:55.520 --> 01:59:59.680 Well, look, I'm not a huge Muppets guy. Certainly, when 2508 01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:02.319 I was kid on the Muppet Show on TV was 2509 02:00:02.359 --> 02:00:04.680 like pretty huge. I mean, you know, I was attracting big, 2510 02:00:04.720 --> 02:00:06.760 big stars to be part of it. I think people 2511 02:00:06.800 --> 02:00:10.840 recognize Jim Henson's you know, creativity and imagination. Just wanted 2512 02:00:10.840 --> 02:00:14.039 to be in the sphere of that. So look, it's 2513 02:00:14.119 --> 02:00:15.920 all a matter of finding the right people to be behind. 2514 02:00:15.920 --> 02:00:18.039 Some people who really dig the Muppets and also have 2515 02:00:18.600 --> 02:00:21.159 It's like we say about the Simpsons, like, oh, you 2516 02:00:21.159 --> 02:00:23.279 get writers and creative people like I really want to 2517 02:00:23.279 --> 02:00:24.760 be part of the Simpsons, but they've grown up on 2518 02:00:24.800 --> 02:00:27.520 the Simpsons. You need to have creative interest outside it, 2519 02:00:28.079 --> 02:00:29.960 you know, you need to appreciation for what you're working on, 2520 02:00:30.000 --> 02:00:32.159 but also you need to bring something else to the 2521 02:00:32.159 --> 02:00:33.880 table as well. It can't be just like I want 2522 02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:35.439 to do Muppets like the way I saw Muppets, like 2523 02:00:36.199 --> 02:00:39.279 I bring something else to it as well, bringing a 2524 02:00:39.279 --> 02:00:40.119 bigger spark. 2525 02:00:40.479 --> 02:00:43.199 This show is brought to you by the Forefinger Discount Patreon, 2526 02:00:43.239 --> 02:00:46.359 where you'll find over one hundred hours of bonus podcasts, 2527 02:00:46.399 --> 02:00:50.640 including exclusive Simpsons reviews and commentaries, as well as exclusive 2528 02:00:50.640 --> 02:00:53.840 episodes of Going Down to South Park, Tales of Futurama, 2529 02:00:54.119 --> 02:00:57.880 Bob's Pods, Speaking of the Hill, Talking Sifould, The One 2530 02:00:57.880 --> 02:01:00.720 About Friends, and so much more. To go ahead and 2531 02:01:00.800 --> 02:01:03.920 join the family today at patreon dot com Slash four 2532 02:01:03.960 --> 02:01:07.159 figure discount. Do white kids really love the Sing Movies? 2533 02:01:07.640 --> 02:01:10.039 And I watched this This is just the fucking Muppet Show. 2534 02:01:10.119 --> 02:01:12.520 There's just people up on stage just doing cover songs. 2535 02:01:12.600 --> 02:01:14.159 So they didn't get the people who make the sing 2536 02:01:14.199 --> 02:01:15.479 movies to do it. 2537 02:01:14.960 --> 02:01:16.920 It's just like watching the Muppet Show. 2538 02:01:21.479 --> 02:01:23.159 Trying to slap shit together and make it all work. 2539 02:01:23.199 --> 02:01:25.479 I've never watched the Sing movies, but yeah, so that's 2540 02:01:25.479 --> 02:01:27.239 what it is. It's like it's on a show and 2541 02:01:27.279 --> 02:01:29.079 you've got people behind the scenes like let's put it 2542 02:01:29.079 --> 02:01:31.199 on a show. Ah, the stage is falling over. Oh 2543 02:01:31.239 --> 02:01:33.039 so and so hasn't shown up, and occasionally someone will 2544 02:01:33.039 --> 02:01:33.640 get up and sing. 2545 02:01:33.680 --> 02:01:36.520 So basically sing is a koala who I believe he 2546 02:01:36.760 --> 02:01:39.520 owes money or he's wanted to be a big successful 2547 02:01:39.600 --> 02:01:42.560 like Broadway director, not working out for him, and then 2548 02:01:42.640 --> 02:01:45.039 he gets a bunch of rag tag you know, rejects 2549 02:01:45.039 --> 02:01:47.920 of people who ordinary people who have talent but haven't 2550 02:01:47.960 --> 02:01:51.199 got the maybe the appearance, or haven't just got the 2551 02:01:51.199 --> 02:01:53.760 the avenue to become stars. And they all put together 2552 02:01:53.800 --> 02:01:55.640 this show and people gather at the end they're like, oh, 2553 02:01:55.680 --> 02:01:57.039 you guys are really talent. You guys are great, and 2554 02:01:57.239 --> 02:01:59.399 to start singing cover songs of just you know, shake 2555 02:01:59.439 --> 02:02:01.840 it Off and these other I wanted my Way, and 2556 02:02:01.840 --> 02:02:02.680 it's like this. 2557 02:02:02.720 --> 02:02:06.479 Is literally what the Muppet Show used to be. Cool, Okay, 2558 02:02:06.640 --> 02:02:09.439 that works. And those thing movies, well how many of they. 2559 02:02:09.359 --> 02:02:11.319 Made like two and then making a third one I believe. Yeah. 2560 02:02:11.479 --> 02:02:13.880 Yeah, So the clue is an audience, yes, there is, indeed, 2561 02:02:13.920 --> 02:02:17.479 but there is not an audience apparently for Tromicclure or 2562 02:02:17.479 --> 02:02:19.479 the Muppets go Medieval. What a well done segue, way 2563 02:02:19.520 --> 02:02:20.000 on your pat. 2564 02:02:20.039 --> 02:02:21.880 I would watch this movie. There were a lot of 2565 02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:23.279 There were a lot of these movies. It was just 2566 02:02:23.399 --> 02:02:26.199 the Muppets with so and so. Yeah, the Muppets Take Manhattan. 2567 02:02:26.199 --> 02:02:27.960 That was a TV I think I was released in 2568 02:02:28.039 --> 02:02:31.399 film in cinemas, yeah, yeah, But I only ever saw it. 2569 02:02:31.600 --> 02:02:33.119 My name taped it off TV. So I always saw 2570 02:02:33.119 --> 02:02:35.000 it as like a TV movie because it doesn't feel 2571 02:02:35.039 --> 02:02:38.319 like a big budget movie. But because you know, I 2572 02:02:38.319 --> 02:02:40.039 found out it was later on. But because Frank Cole's 2573 02:02:40.079 --> 02:02:42.960 directed that one believe ye, But I saw it. My 2574 02:02:43.359 --> 02:02:44.880 only knowledge of it moving when I was a kid 2575 02:02:44.920 --> 02:02:47.000 was Nan tapping off the TV. There's always those commercial 2576 02:02:47.000 --> 02:02:48.479 breaks throughut and I'm like, oh, this must have been 2577 02:02:48.479 --> 02:02:51.039 a TV movie then, but no, it's not right. 2578 02:02:51.119 --> 02:02:55.239 Muppet Caper, Muppy Christmas, Carol, Upper Treasure Island. 2579 02:02:55.279 --> 02:02:57.079 I fell off after My Treasure. I never I never 2580 02:02:57.079 --> 02:02:58.920 saw it. I never saw it. 2581 02:02:59.239 --> 02:02:59.800 Tim carry in. 2582 02:03:00.399 --> 02:03:03.439 What am I doing? I look about themuppets. 2583 02:03:03.439 --> 02:03:05.239 Though we were now returning to Fish called Selm, We're 2584 02:03:05.239 --> 02:03:05.960 already in progress. 2585 02:03:05.960 --> 02:03:07.960 That Bart thinks that trou mcclauw, who's that guy made 2586 02:03:07.960 --> 02:03:10.239 a leather and it's actually trauma claw and Marge explains 2587 02:03:10.279 --> 02:03:12.199 that he was once a teen heart throb in the seventies, 2588 02:03:12.399 --> 02:03:14.399 which is the first time I've ever mentioned or heard 2589 02:03:14.439 --> 02:03:17.159 Marge mention that he was like a heart thriber. We've 2590 02:03:17.159 --> 02:03:19.000 always just seen him as this is, as a washedout, 2591 02:03:19.159 --> 02:03:20.760 washed up guy. But no, apparently he was a heart 2592 02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:23.479 throb back in the day. And Homer brings up, who'd 2593 02:03:23.479 --> 02:03:25.279 have thought he'd become such a weirdo, And we find 2594 02:03:25.319 --> 02:03:27.439 out why in just a few moments, and they discussed 2595 02:03:27.439 --> 02:03:29.119 the weird things he does at the aquarium and Marsha, 2596 02:03:29.159 --> 02:03:32.199 it's just an over legend. Reminded me of the Jobel. 2597 02:03:32.439 --> 02:03:34.720 It's a very much the Richard gear story. Yeah, yeah, 2598 02:03:35.079 --> 02:03:39.319 which is still to this day bizarre. People don't do 2599 02:03:39.319 --> 02:03:41.399 that kind of thing of fish. March says. It's one 2600 02:03:41.399 --> 02:03:43.560 of those things where it's like, you know it might 2601 02:03:43.600 --> 02:03:45.920 be true, but you'd rather believe it's not. Oh sure, 2602 02:03:46.000 --> 02:03:47.560 but it just shatters the illusion of this hero that 2603 02:03:47.600 --> 02:03:48.840 you had, or this heart throat that you had when 2604 02:03:48.840 --> 02:03:49.439 you're growing up. 2605 02:03:49.479 --> 02:03:51.800 Oh look, well, not far from now, not long from now, 2606 02:03:51.800 --> 02:03:55.079 we're about to record the movie Guy with Marlton Davis. 2607 02:03:55.079 --> 02:03:57.720 We're going to be talking about the grew of Eddie Murphy. Yeah, 2608 02:03:58.039 --> 02:04:01.920 roller coaster, and he's got some stuff in his personal life. Yeah, 2609 02:04:01.960 --> 02:04:04.520 we either sort of memory hole, We're just like, oh, 2610 02:04:04.560 --> 02:04:08.000 that's bullshit, or or we're just going I choose to 2611 02:04:08.000 --> 02:04:11.680 believe that doesn't happen with Jackson. Fans Saxon Jackson, Yeah, 2612 02:04:11.720 --> 02:04:14.199 don't be ignorat as much, says he's a perfect gentleman, 2613 02:04:14.279 --> 02:04:17.840 like Bing Crosby or JFK, who were both known for 2614 02:04:17.880 --> 02:04:25.399 what being legendary pantsman shall we say, Yeah, unfaithful, infidelity, 2615 02:04:25.439 --> 02:04:26.000 all that kind. 2616 02:04:25.880 --> 02:04:28.439 Of stuff exactly, And she wonders what he's doing now, 2617 02:04:28.479 --> 02:04:30.640 and it cuts to Troy driving his I love this. 2618 02:04:30.720 --> 02:04:32.800 We forgot to mention this with Josh the Dolorean. Oh yeah, 2619 02:04:32.960 --> 02:04:35.520 it just it just seems to fit in right back 2620 02:04:35.560 --> 02:04:38.199 when he was a big star, like late seventies, you know, earlierighties, 2621 02:04:38.319 --> 02:04:40.199 having a Dolouri would have been the fucking coolest thing 2622 02:04:40.279 --> 02:04:42.359 in the world, right, Yeah, would you drive a Doloreian? 2623 02:04:42.359 --> 02:04:43.960 Now you if you had the ability to drive a Doloreian, 2624 02:04:43.960 --> 02:04:44.479 would you do it? 2625 02:04:44.520 --> 02:04:46.119 I would do it once. I would not own a door. 2626 02:04:47.479 --> 02:04:48.960 I think it's a kin to what I think. It's 2627 02:04:48.960 --> 02:04:50.720 a kin to owning, say like a cyber truck. 2628 02:04:51.119 --> 02:04:54.039 Well, I don't know. I feel like it's one of 2629 02:04:54.079 --> 02:04:56.399 those things where if you drive a Dolorian around, everyone's 2630 02:04:56.399 --> 02:04:57.880 gonna be looking at you the entire time. You're never 2631 02:04:57.880 --> 02:04:59.399 going to get a chance. You can't just part a 2632 02:04:59.439 --> 02:05:01.000 Dolarey in the Safeway car park. 2633 02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:04.439 Here's the thing. We're both from Geelong. Yeah, it's it's 2634 02:05:04.479 --> 02:05:07.199 a it's a regional city. It's not necessarily a small town, 2635 02:05:07.840 --> 02:05:10.479 but that there is there at least maybe two or 2636 02:05:10.479 --> 02:05:14.279 three residents of this place where we leavest this Yeah, 2637 02:05:14.399 --> 02:05:17.920 who have either a Lamboat or a Ferrari. And it's like, no, 2638 02:05:18.399 --> 02:05:20.680 you don't drive that here. You can top out at 2639 02:05:20.680 --> 02:05:23.600 a Porsche. That's a that's as exotic as you get 2640 02:05:23.640 --> 02:05:26.239 with a sports car. Here, maybe a Maserati because they 2641 02:05:26.239 --> 02:05:27.039 seem fairly sort of. 2642 02:05:27.319 --> 02:05:29.239 Low key, and you're also asking for trouble if your driving. 2643 02:05:29.560 --> 02:05:33.439 Ask you park that ship of Dan Murphy's yet, Fuck, 2644 02:05:33.600 --> 02:05:34.880 you're getting so cy. 2645 02:05:36.199 --> 02:05:39.039 And it just looks weird. Ri I mean next to 2646 02:05:39.079 --> 02:05:40.640 hender XL pretty. 2647 02:05:40.439 --> 02:05:44.680 Much out of my way kya. 2648 02:05:46.239 --> 02:05:47.560 But love on the back of his dolor and he's 2649 02:05:47.600 --> 02:05:49.479 got a bumper Stiket says, joined me at the Springfield 2650 02:05:50.079 --> 02:05:52.760 Aquarium and he's crashing into various cars and he gets 2651 02:05:52.800 --> 02:05:54.880 put over by Wigham and he opens the door door 2652 02:05:54.960 --> 02:05:56.640 hits him in the head because they go up obviously, 2653 02:05:57.039 --> 02:05:59.520 and I'm seeing stars here, No, just one, and he 2654 02:05:59.520 --> 02:06:02.479 brings up, so we should name all the movies to 2655 02:06:02.560 --> 02:06:05.880 find the greatest story that ever Hulard and they came to. 2656 02:06:06.039 --> 02:06:09.840 Burgle Carnie Hall. That's the one that I read, because 2657 02:06:09.880 --> 02:06:13.399 I mean, yeah, I agree. From the seventies when and 2658 02:06:13.439 --> 02:06:16.640 seventies and eighties, but there were millions of movies like this, 2659 02:06:16.760 --> 02:06:18.279 and they would show them all the time on your 2660 02:06:18.319 --> 02:06:20.680 three or four TV channels, and you ended up watching them. 2661 02:06:20.680 --> 02:06:22.319 As I said to you, you're in Josh, I mean, 2662 02:06:22.680 --> 02:06:24.359 as I said during our interview with Josh. And when 2663 02:06:24.359 --> 02:06:27.319 we've spoken to other people who create the show who 2664 02:06:27.359 --> 02:06:29.560 are sort of more of my vintage. When you grow 2665 02:06:29.600 --> 02:06:31.800 up and you've got less sort of or you've got 2666 02:06:31.800 --> 02:06:34.800 exposure to everything, it's like, all this works and this 2667 02:06:34.880 --> 02:06:36.680 is shit, and I know what to do and what. 2668 02:06:36.600 --> 02:06:38.800 Not to do, and everyone was exposed to the same things. 2669 02:06:38.880 --> 02:06:43.079 Oh yeah, you wouldn't choose Yeah, yeah. 2670 02:06:42.119 --> 02:06:46.399 All right, Captain rash rash out of the car. Oh, 2671 02:06:46.479 --> 02:06:49.439 I'm seeing stars here, No just one. 2672 02:06:50.039 --> 02:06:52.560 I am try McClure, you may remember me from such 2673 02:06:52.600 --> 02:06:55.479 films as the greatest story ever hulaed And they came 2674 02:06:55.520 --> 02:06:56.479 to Burglar Carnegie. 2675 02:06:56.520 --> 02:06:59.279 Ha ah fred N. 2676 02:07:01.119 --> 02:07:03.079 I also liked to hear too that it's kind of 2677 02:07:03.079 --> 02:07:05.880 sad for McClure. He's like, may I remember me from 2678 02:07:05.880 --> 02:07:09.920 this week? And I was like, A, still, you have 2679 02:07:09.960 --> 02:07:11.600 to ask for your license and he says he has 2680 02:07:11.640 --> 02:07:14.560 to wear his glasses as pro's license where this is 2681 02:07:14.560 --> 02:07:16.600 a crime against nature, and he puts on. He goes 2682 02:07:16.720 --> 02:07:18.000 he he you look like kind of a nerd. Look, 2683 02:07:18.039 --> 02:07:19.600 I'll rip up your ticket, but make sure you go 2684 02:07:19.680 --> 02:07:20.359 do an eye test. 2685 02:07:20.840 --> 02:07:22.560 But he still, I'm sure going to have to ask 2686 02:07:22.600 --> 02:07:23.239 you for a bride. 2687 02:07:23.439 --> 02:07:25.520 Out the d m V, Grandpa thinks that Patty and 2688 02:07:25.560 --> 02:07:28.359 Summer are both March and they say, why do we 2689 02:07:28.359 --> 02:07:30.399 always get these widows coming to DMV. They go all 2690 02:07:30.399 --> 02:07:33.960 the Chippendale dances aren't pulling with each other, and Grandpa 2691 02:07:34.039 --> 02:07:37.720 is annoyed because he wanted his license revoked. I wanted 2692 02:07:37.720 --> 02:07:40.880 this revote. Then McClure enters and Hibbit surprised he'd be there, 2693 02:07:41.239 --> 02:07:43.279 and this week get the moment we're discussing where Phil 2694 02:07:43.319 --> 02:07:45.720 Hartman actually voices fat Tony. If you watch it now 2695 02:07:45.760 --> 02:07:49.439 knowing that you go and actually sounds quite different to 2696 02:07:49.520 --> 02:07:50.640 Joe doing fat Tony. 2697 02:07:51.359 --> 02:07:54.159 Hey, I thought you said try McClue was dead. No, 2698 02:07:54.720 --> 02:07:57.600 what I said was he sleeps with the fishes. You 2699 02:07:57.640 --> 02:08:00.920 see Coney Please No, I just stayed a whole pleated. 2700 02:08:00.640 --> 02:08:03.760 Ding my gul, ding gammago? What is that? 2701 02:08:04.279 --> 02:08:06.479 I think I've said in the past My secret shame 2702 02:08:06.840 --> 02:08:11.000 is that I haven't actually watched the Sopranos really. Yeah, ever, 2703 02:08:11.680 --> 02:08:13.680 I've seen some episodes of it, but I need to 2704 02:08:13.680 --> 02:08:16.199 watch it all the way through blue. That's my that's 2705 02:08:16.199 --> 02:08:17.720 my twenty twenty six project. 2706 02:08:18.039 --> 02:08:20.359 It's worth it. Yeah, but they actually I did look 2707 02:08:20.399 --> 02:08:22.439 it up as actually isn't made up. There's possibly a 2708 02:08:22.439 --> 02:08:23.680 reference to pasta fazoo. 2709 02:08:24.199 --> 02:08:26.399 Yeah, and there's also gabba gul which they talk about 2710 02:08:26.399 --> 02:08:28.560 on me, which I'm assuming is some kind. 2711 02:08:28.399 --> 02:08:31.359 Of dish that something you eat. 2712 02:08:32.199 --> 02:08:33.279 What do they call it? What do they call it? 2713 02:08:34.479 --> 02:08:38.039 I just dingo dinga magoo, I said, all pleat of 2714 02:08:38.079 --> 02:08:42.199 dinga magool. Someone can't believe he's there though, but and 2715 02:08:42.279 --> 02:08:43.840 he isn't wearing his glasses, and he thinks he's really 2716 02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:46.119 attractive until he puts his glasses on, and he's like oh, 2717 02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:48.319 and he says you may remember from oh. She remembers 2718 02:08:48.359 --> 02:08:50.239 him from such films as Mit, Joe Blow and Give 2719 02:08:50.279 --> 02:08:53.560 My Remains to Broadway. Then he says stars like him, 2720 02:08:53.600 --> 02:08:56.039 though she starts him that wear glasses, and Patty thinks 2721 02:08:56.039 --> 02:08:58.760 he's gross. She thinks this is like, this interaction is 2722 02:08:58.760 --> 02:09:02.399 gross because Paty's always been not loveless, but she's just 2723 02:09:04.039 --> 02:09:07.159 affection in every way. But she says, read the top line. 2724 02:09:07.239 --> 02:09:10.640 It's just the letter eat. You can't read it. Puts 2725 02:09:10.680 --> 02:09:12.239 his glasses on, and this is I was discussing this 2726 02:09:12.279 --> 02:09:14.239 with Josh. I love the reading here from Phil where 2727 02:09:14.279 --> 02:09:17.720 he's like, listen, miss Boovia and takes the glasses bake 2728 02:09:17.720 --> 02:09:20.279 off again, and he says, you were a payer. If 2729 02:09:20.319 --> 02:09:23.000 she passes him, you take her for dinner. She passed him. 2730 02:09:23.000 --> 02:09:25.560 That took a lot of class. Now at Pimento Grove 2731 02:09:25.840 --> 02:09:27.840 and the various stars are on the wall, and I 2732 02:09:27.960 --> 02:09:29.760 like that a lot of the stars are previous guest 2733 02:09:29.760 --> 02:09:33.399 stars as well. Titoe, Tom Cruse, who didn't actually guest star, 2734 02:09:33.479 --> 02:09:36.079 but he's been on The Simpsons. He was in isn't 2735 02:09:36.119 --> 02:09:39.520 the deleted scene I believe from the Spring the gambling 2736 02:09:39.520 --> 02:09:43.800 episode because rain Man, right, yeah, And because I had 2737 02:09:43.840 --> 02:09:45.239 no idea what was going on in that deleted scene, 2738 02:09:45.239 --> 02:09:47.520 because they showed deleted scenes in one hundred and thirtyeth 2739 02:09:47.520 --> 02:09:50.399 them so spectacular, and it's just this guy going and 2740 02:09:50.479 --> 02:09:54.039 I'm like, what the hell is going on? Rain Man? 2741 02:09:54.479 --> 02:09:56.640 But as a kid, I'm like, what is going on here? 2742 02:09:57.079 --> 02:10:00.600 But then Barry White is there, Liz Taylor, Bet Midler, Nimoy, 2743 02:10:00.680 --> 02:10:04.000 Adam Wes Sting, David Crosby, k Brian, James Woods, and 2744 02:10:04.039 --> 02:10:06.600 Troy is where on the toilet on the cat door, 2745 02:10:06.640 --> 02:10:08.520 Well on the cat door, So yes, the cat door 2746 02:10:08.560 --> 02:10:11.880 of the toilet. I believe of something. Yeah. Then they 2747 02:10:11.880 --> 02:10:14.479 start some small talk and she's getting repetitive stressed, sort 2748 02:10:14.479 --> 02:10:16.640 from scratching it but all day. And then she sees 2749 02:10:16.680 --> 02:10:18.800 the conversation more towards him, and he says has been 2750 02:10:18.800 --> 02:10:20.560 reading a lot of scripts. It's cheaper than going to 2751 02:10:20.600 --> 02:10:23.800 the movie. Every line he says in this episode is 2752 02:10:23.800 --> 02:10:26.159 a zinger. Oh yeah, I don't think there's a line 2753 02:10:26.159 --> 02:10:28.560 here where it doesn't end with the punchline, so it's amazing. 2754 02:10:29.319 --> 02:10:30.800 They leave and she thanks him for holding of his 2755 02:10:30.960 --> 02:10:34.439 end of the bar. Had a pretty good time at least, 2756 02:10:34.479 --> 02:10:36.479 he's honest. Looks like it was five. 2757 02:10:36.720 --> 02:10:39.000 It's like her expectations are a low. 2758 02:10:39.920 --> 02:10:42.439 Yeah, I had a pretty good time. Yeah yeah, yeah. 2759 02:10:42.479 --> 02:10:44.720 But also we need to acknowledge that through all of 2760 02:10:44.720 --> 02:10:47.319 his faults, Troy did come through. He said, if I 2761 02:10:47.319 --> 02:10:49.439 will take you to dinner, if you pass me, he 2762 02:10:49.439 --> 02:10:51.159 could have easily just walked out forgotten about it, so 2763 02:10:51.239 --> 02:10:55.000 he took it to dinner. He's insincere, but he's got integrity. Yeah. Yeah. 2764 02:10:55.159 --> 02:10:57.760 Then the photographers see him with a woman and it 2765 02:10:57.800 --> 02:10:59.840 gives him a little he's a little something for page 2766 02:11:00.720 --> 02:11:06.479 and it cuts to what page ten, and I love 2767 02:11:06.560 --> 02:11:08.880 the headline here they give for this part of the 2768 02:11:08.920 --> 02:11:12.039 celebrity gossip. It's Troy a little tenderness, oh yeah yeah. 2769 02:11:12.079 --> 02:11:13.680 And at the bottom, look he's drug and it's just 2770 02:11:13.760 --> 02:11:16.600 Rainiew wolf Castle. Then Lenny and Carl see this in 2771 02:11:16.640 --> 02:11:19.039 the newspaper at the at the power plant and Homa 2772 02:11:19.079 --> 02:11:20.880 doesn't believe it. No, there's no way he's washed up. 2773 02:11:20.880 --> 02:11:23.520 Movie Stough she'd be dating washed up supermodels, and Carl says, 2774 02:11:23.520 --> 02:11:25.000 oh no, I'd paid the scene in a movie. Now, 2775 02:11:25.520 --> 02:11:28.039 if only that were possible. Has there been ever been 2776 02:11:28.159 --> 02:11:31.319 actors who had some sort of controversy and their movie career. 2777 02:11:31.560 --> 02:11:33.600 Kevin Spacey be a big one, obviously, wouldn't he, And 2778 02:11:33.640 --> 02:11:34.680 it's just their career just. 2779 02:11:34.640 --> 02:11:37.880 Died pretty much. Yeah, there are people they mentioned later 2780 02:11:37.880 --> 02:11:40.079 in this episode. It's like they mentioned Hugh Grant and 2781 02:11:40.159 --> 02:11:41.199 Rob Low of course. 2782 02:11:41.239 --> 02:11:43.359 Yeah, those sick freaks, those sick freaks, but I mean, 2783 02:11:43.600 --> 02:11:46.520 but they make comebacks, oh definitely. So their things was 2784 02:11:46.560 --> 02:11:48.399 just they're being young where. 2785 02:11:48.680 --> 02:11:50.359 And Hugh Grant, you know, Hugh Grant was like there 2786 02:11:50.439 --> 02:11:54.039 was a prostitute, right yeah, getting a BJ from a 2787 02:11:54.079 --> 02:11:57.359 sex worker and he played it perfectly. 2788 02:11:57.399 --> 02:11:58.560 Who among us, right, yeah? 2789 02:11:58.600 --> 02:12:03.600 Exactly? Who would say not to know that, Elizabeth Early, 2790 02:12:03.680 --> 02:12:04.840 I'm going down sunset all of that. 2791 02:12:05.199 --> 02:12:06.880 It was a Jay Lender that said, what were you thinking? 2792 02:12:06.960 --> 02:12:08.680 It's great? Yeah, that's and That's what I'm about to say. 2793 02:12:08.760 --> 02:12:11.000 Yeah did he Yeah, played it just right. He sort 2794 02:12:11.039 --> 02:12:12.920 of not faced the head on, but he did. He 2795 02:12:12.960 --> 02:12:14.520 weaponized the Hugh Grant charms. 2796 02:12:15.000 --> 02:12:16.000 I don't know what it was he. 2797 02:12:16.000 --> 02:12:17.760 Didn even say anything, what were you thinking? 2798 02:12:17.760 --> 02:12:23.399 You're just like, oh goodness me, what a blunder. So, yeah, 2799 02:12:23.520 --> 02:12:25.960 Space is probably the one. And even he's sort of 2800 02:12:26.000 --> 02:12:29.520 made a few, he's made a few very sort of 2801 02:12:29.600 --> 02:12:32.039 cheap movies in the in the interim. 2802 02:12:31.680 --> 02:12:34.119 Well, he tried various sort of not comebacks, but tried 2803 02:12:34.159 --> 02:12:35.960 to sort of put himself back in the spotlight and 2804 02:12:35.960 --> 02:12:38.239 they were just terrible. Well he keeps trying it as well, 2805 02:12:38.279 --> 02:12:40.800 trying as the House of Cards character, and you're like, no, yeah. 2806 02:12:40.680 --> 02:12:43.319 Yeah, And he's actually he gave a recent interview where 2807 02:12:43.359 --> 02:12:46.359 he's saying, yeah, oh look, I'm broken, homeless, living in Airbnb's, 2808 02:12:46.359 --> 02:12:47.680 at which point someone said to be living in an 2809 02:12:47.720 --> 02:12:48.399 Nbnb's and not. 2810 02:12:48.439 --> 02:12:51.239 Broke, but and you also, what did you do with 2811 02:12:51.279 --> 02:12:51.920 all of your money? 2812 02:12:52.560 --> 02:12:55.239 Yeah, it's apparently really really rich. But he was also saying, 2813 02:12:56.399 --> 02:12:58.239 I've been talking with people in Hollywood and there are 2814 02:12:58.239 --> 02:12:59.920 a lot of higher level people who are saying, yeah, look, 2815 02:12:59.920 --> 02:13:02.239 we want you back in movies. It just and you say, 2816 02:13:02.279 --> 02:13:04.359 it just takes one. It's just like Monks says, you're 2817 02:13:04.399 --> 02:13:06.000 Quentin Tarantine to put me in a movie, and then 2818 02:13:06.079 --> 02:13:10.079 you know Tarantine and tilta. Yeah, oh well he didn't 2819 02:13:10.079 --> 02:13:11.840 have a controverse, but his career was just waning. Yeah, 2820 02:13:11.880 --> 02:13:15.439 pretty much. But I don't know, it just seemed like, 2821 02:13:15.720 --> 02:13:19.159 come on, guys, help help given space outs Like I 2822 02:13:19.159 --> 02:13:20.600 don't know, I think we've got people who can do 2823 02:13:20.640 --> 02:13:22.439 what you do, only better. Okay. 2824 02:13:22.840 --> 02:13:26.960 But this next scene here I really liked because it's 2825 02:13:26.960 --> 02:13:29.560 the theory of McClure's house right as it's for sale 2826 02:13:29.560 --> 02:13:32.560 by owner and it's a from an iconic movie one 2827 02:13:32.640 --> 02:13:34.039 of your Men, from Your. 2828 02:13:33.880 --> 02:13:35.880 Man, it's from Body Double. Yeah, yeah, I need you 2829 02:13:35.960 --> 02:13:38.560 love this movie. Oh yeah, yeah, what's what's it called? 2830 02:13:38.760 --> 02:13:39.680 The movie is called Body Dub. 2831 02:13:39.720 --> 02:13:40.520 They know that the house. 2832 02:13:40.800 --> 02:13:42.840 Oh it's called I want to say that the chemisphere. 2833 02:13:42.880 --> 02:13:45.319 Is that correct? That's correct? Yeah, okay. It's just a 2834 02:13:45.319 --> 02:13:48.600 great example of references that you know, you look at 2835 02:13:48.640 --> 02:13:50.239 it and as a kid, you go, that's a weird 2836 02:13:50.239 --> 02:13:53.680 looking house. But if it seems like it just it feels. 2837 02:13:53.399 --> 02:13:55.680 Like a house that McClure would design, like yeah, well, 2838 02:13:55.720 --> 02:13:58.760 like a movie star would buy. It's like, yeah, I've 2839 02:13:58.760 --> 02:14:01.039 made it, you know. Yeah, I need the house I 2840 02:14:01.079 --> 02:14:03.439 live in to sort of reflect my high opinion myself 2841 02:14:03.439 --> 02:14:04.880 in the opinion that people haven't. 2842 02:14:05.000 --> 02:14:07.359 Yeah, has a house from Buddy Double. 2843 02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:09.039 Yeah, there are a few houses in LA that I 2844 02:14:09.159 --> 02:14:10.720 kind of like that. I mean there's that one that's 2845 02:14:10.760 --> 02:14:15.000 in Tim Allen lives in Galaxy Quiest as well. I 2846 02:14:15.039 --> 02:14:17.119 don't know if it's the same house, but it's feel 2847 02:14:17.119 --> 02:14:18.239 similar to similar design. 2848 02:14:18.399 --> 02:14:25.960 Yeah, yeah, But Macartha Parker then calls him. 2849 02:14:23.800 --> 02:14:24.560 Troy, my man. 2850 02:14:24.800 --> 02:14:30.079 It's MacArthur Parker, MacArthur Parker, the agent, MacArthur Parker, my agent. 2851 02:14:30.560 --> 02:14:33.119 Just checking in, my friend. So, how's my favorite client. 2852 02:14:33.439 --> 02:14:37.199 We haven't spoken in eight years. Yes, so I saw 2853 02:14:37.239 --> 02:14:40.760 the papers today, Troy looking good. That wholesome stuff really 2854 02:14:40.800 --> 02:14:42.640 helps when I'm trying to find your work. 2855 02:14:42.880 --> 02:14:45.119 You haven't found me working twelve years. 2856 02:14:45.399 --> 02:14:47.319 Oh you Joy, Judy is work. 2857 02:14:47.439 --> 02:14:49.920 And listen, you keep getting seen in public with human 2858 02:14:50.000 --> 02:14:59.720 females and I can get you work in the entertainment industry. 2859 02:15:01.079 --> 02:15:04.960 Hello, Selma Bouvier. It's Troy McLure. You may remember me 2860 02:15:05.000 --> 02:15:07.399 from such dates as last night's dinner. 2861 02:15:08.039 --> 02:15:10.039 And we touched on this with Josh. I love how 2862 02:15:10.560 --> 02:15:12.239 just the you may remember me has just become part 2863 02:15:12.279 --> 02:15:14.920 of his everyday vernacular. Absolutely, it's just it's who he is. 2864 02:15:15.000 --> 02:15:18.039 Now, Yeah, and you saw that, you know, when someone 2865 02:15:18.119 --> 02:15:21.439 said I remember you from such films as It's like, oh, okay, 2866 02:15:21.479 --> 02:15:23.079 well at least two might have you know, they might 2867 02:15:23.119 --> 02:15:23.600 be lined. 2868 02:15:23.880 --> 02:15:24.399 That's true. 2869 02:15:24.479 --> 02:15:27.960 Yeah, but now at ugly U G L I. And 2870 02:15:28.000 --> 02:15:30.359 this is where it kicks off of Troy laughing, you know, 2871 02:15:30.760 --> 02:15:34.680 uproarsley at an anecdote. Now you tell one. 2872 02:15:36.079 --> 02:15:38.479 I can't remember when I've heard a funnier anecdote. 2873 02:15:39.600 --> 02:15:40.720 Okay, now you tell one. 2874 02:15:41.000 --> 02:15:44.560 Well, not much happens to me, but I once had 2875 02:15:44.560 --> 02:15:47.600 dinner with a movie star and it was the most 2876 02:15:47.800 --> 02:15:49.720 wonderful night of my life. 2877 02:15:50.319 --> 02:15:51.840 Really, who was it? 2878 02:15:51.920 --> 02:15:58.560 Jordan Siegel? I hear he plays the banjo. 2879 02:16:01.399 --> 02:16:03.960 Excuse me, I ordered a zema, not emphysema. 2880 02:16:04.239 --> 02:16:08.000 Please don't smoke in our restaurant. We don't serve contemporary 2881 02:16:08.039 --> 02:16:10.399 California cuisine. In your lungs. 2882 02:16:13.000 --> 02:16:16.159 Til I'm sorry, I ruined her evening. 2883 02:16:17.239 --> 02:16:26.680 I have to gone. My god, I'm such a. 2884 02:16:26.560 --> 02:16:33.479 Fool, gotta late. Yeah, I'm just saying I feel really 2885 02:16:33.520 --> 02:16:35.200 sorry for someone here because you get the impor she 2886 02:16:35.239 --> 02:16:36.719 gets the impression that he wants to be with her, 2887 02:16:36.760 --> 02:16:39.840 when really you know, he's only using for your career. 2888 02:16:39.959 --> 02:16:42.000 But I think as the night goes on and as 2889 02:16:42.040 --> 02:16:43.559 time goes on, as he said, I think he just 2890 02:16:43.600 --> 02:16:46.639 grows to actually like having her around as much as 2891 02:16:46.639 --> 02:16:50.280 he's just using her, and she's you know, she's what's 2892 02:16:50.280 --> 02:16:54.799 the term beneficial to his career? He still wants somebody around. 2893 02:16:54.959 --> 02:16:57.520 Oh yeah, I think it's like initially thinking, look, we've 2894 02:16:57.520 --> 02:16:59.399 got we've got an agreement here, we've got a good 2895 02:16:59.399 --> 02:17:00.120 thing going here. 2896 02:17:00.159 --> 02:17:01.799 Do you think he's a lonely character. 2897 02:17:02.239 --> 02:17:03.159 Oh yeah, I think so. 2898 02:17:03.840 --> 02:17:05.440 Yeah, And I think think he enjoys his own company, 2899 02:17:05.440 --> 02:17:07.000 but also I feel like he just is now enjoyed. 2900 02:17:07.639 --> 02:17:09.840 I think he's lonely, but I think he likes having 2901 02:17:09.879 --> 02:17:12.280 people around a sort of bask in his glory. 2902 02:17:12.360 --> 02:17:13.079 Yeah that's true. 2903 02:17:13.159 --> 02:17:15.440 Yeah, and remind him that he's try McClure, so he 2904 02:17:15.559 --> 02:17:17.440 needs someone quite specific. 2905 02:17:17.000 --> 02:17:19.000 But as the episode went on, it felt like someone 2906 02:17:19.120 --> 02:17:21.440 was less busting in his glory. And she's just like, 2907 02:17:21.639 --> 02:17:24.000 I just like being around you as opposed to oh 2908 02:17:24.040 --> 02:17:25.440 my god, you're Trum mc clure and it's just oh no, 2909 02:17:25.520 --> 02:17:27.959 you're just Troy. Well, it's what makes me the episode good. 2910 02:17:27.959 --> 02:17:31.280 And is that complications? Like I think she likes the 2911 02:17:31.639 --> 02:17:33.559 spoilers of war, so to speak. I think she likes 2912 02:17:33.600 --> 02:17:36.079 the big house and the attention and all that kind 2913 02:17:36.079 --> 02:17:38.520 of stuff. But yeah, you also it's like I'm in 2914 02:17:38.520 --> 02:17:42.079 a relationship. I'm with someone, you know, and it's not Yeah, 2915 02:17:42.440 --> 02:17:43.920 they're not separate from one another. 2916 02:17:44.159 --> 02:17:46.040 They're kind of they're a unit, they're a pair, they 2917 02:17:46.040 --> 02:17:46.520 are a couple. 2918 02:17:46.600 --> 02:17:49.000 Yeah, but yeah, it could be better. I'd like two. 2919 02:17:49.000 --> 02:17:51.000 When I were walking in there, He's like, that's right, boys, 2920 02:17:51.239 --> 02:17:53.000 Troy's back from the gutter, and had he brought someone 2921 02:17:53.040 --> 02:17:56.360 with him. But after that date and now the Simpsons house, 2922 02:17:56.479 --> 02:17:58.280 someone thinks that they're both jealous of her, and he 2923 02:17:58.360 --> 02:18:00.120 says that he's taken her to a special screening of 2924 02:18:00.120 --> 02:18:02.120 his latest film, which again is Muppet's Go Media from 2925 02:18:02.159 --> 02:18:04.719 nineteen seventy seven, at the Route eighteenth flea market and 2926 02:18:04.840 --> 02:18:07.639 driving as you were saying, close with Demolition on Saturday. Yes, 2927 02:18:07.799 --> 02:18:09.280 the only one's there watching the movie. It's kind of 2928 02:18:09.319 --> 02:18:11.760 sad that you know that he's just his last film 2929 02:18:11.840 --> 02:18:13.959 was also was only twenty years ago before this episode there, 2930 02:18:14.000 --> 02:18:16.319 but twenty years ago. He's sitting there by himself, and 2931 02:18:16.479 --> 02:18:18.120 but I did like the fact that he was copying 2932 02:18:18.200 --> 02:18:20.719 the dialogue from the movie, and then she was as well. 2933 02:18:20.799 --> 02:18:23.399 And then before they both kiss, he spraysed some breath 2934 02:18:23.399 --> 02:18:27.479 threshener into her mouth. We come back with a news 2935 02:18:27.479 --> 02:18:29.319 report and apparently this guy's meant to be John Tesh. 2936 02:18:29.319 --> 02:18:31.440 I don't know who John Tesh is. He was the 2937 02:18:31.440 --> 02:18:34.520 host of Entertainment Tonight. Oh, speaking of entertainment tonight, Leond Moulton, 2938 02:18:34.920 --> 02:18:36.239 a movie guy with Maltlon Davis. 2939 02:18:36.239 --> 02:18:40.239 Indeed, well, you can run that past when we record our. 2940 02:18:40.239 --> 02:18:44.360 Next to Yes episode. Yes, he can't believe you. What 2941 02:18:46.440 --> 02:18:49.000 the verdict was male fraud and Leper in the backfield. 2942 02:18:49.040 --> 02:18:50.399 And we get a clip on Leper in the backfield 2943 02:18:50.440 --> 02:18:52.799 here and they say he's got he's up for some 2944 02:18:52.879 --> 02:18:54.879 choice roles now because he's been seen with an actual 2945 02:18:54.920 --> 02:18:57.319 woman and she says, looks like you're Does he say 2946 02:18:57.319 --> 02:18:58.520 to her or she say to him, looks like you're 2947 02:18:58.520 --> 02:19:00.399 wrong when you called him a washed up DV right, 2948 02:19:00.479 --> 02:19:01.920 I think he said that to the woman. 2949 02:19:02.040 --> 02:19:02.840 Yeah. 2950 02:19:02.959 --> 02:19:05.879 Then Salma is now moving into Troy's place, and Troy 2951 02:19:05.920 --> 02:19:10.239 brings out Jubjub. He's fantastic, He's everywhere you want to be. 2952 02:19:12.520 --> 02:19:14.360 I did like the Jubjub just didn't become a forgotten 2953 02:19:14.440 --> 02:19:18.440 character because he was introduced as for a child. Yeah, 2954 02:19:18.479 --> 02:19:20.639 and he's still a part of Salema's life, which was 2955 02:19:20.719 --> 02:19:23.680 very important. He shows off the house. It's fantastic and 2956 02:19:23.719 --> 02:19:26.360 we get various posters here. So incident at noon my 2957 02:19:26.520 --> 02:19:31.440 Darling beef Eater with Dolores Montenegro and Astro heist on 2958 02:19:31.520 --> 02:19:35.040 Gemini three And as I was telling Josh, in the 2959 02:19:35.200 --> 02:19:40.159 iconic virtual Springfield game, there is redesigned posts for a Yeah, 2960 02:19:40.360 --> 02:19:42.959 then what are the one of the things he tells 2961 02:19:42.719 --> 02:19:45.559 it gubbage collection is Monday. If you want to throt 2962 02:19:45.600 --> 02:19:48.959 a box, you have to cut it up. Do you 2963 02:19:48.959 --> 02:19:50.719 do this? You the boxes to fit more stuff in 2964 02:19:50.760 --> 02:19:52.639 you're cycling. This is like a life hack that my 2965 02:19:52.680 --> 02:19:54.600 next one name only taught me like last year, because 2966 02:19:54.600 --> 02:19:56.760 he used to used to just chuck boxes in. It's 2967 02:19:56.760 --> 02:19:58.399 like they rip it up and something fit more. Like, 2968 02:19:58.520 --> 02:20:01.280 holy shit, I have I gone the first thirty four 2969 02:20:01.319 --> 02:20:02.559 years of my life not doing this. 2970 02:20:02.600 --> 02:20:03.200 It's amazing. 2971 02:20:05.719 --> 02:20:07.799 She thinks his house is ultra modern and he shows 2972 02:20:07.799 --> 02:20:09.799 her the aquarium bedroom but he's going to be sleeping 2973 02:20:09.799 --> 02:20:12.120 downstairs and the visitor center and he reminds me about 2974 02:20:12.120 --> 02:20:13.760 the Tens turns it tomorrow. It comes on at ten. 2975 02:20:14.600 --> 02:20:16.360 This show is brought to you by the four Fingure 2976 02:20:16.399 --> 02:20:19.399 discount Patreon, where you'll find over one hundred hours of 2977 02:20:19.479 --> 02:20:24.000 bonus podcasts, including exclusive Simpsons reviews and commentaries, as well 2978 02:20:24.040 --> 02:20:27.200 as exclusive episodes of Going Down to South Park, Tales 2979 02:20:27.200 --> 02:20:31.520 of Futurama, Bob's Pods, Speaking of the Hill, Talking Sifould, 2980 02:20:31.680 --> 02:20:34.360 the One about Friends, and so much more. So go 2981 02:20:34.399 --> 02:20:37.559 ahead and join the family today at patreon dot com 2982 02:20:37.559 --> 02:20:41.399 slash four fingure Discout. Then MacArthur Parker calls up about 2983 02:20:41.440 --> 02:20:43.799 the Planet of the Apes the movie or the Planet 2984 02:20:43.840 --> 02:20:46.799 as the part. He says, You're gonna be starring as 2985 02:20:46.879 --> 02:20:48.719 the human as the part who's born to play baby, 2986 02:20:48.959 --> 02:20:51.040 and we cut to stop the Planet of the Apes. 2987 02:20:51.040 --> 02:20:53.319 I want to get off, which is just one of 2988 02:20:53.360 --> 02:20:55.319 the most iconic Simpsons bits of all time. I think 2989 02:20:55.520 --> 02:20:57.879 it's really really good. Yeah, we went really in depth 2990 02:20:57.920 --> 02:20:59.319 with Josh, but just even the story of how they 2991 02:20:59.319 --> 02:21:01.559 made it come together. It was like one line that 2992 02:21:01.879 --> 02:21:05.040 I think was David Merkan or Davis Cohen Chimpanee Chimpanzee 2993 02:21:05.079 --> 02:21:06.760 was straight. It was like, Okay, we have to make 2994 02:21:06.799 --> 02:21:07.239 this way there. 2995 02:21:07.239 --> 02:21:08.799 You build it around that absolutely, Yeah. 2996 02:21:08.840 --> 02:21:11.000 Yeah, but if you can think of that, that's the 2997 02:21:11.000 --> 02:21:13.120 core of this. Yeah. And just as you were saying, 2998 02:21:13.159 --> 02:21:14.840 I thought it was a great comment by you as 2999 02:21:14.879 --> 02:21:17.520 well with Josh, how you're saying these gags felt like 3000 02:21:17.559 --> 02:21:20.280 they were already out there, you just have to pick them, yeah, said. 3001 02:21:20.360 --> 02:21:23.000 And it's just like the doctor zais rhyming with Amadaeus. 3002 02:21:24.559 --> 02:21:25.719 It's like, how nobody thought this. 3003 02:21:27.879 --> 02:21:29.319 Look at this beautiful low hanging fruit. 3004 02:21:30.079 --> 02:21:31.840 It must be so exciting when he caught something so 3005 02:21:32.040 --> 02:21:35.200 clever and so obvious, but it's never been done before. 3006 02:21:35.200 --> 02:21:36.120 You're ship. 3007 02:21:40.600 --> 02:21:48.360 I hate every eight by se from Jimpane to Chimpanzee. No, 3008 02:21:48.719 --> 02:21:53.120 you'll never make a monkey out of me. 3009 02:21:56.000 --> 02:22:02.239 Oh my god, I was wrong all along. 3010 02:22:03.360 --> 02:22:06.239 You finally made a monkey. 3011 02:22:07.040 --> 02:22:09.760 Yes, finally made monkey. 3012 02:22:10.200 --> 02:22:31.479 Yes, you finally made. 3013 02:22:24.799 --> 02:22:34.319 I love you, doctor Sam, thank you. It's great to 3014 02:22:34.360 --> 02:22:36.959 be back. I just want to say I wouldn't be 3015 02:22:37.000 --> 02:22:39.520 here without the support of a very special lady, my 3016 02:22:39.639 --> 02:22:46.920 always outrageous fiance, Salma. Take about sugar Beet, about it run? 3017 02:22:48.239 --> 02:22:49.440 What is your favorite part about it? 3018 02:22:49.479 --> 02:22:49.639 All? 3019 02:22:49.959 --> 02:22:54.200 The whole thing? I love the Oh, it's probably not 3020 02:22:54.280 --> 02:22:57.479 to play the piano. That's great, that is fantastic. 3021 02:22:57.520 --> 02:23:00.280 Just think, I said to Josh, I love how it 3022 02:23:00.360 --> 02:23:01.520 closes out on Jose. 3023 02:23:01.520 --> 02:23:06.760 I love you doctor, which is yeah, broad which you 3024 02:23:06.879 --> 02:23:07.879 need You need. 3025 02:23:07.719 --> 02:23:09.280 To either close the first aid or just close the 3026 02:23:09.280 --> 02:23:12.479 show with someone just declaring something. It's like it doesn't 3027 02:23:12.479 --> 02:23:13.399 really mean anything. 3028 02:23:13.959 --> 02:23:16.200 But the down in front is also fantastic coming up, isn't it? 3029 02:23:16.239 --> 02:23:16.879 Oh my god? 3030 02:23:17.000 --> 02:23:20.360 Thanks, he's beautiful fiance. He's always outrageous fiance. 3031 02:23:24.799 --> 02:23:26.399 I love Dram mclue, but he's a douche. 3032 02:23:27.959 --> 02:23:30.319 Down in front is just like the permanent. But isn't 3033 02:23:30.319 --> 02:23:37.280 it well, omer can't be happy for it? But also 3034 02:23:37.639 --> 02:23:40.719 the acting here too, I feel Phil Hartmon genuinely sounds 3035 02:23:40.719 --> 02:23:42.879 like he's exhausted. I like to think like he's jogged 3036 02:23:42.879 --> 02:23:45.319 on the spot fly just before doing this spiel. This 3037 02:23:45.399 --> 02:23:46.079 sounds exhausting. 3038 02:23:46.159 --> 02:23:46.680 It's great. 3039 02:23:46.799 --> 02:23:48.399 But now back at Troy's place and the kids are 3040 02:23:48.399 --> 02:23:50.639 now playing in the pool. My face paid for that 3041 02:23:50.639 --> 02:23:52.520 pool and my talent filled it with water. Hi, I'm 3042 02:23:52.559 --> 02:23:55.879 Troy McClure, your future uncle, and Lisa remembers him from 3043 02:23:55.879 --> 02:23:58.239 such film strips as Locker Room Tower Fight, The Blinding 3044 02:23:58.280 --> 02:24:03.319 of Larry, it's great. Should you describe to explain what 3045 02:24:03.360 --> 02:24:03.680 that is? 3046 02:24:04.159 --> 02:24:07.319 Well, yeah, I guess it doesn't really happen in school anymore, 3047 02:24:07.360 --> 02:24:08.840 maybe even when you were at school. 3048 02:24:08.840 --> 02:24:10.079 But I mean you get in trouble if you did it. 3049 02:24:10.159 --> 02:24:13.639 Yeah, oh yeah when you just yeah, you'd have a tower, 3050 02:24:14.680 --> 02:24:16.319 you'd be able to fashion your towel and do a whip. 3051 02:24:16.399 --> 02:24:18.639 Yeah, and you'd just whip someone on the butt. Don't 3052 02:24:18.680 --> 02:24:20.079 chase me a full chocolate, don't make me run a 3053 02:24:20.079 --> 02:24:21.799 full kid's got bosoms. 3054 02:24:23.159 --> 02:24:25.079 Yeah, if you really want to go hardcore, you used 3055 02:24:25.120 --> 02:24:25.719 a wet towel. 3056 02:24:25.799 --> 02:24:28.840 Yeah, wet towels were insane. Oh no, it's a lethal weapon, 3057 02:24:28.920 --> 02:24:31.239 it is. But some are in Margin they're just chatting. 3058 02:24:31.520 --> 02:24:33.959 I liked hear the designs and Margins wearing a much 3059 02:24:33.959 --> 02:24:38.280 more plain just Kmart swimsuit and an Ancho swimsuit where 3060 02:24:38.920 --> 02:24:42.280 someone was wearing this very movie stars it up. Yeah. Yeah, 3061 02:24:42.399 --> 02:24:44.159 And as girls, we dream always dream of having the 3062 02:24:44.200 --> 02:24:46.000 idea of husband who knew it would come true for 3063 02:24:46.040 --> 02:24:49.040 one of us. Guess which one seldom? 3064 02:24:51.719 --> 02:24:54.000 Yeah, it's not a heel turned by someone, but she's 3065 02:24:54.000 --> 02:24:56.840 starting to sort of buy into the whole Hollywood. Yeah, 3066 02:24:56.920 --> 02:24:59.159 the whole show biz myth and yeah, the fact that 3067 02:24:59.600 --> 02:25:02.719 do you think it makes it better? Her proximity to 3068 02:25:02.760 --> 02:25:04.239 fame makes her better than everybody else. 3069 02:25:04.319 --> 02:25:08.079 Yeah, there's actually a deleted scene which makes this next 3070 02:25:08.079 --> 02:25:10.239 scene make more sense. So we're at Most and Homer 3071 02:25:10.280 --> 02:25:13.239 and Troy just randomly they're getting drunk together. What that 3072 02:25:13.360 --> 02:25:15.120 was was actually a bit of a subplot here where 3073 02:25:15.200 --> 02:25:18.360 Marge asked Homer to take to organize Troy's bachelor party. 3074 02:25:18.399 --> 02:25:21.559 Oh okay, and thats all the the bachelor party was 3075 02:25:21.639 --> 02:25:24.000 at MOS. So that's why that at Most it's the 3076 02:25:24.079 --> 02:25:25.840 end of the bachelor party. Because I've always sort of thought, 3077 02:25:26.079 --> 02:25:28.399 why is Troy having to be with Homer there doesn't 3078 02:25:28.399 --> 02:25:30.920 really talk. Maybe you'd like to sort of create the 3079 02:25:30.920 --> 02:25:32.600 idea in here, maybe someone said go hang out with 3080 02:25:32.639 --> 02:25:35.280 Homer or that kind of thing. But that's why because 3081 02:25:35.319 --> 02:25:37.399 there was deleted story, deleted scene. He wat your deleted 3082 02:25:37.399 --> 02:25:40.360 scenes on the DVD where Marge says organize the bachelor 3083 02:25:40.399 --> 02:25:42.719 party and it's with the Pooh and whatnot. At at 3084 02:25:42.719 --> 02:25:48.239 Most interesting discussion us discussing here potential film ideas. There's 3085 02:25:48.239 --> 02:25:52.120 already a lot of films on World War Two, nuts 3086 02:25:52.280 --> 02:25:55.520 a little bit Dracula. Then he says, you know what, 3087 02:25:55.520 --> 02:25:57.360 you'll be a four star brother in law. And then 3088 02:25:57.399 --> 02:25:58.799 Homer says, why are you even marrying someone? 3089 02:25:58.840 --> 02:25:59.159 Like, what's that? 3090 02:25:59.200 --> 02:26:01.440 What's the deal? He reveals his secret and he whispers 3091 02:26:01.479 --> 02:26:03.680 in his ear, and Homer's immediately that's why it's a 3092 02:26:03.719 --> 02:26:06.159 great home, because even home is like, I need to 3093 02:26:06.200 --> 02:26:08.559 do something about this. As much as somewhere annoys me, 3094 02:26:09.200 --> 02:26:11.399 I can't let her go through with this. So the 3095 02:26:11.479 --> 02:26:14.600 wedding is now at the Botanical Gardens. Lady told you, yes, 3096 02:26:14.680 --> 02:26:17.200 just wants to get married to the guy. Lovejoy then 3097 02:26:17.239 --> 02:26:19.959 asked if anyone knows why these two shouldn't be married, 3098 02:26:20.040 --> 02:26:21.680 and a customer Homer singing, what in his head? 3099 02:26:22.799 --> 02:26:22.959 Is it? 3100 02:26:23.000 --> 02:26:23.559 Rock and wrong? 3101 02:26:23.719 --> 02:26:29.200 Yeah? Interesting that an episode about a canceled movie star 3102 02:26:29.239 --> 02:26:31.360 would have a music to you buy a canceled rock star? 3103 02:26:31.559 --> 02:26:34.399 Yeah? Was he canceled by this point though? Gary Glitter? 3104 02:26:34.719 --> 02:26:36.040 I don't know if it was by this day. 3105 02:26:36.159 --> 02:26:38.920 But look, if I don't know about Gary Glitter, google 3106 02:26:38.920 --> 02:26:39.920 Gary Glitter. 3107 02:26:39.680 --> 02:26:41.479 And that that song was. That song is now known 3108 02:26:41.479 --> 02:26:42.760 for the Joker going down the stairs. 3109 02:26:42.879 --> 02:26:46.959 It is. It's a great song, fucking banger. 3110 02:26:51.040 --> 02:26:54.239 It's so good. She kisses Troy so going for the kiss, 3111 02:26:54.319 --> 02:26:56.079 and Troy turns his head, kiss on the cheek, not 3112 02:26:56.120 --> 02:26:58.239 on the mouth, on the cheek, and she says this 3113 02:26:58.319 --> 02:26:59.879 is the best day of her life. He says it 3114 02:27:00.000 --> 02:27:01.559 good for him too, because he's gonna be in the 3115 02:27:01.559 --> 02:27:03.639 front page of every news stand in the country. And 3116 02:27:03.680 --> 02:27:06.000 then that night at home and Margin's in bed and 3117 02:27:06.040 --> 02:27:08.239 Hammer walks and he shows he swiped the candy brightening 3118 02:27:08.280 --> 02:27:10.920 room from the from the wedding cake that eats them 3119 02:27:11.200 --> 02:27:13.840 and realize that they are not candy pointy, and Marge 3120 02:27:13.840 --> 02:27:17.479 says she's never seen Selma happier, and Homer reveals that 3121 02:27:17.479 --> 02:27:19.760 it's just a sham though, But enough talk. Let's struggle, 3122 02:27:21.799 --> 02:27:24.120 and she doesn't want too turns off the lights by 3123 02:27:24.159 --> 02:27:26.200 closing your eyes and trying to get to sleep. That's 3124 02:27:26.440 --> 02:27:28.200 they always do the gag in The Simpsons. Does any 3125 02:27:28.200 --> 02:27:30.559 other show do that? Whether you see their eyes at night? 3126 02:27:30.959 --> 02:27:34.360 Not that I'm aware, it makes absolutely no logisical sense 3127 02:27:35.000 --> 02:27:36.879 go with it. Of course he was animated, I guess. 3128 02:27:36.920 --> 02:27:39.280 But we come back from commercial. I'm now at the 3129 02:27:39.319 --> 02:27:42.239 Aphrodity Inn. Welcome mister and missus. Troy McClure as well 3130 02:27:42.280 --> 02:27:43.479 as Share and contest winner. 3131 02:27:45.040 --> 02:27:46.079 This better be important. 3132 02:27:46.120 --> 02:27:46.959 It's my wedding night. 3133 02:27:47.159 --> 02:27:48.120 I'm trying to sleep. 3134 02:27:48.319 --> 02:27:51.000 Hey, sleeper is for Hasban's my friend, and you're about 3135 02:27:51.040 --> 02:27:54.000 to have a very crowded schedule. This marriage scam is 3136 02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:55.840 his panoff big time phone for you. 3137 02:27:56.360 --> 02:27:59.559 Damn try, darling, come to bed. 3138 02:28:00.120 --> 02:28:02.440 I want to see the Troy McClure I remember from 3139 02:28:02.520 --> 02:28:07.520 such films as Makeout, King of Montana and The Electric Jigglow. 3140 02:28:09.600 --> 02:28:11.040 Yeah in a minute, darling. 3141 02:28:12.079 --> 02:28:14.159 Oh, she may be helping my career, but she's starting 3142 02:28:14.159 --> 02:28:15.399 to cramp my style. 3143 02:28:15.760 --> 02:28:18.760 Oh who cares? The offers are rolling in Paramount Wants. 3144 02:28:18.760 --> 02:28:21.479 You're for a buddy comedy with Roblow and Hugh. 3145 02:28:21.280 --> 02:28:23.200 Grant, those sick freaks. 3146 02:28:23.600 --> 02:28:24.719 Okay, then get this. 3147 02:28:25.000 --> 02:28:27.639 I think they want you to play McBain's sidekick in 3148 02:28:28.440 --> 02:28:30.559 em Brace Yourself, the new McBain. 3149 02:28:30.239 --> 02:28:32.120 Movie, McBain's sidekick. 3150 02:28:32.239 --> 02:28:35.600 God, damn, I'm going to see world. 3151 02:28:36.079 --> 02:28:39.399 So Roblo was a thracome with prostitutes, was at all young. 3152 02:28:39.600 --> 02:28:41.639 He was at like a political convention. I think somewhere 3153 02:28:41.639 --> 02:28:45.440 in like I've forgot an exactly whyeah, but I think 3154 02:28:45.479 --> 02:28:46.879 one of the girls was like underage. 3155 02:28:47.040 --> 02:28:48.000 Oh, that's trouble. 3156 02:28:48.319 --> 02:28:49.959 She was like sixteen or seventeen or something. 3157 02:28:50.159 --> 02:28:53.920 Not good, but a movie with Phil Hartman that sort 3158 02:28:53.920 --> 02:28:56.280 of feel I'm with Trump called Roblow and I want 3159 02:28:56.280 --> 02:28:56.760 to see the movie. 3160 02:28:56.840 --> 02:28:57.600 Of course you will. Yes. 3161 02:28:57.920 --> 02:29:00.440 Then Marge and Patty try to break the news too, smer. 3162 02:29:01.159 --> 02:29:03.520 They say he's wrong for her. They're trying to break 3163 02:29:03.559 --> 02:29:05.879 the news without actually telling her that it's an actual sham. 3164 02:29:05.959 --> 02:29:08.399 You've got the case of the Green Eyed Gazongas. And 3165 02:29:08.440 --> 02:29:10.760 then she calls out Patty's job and Marge's being stuck 3166 02:29:10.799 --> 02:29:12.520 with Homer and Marge just like, you know what, fuck it, 3167 02:29:12.559 --> 02:29:13.440 I'm just going to tell you. 3168 02:29:13.360 --> 02:29:15.959 Well, referring to her as a man who'd had to 3169 02:29:16.000 --> 02:29:18.319 bathe to be a slob. Yeah, fantastic, it is. 3170 02:29:18.399 --> 02:29:20.440 Yes, much is shedding up, and he just blurts out 3171 02:29:20.440 --> 02:29:21.879 de Troy doesn't love her, and he's just using her 3172 02:29:21.879 --> 02:29:23.959 to revive his career. And it's almost like at the 3173 02:29:24.000 --> 02:29:27.360 moment he was someone's like realizes, oh that's true, isn't it. Yeah, 3174 02:29:27.399 --> 02:29:28.760 but she has to go confirm it anyway. 3175 02:29:28.840 --> 02:29:30.920 She's suppressed that information. 3176 02:29:31.079 --> 02:29:31.280 Yeah. 3177 02:29:31.280 --> 02:29:31.479 Sure. 3178 02:29:31.639 --> 02:29:35.159 Troy's then at home reading the newspaper, mccluere ankle's obscurity 3179 02:29:35.639 --> 02:29:38.000 and I love the pools the paper down, is this 3180 02:29:38.000 --> 02:29:40.440 a sham? Marriage's right there? Sure, baby's had a Probably 3181 02:29:41.879 --> 02:29:44.280 ankles means cuts it off at the ankles. 3182 02:29:44.360 --> 02:29:48.600 No, no, it means it means exits. Okay, yeah, apparently it. 3183 02:29:48.639 --> 02:29:50.239 Was a I thought like he cuts his obscurity for 3184 02:29:50.280 --> 02:29:52.159 the ankles, which means he's like, yeah. 3185 02:29:52.040 --> 02:29:56.399 Yeah, the showbiz trade publication variety. I think he had 3186 02:29:56.479 --> 02:29:58.680 its own own lingo for a lot of things. But yeah, 3187 02:29:58.680 --> 02:30:01.120 ankles was one of the terms that they ankles. Okay, 3188 02:30:01.719 --> 02:30:04.600 but it justifies it because they have fun. She's happy, 3189 02:30:04.680 --> 02:30:07.200 she's got money, job, job, has his own big hot 3190 02:30:07.239 --> 02:30:09.079 flat rock, you know, his love and life. 3191 02:30:08.920 --> 02:30:10.639 At the moment. And then she says, but don't you 3192 02:30:10.680 --> 02:30:12.200 love me, and he's like, of course do, Like I 3193 02:30:12.239 --> 02:30:17.159 love Fresco. The difference is, we know our marriage is 3194 02:30:17.200 --> 02:30:19.440 a sham. I love that line. There's plenty of marriages 3195 02:30:19.440 --> 02:30:21.760 are at least we know ours is a sham. And 3196 02:30:21.760 --> 02:30:22.879 then she asks are you gay? 3197 02:30:23.000 --> 02:30:23.559 I wish? 3198 02:30:24.879 --> 02:30:27.440 And then he starts detailing his romantic abnormality which must 3199 02:30:27.440 --> 02:30:29.719 be hidden from public at all costs. And you don't 3200 02:30:29.719 --> 02:30:31.360 want to hear that. No if you're Selma, no, no, 3201 02:30:31.440 --> 02:30:33.360 just keep that to yourself. But she doesn't think she 3202 02:30:33.399 --> 02:30:36.040 can do it. And then he says, smile for the camera. 3203 02:30:36.079 --> 02:30:38.600 You just smile for the camera and enjoyed Troy's wild Ride. 3204 02:30:38.959 --> 02:30:40.920 You go to the right parties, meet the right people. 3205 02:30:41.280 --> 02:30:42.639 Sure you'll be a sham wife, but you be the 3206 02:30:42.719 --> 02:30:45.000 envy of every other person in town. Wife in town. 3207 02:30:45.239 --> 02:30:47.239 And then she says, tell me again about Troy's Wild Rider. 3208 02:30:47.239 --> 02:30:49.319 And she's like, you know what, I can actually probably. 3209 02:30:49.000 --> 02:30:51.159 Do this, and I'm sure there are many people who. 3210 02:30:51.120 --> 02:30:54.360 Have as a compromise because she does want love. Oh yeah, yeah, 3211 02:30:54.479 --> 02:30:57.120 but that's like, yeah, you know, I'm getting all the 3212 02:30:57.200 --> 02:30:59.600 other good stuff as well. You know what, I feel 3213 02:30:59.600 --> 02:31:00.959 like Troy the kind of guy would be like, you know, 3214 02:31:01.079 --> 02:31:03.639 go find somebody else on the side. It wouldn't care. Yes, 3215 02:31:04.120 --> 02:31:07.799 the best of both worlds. Then they replaced Buster Keaton's 3216 02:31:07.799 --> 02:31:10.959 star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame with Troy's and 3217 02:31:11.000 --> 02:31:12.680 he says, one day someone's going to have one too, 3218 02:31:12.879 --> 02:31:14.520 And then we get another news report on me baying 3219 02:31:14.559 --> 02:31:17.479 for fatal discharge. MacArthur says, now you need a family, 3220 02:31:17.600 --> 02:31:19.079 because you know you're in the running, but you're gonna 3221 02:31:19.079 --> 02:31:20.920 need a family because you and the wife you're gonna 3222 02:31:20.920 --> 02:31:22.719 have a baby, a baby. Ay, what do I do. 3223 02:31:23.600 --> 02:31:27.440 I'll send over a pamphlet. I'll send over a pamplet. Basically, 3224 02:31:27.879 --> 02:31:30.360 it'll be the kind of publicity you can't buy. You 3225 02:31:30.399 --> 02:31:32.680 can't use baby names like Montana, Dakota or Florida has 3226 02:31:32.680 --> 02:31:36.959 already taken and it's just Oregon. Pacific's very hard like 3227 02:31:38.920 --> 02:31:41.760 then ugly once again, and he tells Somemer that he 3228 02:31:41.799 --> 02:31:44.120 wants to have a baby, and you know, I can 3229 02:31:44.120 --> 02:31:47.719 get my own fragrance smelling of Troy, and he says 3230 02:31:47.719 --> 02:31:49.520 her last, this could be her last. Oh. She says, 3231 02:31:49.520 --> 02:31:50.879 this could be my last chance to be a mummy. 3232 02:31:50.879 --> 02:31:53.520 It's almost like she's compromised. She's like, Ah, I don't know. 3233 02:31:53.639 --> 02:31:54.840 I want to have a baby, but do want to 3234 02:31:54.840 --> 02:31:56.799 have it with this guy here? And then the waiters 3235 02:31:56.840 --> 02:31:59.360 now offering her a cigarette, and he said, this is 3236 02:31:59.360 --> 02:32:01.399 the line we'll discuss with Josh that someone wanted to 3237 02:32:01.399 --> 02:32:03.879 cut out from now on. She's smoking for two which 3238 02:32:03.920 --> 02:32:07.479 is brutal but funny. Someone and Troy then do their 3239 02:32:07.520 --> 02:32:09.479 best to get into the mood and it's just not happening. 3240 02:32:09.520 --> 02:32:13.799 Would you like some wine? Yes, and to come over here? 3241 02:32:14.000 --> 02:32:17.040 But you come over here, make yourself comfortable, and it's 3242 02:32:17.040 --> 02:32:18.479 just not going to happen here. She says, you having 3243 02:32:18.479 --> 02:32:20.239 a baby shouldn't be work. It's supposed to be expression 3244 02:32:20.280 --> 02:32:22.239 of the love that we have for each other. And 3245 02:32:22.280 --> 02:32:23.760 she just says, no, what, I just can't bring a 3246 02:32:23.799 --> 02:32:26.479 child into a loveless marriage. And I think that's the 3247 02:32:26.520 --> 02:32:29.000 Simpsons in a nutshell. What differs it from other shows 3248 02:32:29.040 --> 02:32:31.600 where this character here feels like a real person. 3249 02:32:31.639 --> 02:32:31.719 Oh? 3250 02:32:31.799 --> 02:32:33.639 Absolutely, there is so much depth to sell. We here 3251 02:32:33.639 --> 02:32:35.920 where you go? And she's like, I can do the marriage, 3252 02:32:35.959 --> 02:32:37.680 but I can't bring a child here. It's just not 3253 02:32:37.719 --> 02:32:40.440 going to happen. And Troy says, look, we'll just adopt. 3254 02:32:40.520 --> 02:32:42.680 I'll call my agent, he'll find some child who's in 3255 02:32:42.719 --> 02:32:46.719 on the deal. But she just says goodbye. I think 3256 02:32:46.719 --> 02:32:48.799 she maye kissed them on the chee. I'm not too sure. Sure. 3257 02:32:48.799 --> 02:32:50.920 Always remember him, but not from his films, which is 3258 02:32:50.959 --> 02:32:52.760 a great partying line. 3259 02:32:53.120 --> 02:32:54.600 This is such a well written episode. 3260 02:32:54.920 --> 02:32:58.040 Just the ending that absolutely sticked this landing. Yeah, and 3261 02:32:58.079 --> 02:33:00.840 he sadly watches her walk away with job as I 3262 02:33:00.879 --> 02:33:02.959 was saying with Josh and yourself that he's not only 3263 02:33:02.959 --> 02:33:04.959 watching her walk away, he's watching his career walk away 3264 02:33:04.959 --> 02:33:07.639 with it. Because without that baby, without that, that's true, he's. 3265 02:33:07.440 --> 02:33:09.200 Built a little bit of momentum. Though, I mean, you 3266 02:33:09.239 --> 02:33:11.760 get this not really a happy ending, but I mean 3267 02:33:12.239 --> 02:33:14.879 chronic clau is not going anywhere. Well, that sadly is, 3268 02:33:14.959 --> 02:33:17.959 but yeah, he's riding a little bit of a crest 3269 02:33:18.000 --> 02:33:19.520 of the wave, and you know he may not be 3270 02:33:19.559 --> 02:33:21.639 and it well decides not to be in McBain for 3271 02:33:21.799 --> 02:33:25.360 fatal discharge. Instead, he does his own passion project. 3272 02:33:24.959 --> 02:33:27.200 Makes a bad philt. MacArthur Parker did not want this 3273 02:33:27.239 --> 02:33:32.399 decision to happen. The contrabulous fab traption of Professor Horatio 3274 02:33:32.399 --> 02:33:37.040 Fuffnagel pull this gable payoff. Twentieth Centry Fox says it. 3275 02:33:37.120 --> 02:33:42.440 Will loved it. I've got nothing more is I own 3276 02:33:42.520 --> 02:33:42.719 love it? 3277 02:33:42.840 --> 02:33:44.879 Yes, And that is the end of a fish Caught Summer. 3278 02:33:44.920 --> 02:33:47.760 Just an absolutely just It's just I think it's one 3279 02:33:47.799 --> 02:33:49.879 of my favorite episodes now. I think being a kid, 3280 02:33:49.920 --> 02:33:52.399 I never really liked this one. I think being a 3281 02:33:52.399 --> 02:33:55.040 bit older, a few miles in the meter, being married, 3282 02:33:55.120 --> 02:33:58.120 you know, experiencing your actual genuine love and I just think, 3283 02:33:59.040 --> 02:34:01.719 I don't know, maybe it's just the u the fact 3284 02:34:01.719 --> 02:34:03.280 that I love it, that we've got it before Phil 3285 02:34:03.280 --> 02:34:05.799 Hammont passed away as well, that that part of as well. 3286 02:34:05.799 --> 02:34:07.719 But there's just so many gags in this. 3287 02:34:08.399 --> 02:34:10.680 There's a lots and I'm only so much like about it. 3288 02:34:10.719 --> 02:34:12.959 I mean, yeah, it's just got, as you said, one 3289 02:34:12.959 --> 02:34:14.680 of the great set pieces and stop the plan of 3290 02:34:14.680 --> 02:34:15.559 the apes I want to get off. 3291 02:34:15.600 --> 02:34:17.760 It's yeah, which is just like out of nowhere. 3292 02:34:17.840 --> 02:34:21.159 Yeah, it's a fantastic showcase for Phil Hartman and his 3293 02:34:21.239 --> 02:34:24.239 talents and his skill set. It's funny from go to woe. 3294 02:34:24.719 --> 02:34:29.760 It's really really tightly constructed, and yeah, it's it's emotionally 3295 02:34:29.799 --> 02:34:32.239 mature and not in a way that feels kind of 3296 02:34:33.680 --> 02:34:36.239 oh now it's slathering on the sentiment. No, just it 3297 02:34:36.239 --> 02:34:38.600 does it almost stealthily. 3298 02:34:39.360 --> 02:34:41.159 Yes, We'll hope you guys enjoyed our review of a 3299 02:34:41.200 --> 02:34:42.799 Fish Court Someone. Hope you enjoyed our chat with Josh 3300 02:34:42.879 --> 02:34:44.440 Weinstein as well. We're going to be getting back on 3301 02:34:44.479 --> 02:34:46.760 the show next year. Hopefully maybe we can do Bartvia's 3302 02:34:46.799 --> 02:34:48.520 Australia with Bill locally. I think having them both at 3303 02:34:48.520 --> 02:34:50.159 the same time and just be like seeing them just 3304 02:34:50.239 --> 02:34:52.079 banter with ideas and stories would be great. 3305 02:34:52.440 --> 02:34:56.200 We wouldn't have to talk much at all. Let's just 3306 02:34:56.239 --> 02:34:57.840 hope that they start their own since this podcast because 3307 02:34:57.840 --> 02:34:58.440 they were in trouble. 3308 02:34:58.799 --> 02:35:01.120 Oh man, oh me, don't do it. Don't do it. 3309 02:35:01.120 --> 02:35:03.040 But what you should be doing, guys out there listening 3310 02:35:03.120 --> 02:35:05.319 is supporting us on Patreon. If you enjoyed the show, 3311 02:35:05.399 --> 02:35:06.959 you can support us for as little as just one 3312 02:35:07.040 --> 02:35:08.959 dollar per month. That's right, just one dollar per month. 3313 02:35:09.360 --> 02:35:10.760 You can suppor us on Patreon. 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