WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.120 This is Jackson Wang and you're checking out the Crucial podcast. 2 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:05.679 Make sure to subscribe, like and share. Oh my god, 3 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:28.600 is that Nico Bliss. I made a past again. 4 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:30.359 I got the rosy. 5 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:41.200 You cut the juice, playing time, never caring. I didn't 6 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:50.799 even know what that means. I don't knife is great 7 00:00:51.439 --> 00:01:01.520 just sometimes you extra days trauma try got Okay, okay, 8 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:10.239 that's fris Shore you roll dress now. 9 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:32.040 Dress real Day two three, Jackson Wang back on the croch. 10 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:33.959 Thank you so much? 11 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:34.319 What what? 12 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:36.680 How long has it been? It's like five years? 13 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:39.200 Five years? Thanks for having me back, crazy man. Thank you. 14 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:44.280 We're intro by Nico Blitz there what yees intro? Really 15 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:45.680 together for you man. 16 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:52.599 Crazy intro, the remix and the shirt. Thank you man, 17 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:53.680 thank you you know what? 18 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:54.680 Thank you? 19 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:55.560 That's right? 20 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:00.000 Oh, thank you, thank you. 21 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:03.599 Thank you so much, so much. Thanks for having me back. 22 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:06.120 Love No, thanks for being here. We appreciate it always man. 23 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:08.280 You know, our doors, our studio, the show is always 24 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:08.680 open to you. 25 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:08.960 Man. 26 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:09.240 Thank you. 27 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:11.439 And do you have like an Asian show here? 28 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:12.120 No? 29 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:14.800 No, right now. So if this ship doesn't work out, 30 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:18.000 let's go like, please hire me. I think I'm good 31 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:20.280 at it to replace us, No, no, like an Asian 32 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:25.199 an Asian show. Yeah, probably. 33 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:28.039 I think I'm the only Asian on the station in Filipino. 34 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:29.840 We can do something together. 35 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:30.560 Let's do it. 36 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:34.159 Yeah, right the East the East show? Yeah, come on now, 37 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:36.199 what they're. 38 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:41.120 Saying, how high far east coast? Right? That'd be crazy? Man? 39 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:43.599 Are your songs played on the radio back home? 40 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:45.560 What songs? 41 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.719 Your songs like the recent album? Yeah? Is it out? 42 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:51.520 Is it recorded? Is this live? 43 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:56.159 It's out by now right out Friday in Storts Friday? Okay, 44 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:58.520 But it's your music played on the radio out there. 45 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:02.680 And Asia sometimes sometimes not not that often. 46 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:04.800 When it does or when it happens, is it like 47 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.080 one of those moments, right, because when artists get their 48 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:09.840 music played out here, it's a it's a movie. You 49 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:11.759 got to put it on TikTok, you got to celebrate it. 50 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:14.599 Yeah, man. Sometimes my a lot of times my music 51 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:19.120 play in shopping malls, like in pet stores. Yeah, which 52 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:21.280 is great. Hey, why are you laughing at? Why are 53 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:21.960 you laughing? Guys? 54 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:24.759 What you said? Come on now, it's why you said it. 55 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:30.879 But hey, yode therapeutic you know for yeah? Yeah? 56 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:31.159 Yeah? 57 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:32.599 And cats? 58 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:35.319 Yeah, cats, it helps you know, I think The biggest 59 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:39.360 flex is having your music played at like pet stores, malls, forever, 60 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:39.919 twenty one. 61 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:43.439 Universal, it's universe than blessed and blessed. 62 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.360 No, yes you are man, magic Man too, magic Man to. 63 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.039 The first one was in twenty twenty two, right, yes, 64 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.240 so it's it's been some time, but there's been a 65 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.120 lot of growth. You can tell in the music. The sound. 66 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:55.479 It sounds really sound. 67 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:56.599 You listen to the entire thing. 68 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:59.400 We listen to a lot of it. Yeah, sank, thank you, 69 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.159 thank you, appreciate it, thank you. Nico has the entire album. 70 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:06.479 Only Nico Asians Asians. 71 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:11.800 Man, it might be on a CD somewhere, but you 72 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:15.759 know what I mean, Oh man, damn. But the evolution 73 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:18.600 is there, right, there's growth there obviously, right, And it's 74 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:19.279 very personal. 75 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:21.920 How so one hundred percent because I took a year 76 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:25.079 off last year because I just needed to stop, you know, 77 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:28.439 after like just ten years, more than ten years, you know, 78 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:30.360 I felt like I didn't even have time to think. 79 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:30.759 You know. 80 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:32.920 It came down to a question where am I the 81 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:35.759 Jackson Wang that people know of? Or am I who 82 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:37.759 I think I am? You know, And I could even 83 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:40.120 I couldn't even answer that, so I just needed to 84 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:43.120 stop and start to give myself room, you know, give 85 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:45.639 myself time to think, like what do I want to 86 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:47.279 say as a person? And I realized a lot of 87 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:50.160 the songs in the past that I released, what does 88 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:52.199 that even mean to me as a person. For example, 89 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:55.120 there's a song called one Hundred Ways. The first line 90 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:57.199 is like you turn over the hour glass. When I 91 00:04:57.279 --> 00:04:59.680 was recording that, I didn't even know what's an hour glass, 92 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.519 you know, so I don't even know. Like so I'm like, hey, 93 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:06.240 I need to stop this. Maybe it's time for me 94 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:08.360 as an artist, you know, as a person to put 95 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:11.800 out something that, you know, writing songs for myself, creating 96 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:13.759 for myself, what do I want to say as a 97 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:14.720 as a human. 98 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:16.720 As a creative. Was it tough to take a year off, 99 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:17.560 did you? Yeah? 100 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:19.480 A lot of people around it. Yeah, a lot of 101 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:22.519 people around me told me, especially my team, they're trying 102 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:24.680 to convince me not to do it. In industry people, 103 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.160 business people, they're like, you can't, you know, you're just 104 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:29.839 going You're just going to disappear. And you know, with 105 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.040 so many information every day, with social media's and stuff, 106 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:36.199 you just gonna be forgotten. Right, But wow, Yeah, but 107 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.240 I just felt like I needed that break. I needed 108 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:43.480 that break to realize what my visions are and who 109 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:43.839 am I. 110 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:45.920 You order to yourself, it's. 111 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:48.040 Good that you stood on business with that. I was like, no, 112 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:50.399 I need this time, yeah, to rediscover myself. 113 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:52.879 It was hard. It was a hard conversation, and you know, 114 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:58.800 a lot of partners kind of like, uh left, you 115 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.160 know a lot of partners left because Yeah, but I 116 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:02.920 think I had to go through this. That's why I 117 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:05.360 took a year off, you know, started started writing journals, 118 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:09.399 started writing things that, you know, just getting closer to myself, 119 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:11.920 giving more time and effort to to my internal self, 120 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:14.160 you know. So, and I think and this album is 121 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:17.759 all about how I feel about humanity and reality. And 122 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:19.560 this is one of those albums that I feel like 123 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:22.199 as an as a as an artist, I just needed 124 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:25.319 it out there. And and after that, I can make 125 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:27.600 like ear candy stuff. I can talk about lollipops, I 126 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:30.560 can talk about whatever you know about. I can talk 127 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:34.959 about your shirt is corruption, right, I can talk about Yeah, 128 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:37.399 I can talk about anything. So I just needed this 129 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:38.279 album out there. 130 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:40.160 Yeah. I think you needed it out of your heart, 131 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:42.759 and you needed it out of your you know. 132 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:45.439 With taking like a year off and everything, is there 133 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:49.600 something new that you discovered about yourself within the past year. 134 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:54.800 Yeah, a lot, Like for example, my family. There's one 135 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:57.319 song about my parents. How I feel like, you know, 136 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:00.120 as as as a kid, we never think about like 137 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.480 we always think like our parents will figure everything out, 138 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.680 you know, They're always there. That's that's why a lot 139 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:08.240 of my friends just visit their parents only on Christmas 140 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.680 or in like New Year Chinese New Year, and and 141 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.000 we tend to always think that they're always going to 142 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:18.839 be there until it's too late. And also another thing 143 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:21.319 where I feel like our parents and us, it feels 144 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:23.199 like we're on the same street. They're just further up, 145 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:25.399 you know. And you think when we were born, we 146 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:28.720 always think like you think our parents they were ready 147 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:31.079 to be mom and dad. They weren't ready. You know, 148 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:32.920 they had dreams, they were no idea what they were 149 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:39.439 doing exactly, and they probably was was like having parties, 150 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:42.680 you know. They they they they played around, they flirted around, 151 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:45.800 you know, but when when they had us, everything changed 152 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:47.680 for them, you know. So we we tend to not 153 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:49.720 think about that a lot of times. And even in 154 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:52.639 that year, I spent a lot of decent moments. It's 155 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:55.240 quality time with my parents. That's why I chose to 156 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:59.199 also live with them in China. Now, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Good. 157 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:00.879 Yeah, that's connection right there. 158 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:01.800 Man, it's important. 159 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:04.319 I don't know if I could, I don't know if 160 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:05.399 I could live with my parents, But. 161 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:13.360 Your parents, I mean, it's it's good, uh honest, honestly, 162 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:17.160 it's good. And and sometimes it's it's those moments that 163 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:22.319 really triggers me when they slowly they start to behave 164 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:24.360 like kids. 165 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:27.639 When they when they parent, right yeah, yeah, I. 166 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:29.279 Was just telling Crews that the other day, like we're 167 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:30.839 raising our parents too now. 168 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:33.919 Yeah, And it feels it's super I feels super emotional. 169 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.600 Like it's just the way that when they especially when 170 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.399 my moms starts to be more and more like a princess, 171 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.799 like you know, girly where because I always think of 172 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:48.279 my mom like as a as a female warrior, you know. 173 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:50.639 But then the more they age, you know, the way 174 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.679 that they walk up the stairs, the way that they 175 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:55.759 you know, like and I feel like, oh this is 176 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.440 I gotta you know, protect and and and it's it's 177 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:02.080 it's my turn to give back. 178 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.080 Yeah, yeah, I see my parents now and they're very 179 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:06.720 playful with my kids. Never playful with us really, but 180 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:08.759 that's because there was no time to be they were 181 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.200 raising us. Now they have time to be playful, so 182 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:14.320 they're making up for lost time or just yeah. 183 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:17.200 Yeah, that that's on the family side. And also, like 184 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:20.080 the song Gbad, it Got to be a Dick is 185 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.720 also like you know, obviously throughout the ten years and 186 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.240 eleven years in this career, there's very good moments also 187 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:28.720 the bad moments. I wasn't ready. It felt like I 188 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:32.320 was introduced to this jungle at an age of nineteen 189 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:36.440 with I wasn't ready for it, you know, and after 190 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:39.000 going through a lot of stuff, betrayal and this, and 191 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:41.200 I just realized, you know, every single song has a 192 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:44.240 message on hey, life is so great, so beautiful, but 193 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:46.480 sometimes you really have to be a bad person, you know, 194 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:47.240 to protect your. 195 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:49.960 Own bright you have to be song with that. 196 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:53.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So every single song is straight from 197 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:53.639 my journal. 198 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:55.679 That's crazy made me a man? Can you break that 199 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:56.039 down for. 200 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:58.519 Yeah, that's the last song of the album where it's 201 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.759 whatever that ha happened. It's the conclusion of the album 202 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:03.720 whatever that Happened to good and the bad. What's good 203 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:05.840 without the bad. You know, sometimes good doesn't mean good, 204 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:08.960 bad doesn't mean bad. But whatever it was, it's meant 205 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.360 to happen. And at the end we just accept it 206 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:13.679 and move on and and and it made me who 207 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:17.240 I am today. And that's the story of that the 208 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:17.759 last song. 209 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:21.919 Yeah, as man, I think there's several moments in life 210 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.840 that make us men. Right. Of course, there's like the 211 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.639 sexual component of it, but there's also definitely definitely right, 212 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:30.600 but certainly certain levels. 213 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:42.080 No, no, no, I'm sorry, stop it. You could have 214 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:48.679 told me that, you asshole. I mean. 215 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:51.919 No, no, no, no, no, no, no no. 216 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:58.159 Delete that delete that delete. We good, it's fair, man, 217 00:10:58.279 --> 00:10:59.279 my album is ruined. 218 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:04.279 He looks at Nico like you and me later on, 219 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:04.879 we're gonna do it. 220 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.559 No, you're totally sorry. 221 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:13.240 We have a lot of fun on this show. It's uh. 222 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:15.639 They fight all day on the air, they're on the 223 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.840 same show, and they're they're engaged. They live together. You know, 224 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:20.720 it's thank you an open book here. 225 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:23.879 It's a different thing when you can work with your partner. 226 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:24.279 Yeah. 227 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:33.200 Amazing, man, I'm fucking amazing. 228 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:35.879 I love it. I love it. 229 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:36.919 Yeah. 230 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:43.200 Yeah, so the album, man, it was all so magic 231 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:47.480 Man to man to the artwork. Yeah, but the artwork, No, 232 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.039 the artwork. Honestly, you were saying this off the air 233 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:50.320 and hope you don't mind, But no, I. 234 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:52.360 Don't mind because a lot of people don't even understand. 235 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:55.200 Your fans are not understanding a part of my UH 236 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:59.639 supporters community, My fans do not understand this, Like why 237 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:01.159 do you all always have to put like, since magic 238 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:03.440 Man one, what what is the black makeup? With the 239 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.600 dark makeup, the devil makeup? You know? And and this 240 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:10.679 means magic Man means my internal self. The internal It's 241 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:12.639 just a name for that. And it's like today I 242 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:15.519 meet you, I'm I'm engaging with you, but I don't 243 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.320 know who that person is in your heart, you know. 244 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.879 So that represents magic Man, represents my internal emotions. And 245 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.279 it's a it's it's it's a thing that I kept 246 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:31.000 avoiding for you know, a long time, because I'm I 247 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:32.200 just didn't have time to think. 248 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:32.399 You know. 249 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:35.759 It's packed schedules, schedule after schedules. I didn't even have 250 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:37.559 time for myself. That's why I always say I missed 251 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:40.399 out a lot in my youth, you know. So, so 252 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:42.399 I just had to you know, deal with it. And 253 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:44.720 that's that's why I took a year off and and 254 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.519 spend time and give love and and try to understand 255 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:48.600 who who this person is? 256 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:50.399 So does that reflect a breakthrough? 257 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:53.200 It represents how I felt. I was all like, it's 258 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.000 all wound, it's all like, yeah, I mean it's it's 259 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:59.200 it's it's fucked up, you know. So that's who I 260 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:02.279 felt inside, but I just didn't want to admit it. 261 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:06.519 Since you've come to that realization of like, Okay, I've 262 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:09.320 been avoiding you know who I truly am, And like 263 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:12.840 because you've had this life of just schedule after schedule, 264 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:16.480 what do you do now that is for you that just. 265 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:19.000 Makes you happy? Now it's more like I think back 266 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:22.840 then it was just like rapid fire and like it 267 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.000 felt like machine gun, you know, But now it's more 268 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:31.559 like simplicity. But like this direction that I'm going at, 269 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:34.240 I go all the way I can focus and go 270 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:34.559 all the. 271 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:35.000 Way I have. 272 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:38.879 It's about decisions, right It's it's I have choice choices 273 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.559 right now. And I think the next route that I'm 274 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:44.519 going I'm focusing on is just being a creative. You know, 275 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:47.200 even a lot of partners and brands that I'm working with. 276 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:50.720 It's not just as an ambassador where hey, this is 277 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:53.039 the product, look at this product, look at this guess 278 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:58.279 eight Like it's not It's not just that, it's like 279 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:02.159 we have like deep relationship where I create the creatives 280 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:04.799 and I help them to shoot videos. I direct videos 281 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.679 for brands, and also recently I just joined Nike Inc. 282 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:12.279 Becoming one of their creatives for Nike and Jordan. So 283 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:17.639 I'm also like getting ready prepping for the nixt ip 284 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:20.360 that I'm going to do for them. It's immersive experience 285 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:25.559 because I think like just globally, yeah, and I think 286 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:29.759 I think it's to me, you know, this generation. I 287 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:33.519 think people consume and buy stuff not because it's like 288 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:36.799 you buy this shirt or buy this product, not because 289 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:40.039 of the fabric. It's you're buying a feeling, you know. 290 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:45.000 And I think, yeah, yeah, it's like for example, the 291 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.080 shirt or a Supreme shirt or a off white shirt. 292 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:51.240 It's the feeling that you're buying, you know. And I 293 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:55.600 think that comes with experience, the immersive experience, and that's 294 00:14:55.639 --> 00:15:05.039 what I'm focusing on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. L V. 295 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:11.399 Cardier Hennessy that we all have deep relationship, right, now 296 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:15.320 where whereas I at least, you know, the headquarters feels like, oh, 297 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:18.840 we can maximize Jackson not just for photo shoots, but 298 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:21.759 also be a part of the creative on some other projects. 299 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:23.840 And that's what I'm working on, and I feel like 300 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:27.039 that's my next next chapter for for me to really 301 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:29.600 dig deep in and and focus on. 302 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:31.480 Yeah. No, it's great that they see not just as 303 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:34.039 a face and a body, they see the creator. 304 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:38.120 That's nice too, But like what's next, what's more? Yeah, 305 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:48.080 one hundred percent the genius for real? Big fan. Yeah, 306 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:52.399 so this is brain works differently. There's a difference between 307 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:57.360 an artist and a superstar and like a super brain. 308 00:15:57.799 --> 00:15:59.120 I feel like he's a super brain. 309 00:15:59.639 --> 00:15:59.840 Yeah. 310 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.559 Yeah, it's like for real, you know, like everything that 311 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.320 you touch, whether it's fashion, whether it's music, whether it's 312 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:09.679 just you know, any product or even human race. You know, 313 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.720 like everything that they touch, it's just there's something, there's 314 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:16.519 a there's there's stepth in it. 315 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:22.320 Yeah. Crazy is that like when people question those kind 316 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:24.440 of brains, right, and it's like we don't understand. We 317 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:28.159 we have to trust their process and allow them to 318 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:29.519 take us wherever they want to go. 319 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:32.639 Yeah, a big fan. 320 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:33.679 We shouldn't question it. 321 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:35.759 Next time if they visit, please tell them there's an 322 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:45.159 Asian kid named Jackson wayang right there, Like, please teach 323 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.080 me and let me be inspired, let me absorb. 324 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:48.000 You know. 325 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:51.519 Yeah, man, I want to talk about I didn't get 326 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:53.639 the chance to hear not for me, but I do 327 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:55.879 did get the chance to read the lyrics. How what's 328 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.159 that sound like? What is the story behind that one? 329 00:16:59.799 --> 00:16:59.960 Yeah? 330 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:01.879 Yeah, I think like I was saying, you know, I was, 331 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.000 I was avoiding whoever that was inside me for a 332 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.720 long time. And you know, during the process of that, 333 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.720 I was just like I try to avoid with alcohol, 334 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.839 you know, I try to avoid with just like putting 335 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.559 more people around me, just living that lifestyle of like 336 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:24.079 very corrupted, you know. And and and during that one 337 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:26.279 year off, I realized, you know, I don't think this 338 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:28.759 this this is for me. I don't feel like this 339 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:30.680 life lifestyle is for me anymore. 340 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:35.200 That's definitely growth, though, because I feel like everybody goes 341 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:38.079 through that at some point. Whether it's just like realizing 342 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:40.559 that if you surround yourself with the right people, nothing 343 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:42.799 else matters. If you sound surround yourself with the wrong people, 344 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:43.640 nothing else matters. 345 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:48.640 Yeah, it's just super crazy during that experience where you know, verbally, 346 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:51.440 you know, it wasn't even I felt like I wasn't 347 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:54.240 even me and I was saying things. I was hurting 348 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:57.880 people too verbally and I didn't even I forgot. I 349 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:02.279 forgot what I said, you know was just uh bro 350 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:06.559 Yeah yeah and uh a time that I don't want 351 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:07.039 to revisit. 352 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:09.279 There is your buck is a vibe? 353 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:14.920 Man, Thanks man, nobody noticed. Nobody noticed, Like nobody noticed 354 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:20.720 because like, yeah, it's just it, that's what it didn't hit. Yeah, 355 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:22.680 but I loved it. I love it. 356 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:26.079 Yeah, No, that's a dope song, man. 357 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:29.720 Thank you for when you like have you know, your 358 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:32.599 team obviously having their input into the songs that you're. 359 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.440 Thank you so much. That's my new song, right, that's 360 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:40.039 my new song featuring featuring Nico. 361 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:45.880 In the interview. 362 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:49.079 When you have like your team also putting their input 363 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:51.839 on like such an emotional album like this too, how 364 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.400 hard are you finding to make sure that songs that 365 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:55.319 you want. 366 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:55.799 Are on there? 367 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.640 I mean I'm the a n R. Like my team, 368 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:02.400 I don't even have a manager. Yeah, it's only me 369 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:02.880 and Troy. 370 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:03.960 This is team Wang. 371 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:04.920 Yeah, this is team Wang. 372 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:05.319 This is it. 373 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:07.799 Yeah, I feel like that's why. You know, when you 374 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:09.960 work with a lot of artists, right, it's always like 375 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.920 there's like millions of filters in the middle, like the 376 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:15.519 management and who else, random people just coming in and 377 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.599 like you can never reach the artist. But for my deals, 378 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:23.039 like any collaborations, partnerships, you talk to me. Yeah, and 379 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.680 I feel like, yeah, I feel like that's more. It's 380 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.079 super tiring, but it is what it is because that's 381 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:28.880 how much I care. 382 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:29.440 Yeah. 383 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:33.000 Yeah, control, But at the same time, like it's just 384 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.720 more work I'm doing. I'm my own manager, you know, 385 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:39.640 Like it feels like us too, we're just like taking 386 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:42.240 on like what a company needs to do. 387 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:43.079 Yeah. 388 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:45.640 But also one other thing is we don't know who 389 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:50.079 to hire, so yeah, like we don't know, like and 390 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:53.160 the thing is, it's been like five six years already, 391 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:55.960 and I feel like I maybe I need a label now, 392 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:00.720 I need a label. I'm i'm I'm, I'm open for 393 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:04.440 the market. I'm on sale, free agent, I'm on sale. 394 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.920 Guys, so bidding more starts now? 395 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:11.079 Yes, please please please? I need help now. 396 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.039 So you would you would like to sign to a major? 397 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:16.200 Yeah, well I am with eighty Rising, but eightie rising. 398 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:19.720 It's more like it's more deep now because like I'm 399 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:22.559 also one of the creators, you know, like and and 400 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:27.519 we're doing other projects. Definitely not that shirt anymore, but yeah, 401 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:29.440