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<v Speaker 1>Well whiskey, come and take my pain the moneys all

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<v Speaker 1>ray Why why think alone when you can drink it all?

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<v Speaker 1>In with Ricochet's three Whiskey Happy Hour, join your bartenders

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Hayward, John You and the International Woman of Mystery

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<v Speaker 1>Lucretia where they slapped it up and David, ain't you busy?

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<v Speaker 1>On the show? Tap you guy it Give.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome listeners to the second episode of the new, reformulated

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<v Speaker 2>New Coke version you reimagined, preconceptualized, preconceptualized UH version of

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<v Speaker 2>a three Whiskey Happy Hour UH in our New Guys

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<v Speaker 2>as an independent podcast based on the Ricochet Network. Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how many episodes did we have under old?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I say this is episode like eight hundred or something?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm starting over again at number one, number two

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<v Speaker 1>we were up to well, I don't know, because I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're up to like five hundred and twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>power Line shows, of which it was part of. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's got to be. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>did at least one hundred and fifty shows. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing this since twenty twenty one, that's three years, and so.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like the French Revolution and when they started

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<v Speaker 2>the calendar over to the years exactly exactly word Episode two,

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<v Speaker 2>and you start from one of my co hosts, Steve Hayward,

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<v Speaker 2>and the other co hosts, the International Woman of Mystery, Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing, Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing very well, Thank you, John.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you? Where are you guys?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm actually in suburban Seattle tonight and I am

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<v Speaker 1>chilling out the end of this crazy week with some

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<v Speaker 1>dura eighteen year old single mall.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure it's quite good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, good.

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<v Speaker 2>How about you, Lucrecia, what are you drinking?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm finishing the rest of a bottle of some sand

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<v Speaker 3>you VC. I forget what the name of it is

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<v Speaker 3>from twenty sixteen, So from dinner twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>That was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's delicious. Actually it's a I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd have to go get the bottle, but I just

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<v Speaker 3>remember it's Sandy VC and it's twenty sixteen and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Doocg ah good.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's from Italy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we are once again sitting back in awe at

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<v Speaker 2>all the incredible news that's happened since our last podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think we just dive right into it

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<v Speaker 2>and start off with Steve. In this format, Unlike last

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<v Speaker 2>week's where we spent all our time on one issue

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<v Speaker 2>where I want to about immigration, now we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>spend our episode here on one issue that each of

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<v Speaker 2>us chose. We're going to talk about three different issues.

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<v Speaker 2>And Steve, the egalitarian, equality minded person that he is,

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<v Speaker 2>as you can tell bomb his latest entry on his

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<v Speaker 2>sub stack in round ten of our debate on natural law,

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to talk about the Equal Rights Amendment. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to talk about the Equal Rights Amendment. Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>what so I said, Maybe I set up for you

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<v Speaker 2>saying the news was today at the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>day that Joe Biden had declared that the Equal Right

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<v Speaker 2>Amendment had been ratified and was now added to the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time, he said he wasn't ordering the

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<v Speaker 2>Archivist of the United States to officially find that the

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<v Speaker 2>amendment was ratified, and in fact, the archivist has said

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<v Speaker 2>the amendment did not get enough votes in the time

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<v Speaker 2>period that Congress provided for the ratification of the amendment.

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<v Speaker 2>There are serious scholars like Larry Tribe, our favorite, who

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<v Speaker 2>says that Congress can't put a time limit on ratifications

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<v Speaker 2>of the amendment. All they can do is say, here's

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<v Speaker 2>the text of the amendment. They don't have just he

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<v Speaker 2>just says there's nothing in the text of the amendment

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<v Speaker 2>itself that has the time limit. It's Congress doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>any power in the Constitution to condition the amendments. That

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<v Speaker 2>throws out there, So Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, but all right, I'll just I'll start where

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<v Speaker 1>he left off. Article five, which gives the amendment procedures,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't say Congress can't put a time limit on an

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<v Speaker 1>amendment ratification period. Nor does it say, by the way

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about emanations and numbers, the famous phrase from

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties. Somehow they've discovered in there that you can

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<v Speaker 1>either have an Article five convention or ratified by three

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<v Speaker 1>quarters of the states, or if the president sends out

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<v Speaker 1>a tweet. That's not how we amend the Constitution. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, well, I mean, first of all, just mention

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<v Speaker 1>and then leave aside. You know, is Joe Biden himself

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<v Speaker 1>really behind this or is this another of his woke

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<v Speaker 1>staff and thought they could get away with him and

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<v Speaker 1>these He's like Governor Laptamine and blazing Saddles Will sign

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<v Speaker 1>anything you put in front of him. But it's really

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<v Speaker 1>quite extraordinary for several reasons. I'll try and give four

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<v Speaker 1>or five very quickly. One is, what's that great blind

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<v Speaker 1>of PJ. O'Rourke, that the mentality of the liberal is

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<v Speaker 1>the spoiled child. They want what they want, They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get it. The more sinister version is this shows

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<v Speaker 1>their will to power. They really want this. They think

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<v Speaker 1>that it guarantees abortion. I suppose third this idea, All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's suppost tribe. And by the way, let's bring in

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<v Speaker 1>our own Dean Chremerinsky, you know who has said for

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<v Speaker 1>quite a while now that the Supreme Court ought to

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<v Speaker 1>declare the electoral College and the US Senate to be unconstitutional.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because it violates one man, one vote and the

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<v Speaker 1>equal Protection clause. In other words, the Supreme Court can

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<v Speaker 1>just pick and choose and put in a hierarchy explicit,

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<v Speaker 1>black and white text of the Constitution right, which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>And my point is is Trump ought to say, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's how we're amending the Constitution. Now, I am

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<v Speaker 1>going to claire that birthright citizenship is not constitutional. He

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<v Speaker 1>could try that. He may try that anyway, or why not.

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<v Speaker 1>In my last comment, why don't we just skip straight

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<v Speaker 1>to the world of Harrison Bergeron and have Trump announced

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<v Speaker 1>not Trump, it'd be a leftist. But why don't we

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<v Speaker 1>just go straight to the two hundred and tenth, two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twelfth, and two hundred and eleventh Amendment of

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<v Speaker 1>the Constitution that Harrison Bergeron wrote. If you know the story,

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<v Speaker 1>it's what gave us the handicapper general and made us

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<v Speaker 1>all equal by four. So it's a classic. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest anti egalitarian or anti socialist short stories

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<v Speaker 1>or long stories ever written. And you know, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>really think of Vonnegut as a conservative, but it's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>a conservative piece of fiction. And it's absolutely devastating. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've not seen it or read it, it's only ten pages,

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<v Speaker 1>you should read it. John, So that those are my

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<v Speaker 1>opening remarks on this. Absolutely incredible on a day with

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<v Speaker 1>lots of incredible things happened too, but what a day.

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<v Speaker 3>There's only aial amendment that have not been that have

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<v Speaker 3>been proposed through Congress. At thousands of amendments have been

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<v Speaker 3>proposed in Congress but made it through Congress that haven't

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<v Speaker 3>been ratified by the voters. One of which is something

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<v Speaker 3>called the Corwin Amendment. Do it, either of you guys

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<v Speaker 3>know what that is. The Corwin Amendment was I want

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<v Speaker 3>to say, eighteen sixty one, and it would have it

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<v Speaker 3>would have been sort of an Article five qualifier, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess you might say, but it would have prevented the

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<v Speaker 3>thirteenth Amendment. It would have it said something to the

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<v Speaker 3>effect that no constitutional amendment can in fact take away

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<v Speaker 3>the power of the state or the right of the

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<v Speaker 3>states to own slaves, to make slavery legal within their states,

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<v Speaker 3>something along those lines. And it was actually never ratified

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<v Speaker 3>because the South. That was one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 3>the South was so adamant about populating the territories and

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<v Speaker 3>Because the opposite, of course, could have happened. But they

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<v Speaker 3>could have ratified in eighteen sixty one the Corwin Amendment,

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<v Speaker 3>and it would have been impossible ever to amend the

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<v Speaker 3>Constitution to get rid of slavery. That I'm sorry, that's

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<v Speaker 3>so obscure, but I just thought i'd bring it up

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<v Speaker 3>because it seems like a Steve thing to do. I

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<v Speaker 3>do want to mention that with respect to the era

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<v Speaker 3>my little tweak. The thing I take a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of satisfaction from it is that are leftists really sure

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<v Speaker 3>they want this? Because the ERA doesn't say that the

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<v Speaker 3>equal rights according to gender, although believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 3>I looked it up and Wikipedia actually says that as

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<v Speaker 3>if that's what the language of the ERA is is

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<v Speaker 3>that somehow it guarantees equal rights regardless of gender. It

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<v Speaker 3>guarantees equal rights regardless of sex, which would mean you

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<v Speaker 3>could take it to mean females, males. You might even

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<v Speaker 3>take it so far as to mean sexual orientation. But

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<v Speaker 3>it could never mean gender. You choose your gender. It

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<v Speaker 3>could never mean seventeen genders. It could never mean you

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<v Speaker 3>choose your gender as they them. It could never mean

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<v Speaker 3>any of those things, and it would never protect those things,

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<v Speaker 3>and it would codify in our constitution the idea that

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<v Speaker 3>sex and not gender is what is important. That's my

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<v Speaker 3>you know, sort of snarky answer to the eer people.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, Critia, you don't feel different. Now you're brimming with

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<v Speaker 2>new rights that you didn't have a few hours ago.

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<v Speaker 3>We feel the nineteenth Yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's I think it's actually an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>intellectual question. I think by practice, we have always accepted

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<v Speaker 2>the Congress can place limitations on the process of ratifying

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<v Speaker 2>the amendment. But tribbrais is an interesting question is can

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<v Speaker 2>Congress actually place a time limit? So there's two interesting questions.

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<v Speaker 2>One can Congress place a time limit for how long

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<v Speaker 2>the amendment is out there essentially to be approved by

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<v Speaker 2>the states. And also can states there's another question, remember,

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<v Speaker 2>can take their votes back?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think is a three states change their minds

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<v Speaker 2>and withdrew their ratifications. What do you guys think of that? Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>Steve whon't start.

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<v Speaker 1>Using Well, it wouldn't seem to me that a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of states could now unratify, say, the fourteenth Amendment, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's sort of settled. But I think we

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<v Speaker 1>said this before that we've never had any litigation or

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<v Speaker 1>lawsuits about whether during the ratification period a state can

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<v Speaker 1>take it back. Right. You would seem to me that

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<v Speaker 1>you could, But I don't know. That's that one's a

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<v Speaker 1>little beyond me. Can I raise them? It's not quite

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<v Speaker 1>related question, but there is this peculiar maybe it's not peculiar,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the end of Article five, you know, does

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<v Speaker 1>the amendment process the very last clause of it says,

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<v Speaker 1>no state without its consent shall be deprived of its

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<v Speaker 1>equal suffrage in the Senate. Now, I've often been I've

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<v Speaker 1>often been curious as to whether that means, as I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard some people claim that you cannot amend the Constitution

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<v Speaker 1>to abolish the Senate or change its composition. Curely, it

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<v Speaker 1>means at least that Congress could not change the composition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Senate, say we're going to give some states

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<v Speaker 1>extra senators or something. Right, it's tu per state. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why you would need to specify it's stronger.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I think it's stronger. Actually, I think that provision

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<v Speaker 2>the Constitution says cannot be changed by I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>actually permanent. Yeah, so it's not just that the state

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<v Speaker 2>could give it up. If it's also that that is

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<v Speaker 2>the only provision a constitution that can't be changed. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I think it also said, I misremember, but is

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<v Speaker 2>it also the slave non importation clause, which expired of

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<v Speaker 2>its own terms, right, also could never be changed. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>But that seems contrary to the idea of a constitution

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<v Speaker 2>that can be amended.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, it's also interesting that John brings it up because

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<v Speaker 3>and Baker versus car and what's the other one, Westbury

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<v Speaker 3>Which freaking constitution are they talking about? Those morons on

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I have to say about this, that it's.

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<v Speaker 3>One man, one vote. By the way, it's not one person,

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<v Speaker 3>one vote. It's one man, one vote.

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<v Speaker 1>continue or move on, John, I seem to recall I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember vaguely whether it was about very Goldwater or

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<v Speaker 1>the handcuffs to Biden and a whole bunch of Biden people.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, we still have a few days left for

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<v Speaker 3>Yetday Lucretia last thought, No, last thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so why don't we take a break and for

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors and then we'll be right back. Well, Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Lucretia both alluded to how Biden's I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>of this said effort to grasp at a legacy. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>who's in charge, who's in charge? Why do something like this?

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<v Speaker 2>But This is all part of a whole series of

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<v Speaker 2>things that have been going on Lucretia. Just mentioned right

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<v Speaker 2>before the break the pardons, right, Biden also part of

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<v Speaker 2>crack and powder cocaine, amongst other things Biden's been up right,

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<v Speaker 2>But this followed Biden also commuting the sentences of almost

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<v Speaker 2>everybody except for three people on death rout. Biden also

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<v Speaker 2>and then on and on. So Lucretia, this is the

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's awful. I don't know how else to say it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I suppose, is your right, John, that it's either

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<v Speaker 3>Biden or his his you know, little elves that run

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<v Speaker 3>have decided that this is a good idea. What one

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<v Speaker 3>quick comment. You offered this opportunity to me, and I

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<v Speaker 3>missed it. I'm sorry, but I do want to say

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<v Speaker 3>that the fact that the archivist, who agrees with Biden

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<v Speaker 3>that she wishes that the era was part of the Constitution,

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<v Speaker 3>stood up to it. I'm not sure if that's because

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<v Speaker 3>of a spine. I think it's more likely that the archivist,

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<v Speaker 3>the office, the entire office of the National Archives has

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<v Speaker 3>suffered such a blow to their integrity after their obvious

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<v Speaker 3>collaboration corroboration with with the Biden administration on the whole

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<v Speaker 3>Trump Document's case. I don't know what it is, but

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<v Speaker 3>thought maybe she might go for it, but she didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>So good for her. The let me mentioned those twenty

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<v Speaker 3>five hundred pardon of pardons of so called non violent

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<v Speaker 3>drug crimes. That's very misleading because in fact, most of

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<v Speaker 3>those people who were pardoned were drug dealers, gang members

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<v Speaker 3>involved in very serious crimes with drugs related to them,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, and they were given plea bargains. They given

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<v Speaker 3>really horrible, terrible people, just like the people that Biden

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<v Speaker 3>pardoned on death row, you know, child killers, killers who

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<v Speaker 3>are so evil, murderers who are so evil and awful

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<v Speaker 3>everybody around them in prison too. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>to wrap my head around anything as evil as what

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<v Speaker 3>Biden is doing. And then, of course, you know, trying

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<v Speaker 3>find nearly as offensive as trying to undermine Trump's possibilities

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<v Speaker 3>for success by you know, I'm told that the amount

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<v Speaker 3>of land that offshore offshore land, what is it when

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<v Speaker 3>and so he's just hamstringing Trump at every opportunity Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but to what end, right, I mean, it's awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is a pattern that goes all the way

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<v Speaker 1>back to it. Yeah, at least the Carter years is

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<v Speaker 1>House computers. But that's not quite true. They left some

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<v Speaker 3>That what the w kew?

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, They really did that. Yeah, the Bush people

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<v Speaker 2>Of the maturity of who's in charge in the Clinton

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<v Speaker 3>And there's just a word about the Sorry, sorry, John,

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to mention a word about the Farewell address,

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<v Speaker 3>although there have been several Farewell to the command as

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<v Speaker 3>Shut the hell up, go buy Jill address that looks

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<v Speaker 3>it alone. Anyway, back to the Farewell Address, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>many lies and so many hypocritical statements in one small speech.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if he thinks that we're all just manifestly stupid,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to say something like, oh, we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need our listeners are too smart for me

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<v Speaker 3>to have to go through all those things. But I

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<v Speaker 3>and his my word as a Biden means he is

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<v Speaker 3>go ahead, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give your sort of historians analysis. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, John, do you recall if George W. Bush

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<v Speaker 2>Every every present I think every president.

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln, Well, no way, that's just it. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's true that every that every president did, every president

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<v Speaker 1>and who's modern, at least in modern times. His is

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<v Speaker 1>the one a farewell address that we recall, Right, And

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<v Speaker 1>That was and I was about to say that was

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm in favor of it. That now By the way, Steve,

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<v Speaker 3>But Biden's still the White House Silver.

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<v Speaker 1>his ego, and so he thought, oh, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>have a profound, outgoing speech. So what did he warn

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<v Speaker 1>us about, Well, threats to democracy, artificial intelligence. Gee, he's

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<v Speaker 1>really giving us a novel thing to worry about that

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<v Speaker 1>no one's thinking about right now. Right. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>the rare word that I'd like to use whenever I

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<v Speaker 1>can is that speech was unbelievably jejune, even by Biden's standards.

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<v Speaker 1>But how many podcasts use jajune? I love the word.

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<v Speaker 1>The Eveland Wall like to use it in his novels.

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<v Speaker 2>So now that's probably two. Here's the thing that and

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned it when you talk about the liberal historians

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<v Speaker 2>who were advising Biden in earliness term to be this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of groundbreaking president, is maybe we should be worried

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<v Speaker 2>about president who are thinking about the historical legacy while

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<v Speaker 2>they're still in office. Right, that causes them to try

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, swing for the fences rather than just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maintaining basic you know, public safety, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do the do the basics of the job, and not

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<v Speaker 2>worry about the historical legacy. But you have a Biden

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<v Speaker 2>who was elected because he wasn't Trump elected during the

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<v Speaker 2>COVID crisis, and rather than right being the transition to

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<v Speaker 2>younger people they promised, he thought he was FDR LBJ, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is ridiculous except that you know, you're you're writing your

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<v Speaker 3>book on Alexander Hamilton John And remember Hamilton's very clear

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<v Speaker 3>about this, so is Madison. Actually that that sense that

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, being a critical part of history, fame

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<v Speaker 3>is the greatest of the ruling passion of the greatest minds,

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<v Speaker 3>the noblest minds, I think, is how it goes. There

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<v Speaker 3>is a sense where wanting to make your mark on

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<v Speaker 3>history by doing good things, by doing things that are

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<v Speaker 3>good for the country, is in fact of the noblest

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<v Speaker 3>path that one can take, according to the Founders. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the problem is that they I don't know that they

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<v Speaker 3>could have ever imagined an ideological hack like Biden, who

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<v Speaker 3>somehow could believe that, you know, all this crap he

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<v Speaker 3>wants to do is good for the country. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even know how left is sync this way, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, well yeah, I mean, look, the Founders I think

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<v Speaker 1>clearly anticipated the demagogue. That's always their worry, of which

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<v Speaker 1>Biden is a prime example. But a footnote about Eisenhower.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know what, what is the model of

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<v Speaker 1>true fame? And in other words, this is a test

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<v Speaker 1>of character? Be able put it that way. Farewell addresses

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<v Speaker 1>are maybe our test of character as well of intellect

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<v Speaker 1>and thoughtfulness. Eisenhower hated giving national speeches on TV. His

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<v Speaker 1>aides always wanted to go on on TV because he

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<v Speaker 1>was popular the general rest of that, and he said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do that. And then a few

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<v Speaker 1>times he said he would, he said no longer than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes. So there's kind of an irony here that

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<v Speaker 1>Eisenhower did give a farewell address, and that's the speech

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<v Speaker 1>he's most remembered for in probably his entire career, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's in many ways the best one ever made in

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<v Speaker 1>modern times. And and well that's because he ran the

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<v Speaker 1>government exactly as you said they should. He took care

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<v Speaker 1>of making sure that we settled down the government did

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<v Speaker 1>things and got things done like, oh, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>interstate highways, you know, modernizing our military forces, staying out

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<v Speaker 1>of the Vietnam War when the French wanted us to

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<v Speaker 1>bail them out, et cetera, et cetera. And that's one

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<v Speaker 1>reason why the left attacked him for not being a

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<v Speaker 1>visionary and not being, you know, a new dealer. And

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<v Speaker 1>now we all look back and say, gush, if we

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<v Speaker 1>could have a guy like that again, we take him

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<v Speaker 1>in a second.

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<v Speaker 2>I had two thoughts I had to write a chapter

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<v Speaker 2>for a book about Eisenhower. Eisenhower's presidency, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this huge it's all over now, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>this huge burst of Eisenhower revisionism which showed that not

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<v Speaker 2>rather than this sort of grandfatherly golf player, which was

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<v Speaker 2>the image that liberals attacked him with, particularly you know

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<v Speaker 2>the Kennedy people. You know, he was very effective but

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes leader, which is not surprising. The guy was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the supreme Allied commander in Europe. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he was a very capable guy. And Eisenhower's approach,

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<v Speaker 2>it ties him with the speech, but very different than

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<v Speaker 2>the way presidents think today, was that he should limit

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of times he used political capital only to

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<v Speaker 2>whin it's important and otherwise put out other people in

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<v Speaker 2>front to take the arrows, and then the president would

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<v Speaker 2>come in at the end with the you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>most of local capital intact and use it to great effect.

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<v Speaker 2>And the country I thought, actually did really well during

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<v Speaker 2>the Eisenhower years, certainly better than the sixties the decade

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<v Speaker 2>that followed. Second point, I wanted to, you know, follow

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<v Speaker 2>on what Lucretius said about Hamilton, so I have been

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<v Speaker 2>reading and thinking about this passage that Hamilton wrote where

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<v Speaker 2>he says that you know, fame is, you know, sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the ruling passion of the noblest minds. I think

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<v Speaker 2>is the phrase, and he's it's it's in this part

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<v Speaker 2>of the when he's and there's a claire Monster, one

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<v Speaker 2>of your people, Douglas Adair. I guess I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if he counts as one of you, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>he was a professor Clairemont, and he wrote a book

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<v Speaker 2>called Fame and the Founding Fathers, right, which is it's

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<v Speaker 2>a brilliant book. I thought you got to take a

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<v Speaker 2>picture of that and post it in the show. With

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<v Speaker 2>this show, so the book, but you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>the context sometimes has forgotten about why Hamilton says this,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I believe it's part of a debate where

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<v Speaker 2>the anti federalists are attacking the Constitution for not having

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<v Speaker 2>a term limit on the presidency right there. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted one term or two terms and so, and

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<v Speaker 2>their criticism is kind of interesting. They said, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a term limit, then you know what is

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<v Speaker 2>going to constrain a president, especially at the end, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of his term, you might just do

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<v Speaker 2>anything right, and so Hamilton says, So for him, the

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<v Speaker 2>interesting thing is this idea of fame and legacy is

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<v Speaker 2>not something, is not a goal. It's actually a limit

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<v Speaker 2>on presidents, he says, because they will be worried about

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<v Speaker 2>their fame, their reputation. They won't act out at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>they won't try crazy things at the end because they

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<v Speaker 2>want it now. However, legacy and history causes presidents to

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<v Speaker 2>go in the opposite direction. It's a yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>See, this is another area where as much as I

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<v Speaker 1>like Hamilton a strong natural law man, I always like

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<v Speaker 1>to point out to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody was. Then that doesn't prove any Well.

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<v Speaker 1>My point is, my point is different, which is Hamilton

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<v Speaker 1>as good as he as great as he was. I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is one of his arguments that was weak

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<v Speaker 1>and incorrect, like his argument that we don't need a

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<v Speaker 1>Bill of rights because you know, we haven't given any

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<v Speaker 1>power to contents. Disagree what you disagree with the now Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I know why you disagree, and I sympathize.

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<v Speaker 2>That debate to have about whether it was a mistake

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<v Speaker 2>or not to write down the bill right.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, okay, we should do that right, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one, another, another one in the long list of

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<v Speaker 2>single episodes, single issue episodes. Well, and look, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to take a break now. We'll take our break for

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors now, and then when we come back, let's

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<v Speaker 2>continue on with what Steve was just about to mention

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<v Speaker 2>before we go to our third topic. For once, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't Lucretia interrupting Steve, it was our sponsors. And now

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<v Speaker 2>we're back, Steve, what were you about to say?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was just going to make another quip and

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<v Speaker 1>jest at your expense that the argument about whether we

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<v Speaker 1>should have a bill of rights falls perfectly on the

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<v Speaker 1>axis of our debate between natural law and positivism. That's all,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be continued.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's quite right, I mean Hamilton, but Hamilton.

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<v Speaker 2>So Hamilton's view was, however, that we you could take

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<v Speaker 2>it one or two, as you could say, Well, because

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<v Speaker 2>he believed in natural law, everyone else did, so they

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<v Speaker 2>all knew what the rights were. Hamilton also thought, though,

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<v Speaker 2>that you write down bill of rights and Congress will

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, take away everything that you don't write down. Correct, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, he may well be have been right about that,

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<v Speaker 2>right because now we don't assume there are any rights

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<v Speaker 2>that exist there outside the Bill of Rights. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the courts to I mean, he might well have been

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<v Speaker 2>writing his prediction.

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<v Speaker 1>As you suggested a moment ago. John, let us put

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<v Speaker 1>this off to another longer occasion. You're you're dangling that

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<v Speaker 1>bait and I'm not going to take it.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, I just want to say, Steve and

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<v Speaker 3>I have had this debate once a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 3>and one of our listeners, the incomparable g in Yarborough,

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<v Speaker 3>disagreed with me on this one. Do you remember, Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>Not very clearly, No, don't anything.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, so so in case Jean's.

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<v Speaker 2>Listening, pardon, what was Jean's point?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's hard to do, probably not appropriate right now,

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<v Speaker 3>but my argument I can't. I can't give her point

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<v Speaker 3>without giving mine. So let's put it off till we

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<v Speaker 3>do this whole episode.

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<v Speaker 2>But well you're really yeah, we're gonna have to have

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<v Speaker 2>a sequel to this one too. Okay. So the third issue,

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<v Speaker 2>which I picked I would say earlier in the week,

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<v Speaker 2>although now it seems like it was years ago, was

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<v Speaker 2>on Monday this two special councils released their reports. The

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<v Speaker 2>Special Council for the Hunter Biden case. David Weiss, the

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<v Speaker 2>US attorney in Delaware, released his report, which was soon

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<v Speaker 2>swamped in the news coverage by Jack smith report. Half

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<v Speaker 2>of his report was released by Merrick Garland, the attorney Dreneral.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's an interesting point. So David Weiss's report was odd,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, because he didn't really need a report because

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<v Speaker 2>he prosecuted. Unlike Jack Smith. He actually prosecuted and won

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<v Speaker 2>the conviction of Hunter Biden, and he's spent. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>say the bull but the most interesting parts of his

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<v Speaker 2>reports of his report was attacking President Biden for his

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<v Speaker 2>President Biden's attacks on the Special Council claims that the

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<v Speaker 2>investigation was political, and then his use of the pardon

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<v Speaker 2>to wipe out all the convictions. That was very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>jack Smith's and then you know the commentaries has come out,

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot actually, but Jack Smith's report the news

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<v Speaker 2>media attention on it because Jack Smith said, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I could have gotten a conviction. Now people may not

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<v Speaker 2>realize this, but prosecutors are not supposed to prosecute a

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<v Speaker 2>case unless they already believe that. So it's actually no

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<v Speaker 2>news at all for Jack Smith to say, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I could have gone a conviction because you were not

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<v Speaker 2>allowed as a federal prosecutor to even file charges if

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<v Speaker 2>you have not already concluded that you think that, I

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<v Speaker 2>think so. So much of the evidence in the jack

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<v Speaker 2>Smith report was not new. But and this is in

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<v Speaker 2>a weird way similar to the Weiss Report, and I

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<v Speaker 2>had not seen it before in Special councilor course, like

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Muller report, a lot of it was spent defensively

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<v Speaker 2>attacking all the attackers on the Special Council, where there

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<v Speaker 2>was an inordinate amount of oh, we're actually very neutral

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<v Speaker 2>and we don't pay attention to the elections. And no

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<v Speaker 2>one into my office was considering that President Trump was

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<v Speaker 2>writing for this was just buy the books prosecution. So, Lucretia,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think of these Special Council reports? Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this is is this the how do you think about this?

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<v Speaker 1>As?

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<v Speaker 2>What does this say? In other words, if this is

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<v Speaker 2>the concluding chapter or the afterward to the whole campaign

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<v Speaker 2>of Wall Rarey watchings four years.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to pretend to be have any expertise

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<v Speaker 3>on this, John, I really actually want to turn the

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<v Speaker 3>question back on you and say, first of all, do

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<v Speaker 3>you see a qualitative difference between the Weiss report and

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<v Speaker 3>the Smith report, and Weiss actually got convictions and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>had those convictions superseded is the right word I suppose?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know by a pardon Smith. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 3>there's nobody who can think that Smith just was an

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<v Speaker 3>utter failure, that the charges he tried to bring on

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<v Speaker 3>Trump were trumped up. Excuse the expression that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>over and over even his legitimacy as a special prosecutor

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<v Speaker 3>was determined by Aileen Cannon as I recalled to be illegitimate,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, so it really didn't. From a purely objective

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<v Speaker 3>point of view, Smith should have never released the report

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<v Speaker 3>because as a prosecutor, you have one side, and if

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<v Speaker 3>you didn't try the case and win the case, what's

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<v Speaker 3>the point of issuing a special Council report? Am I

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<v Speaker 3>wrong on that? I'm asking you? As the lawyer, John.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Well, you know, traditionally you would never issue report

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<v Speaker 2>on people and things you didn't charge. It's actually considered

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<v Speaker 2>quite unethical because you know, prosecutors spend a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time investing someone. They don't bring charges if you announce charge.

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<v Speaker 2>While but there's this implication that the person's guilty. And

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<v Speaker 2>yet at the same time, since it never went to trial,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump never had the chance to put out his own

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<v Speaker 2>side of things. All we really have is the prosecutor's indictment,

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<v Speaker 2>and so your federal prosecutors are really only supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>speak about what's in the indictment and nothing else. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Smith's the things that Smith wrote in the

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<v Speaker 2>report or already in the indictment, So what's the point?

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<v Speaker 2>And then the things he's saying outside the indictment, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're neutral and we follow the rules, blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 2>and why is everyone attacking us? They shouldn't say anything

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<v Speaker 2>about that at all. It seems to me prosecutors are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, better seen and not heard in this respect.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, put the put the evidence before the public

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<v Speaker 2>on trial and leave it at that. So the reports

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<v Speaker 2>this real element.

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<v Speaker 3>You get in a lot of trouble with some of

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<v Speaker 3>our listeners, John for your lawyer's approach to some questions.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm I'm not saying that to be you know,

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<v Speaker 3>insulting at all. I mean that that's sometimes listeners have

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<v Speaker 3>a really hard time with your inability to see perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>the political side of things and to see only the

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<v Speaker 3>loyally side of things.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's why I want to ask you mean the

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<v Speaker 2>readers would like us to dispense with the law and

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<v Speaker 2>let Lucretia have free reign. Sure of course.

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<v Speaker 3>They would, don't be ridiculous, But anyway, I really my

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<v Speaker 3>point was this, that that that from the point of

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<v Speaker 3>view of an actual lawyer, uh you know, a serious

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<v Speaker 3>a very serious and well respected lawyer, I was really

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<v Speaker 3>interested to see what you had to say about that.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's and your comments confirm, of course what what

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<v Speaker 3>what I thought was true. But from again, from not

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<v Speaker 3>I should have.

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<v Speaker 2>Qualified, but I should qualify it the So the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why the reports are done is because the Justice Department

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<v Speaker 2>regulation that creates the Special Counsel requires there to be

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<v Speaker 2>a report. Now here's think the Attorney General doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to release it to the public, right and so in

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<v Speaker 2>that respect it's not that different, it seems to me,

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<v Speaker 2>than what prosecutors would tell the Attorney General about any

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<v Speaker 2>high profile case. Right if the Attorney General is the

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<v Speaker 2>one ultimately charge of the Justice Department. So you're investigating

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<v Speaker 2>a senator, of course the Attorney General is going to

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<v Speaker 2>want to know did you charge them why did you

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<v Speaker 2>charge them? What did you do in the investigation? So

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<v Speaker 2>I actually don't think the report itself, you know, is

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<v Speaker 2>that different. The part that's inappropriate is allowing the Justice

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<v Speaker 2>Department to release something like that to the public, because

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<v Speaker 2>that really does cause the implication that the target, the subject,

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<v Speaker 2>is guilty. So both of these reports sought to do so.

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<v Speaker 3>If Lucretia sums that up, it was a totally political

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<v Speaker 3>act and not a legal or other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh no, no, fact, it's quite a yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>quite anti legal. Actually it's oh, it's holly political. Well

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's why, and that's a decision for Merrick Garland.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ste well that's why I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 1>My first impression of the whole thing was this sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a Scooby Doo episode. I would have gotten away

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<v Speaker 1>with it one for you meddling voters, right. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we we have, by degrees, I think you can trace

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<v Speaker 1>it back to Watergate. We have, by degrees, moved where

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<v Speaker 1>what it's always a difficult and problematic prosecutorial process when

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<v Speaker 1>involves politicians and politics, we've now moved to this one

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<v Speaker 1>where it's impossible to disentangle them. And by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we're going to look back now on

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the Trump prosecutions and some others, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even the you know, the mull report about Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and the Russia hoax business seven eight years ago. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're increasingly starting to have second thoughts about

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<v Speaker 1>the whole Watergate business as we learn more about how,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the whole Independent councils I was Special Council

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<v Speaker 1>then before the Independent Council, right, but the whole staff

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<v Speaker 1>was borrowed from Ted Kennedy's staff. Nixon hating people who

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<v Speaker 1>were determined to drive him from office no matter what. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course Nixon gave him plenty of rope to hang

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<v Speaker 1>him with, as he admitted himself. But the more we learn,

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<v Speaker 1>has more documents become available after they've been released from

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<v Speaker 1>confidentiality or whatever the restrictions are. You know, Jeff Shepperd

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<v Speaker 1>doing all the work on this is the bad behavior

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<v Speaker 1>of the prosecutors and Judge Serrica presiding over the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's looking more and more now like the political

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<v Speaker 1>crimes created by the Justice Department going after Nixon are

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<v Speaker 1>much worse than the Watergate break in or any of

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<v Speaker 1>the cover up, and so now here we are, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think the whole process regardless of the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the legal merits. And by the way, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>significant that Smith did not said there was not a

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<v Speaker 1>case against Trump were insurrection didn't it's not in the report.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't read much of it, right, That's extremely important

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what, of course drove this whole thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>what gets the Democrats all worked up is Trump's an insurrectionists.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they tried to ban him from the bout

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<v Speaker 1>in Colorado and Maine and so forth. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>now this has gotten so bad that fortunately, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we had the right outcome, which is the voters had

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<v Speaker 1>the final say on this, and I hope they always do.

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<v Speaker 3>So let me when you watch the confirmation hearings for.

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<v Speaker 1>A pointed Sorry, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, and I know that this is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a separate thing, but I actually have a question for

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<v Speaker 3>both of you about this. Do you ever find yourself

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<v Speaker 3>like you're feeling like you're living in an alternate universe

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<v Speaker 3>because you see these Democrats sort of I know they're

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<v Speaker 3>grand standing, okay, but you know, asking Pam BONDI what

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<v Speaker 3>you know, is she going to be and of course

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<v Speaker 3>Pam Bondy is smart and she you know, she can

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<v Speaker 3>turn it around on that pencil like Adam Adam shifts.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I'm trying not to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even necessarily want to go into all of

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<v Speaker 3>these things. But these Democrats, I know, I'm a partisan,

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<v Speaker 3>I get it, but sometimes I'm I'm utterly flabbergasted at

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<v Speaker 3>at their hypocrisy, at their Do they really think anybody

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<v Speaker 3>takes seriously what they have to say?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think no. But I think the notable thing

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<v Speaker 1>about well we do it this way. When I first

767
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<v Speaker 1>visited Washington as a student back in the seventies, and

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<v Speaker 1>I watched some committee hearings and I'd watch remember I

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<v Speaker 1>think I saw house hearings and I thought, God, are

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of buffoons, and the witnesses was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>take it and parryot and I remember asking a professor

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<v Speaker 1>was there with a student group. As the professor, why

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<v Speaker 1>don't the witnesses ever talk back to them? Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>they ever say you're full of crap? You know, and

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<v Speaker 1>and and you know, Professor Paton explained, well, that's just

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<v Speaker 1>the protocol, and it's the you know, the culture and

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<v Speaker 1>all the rest of that, I said, well, okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>this week we and we've been moving this way too,

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<v Speaker 1>but this week you really saw a lot of Trump

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<v Speaker 1>appointees talking back very bluntly, especially BONDI to Adam Schiff

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<v Speaker 1>was very direct, but some of the other I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there was some real mic drop moment into this week

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<v Speaker 1>from the responses from Trump's people, and rather than being

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<v Speaker 1>courteous and deferential and pretending to have some common ground

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<v Speaker 1>of agreement somewhere and I'll be happy to work with you, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just boom and I mean really embarrassing responses

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<v Speaker 1>from the senator's point of view. Right, I could go

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<v Speaker 1>through someone I won't.

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<v Speaker 3>But although they're probably not so let me just i'm

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<v Speaker 3>you through an anecdote. They're probably not embarrassed at me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna throw one at you. So I'm telling what

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<v Speaker 3>I would call a somewhat disengaged friend of mine, disengaged

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<v Speaker 3>from politics, about the whole Hank Johnson episode where you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna tip over that while right thing, yes, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, explaining how the whole thing went and how

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<v Speaker 3>the admiral who was just kind of sat there and

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<v Speaker 3>said nice or we don't think that's gonna happen. And

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<v Speaker 3>his reaction was, I can't use the terms that he used,

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<v Speaker 3>because even Lucretia won't say there's in private, never mind

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<v Speaker 3>on a family podcast, but he was. He blamed the

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<v Speaker 3>admiral for not just looking at Hank Johnson saying, you're

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<v Speaker 3>a member of Congress. How can you be so effing

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<v Speaker 3>stupid that you could say something so maronic? And people

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<v Speaker 3>you know and on a you know, the Admiral acted

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<v Speaker 3>with grace and so forth. But my thought, based on

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<v Speaker 3>what you just said, Steve, is that Trump's election was

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<v Speaker 3>based on the fact that there's more and more people

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<v Speaker 3>like my friend who say, why are we playing these

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<v Speaker 3>stupid games? These Marie Harono made not just the dumbest

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<v Speaker 3>person in Congress, but the dumbest person in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>How is that woman? Oh? Sorry, okay, I'm done. Wait,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So we're almost at the end of our hour,

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<v Speaker 2>any any other I just want to flag one or

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<v Speaker 2>two issues that we're not going to get to today,

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<v Speaker 2>but did happen this week, But they're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>into another special one subject episode today. Also, the Supreme

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<v Speaker 2>Court unanimously by nine to zero upheld the bill requiring

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok to either shut down or to be sold as

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<v Speaker 2>I predicted they would because of the overwhelming national security justification.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a I think actually one of the more important

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court cases involving how our society is going to

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<v Speaker 2>work for some years. And then there was another big

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<v Speaker 2>free speech issue. CNN lost a defamation case where our

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<v Speaker 2>jury awarded them five million dollars awarded a government contractor

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<v Speaker 2>who was helping companies get people out of Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, John, I got three more quick bullet points for

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<v Speaker 1>you from the news this week. One is, if listeners

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hear it, Hunter Biden is claiming you lost millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars in value in his artwork in the fires

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<v Speaker 1>out in California. So you can add insurance fraud to

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<v Speaker 1>the latest Biden bunker. Yes, you missed that one. Hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hear that one right? When the other one is is

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<v Speaker 1>you've probably heard the news that because of cold weather,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's inauguration is going to be moved into Rotunda in

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<v Speaker 1>the Capitol like Reagan did nineteen eighty five. And so

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<v Speaker 1>what we wait for here is for the left and

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<v Speaker 1>the media to explain to us why global warming has

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<v Speaker 1>caused this to happen. That's inevitable, right, And then finally,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is just too serious a subject and it

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<v Speaker 1>could be a whole episode. But the Gaza deal that

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<v Speaker 1>these cabinet ratified is well, that's I mean, we'll just

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<v Speaker 1>have to see what happens. As Trump likes to say,

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<v Speaker 1>it worries me and bothers me a lot. But I

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<v Speaker 1>also know people who'd also bothers who said, but it

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<v Speaker 1>may have been necessary under the circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>So also I should have thrown that in as another

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<v Speaker 2>example of Biden reaching for a legacy, right, Yes, what

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<v Speaker 2>enormous pressure on that deal to be done before he

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<v Speaker 2>left his presidency finished.

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<v Speaker 1>Although apparently a lot to do with it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, okay, but here we get we are at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the hour. And so Lucretia your Babylon

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<v Speaker 2>b headlines of the week, gen.

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<v Speaker 3>Z upset about TikTok band for four point three seconds waitch,

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<v Speaker 3>just the maximum amount of time they can focus on

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<v Speaker 3>something thanks to TikTok Right, right, that's pretty good. Right

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<v Speaker 3>with TikTok band, China force to spy on Americans by

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<v Speaker 3>hiding little cameras and fortune cookies. Sorry we didn't we

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<v Speaker 3>didn't actually get to Christy Nome, But this one's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of funny. Senate Committee sticks to softball questions for shotgun

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<v Speaker 3>toting Christy Nome. This one's my personal favorite. I only

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<v Speaker 3>have two more. In effort to improve Senate confirmation hearing,

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<v Speaker 3>Democratic women replaced by rabid hyenas.

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<v Speaker 1>Difference God.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally, because this follows onto what you two didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about. Biden takes credit for developing dementia, so

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<v Speaker 3>Kamla would take his place and lose to Trump, so

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<v Speaker 3>Hamas would release the hostages.

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<v Speaker 1>What that sounds about? Yeah, that sounds about right.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. One one real quick one based on the farewell speech.

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<v Speaker 3>Head of Biden crime family warns about dangers of corruption.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, it's not even funny anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, we really are going to have to develop

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<v Speaker 2>a new sign off with the change of administration. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's still good for four more days, right, So always

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<v Speaker 2>drink your whiskey meat. Let's go Brandon and.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve imagine and there's no Joe Biden. It's easy if

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<v Speaker 1>you try. No Kamala Harris too. Bye bye. The picture

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<v Speaker 1>around here still isn't settled, and is it great? The

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<v Speaker 1>self same.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopes and self same knowing has passed away.

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<v Speaker 1>So glad you came by.

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<v Speaker 2>To check out the rumors that you'd heard.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you'll talk this away with important things that

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<v Speaker 3>you've learned.

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<v Speaker 1>And the kids are still around here. But your kids

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<v Speaker 1>aren't still around here, and the kids aren't still around

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<v Speaker 1>here anymore any more. I'm tired of my own voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Later on selling and warn bless you.

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<v Speaker 2>Ricochet join the conversation.