1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Rob and I'm Dave from the Totally 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,480 Eighties and Nineties podcast. While we check our vector, Victor, 3 00:00:06,679 --> 00:00:09,800 you'll be listening to the Shirley You Can't Be Serious podcast. 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,320 And don't worry, Jason and d cannot only fly this 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:25,839 plane if they can also land it. We're about to 6 00:00:25,879 --> 00:00:29,120 finish with five years of doing this and I can't 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,960 imagine stopping at any point anytime soon. I want to 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,719 keep doing this forever. I hope we never split apart. 9 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: Wherever we go, whatever happens. When I look up to 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,520 the stars, I'll know you'll be looking at the same ones. 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,359 Speaker 1: Guys, welcome back, Thank you for joining us. If this 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,079 is your first time here, welcome in. We'd just like 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,200 to have lots of fun here, and if you're one 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:56,159 of our many returning listeners, love you so cool. I 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,399 am here with my Elvis glasses and my Hawaiian shirt 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,399 and Jason has his Honeybear bong and he has shaved 17 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:06,840 his head just for this episode. We are here for 18 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:10,480 the second part of our comparison between the movies True 19 00:01:10,599 --> 00:01:16,319 Romance and Natural Born Killers, both which were Quentin Tarantino's 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,760 original script. All together, all one, all one, script. You 21 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,640 can get the full story on that one on our 22 00:01:22,719 --> 00:01:26,400 last episode. But we are here today, we are jumping 23 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:28,439 back in. We've got you know, we talked a lot 24 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,359 about Tony Scott in our last episode, and we talked 25 00:01:31,359 --> 00:01:34,000 about him a lot when we talked about Beverly Hills 26 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,719 Cop two, and even more when we talked about Top Gun. 27 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,239 Just the craziness that he was so good and so 28 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,959 incredible at what he did and so well regarded and 29 00:01:43,239 --> 00:01:47,359 just decided to end it all what it's crazy. And 30 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,760 then you've got Oliver Stone, which is a far less 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,680 beloved guy. Now we can say he has definitely done 32 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:56,680 some amazing things. 33 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,799 Speaker 2: That's our first time to talk about Oliver Stone. 34 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, our first time because we I mean we've thrown 35 00:02:01,719 --> 00:02:05,640 around the idea of doing full Metal Jacket versus Platoon. Sure, 36 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:10,199 and I mean you've got JFK should be compared to something. 37 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,840 I mean, he's got Wall Street all kinds of great things, 38 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:15,520 but not any movies that we've covered so far. He 39 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,360 enlisted for Vietnam, fought in Vietnam, which of course was 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,479 the influence for a trilogy of movies, Platoon being the 41 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,280 first born on the fourth of July, being the second, 42 00:02:27,479 --> 00:02:30,240 and Heaven and Earth was the third one. Did you 43 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:30,560 see that? 44 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 3: No? 45 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:33,759 Speaker 1: But I know of it because Tommy Lee Jones, right, 46 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,479 which maybe that's how he gets to this one. But 47 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,719 he was coming off of that third, not as well 48 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:43,000 received movie when he decides to buy in to make 49 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,879 Natural Born Killers, and he had his initial intention was 50 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,960 to make it a movie that was more like the 51 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:56,360 kind of comedic, romantic, still violent movie that Tarantino had written. 52 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,840 But things started happening that just made him and realize 53 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,240 the world is a crazy place and all that the 54 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,879 media seems to do with it is try to make 55 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,960 it even crazier, and so he kind of jumped on 56 00:03:10,159 --> 00:03:14,159 that idea, and in retrospect, going back and looking at it, 57 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:18,000 Tarantino wrote the lines for the groupies, the Mickey and 58 00:03:18,039 --> 00:03:22,960 Mallory Groupies well before nineteen ninety one. Right, But as 59 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,599 I'm watching it, I'm thinking, these are the same people 60 00:03:26,719 --> 00:03:30,439 who were latching on to the grunge movement. These are 61 00:03:30,439 --> 00:03:32,960 the same kids who are like, I'm tired of what's 62 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,759 gone on before, I want something more real, And they 63 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:41,240 kind of took that perspective and what if instead of 64 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:48,360 idolizing these alternative music, rock stars. They idolize killers, mass murderers. 65 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: Okay, you know Oliver Stone. His movies seem a little 66 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,719 overly serious to me. Yeah, they're interesting, They're just not 67 00:03:56,879 --> 00:03:59,719 very fun for me. Right, I tell you my story 68 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:02,919 about Door scorn movies. Right, they are not popcorn at all, 69 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,439 and I think Natural Born Killers kind of wants to 70 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:06,400 be popcorny. 71 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. 72 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: I tell you my Door story, right. We told you 73 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,439 this a couple of podcasts back. But we get to 74 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:13,639 the part where there's the sex scene, there's the witchcraft, 75 00:04:13,639 --> 00:04:17,399 there's the drugs, and I'm blood the blood, and I'm 76 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:20,120 happy to watch this to talk about it for a podcast. 77 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:22,399 And I get to this part, I'm like, what in 78 00:04:22,439 --> 00:04:25,680 the crap am I watching? And at that moment, my 79 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,319 twelve year old son goes, whoa, dad, what are you watching? 80 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,439 Speaker 1: Right? Yes, same actors from a Twilight Zone. Go back 81 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:35,600 and check that episode out. That's with Amanda Janic. That's right. 82 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,319 Speaker 2: So The Doors has Valkilmer, which of course he's in 83 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:41,920 true romance. Yes, so yeah, there's some crossover here. 84 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you like Wall Street? 85 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,519 Speaker 2: I liked Wall Street better than I liked JFK, like Platoon, 86 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:49,920 I appreciate Platoon. 87 00:04:50,199 --> 00:04:53,079 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean these movies are not fun, right, 88 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,360 I mean yeah, I mean I remember watching Born on 89 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,360 the fourth of July just thinking I'd rather get beat up. Yes, 90 00:04:58,759 --> 00:05:00,800 I feel like I'm getting beat up about this. It's 91 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,360 just really long, it's kind of heavy. It's not very fun. Right. So, Gary, 92 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:05,639 by the way, that's right. 93 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,079 Speaker 2: His favorite parts that he's ever played, he named two Lee, 94 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,199 Harvey Oswald, and Drexel Spivey. 95 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the cast four Natural Born Killers. 96 00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 4: Okay, before we. 97 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,439 Speaker 2: Get to the cast of Natural Born Killers, I want 98 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:31,160 to throw this at you. 99 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: Okay. 100 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,759 Speaker 2: Natural Born Killers was named by IMDb as the sixth 101 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:40,040 most controversial movie of all time. 102 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: So do we want to talk about the copy cat 103 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:44,279 killers at this point before we get into the cast? 104 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: Well, do you want to know the five other most Oh? 105 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: Of course. 106 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 4: You like that. 107 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 2: This is, according to IMDb, the most controversial movies of 108 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:57,600 all time. I'm going to go through seven because we've 109 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,720 talked about seven. Number one most controversial movie of all time, 110 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:01,800 The Passion of the Christ. 111 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: Sure, okay? 112 00:06:04,079 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: Number two a clockwork orange understandable? Yeah, Number three Fahrenheit 113 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:10,920 nine to one one. 114 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. Number four is JFK really huh? Okay, 115 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,759 just because it's so conspiracy theory based, Yeah, I guess right. 116 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:21,639 It started up a lot of conversation. Number five is 117 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,519 the Last Temptation of Christ? Wait a minute, what was 118 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:26,160 the first one? The Passion of the Christ? 119 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: Oh, Passion of the Christ? Mel Gibson, Last Temptation of Christ, 120 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:31,920 Martin Scorsese. 121 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,759 Speaker 1: Really the Passion was controversial or controversial? 122 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: An R rated movie about the life death resurrection of Christ. 123 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. 124 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,079 Speaker 2: Number six, Natural Born Killers? Okay, Number seven, Last Tango 125 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,079 in Paris. You remember when we talked about that. 126 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:48,199 Speaker 1: Well, it would have had been our Superman episode. We 127 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,879 started talking about Marlon Brando and the fact that he 128 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,600 could not film in Italy because he was wanted on 129 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:57,319 pornography eature. That's right, the Last Tango in Paris. By 130 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,839 the way, I think the actress involved in those scenes 131 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:03,600 actually said that she was raped in those scenes. So 132 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,800 pretty controversial, controversial, right, Okay? Okay, so do the cast. 133 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,319 Speaker 2: Let's dive into the cast of Natural Born Killers. 134 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:23,639 Speaker 1: Now this is a more like a controversial cast than 135 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:26,920 we had into Romance. Interesting, like the Trumance, I feel 136 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,759 like they hit it on the head in all respects. Yeah, 137 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:30,879 do you feel that way for natural boar killers? 138 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: No? 139 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: No, okay, And that you're jumping right out of the 140 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:37,120 gate with the one that is the controversial question. Right, 141 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:37,879 you are not going to. 142 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: Find a bigger Cheers fan than me? 143 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: Right, I love Cheers. Right, this is amazing. 144 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:52,439 Speaker 3: Hundreds of bottles, red and white wine glasses, high grit nogut, 145 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:58,439 school covers, hot and a brass rail and a big 146 00:07:58,519 --> 00:08:00,920 city bartender with a joe get there ready? 147 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: You from out of town? 148 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,079 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll bite Yeah, I'm from out of town. 149 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:10,759 Speaker 1: Can I help you? 150 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: I went right over my head. 151 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:17,639 Speaker 1: Excuse me. My name's Woody Boyd. 152 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,439 Speaker 2: See Woody Harrelson as a crazy you know, homicidal killer 153 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,720 was difficult for me to deal with. 154 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: It's just murder, man. All God's creatures do in some 155 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,199 form or another. I mean you look in the forest. 156 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,519 You got species killing other species, our species killing all species, 157 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,960 including the forest, and we just call it industry, not murdered. Right. 158 00:08:40,279 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: But it's like George Michael coming out with I Want 159 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,879 your sex after being in Wham. Sure he was doing 160 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,679 everything he could to break out of the mold that 161 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,519 he was obviously getting stuck in Yes, because he'd also 162 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,200 played that goofball kind of character in Doc Hollywood as well. Right, yeah, 163 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,080 he did. But if not for a natural born kill 164 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,360 where he comes out and he's playing anything but a goofball, 165 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,559 we wouldn't have had a decent proposal. We wouldn't have 166 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,039 had the people versus Larry Flint, we wouldn't have had 167 00:09:10,279 --> 00:09:14,039 What's the True Detective with him and Matthew McConaughey. I mean, 168 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,240 the fact is is that Woody Harrelson has got some 169 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:21,799 genuine solid acting chops and Oliver Stone was the one 170 00:09:21,799 --> 00:09:24,399 that decided, I think that this guy can play a killer. 171 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:27,919 Speaker 2: Well, so Oliver Stone wanted Michael Madison to play this character, 172 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,799 but the studio said, hey, we'll give you twenty million 173 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,159 extra dollars if you hire Woody Harrelson. Right, But Oliver 174 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:38,559 Stone looked at Woody Harrelson, saw something in his eyes 175 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:43,080 and he said, and his dad is actually a killer. 176 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: His dad. If you don't know the story, go check 177 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,080 out the podcast Son of a hit Manah, his dad 178 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,360 is serving time in the pen because he was a 179 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:58,279 hit man and he murdered allegedly a federal judge. He 180 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,440 did shot him in the back. Yes, the podcast does 181 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,320 call that into question. It doesn't make any bones about 182 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,240 the fact that he killed people. They're just saying, well, 183 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:08,960 I don't know if he killed that guy, but yeah, 184 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:14,639 Woody Harrelson's dad is a convicted murderer. It's so fascinating. 185 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: I saw an interview with Robert Kennedy Junior, and he 186 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:22,639 and Woody Harrelson are good buddies, like they're friends. Okay, 187 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,120 Robert Kennedy is saying, Woody Harrelson's dad definitely had a 188 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,200 role in my uncle's assassination. And if you haven't connected 189 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,919 the DUTs, his uncle is John F. 190 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,919 Speaker 1: Kennedy. By the way, how did you feel seeing Woody 191 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,240 as a natural born killer? I didn't like it at all. Yeah, 192 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:41,360 I thought he was brilliant because we talked about Michael 193 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,559 Madson being in that part, and Michael, to me, Michael 194 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,840 Madson is not somebody the groupies are gonna fall after. 195 00:10:47,039 --> 00:10:50,960 He's not. I mean, he's okay, but he's just not 196 00:10:51,159 --> 00:10:55,360 a blue eyed, good looking, chisel jaw guy. He's a 197 00:10:55,399 --> 00:10:57,159 guy who might cut a CoP's ear off. 198 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: Michael Madson, though, has a level of minus that I 199 00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:03,279 don't think Wood he has. 200 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: I think that's what makes him so great. Okay, born 201 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:09,679 a natural born killer man. I figured out who I am. 202 00:11:09,799 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: By the way, since we're talking about Bobby Kennedy, I 203 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:15,519 can't wait any longer. I've got to tell you this nugget. Okay, Okay, 204 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:17,759 So we got to switch back to True Romance for 205 00:11:17,799 --> 00:11:20,320 just a second. Okay, since we're talking about Bobby Kennedy. 206 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,840 The hotel shootout scene in True Romance, yes, was shot 207 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:32,120 in the Ambassador Hotel, which has since been closed down abandoned. 208 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:35,440 Uh huh, but that is the same hotel where Bobby 209 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:36,399 Kennedy was shot. 210 00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: Wow. As long as we're on that, I'm gonna throw 211 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,360 a tidbit out here. I mentioned earlier, but we talked 212 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,720 about Val Kilmer being cast as not Elvis but the mentor. 213 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:48,759 But he's obviously Elvis in this movie, right right right. 214 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,879 Quentin Tarantino did act a bit before he hit it 215 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:56,519 big as a writer and director. This is the Dulph 216 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,399 Lungern thing. No, although that's a good one, and Roger 217 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,279 Avery worked as production assistance on the Dolph Lunger and 218 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:09,279 Workout video, right, No, no. After that, he played an 219 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:14,720 Elvis impersonator on the episode called Sophia's Wedding, Part one 220 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,840 of the fourth season of The Golden Girls, which was 221 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,440 broadcast on November nineteenth, nineteen eighty eight, almost exactly thirty 222 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:36,759 six years ago today. 223 00:12:36,919 --> 00:12:40,039 Speaker 4: News lies. 224 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was aired. Now here's the interesting follow up 225 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,000 to that. He only got paid about six hundred and 226 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,240 fifty bucks to do it, but because it was such 227 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:01,120 a great episode, they kept syndicate and so he ended 228 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,039 up making about three thousand dollars in payments syndication money 229 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:08,440 syndication which kept him alive while he was in the 230 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:10,039 process of making Reservoir Dogs. 231 00:13:10,519 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: The Golden Girls. 232 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,799 Speaker 1: We have the Golden The Elvis impersonator part he played 233 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,080 on The Golden Girls helped him make it through. Wow, 234 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:19,519 that's cool. 235 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, back to the cast of Natural Born Killers. 236 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've got Witdy Harrelson. 237 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 4: You ain't seen nothing here. 238 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:31,159 Speaker 2: And then you've got Juliette Lewis. 239 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: Yep, I do. 240 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 4: For all eternity until you and I die and die 241 00:13:40,919 --> 00:13:41,759 and die in. 242 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,279 Speaker 1: Till death do us part. 243 00:13:44,799 --> 00:13:47,279 Speaker 2: We talked about her because she is the daughter of 244 00:13:47,399 --> 00:13:48,639 Jeffrey Lewis. 245 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: Who was in every which way but loosen any which 246 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,399 way you can. Right to go check out that comparison. 247 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,039 What a great couple of movies, Clint Eastwood's highest box 248 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,759 office success. Figure that out. But that it is, Go 249 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,519 check those episodes out. That's a couple of seasons. 250 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:12,759 Speaker 2: We love those great right turn client, So Oliver Stone 251 00:14:12,799 --> 00:14:15,840 wanted her to get buff for this movie, right, and 252 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:17,679 she was kind of pushed back on it. She's like, 253 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,240 I don't really think she's feminine, right right. She's mean 254 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,120 and she's a killer, but she's feminine again. 255 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: It betrays the fact that she's going to beat your 256 00:14:26,879 --> 00:14:28,559 ass if you try to mess with her. 257 00:14:29,399 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: She actually could do seven pull ups by the time 258 00:14:32,919 --> 00:14:34,360 that the movie was filming. 259 00:14:34,559 --> 00:14:36,559 Speaker 1: Okay, so there you go. How many pull ups can 260 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:36,799 you do? 261 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,799 Speaker 2: Probably not seven? Okay, she's great in this movie. 262 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:46,679 Speaker 1: She has that perfect sweet girl next door, not super attractive, 263 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,159 but a little bit crazy behind the eyes. 264 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the type where she might burn down your house. 265 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, her dance moves paint a different picture. Yeah, 266 00:14:56,679 --> 00:14:58,519 and she had just only I don't think she had 267 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:00,039 been in much maybe Cape Fear. 268 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,799 Speaker 4: Christmas Vacation. 269 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,039 Speaker 2: Oh, of course she plays Audrey in Christmas Vacation. But yeah, 270 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:11,440 Cape Fear where she has that weird thing with Robert. Yeah, yeah, okay, 271 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:16,399 you also have a completely drugged out Robert Downey Junior 272 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:17,320 in this movie. 273 00:15:17,399 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: Why why why why why why? Mickey Miller always leaves 274 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,320 somebody aloft to tell the title we are your camera. 275 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:31,799 He so he spent time with somebody preparing for this movie. 276 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:34,559 Did you know this? This is Heraldo Rivera. It wasn't 277 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:38,960 Heroldo Rivera, although the interview is based on HAROLDO Rivera's 278 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,360 interview of Charles Manson. Yes, but there was a guy 279 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:48,279 named Steve Dunleavy who was an Australian TV shock jock 280 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:53,080 guy and he was like Access Hollywood or something like 281 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,120 that shows he was one of those guys, and so 282 00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:57,879 he hung out with him the whole time. And because 283 00:15:57,879 --> 00:16:01,120 he's Australian, that's how Robert and Junior said, I want 284 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,600 Wayne Gailee to have an Australian accent. Okay, you didn't 285 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:07,200 like the part. I didn't like this movie, but oh 286 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,039 he gave it away. I mean, you know, Robert. 287 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: Downey Junior on drugs is still incredibly talented. I mean, 288 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,960 this is after chaplain. I mean, he's killing it. He's 289 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,799 killing it, but his demons are on the surface. 290 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: Here. 291 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,759 Speaker 2: Now you've got you got Tom Sizemore, who plays Detective Scagnetti. 292 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,039 Speaker 1: Right cop in One Cop and the Other Yep, yeah, 293 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,639 and he's kind of He takes off his shirt and 294 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,919 tells him that she wants he wants her to squeeze 295 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,559 his nipple as he kisses her in her jail cell. 296 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,039 Speaker 2: When he wakes her up, she like like Juliet Lewis, 297 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,399 actually punches him and breaks his nose in that scene. 298 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,080 And you can hear him say, I think he broke 299 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,039 my nose. That's real. 300 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,759 Speaker 1: She actually broke his nose. 301 00:16:46,879 --> 00:16:50,279 Speaker 2: Yes, according to him, she really really did. Yes, Okay, 302 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,879 that's interesting. Then you have Tommy Lee Jones as the warden. 303 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: Precursor to two Face. By the way, that movie might 304 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,360 be in a What the heck Happened? Not maybe that 305 00:17:01,399 --> 00:17:02,919 movie but the follow up. 306 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to talk about that next season. 307 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,160 When he got his haircut for this movie, they said, 308 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:08,839 how do you want it cut? He said, I want 309 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:11,440 it to look like a fifty seven Chevy And that's 310 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:12,640 how his hair looks. 311 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: Does have the kind of ends in the back it does. 312 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,839 Speaker 2: How about Rodney Dangerfield as Juliet Luce's dad. 313 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 3: Going good No, Jack Nicky's. 314 00:17:28,039 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: Back disturbing, And I mean again, it's this idea of 315 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:35,279 taking people's real life tragedy, and this is all all 316 00:17:35,319 --> 00:17:38,200 over Stone in the original script. It just kind of 317 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,640 breezed by the fact that they murdered the parrots, and 318 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,640 there was no talk in the original script of her 319 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,799 being molested or the mom abiding while it happened. That 320 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,720 was all Stone and his producers doing that. But I 321 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,519 thought it was effective in its intent to make you uncomfortable. Well, 322 00:17:54,519 --> 00:17:57,240 it definitely made me uncomfortable. Yeah. I want my Rodney 323 00:17:57,279 --> 00:17:59,640 Dangerfield to be funny and sarcastic, and I want my 324 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,279 Woody to be Goofy exactly. 325 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,519 Speaker 2: I want Whatdy boyd, and I want al Chirvik. 326 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:03,839 Speaker 1: You know. 327 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: Now, Rodney Dangerfield's wife is Edie McClure. She plays Grace 328 00:18:09,759 --> 00:18:14,720 from Ferris Bueller's Day Off nine. She's also the ticket 329 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:16,599 lady in Planes, Trains and Automobiles. 330 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:17,759 Speaker 1: She was a member of the Groundling. 331 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,319 Speaker 2: She was also back to school with Roddy Dangerfield. Oh 332 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,559 that's right, Yeah, she was taking notes for him. Here's 333 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:25,039 a couple of names I want to bring up. You 334 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:26,519 have Stephen Wright, the comedian. 335 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, which, by the way, throw back to Reservoir Dogs. 336 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,960 He's the DJ who introduces all of the songs, including 337 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,039 Stuck in the Middle with You on Reservoir Dog. You 338 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:37,799 have Balthazar Geddy. Oh yeah, because when I saw him coming, 339 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,240 I'm like, do we have another young Guns connection here? Yes? 340 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 3: Too? 341 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the Prince of Pistoliers. 342 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:47,759 Speaker 1: Do you know who his granddad is? Geddy the Geddy 343 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,079 John Paul Getty is his granddad. Wow. 344 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 2: Okay, you also have grand l Bush as a prison 345 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,599 inmate in Natural Bar Killers. 346 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: Really, I didn't see John's to know the other one. Yeah, 347 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,920 that's right. Yeah, huh no, I missed that. Now the 348 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,240 one of the prisoner that I did see, and this 349 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,960 is only because I just watched Austin Powers with My 350 00:19:09,039 --> 00:19:13,559 boys recently. Okay. The guy who the white guy in 351 00:19:13,599 --> 00:19:16,720 the who's got the shaved head, who eventually like gets 352 00:19:16,839 --> 00:19:19,440 riled up and goes and smashes the TV with the 353 00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:23,039 chair in the prison that starts the riot. He's the 354 00:19:23,319 --> 00:19:26,400 Irish guy who does number two work for like he 355 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:30,440 leaves his lucky charms wherever he goes. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, 356 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,519 that's the guy from Austin Boer. Okay. 357 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 2: You also have Mark Harmon as Mickey Noggs in the 358 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,319 TV version. You have Adrian Brody in this movie as 359 00:19:40,319 --> 00:19:41,160 one of the cameramen. 360 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:47,039 Speaker 1: Really yes, I did not see him either, yow okay. 361 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:49,039 Speaker 2: And then just on the cutting room floor, you also 362 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,440 have Ashley Judd and Dennis Leary. 363 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:52,039 Speaker 1: Okay. 364 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,599 Speaker 2: Kind of full of people in this right, Yeah, that 365 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,759 doesn't for the cast. I did want to mention something 366 00:19:56,799 --> 00:19:58,440 about one of the locations in this movie. 367 00:19:58,559 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, when Mickey. 368 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:02,079 Speaker 2: Allery get married, they're kind of on the edge of 369 00:20:02,079 --> 00:20:04,319 a bridge and this is big overlook. I have been 370 00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:07,519 on that bridge many times. It's just outside of Taos, 371 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:10,279 New Mexico, and it goes over the Rio gram and 372 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:13,200 it is a big, beautiful bridge. You actually get a 373 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,160 good look at it in the movie Twins. 374 00:20:15,519 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: Okay, can we talk soundtrack for just a minute. Am 375 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,480 I going to surprise you with who the guys are 376 00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:22,880 on these two movies? Do you know who they are? 377 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,079 Hans Zimmer? Okay, So, Hans Zimmer is the composer for 378 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,079 True Romance, And let me just play you one song. 379 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,400 It's one song that's his on this one that is 380 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,519 I just thought, this is beautiful and as soon as 381 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:38,680 the and it starts playing as soon as the movie 382 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,079 comes on, and I immediately paused the movie and I went, 383 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,240 who is the composer on this? Because it's fantastic And 384 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:49,039 this is Hans Zimmer. He's beginning his career at this point. 385 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,240 He's done a few movies before this. He'd been in 386 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:56,759 The Buggles too. Yes, yes, but this is one of 387 00:20:56,759 --> 00:21:00,279 his earlier movies that he was composer for. This song 388 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:01,240 is called You're So Cool. 389 00:21:01,319 --> 00:21:01,519 Speaker 4: Yeah. 390 00:21:01,519 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: I love that, man, it makes me feel good. Oh yeah, 391 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:07,240 it's kind of fun. What is it like a xylophone? 392 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,839 Probably it's called You're So Cool and you know, which 393 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,960 comes straight from the line of the movie. But it's 394 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:15,759 just the movie starts off with that and has that 395 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,519 kind of it's almost like a calming, reassuring thing in 396 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:24,279 this movie that's packed with violence and chaos. Now, can 397 00:21:24,319 --> 00:21:28,240 you tell me who the composer was for Nature Born Killers? 398 00:21:28,319 --> 00:21:31,440 I think it's is a Trent Reznor. It is Trent Resnor. 399 00:21:31,519 --> 00:21:34,880 That was correct, So Trent Resnor. I said he watched 400 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,480 this movie fifty times, fifty times to get in the 401 00:21:39,519 --> 00:21:43,720 mood to make the soundtrack to this one. He suggested 402 00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:46,799 to Oliver Stone that they try to turn the soundtrack 403 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,440 into a collage of sound, kind of the way the 404 00:21:50,519 --> 00:21:54,680 movie used music, like making all those fast edded cuts 405 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:59,039 and adding dialogue and making something crazy interesting rather than 406 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,079 just a bunch of old nails music. Right, what they 407 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,559 ended up with it was a song burn by nine 408 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:07,000 inch Nails or that one for you. Now, Okay, that's 409 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:10,759 not that so that's cool. Even like the Hans Zimmer version, 410 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,000 this one plays right into that chaotic makes you want 411 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:19,039 to kill somebody style. And I have to think that 412 00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:22,759 David Fincher was thinking about that whenever he decided to 413 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:25,759 pull some music for seven. Yeah, what are we going 414 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:26,599 to talk about seven? 415 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 2: We need to Okay, I've got just a couple of 416 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,400 tidbits that we haven't covered, Okay, that I want to. 417 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: Drop on you real quick. Yeah sounds good, all right? 418 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,839 Speaker 2: So for Natural Born Killers. Quentin Tarantino has said many 419 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:40,119 times that he hates the movie. He hadn't watched it 420 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,599 all the way through. He thought that Oliver Stone didn't 421 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,359 do a great job with it. In fact, he got 422 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,960 to that part where it's like the I love Lucy, 423 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,799 I love Mallory, I love Mallory TV show. Right. He 424 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,920 said he bumped into Johnny Cash one time in an 425 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,799 elevator and Johnny Cash is like, hey, I just want 426 00:22:56,839 --> 00:22:59,079 to let you know me and June we love your 427 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:02,319 your movie. Quin Turney, He's like, oh really what and 428 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,240 he's like Natural Born Killers, we just love that movie. 429 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:13,519 Quentin Tarantina's like, thank you very much, but he hates it. Also, 430 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:19,519 the prison scenes were shot at Stateville Correctional Facility where 431 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,319 Bad Boys and the Blues Brothers was shot. According to 432 00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:28,000 Woody Harrelson, Robert Downey Jr. Was very popular with some 433 00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:32,000 of the inmates. They recognize him switching over to True Romance. Okay, 434 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,519 Tony Scott would slap Patricia Arquette to get her ready 435 00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:40,079 to film her scene. Okay, like actually slapping her around 436 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:40,720 once again? 437 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: Weird acting, my boy? Yeah, right, did she ask him 438 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:45,680 to slap her? 439 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: It's just how they got ready for it. And then 440 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,319 Senator Bob Dole sided both. Roll Right cited both True 441 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,319 Romance and Natural Born Killers as movies that revel in 442 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,000 the mindless violence and loveless set. Going after both of. 443 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: These movies, well something to it. 444 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 2: I also read that Oliver Stone wanted Natural Born Killers 445 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:11,400 to be kind of like an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. Yeah, 446 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,480 I don't see that at all. 447 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: No, And it was the Waco Nancy Kerrigan, Rodney King, 448 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,839 oj Simpson, all of that stuff about changed his mind 449 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:23,039 on it. 450 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, we ready to do final judgment. 451 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,799 Speaker 1: Let me tell you about We talked about how life 452 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:32,039 imitates art, that imitates life, that imitates ore. Yeah yeah, 453 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,599 the copycats. Yeah yeah, Okay, so copycat crime number one 454 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:40,319 right here. In her home state of Oklahoma, Miscogy, Oklahoma. 455 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,960 March fifth, nineteen ninety five, Sarah Edmondson and her boyfriend 456 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,759 Benjamin Darris, both eighteen, spent a night alone together at 457 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:52,960 her family's cabin in miscog Y, Oklahoma. They watched Natural 458 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,480 Born Killers. Two days later, they left the cabin, packed 459 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:00,279 everything into his niece on Maxima, and also brought a 460 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,240 thirty eight caliber revolver. They said they were going to 461 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:06,319 go watch a Grateful Dead concert in Memphis, Tennessee. What 462 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,039 they did instead was they went to Hernando, Mississippi, where 463 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,400 Daris killed a cotton mill manager named William Savage by 464 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,920 shooting him twice in the head at point blank range, 465 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,279 and then took a piece of the bloodstained fabric as 466 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,599 a souvenir, and then later he just talked openly about it. 467 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,160 I don't know, why did you all the trouble to 468 00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:30,720 drive all the way down to Mississippi just to go 469 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:33,160 ahead and tell everybody about it. Anyway, But then they 470 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:38,000 went to Panshuatula, sorry if I'm pronouncing that wrong, Louisiana, 471 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,680 and they shot Patsy Byers, a convenience store cashier. She 472 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,160 survived but was rendered a quadriplegic, and the guy that 473 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,880 they had murdered happened to be a friend of John Grisham, 474 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,400 who then publicly bashed Oliver Stone for being irresponsible in 475 00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:59,720 making the movie. And by July of that year, the 476 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:03,160 woman and who had become a paraplegic, Buyers sued not 477 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,359 only the people that shot her, but also sued the 478 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,000 Time Warner Company and Oliver Stone. Ultimately, the case initially 479 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,039 got dismissed on First Amendment grounds, and then it got 480 00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:19,160 reinstated by the Louisiana Court of Appeals, and then ultimately 481 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,119 was dismissed not until March of two thousand and one, 482 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,839 on the grounds that there was no evidence that either 483 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,759 Time Warner or Oliver Stone had intended to incite the violence. Okay. 484 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,279 Sarah Edmondson has now been released on parole in Oklahoma 485 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,559 after serving less than twelve years of a thirty year sentence. 486 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,920 Her parole will end next year. Now that was just one. 487 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,880 There was also a nineteen ninety six a school shooting 488 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:50,799 in Frontier Middle School where the kid was inspired by 489 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,880 national born killers had seen in a bunch of times, 490 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,559 came in like a bandaleero, like guns and straps and 491 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,839 even a duster, and started shooting people. Nineteen ninety seven 492 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,079 another high school, Heath High School shooting in West Pataducah, Kentucky, 493 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,920 and then, of course nineteen ninety nine Columbine High School massacre. 494 00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:16,920 They routinely, in their conversations to each other before they 495 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,240 went and killed their schoolmates, talked about in be kaing 496 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,359 people natural born killers. 497 00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:27,759 Speaker 2: Okay, so there you go, and on that happy note, 498 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,519 let's talk about our final judgment. 499 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: Okay, you ready, I'm ready? Should I go first? You 500 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,720 should go first? All right? 501 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 2: This is absolutely no contest. This is a complete mismatch. 502 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: For me. 503 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 2: True romance is a lot of fun. It's interesting, it's violent, 504 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,400 but it's gripping. And thrilling and fun, and it's romantic. 505 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,720 I think it's a very romantic movie. I buy the 506 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,880 love story between Clarence and Alabama. I love them as 507 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,640 a couple. I'm glad that they survive. I feel happy 508 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,880 at the end of this movie. Okay, natural Born Killers. However, 509 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,319 I don't like any of these characters. I despise all 510 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,480 of them. I don't care who survives at the end 511 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,440 of this movie. Uh huh, it doesn't. I'm not cheering 512 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,960 for anybody. When Robert Downey Junior gets blown away, I 513 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,160 don't care. I don't like any of these people. Natural 514 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,960 Born Killers didn't do it for me. Jeff Johnson has 515 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,839 tried to talk me into liking this movie. For me, 516 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,559 this is absolutely one percent true romance, not even close. 517 00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:31,039 Speaker 1: When you got done watching this movie, you texted me 518 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,480 and said, please don't ever make me watch this pile 519 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,440 of crap again. Yes, that's it. So I was like, Okay, well, 520 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,880 it's been thirty years since I've seen this movie. Really, 521 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,160 so I guess I need to check again. And so 522 00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,319 I've watched it since you described it as a heaping 523 00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:50,880 dung heap or whatever. But I didn't hate it as 524 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,720 much as you did. I could see the point that 525 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,599 Stone was trying to make because I don't think he 526 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,960 has any desire to have people enjoy his movies, Like, 527 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:03,920 I don't think that's on his to do list. He 528 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,200 could care less about it, right, Ye, Like he's wanting 529 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:10,279 to make you feel something. Right, Like you watch the 530 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:12,640 end of Platoon. If you're happy at the end of that, 531 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,920 there's something wrong with you. Sure. Same thing for Born 532 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,000 on the fourth of July. Same thing for Wall Street. 533 00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:20,559 I mean, none of his movies. So if you're walking 534 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:24,200 into an Oliver Stone movie expecting a you know, driving 535 00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:26,680 off into the sunset, and you're win a bago with 536 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,599 a happy, married couple and two little kids, well you 537 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,160 get that in this movie, you do. It's just that 538 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,880 they happen to be mass murderers who you should not 539 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,279 be rooting for, right. But I thought that his idea 540 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,359 was effective on this kind of juxtaposition of the media 541 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,200 covering these horrific things but doing it in such a 542 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,039 way that they're trying to entice people to listen. And 543 00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:53,319 what spawned from that is true crime is the most 544 00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:57,519 popular podcast format in the world. People love it. I 545 00:29:57,559 --> 00:29:59,640 don't get it. I've never been. I guess I do 546 00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:01,519 kind of to get it, because yes, it has some 547 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:04,279 interesting me but for people to just be fascinated and 548 00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:07,160 listen to, like I said, that would rip away my soul. Right, 549 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:10,480 So watching this movie once every thirty years is about 550 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:14,680 right for me. Right. I enjoyed it For what he 551 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,359 was trying to do. He's trying to make a point. 552 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,599 I think the point was well made. I think he 553 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,279 went too far and did a bit too much with 554 00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:27,000 all of the weird you know them behind a screen 555 00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,599 where other things are going on and TV shows playing 556 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,359 in the window. Is there in a hotel room? And 557 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:39,680 this random headless corpse standing up every few minutes or so. 558 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,480 I just was like, what is that? Why is that 559 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:46,000 in here? Other than for shock value? Right like? And 560 00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:49,200 I just felt like he was like pushing that too hard? 561 00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:52,519 What can I do to shock you? And so, yeah, 562 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:55,960 I can see it as a monumental movie. Pulp fiction 563 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,480 changed the face of movies at that time, and everything 564 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,680 seemed to start imitating those kinds of movies from there 565 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,200 on out until we hit the twenty first century. But 566 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,000 compare that to True Romance, where you have Tony Scott, 567 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:15,720 a guy who made his fortune by making rock video movies, 568 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,839 right yeah, And so he took his same bag of 569 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,160 trips and he combined it with a script by Tarantino 570 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:27,480 where Tarantino's writing himself. And you put all of these 571 00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:32,839 lovable characters together, I mean, even the crappy Tom Sizemore 572 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,039 Cop and Crispin Cop, as slimy as those guys are, 573 00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:40,920 even Christopher Walking blowing away poor Dennis Hopper, there's something 574 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,960 enticing about all of them. And as you've pointed out, 575 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:46,960 unlike Natural Born Killers, where you're like, I don't really 576 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,039 care if the shark eats them. I'm happy for them 577 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:52,559 to die, right, I don't care about these people. In 578 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,720 True Romance, he absolutely makes you care about everybody, everybody, 579 00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:59,079 and it's not some sort of I want to punch 580 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,160 you in the gut kind of movie. It's a movie 581 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,920 that makes you want to enjoy the movie. And I 582 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,400 can't even figure out how it was a box office 583 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:12,319 bomb and Natural Born Killers was a financial success. But 584 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,960 in retrospect, I have to agree with you, True Romance 585 00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:18,880 holds out as the better movie. If I'm going to 586 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,960 sit down and watch a movie over and over again, 587 00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:22,680 it's going to be true Romance. If you want to 588 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,319 make me think every thirty years, then Natural Born Killer 589 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,920 is sure. True Romance is definitely the winner. Definitely the winner. Yeah, 590 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,839 I do want to tell you thank you. I had 591 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,640 not seen either one of these movies. 592 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: I had kind of a general idea what they were about. 593 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,480 But discovering True Romance would be kind of like the 594 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,799 equivalent of discovering like Beverly Hills Cop. I mean, it's 595 00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:43,839 just a movie that I really liked. I thought it 596 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,400 was really well done. I thought I had kind of 597 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,200 seen everything there was to see at that time period. 598 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,279 So for me, this was a big discovery of a 599 00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:52,400 movie that I really enjoyed. 600 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go. So, guys, tell us what 601 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,720 you think. Jeff Johnson's going to be hitting us up 602 00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,119 telling us why National Born Killers is so good, and 603 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,279 now I'm excited to hear his opinion on it. But 604 00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:04,759 tell us what you think. Have you seen True Romance? 605 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,680 Most people have. If you haven't, go watch it. It 606 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:11,039 is worth the rewatch. I got one little tidbit for you. 607 00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ted Dance and Woody Harrelson have a podcast out 608 00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,599 right now, okay, and it's called Where Everybody Knows Your Name? 609 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,079 It's great man together, Sam and Woody. 610 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. Great you like podcasts, check 611 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,880 it out, love it well, guys, it was It's been fun. 612 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:28,400 Catch us next week. 613 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: Next week we're diving into the seventies d super Tramp 614 00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:34,440 Breakfast in America. 615 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: This is an underrated gym and the reason that we're 616 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,799 covering this one, we're going to be comparing it to Yes, 617 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:44,759 I Know one, thank you. I always want to say 618 00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:48,640 nine O two one of them. But these are two bands, 619 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,799 especially super Tramp, that just absolutely fly under the radar, 620 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,039 Like nobody talks about super Tramp, but you will routinely 621 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:02,559 hear songs specifically off of this album to this day 622 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,400 on the radio and they just go by and you 623 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,680 just like, oh, I love that song. Right, nobody could 624 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,960 lose in that. Hey, this is super Tramped. At least 625 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,679 that's the way it was for me. And so I'm 626 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,360 excited to cover what I consider these two supremely underrated 627 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,920 bands and underrated albums. Should be fun. 628 00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:25,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, see you next week.