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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan raybz Coso.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, welcome back our number two here on a Wednesday night,

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<v Speaker 2>and Marita and I thought that it might be good

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<v Speaker 2>tonight to talk for a little while about utility bills

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<v Speaker 2>here in Massachusetts. There's a been a real cry and

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<v Speaker 2>outrage by customers of many of the utilities. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>focusing on any specific utility. Most of us in Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a choice simply because you kin'd have different

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<v Speaker 2>gas lines and different electric lines, and so depending upon

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<v Speaker 2>the community in which you live, you have to be

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<v Speaker 2>serviced by the utilities that provide those services in your

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<v Speaker 2>town or in your And last November, apparently on November first,

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Public Utilities granted went fairly unnoticed by

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<v Speaker 2>the major media outlets and certainly not by the politicians.

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<v Speaker 2>As I understand it, the DPU, the Department of Public Utilities,

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<v Speaker 2>gave the utilities here, the big businesses that provide electricity

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<v Speaker 2>and gas service to us here in the coldest region

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<v Speaker 2>of the country, and by the way, a region of

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<v Speaker 2>the country that is very far away from the production

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<v Speaker 2>centers in the country. We have had people here in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure in other states who have not wanted

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<v Speaker 2>more gas lines to be buried underground. And a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of those folks are what's called nimby. Not in my backyard.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an old story. I think most of us understand

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<v Speaker 2>what that means that when all of a sudden they

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<v Speaker 2>want to bring another gas line in, either from the

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<v Speaker 2>southwest somewhere, or Pennsylvania or Canada, you get a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of pushback from people. And when it turns winter time

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<v Speaker 2>and the demand for these energy supplies, whether again it's

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<v Speaker 2>electricity or gas or I guess also you know the

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<v Speaker 2>oil costs people who rely upon oil to heat their homes.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure the oil prices have skyrocketed as well. This

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<v Speaker 2>will give you an opportunity to join the conversation. Tell

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<v Speaker 2>us what it's been like in your community. I've done

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of I guess you'd call it homework.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to try to do a little homework on

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff. And the easiest way for me to do

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<v Speaker 2>homework is to look at my own bills and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what does what does this look like? And

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<v Speaker 2>it appears to me that in terms of my own situation,

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<v Speaker 2>without going into it deeply, I have you know, gas

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<v Speaker 2>and gas service and electric service. And it appears that

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<v Speaker 2>the gas service is up a little bit from a

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<v Speaker 2>year ago, and the cost of the the therms and

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<v Speaker 2>this would be the same cost for you, has have

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<v Speaker 2>gone up about you know, I guess you'd say probably

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<v Speaker 2>thirty percent. But the gas supply charge, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>which is based upon the number of therms that you have,

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<v Speaker 2>has gone up just a little bit, not a huge difference,

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<v Speaker 2>I am using. And I recognize that I'm using more

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<v Speaker 2>therms because January was a colder month. So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a huge argument with my my gas charge because

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<v Speaker 2>most of it, pretty apparent to me is a consequence

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<v Speaker 2>of the weather. And I do, and I really do

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<v Speaker 2>see it that way. And you know, I can complain

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<v Speaker 2>with the best of them, as I'm sure some of

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<v Speaker 2>you can complain as well. But when you start talking

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<v Speaker 2>about your electric charges again, you know, year to year,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to be trying to be honest, it looks as

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<v Speaker 2>if the generation supply charge that I'm paying, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously you're paying as well, has gone up about one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty percent. That's a big jump. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a big jump I actually used and you know all

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<v Speaker 2>of us can have you know, different levels. I did

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<v Speaker 2>use more electricity and my home is is heated in

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<v Speaker 2>some part by electricity. So and and I've had I've

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<v Speaker 2>had an increase, uh, no doubt. But some of the

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<v Speaker 2>increases that I've heard people talk about, some of the

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<v Speaker 2>increases have been just absolutely outrageous. Uh. And if if

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<v Speaker 2>you're somebody who has had a huge increase, I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from you. I'm looking at and again my

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<v Speaker 2>my bills. I see that the you know, the the supply,

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<v Speaker 2>the delivery charge uh, has has gone up. And it

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<v Speaker 2>does it fluctuates. Obviously, my my usage is really about

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<v Speaker 2>the same, but I'm paying more. Actually my usage, my

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<v Speaker 2>usage is less on a month to month basis this

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<v Speaker 2>year for some reason, I can serve it actually more,

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<v Speaker 2>but it still costs a lot of money. So I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to open up the lines and give you

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to comment on this. Now here's my problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed today that I think the governor had initially said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to get them to give people a five

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<v Speaker 2>percent decrease, and the companies have actually, in well ever

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<v Speaker 2>source to their credit has actually said that let me

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<v Speaker 2>quote you here, since following the dpu's direction last week

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<v Speaker 2>in the face of higher than normal natural gas bills,

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<v Speaker 2>they would reduce delivery rates by five percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>total bill. That's what the DPU directed them to do. Ever,

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<v Speaker 2>so as we filed a plan earlier this week that

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<v Speaker 2>makes a ten percent reduction to the local delivery adjustment

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<v Speaker 2>charge from March and April. Now, the problem is that

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<v Speaker 2>we're were the watchdogs. Where were the politicians who're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to follow this closely. The increase was granted in November,

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<v Speaker 2>So you've gotten bills now for November, for December, for January,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe depending upon when you bill hits, it could

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<v Speaker 2>be February as well. You're going to get a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a break in March in April, but then

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<v Speaker 2>that March and April break will be recouped by these

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<v Speaker 2>companies in the warmer months, summer months June, July, August,

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<v Speaker 2>and September. And I guess the governor today said that

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<v Speaker 2>she wants to file some legislation which is going to

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<v Speaker 2>mandate this or mandate that. Well, Governor, with all due respects,

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<v Speaker 2>who was watching the store in November, big staff, did

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<v Speaker 2>anyone say, hey, look, believe it or not. If we

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<v Speaker 2>have a cold winter here, we're going to get socked

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<v Speaker 2>with it. So who do you want to blame here?

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<v Speaker 2>I blame the politicians, to be really honest with you,

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<v Speaker 2>the gas companies and the electric companies. We can make them.

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<v Speaker 2>You can think of them as the bad guys because

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<v Speaker 2>the other people you're ready the check to. But it

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<v Speaker 2>would seem to me that November, December, January, now almost

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<v Speaker 2>through the end of February the first time we're thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about the governor's thinking about filing some legislation. Again, who

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<v Speaker 2>you elect is going to have an impact. Now, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to blame Governor Healy for not sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>that DPU meeting, but you would think that someone in

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<v Speaker 2>her staff should have sent to our governor. The DPU

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<v Speaker 2>just gave a rate increase which is not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be felt by people for a couple of months. But

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<v Speaker 2>when they do feel it, they're going to be outraged,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're going to be outraged at you, uh and

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<v Speaker 2>others at the State House. So let's open it up here.

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<v Speaker 2>Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,

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<v Speaker 2>nine three one ten thirty Does this concern you if

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<v Speaker 2>you are look If you're a homeowner, you've seen the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a renter. If you're a renter, many renters

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<v Speaker 2>pay their own electric and gas bills separately, you may

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<v Speaker 2>have seen the difference. And even if you're a renter

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<v Speaker 2>for whom your electric bill and your gas bill was take,

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<v Speaker 2>it was counted. And I don't know how many of

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<v Speaker 2>you are in that situation, you know that the costs

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be passed on to you, So let's

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<v Speaker 2>open them up. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Why

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<v Speaker 2>is it that with all these sharp politicians at the

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<v Speaker 2>state House, no one noticed this in November, in December,

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<v Speaker 2>or in January. And we can blame them, but they

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<v Speaker 2>don't care. They really don't care, okay, because they only

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<v Speaker 2>care when people howl with indignation. So let's do some howling.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming back on nights Side right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get right to the phones. But I was just

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the Globe report. John Chastow, who's been on

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<v Speaker 2>the show many times, says that today, meaning this day, Wednesday, Governor.

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<v Speaker 2>Healy spoke to the Great Boston Chamber of Commerce and

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<v Speaker 2>pledged today that she would file legislation to address energy

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<v Speaker 2>affordability and independence in coming weeks. Well, good for you, Governor,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little late for this winter, it seems to me,

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<v Speaker 2>Heally said. I know the bills, I get them myself. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a lot of people, Governor, who are not

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<v Speaker 2>making what the governor makes, and they're living in Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>as well, not making what the Speaker makes, not making

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<v Speaker 2>what the Senate President makes. They're the ones that are

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<v Speaker 2>really feeling it. The Massachuset Department of Public Utilities did

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<v Speaker 2>approve increases of ten to thirty percent last fall in

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<v Speaker 2>gas bills for the six month heating season, in part

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<v Speaker 2>because of rising costs associated with the state's mass Save

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<v Speaker 2>Energy efficiency program and gas pipeline replacement projects. Hey, let

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<v Speaker 2>me tell you something. A lot of people have fought

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<v Speaker 2>against gas line replacement projects because they don't want them

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<v Speaker 2>in their backyard. And that's a problem. You know, nobody

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<v Speaker 2>wants the inconvenience of gas pipelines in your community, but

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<v Speaker 2>you sure want the gas when it turns cold. In

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<v Speaker 2>January and February, and December. The governor told reporters should

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<v Speaker 2>be looking at discounts, red tape that can be eliminated,

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<v Speaker 2>and programs that are not working effectively and should be changed,

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<v Speaker 2>though she didn't name a particular program. She needs more

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<v Speaker 2>conversations with her Secretary of Energy, Rebecca Kepper. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>tell you reactive that's reactive, that is not proactive. They

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<v Speaker 2>should have been thinking about this last September, last October,

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<v Speaker 2>and they should have been talking with the DPU, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of us would be better shaped financially as a result.

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<v Speaker 2>But you live in a one party state, you get

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<v Speaker 2>one party state government. Let's go to the phones. Barry

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<v Speaker 2>in Norwell, very welcome. You are first this hour on

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<v Speaker 2>night Side. Yeah. I can't make sure you turned that

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<v Speaker 2>radio down because it's gonna be a little distracting and

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<v Speaker 2>confusing if you have that on in the background.

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<v Speaker 3>Go right ahead, Barry. I'm your bookstore owner.

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<v Speaker 4>And the.

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<v Speaker 3>Chuggers I almost fell over the other day were like

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<v Speaker 3>nine for a month.

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<v Speaker 2>Was electricity, electricity gas or what was it?

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<v Speaker 3>It was the election tricity and plus the gas, the

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<v Speaker 3>two of them together, Okay, And I know they've worked

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<v Speaker 3>in combination because I have like a heat pump that

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<v Speaker 3>they put in and this heat pump thing is is

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<v Speaker 3>it's all due are Matt same? This not safe program

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<v Speaker 3>is a huge waste of money, taxpayer money. They've been

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<v Speaker 3>at it for years and they go around and they

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<v Speaker 3>these kids say they try to get into a an

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<v Speaker 3>evaluation so called and they they then they put in

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<v Speaker 3>a oh you're going to get this and that they'll

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<v Speaker 3>put in a programmable thermostat like book, do you do?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you need that for? It's only confusing, And

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<v Speaker 3>then they'll give you insulation, baby, and they try to

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<v Speaker 3>push a heat pump and they say, oh, you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to get a free you know, a free replacement. They

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<v Speaker 3>cost you ten thousand dollars to replace an oil burner.

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<v Speaker 3>I know because I had a three family in Dorchester

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<v Speaker 3>and they were all over me for that. And it

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<v Speaker 3>turns out there's no savings at all. It's Matt saying.

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<v Speaker 3>They hire a lot of people to go around and

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it's for the climate crisis, whatever that is.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a big government waste of money that adds

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of money to the gas bill. And the

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<v Speaker 3>Globe the other day actually admitted that that that was

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you it's a program that everyone pays for.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know what your experience has been with it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a program that I would suggest people take

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<v Speaker 2>advantage of because many people live in homes that are

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<v Speaker 2>not insulated properly and insulation. You know, I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're criticizing it, but I think there's a

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<v Speaker 2>benefit to the program. But if people don't take advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of it, they're still paying for it because we all

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<v Speaker 2>pay for it. If you know what I'm trying to say.

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<v Speaker 3>Mhm, it's it's hey, it has it's it's benefits, I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think they're taking advantage of us. And the

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<v Speaker 3>layers that they add in to the government program is

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<v Speaker 3>not is not efficient at all. They're trying to trying

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<v Speaker 3>to say it's for efficiency, and now they're blaming oh,

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<v Speaker 3>the landlord only benefits, not the renter. So they're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>add in a search charge for the landlord and to

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<v Speaker 3>take away money that always so supposedly saved that.

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<v Speaker 2>Way by the way. That Yeah, that to me is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>That aspect of it, if that's true, is ridiculous. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you think about the governor today? She makes a

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<v Speaker 2>speech like she's gonna file legislation. I would simply say

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<v Speaker 2>to the governor, Governor, where have you been? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I think she's she's dishonest.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think necessarily she's dishonest. I think she's

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<v Speaker 2>caught Her staff has led her down. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when the DPU allowed these increases last November, there should

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<v Speaker 2>have been somebody who said to her, Oh, by the way, Governor,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know, next winter, if it gets a

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<v Speaker 2>little cold around here, and it does tend to get

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<v Speaker 2>cold in the wintertime, you might have some people who

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<v Speaker 2>are upset. But to talk today, well, she has no

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<v Speaker 2>specifics at this speech in front of the Chamber of

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<v Speaker 2>Commerce today. Clearly she's caught off balance here and bad

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<v Speaker 2>staff work and not thinking ahead. It's as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're in a one party state. The Republicans weren't

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<v Speaker 2>screaming and yelling about the DPU increases. They should have

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<v Speaker 2>been screaming and yelling. I blame the Republicans too. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they're not paying No one pays attention to them.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the cast of gas is excuse me, it

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<v Speaker 3>is high. If it goes up even more, it'll be higher.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody has to pay their gas. But to add in

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<v Speaker 3>these programs, the government programs, I think, I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's a benefit to the people whether you get

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<v Speaker 3>insulation or not. It's it's just a phony government program.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it's it's uh, look for enough, Barry.

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<v Speaker 2>We can we can agree to disagree on that. I

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<v Speaker 2>think again, if your house is not insulated, it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to cost you more to heat during the winter time.

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<v Speaker 2>And the program is there and the insulation is not, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're almost giving the insulation away. There's not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of uh, there's not a lot of cost associated

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<v Speaker 2>with that. But but I understand the point you're making.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think the program is there to take advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of it. But but I appreciate your perspective. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see if other people happen to agree with you

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<v Speaker 2>and have the same point of view.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, Thank you, Thank you for Paul,

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<v Speaker 3>and have a good time YouTube Berry.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk to you soon, okay. Got one line at six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty and one line at six one seven,

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<v Speaker 2>nine three one ten thirty. What's the problem I mean, eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it has to be the political leadership. I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea of what is going on in other states,

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<v Speaker 2>and if other states are asleep at the switch, will

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<v Speaker 2>shame on them. If there's another state where things are

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<v Speaker 2>going well and I don't know what it's like in

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<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire. I don't know what it's like in Vermont

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<v Speaker 2>or Man. Obviously cold winter time in New England, prices

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<v Speaker 2>are going up. We're gonna have to pay more. But

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<v Speaker 2>how can the DPU grant ten and thirty percent increases

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<v Speaker 2>and it goes unnoticed by the political leadership they supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to they're supposed to represent us. We'll be back on nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>Got the news at the bottom of the hour. Be

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<v Speaker 2>right back. Let's keep it going.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WZ Boston's

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<v Speaker 1>news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here we go back to the phones. They're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to Debbie in Hoper. DEBI welcome, You're next

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside. Thank you for waiting.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you. I'm just calling because you're saying a year

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<v Speaker 5>ago these rats were approved. How about three years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, let me hold on for a second. It

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<v Speaker 2>was this particular rates were approved by the DPU this

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<v Speaker 2>past November, so it's really now four months ago, November, December, January, February.

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<v Speaker 5>Go right ahead, well back two years ago rates were

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<v Speaker 5>approved by the state legislature sixty four percent for national

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<v Speaker 5>grade and forty six percent that ever saw, okay, and

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<v Speaker 5>that since then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hold on for a second, if I could. It's

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<v Speaker 2>my understanding, uh, And I always leave open the possibility

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<v Speaker 2>that I can be wrong. You know, someone, if I

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<v Speaker 2>say to you the sun's going to rise tomorrow in

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<v Speaker 2>the east, I guess there's a possibility it doesn't rise

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<v Speaker 2>at the east tomorrow. We're ever all out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>But so my understanding is that the legislature has passed

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<v Speaker 2>on this responsibility to the Department of Public Utilities.

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<v Speaker 5>And what happened, Well, they're the ones that got us

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<v Speaker 5>in this mess, and they should them and I had

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<v Speaker 5>put I had gotten.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just finish this explanation if I can, and again,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be happy to give you your you know, your

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<v Speaker 2>your commentary. I want to go to say. What happens

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<v Speaker 2>is the utilities will file every year with the Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Public Utilities a proposal they want to increase their

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<v Speaker 2>rates by X and then they have hearings and testimonies,

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<v Speaker 2>and generally it takes place in the summer and fall,

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<v Speaker 2>and generally sometime in the middle of the fall, the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Public Utilities will say, Okay, you can increase

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<v Speaker 2>this rate five percent or whatever. And the reason that

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<v Speaker 2>the legislature does that is they don't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the position of the legislature having to vote and

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<v Speaker 2>say we're going to raise Debbie's rates. Now, if there

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<v Speaker 2>was something that I missed, and if you're telling me

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<v Speaker 2>that the legislature raised rates sixty four percent, miss Debbie,

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<v Speaker 2>when did that happen? And what source are you citing

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<v Speaker 2>for me?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, it was in one of the news articles. I

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<v Speaker 5>have a cotton paste it. I'll send it to you

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<v Speaker 5>if you give me the email address. But they had

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<v Speaker 5>raised the rate, and then the following year, both utility

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<v Speaker 5>companies came back and said, oh, National Grid's going to

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<v Speaker 5>lower their rates to forty six percent. And I forget

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<v Speaker 5>whatever source it was left.

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<v Speaker 2>Do me a favor, Okay, why don't you if you

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<v Speaker 2>can find those that newspaper article easily tonight, Rob will

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<v Speaker 2>give you my email address and you can send that

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<v Speaker 2>to me and you can just if you give me.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't even have to, you know, scan and send

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<v Speaker 2>the newspaper article. But to the best of my knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>and I follow this stuff fairly closely, the legislature has

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<v Speaker 2>insulated themselves against having to raise the rates. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>why you have the Department of Utilities who does the

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<v Speaker 2>dirty work. But if you want to just send me

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<v Speaker 2>the if you want to, just send me the date

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<v Speaker 2>of the article and say that Dan, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>story that I've read on you know, November tenth, two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and twenty four or November fifth, twenty and twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll find it and i'll read it, and if you're correct,

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<v Speaker 2>and if I'm incorrect, I'll apologize over the ear. But mindustanding,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want.

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<v Speaker 5>You to apologize, and I'm just upset. I've been upset

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<v Speaker 5>since the day I read that those articles. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>just one article, it was on the news. It was

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<v Speaker 5>all speculation oil was going to hit eighty dollars a barrel.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was like, oh, wait, I know a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit about this stuff, So just beer with me for

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<v Speaker 5>a second right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oil is about seventy dollars a barrel. Oil nine Yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>oil at one point was up to one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty dollars a barrow, So we're going up to eighty

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a barrow would be an increase, but it would

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<v Speaker 2>be nothing. We oil got close to one hundred and fifty.

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<v Speaker 5>Dollars and that's zero during COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it didn't, it really got. It got very low

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<v Speaker 2>because obviously there was there was no gasoline, and the

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<v Speaker 2>cars weren't moving around. People were we were adapting, adapting

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<v Speaker 2>your your correct to this new lifestyle. Send me the article,

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<v Speaker 2>send me the dates, and we'll we'll talk about it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>okay on line well, no, find the article?

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<v Speaker 5>Fine, No, I mean waiting for Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Rob will cut pick you up as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as I say good evening, I'll say okay

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<v Speaker 2>to you and then leave your number with Rob and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll call you back and I'll say, gee, you were right,

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<v Speaker 2>you have you sent me this article. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it tomorrow night.

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<v Speaker 5>Fair enough, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Hang on, don't hang up. Rob will take care of that.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to go next to If you're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get in the lines at six one seven, two, five

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty A full dial six one seven nine, three, one,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. Let me go to Tom and Lynn. Tom,

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<v Speaker 2>you're next to the nightside.

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<v Speaker 6>Welcome Dan, not really off topic, I asked Brooksy. He says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>go ahead. I got my excise tax still last week, right.

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<v Speaker 6>I got a nineteen ninety nine Infinity twenty four to

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<v Speaker 6>twenty five years old. I says to my neighbors Sue,

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<v Speaker 6>what do you think my excise tax bill was? She says,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know. Twenty bucks? I asked my mechanic. The

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<v Speaker 6>guy from whom I bought the carriage is Ronnie. What

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<v Speaker 6>do you think my excise sax bill was? He says

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<v Speaker 6>not ten bucks, Dan, seventy two dollars. Okay, it's as

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<v Speaker 6>you said, the taxation policy in the state only when

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<v Speaker 6>you're moving, or only when you're not moving.

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<v Speaker 2>I can have when you do the way when okay, Tom,

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<v Speaker 2>let me let me hold you down for a second. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>as long as you own a vehicle in Massachusetts and

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<v Speaker 2>it has a value, whether it's a couple of thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars or five thousand dollars, what's your vehicle? What you

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<v Speaker 2>said it's a what did you say it was a Mercedes?

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<v Speaker 6>No, God, Infinity Infinity.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what do you think it's if you credit in, say,

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<v Speaker 6>Is not even one thousand bucks? It's it's twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I don't know. I'm not a car tom.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not a car expert. Okay, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>car expert. So there are some people who will say

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<v Speaker 2>that particular brand. If Scott and Larry were here, they

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<v Speaker 2>could pick a number out and they could say that Infinity,

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<v Speaker 2>what sort of shapes it mean? They could they could

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, I have a a very old Vovo. I

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<v Speaker 2>drive a Vovo, which is I think it was twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>not as old as your car. But you know they

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<v Speaker 2>are always going to tax you a little bit. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the seventy two dollars charge are for

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<v Speaker 2>your excise tax probably is more than you than it's

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<v Speaker 2>would be, but it will never get to zero as

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<v Speaker 2>long as you have it registered. Okay, tonight we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about electric prices, gas prices.

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<v Speaker 6>I know, I'm so mad.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just so mad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, do me a favorite. It's not worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>Go check your electric bill. Do you own your home?

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<v Speaker 6>No, I live in housing. I don't pay electric or

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<v Speaker 6>any utilities. I'm elderly for one thing, which I have.

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<v Speaker 2>We all get elderly. I'm elderly too. How who pays

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<v Speaker 2>your gas and electric?

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<v Speaker 6>City?

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<v Speaker 2>So you're in in City of Lynn housing?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, okay?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you pay a month for rent? And you're renting.

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<v Speaker 6>But thousand dollars okay, thousand.

433
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<v Speaker 2>Dollars a month okay, and you pay no electric in that,

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<v Speaker 2>So that thousand dollars a month by the city, pronounce

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<v Speaker 2>your electric and gas.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, you're pretty lucky.

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<v Speaker 6>I was looking at a go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm saying you're pretty lucky to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>And I know I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would focus from a mental health point of view. I

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<v Speaker 2>would truly focus on the winter time. If you were

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<v Speaker 2>living in an apartment that was, you know, a private apartment,

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<v Speaker 2>you probably would be paying. So so count count your

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<v Speaker 2>blessings in that regard. And some night we'll do something

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<v Speaker 2>on excise taxes and we'll give you a chance.

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<v Speaker 6>To I was looking at real estate yesterday. There's a

447
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<v Speaker 6>free paper from Saugust. The cheapest apartment I saw one

448
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<v Speaker 6>bedroom in West Lynne eighteen hundred dollars a month.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And does that include rent? Does that include gas

450
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<v Speaker 2>and electric probably.

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<v Speaker 6>Not no, no, and then it goes up from there.

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<v Speaker 6>You get the damage.

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<v Speaker 2>Mine foot. Tom. Tonight, before you go to bed, get

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<v Speaker 2>on your knees and thank the taxpayers of Massachusetts that

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<v Speaker 2>you're living for one thousand dollars a month. I hope

456
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<v Speaker 2>it's a nice apartment. I suspect it probably is a

457
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<v Speaker 2>nice apartment. You should, you should say that the taxpayers

458
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<v Speaker 2>of Massachusetts who are subsidizing that. Thanks and we will, we'll,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll go to battle for you on the excise tax

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<v Speaker 2>another night. Thanks thanks to being I.

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<v Speaker 6>I was in a service.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of us were.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean my mind that business about, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>thank the taxpayers. Hey, I did my I did my

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<v Speaker 6>four years.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that, Tom, and I'm not and thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for that service. But what I'm saying to you is

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<v Speaker 2>you are blessed to be in a situation where it's

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<v Speaker 2>costing you one thousand dollars a month and you're not

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<v Speaker 2>paying electricity and gas rates. Right now, That's all I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say to you. Be thankful for what you

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<v Speaker 2>have and and don't don't have a heart attack because

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<v Speaker 2>you're paying seventy two dollars in an excise tax. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to give you some advice that I think is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be good for your mental health. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to use a listener or a call er either. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Tom, talk to you soon. Good night. We'll take

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<v Speaker 2>a break, coming right back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio and skip Rowler.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to go to Joe and Medford. Joe, appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your patience. Next on Nightside, go right ahead, Joe.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello. Yes, I'm a former employee of National Grid. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>and some people may be interested to know that, at

486
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<v Speaker 4>least for the white collar employees, they're entitled to bonuses.

487
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<v Speaker 4>And I'm talking about tens and multiple tens of thousands

488
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<v Speaker 4>of dollars per employee.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I assume you were not a white white collar employee.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I am, Well you are, so.

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<v Speaker 2>How much would you get?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>You were still you said you are currently an employee

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<v Speaker 2>or reform employee, former former? Okay, when did you leave

495
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<v Speaker 2>National Grid?

496
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<v Speaker 4>Year ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Year ago? And how long? How many years had you

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<v Speaker 2>put in with them?

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<v Speaker 4>M I'd say six six?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Uh? And you were a white collar employee. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you get bonuses?

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<v Speaker 4>Yep? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you leave the Why that sounds like a pretty

504
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<v Speaker 2>good gig. Why'd you leave the company?

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<v Speaker 4>M tough place to work?

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<v Speaker 2>Tough place to work, meaning they were, uh demanding of

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<v Speaker 2>your time and all of that. Or what you're a

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<v Speaker 2>white collar right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, pressure cooker job?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what are you doing now? If I could ask.

511
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<v Speaker 4>Consultant?

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever people tell me they were a consultant, what type

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<v Speaker 2>of consulting do you do? That's kind of a big

514
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<v Speaker 2>umbrella term. I never quite understand that.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, software development.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're doing well, I hope, yeah, pretty good. Better

517
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<v Speaker 2>than National Grid.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't say that another thing people would be interested in.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you know that couple of years ago they gave

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<v Speaker 4>a dividend to at least the white collar employees of

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<v Speaker 4>hundreds of dollars to help defray the increase and utility bills.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't know that. But again, it sounds to

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<v Speaker 2>me like you were working for a great company and

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<v Speaker 2>you left voluntarily or did you Did you leave involuntarily?

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<v Speaker 4>Voluntarily?

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<v Speaker 2>Voluntarily and it was just the stress of the job.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you do that was so stressful there.

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<v Speaker 4>Software?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean software? I know what software is.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you what did? What were your duties? What

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<v Speaker 2>did you have to do? I mean, I gotta I

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<v Speaker 2>got to put a radio show on four hours a night,

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<v Speaker 2>five nights a week, okay, And I spent about eight

534
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<v Speaker 2>hours a day preparing for my show. A lot of time,

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest with you, And and I'm doing my

536
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<v Speaker 2>show in front of tens of thousands of people every night,

537
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<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot of pressure, but I enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds to me like you had a great gig

539
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<v Speaker 2>and you left it. I can't of imagine what sort

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<v Speaker 2>of pressure would have run you out the door. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's okay. You found you found a better job or

542
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<v Speaker 2>a job that's less stressful, and I hope you're doing

543
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<v Speaker 2>well with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Thanks so many hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I said life can be tough. Life can be tough, Joe,

546
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<v Speaker 2>As simple as that. Hey, Joe, I got to get

547
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<v Speaker 2>one more. Appreciate you, Carl, Thank you much. Let me

548
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<v Speaker 2>go to Jack in Somerset. Jack going to get you

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<v Speaker 2>in here under the wire before the ten o'clock news.

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<v Speaker 7>Go right ahead, okay, Dan, just a quick thought. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>an attorney. I've practiced for forty three years. I just

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<v Speaker 7>want to talk about the gentleman who was concerned about

553
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<v Speaker 7>his excise taxes. I was also I was also an

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<v Speaker 7>assessor for fourteen years. And of the chapter fifty on

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<v Speaker 7>the chapter fifty nine, excise taxes are not determined by

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<v Speaker 7>the current value of the vehicle. It's determined by the

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<v Speaker 7>manufacturers suggestive retail pride. So that's why that gentleman's tax

558
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<v Speaker 7>might be a lot higher than he thinks it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, So what you're saying is when he if

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<v Speaker 2>he bought the when the car was the manufacturer's really

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<v Speaker 2>uh suggested recently.

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<v Speaker 7>Manufacturers would be retail predate.

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<v Speaker 2>When the pres when the car was purchased, Oh.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, when the car was first when the manufacturer

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<v Speaker 7>put the car on the market. And then each year

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<v Speaker 7>it does go down by a percentage. I haven't been

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<v Speaker 7>an assessin now for about more than fifteen years, but

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<v Speaker 7>I was one for fourteen years, and I'm driving it.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't have the shot in front of me, but

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<v Speaker 7>the excise tax is not going to be he can

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<v Speaker 7>he can go to anybody who wants to determine what

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<v Speaker 7>the current value is it's not going to change his

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<v Speaker 7>exercise taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's he's.

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<v Speaker 4>Paying, he's paying.

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<v Speaker 2>He's paying seventy two dollars for ex dice tax. And

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<v Speaker 2>again he said, I forget the type car. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it was. Whatever the type car it was.

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<v Speaker 4>That he it was an idea.

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<v Speaker 7>I think he said it was a nineteen ninety nine Infinity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes he did, Yes he did, So that would been,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, considered a pretty good car when it was new.

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<v Speaker 7>He's probably paying an excise tax on of value. And

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<v Speaker 7>again i'm driving, I don't have a shot in front

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<v Speaker 7>of me, and I haven't been an assessor for quite

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<v Speaker 7>a few years, but I was one for fourteen years.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's going to be twenty percent of what

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<v Speaker 7>the manufacturers suggested retail price was on the car. That

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<v Speaker 7>will determine the current value, and that's how his excise

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<v Speaker 7>tax is calculated.

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<v Speaker 2>So, for example, hypothetically the car was forty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>when it was first bought, you know, out of the showroom.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're saying, they assume it's every year it

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<v Speaker 2>goes down a little bit. Look, I have a Vovo,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a twenty thirteen Vovo, and.

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<v Speaker 7>I think I've been paying the same excise tax for

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<v Speaker 7>the last five or ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty well. It's it's twenty thirteen. I've only owned

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<v Speaker 2>it eleven years, so it seems to have.

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<v Speaker 7>Stayed no matter how long you've owned it. It matter

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<v Speaker 7>is what year it was precast, I mean manufacturer I bought.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, again, Jack, appreciate it. I think we're saying the

603
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<v Speaker 2>same thing. I bought it new, and obviously the first

604
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<v Speaker 2>year out of the box, the excise tax hitching between

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<v Speaker 2>the eyes, and then it does go down and it

606
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<v Speaker 2>seems to have stabilize. So I'm at about eighty eight bucks. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's been the same, uh, which gives

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<v Speaker 2>credit to what your what your your credibility, what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 7>I appreciate it's it's mass chapter fifty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll be sure to look down one up tomorrow. Thanks. Jack,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you calling very much to thank you much. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that makes tom feel a little bit better. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to take a break here. Thanks. Uh. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>on the line, stay there. If you're not, I would

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<v Speaker 2>like to get back to the question of your electric bill,

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<v Speaker 2>your gas bill, uh, and how upset are you? And

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<v Speaker 2>who who who should be blamed for this? I look

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<v Speaker 2>at the politicians on Beacon Hill as the first suspects.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had some folks who have been pretty opinion here,

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<v Speaker 2>but feel free to join the conversation, opinionated or otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty and six

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<v Speaker 2>one seven nine three one ten thirty coming right back

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<v Speaker 2>after nights after this