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<v Speaker 1>Somebody who got out the boat, who sacrificed himself so

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<v Speaker 1>much so he sacrificed himself for his fellow students, giving

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<v Speaker 1>his life during a terrifying school shooting in twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>May of twenty nineteen at Stem School and Highlands Ranch.

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<v Speaker 1>Was eighteen year old Kendrick Castillo. A true hero in

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<v Speaker 1>the fullest sense of the word. And he's always just been,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, a guiding light for what it means to

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<v Speaker 1>be selfless, what it means to give of yourself in

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<v Speaker 1>this case as much as you can, giving his life,

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<v Speaker 1>saving fellow students and staff in the midst of terrifying

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<v Speaker 1>act of violence and terror. And now there's something very

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable afoot, and that is an effort that is beginning

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<v Speaker 1>the process to potentially bring sainthood for Kendrick Castillo as

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<v Speaker 1>a cause of canonization has begun in the Catholic Church,

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<v Speaker 1>stemming from Saint Mark Catholic Church in Highland's Ranch, which

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<v Speaker 1>is part of the Diocese of Colorado Springs. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a Catholic myself, and this, I think is a very

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable story, and I wanted to get a better understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of what's involved here, why, and what it means and

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<v Speaker 1>entails so on and so forth, and thought, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>why not invite someone from the parishon one of the

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<v Speaker 1>priests there is, in fact, Father Patrick de Loretto, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's kind enough to join us this afternoon to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this cause of canonization for Kendrick Castillo. Father, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to KOA. It's good to talk with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Jamy, thank you for having me on today.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for taking some time this afternoon. I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. Before we get to the reasons that we're

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<v Speaker 1>sort of motivating the cause of canonization, let's explain that

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<v Speaker 1>term cause of canonization in the term of siknhood in

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<v Speaker 1>the Catholic Church. What do those really mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, great question. Cause of canonization is a process in

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<v Speaker 2>which the Church does a very thorough investigation in the

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<v Speaker 2>entire over the entire life of an individual. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>a determined is this person they lead a holy life

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<v Speaker 2>on earth? Are they somebody who we should emulate? And

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<v Speaker 2>the Church through it, through its investigation, will encourage people, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>seek this person's intercession. If they are in fact in heaven,

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<v Speaker 2>their prayers should have a very powerful effect. And if

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<v Speaker 2>we have some miraculous event that happens from this, and

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<v Speaker 2>it does have to be a confirmed miracle that has happened,

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<v Speaker 2>that has to go through a board of doctors and

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<v Speaker 2>scientists to investigate it, to determine if there is any

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<v Speaker 2>natural reason for why this thing might have happened. And

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<v Speaker 2>if the Church gets two of those, then the Church

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<v Speaker 2>can say we are elevating this person to the title

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<v Speaker 2>of saints. They are somebody who the entire world should

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<v Speaker 2>look to as an example of how to follow after

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ, and who, after living such a heroic life,

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<v Speaker 2>is now in heaven with him and we should ask him,

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<v Speaker 2>as members of the body of the Body of Christ,

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<v Speaker 2>for his prayers to heave to our heavenly Father and

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<v Speaker 2>to our Lord Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>In that way then, or that similar vein why does

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<v Speaker 1>the Catholic Church have saints? And this goes back, of

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<v Speaker 1>course a very very long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes, very for the very foundings of the of

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<v Speaker 2>the Church. The saints are individuals who, again, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>are in heaven and as the Church and the members

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<v Speaker 2>of the Body of Christ, those here on earth are

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<v Speaker 2>connected through that sacramental mystery that is known as baptism.

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<v Speaker 2>Those in heaven are still members of the Church through

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<v Speaker 2>that aptismal sacraments which they receive on earth, and therefore

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<v Speaker 2>we are all still connected with the Church. Here on

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<v Speaker 2>earth is called the Church militant, the Church the pilgrim

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<v Speaker 2>church that is seeking to get its members into heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>And those who are in heaven already are called the

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<v Speaker 2>Church victorious. Those are the members who have, through the

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<v Speaker 2>grace of Jesus Christ, have come into heaven and are

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<v Speaker 2>now beholding in face to face. And we all are

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<v Speaker 2>the courage to tre for one another. Both those here

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<v Speaker 2>on earth and those in heaven are current are constantly

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<v Speaker 2>prank books we look to we would look to our

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<v Speaker 2>Lord saying there is more rejoicing in heaven of a

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<v Speaker 2>one repentant sinner than ninety ninety I had no need

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<v Speaker 2>of repentance. Well, okay, if those are in heaven are

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<v Speaker 2>rejoicing over something that is happening on earth, they're very

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<v Speaker 2>clearly aware of it. And as our brothers and sisters

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<v Speaker 2>in heaven, they are encouraged. They are following the commandments

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<v Speaker 2>of our Lord to pray for the fall of the

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<v Speaker 2>members of the Body of Christ. As we are here

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<v Speaker 2>on earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Real quickly, Reverend Patrick Dillaretto of Saint Mark, a Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>church in Highland's Ranch, just to sort of clear up,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of misconceptions about the idea of praying

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<v Speaker 1>to saints. A similarly for Mary, the Mother of Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>Mother of God. Can you clarify when there may be

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<v Speaker 1>a prayer to say you forget something? My mom always

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<v Speaker 1>has prayer to Saint Anthony. But what that what that

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<v Speaker 1>really entails for Catholics?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is? This is it the same principles? If

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<v Speaker 2>I ask you to pray for me here on earth,

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<v Speaker 2>is that I'm not asking you by your own power,

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<v Speaker 2>by your own authority to work something miraculous. I'm asking you,

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<v Speaker 2>as a member of the body of Christ, to pray

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<v Speaker 2>for me. So we get a whole host of people

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<v Speaker 2>interceding on it for a particular intention to our heavenly Father,

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<v Speaker 2>asking for a particular thing to be done. And those

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<v Speaker 2>in heaven are so much closer to Him than we

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<v Speaker 2>are here on earth, and so we certainly wish to

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<v Speaker 2>ask their intercession, saying, hey, please ask this favor for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm certainly it doesn't mean we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be praying for it ourselves. But we want to get

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<v Speaker 2>as many people as possible praying for a particular intention,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, disposing ourselves to the will of God, but

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<v Speaker 2>getting as many people to pray for an intention as

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<v Speaker 2>possible is always a great thing to have.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, So let's talk for a moment about the pathways

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<v Speaker 1>versus the process of canonization, the pathways towards sainthood and

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<v Speaker 1>the process of canonization, because there is a distinction there,

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<v Speaker 1>you were telling me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there is. There are three pathways in which a

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<v Speaker 2>cause of canonization can be opened. Two of them are

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<v Speaker 2>very traditional. The very first one is living a life

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<v Speaker 2>of heroic virtue, which is all right, maybe you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have an extraordinary death which you lay down your life

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<v Speaker 2>for our Lord, such as martyrdom, which is the other

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<v Speaker 2>the other traditional pathways, But you lived a life of

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<v Speaker 2>just giving yourself over to Christ, giving yourself over completely

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<v Speaker 2>to Him in the small things and in the big things.

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<v Speaker 2>And this can be seen through spiritual writings. We see

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<v Speaker 2>this in persons like Captain of Sieno, or the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the Sue, or Saint Anthony, where they gave themselves

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<v Speaker 2>in time, throughout their entire life over to Christ, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is heroic and something that ought to be emulated.

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<v Speaker 2>The other pathway, as I mentioned, is martyrdom, in which

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<v Speaker 2>you lay down your life in defense of the faith,

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<v Speaker 2>where somebody kills you out of hatred for the Christian faith.

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<v Speaker 2>And martyrs certainly go back to the early Church. You

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<v Speaker 2>see a whole host of them who are so famous

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<v Speaker 2>and their writings are so famous for us even today.

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<v Speaker 2>But we certainly have modern day martyrs as well as

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<v Speaker 2>we look to as like these are examples of heroic

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<v Speaker 2>virtue in times of incredible persecution that Christians ought to

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<v Speaker 2>look at as as as an example of hope of

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<v Speaker 2>holding on to our Lord Jesus Christ in the worst

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<v Speaker 2>possible moments. And the third and final pathway domanacustic anonization,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the most recent one and was only allowed

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<v Speaker 2>by Hope Francis in twenty seventeen, is and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to say the exact wording here the offering of one's

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<v Speaker 2>life heroically, so laying down your life up to save others,

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<v Speaker 2>but not necessarily out of uh uh defending the faith

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<v Speaker 2>or i martyrdom per se. And this one we could

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<v Speaker 2>look at you as as maybe an example of Hendrick

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<v Speaker 2>where he slewly did lay down his life to protect

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<v Speaker 2>his friends, to protect his classmates and his teachers from

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<v Speaker 2>this horrible student shooting. But those are the three pathways.

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<v Speaker 1>And in terms of pathways, it seems like that's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the basis for a being canonized, as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>say the process, which could last a very long time

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<v Speaker 1>and step by step, and we'll talk about the process

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<v Speaker 1>and in just a moment, Father Deloretto, But I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to ask in terms of Kendrick Castillo and this, this, this,

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<v Speaker 1>the pathways that you just explained about offering of one's

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<v Speaker 1>life heroically is a pathway that seems sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>most likely pathway for him. How has this been presented

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<v Speaker 1>to the Diocese of Colorado Springs to say, hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>would like you Bishop Golka, the Bishop of the Diocese

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<v Speaker 1>of Colorado Springs, to consider this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So when we hear at Saint Mark submitted our

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<v Speaker 2>eighty page petition to Bishop Bilko, we included in their

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<v Speaker 2>circumstantial evidence for all three potential pathways for opening a cause.

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<v Speaker 2>And we included all those because it is truly the

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<v Speaker 2>bishop's prerogatives to discern which one of these if any

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<v Speaker 2>am I going to pursue if I opened this cause

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<v Speaker 2>for canonization, and we wanted to give him as much

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<v Speaker 2>information as possible and as well as much as you

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<v Speaker 2>can in a concise form of eighty pages, but giving

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<v Speaker 2>him that information, and ultimately it's up for him to decide, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which one am I going to end to gate more

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<v Speaker 2>to pursue, because especially heroic virtue that you need to

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<v Speaker 2>look at all of Kendrick's writings throughout his entire life,

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<v Speaker 2>and it takes a long, long investigation into that before

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<v Speaker 2>you can send it on to the Vatican. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>all three are in Vishupolca courts, and we certainly don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to try to restrict him on any of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, so real quickly we'll just sum up what's the

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<v Speaker 1>process here for the potential canonization of somebody as a saint?

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<v Speaker 1>And how long can it take?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So what has to start initially as a bishop

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<v Speaker 2>or religious superior has to look at an individual and

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<v Speaker 2>say I want to open a cop and if there's

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<v Speaker 2>what we call a cult of veneration, which means there's

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<v Speaker 2>a popular piety amongst the people of God to seek

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<v Speaker 2>somebody's intercession, that is a great sign that there would

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<v Speaker 2>be support amongst the people of God to raise somebody

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<v Speaker 2>up to the title of sainthood. And that's where we're

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<v Speaker 2>at right now with Kendrick Castillo. Not that the Bishop

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<v Speaker 2>Bold has opened the cause formally yet, but right now

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<v Speaker 2>we're testing the waters seeing if there is in fact

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<v Speaker 2>that movement amongst the people of God to seek his

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<v Speaker 2>intercession and to want to raise him up to be

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<v Speaker 2>a saint. And certainly there's been a lot of very

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<v Speaker 2>positive momentum in that regard. And then once a cause

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<v Speaker 2>is officially opened and it is approved by the bishop

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<v Speaker 2>and it is being sent on to Rome, the person

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<v Speaker 2>is immediately granted the title of servant of God. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>servant of God means that your cause for canonization is

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<v Speaker 2>officially open. A diocese or religious order is actively pursuing

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<v Speaker 2>having in Canada, and the Vatican is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>investigating and looking through all the materials presented to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are a ton of materials that goes into

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<v Speaker 2>these cases. And once the Vaticant comes back with a

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<v Speaker 2>decision on the person's life, if, for example, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at heroic virtue, they're going to go through all

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<v Speaker 2>of those papers. They're going to go through all the writings,

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<v Speaker 2>and if they come back with a favorable physician saying

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<v Speaker 2>yes he did in fact or she in fact lived

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<v Speaker 2>a heroic life, we are going to call her venerable.

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<v Speaker 2>And venerable is not saying the person is in heaven,

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<v Speaker 2>but merely that they are in fact they were heroic,

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<v Speaker 2>they were virtuous, and they should be somebody to They

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<v Speaker 2>are somebody that we should ought to admire or for

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<v Speaker 2>their virtue and their heroic or their heroic actions. And

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<v Speaker 2>then if somebody is declared with martyr, they don't need

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<v Speaker 2>a miracle to be called. What's so they receive the

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<v Speaker 2>next title, which is called blessed. Blessed the church is

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<v Speaker 2>officially saying, yes, this person is absolutely in heaven. We

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<v Speaker 2>are affirming this and this local area, like the dice

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<v Speaker 2>in the color of Springs or the United States, this

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<v Speaker 2>is an example for you all in your country how

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<v Speaker 2>to live a heroic and virtuous life in order to

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<v Speaker 2>conform yourself to Jesus Christ. If they are not declared

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<v Speaker 2>to martyrs, then they need to have at least one

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed miracle. And again it's a very arduous process. Sure

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<v Speaker 2>to have a miracle confirmed by the Vatican. So once

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<v Speaker 2>they get that miracle again, all bless it for saints.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to have two. They need to have to

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed miracles. And at that point again the Church will say,

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<v Speaker 2>all universal Christians throughout the world, we are saying, this

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<v Speaker 2>person is an example for all of you of how

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<v Speaker 2>to live a virtuous life in conformity of Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really interesting. Again we're talking with Reverend Patrick Dilloretto

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<v Speaker 1>of Saint Mark Catholic Church in Highland's Ranch, which has

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<v Speaker 1>requested that Bishop James R. Golka of the Diocese of

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<v Speaker 1>chlor the Springs consider this cause of canonization, presenting an

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<v Speaker 1>eighty page packet laying a lot of this out. It

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<v Speaker 1>is really interesting to getting an understanding of this because

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<v Speaker 1>when you see a headline such as from uh you

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<v Speaker 1>know a place like you know, any local TV station

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<v Speaker 1>saying Colorado teen Kendrick Castillo could become a saint, it

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<v Speaker 1>raises the question why, how, what's involved? And I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you laying that out. A final question for you before

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<v Speaker 1>we let you go, what can people do if they

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<v Speaker 1>feel supportive or call to back this cause? What can

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<v Speaker 1>they do to support it? And do you need to

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<v Speaker 1>be Catholic in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first and foremost prayer, and you don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>be Catholic in order to pray. You if you see

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<v Speaker 2>the value in having a symbol of virtue somebody in

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<v Speaker 2>modern times, for young and all the like, to give

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<v Speaker 2>them hope that you know, even in the modern world

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<v Speaker 2>there is a virsue, there are people striving after Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not wrong to pray that somebody might be

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<v Speaker 2>shown to be an example for that. And for those

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<v Speaker 2>who are who feel so called, I would encourage you

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<v Speaker 2>seek Kendrick's intercession, asking him for favors. He loved to

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<v Speaker 2>introduced to people of the prayer. He loves to introduce

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<v Speaker 2>people to the faith. Maybe if you have a friend

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<v Speaker 2>who's been a wave from the faith. Maybe if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a friend who's struggling with the faith, maybe ask

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<v Speaker 2>his interception, ask him to help that friend or that

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<v Speaker 2>family member to bring them closer to Jesus, to bring

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<v Speaker 2>them closer to Christ through Kendrick's prayer and session. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's one of the best things you can do.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you feel also called, you can certainly write

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<v Speaker 2>a letter to Bishop Golka and say Hey, your excellency,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is a praise worthy endeavor. I certainly

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<v Speaker 2>support opening this cause for canonization. Know of my prayers

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<v Speaker 2>for you and the crew discernment. This is not in

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<v Speaker 2>any of course to try to like twished his arm well,

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<v Speaker 2>just to show him, Yes, there is the support amongst

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<v Speaker 2>the people of God to open this cause. And some

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<v Speaker 2>people will say this might take centuries, and it could,

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<v Speaker 2>but it also looking at the example of Carlo Ocutas

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<v Speaker 2>who died in two thousand and six, it could just

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<v Speaker 2>take a day. Sure, he's getting canonized in September. So yeah, God,

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<v Speaker 2>let me see don according to his will.

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<v Speaker 1>Fascinating. Well, Father Patrick di Loreto of Saint Mark Church,

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate you taking some time. I am friends

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<v Speaker 1>with I have become and had the honor of becoming

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<v Speaker 1>friends with John and Maria Castillo, Kendrick's parents, and I

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<v Speaker 1>look at the legacy that he left behind, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is truly rich. And we have such a powerful example

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<v Speaker 1>from the life that Kendrick Castillo led and that is

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<v Speaker 1>embodied in the way in which he sacrificed his life

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<v Speaker 1>for others. And so really appreciate the request for this

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<v Speaker 1>cause of canonization and appreciate you laying out for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, absolutely pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you again for having me on and Gon.

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<v Speaker 1>Bless you all you as well. Thank you very much,

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<v Speaker 1>Father Patrick Delorreto