Speaker 1: Welcome in to Clippers Talk. Fourth episode so far this week.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Adam Oslan. Appreciate all the new viewers,
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Speaker 1: I appreciate everyone, and I think it's because not me,
Speaker 1: but the great guests we have had on, including this
Speaker 1: man who's joining me today. You find him at LA
Speaker 1: Clippers Film on X and Twitter. We had his brother
Speaker 1: on last week. And like his brother and like coach Lou,
Speaker 1: this man also has a beautiful basketball mind. It is
Speaker 1: Justin Wilson joining me here on Clippers Talk. Justin, my friend,
Speaker 1: How are we doing?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great, man, Thank you for the kind words.
Speaker 2: Nice to be on with You're me, Oh.
Speaker 1: Come on you and your brother big time. You guys
Speaker 1: are two of my basketball north stars. I look to
Speaker 1: you guys when it comes to analysis and understanding the
Speaker 1: game at a high level and understanding what it means
Speaker 1: to win in today's league and how you do that,
Speaker 1: And I think we'll talk about that here because I
Speaker 1: know one of the subjects I brought up with you
Speaker 1: that I wanted to discuss was just life without Paul George,
Speaker 1: as they're leaning into that now. As he made the
Speaker 1: decision to go to Philadelphia, I was pulling up the
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive ratings for the two man lineup of
Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard next to James Harden, and I just wanted
Speaker 1: to get more in depth on what that is going
Speaker 1: to look like because I know, you know, not just
Speaker 1: the analytics, but you can break down the film. You
Speaker 1: can break down the flare screens, the Spain pick and rolls,
Speaker 1: all that. You see it well and you see it
Speaker 1: on La Clippers film on X because Justin Wilson is
Speaker 1: very good at these things. So how do you think
Speaker 1: they're going to run the offense with those two? And
Speaker 1: just what can we look forward to because we heard
Speaker 1: in that report that came out from Home on ESPN
Speaker 1: yesterday that coach lou already has what three hundred plays
Speaker 1: that he has drawn up that are new plays that
Speaker 1: don't have Paul George on the court. He's built like that,
Speaker 1: He's a basketball genius that he is always thinking the game.
Speaker 1: So what principles do you think they're going to have
Speaker 1: out there now that they know this is the duo,
Speaker 1: it's the twenty one Blackjack duo with Kawhi and James
Speaker 1: harden As I think Jamal put it, So what can
Speaker 1: we look forward to expecting from those guys?
Speaker 2: Offensively, did he really coin the phrase twenty one blackjack
Speaker 2: for them?
Speaker 1: I don't know one of you guys put it out there.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was Jamal he said twenty one.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, that's pretty good. You know.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it.
Speaker 2: Is going to depend on how the Clippers go about
Speaker 2: supporting those two guys, right. I think when you lose
Speaker 2: Paul George, and you know, I've been critical of Paul George,
Speaker 2: but you just it's it's impossible to replace a six
Speaker 2: ' nine shooter of that degree.
Speaker 3: You know, he's.
Speaker 2: A he's an all time great shooter and you know
Speaker 2: for the past five years. Offensively, that is a big
Speaker 2: part of how we get to what it is that
Speaker 2: we want to do with his facing. And I think
Speaker 2: even for Tyler Low, it's going to be an adjustment
Speaker 2: because he more than any player that has come through
Speaker 2: this organization in the last five years has honestly been
Speaker 2: the most valuable, right, Like, he's the one that can
Speaker 2: come off of single doubles, he's the one that can
Speaker 2: space in the corner.
Speaker 3: He's the one that, if need be, can take the
Speaker 3: on ball reps as well.
Speaker 2: And so without him, I think it's you're going to
Speaker 2: see a way more diverse package. It may not, it's
Speaker 2: probably won't mean that it's better, but you'll see a
Speaker 2: lot more or Zoo post ups, just straight Zoo post ups.
Speaker 2: You know, you'll see a lot of like Derrick Jones
Speaker 2: Junior running in crashing on the offensive glass. Hopefully you'll
Speaker 2: see uh, let's go yeah, yeah, that's my guy. I
Speaker 2: was watching them at him on Rico Hines runs. He
Speaker 2: looks pretty good. But like it's it's it's very hard,
Speaker 2: honestly to picture how the spacing is going to work.
Speaker 2: If you know you're starting Zoo and you're starting Terrence
Speaker 2: Man and I assume you're probably starting with Derrick Jones
Speaker 2: Junior next to Kawhi Leonard, maybe that's like that's gonna
Speaker 2: be tough on the spacing. So I think in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways, their defense is going to be their offense. Now,
Speaker 2: you know, you hope that Zoo and Terrence Man with
Speaker 2: increased usage can kind of bolster a little bit of
Speaker 2: a leap right where where you lose Paul George, but
Speaker 2: you get rim pressure, more rim pressure from Terrence Man,
Speaker 2: more rim pressure and opportunities from Sue. But I think
Speaker 2: in particular the offense, hopefully you get more room pressure.
Speaker 2: But really it's the defense with Gunn and Zoo and
Speaker 2: Terrence and Derek Jones Junior and hopefully Kawhi Leonard is
Speaker 2: back to being himself that turns into your offense. So
Speaker 2: you might see a slippite on the offensive end, but
Speaker 2: the defensive end is where you're going to get more stops,
Speaker 2: which should allow you to score a bit more efficiently
Speaker 2: in transition for all three.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Justin Wilson is our guest brother of Jamal Christopher who
Speaker 1: we had on last week. Both guys, you get better
Speaker 1: the jam the podcast say the best for last bro
Speaker 1: on first here. I love you both, and I do
Speaker 1: have to come clean. One of you guys came up
Speaker 1: to me at a game last season and I just
Speaker 1: had to play it off like my guy what's up.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you're identical twins, And it probably was him.
Speaker 3: He went to more games than I did last It
Speaker 3: probably was him.
Speaker 1: You mentioned losing Paul George, and there's no way to
Speaker 1: replace that productivity, especially coming off the year that he had.
Speaker 1: I think it was you, and I have quoted you,
Speaker 1: so I've given you credit for this. Regardless that said,
Speaker 1: they were using him like Michael Porter Junior on steroids
Speaker 1: last season, the way he was playing off ball next
Speaker 1: to James Harden, whether he liked that role or not,
Speaker 1: and it seemed like.
Speaker 2: I think I think he Oh, I didn't mean to interrupt,
Speaker 2: but like, I think he's just a conflicted guy. But
Speaker 2: like he went to Philadelphia and he's going to play
Speaker 2: a very similar role, and you know, hopefully that's a
Speaker 2: sign of self awareness for him as far as like
Speaker 2: where he's at in this stage of his career, much
Speaker 2: more of a play finisher. So I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it makes sense why he had his most efficient season
Speaker 2: ever as a third option, being almost exclusively a play
Speaker 2: finisher instead of like a play a shot creator.
Speaker 1: You know, what did it surprise you? I mentioned the
Speaker 1: lineup data the two man lineup data. Last season, James
Speaker 1: Harden and Kawhi Leonard were on the court for about
Speaker 1: sixteen hundred minutes. Their offensive rating was one nineteen. It's nice,
Speaker 1: defensive rating one twelve, you know, a plus seven net rating.
Speaker 1: James Harden next to Paul George actually had a little
Speaker 1: bit better of an offensive rating at one twenty two.
Speaker 1: Almost defensive rating about the same. And it seemed like
Speaker 1: early on the season we were looking at of the
Speaker 1: four stars and former stars and MVPs with Russell Westbrook
Speaker 1: in the mix, then who coach Lou was trying to
Speaker 1: pair with who, And eventually it seemed like you saidtled
Speaker 1: on Kawhi next to James Harden more right? Am I
Speaker 1: wrong about that?
Speaker 3: No? No? Absolutely? Ye.
Speaker 1: So why do you think that was and how do
Speaker 1: you think that could translate and carry over to them
Speaker 1: putting up higher efficiency numbers this season?
Speaker 3: Well, well, I think you know.
Speaker 2: The thing with Paul last year, and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: Tyler was spoken about this before he can come and go,
Speaker 2: he can float, he can get lost a little bit.
Speaker 2: And you know, Paul George is a player that Tylu
Speaker 2: has hammered to wanting to be more aggressive and so
Speaker 2: I think by pairing him with a player that he's
Speaker 2: most comfortable with as far from a point guard perspective,
Speaker 2: a player who can kind of galvanize him a bit
Speaker 2: and get him going, maybe get some of that okay,
Speaker 2: see energy going.
Speaker 3: I think that was the idea, right Like, if.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have Russell Westbrook on ball, pair him with
Speaker 2: somebody who's had success with him before and Paul George
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, for Paul, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: that's something that he desired to write like he was.
Speaker 2: He's somebody that wanted Russell Westbrook here. So I think
Speaker 2: all of that went into play. As far as how
Speaker 2: James and Kawhi Leonard as a pairing goes this year.
Speaker 1: Because they both play at their own pace. They're those
Speaker 1: type of guys.
Speaker 3: Their own pace aka slow extremely.
Speaker 1: I think their pace was ninety six when I looked
Speaker 1: at the numbers.
Speaker 2: It really just it really both of those guys at
Speaker 2: this point of their careers depend on the support of
Speaker 2: each other as far as shot making is concerned, right like,
Speaker 2: like James Harden, I think, if I'm not mistaken, career
Speaker 2: low attempts and shot at the rim right like like
Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard has has gradually lost a little bit of
Speaker 2: a verse from his prime. So like, I think those
Speaker 2: two together it's gonna be a ton of like over
Speaker 2: the top shot making because honestly, I you may, you
Speaker 2: may throw Norm in there with them, but then the
Speaker 2: defense starts to suffer, so it won't it won't really
Speaker 2: be perfect. But those two guys I'm kind of envisioned.
Speaker 2: I kind of envisioned hopefully we see more two man
Speaker 2: action with him as far as like James and Kawhi
Speaker 2: playing two man pick and roll type stuff to where
Speaker 2: you know, you can't switch a small on to Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 3: And and that can kind of get the change moving.
Speaker 2: You know. One of the things that is like a
Speaker 2: hallmark of NBA offense is whatever it is that you
Speaker 2: can do to create that man advantage right to give
Speaker 2: yourself the best opportunity to get the most efficient shot.
Speaker 2: And so that could be something that the Clippers honestly
Speaker 2: go to a lot.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking like top of the key pick.
Speaker 2: And rolls with Kawhi and Harden, or empty corner pick
Speaker 2: and rolls with Kawhi and Harden.
Speaker 3: You know, without Paul, I think they can stand to be.
Speaker 2: I mean, hopefully, as Louke ty Lewis kind of suggested,
Speaker 2: they're going to explore those things. And I think if
Speaker 2: you're going to play without Paul, if you're going to
Speaker 2: play with some non shooters, you can start to get
Speaker 2: the chains moving offensively by doing some stuff like that.
Speaker 2: As far as that two.
Speaker 1: Man game is concerned, James Harden's just turned thirty five.
Speaker 1: Is there any fear of trepidation that they will be
Speaker 1: relying on him too much this season? With losing too
Speaker 1: high use whatever you want to say about Paul George
Speaker 1: and Russell Westbrook's passing ability, they still have the ball
Speaker 1: in their hands a lot, and now it seems like
Speaker 1: Moore is going to be on the plate of James Harden.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you should hear the debates that my
Speaker 2: brother and I have regarding James Harden and the fact
Speaker 2: that he just turned thirty five.
Speaker 3: And I'm terrified. I am petrified.
Speaker 2: He was someone in my opinion, who over the last
Speaker 2: thirty eight games of last year, really started to show
Speaker 2: like some serious aging and like there were games where
Speaker 2: he need only score like four points. And he is
Speaker 2: someone that in my opinion, at this stage of his career.
Speaker 2: You want him to have less responsibilities, not more, And
Speaker 2: so that kind of made the Paul leave it. Letting
Speaker 2: Paul George go for nothing kind of awkward to me
Speaker 2: if the goal is to like seriously win, because I
Speaker 2: don't trust that James Harden at this stage of his
Speaker 2: career can do some heavy lifting on the offensive side
Speaker 2: of the ball, which, honestly, with the amount of spacing
Speaker 2: or lack thereof, that the Clippers might forecast this upcoming season,
Speaker 2: you're gonna need James Harden to not just be that
Speaker 2: guy that's coming off of pick and rolls just looking
Speaker 2: for other people he's going to have to score. Last year,
Speaker 2: I thought at the high points of the season it
Speaker 2: correlated with James Harden being an aggressive player looking for
Speaker 2: his own shots. I think when we started oh and five,
Speaker 2: oh and six or whatever, when we first got him,
Speaker 2: one of the things that helped turn the corner was
Speaker 2: that James Harden started looking for his own more. And
Speaker 2: I think that's easier to do when you have Kawhi
Speaker 2: Leonard and Paul George next to you. But when you
Speaker 2: take away one of those twenty three point per game
Speaker 2: players and you don't replace him at all. It makes
Speaker 2: it really tough. So I'm petrified at what James Harden
Speaker 2: looks like. Maybe not at the start of the season,
Speaker 2: but as we get to game twenty.
Speaker 3: Five thirty thirty five forty.
Speaker 2: I think I don't think that he'll have any issues
Speaker 2: from a durability perspective, but the opponency offensively is what
Speaker 2: really concerns me.
Speaker 1: That's interesting what you just said, because I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people would see that as counterintuitive. They would say, well,
Speaker 1: if he's playing next to Kawhi and Paul George, he's
Speaker 1: going to be less aggressive out there. He's going to
Speaker 1: take less shots and maybe feel like he doesn't have
Speaker 1: as much of a green light. But you're saying, actually,
Speaker 1: that makes things easier for him because he gets more
Speaker 1: one on one coverages, he gets more advantages on the
Speaker 1: offensive end to lead to more efficient possessions. He Alwalys
Speaker 1: took eleven shots per game last season as a Clipper.
Speaker 1: I was arguing with someone on twitters you'll find me
Speaker 1: doing sometimes at follow out of May recently, that he's
Speaker 1: not going to get up more than I think seventeen
Speaker 1: shots per game this season. They were saying somewhere between
Speaker 1: seventeen and twenty. I was saying somewhere between you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen and seventeen. To me, seventeen is the max. I
Speaker 1: just this stage of his career, even though yes, he
Speaker 1: used to do that a lot. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: done it. I don't think he's gone over sixteen point
Speaker 1: eight shots per game his last four seasons or something
Speaker 1: like that. Where do you put him at shot attemp wise?
Speaker 2: Probably in that same range, like maybe thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 3: I think I think a lot of people kind of
Speaker 3: how can I say this?
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people don't take into account like, oh,
Speaker 2: this player leaves, which means that this player gets more shots.
Speaker 2: But like that kind of isn't always how that works, right,
Speaker 2: Like he didn't take eleven shots last year strictly because
Speaker 2: he was playing with great talent. He took eleven shots
Speaker 2: last year because he was thirty four years old, and
Speaker 2: he has no burst anymore. He cannot get by anybody anymore,
Speaker 2: He can't get to the rim anymore, and he needs
Speaker 2: a ton of like assistance as far as like picking
Speaker 2: rolls just to honestly get his stuff off at this
Speaker 2: stage of his career and don't get me wrong. He's
Speaker 2: still obviously a tremendous talent, and he's still one of,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, one of the best point guards in
Speaker 2: the league. But if you think James Harden is going
Speaker 2: to take fifteen, sixteen seventeen shots lightly, either that won't
Speaker 2: happen or he'll be cooked by the All Star breaking
Speaker 2: because I don't.
Speaker 3: I think without.
Speaker 2: Paul George, right, his minutes are probably going to have
Speaker 2: to go up, especially without Paul George, I mean without
Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook as well, right, like us for whatever you
Speaker 2: want to say about Russell.
Speaker 3: Westbrook, he just played minutes, right, he played.
Speaker 2: And without Russell Westbrook, without Paul George, the responsibility on
Speaker 2: James Harden is harder and it's more and like those
Speaker 2: are going to be hard minutes, right, Like, he doesn't
Speaker 2: have anybody else to say, hey, you run the offense
Speaker 2: because that's not what Kawhi Leonard does, That's not what.
Speaker 3: He wants to do.
Speaker 2: So he can't throw the ball to Russell Westbrook's possession
Speaker 2: and say hey, you create, or he can't go to
Speaker 2: the bench and look at Russell Westbrook create offense. He
Speaker 2: can't say, hey, I'm running this for Paul George, you created, No,
Speaker 2: it's going to be him. He has an increased level
Speaker 2: of responsibility and that is fatigue inducing, and that that's
Speaker 2: going to It caught up to him last year over
Speaker 2: the last like thirty five to thirty seven games, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if it happened again, but I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprised because going into his age thirty five season,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't logically, you don't that doesn't get better
Speaker 2: as you get older, being able to handle more responsibility
Speaker 2: without getting more fatigue, you know, by the time catches
Speaker 2: us all.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a fair point. There was about a
Speaker 1: month and a half stretch there a late January into
Speaker 1: early March with the Clippers were around five hundred, and
Speaker 1: it seemed to be precipitated by the fact that James
Speaker 1: Harden didn't look the same. You brought up the numbers.
Speaker 1: I saw you put out a tweet for that. But
Speaker 1: I will say this, I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: so much he's gassed, he's done, he's cooked, because he
Speaker 1: did look different in that playoff series, first wise, overall
Speaker 1: energy wise.
Speaker 2: So that is I was telling my brother, that's precisely
Speaker 2: the point, right, Like he had a week off before
Speaker 2: the playoffs and then had multiple two day rests in
Speaker 2: between those games. So like, if you're giving me James
Speaker 2: Harden where he can get a week off or have
Speaker 2: multiple times during the season where he's where he's playing
Speaker 2: every two or three days, then yeah, I think he
Speaker 2: would fare much better. But like I definitely could be
Speaker 2: wrong because he's just that talented of a player. We're
Speaker 2: talking about one of the seventy five greatest. I remember
Speaker 2: games against Indiana or Atlanta last year where he was
Speaker 2: just he was He looked like Vintas James Harden, where
Speaker 2: you know he'll always be able to go to his
Speaker 2: pound ribble, step back type of type of game. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought in the playoffs he looked tremendous. But I
Speaker 2: wasn't all that surprised because he got way more rest.
Speaker 2: There was no back to backs, two day breaks, multiple
Speaker 2: two day break in an entire week leading up to
Speaker 2: the playoffs, you know, So we'll see.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a fair point. But I'm
Speaker 1: getting a text from your brother Jamal. He says, you're
Speaker 1: mischaracterizing my argument.
Speaker 2: No, I'm playing.
Speaker 1: I also saw this tweet review at LA Clippers film.
Speaker 1: Regarding Kawhi Leonard, you said, I don't know how many
Speaker 1: games is safe for Kawhi Leonard to play this upcoming season,
Speaker 1: But I am intrigued at the thought of Kawhi Leonard,
Speaker 1: who has to take more of a volume approach to offense.
Speaker 1: How much do you think as I look, I want
Speaker 1: to say he was at eighteen shots per game somewhere.
Speaker 3: There, which is pitiful honestly.
Speaker 1: For someone as efficient as him. Now you expect it. Ooh,
Speaker 1: it was at seventeen shots per game out Paul George
Speaker 1: was there, Russell Westbrook was getting ten shots in twenty
Speaker 1: minutes per night. How much could the efficiency dip if
Speaker 1: he's getting up, you know, twenty twenty one shots all
Speaker 1: of a sudden. And do you think he will get
Speaker 1: to that type of mark?
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I do think he'll get to that that kind of
Speaker 2: a mark. I don't know if it's in the best
Speaker 2: interest of him physically, because, like James Harding, you want
Speaker 2: less responsibility on Kawhi Leonard at this stage of his
Speaker 2: career than more, because as he showed physically last year,
Speaker 2: right like sixty plus games of Kawhi Leonard taking a
Speaker 2: hard twenty plus shots at night is probably going to
Speaker 2: burn him out. Like, like, I don't want to jinx
Speaker 2: the guy and say he's gonna get injured next year.
Speaker 2: You never can't predict those things. But like, I don't
Speaker 2: know how advantageous at this point of his career it'd
Speaker 2: be for that. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you know, when the ball is rolled out and you're
Speaker 2: trying to win games, the best route for this Clipper
Speaker 2: team to win games is going to be him taking
Speaker 2: way more of and a selfish approach to offense. And
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think Kawhi gets enough credit for
Speaker 2: his unselfishness, right, Like, he is someone that could hijack
Speaker 2: an offense and he could do a lot more from
Speaker 2: a from a field goal to tim perspective. So I
Speaker 2: definitely think he's going to have to take out of
Speaker 2: sheer necessity. He's going to take twenty shots a game,
Speaker 2: maybe even maybe a fraction more. But I don't think
Speaker 2: his efficiency is going to suffer all that much simply
Speaker 2: because he's just that great of a player. He's he's
Speaker 2: someone that, like you know, I'm a little pessimistic on
Speaker 2: how good we can be going into this season. But
Speaker 2: I'm not pessimistic about that guy. You know, last year,
Speaker 2: once again when he was healthy, he showed you that
Speaker 2: he can rise to an MVP level. And if there's
Speaker 2: any optimism with the Clippers, to me, it's the fact
Speaker 2: that you're getting a Kawhi Leonard who's going to be
Speaker 2: shooting more. Because for all of the flaws of the
Speaker 2: Clippers roster, you can hide those by Kawhi Leonard simply.
Speaker 3: Being a superhero taking and making those.
Speaker 2: Superhero esque shots that only he and a couple of
Speaker 2: others in the league and taken me at a relatively
Speaker 2: efficient value. So I'm I'm sewing this is one of
Speaker 2: the most exciting parts of next season seeing Kawhi Leonard
Speaker 2: actually approach the season like a superstar, right, Like he's
Speaker 2: he's way too good to be shooting seventeen Like you
Speaker 2: just said. Russell Westbrook took ten shots in like twenty
Speaker 2: minutes and Kawhi Leonard is taking seventh like co on Like,
Speaker 2: I'm so I'm anxious to see what he does.
Speaker 3: How many years has it been. It has to have
Speaker 3: been like four or five years.
Speaker 2: Since he's taken like twenty shots, So I'm I'm anxious
Speaker 2: that's one of the most exciting subplots of the season
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Regarding Kawhi, I should say, just to be fair so
Speaker 1: no russ stands come after me, it was only nine
Speaker 1: point eight shots per game in this twenty two and
Speaker 1: a half minutes per game. I want to be accurate
Speaker 1: with that. The last time or the most shot attempts
Speaker 1: Kawhi is taken as a Clipper was his first year
Speaker 1: at nineteen point nine attempts, so basically twenty shot attempts
Speaker 1: per game. You mentioned being pessimistic on this season, I
Speaker 1: would say, overall pretty realistic, and this tweet underlines that
Speaker 1: you said the LA Clippers win eighteen to nineteen to
Speaker 1: end last season. James Harden during that time was averaging
Speaker 1: sixteen points on forty percent shooting from the field over
Speaker 1: his last forty games, and then they lost Paul George.
Speaker 1: They didn't replace him. The sixth seed last year won
Speaker 1: forty nine games in the Western Conference. What needs to
Speaker 1: happen then for them to somehow stay out of the
Speaker 1: play And we've talked about James, We've talked about Kawhi.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest key is Big Zoo. If Big
Speaker 1: Zoo takes that step, as you mentioned earlier, with him
Speaker 1: getting more post touches and more opportunities, he's got to
Speaker 1: play over thirty minutes a night. That mitigates some of
Speaker 1: the backup center minutes right there issues Just where are
Speaker 1: you at with him and what they need from Terrence
Speaker 1: Man two guys that are extension eligible coming into this season.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't tell you how much of a
Speaker 2: fan I am of Zoo and how much it pisses
Speaker 2: me off that they just don't explore his individual office.
Speaker 1: For my god, there's an easier way to win games.
Speaker 3: And it's.
Speaker 2: Like we're playing pick and roll looking for switches, and
Speaker 2: like he's the man advantage right, Like that's two points
Speaker 2: right at the back.
Speaker 3: He has one of the best touches in basketball.
Speaker 2: He's huge, and on a night to night basis, I
Speaker 2: honestly think he has an advantage to the point where,
Speaker 2: you know, I kind of talk about like moving the
Speaker 2: chains offensively, right, Like everything doesn't have to be a
Speaker 2: James Harden step back three, or James Harden pick and roll,
Speaker 2: or or a Kawhi Leonard isolation into a long two.
Speaker 2: Like obviously those guys can do that, but like you're
Speaker 2: not gonna get very far if those are the shots
Speaker 2: that you're taking.
Speaker 3: And so I think I think.
Speaker 2: Excuse me Zoo is a way that we can diversify
Speaker 2: the way we approach offense. And you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: just criminal the way that the Clippers have kind of
Speaker 2: ignored his growth as an offensive player. And you know,
Speaker 2: I was very proud to see what he did against
Speaker 2: the Dallas Mavericks and I don't think that was abnormality.
Speaker 3: Or anything like that.
Speaker 2: I think he's totally capable of doing something similar.
Speaker 3: To that on a night in and night out basis.
Speaker 2: And it's going to be pivotal because you know, Paul
Speaker 2: George didn't provide much and so with somebody like Terrence
Speaker 2: Mann who who who is, as you said, extincion eligible.
Speaker 2: He's going to be playing for a new deal. I'm
Speaker 2: anxious to see him in a in a more in
Speaker 2: a role with more responsibility, because that's someone who can
Speaker 2: knock down thirty seven percent of his streets and he
Speaker 2: never misses at the basket. And so those two guys
Speaker 2: are are two pathways, honestly to avoid the play. And
Speaker 2: they've got to have like some incredible seasons now relative
Speaker 2: to what we're expecting from them. They have to play
Speaker 2: kind of above expectation. But this may be the Clipper
Speaker 2: bias in me. I think it's in their wheelhouse, especially Zoo.
Speaker 2: Especially Zoo. I don't want to put a limit on
Speaker 2: how good he can be because it seems like he
Speaker 2: can make every every eight foot floater, every jump hook
Speaker 2: with either hand.
Speaker 3: He's got all of that in his bag.
Speaker 2: So Tyleru, I know he wants to. He was talking
Speaker 2: about how we're how we're gonna approach offense without Paul George.
Speaker 2: It starts with Zoo. It starts with Zoo. Like like
Speaker 2: it starts with Zoo. He's gonna have the advantage. And
Speaker 2: the more you ignore him, the harder the offenses. And
Speaker 2: you know, to tie it back to what we were
Speaker 2: talking about earlier, you don't want to burn James Harden out.
Speaker 2: You don't want to burn Kawhi Leonard out. One of
Speaker 2: the easiest ways to do that is make Zoo a
Speaker 2: feature offensive player.
Speaker 1: Well spoken, perfectly said. I have lost some hair pulling
Speaker 1: it out overseeing games where beats the zoobots has a
Speaker 1: really strong few minutes and then just go away from them,
Speaker 1: and the amount of times they have said we're gonna
Speaker 1: try to get Zoo more involved, and it will last
Speaker 1: a game or two or a quarter or two, and
Speaker 1: then they just forget about Zoo. I say it all
Speaker 1: the time, but I will do that doctor dre parody.
Speaker 1: At some point forgot about Zoo. I don't know why
Speaker 1: it keeps happening. He's too good. What does he need
Speaker 1: to average for them to get the sixth spot? I'm
Speaker 1: thinking around seventeen and ten.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's literally down to the exact number, is what
Speaker 2: I was about to say.
Speaker 3: Seventeen and ten, maybe even eighteen, right, Like, I just
Speaker 3: get greedy again.
Speaker 2: My brother and I we've been debating about this, and
Speaker 2: like the Western Conference is really really tough, Like you know,
Speaker 2: you're talking about just in the Clippers Division, You've got
Speaker 2: like the.
Speaker 3: Lakers and the Warriors.
Speaker 2: These aren't teams that aren't gonna win the champions, but
Speaker 2: like they you've got to play them eight times.
Speaker 3: You know, you got to play Phoenix four times as well.
Speaker 2: And I think Phoenix if they're healthy, like they won
Speaker 2: forty nine games last year.
Speaker 3: You know, like you've got the Simberwolves.
Speaker 1: Sacramento is not bad either. In the packagem PAC is
Speaker 1: one of the best divisions at all sports.
Speaker 2: Right, So when you're talking about when you're talking about
Speaker 2: avoiding to play it, that's a tall act. And so
Speaker 2: if you're going to avoid the play in, you need
Speaker 2: somebody to play way above expectations and I think Zoo
Speaker 2: is the prime candidate to do that because he has
Speaker 2: the skill set, he has the size. I'm kind of
Speaker 2: surprised they haven't got an extension done with him by now,
Speaker 2: so maybe he can be motivated to play for a bigger.
Speaker 3: Number, which can help.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, if we're going to avoid the play in,
Speaker 2: I don't see how it happens without Zoo having a
Speaker 2: monster season. And like, I'm not saying he needs to
Speaker 2: be an All Star, but when you talk about the
Speaker 2: best sinners in the Western Conference at the All Star break,
Speaker 2: Zoo's name has to come up.
Speaker 3: If name.
Speaker 2: If Zoo's name is coming up in those conversations, then
Speaker 2: that suggests that the Clippers are playing above expectations and
Speaker 2: they could fight for that for that sixty.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, I don't want.
Speaker 1: To act like there's a net positive of losing Paul
Speaker 1: George because there's not. But is there any area or
Speaker 1: intangible you see that they could be better at. I
Speaker 1: saw you retweet the THEO Ratliff thing talking about him
Speaker 1: doing the little things and the defense he would play,
Speaker 1: and it seems like there's this, I don't know, misunderstanding
Speaker 1: of who Paul George is on a night to night basis,
Speaker 1: quarter to quarter basis. There's a lack of consistency. There
Speaker 1: are things he can do. A lot of people will
Speaker 1: say and I think it's the best way to scry
Speaker 1: Paul George. The idea of Paul George often isn't reality
Speaker 1: doesn't They don't line up often enough. Just is there
Speaker 1: one area or one little thing here and there the
Speaker 1: Clippers could be a little bit better at. Besides, you know,
Speaker 1: lessening the turnovers.
Speaker 3: Let's let the fuck turn over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said that my apology.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 2: I think it's the defense. I think it's the defense
Speaker 2: and more than anything, the activity. If you if if
Speaker 2: you're paying attention to watching Paul George play, he wasn't
Speaker 2: just providing lift service when he said that, Like you know,
Speaker 2: when they lost Niko Batoum, they lost. He didn't want
Speaker 2: to do the dirty work. He literally his rebounding rate
Speaker 2: has declined significantly, right, Like, he's just not the active
Speaker 2: guy that you know it used to be. He was
Speaker 2: not the guy guarding Kawah I mean guarding Kyrie Irving
Speaker 2: or Lupadancis.
Speaker 3: He wasn't that guy anymore. And so if there.
Speaker 2: Is a positive to losing Paul George, one is that
Speaker 2: other guys get the opportunity to expand their wings a
Speaker 2: bit as far as like what they could do on offense, right, Like,
Speaker 2: if Zu has.
Speaker 3: That in him, he'll be able to display that.
Speaker 2: If Terrence has a late twenties jump, he'll be able
Speaker 2: to display that. But really it's the defensive side of
Speaker 2: the ball, right, If you are replacing Paul George, you're
Speaker 2: replacing him with Nico Batoum.
Speaker 3: You're replacing him with.
Speaker 2: Derrick Jones Junior Chris Dunn can guard up and down
Speaker 2: a few positions. It's an in conjunction with Terrence Mann
Speaker 2: and Kawhi Leonard, you all of a sudden have an
Speaker 2: incredibly long and active defensive team, and on that side
Speaker 2: of the ball, they should be much better.
Speaker 3: He's not a guy who's rebounding anymore.
Speaker 2: He's not a guy who's taking the big assignments consistently
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. So I think
Speaker 2: we can be a bit more active without him. I
Speaker 2: think that's fair to say. And yeah, I think Philly
Speaker 2: who will learn that like Paul George is closer to three.
Speaker 3: And D than like Superstar. You know, and you know
Speaker 3: it's it's a lot of money to pay for a.
Speaker 2: Guy who doesn't rebound anymore, and doesn't guard the team's
Speaker 2: best player anymore, and doesn't actually lead create for others anymore.
Speaker 3: But that's another story.
Speaker 1: Your brother said he could easily make the argument that
Speaker 1: the Clippers got the better end of a pseudo trade. Basically,
Speaker 1: with James Harden coming from Philly to the Clippers, with
Speaker 1: Paul George going to Philly from the Clippers. They weren't
Speaker 1: traded for each other, but two players swapping teams. Would
Speaker 1: you agree with that that you could easily make the
Speaker 1: argument that the Clippers got the better end of that deal. No, oh, interesting.
Speaker 2: No, you know it's the and the reason why is
Speaker 2: because Paul George, again, for all of his faults, he's
Speaker 2: still six ' nine. He's still going to be a
Speaker 2: plus defender if just for his size alone, and he's
Speaker 2: still very easy to plug and play right like you
Speaker 2: can get you can you can design any sort of
Speaker 2: like offense, and he'll be able to fit right in
Speaker 2: right like he can be a flour spacer, he can
Speaker 2: come off a single doubles, he can come off of
Speaker 2: like your floppy action you can initiates. He brings way
Speaker 2: more versatility on both sides of the ball than Harden.
Speaker 2: Even if Harden in the vacuum probably had a better
Speaker 2: season than James Harden.
Speaker 3: I think on a macro level, I think.
Speaker 2: If you're talking about like that hypothetical trade for each other,
Speaker 2: the Clippers with Paul George and Kawhi Leonard would have
Speaker 2: probably been better off for next season than Kawhi Leonard
Speaker 2: and James Harden, simply because I just don't have the
Speaker 2: faith that James Harden will be able to hold up
Speaker 2: for the course of eighty two. So, like, if you're
Speaker 2: telling me James Harden is going to play sixty five
Speaker 2: plus games and maintain thirty eight percent from three.
Speaker 3: And like forty four overall.
Speaker 2: And give me eighteen to twenty a game of like
Speaker 2: nine to ten assistant, yeah, definitely, But I just don't
Speaker 2: think in his age thirty five season that's in the
Speaker 2: cards for him, I value the last thirty eight games
Speaker 2: very very much like and again, that doesn't get better
Speaker 2: as you get older, it only gets worse.
Speaker 3: More likely than that so.
Speaker 2: Fun hypothetical, but I would probably choose Paul George not
Speaker 2: for just pure raw talent, but more so bid or
Speaker 2: Can and.
Speaker 1: Abel identical twins like justin Jamal, I don't think they were.
Speaker 1: I don't have to brush up on the old Testament here.
Speaker 1: I do want to ask about Norman Powell and how
Speaker 1: large of a role he has to have to make
Speaker 1: up for some of the shot making and shot creating.
Speaker 1: I know he's kind of a catch and shoot guy
Speaker 1: and then get it and go to his right for
Speaker 1: a quick layup, a quick decision maker on the offensive vent.
Speaker 1: You don't want him playing with his food too much
Speaker 1: or taking too long and trying to get into his bag.
Speaker 1: But he is vital. It feels like coming into this
Speaker 1: season and I've always felt like, well, Norm has a
Speaker 1: lot of limitations. He doesn't do much else well but score.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give him the Chris Carter treatment.
Speaker 1: All he does is catch touchdowns or anything like that.
Speaker 3: Scoring.
Speaker 1: It turns out not all skills are created equal in
Speaker 1: the NBA, and scoring is a really important one. And
Speaker 1: he can hit some shots that are a high degree
Speaker 1: of difficulty type shots. And he's had a forty point
Speaker 1: game in the playoffs for the Clippers. Just how important
Speaker 1: and vital.
Speaker 3: Is he to this season now?
Speaker 2: I think over the course of eighty two games, he's
Speaker 2: going to be vital because I don't I think with
Speaker 2: Paul George being absent, the margin for error is slimmer.
Speaker 2: So games where you're playing against I don't know, a
Speaker 2: healthy Charlotte Hornets team where you're thinking that's an easy
Speaker 2: w those games are ten to twenty percent harder. And
Speaker 2: those are the games where you need Norm Pou to
Speaker 2: just have a twenty two point game right where you
Speaker 2: can get away with his limitations because of the fact
Speaker 2: that they're like the Hornets or I don't know, the
Speaker 2: Atlanta Hawks or something like that. He becomes much tougher
Speaker 2: to like to play heavy minutes against the actual good teams,
Speaker 2: the teams that will require him to defend and rebound
Speaker 2: and things like that at which aren't his like strong suits.
Speaker 2: But I think over the course of an eighty two
Speaker 2: game season, what he brings in his value is very
Speaker 2: similar to last year, honestly, as far as somebody who
Speaker 2: can come off the bench and just move the chains
Speaker 2: along for like a six minute shift to get some buckets,
Speaker 2: but very But the way I look at Norm Powell
Speaker 2: is this team's margin for error is just so short
Speaker 2: or just so small that like when we play teams
Speaker 2: that you think we're supposed to be, those are the
Speaker 2: games that are all of a sudden harder this year,
Speaker 2: and if we're going to avoid the play in, those
Speaker 2: are games you cannot lose, right, Like, you have to
Speaker 2: win both games against the Hawks, you have to win
Speaker 2: both games against the Hornets, you have to win like
Speaker 2: all three or four games against the Blazers that you're playing.
Speaker 3: You have to win your games.
Speaker 2: Against the Jazz, And if you take care of your
Speaker 2: business in those games, that puts you almost right in
Speaker 2: the driver's seed, right because like hopefully you punk above
Speaker 2: your weight class and steal some of these games against
Speaker 2: these other great teams. But those are but those teams
Speaker 2: that I mentioned are the teams you really want to
Speaker 2: lock in on. And I think North poll is just
Speaker 2: essential to those games because you can get away with
Speaker 2: his weaknesses against those games and he can go a
Speaker 2: long way towards making sure that you win the game
Speaker 2: that you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I brought up the coach Lou comment coming out of
Speaker 1: a team in USA yesterday in an article by Ohm
Speaker 1: for ESPN covering the Clippers, and that quote that he
Speaker 1: had saying he can't wait to prove everybody wrong. Is
Speaker 1: that meaningful to you? Like? Is that something that can
Speaker 1: get them a few more wins just an even more
Speaker 1: motivated coach Lou Or is that just something that gives
Speaker 1: fans a little bit more hope, a little something to
Speaker 1: hold on to right now during a summer or still
Speaker 1: got two more months before real game start?
Speaker 3: She's two months Jesus.
Speaker 1: About October third.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what he's supposed to say, right, like
Speaker 2: like he sees everybody projecting that the Clippers are going
Speaker 2: to miss the playoffs and we're gonna win forty forty
Speaker 2: two and forty like.
Speaker 3: He sees it.
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, I mean, Tylo is a competitor, right like,
Speaker 2: he incan extension. He's gonna be here for a while,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't want to coach a bad team. So
Speaker 2: I think with that quote, if you wanted to, if
Speaker 2: you wanted to take that that.
Speaker 3: Take and that quote and really dig in deep.
Speaker 2: It's the fact that he's going to chase wins more, right, Like,
Speaker 2: this team's margin for era isn't such that like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm only gonna play Kawhi Leonard thirty two minutes tonight,
Speaker 2: Like you can't do that, like if you're serious about winning.
Speaker 3: So if you're trying, Like if we're gonna take.
Speaker 2: That quote at face value and say, oh, he really
Speaker 2: wants to prove people wrong, it's going to come with
Speaker 2: like a chasing of wins, taking the regular season a
Speaker 2: bit more seriously. And what I've learned is that alone
Speaker 2: is responsible for three to five wins.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Just that approach every night that we have to win
Speaker 2: this game is is because not every team that are
Speaker 2: playing is going to have that approach, right. Some some
Speaker 2: teams may may be like, oh, we'll take this day
Speaker 2: off for this guy, or we're taking the long view.
Speaker 3: Because we have the talent to do so.
Speaker 2: And in my opinion, I don't think the Clippers have
Speaker 2: the talent to take games for granted. And I think
Speaker 2: that's what tylou is alluding to when he says we're
Speaker 2: going to prove people wrong. So hopefully that quote suggests
Speaker 2: that they're going to take this season extremely seriously, and
Speaker 2: I think that votes well for the Clippers win total.
Speaker 1: When you talk about playing to win every night, is
Speaker 1: there a way to do that but still get some
Speaker 1: of these young guys with upside like we've seen from
Speaker 1: Jordan Miller run.
Speaker 3: That's a tough one. That's tough. I think.
Speaker 2: I think Kobe is going to get an opportunity the
Speaker 2: position exactly exactly that, but like you know, with the
Speaker 2: way you're trying to chase wins, that'll be tough. But
Speaker 2: like we know Kawhi Leonard isn't going to play every night,
Speaker 2: we know Niko Batoum isn't going to play every night
Speaker 2: or play heavy minutes.
Speaker 3: So I don't immediately see.
Speaker 2: But that's what training campus for, right Like, that's what
Speaker 2: I mean he's doing. Jordan Miller's doing what he's supposed
Speaker 2: to do to try and crack the rotation, and I
Speaker 2: think he'll get his by sheer just being.
Speaker 3: On the team. He'll get his opportunity at some point.
Speaker 2: It's just hard to see it right now with the
Speaker 2: guys that are in front of him, and honestly, how
Speaker 2: serious the Clippers plan to take the regular season.
Speaker 1: If I told you the Clippers just trade for Zach Levine,
Speaker 1: what seed are they in the West. They didn't.
Speaker 3: I was like, they won't break something.
Speaker 1: I think you're a fan, like I am.
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a cuge fan of Zach Levine, and
Speaker 2: and I think I think value and productivity sometimes gets underrated, right,
Speaker 2: like we tend to nick pick guys for what they
Speaker 2: can't do. That one is a great question, because are
Speaker 2: you giving me healthy Zach Lavine?
Speaker 3: Right, Like, he hasn't been healthy in a while, so like.
Speaker 1: Let's say he's good for sixty eight games a Kawhi.
Speaker 1: Leonard asked, sixty eight games, like we got at Kawhi
Speaker 1: last season, and he is prime Zach Levine from a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I put them top six.
Speaker 2: I put them top six, Like, yeah, I think if
Speaker 2: you're giving me that version of zach Levine, then I'm
Speaker 2: I'm definitely thinking I'm taking the high end on that
Speaker 2: because unlike Paul George, right, like Paul George is the
Speaker 2: better player than Zach Levine, but Zach is someone who
Speaker 2: he'll get it up from three man, like he's a
Speaker 2: he's a bona fide shooter like Paul George in that regard,
Speaker 2: and he's going to give you a little bit more
Speaker 2: of like pressure and a little bit more above the
Speaker 2: rim activity.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm I'm, I'm I'm rolling top six.
Speaker 2: If we were to get somebody like Zach Levine and
Speaker 2: he takes so much pressure off of James Harden and
Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard, which is probably my biggest concern going into
Speaker 2: the season, is like we don't really have anyone else
Speaker 2: that can take the pressure off of those guys.
Speaker 3: They have to.
Speaker 2: Not only not only be play finishers, but they have
Speaker 2: to create the man advantage for other people. And like
Speaker 2: that's gonna be that's gonna be tough on them. Maybe
Speaker 2: not in the beginning of the season, but as we
Speaker 2: get towards the dog days of the regular season and
Speaker 2: we're in Indiana right a good a really good Easterconference team, Like.
Speaker 3: That's not that that game isn't gonna be easy, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So stuff like that is where I'm like, man, it'd
Speaker 2: be helpful if we if we replace Paul George with
Speaker 2: somebody who could at least approximate his scoring a.
Speaker 1: Couple more for you here. Just you got into it
Speaker 1: with some people talking about retiring Paul George's jersey. You
Speaker 1: said you put out the initial suite. You said, he's
Speaker 1: not first in line with respect to getting his jersey retired,
Speaker 1: CP Blake eb. I agree with eb, but three time
Speaker 1: All Star, one time All NBA twenty seven to ten
Speaker 1: five in routes of the franchise only Western Conference Finals
Speaker 1: playoff run feels like very close to a no brainer.
Speaker 1: NBA teams retire guys jerseys for far less. I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I don't think people understand what it takes
Speaker 1: to get in the NBA Hall of Fame and what
Speaker 1: it takes to get your jersey retired in the NBA.
Speaker 1: The bar is much lower than people realized, because a
Speaker 1: lot of guys were pushing back against that, saying is
Speaker 1: that really enough? Well, I think for this franchise, it's
Speaker 1: probably more than enough. He's a top five Clipper, ever, right,
Speaker 1: I I.
Speaker 2: The way I see it, right, So, retiring jerseys is
Speaker 2: teams specific, right, they have their own criteria. The Lakers,
Speaker 2: for instance, you don't get her jersey retired until you
Speaker 2: make the Hall of Fame, right, you have to make
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame to get your jersey retired if
Speaker 2: you're if you're an LA Laker. That's why Michael Cooper,
Speaker 2: once he got into the Hall of Fame, is now
Speaker 2: getting his jersey retired. But that's not the Clippers, right,
Speaker 2: Like you retire your team's great players. So like if
Speaker 2: you only have one Western Conference final in your entire
Speaker 2: team's history, you have to retire the guy who was
Speaker 2: a three time All Star for you and played on
Speaker 2: that team and at a fantastic playoff.
Speaker 3: Run to get you there. I don't I don't even understand.
Speaker 2: How anyone can push back against that, Like what are
Speaker 2: we doing if the best player on that team's playoff run,
Speaker 2: who got who made All NBA with you, who made
Speaker 2: three All Star Games with you?
Speaker 3: What are we doing if that guy can't.
Speaker 2: Get his jersey retired for the Clippers with all the
Speaker 2: rest like the Clippers are like the Clippers are my team.
Speaker 2: I will I went to the sports arena to watch
Speaker 2: games there, right, I was a junior Clipper playing at
Speaker 2: Normandy Park, like way before, way before when they were
Speaker 2: sponsored by like this Savici Motors back in the day,
Speaker 2: you know, like.
Speaker 3: That this is my this is my team, it's my home.
Speaker 3: But like you take their history, it just doesn't make
Speaker 3: sense that you would not retire.
Speaker 2: That guy who's who's a infidal part of the team's
Speaker 2: most successful season ever and even beyond that season, multiple
Speaker 2: All Star Games, all NBA's like over six thousand points.
Speaker 2: Like if you just put his resume up against the
Speaker 2: other Clippers, I guarantee you don't find that many ahead
Speaker 2: of him, you know. So, Like I said, I don't
Speaker 2: think he would be first in line. He wouldn't be
Speaker 2: the first guy that I would call, but he definitely
Speaker 2: would be on the short list. Easy, easy, without question.
Speaker 2: I'm not even thinking about it, like like no brainer
Speaker 2: is for sure.
Speaker 1: Blake Griffin, I think is first on the speed dial for.
Speaker 3: The y.
Speaker 2: It should be against the Suns on the twenty fifth,
Speaker 2: like we should do it, like open it into a
Speaker 2: dome that way, like that's how easy that is. And
Speaker 2: Chris Paul too, like I I don't. I don't see
Speaker 2: those guys obviously, those they're rarefied air for what they've
Speaker 2: done for this franchise. So I don't think no one
Speaker 2: would get pushed back for retiring their jerseys.
Speaker 3: At least I don't think but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand why you wouldn't retire Paul Georgia.
Speaker 3: What is the argument against it? I don't even understand it.
Speaker 1: He's called him the B team. Uh. If he continues
Speaker 1: to do that, maybe have second thoughts because he didn't
Speaker 1: end things well. And yeah, there's a real sour taste. Currently,
Speaker 1: you got to get further away from the situation. It
Speaker 1: just happened. It's too raw, So I can understand from
Speaker 1: that perspective, But long term, I think it's a no brainer.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, what are you most hyped for when
Speaker 1: it comes to the end to it?
Speaker 4: Don't in those bleed seats you want. You won't be
Speaker 4: bleeding at all, man, right, exactly like I think.
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm more excited about the intimacy of it, right,
Speaker 2: Like I've only been there.
Speaker 3: My brother has been there more than me.
Speaker 2: But the one time that I went the arena struck
Speaker 2: me for how intimate it felt relative to for Bill
Speaker 2: dot Com arena, Like the everything feels way more closer
Speaker 2: to the game and like way more on top of
Speaker 2: the game. And so I'm excited to get to a
Speaker 2: game where the crowd is live and I can just
Speaker 2: imagine how pulsating, and how wow that's gonna be in
Speaker 2: comparison to the advantage or the lack of advantage that
Speaker 2: we had in that regard. So I'm anticipating that, Like
Speaker 2: I think the way that the arena has built, the
Speaker 2: intimacy of it all can only benefit the Clippers, And
Speaker 2: so I'm really looking forward to what it sounds like when.
Speaker 3: We've got a packed house and like.
Speaker 2: Everyone is rooting against like this will be the first
Speaker 2: time in a long time. I remember I went to
Speaker 2: Game six Clippers Jazz and that was the loudest I've
Speaker 2: ever heard a Clipper game, and that was incredible. And
Speaker 2: so I think the into a dome can be because
Speaker 2: of the way it's built. I think we can top that.
Speaker 2: And if we top that, I think we could have
Speaker 2: one of the best arenas in the league. So I'm
Speaker 2: looking forward to it. That's what I'm looking forward to
Speaker 2: the most.
Speaker 1: What about too, though, Well, that game makes me think
Speaker 1: that still wasn't even full capacity that Game six. There
Speaker 1: were still some restrictions going on that I've been saying
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. What I can't wait for is
Speaker 1: everyone to find out at once how loud the arena
Speaker 1: can get And I made this prediction with your brother
Speaker 1: and he agreed with me. So as I try to
Speaker 1: drive the wedge further between you guys, I want to
Speaker 1: see where you arrive on this. But I think it's
Speaker 1: going to get to a higher decibel level than any
Speaker 1: other arena in the NBA. I don't know how long
Speaker 1: it's gonna stay there every night, but I think at
Speaker 1: its best, at its loudest, it's gonna get to places
Speaker 1: no other arena can get to. Because Brian Semen said
Speaker 1: they had six thousand people scattered in there, and it
Speaker 1: was that something like one hundred and twenty decibels. One
Speaker 1: forty is a jet engine, one hundred and twenty. I
Speaker 1: remember Arco Arena when it was loud. That was one tag.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So I think it's built for this sound
Speaker 1: and having a real home court advantage.
Speaker 3: Honestly, yeah, I didn't. I didn't know. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Right as far as what you just said about how
Speaker 2: loud it's already gotten with Brian and there, so I'm
Speaker 2: maybe maybe obviously Utah can get pretty loud.
Speaker 1: Okay, soe he's loud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like given the fact that this arena is
Speaker 2: the newest of them all, and we're taking inspiration from
Speaker 2: those arenas, and like, you know, there's the whole wall thing.
Speaker 3: We got the wall going.
Speaker 2: You know, I got to I got to take my
Speaker 2: seat at the wall just to see and why it's steep.
Speaker 2: It's incredibly steep, Like it's it's crazy, you.
Speaker 1: Felt like John Snow, Yeah, I'm on my watch here.
Speaker 3: It's sharp today. Man, nice, that's nice today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm look listen, I think at its best, at
Speaker 2: its peak performance.
Speaker 3: Right Like, if we were to get into the playoffs next.
Speaker 2: Year, there's no doubt in my mind we'd have the
Speaker 2: loudest arena in the league, almost by bar. And you know,
Speaker 2: for the for the fact that you could say that
Speaker 2: about a Clippers home arena is like still kind of
Speaker 2: like jarring to to like to take into take into account.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm that's what I'm most anticipating, and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we we we got to get to we got to
Speaker 2: get to one forty decibels jet engine level. Baby, No, still,
Speaker 2: let's do it.
Speaker 3: Of inglewood.
Speaker 1: You know, Laker fans are punching air right now, and
Speaker 1: all sound is is vibration in the air. So they're
Speaker 1: just punching the sound, trying to fight back against the
Speaker 1: loudest that the clipper, that Clipper Nation is going to
Speaker 1: create into its elm last one for you here justin
Speaker 1: I never didn't ask your brother this one. Uh, best
Speaker 1: and worst thing about being an identical twin. I can't
Speaker 1: get the Morris brothers on for this one, so I.
Speaker 2: Figured, honestly, honestly, it's the the best and worst thing
Speaker 2: is probably the exact same answer, which is that he
Speaker 2: knows he knows everything about me, like like and sometimes
Speaker 2: that can be pretty annoying, you know, like like every
Speaker 2: all of our tastes is the exact same and literally
Speaker 2: virtually everything.
Speaker 3: It's almost like.
Speaker 1: Not James Harden, yeah.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, but like I do love James Harden,
Speaker 2: though I do.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: That's Arteasers. That's Arteaser's finest right there. And I saw
Speaker 2: him as a senior in high school. I was just
Speaker 2: blown away how good he was.
Speaker 3: But no Beard, yeah, yeah, yeah, he had he was crazy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's the best and worst thing is the
Speaker 2: fact that, like, you know, I feel like I'm walking
Speaker 2: with someone who just imagine if you had someone else
Speaker 2: out there who was socialized in the exact same way
Speaker 2: as you. So everything you experience at the exact same
Speaker 2: ages throughout your life he experiences as well. So like
Speaker 2: you come to love the same music you love, you
Speaker 2: come to love the same women. Everything is like everything
Speaker 2: all of the taste is just like exactly the same.
Speaker 2: And so getting married, by the way, I guess that's
Speaker 2: one difference of ours.
Speaker 3: Like oh yeah, yeah, he loves her.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not the I'm not the biggest fan,
Speaker 2: but she's a She's a gorgeous gal. And I met
Speaker 2: Dave mcminnimon once and he was great to be so
Speaker 2: best wishes to their marriage. But like, yeah, he's a
Speaker 2: he'd be fan of he fans out over Malik Andrews.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't get it, but like.
Speaker 1: I think I've seen them at a few different times too.
Speaker 2: Yeah those are those are those are his Speaking of
Speaker 2: getting jerseys retired, he retired their jerseys right in his house.
Speaker 3: He would definitely do it.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure this is going to get back to Jamal,
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, he retires in Data's jersey and the Heartbeat,
Speaker 2: no doubt.
Speaker 1: Tom Hall on look out, I think that's Spider Man's name.
Speaker 3: He is justin.
Speaker 1: Wilson at La Clippers Film is where you find him,
Speaker 1: and he was the perfect guy to close out this
Speaker 1: week and Clippers Talk episodes. Unless there's breaking news tomorrow
Speaker 1: or this weekend. I'm going to do a Terrence Man
Speaker 1: deep dive coming up. I think I'll release on Monday.
Speaker 1: I don't care it's a holiday. I'm gonna get something
Speaker 1: else out there. I'm trying to be like locked on
Speaker 1: or something. Just get out as many pods as I
Speaker 1: can right now before the season starts. I figured this
Speaker 1: will be the hardest work. Once the season starts, there's stories,
Speaker 1: more game recaps and really.
Speaker 3: Okay, man is a struggle in the summer.
Speaker 1: This is cake too. I just bring on great guests
Speaker 1: like Justin Wilson and Jamal Christopher. I just sit back,
Speaker 1: can listen and enjoy the ride. Justin, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 1: Is there anywhere else people need to be following you.
Speaker 2: At Maybe maybe maybe in the future, we'll see if
Speaker 2: we can figure out some things. But that is that
Speaker 2: is uh, that's something that's been.
Speaker 3: In the worst for a while. We got to see
Speaker 3: if that can actually get off the ground.
Speaker 1: But JJ is out of the podcast game, so Jay
Speaker 1: and j JJ Reddicks out. You guys got to take over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I can get a head coaching job right after.
Speaker 2: You know, you never know, but we'll see La Clippers
Speaker 2: film on Twitter. Reach out to me if I'm not
Speaker 2: and I'd like to think that I'm kind on there
Speaker 2: if if you guys are kind to me, so reach out.
Speaker 3: Let me know what's up. Man Clipper.
Speaker 1: You know he is Justin Wilson. For Justin Wilson. I'm
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Speaker 1: Love you guys, Talk to you soon.