1
00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,559
Speaker 1: We're all owned by the syndicate Body and Soul or

2
00:00:04,599 --> 00:00:06,000
should I just say bunny?

3
00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:16,399
Speaker 2: Hello? Filthy movie lovers, Something Weirdos and anti criterion brose

4
00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,000
to the twenty fifth episode of The Sin Syndicate, where

5
00:00:21,039 --> 00:00:24,359
love making is always better with an audience and every

6
00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:27,920
bedroom mirror is a two way. My name is Gentry Austin,

7
00:00:28,079 --> 00:00:31,000
writer and researcher, and I'm here with my co host,

8
00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,679
adult film historian Casey Scott. And in this week's episode,

9
00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:39,560
we're joining East to West with our friends Dakota and

10
00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,280
Christopher of the two in the Pinkoo podcast. They will

11
00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:48,240
be helping us understand the sixty sexploitation scene in Japan,

12
00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:52,439
and in particular a special look at the US imported

13
00:00:52,600 --> 00:01:39,640
Kan Mukai directed the bite.

14
00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,280
Speaker 3: Hey lover, why don't we leave here and go to

15
00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:30,439
my place? Read it? Come on, GRICI I'll make sure

16
00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:39,239
you're sorry.

17
00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:46,359
Speaker 2: But first, some exploitation news updates and corrections. A very

18
00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:50,480
quick one here. If you've been paying attention closely, you

19
00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,359
might have seen we launched a Patreon. We were kind

20
00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,359
of playing with what to do over there, but Casey

21
00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,840
and I thought, first of all, we could throw up

22
00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,799
our show notes, because there's a lot of stuff in

23
00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,920
our show notes, and I think that if you are

24
00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,920
a fan of sexploitation and what we're doing here, you'll

25
00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,159
get a lot out of it. So, I don't know,

26
00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,199
we think it's worth a couple bucks and help support

27
00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,120
us so we can upgrade some stuff Google Drive that

28
00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,479
would allow us to upload more movies like maybe the

29
00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,759
one we're talking about today, we'll see and other fun stuff.

30
00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,360
So yeah, check it out Patreon. We'll probably have some

31
00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:31,479
poles and stuff up there. We're still playing with it,

32
00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,439
but I still can't get in. Yeah, Casey's still trying

33
00:02:35,479 --> 00:02:36,360
to get access.

34
00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,000
Speaker 4: I got an invite to be a collaborator, and Patreon's

35
00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:41,800
like no, no, no.

36
00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other fun thing is, yeah, I can like

37
00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:47,560
throw up a bunch of photos on there that might

38
00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:52,039
have nudity that Instagram doesn't allow, so all he freaks

39
00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:53,080
out there, All right.

40
00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:55,479
Speaker 4: My big thing about it is I will just say like,

41
00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:00,759
for so, I was always hesitant about a Patreon for

42
00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,840
the show, but I I like because my my relationship

43
00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,360
with a lot of people in the field, and a

44
00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,000
lot of these people were not paid well for their

45
00:03:12,039 --> 00:03:13,879
work in these films. So if I have a chance

46
00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,680
to pay them. I want to be able to do that.

47
00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,479
So yeah, there there are other let's uh, let's say

48
00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:21,599
there are other sex film podcasts out there that do

49
00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,599
not do that, and so I would like to be

50
00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,719
able to climm people.

51
00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:28,080
Speaker 5: I'm just kidding.

52
00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:30,479
Speaker 6: I mean, how many are there.

53
00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,840
Speaker 5: It's like it's like people know who they are. I

54
00:03:35,919 --> 00:03:37,919
just like to start drama. Yeah.

55
00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,400
Speaker 4: Well yeah, usually me too, but I like, you know,

56
00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:42,719
I usually take a sip after I say something about them,

57
00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:45,199
but I like to I like people being compensated for

58
00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,560
their time and their contributions to the history. So if

59
00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:50,199
we can get if we can offer a little something

60
00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,280
to the people, it makes it easier for me then

61
00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,080
to reach out to people to do interviews, because if

62
00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,520
I'm just asking them to come on and talk for free,

63
00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,479
I I just don't like doing that and I've never

64
00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:04,319
liked doing that. So yeah, that's a nice little little

65
00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:06,319
bonus if we could, if we could throw a little

66
00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:09,080
bit of money to people like Sharon Kelly or Mark

67
00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:10,960
Haggard or any of the other people that I'd like

68
00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:11,400
to call.

69
00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Casey for mentioning that too. Another quick update,

70
00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,439
we got a note from gav Crimson over on YouTube.

71
00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,600
He told us that I don't even remember the context

72
00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:27,560
casey of Sun Swept, How did we how did that

73
00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:28,000
come up?

74
00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,079
Speaker 4: That was standboard in American film distributing bought that or

75
00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:35,160
either bought or license that I think bought for US distribution.

76
00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,639
It was a British British newdiest film, yeah, nudist camp film,

77
00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,319
and it was one of a few that he handled.

78
00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,959
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So Gaff said that he did kind of

79
00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,160
track down Edward Craven Walker's nudist camp films. There was

80
00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,120
Sun Swept and Traveling Light and eves On Skis and

81
00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,319
he actually got the VHS transfers but he wasn't able

82
00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,800
to digitize all of them, but he did get eves

83
00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,399
On Skis uploaded, so we'll have a link to that

84
00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,399
in the show notes. It's on Internet archive. But he said,

85
00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,959
to be honest, you're not missing out on much with

86
00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,079
Sun Swept and Traveling Light. Once you've seen one British

87
00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,120
nudist camp film, you've pretty much seen them all. So yeah,

88
00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,480
that was kind of nice to know the film.

89
00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,680
Speaker 5: I was going to say, they kind of feel the

90
00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,199
same the ones that we watched very much.

91
00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe they have or something and they're British.

92
00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:30,680
Speaker 4: Well that's true. Maybe it's a little class here. I

93
00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,319
feel like, yeah, every newdist Camp film is essentially someone

94
00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:35,720
who doesn't believe in the power and the magic of

95
00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,079
nudity and the sun goes this, goes to a nudist

96
00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,160
camp and is magically converted and then has to convince

97
00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:45,399
other people. It's very actually it's very Christianity coded. It's

98
00:05:45,399 --> 00:05:47,160
like they want you to become a member and then

99
00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:50,879
you need to spread the gospel of nudism to everyone else.

100
00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:55,199
So it is very much like Christianity is like religion.

101
00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,639
Nudism is a religion.

102
00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Gav said that these movies wore for the community.

103
00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:04,759
He was trying to keep him kind of in house

104
00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,560
with the newdis Camp community. So yeah, totally like a

105
00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:09,360
little cult.

106
00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:10,000
Speaker 5: He's great.

107
00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,759
Speaker 4: By the way, he did a really if anyone in Letterbox.

108
00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,319
He did a really really good in depth review of Diversions,

109
00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,639
the Derek Ford adult movie where that is such a

110
00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,279
deep dive into that and Derek Ford making a hardcore

111
00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,079
movie for international distribution in England which is unheard of

112
00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,480
and really rare, So yeah, big shout out to him.

113
00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:31,000
I love him.

114
00:06:31,439 --> 00:06:33,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw his comment and I had to track

115
00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:35,759
down and wait, I know this guy, and yeah, I

116
00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,240
follow him my play box as well.

117
00:06:37,399 --> 00:06:39,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's great. He just watched Fluctuations and gave it

118
00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,199
two stars. I think he may have had something to

119
00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,399
drink when he watched it that maybe he made it better.

120
00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:46,480
Speaker 5: So I don't know.

121
00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we maybe do some British exploitation, maybe we'll

122
00:06:52,639 --> 00:06:55,240
have to give you a call, Gaff. So that's good

123
00:06:55,319 --> 00:07:00,279
to do. Actually, next up, we have a new er

124
00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,480
Syndrome sub label, Reviver, that was announced this last week.

125
00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:09,519
Of course, Casey and I are wondering is there going

126
00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,199
to be any sixties sexploitation films coming out of this

127
00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:16,680
Lost Film label. It seems like it's a spin off

128
00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,439
of that Lost Picture show that they did, which had

129
00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:22,680
I didn't count them. There's at least three or four

130
00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:26,879
sexploitation think it was like fifty fifty. Yeah, yeah, it

131
00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:32,120
was kind of so we'll see. Casey's cautiously optimistic.

132
00:07:32,199 --> 00:07:34,480
Speaker 4: I think I feel like for s exploitation, it might

133
00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,959
be the only way to get these movies in the

134
00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,879
hands of people, because they have to trick them into

135
00:07:37,879 --> 00:07:41,680
buying them. Sexism for itself. So this is like, this

136
00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,439
is the way they can restore them and say, hey,

137
00:07:43,639 --> 00:07:44,920
you don't know what it's going to be until you

138
00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,720
put it in your put it in your Blu ray player,

139
00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,279
which I think is actually a very risky and clever

140
00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:50,399
marketing technique.

141
00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:51,240
Speaker 2: It's sold out well.

142
00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,759
Speaker 4: Because people don't know what it is, right, and so

143
00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:55,360
they're like, look, could this be It's something that hasn't

144
00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:58,120
been seen in years, So imagine they do like in

145
00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:00,439
My Wireless Dreams, Come Ride the Wild Pink Worse by

146
00:08:00,519 --> 00:08:02,399
Joe Sarno, and that's the only way that they could

147
00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,399
sell a Sarno movie, because Sarno, for whatever reason, doesn't sell. Yeah.

148
00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:07,759
I think it's a great I think it's a great

149
00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:10,959
marketing move. And I imagine I'll have to buy them

150
00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:14,040
all myself because I don't think I can get free

151
00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,279
copies from Bigger Syndrome.

152
00:08:15,639 --> 00:08:19,480
Speaker 2: So well, number one is sold out, so you might

153
00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:20,120
have damn.

154
00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,519
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're all I missed out.

155
00:08:21,839 --> 00:08:23,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're doing like a standard edition

156
00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,319
down the road, I don't know.

157
00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:26,279
Speaker 4: I don't know either.

158
00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:28,319
Speaker 2: Anyway, did you guys order that?

159
00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:29,879
Speaker 6: No?

160
00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:34,240
Speaker 5: I mean to be Yeah, to be honest. Dakota will well,

161
00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,360
Dakota will tell me if like you're ordered, He's like,

162
00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,360
oh I ordered this. I'm like, oh okay. He's like,

163
00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,080
just watch out for like the like ups or like

164
00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,879
FedEx or anybody's delivering at the apartment. Just leave the

165
00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:46,159
door open for them to come in. I go, what

166
00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,600
do we get? Oh, I don't know, some movie, that's what.

167
00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:49,320
Speaker 2: That's what.

168
00:08:49,639 --> 00:08:51,679
Speaker 5: So I when I open up the box, I'm like, oh,

169
00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:52,679
whatever came.

170
00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,960
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm glad it's a good thing that's sold out.

171
00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,960
Though that's a surprising right, Like, I don't know.

172
00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:00,720
Speaker 4: That's a good sign. But it sounds like you're getting

173
00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,679
the Reviver experience every time because you have no idea.

174
00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, seriously, I do like you open the box,

175
00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,159
so that's your typical experience. Yeah, he'll just say, like

176
00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,639
Dakoto tell me. He's like, hey, we got this, like, oh,

177
00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,840
it's this kind of film. It's this, And I'm like, okay,

178
00:09:14,919 --> 00:09:16,679
just put it. Just put it on and we'll watch it.

179
00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,559
And then I'm like you Sometimes I'm like, what did it?

180
00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,679
I don't know what we watched. I don't know if

181
00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,960
I like it or not? Is it? Is it? Fair

182
00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:26,039
to give it two or three stars. I don't know.

183
00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:29,879
Speaker 4: I love comparing your two reviews, which are always posted

184
00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,679
one ever or the other, and I'm like, just sing,

185
00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,000
what was that like watching it with them as they

186
00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,279
both had these very opposite reactions.

187
00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:38,679
Speaker 6: Wow, christ.

188
00:09:40,879 --> 00:09:41,440
Speaker 4: I love it.

189
00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:46,799
Speaker 2: Kasey, You've got a big Joel Land where update for us?

190
00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,360
Tell us about your Friday.

191
00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,159
Speaker 4: It's not as big as I hoped it would be,

192
00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,559
but I was. I almost had like a mental breakdown yesterday.

193
00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,200
I messaged you, guys, and I was like, I messaged

194
00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,320
you with Alex and I was like, guys, I'm about

195
00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,279
to burst into tears. So I went to the New

196
00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,120
York Department of Records just me and access to the

197
00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,559
NYPD's homicide burrow has logs of every death that every

198
00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,840
homicide specifically annually. So I had to go through microfiche.

199
00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,679
So I look through nineteen eighty one once and there's

200
00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,679
no Joel Land where. So I go backwards in nineteen

201
00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,639
eighty I see John Lennon's death noted in the log,

202
00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,600
but no Joel landwaere and then I read nineteen I

203
00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,600
go through nineteen eighty one again, no Joel. I go

204
00:10:30,639 --> 00:10:35,480
through eighty two, no Joel. So this means Joel was

205
00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:38,360
not was not murdered in New York or at least

206
00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,600
done Manhattan. And I took to Sean Langbrick about it,

207
00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,879
and Sean is also perplexed, because you know, Sean is

208
00:10:47,879 --> 00:10:50,960
someone who's research skills. I am like in awe of

209
00:10:51,159 --> 00:10:53,440
and so if I can find something, then I'm like, well,

210
00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,840
she can find something. Sean is also noticing conflicting stuff like,

211
00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:01,679
for example, Joel's had stone. Apparently the death date on

212
00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,000
that is May fifth, nineteen eighty one, which is two

213
00:11:04,039 --> 00:11:06,720
days after his death notice in the New York Times.

214
00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,519
And Social Security stopped on his social Security number in

215
00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,320
April nineteen eighty one, so the death date's wrong on

216
00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:18,799
the gravestone. So my new theory is witness protection program.

217
00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,919
It's because I havn't heard back from the partner's the

218
00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:24,799
late brother's partner having her back from the actress he

219
00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,679
worked with, didn't even her back from the auction house,

220
00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,120
and I need to call the lover partner and see

221
00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,399
what the deal is. But also I also he reminded me,

222
00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,159
I had found these pictures of Sheldon, the late brother

223
00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,840
at an eightieth birthday celebration, and there are pictures of

224
00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:44,519
him with a niece and a nephew, so we're like,

225
00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,559
whose kids are these? There was there another sibling that

226
00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,559
we don't know about? Is there a sister that we

227
00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,879
don't know about? So we have Sean and I both

228
00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:54,639
have more questions, and we've been going We went back

229
00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,720
and forth for a while trying to figure this stuff out,

230
00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,360
and I have to place a li I met on

231
00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,919
how much more research I'm going to do on this

232
00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,679
because I have waited much other stuff that I'm working on,

233
00:12:04,919 --> 00:12:07,200
including a lot of melicine stuff that I'm working on

234
00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,679
for twenty twenty six. So I'm just like, nope, sorry,

235
00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,720
I think I'm sorry. Joel. Hey, well, you know, if

236
00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,879
I find something, I'm excited. But I will say the

237
00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,960
day was on a total waste because I did screen

238
00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,919
his lost short film at the filmmaker's colup, A Puritan's Dream,

239
00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,639
and you know, I think we talked last week about

240
00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,240
how it was like an experimental underground movie and then

241
00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,080
he went into sexploitation and it was like a step down.

242
00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:35,240
This is a exploitation movie. It is a thirty minute

243
00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,080
exploitation movie. It's like a it kind of is. It's

244
00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,879
very experimental, like Fluctuations, but it has a little bit

245
00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:43,480
of a narrative. It's like a stag party with a

246
00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,240
bunch of girls that show up. There's two May West

247
00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,639
songs from her nineteen sixty seven rock album before John

248
00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,600
Waters used them in Mondo Trashow. I only recognized one

249
00:12:53,639 --> 00:12:57,559
actress in it, and that was Marie Prevost, who's in Vibrations.

250
00:12:57,879 --> 00:13:00,799
She's the older sister to Maria Lease That and she's

251
00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,679
in a few other Sarnos. There's a topless blonde who

252
00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,039
looks like Gigi Darlene but is not gg Darlene. It's

253
00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:08,799
shot in black and white in color, and he cuts

254
00:13:08,799 --> 00:13:11,480
back and forth between black and white and color very

255
00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:15,120
frantically sometimes like the editing is really crazy and wild.

256
00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,720
And it ends with a woman with long rapunzel hair

257
00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,559
accidentally flushing her hair down the toilet so that it

258
00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,000
strangles her. And then that's it. That's the end of

259
00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:29,840
the movie. So it's wild. I took a lot of photos.

260
00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:31,200
Speaker 2: What's the dream?

261
00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,879
Speaker 4: There's no dream. There's there's no one that you see

262
00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:37,240
falling asleep, there's no one in bed sleeping. There there's

263
00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:39,759
nothing it's a stag party with a bunch of guys

264
00:13:40,159 --> 00:13:42,679
who also disrobe. There's male nudity in it, and there's

265
00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,440
two drag queens at the party. So I'm like, I

266
00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,600
think lending more credence to the fact that Joel is queer,

267
00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:51,480
and also Joel is in the movie, yes, as one

268
00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,200
of the guys at the stag party. So I took

269
00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,440
photos and video and I will post those into something

270
00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,759
weird Facebook group, and then I think you can post

271
00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:04,480
a bunch of them to the to our Instagram so

272
00:14:04,519 --> 00:14:06,759
people have an idea of what Joel was doing before

273
00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,559
he did these American film distributing company movies. And it's

274
00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,600
all shot in one apartment, super cheap and just looks

275
00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:16,320
like he got a bunch of his friends together and

276
00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,200
have them take their clothes off with a few models.

277
00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:23,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's what you do for your first movie, right.

278
00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:26,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, that saved the day. It was.

279
00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,279
Speaker 4: It was worth seeing that for sure. And the fact

280
00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:31,039
that it ended with a woman being strangled, strangled by

281
00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,639
her toilet is pretty great.

282
00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:37,200
Speaker 5: So yeah, that was pretty great.

283
00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,480
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it's it's very it's a very good

284
00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:43,720
shot to end on this woman. Basically, yeah, you'll see it,

285
00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:44,600
we'll post it.

286
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sent us the video like wait, what is

287
00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,360
going on here? Because it's so awkwardly edited with her

288
00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,399
like skimming around and her hair. Yeah, it's it's very

289
00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:56,559
first short film.

290
00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,639
Speaker 4: It's quite something. But and you can see it if

291
00:14:59,639 --> 00:15:02,159
you're in New York go to Filmmaker's co op. You

292
00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,440
can make an appointment and rent the room for fifty dollars.

293
00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,519
It's fifty dollars an hour, so you can actually watch

294
00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:10,279
the movie twice if you want, for fifty dollars. I

295
00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,120
only watched it once because it was the end of

296
00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:14,600
the day and I don't want to I don't want

297
00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,759
to make this poor projectionist work to spool it up again.

298
00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:19,840
Speaker 2: Did they say anything about it?

299
00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:22,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was just like, well, was that what you

300
00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:24,080
thought it was going to be? And I said, no,

301
00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,759
there's a lot of nudity in it.

302
00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:29,279
Speaker 5: It was. It was.

303
00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,039
Speaker 4: It's very it's very yeah, it's very sexploitation. And I

304
00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,879
was like, well, he did make movies like this, but yeah,

305
00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,840
not as experimental and weird as this.

306
00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:43,240
Speaker 2: Is it so more fluctuation style like full frontal or is.

307
00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:45,759
Speaker 4: It there is? Yes, there is full frontal? Isn't there's

308
00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,879
male full frontal as well, Like there's full nudity in this,

309
00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,519
which is very surprising. It's not as annoying as fluctuations.

310
00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:56,679
The soundtrack is better. You don't have a lot of money.

311
00:15:56,879 --> 00:15:59,879
Over and over, the musical soundtrack is good. There's a

312
00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:04,480
really good sequence to where the guys are mauling this blonde,

313
00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,840
topless blonde on a table and they're just getting handfulds

314
00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,799
of her breasts, and it plays a gospel version of

315
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,759
He's got the whole world in his hands while they

316
00:16:14,799 --> 00:16:17,720
have her breasts in all of their hands. I was like, Joel,

317
00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:22,279
that's so clever, Joel, he got your hands full, He

318
00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:25,720
got the whole world in his hands. Yeah, it's it's

319
00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,200
it's an interesting call. It's an interesting first feature, and

320
00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,120
he got it in theaters all over the country somehow

321
00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,759
because it was also I think it kind of is

322
00:16:35,799 --> 00:16:38,440
reminiscent of something that like Warhol or somebody trying to

323
00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:39,519
be Warhol would have made.

324
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:40,799
Speaker 2: It was worth it.

325
00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:42,759
Speaker 4: It was worth it. It was worth fifty dollars, I'll

326
00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:43,440
put it that way.

327
00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:46,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting that parts of it were shot in collar,

328
00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,440
probably just because it was shorter. So it's not like

329
00:16:50,679 --> 00:16:53,320
the expense of a full feature in color, but he's

330
00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,080
able to like splash splash a little bit on there. Right.

331
00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,039
Speaker 4: But it also I mean it looks like he shot

332
00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,360
see he should look like he shot scenes in black

333
00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:02,919
and white and then he shot them again in color

334
00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,319
because he shoot that he went back and forth between

335
00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:07,960
black and white and color in the same scene. So

336
00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:10,720
you're seeing the action in black and white and color.

337
00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,559
Get it's the editing, and it is really great. I

338
00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:15,599
mean it's it makes you wonder why in Hot Blood

339
00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,079
is such a mess, and then Fluctuations has good editing.

340
00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,279
But yeah, this is really a better edited picture than

341
00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:23,440
anything else. I think the editing is really strong.

342
00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:29,000
Speaker 2: So if they ever did release Fluctuations in Hot Blood

343
00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:32,200
as like whatever, a blu ray down the road, I mean,

344
00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,960
we could get this scanned presumably, right, Yeah, I mean

345
00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:36,319
it's work.

346
00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:39,680
Speaker 4: It has a copyright on it has a copyright on

347
00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:43,599
it to him, but he's no longer here, so it's

348
00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:44,680
not an enforceable content.

349
00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,160
Speaker 5: Well, he's in hiding.

350
00:17:47,319 --> 00:17:49,559
Speaker 4: I mean, he's in he's eighty three years old somewhere,

351
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,279
not a clue, so yeah, yeah, I mean it's possible

352
00:17:54,319 --> 00:17:56,440
filmmakers call up his I think it's pretty good about

353
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,160
that kind of thing. I believe they are, so that's

354
00:17:59,160 --> 00:17:59,839
a possibility.

355
00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:00,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

356
00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:02,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, they said I could come back and ey time

357
00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:03,799
I wanted to watch it again.

358
00:18:04,519 --> 00:18:06,400
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not fifty.

359
00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:07,599
Speaker 5: I told them.

360
00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,480
Speaker 4: I told them you might be hearing from more people

361
00:18:09,519 --> 00:18:11,240
now that they know that you have it, and they

362
00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,279
were like, okay, yeah, sure, And I was like, I

363
00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:14,759
don't know, sexpectation.

364
00:18:14,839 --> 00:18:15,519
Speaker 5: People are weird.

365
00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:17,880
Speaker 4: They might really want to see this to check it off.

366
00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,160
Speaker 2: You know, Sean is booking a flight right now.

367
00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,279
Speaker 4: Alex is coming down. He wants to see it. Yeah, yeah,

368
00:18:25,319 --> 00:18:27,079
we have, Yeah, we have. We have people that are

369
00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:29,160
coming in. Actually, Joe Ruben could even.

370
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,640
Speaker 2: Go, yeah, that's so funny.

371
00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:31,599
Speaker 3: All right.

372
00:18:31,599 --> 00:18:33,799
Speaker 2: You got a couple of last ones far as Casey.

373
00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:37,519
Speaker 4: Yes, the last one, well, the brief one is that

374
00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:42,079
I said Jennifer, the nineteen seventy Seymour Duels Duelists movie

375
00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:44,960
that Stanford and put out was in black and white.

376
00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,480
It is not isn't in color. I confuse it with Marina,

377
00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:49,319
which is in black and white by the same director.

378
00:18:49,559 --> 00:18:51,880
And I had to correct that because I didn't want

379
00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,039
people thinking I hadn't seen Jennifer when I have, and

380
00:18:54,079 --> 00:18:56,359
I do love it. It's just been a while and

381
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,440
the press book's in black and white, so it's very confusing.

382
00:18:58,640 --> 00:18:59,839
Speaker 5: The big thing that.

383
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,359
Speaker 4: Sean Langrig messes me about before we started recording was, so,

384
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,599
you know how we're big fans of Doris Pooro on

385
00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,079
this podcast. Turns out we're big fans of Ruth Cologne,

386
00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:18,680
not Doris. Everybody has in Hot Blood is the blonde Roberta,

387
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,000
who is also in love is where it's at and

388
00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:25,359
my cup running is over and he confirmed this. I'm

389
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,799
first of all shocks because any any name in these

390
00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:30,039
movies I think is fake. So I don't know where

391
00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:32,799
he thought Doris Poro real name. Let's let's research this.

392
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,559
She probably she most likely did write those books that

393
00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:41,720
that Sean sent us, uh, because she was married to

394
00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:46,359
another writer who wrote erotic paperbacks, but they were gay

395
00:19:46,599 --> 00:19:47,720
erotic paperbacks.

396
00:19:47,839 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. My theory is it was kind of an Emmanuel

397
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,640
situation there where they were probably both either working books

398
00:19:54,799 --> 00:19:57,440
or he wrote them put her name on it because

399
00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:57,960
it's sexy.

400
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,759
Speaker 4: Well, now Sean messes me now with evidence that this

401
00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:03,359
guy might have been gay. But they had a kid,

402
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,119
that daughter it looks like she dumped the daughter with

403
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,599
her parents in Indiana and then ran off to Florida,

404
00:20:09,599 --> 00:20:13,519
where she died in twenty twelve. And the daughter has

405
00:20:13,519 --> 00:20:16,880
posted saying, you know, she's posted on social media saying

406
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,319
she really doesn't understand her mother. It was a very

407
00:20:20,319 --> 00:20:23,799
complicated relationship. And so I'm like, do I poke this bear, Like,

408
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,559
do I ask anything? Do I bring up the fact

409
00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:29,039
that her mother was in these these Neuti cuties in

410
00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:32,039
the sixties. Kasehan found a picture of what she looked

411
00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:35,119
like with her with what Doris looked like with her mother,

412
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:40,480
and it's that same, you know, down down downward, you know,

413
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,880
grumpy cat look that she had in all of her movies.

414
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,559
So Doris Poro is the blonde Ruth Cologne is Rita

415
00:20:48,759 --> 00:20:51,720
the Latina lead, which is strange because you would think

416
00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:54,200
that the lead the first build would be the lead

417
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,160
of the movie, which would be Rita, but it's not.

418
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 2: So I think that's where the confusion originated.

419
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, because one would assume she's the lead.

420
00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:06,319
But uh, but yeah, I mean it's really weird. Sean

421
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,920
is wild. Sean's research skills are wild, I'm telling you.

422
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,640
And then I was telling him stuff and he was

423
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,200
using that to find more stuff. So yeah, I guess

424
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:16,880
we're dangerous.

425
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:18,559
Speaker 6: Yes, we're both.

426
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 5: We're both a special kind.

427
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 4: Of dangerous when it comes to this kind of research.

428
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 2: So we might have more that's updates.

429
00:21:24,759 --> 00:21:26,519
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he just messes me. What did he say?

430
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,240
We found more Doris Poro books?

431
00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah, if you looked at our show notes from

432
00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:35,799
our last episode, we had a link to a couple

433
00:21:35,759 --> 00:21:38,359
of books you could read from Doris Poro and they

434
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:43,960
are filthy, so yes, they are in there. Yeah, that's

435
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:44,799
so weird.

436
00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 4: I think that's it.

437
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 2: What if we just have updates for this every single

438
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,519
week news stuff is coming out.

439
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,519
Speaker 4: I don't know, because I still might hear back from

440
00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:55,599
the partner. I don't know.

441
00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll end it there, because we could go

442
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:58,400
on on this.

443
00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:01,039
Speaker 4: But when it be wild if I finally heard back

444
00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:04,200
from What's your Face Arlene Farber, who I messaged how

445
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,680
many weeks ago to about two Girls for a Madman

446
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,359
and she finally gets back to me, yeah, I mean, we.

447
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:11,519
Speaker 5: Could go all the way back.

448
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 4: So I've reached I've emailed that. I mean I've emailed

449
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,000
people for almost every episode I'm just having her back

450
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,400
from everybody, all right, Americans exploitation anything else.

451
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 6: Let's get classy, all right, buy New York.

452
00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:30,799
Speaker 7: Remember all those things you did.

453
00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 4: For me, Don't call me Phil.

454
00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:41,039
Speaker 7: You're as bad as I worse because you did it

455
00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:47,519
for money.

456
00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:51,039
Speaker 2: Kind of the segue too is like for you guys

457
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,880
to quote in Chris, and especially this film that we're

458
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,559
going to talk about, there are cast members in it

459
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,839
that again like there's confusion about their names.

460
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,799
Speaker 6: Right, especially for this because like we're only watching this

461
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,960
through the dub of it too. We're also like it's

462
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000
kind of sad, right Like with this, it's like they

463
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,880
have the English translations of even like the cast and crew,

464
00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:13,759
which like some of them do match like someone you

465
00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:15,599
could pair it up with, but other ones seem kind

466
00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:16,000
of made up.

467
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,319
Speaker 2: H Yeah. So segue Dakota, Chris, thanks for coming on.

468
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,079
Introduce yourself real quick.

469
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,039
Speaker 6: I'm Dakota.

470
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 8: Yeah.

471
00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 6: I guess we're both artists and professors based in Los Angeles.

472
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,000
So we're doing the more West coast over here.

473
00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:33,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got West coast, midwest, East coast, casey, we

474
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:34,880
got everything covered here.

475
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, that's true.

476
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 6: I escaped.

477
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 5: Congratulations.

478
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys might not know that both Dakota and

479
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,640
I are from North Dakota.

480
00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 4: Really wow, oh wow. There's a lot of exciting stuff

481
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,440
happening in North Dakota. And those sure, all these all

482
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,400
these film bands we didn't know in North Dakota.

483
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 5: That's great. I love it.

484
00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:01,039
Speaker 2: Wait were you born in Bismarck, remember Dakota.

485
00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 6: I'm born in the Twin Cities but raised in Bismarck.

486
00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I was born in Bismarck and raised in the

487
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:12,119
Twin Cities for the flip so funny. Anyways, So Dakota

488
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,119
Chris hosts of the two of the pink Ou podcast,

489
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,519
and so we asked them on to talk about this

490
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,799
film because it's kind of an oddity. It's from an

491
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:29,240
era when Bob Kressy our friend producer, sorry, distributor, well,

492
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:33,279
distributor and producer, right casey, Yes, accurate.

493
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 4: Yes both yeaheah, he did both.

494
00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: He was doing a lot of pickups of sixties Japanese

495
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:44,319
exploitation films and The Bite was one of them. This

496
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,480
is I think we can categorize it as a pink film.

497
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,480
You know, I was reading Jasper's book again recently, and

498
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,519
he has a pretty rigid there. It is definition of it.

499
00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:55,920
Do you want to kind of help us out here, guys?

500
00:24:56,839 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I guess like he's probably more rigid

501
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,319
than I guess, like I would be with it too.

502
00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:03,480
Like him, pink film has to be made by an

503
00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:07,759
independent production, right, so this would fit the bill. I mean,

504
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,039
he does loop in like Roman Porno Nakatsu's brand into

505
00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:13,519
its history, but like I guess, like maybe it was

506
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:15,920
limited information at the time, Like he kind of ignores

507
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,960
like the pink films that Toy distributed that are not

508
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,480
pinky violins. H yeah, So hopefully it gets updated in

509
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:26,039
the new book. I don't know, like he is scared

510
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:29,480
of like the nastier side of the genre too interesting.

511
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about the Roman X stuff. Yeah, because

512
00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:36,880
that's not thirty five millimeters, so he doesn't include it

513
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,880
in his categoris.

514
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 6: But they blew it up to thirty five Oh yeah.

515
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they did like a boarding house where they

516
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:47,319
shot it on video and then blew it up for theatrical.

517
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:49,799
Speaker 6: And like the National Film Archive of Japan archive the

518
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,440
thirty five print of it, which is insane, like what

519
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,400
would it look like?

520
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:55,319
Speaker 4: I had no idea.

521
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So nineteen sixty five, Jasper was writing about how

522
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,759
that was a huge year for pink films, So clearly

523
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,440
like Bob Kressey was seeing what was going on over there.

524
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,759
I don't know how he exactly heard about these films.

525
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,759
I think that they Yeah, I don't know if typically, Yeah.

526
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:18,799
Speaker 4: Novak and Metzger were the same way, I believe, because

527
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,000
they would go to film markets and these would be marketed, yeah,

528
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,519
like can or other international film markets at that time.

529
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So Bob Kressey picked up a few of these.

530
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:33,039
I don't know what the first was. Do you, Casey

531
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,880
what the order was for any of these years on?

532
00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:40,599
Speaker 4: I don't, Yeah, I don't they were typically well, I

533
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:44,480
feel like the really big years in American were sixty

534
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:45,839
six to sixty eight.

535
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I.

536
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 4: Think after that, like Cressy's quota is saying, these didn't

537
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,920
make money, and I'm really interested to know why that was,

538
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:57,400
because European titles didn't have that issue. I mean, racism

539
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,440
is the obvious issue, but also is it like is

540
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,960
it the audiences of these films at that time were

541
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,319
like old men who had gone through World War Two?

542
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:09,519
So is there some residual resentment of Japan or any

543
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:13,240
Asian countries in cinema because of World War Two resentment,

544
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,200
which of course is also there's there's racism in that too,

545
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:18,920
But yeah, it's just interesting that there was just it

546
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,440
was a little blip where they imported these films and

547
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,440
then it stopped. And then Novak didn't put in Notori's Concubines,

548
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,039
which is not great and I don't care for that movie,

549
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,400
and then that was it, and then it was kind

550
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,240
of like, you know, and then I feel like maybe

551
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,279
in the realm of the census kind of changed that again.

552
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:42,359
But yeah, it's very it's a very strange mission, right, Yeah,

553
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,200
it's a very strange omission in sexploitation releases in America

554
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:50,279
that like Japan and even like the Shaw Brothers exploitation

555
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,640
isn't imported either, So it's like, yeah, it's just like

556
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:56,680
a complete omission of anything from Asian countries in terms

557
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,680
of the sex market.

558
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, Daydream was a big one

559
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:05,359
to break through. You've seen that, right, Dakota tell us

560
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,119
about Daydream.

561
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,599
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess like Daydream is also probably like

562
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,680
the most artistic thing to merge from the pink full market.

563
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:14,440
That's not from Wakamatsu, right, I mean just like the

564
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,119
style of it, I almost think of it almost a

565
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,720
similar to like Carnival of Souls, the nightmarish sequences in it.

566
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:21,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that were added, But I mean.

567
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,319
Speaker 6: Wakamatsu at the time too, is playing in Europe, right

568
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,240
like he was having success and leaning to the controversy

569
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:29,680
of that to coming back to Japan. So it's like

570
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,079
there's an awareness of like what crossed over? I mean

571
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,400
it's interesting. I felt like like okay, but the previous conversation,

572
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,720
I would almost assume more Pink film had played. But

573
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:40,839
like I guess, like leading up to this podcast, like wow,

574
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,079
there really isn't a lot. Maybe also Germany was really

575
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:48,200
more open to importing this Pink product, right.

576
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, the English dubb is the only thing that's available

577
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,960
for the Bite unless we find the lost German print.

578
00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:01,000
Yeah right and even then right right, right, Yeah, there's

579
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,519
so yeah, there's the Forbidden Techniques, which is another kan

580
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:08,960
Mukai movie which is in German. So, Dakota, is there

581
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,880
any hope to hear the original soundtrack for the Bite?

582
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,000
I think was my question?

583
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 6: No, So, like the National Five of Japan doesn't have

584
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:21,319
a copy of this, so like, by all intentsive purposes,

585
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:23,440
this is it, and no one Japan has actually even

586
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,920
seen this since it originally screened as well, Like they're

587
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,319
they're kind of frust around their end apparently, like maybe

588
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,000
like Tennis years ago, there were some Japanese fans that

589
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,880
bought the American DVD. They like they wanted to like

590
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,319
experience this, but yeah, it's probably never gonna happen.

591
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too bad because I think that is you know,

592
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:45,039
I've talked with Alex about this and Casey a bit.

593
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:49,039
I don't know how closely he was following the script

594
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:52,519
when they rewrote this English dub. Do you guys get

595
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:54,680
that feeling when you watch it that it might not

596
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,240
be exactly what the original plot was? How do you.

597
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:02,279
Speaker 6: Guess follow it? Weirdly enough, they kept some Japanese in

598
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:03,440
it during the assault scene.

599
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know.

600
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,759
Speaker 4: They don't want to dub that over for some reason.

601
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,079
Speaker 5: Good stuff, right, right, Yeah, it's kind of wild. Yeah

602
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:15,039
I would have Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't know. I mean, honestly,

603
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,400
I don't think much much changed because I think it

604
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:20,359
was pretty kind of close. Right.

605
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 6: Also, we're not really talking about like an a tour

606
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,000
of the genre too, where like he already is making

607
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,759
kind of like safe sellable product. There's not going to

608
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:31,880
be probably like buried context within it. It's probably it's

609
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,880
not like a Wakamatsu film, like I'll be honest, right, Yeah.

610
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,839
Speaker 2: The the over like the narration that goes over the

611
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:44,079
top of some of the dialogue scene. That's that's what

612
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:46,559
always throws me off. I'm like, why did he do this?

613
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,640
Is that part of the original script, Like is that

614
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,200
how it was playing out where they're like eating and

615
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,079
talking at a table and then you hear their inner thoughts.

616
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:59,359
Speaker 6: It's yeah, Madam also do that, Like I haven't watched

617
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,160
in a while.

618
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 4: Naked Pursuit definitely does, yeah, which.

619
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 6: I think they're dubbing to explain what's happening because they're

620
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,839
not given enough sound. I mean, pin film doesn't really

621
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:10,440
isn't too heavy on dialogue.

622
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:13,839
Speaker 5: No, right, yeah, yeah, I think Madam does that. There's

623
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,440
some parts where we do like see hear the or

624
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,359
like we see on the switch.

625
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 6: Also makes it better because the dubbing of the actress

626
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,119
in it is like hi can't.

627
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, she do just make that movie even more than

628
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,720
it like should be, especially like when she's dubbing the

629
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:32,440
nurse right, the main actress is the nurse. I forgot

630
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,680
the name, but yeah, like there's just it's really I

631
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,640
think that's what makes the that movie a little bit

632
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,799
more uh fun.

633
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,599
Speaker 6: Have I rewatched The Adolescent?

634
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:42,359
Speaker 4: I have, Yes, I have, but it's been a while

635
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,119
and I need to revisit it because I have the

636
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,079
DVDR of it.

637
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: Ooh.

638
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:49,359
Speaker 6: I mean that's probably like the most like sexploitation, like

639
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:52,319
pink film sexploitation like one to one I could think

640
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:55,880
of too. It's like it's yeah, it's not doing something

641
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,119
too weird in a sense either. I mean, well I

642
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,680
think there's incest in it, but like.

643
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 4: You know, casual.

644
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was also put out by Bob Kressey's

645
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:10,200
Olympic International so.

646
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:14,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, which also did Private like survive in Japan either,

647
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,240
Like his selection is very weird of like what he

648
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,160
hooked up to, Like I don't know if like a

649
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:22,920
Japanese audiences or even like the production with like Cocoa

650
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,720
Wa wasn't like, oh this is the one we want

651
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:25,960
to like have survived.

652
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is strange. I almost you know, watching the bite,

653
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,319
it's I think that he definitely was attracted to the

654
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,920
two way mirror situation because if you've heard anything about

655
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:43,160
the stories of Bob Gressy, he apparently had a two

656
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,160
way mer in his office and he did a lot

657
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:53,200
of interesting voyeuristic stuff with cameras in his living quarters.

658
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:59,359
So anyways, you know what I'm talking about.

659
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,319
Speaker 5: And then what was what was?

660
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:03,319
Speaker 4: There was one of his movies, was it Manta Bizarro

661
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:05,759
or Manda Freudo that had that opening.

662
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: With open on it? Yeah, obvious mixed up too.

663
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,359
Speaker 4: So like that's one of his things. It's yeah, it's

664
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,279
like it's like the best kind of voyeurism. But also

665
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,960
it makes me think of cops, so you know, it

666
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,480
makes me think, it makes me it makes me think

667
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:21,240
of power dynamic and so it's like Cressy's like, why

668
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,599
have all the power? Because I can see everything? And

669
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,240
that's very crassy, this power mad little tyrant.

670
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeaheah. Well, I also wonder you know, he's going to

671
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,880
these markets and purchasing these films. He might not have

672
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,359
even seen them, right, He's probably just basing his purchase

673
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,640
off of of of one sheet.

674
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:40,799
Speaker 4: Well that's what Doris did with her Greek films. She

675
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:42,000
didn't watch those two films.

676
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 5: She just bought them.

677
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,839
Speaker 4: That's why when she lost the script of one, she

678
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,480
just made it up because she hadn't seen it, so

679
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:48,559
she didn't know what it was about.

680
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: Right, That's kind of my basis for you. When I

681
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,279
watched this, like and I wasn't sure if is this

682
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:56,079
a you know, Doris Wishman situation where they don't have

683
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,519
a script and they're just going off of watching the

684
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:02,599
film and redubbing it. Well, and like you said, Casey,

685
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,400
when I listened to again, it does sound like John

686
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,920
Alderman does the male.

687
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:13,599
Speaker 4: So it's John Alderman, Yeah, which is John Alderman? Yeah,

688
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,000
you know that voice that sounds like it's like even

689
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:19,599
young John Alderman still sounds like he's smoking like thirty

690
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,119
cigarettes a day, yeah, or more like yeah it's yeah,

691
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,559
that's what killed him ultimately, but yeah, I mean yeah,

692
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:28,679
his voice is very recognizable, so it's very strange to

693
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,239
hear that on the soundtrack. But also well, in terms

694
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,159
of the dubbing, I don't remember how long the original

695
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,760
movie's supposed to be, but the American version is only

696
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,679
what sixty one minutes long or something, so it's possible

697
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,360
that that that voiceovers also added because there were expository

698
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,079
scenes that were cut out where it would have explained

699
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,920
it more, or maybe there was something that involved writing

700
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,039
in Japanese and they didn't want to spend the money

701
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,199
to subtitle it or dub over it. They were just

702
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,880
kind of like, we're just gonna explain what the situation

703
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,639
is and what these characters are thinking rather than show it.

704
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,960
And also they're dealing with audiences that I think a

705
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,800
lot of distributors look down on and they're just like, well,

706
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,440
these are just dirty perverts that want to like see

707
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,159
a sex movie, So we're not gonna if anything is

708
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,519
remotely art artful, then they're gonna be turned off. So

709
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:18,800
there's probably maybe a little bit of that in there too.

710
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: Well, Dakota, what were the other you know, you've seen

711
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,880
quite a bit of You guys have both seen quite

712
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,679
a bit of Don McKay's stuff, you know from this period.

713
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,639
It was sixty seventy minutes long.

714
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I mean that's like standard length. I mean,

715
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,920
I guess, like Gather, it's kind of a like a

716
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:37,320
confusion on the cutting of this. I mean, it's a

717
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,559
weird director to pull up in a sense too, because

718
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:42,440
like he's very competent. Also, he's more important as like

719
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,119
a producer too, like all the upcoming Sado titles, right,

720
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:50,360
like that's Mukai's baby, like he produced the film.

721
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:56,559
Speaker 2: Like he's a really important character in the history of

722
00:35:56,599 --> 00:36:01,000
pink film. Correct. Yeah, that like nobody talks about really,

723
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:03,159
I mean in the West at least, he's kind of

724
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:07,360
because his directorial stuff is so hard to find, and

725
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:10,599
his like behind the scenes stuff is maybe not as

726
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:12,119
maybe not well known, right.

727
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:14,079
Speaker 5: I would say maybe his behind the scenes stuff was

728
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,840
a little bit more prolific. But again, like most people

729
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,840
would know because they would only know like the certain.

730
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:21,599
Speaker 6: Thing, you know what he produced, like over one hundred

731
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:25,400
groper trains. That especially.

732
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 4: The fact that there were over one hundred groper trains

733
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,480
is really wild.

734
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Jasper Sharp he calls them molester train movies, groper.

735
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:38,639
Speaker 6: Train little less.

736
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think that probably.

737
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 4: Goes I'm not sure which probably than you know, groper

738
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:49,119
trains sounds more palatable than molester trains.

739
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:51,519
Speaker 2: I think it rolls off the tongue a little bit better.

740
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:55,599
Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, I prefer groper train for obvious reasons.

741
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are right, you are nothing.

742
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 5: But a male whore.

743
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 4: What did you say?

744
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 9: What was it?

745
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 4: You sell yourself for money?

746
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:19,519
Speaker 2: Damn you? Well, you guys, tell us more about like

747
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,519
some of these have you seen some of these other

748
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:24,719
pickups from Bob Kressey, like Slave Widow? Have you seen that?

749
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 5: One?

750
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 6: Slave Widow was also put out on DVD by Send

751
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,960
Him an Epic two and I think it's also available

752
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,559
like you could rent on Amazon Prime, like right now.

753
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:35,800
It's a young appearance by Nami Tani too. It's very moody,

754
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,559
very dramatic. It's by Memora watt Nabe, who's kind of

755
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:43,199
like a master of melo drama too. Kemu Kai actually

756
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,199
does like pick him up and then produce a bunch

757
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:47,800
of his films. There's also a weird confusion like in

758
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,880
the seventies where wat Nabe might have like directed films

759
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,400
that Mukai then like listed his name as like, oh,

760
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,119
it's my film instead too, So there's kind of drama

761
00:37:57,199 --> 00:37:59,760
between that and they're all dead right, so like who

762
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,280
knows what the situation is going to.

763
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 4: Be, But we can keep fighting in that, right, Yeah,

764
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,559
it matters, right exactly, We're going to keep that fight going, right.

765
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,039
Speaker 6: That's interesting, but it's very watchable. It's more stylish maybe

766
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,119
than this, a little bit more of the melodrama. The

767
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,639
music's a little better too, It's not as heavy on

768
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:22,559
the contrast of it. But it's another like very odd peculiarity,

769
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,719
like why does this one survive versus more interesting titles

770
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:28,280
like for me, like the Gap in the sixties would

771
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,400
be like more of like the BDSM films like the

772
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,559
First Flower and Snake adaptations from sixty five. Yeah, like

773
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:36,360
that's what I wish, like they imported and had survived.

774
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,880
It's not like always more standard like New Waves Gone

775
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,400
Pink titles that we get.

776
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 5: Maybe it's just because some of the stuff that did

777
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,440
survive is more palatable compared to like some of us,

778
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,920
like because I guess some of us like more a

779
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,840
little bit more extreme, a little bit experimental.

780
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 6: I bet that's so. I'm curious, Like when you watch this,

781
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,719
like coming from Sexploitation, is maybe like the bite a

782
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,719
little kind of tame in a sense or kind of boring.

783
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, okay, yeah, well yeah, And I've also seen

784
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,920
it described as like a Sun Tribe film, which is

785
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,480
similar to like The Weird Love Makers or The Warped Ones,

786
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:12,280
which was imported by a Dubon and then marketed as

787
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,519
a sex movie when it's really not a sex movie.

788
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:18,000
It's like a rebellious youth movie. And so the Bite

789
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:19,519
is kind of more like that to me, with a

790
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:22,400
little bit of kink added to it. But something like

791
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,400
Naked Pursuit is much. I mean, I really intentionally disliked that.

792
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 5: Movie, but we both like that one. I haven't seen

793
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,119
it yet, Oh my god.

794
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:39,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the whole movie is just it's it's

795
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:43,239
we were talking about moaning on the soundtrack last refluctuations,

796
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:46,559
a lot of moaning and echo plex and stuff, and

797
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:49,239
it's just this woman getting assaulted over and over and over.

798
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,800
So I think the slow motion probably destroyed me too.

799
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:56,920
But I think you're right, Chris, and that I think

800
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,519
I imagine something like a Flower and Snake adaptation from

801
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:03,480
sixty five I might have been a little too graphic

802
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:06,719
or subversive for American s exploitation at that time, because

803
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,480
we hadn't seen like Michael Finley movies where we have

804
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:14,159
insane sequences of like a woman having sex with you know,

805
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:17,199
a gourd or you know, like or you know, or

806
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,800
a baby or an adult baby in like a crib

807
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,639
so like I think American sexploitation producers or distributors are

808
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:27,320
probably like, well, this has enough stuff that I know

809
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,199
can sell. But if it was something that was really

810
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,800
heavy PDSM, I don't even think American films were really

811
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,920
doing that well until like the late sixties early seventies

812
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,159
when they finally and actually hardcore. I think hardcore tackled

813
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:43,760
it much more vividly, and yet Zapam wasn't even doing

814
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:44,840
that either for a while.

815
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,199
Speaker 2: So yeah, in Daydream there is like some bondage sequences

816
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,559
and there's the electrical chord sequence, which Cressey would do

817
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:57,159
again with Lee Frost in the Pickup, So it's like, true,

818
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,199
I wonder if he stole that from Daydream. But even

819
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:05,559
with Daydream, I feel like it's coded in this dream sequence.

820
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,320
So maybe that was more sellable to a US audience

821
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,760
where it's not like this is is this really happening?

822
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,199
Maybe not so they can they can sit through it.

823
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:14,760
I don't know.

824
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,519
Speaker 5: I mean, it's like what everybody goes through, like when

825
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:19,239
they get a root canal or something is that they

826
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:25,079
go under and it's like vampire Like why is my

827
00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:28,519
T shirt a little different? You know, like my exactly.

828
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 4: Exactly. I had my wisdom teeth ought that is, that's

829
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,519
exactly what happened. Yea, it's a it's a relatable content film,

830
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,320
yes exactly. We've all been through it.

831
00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think I would say just because

832
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,159
I think you and Casey and I share the same

833
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:49,880
thing about the bite. We kind of we both gave

834
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,360
it two and a half stars.

835
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 4: I actually raised it half a star after watching it today,

836
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,159
but I gave it to before see I like it

837
00:41:58,199 --> 00:41:58,840
a little more.

838
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, because again, and I just like I thought it

839
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,159
was competent. I go, Okay, this is very sixties, very

840
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,280
the black and white, which I love. I love black

841
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,039
and white cinema. However, I was just bored.

842
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,039
Speaker 4: I wanted it to go harder. I wanted it to

843
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:17,480
go harder. I think that was the problem. Yeah, because

844
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,599
I was like, oh, this this has such potential to

845
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,000
be so perverse, and it's like it toys with it

846
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,760
but not enough for me. That's just that's just my

847
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:28,480
little sexploitation, you know, perversion where I'm like, I want

848
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:31,360
to see something a little more edgy, and I think

849
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,400
this is very like Yeah, that's why I agree with

850
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,519
people who are like this is a suntribe type of film,

851
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:40,559
because it really is. And also something that I always

852
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:42,599
say is like there's so much male energy in this

853
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,079
I'm just like, give me a woman to focus on.

854
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:46,719
I don't want to focus on a dude.

855
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:48,639
Speaker 5: Give me a woman that I can follow.

856
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: That's why Slave Widow I love, because you're following this

857
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:53,719
woman and she has to like degrade herself, you know,

858
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,039
which sounds when I say it out loud like that,

859
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:59,360
it sounds really gross of me. But no, no, it's

860
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,960
like it's a compelling.

861
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,519
Speaker 6: These are women's pictures, like this is genre, it's.

862
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 5: A woman's and I personally I didn't mind to see

863
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,880
like the guy become like the object and he's like

864
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,159
he's the one going out for being prostituted and whatnot.

865
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,039
Like that, I didn't mind. I think it's just the

866
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:18,079
way it was kind of filmed felt boring and like

867
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:20,920
we said this too in our even our episodes that

868
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,960
we prefer like when we watch Roman Porno or any

869
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:25,960
kind of pink film, we want to see more of

870
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,159
the woman's story, Like I don't want to hear I

871
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:30,840
don't want to see the perspective of the man, even

872
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,280
like it's just more of like I want to see

873
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,119
the perspective of the woman, whether she is crazy or

874
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,960
something happened to her. It's like we want to know

875
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,480
her story. And I think this one kind of like

876
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:41,599
it teeters and and.

877
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,159
Speaker 6: I mean, but that also kind of makes it odd too,

878
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,599
because like pink film, for the most part, it's like

879
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:49,239
even like female director Sachi Mano is like pink film

880
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,559
wouldn't exist without like a woman, Like that's the core

881
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,280
of the genre. Most pictures, how like a woman is bleed.

882
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,400
It makes it weird that like it's the guy as

883
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,000
the lead and him getting pimped out. And even like

884
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:01,360
the other pink film that you this man typically isn't

885
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,159
I mean a lot of it's not good. I mean

886
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:05,159
like Angel gots high school co ed, which is not

887
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:08,400
being included on the upcoming said right, that's pretty bad.

888
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:14,199
Speaker 10: Oh really Okay, Yeah, so it's like going off with

889
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:16,039
what Dakota says, it's like most of the time, even

890
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:18,559
like when you see films like with Saccio Mono, like

891
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,800
it's very focused on the woman, like we are seeing

892
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,559
like the close ups, the sounds, like.

893
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 6: Even Soto makes women's pictures.

894
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:31,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, so does make women don't tell the new fandom that,

895
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:31,840
but like.

896
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,599
Speaker 4: It's that new fandom. I'm very intrigued to see where

897
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:37,559
that goes. And I know you guys are watching it

898
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:38,079
with like.

899
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,119
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we're I'm obviously I'm like, what are they saying?

900
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 2: I mean those of Blu ray forums.

901
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:48,519
Speaker 5: No, nothing, I see it on letterbox and then like

902
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,960
I also talk to other other friends from letterbox, like

903
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:54,599
you know, we're always like sharing each other. I'm like

904
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:56,840
on Instagram like did you see this post? Did you

905
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,159
see this one? And they're like, oh this person, I'm like, oh,

906
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,639
they're they're a baby, They're a baby. Yeah, going back

907
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,119
to the to the bite, It's just like I yeah,

908
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:11,199
I again, I didn't hate it. There's films that I

909
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,000
do not like and I would even rate, but this

910
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:16,840
one I was like, it's competent. I enjoyed it. I

911
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,840
was just bored watching other ones, like we were watching

912
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,960
recently all the new like the stuff you guys on

913
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,800
the list, I go remember them and others. I'm like

914
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:25,599
I passed out.

915
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,079
Speaker 6: I mean, the Wakamatsu Notorious Concubines one was really wild.

916
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,039
I mean again, like Pink Film doesn't know how to

917
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:37,239
do a period piece right, like at all. It's like

918
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,519
they want to be period piece, and it's like they

919
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:42,719
get lost in the sets. They don't know plot or

920
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,360
how to sexualize it. Like I'm always hoping like I

921
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,760
can find something as like an Hinge, as like Onzo

922
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,679
the Razor from the Pink film side. They don't know

923
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,280
how to like Nakatsu as well too.

924
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,519
Speaker 5: It's like to we could to, we could, Like I

925
00:45:56,519 --> 00:45:59,239
think I would say Toad knows how to like make

926
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:04,039
a like a period piece look good, but it just doesn't,

927
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:07,760
like it doesn't hit the right notes either. It's too actiony.

928
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 6: For me unless it's Toka gawasex man.

929
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh god, I haven't seen them forever.

930
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 11: It's good.

931
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the bite. I wonder, you know, if it

932
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,480
would have been more interesting if we saw more from

933
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:24,480
the perspective of that madam who's yes pulling the strings.

934
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 4: Yes, I think of it had been from her respective,

935
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,360
I would have probably would have been on board and

936
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,079
then her come up and would have probably had more

937
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,679
impact because I would have been like, oh, no, that's

938
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:36,159
my girl.

939
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:37,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

940
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 4: You know.

941
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 6: It is weird that she's not the emphasis though, either,

942
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,360
because like she's the mainstream star of the cast.

943
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:46,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us more about her.

944
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 6: Mostly in supporting roles too. She's also in some early

945
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:52,400
roles for like Shintoho, like the mainstream Shintoho that's not

946
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:55,079
the Pink Film studio as well. So this is kind

947
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:57,480
of like her later era, like where she's like desperate

948
00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:58,360
for money and work.

949
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, when he when he told me that we're watching,

950
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:03,880
I was like.

951
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 6: But oh, like of a mere woman of thirty one,

952
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:09,280
so old, so I.

953
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 5: Was like, wow, drag her.

954
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 2: Well it's she doesn't. Well, yeah, she is in that

955
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,559
one sex scene with the Jiggalow boy, but I don't

956
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:22,199
remember if you see much. I guess she does this role, right, It.

957
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 5: Kind of shows like just enough, but it's not like

958
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,440
oh my god, full frontal or like right, yeah right,

959
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,119
it's kind of it's not memorable either.

960
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 6: But she works.

961
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: I guess I could see it as like her slamming

962
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,360
it in this kind of picture.

963
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 6: Maybe you know, she just took the check, which is

964
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:42,199
the same as the actress from Madam O too. It's

965
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,280
like Pink Film was a weird hybrid of like you

966
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,960
had these kind of like washed up actresses. Maybe they

967
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,599
also had done supporting for a major studio where like okay,

968
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:51,880
I need to keep paying the bills. Or then you

969
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,000
have people who came from like underground theater too, like

970
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:58,400
it's like Shoogie Terryama, like the art file, artful side

971
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,360
of like Japan at the time, like he's the find

972
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,920
people who went to pink, which is such an odd

973
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,519
mixture of like respect and like underground. I don't know, yeh.

974
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:09,679
Speaker 5: Or you had like actors or actresses who started in

975
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,199
pink and then they became like more meanstream. It's like

976
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,480
the opposite, right, and you're like oh wow, and then

977
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,119
like some of them are like they don't talk about

978
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:19,480
and others are like, yeah, I did pink, you know,

979
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:21,599
I showed this, I did this.

980
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 6: I am curious that Jasper with his interviews, if there's

981
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,079
any like actors who kind of refuse to get interviewed

982
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:30,440
or don't want to talk about this period of their lives,

983
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,079
I don't know.

984
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:34,119
Speaker 5: I wish.

985
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,199
Speaker 4: I wish every single person who was doing this kind

986
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:39,039
of history would note that, right, I've been like, try

987
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:41,000
to talk to this person. They said, no, try to

988
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:43,159
talk to this person. They hung up on me. Like

989
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,119
at least it would also give you an idea to

990
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,920
other researchers as well, so kind of like, don't bother

991
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:49,360
this person, you know.

992
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I'm hearing is it's similar to the situation

993
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:58,360
with Americans exploiti films, like some actresses embrace it, some don't.

994
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:01,639
Actors and actresses, I should say, also.

995
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,119
Speaker 4: S exploitation was also a place for like slumming people.

996
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of like Jan.

997
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 4: Sterling in The Minx where Jan Sterling worked in studio

998
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,400
films and what she's doing in the Minx in nineteen

999
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,039
sixty nine, or like Elaine Edwards, the star of Pamela

1000
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:17,800
Pamily You are another one, Like she was a Hollywood

1001
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,960
and stage actress. What is she doing in doing unity

1002
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,239
in Pamela Family you are. So there is like that

1003
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,519
parallel in Americans exploitation as well. I don't know if

1004
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:30,639
they would want to talk about it now either, Yeah, yeah,

1005
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:31,679
paycheck movie.

1006
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,599
Speaker 5: I would say, like especially what we found in Pink film,

1007
00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:36,719
like there's not a lot of fortune, there's not a

1008
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,920
lot of research we find with like some of the

1009
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,960
actors and actresses because like again we don't know and

1010
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,400
then there's not much information out there.

1011
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,079
Speaker 6: Like who's I mean. It's also sad too because like

1012
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,440
it's almost like the interest comes too late, where it's

1013
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,840
like the actors who like would know the history, like

1014
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,559
a shiny glubo type who's like better an actor since

1015
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:57,239
the sixties who recently passed away, like they've just died off, right,

1016
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,199
So it's like, yeah, you don't know, we just the

1017
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,440
information with them of like even uncovering like sometimes the

1018
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,320
director's pseudonyms two on different films, like we just won't

1019
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:06,760
know now.

1020
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,119
Speaker 4: Oh I feel that. I feel that every day.

1021
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 5: I feel that.

1022
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 4: Every day I'm was like, oh, they just died two

1023
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,360
years ago, but let's right now, right.

1024
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the weight on the shoulder of every sexploitation

1025
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,840
researcher is like every day that goes by, is you

1026
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,400
were losing more and more information and established knowledge from

1027
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,840
these people. Yeah, it's it is what it is.

1028
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:37,079
Speaker 6: I remember either to like look at the recent issues

1029
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,719
like Ato approved something.

1030
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:43,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, like doesn't even know his own artwork, and.

1031
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm like love that.

1032
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: That is funny. Is there anyone else in this movie

1033
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,159
that you guys know of from pink film?

1034
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 6: That's probably kind of it. I was trying to guess

1035
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,320
that the lead was also acting for Nakatsu but then

1036
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,280
when to pull up his Nikatsu first appearance from seventy two, like,

1037
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,079
unless you like drastically changed, I don't think it would

1038
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:05,199
be him. I mean they're likely chemu Kai also comes

1039
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:08,840
from doing like educational films, and also people work from

1040
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,840
TV as well, which I guess is common sexploitation around

1041
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,159
the world. So the actors are likely coming from theater,

1042
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,159
TV modeling. Maybe some of the girls would have been dancers.

1043
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:23,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, not too dissimilar from American sexploitation, right right.

1044
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:29,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, tough to choice transcends all and like yeah dancers, yeah,

1045
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,639
all this it happens with every sex film. I'm sure

1046
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:33,639
it happens to like German sex films too, in French

1047
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,840
sex films. Yeah, I think it's just a thing. I

1048
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,639
think it's a thing that's it's a global thing where

1049
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,079
sex cinema you're not necessarily going to know everything, and

1050
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:43,840
the people that may know it aren't willing to share.

1051
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 5: It wasn't the same thing that we noticed when when

1052
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,400
we watched the Swedish porno. A lot of the actors

1053
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,199
like in the like the first time actor they're like

1054
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:56,559
coming out of like was it like school, like some

1055
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:59,000
kind of drama school and it just is like the

1056
00:51:59,159 --> 00:51:59,840
first or second.

1057
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,639
Speaker 6: But also they had the lure of like because like, okay,

1058
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:04,920
they're in Sweden, a Japanese studio is hitting up and

1059
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,039
want to work with them. That was kind of exciting too,

1060
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,280
But then some of them refuse to talk about it.

1061
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 5: I mean, I tell we did a like if we

1062
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,079
were younger and we did a film like a sexploitation

1063
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:18,639
film or whatever, or ping film, and if like, as

1064
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:20,199
we get older, I'll be like, yeah, I want to

1065
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,079
talk about it. It was the one film I did.

1066
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:23,920
I want to talk about it. I want to be

1067
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,679
in the futures, right right, you guys, yeah too, Like

1068
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,480
if you were in a like a sex quotation film, whatever,

1069
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:31,400
it kind of be right.

1070
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 6: Just especially if your head was in this trail.

1071
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1072
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 4: Well yeah, Well I found the actress, the lead actress

1073
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,000
of tarot Org Castle. She only made that one movie

1074
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,800
and she was a model, and now she's back in

1075
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,480
Pennsylvania living her life on social media, and I'm like,

1076
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:46,360
do I ask her what it was like to make

1077
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,920
this sexy movie on a castle set. It's like, if

1078
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,039
I were her, I would want to talk about it

1079
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:53,920
and be like that's why maybe there's a reason she

1080
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,440
didn't want to make any other movies. I want to

1081
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:55,840
know why.

1082
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's it's it's I go.

1083
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 4: Of course, it's feel intrusive when you're asking, but it's

1084
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,960
like I just want to know, like knowledge is knowledge

1085
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,360
is power. I just want to know more about this stuff.

1086
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,159
You know, Yeah, no, I gotta yeah. I don't have

1087
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,400
the sweetish stuff actually there. So I think we know

1088
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:16,159
Christina Lindberg is the big one. We know who went

1089
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:19,639
over there and she made what two films, right, yes, yes,

1090
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:22,559
and so like who are some other examples of some

1091
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,119
some of the sweetish stars that went over there, because

1092
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:27,440
I'm totally unfamiliar. I know you have a great list

1093
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,960
on Letter Only, which I have.

1094
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 6: Said that goes over I mean she's a part of

1095
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,599
like the wave of like Sandra Joyan is the first

1096
00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:35,840
that Toy brings over.

1097
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 5: And it's great.

1098
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:37,559
Speaker 10: I didn't know that.

1099
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:40,679
Speaker 6: Dennis Sharon Kelly. They tried to work with Stybe Christell

1100
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,159
but it never worked out interesting, and then the John

1101
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,599
like Toy's like I guess like big budget side of

1102
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:48,440
Erotica kind of dies off, where then after that they

1103
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,519
just do low budget paint films and their subsidiaries like

1104
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:53,639
that kind of power the budget of this, like the

1105
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:54,239
foreign star.

1106
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,119
Speaker 4: They couldn't do that because I know Shaw brothers did

1107
00:53:57,159 --> 00:54:00,400
that in China too, because they've brought over, oh Evelyn

1108
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,599
Kraft who was German, and then there was a Danish

1109
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:05,280
girl they brought over for Bamboo House of Dolls and

1110
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,880
a few other examples. But yeah, I love that list.

1111
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,440
I'm like, where am I going to find these movies

1112
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:10,239
that Dakota has.

1113
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:14,559
Speaker 6: Always well there and there was like a random white girl.

1114
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:16,800
It's like, was she on vacation? It's like is this

1115
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,280
like a model? It's like, can never understand, like explain

1116
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,159
there's a weird one. So Nikatsu has an adult video

1117
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:26,239
from the eighties where they sent an adult video actress

1118
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,599
like Toya and then she goes to u c. L

1119
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:31,679
A and meets another white girl. I'll have to send

1120
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:33,719
you it because like the white guy that they fucking

1121
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,519
that is a guy who has done hardcore porn, yeah,

1122
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,719
but not notable. But he has like a adult film

1123
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,079
archive page. He's not a look.

1124
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,119
Speaker 5: For he's not a look at her. But it's funny

1125
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,679
because like when you see that, I probably love him. Yeah,

1126
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,079
Like a bullet and it's like he's not he's not attractive.

1127
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:55,199
But like when the film, the film starts to use,

1128
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,320
it goes it sees U C L A. And I'm like,

1129
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,880
wait what And then they film in some like a

1130
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:01,519
not apartment, like.

1131
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 6: Just the dorms. What are you talking about?

1132
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 5: No? No, no, no, they did in some hotel. But

1133
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:08,679
it's like you can tell.

1134
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 2: It like they dressed it up like a dorm.

1135
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a meaty hotel. I need to see that.

1136
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,800
It's really simple. But it's the fact it's some random

1137
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,039
like white woman, and then it has the actress from

1138
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:25,159
like I think the Katsu and then and then that's

1139
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,519
like the porn star. So we don't know.

1140
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:31,199
Speaker 6: To go to on the I mean, the worst like

1141
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,000
white person they've done is like taboox perversion. They have

1142
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:36,440
like a German lady. But then they name her Eva Brown.

1143
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, oh my god, and she's that's iconic for all

1144
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:46,920
the wrong reasons.

1145
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:50,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a crazy control, you know, really dealing with

1146
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:52,920
that World War two trauma exactly.

1147
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 4: There's access powers coming together to create adult film. That's crazy. Well,

1148
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,119
I always think the example, I was thinking of someone

1149
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:03,599
on vacation and just wandering into a movie is the

1150
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:08,840
lead of Misstics and Bali that it's like she was

1151
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,039
some diplomat or something and now her head's flying off

1152
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:12,519
her body.

1153
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:13,119
Speaker 6: Here's far.

1154
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just like wherever she went, she had fun

1155
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:18,760
and went away.

1156
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 5: It's I like that the other actress too, Like from

1157
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,119
that era, is that robo? Is that robo? Isn't that robotricks?

1158
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 6: It's the what's.

1159
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 5: Theology Lady Terminator? Yeah? That actual? Yes, I love like

1160
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,239
she just walked into set and they're like.

1161
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 6: Picked up a gun, yeah, picked up at.

1162
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:38,119
Speaker 5: Right.

1163
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,639
Speaker 4: I love that. Those Roppie films are so much fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1164
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:43,159
I love those.

1165
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 6: I mean he does actually go abroad. So in the

1166
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:52,199
nineties he does two home video things for like Toy's

1167
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,800
v Cinema where he goes to Spain. So he takes

1168
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,960
the actress from house like one of them, she plays fantasy.

1169
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,360
It's her grown up as a man. She us off

1170
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,719
into Spain, has its hookups. It's more of an erotic

1171
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,119
thing too. It's really like fun weird. Also, they use

1172
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:09,679
a Spanish cast like I'm like they actually are like

1173
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,920
real like Spanish cruise. That's weird. Like I also I've

1174
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:15,480
never had ever talked about it too. But also the

1175
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:19,360
Japanese cruise tries to speak Spanish.

1176
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,119
Speaker 5: It's it's just magical before the wrong reasons. But like

1177
00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:25,719
it's not like, yeah, it's not a good great film,

1178
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,559
but it's very interesting because like it's just a simple thriller,

1179
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,679
I mean a thriller. It's erotic. It's very erotic. She's

1180
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:33,840
just walking around very like oh, and then you know

1181
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,800
the sex is kind of like just.

1182
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 6: You know, church music play as well as they bang.

1183
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,119
Speaker 5: Why not? It's very plain? What is that?

1184
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 4: What is that?

1185
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 6: One called Scandals's body and then just scandal his body too?

1186
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay there were two of them.

1187
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, why not? That's a continuity.

1188
00:57:52,719 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it continues the story really like a random part two.

1189
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 2: You know, talking about like the crossover East and West.

1190
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,239
So Ton McKay also did a Deep Throat spin off

1191
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:34,079
which looks amazing and sounds amazing, I.

1192
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,039
Speaker 6: Mean should be right, but like it only survives right

1193
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:39,280
now online through the German print, but like there is

1194
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,639
an English dub out there. I've never seen it. It's okay.

1195
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,400
That film is like what you probably would want from

1196
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,400
the bite, like seeing like a pink film. Director. Also

1197
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,480
deep throwing Tokyo is for toy, so it's him going mainstream.

1198
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,280
But it's wild on Hinge. I mean she gets her

1199
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,559
glitterous like surgically planted in her throat.

1200
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 5: So great because no.

1201
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 4: It's not it So she becomes Linda Lovelace, but not naturally,

1202
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:08,960
no interest surgically unnaturally.

1203
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:10,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, she has a gift.

1204
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 5: And there's when we talked when we talked about recently

1205
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,119
on one of our episodes, like I love the scene.

1206
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:19,360
It's very dramatic because it's at a dinner scene and

1207
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,360
she's eating a banana and it's like and it's slow,

1208
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:23,280
kind of like.

1209
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:24,599
Speaker 2: She's just awakening.

1210
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, her awakening. She's like slowly just like oh, like,

1211
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,119
it's just beautiful. It's cinema.

1212
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1213
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 6: It's also one of the I but I never watched it.

1214
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:37,679
Speaker 5: You should watch it because I think you'll just need

1215
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,760
to because you'll notice all like the kind of references

1216
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,639
of like you know, the other films like I'm Poor

1217
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,079
but it's just dreamy because I think Gentry, you've seen it, right, No,

1218
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:48,800
I haven't seen.

1219
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,039
Speaker 6: The transfer is really bad. Also, I guess like the

1220
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:54,000
dubbing on it makes it sound like a Jess Franco

1221
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:56,360
German film too, so maybe that makes it more fun.

1222
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,599
Speaker 2: Oh, one of those I just heard you guys talk

1223
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:01,280
about it, so I feel like i've seen it, Like

1224
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,199
the staircase scene apparently there's really.

1225
01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:07,639
Speaker 5: One of my favorite scenes. I think, yeah, but I want.

1226
01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: To see it.

1227
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 6: But it does use a secret filming thing technique though too,

1228
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:14,119
So I guess like if Mukai has like a theme

1229
01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:16,840
that repeats from the sixties throughout the end of his life,

1230
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,639
there's always secret recordings filming, he doesn't do it, maybe

1231
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:23,760
more an interesting darker way like Soto, like his protege,

1232
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,199
but like he has that throughout his filmography.

1233
01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, you could see like auto esque like that early

1234
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:34,760
kind of like it's not pervy, Yeah, not pervy, right.

1235
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 2: That's trying to remember. I watched Forbidden Techniques the Boxer film.

1236
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:43,760
I don't remember if there was any kind of voyeuristic

1237
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,960
stuff in that. You guys have seen that, but I think, yeah,

1238
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:51,119
because it's so boring.

1239
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,679
Speaker 5: It just kind of boring.

1240
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,039
Speaker 6: Well, it's a lot of very.

1241
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think these a couple of these early I

1242
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,840
mean the ones that I like, Forbidden Techniques and the Bite,

1243
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,119
they're kind of sarno ish in that they're black and white,

1244
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,679
like people just talking in bed, with like close ups

1245
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:13,559
of skin moving around. It's it's really nice to look

1246
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:16,239
at as a black and white film, like they look amazing,

1247
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:18,440
but I could see how some people would be bored

1248
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,519
by it, especially you roman neque freaks over there.

1249
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 6: Oh my god, we watch Criterion.

1250
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:30,079
Speaker 4: Exactly.

1251
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:36,119
Speaker 2: Okay, So Kanwa kuy has another film called Blue Film Woman,

1252
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:39,800
and Dakota is like, oh, this is a classy movie.

1253
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:43,320
And I'm like, anyone that watches this other than Dakota

1254
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:47,360
would not call this a classy movie. You know what

1255
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:52,760
I'm talking Like it has a like mentally handicapped guy

1256
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:57,280
like sticking snakes up women's somethings, and this is like.

1257
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 4: Oh Criterion.

1258
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again like that one does have like done

1259
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:05,760
in a classy way?

1260
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:06,199
Speaker 8: Is it?

1261
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 5: Yes, it's very because it looks like, oh wow, it

1262
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,280
looks like it looks.

1263
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: Like a Roman pornal like it's very level like wide screen.

1264
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:18,199
It looks gorgeous.

1265
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 5: Yeah wow, Okay, it's just perverse in a great way.

1266
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,719
Because that's why Dakota would say it's classy.

1267
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:26,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, is it like blind beast classy?

1268
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,079
Speaker 5: Like because that's what I was. I love.

1269
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:33,039
Speaker 4: But I feel like Blind Beasts is like starter Pink

1270
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:36,960
film sort of maybe, and that's kind of where I'm at.

1271
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,159
I'm at starter level Pink, and I have all of

1272
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:42,199
your lists saved and then I have all of your

1273
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,280
episodes downloaded to finally dive in to watch stuff, and

1274
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:49,000
I'm just like, when do I start? It just seems

1275
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:51,480
so overwhelming because it just covers so much and there's

1276
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:53,800
so much of it. But I'm so glad that you

1277
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,760
guys are like kind of directing people to the right

1278
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:57,599
ones to start with.

1279
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:05,159
Speaker 5: It is important. Why why are you Why are you reading?

1280
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:08,920
Why are you reading our guests? I mean, I like

1281
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,000
for for for sure, like to co, and I like

1282
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:13,280
with some of our friends who are like not really

1283
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,719
like don't understand Pink as much, but we try to

1284
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:18,199
tell them like, Okay, start with these and then you'll

1285
01:03:18,199 --> 01:03:21,400
build yourself up to like a more like crazy film.

1286
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 6: I guess I'll flip it at you too. Do you

1287
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,719
feel like with the releases that get cultivated I guess

1288
01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:30,159
by different bleery labels, is that necessarily like this exploitation

1289
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,559
you'd want to see at that level too? Or talked

1290
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:35,880
about like, would you want kind of more weirder or

1291
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,480
different picks than what you're getting.

1292
01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:40,119
Speaker 2: You're talking about the American stuff. Yeah, that's a good question.

1293
01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 4: I feel well, I feel like we'll sexploitate with the

1294
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,679
sex with the software exploitation. No, we're not getting well,

1295
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:49,159
we're not getting nearly enough of it anyway, which is

1296
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:51,559
why I think it's so interesting that Pink film, I mean,

1297
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:54,559
the Third Window films, those those they've been putting those

1298
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:57,199
out for a while, so now it's like everyone else

1299
01:03:57,239 --> 01:03:59,440
is waking up to them. So now eighty eight films

1300
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,880
and now you know there are other labels that are

1301
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,119
putting them out. So I feel like that's the renaissance

1302
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:07,400
that's happening, is the pink film renaissance is happening now

1303
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:08,920
on Blu ray because a lot of them haven't been

1304
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,159
on Blue ray, right, So, and I feel like there

1305
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,119
is sort of like tying into Dakota. You're saying like classy,

1306
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,199
and I think there is an element of like, well,

1307
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:21,239
this is international sexploitation, so there is an element of

1308
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:23,880
class to it. Whereas if you're talking about something like

1309
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,039
a Bob Kressey, like a Love Camp seven, you can't

1310
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:32,199
exactly say this is classy sexquoitation. Metzger you probably could.

1311
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,119
Sarno you could, but even those are tough. So I'm

1312
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:38,119
really glad these are getting like a renaissance though, because

1313
01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:39,639
it has been a while, Like there's so much of

1314
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:43,079
them that had never been released, so it's and that's why,

1315
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:47,000
and you keep finding them with these random these these

1316
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:50,280
the into the crevices of the subgenre that magically have

1317
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,880
subtitles that are available that are like autogenerating or whatever,

1318
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:56,800
so you can actually tick more off of the of

1319
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,320
the master list of the genre.

1320
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you guys watch You guys have watched

1321
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:06,159
quite a few with the live subtitles through the Google translation.

1322
01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:07,119
Speaker 6: One or so gragic.

1323
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, it gives you enough what you need.

1324
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And like you guys have said, like sometimes

1325
01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:18,360
the plots are visual more than dialogue driven.

1326
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, which I think probably ties into that

1327
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,320
classiness again, because it's not about a script or having

1328
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,199
actors that are able to say dialogue and having been meaningful.

1329
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,639
If the language of the of the film or the

1330
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:33,639
language of that genre is more visual, then I think

1331
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,920
that it's more impact. I mean, subs help but if

1332
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,960
it's still impactful without the subs. I think that I

1333
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:41,480
don't know, I think that says a lot about a

1334
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:44,719
genre if you're able to still find it accessible through

1335
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,440
how it looks and how it makes you feel through

1336
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:48,000
the visuals.

1337
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll say, Gentry, is there any films that you

1338
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:53,920
think that, like from the labels have been not really

1339
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,119
putting out because I have my like I feel love

1340
01:05:57,239 --> 01:06:00,000
like for example, like eighty eight films doing the class

1341
01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:02,920
se your Nakatsu stuff, where I was like, where's the

1342
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,599
other like later seventies or early eighties, late eighties stuff.

1343
01:06:07,639 --> 01:06:09,000
You know, what do you think?

1344
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:13,079
Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, I mean we've talked about Harry Novak's catalog

1345
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:16,039
quite a bit on this show, and there's you know,

1346
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:19,440
there's so much there that's not being touched for maybe

1347
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:23,639
reasons that are beyond you know, there might be personal

1348
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:27,039
reasons with the rights owners. But again it's like, yeah,

1349
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:30,920
for me, I like those hi exploitation sexploitation movies. Some

1350
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,000
people absolutely hate them, so that also might be like

1351
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:37,480
a barrier to putting them out. Like I don't know

1352
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:41,079
the people behind the scenes, if they're oh, I'm looking

1353
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:43,760
at blue gray forms. Everybody seems to hate these Novak

1354
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,239
Southern sexy movies, so we're not going to put those out.

1355
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,480
I don't know if that's what's happening, but yeah, there's

1356
01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:52,239
definitely stuff we want out there that's not being put out.

1357
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:55,519
Casey could go on a tirade about that for another hour,

1358
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:56,280
if you want.

1359
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 5: I have a multiple episodes. I feel like, no, I feel.

1360
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:01,239
Speaker 4: A really nice right now.

1361
01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 6: Oh my god, so hard right now?

1362
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,199
Speaker 4: People know, people know what I want to see. I've

1363
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,000
said I want the many Condi's I want the Apostles.

1364
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,599
Now that I know that, there's prints of like Daisy

1365
01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:18,480
Chain and the Joe Sarno scarf with miss thigh of Satin,

1366
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,599
and wasn't there one? I mean there's a print of

1367
01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:24,400
the Love Robots tying back into pink, Like there's a

1368
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,400
print of Low Robots and a private collection, Like why

1369
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:34,119
has that not been exactly exactly it's the same the

1370
01:07:34,159 --> 01:07:36,239
same collector. Actually I mok know who it is, but

1371
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,039
apparently he's very easy to work with and he has

1372
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:39,719
a lot of other films that he's shown at that

1373
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,480
same drive in where he has the only print that's available.

1374
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:45,320
So it's like, I don't know why he's not being

1375
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,239
tapped as a resource even by maybe like gold Ninja,

1376
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,400
like Will Sloan might be a good person to contact

1377
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,519
him for for that if it's if it's like a

1378
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:54,280
smaller scale project.

1379
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,159
Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't know. I feel like I also

1380
01:07:57,239 --> 01:07:57,760
feel like.

1381
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,719
Speaker 4: We're getting so much stuff that it's like it feels

1382
01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:04,320
ghost to kind of be like, well what about this,

1383
01:08:04,519 --> 01:08:06,519
And it's like, you know, it spits in the face

1384
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:09,880
of what everyone is doing. And it's not that, it's

1385
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,920
just like I feel like there's the market is so

1386
01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:14,199
big that there's room for a little bit of everything,

1387
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:17,359
and I feel like we're just getting an onslaught of

1388
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,680
certain stuff where there's so much of it that the

1389
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,560
other stuff is getting ignored. Yeah, you know, And so

1390
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,720
that's why I'm glad that like there's this pink film

1391
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,960
renaissance where it's like, oh, yeah, we haven't really been

1392
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,199
tackling this on blue ray, have we. It's like, no,

1393
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:33,880
you haven't, so now let's let's go. Like it's it's

1394
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,399
like playing catch up with this this genre sort of.

1395
01:08:37,159 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 5: I mean, yes, it's like to code and I we

1396
01:08:39,079 --> 01:08:41,760
like we have our own list of like what should

1397
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,439
be really released too. But at the same time. I

1398
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,399
agree that, you know, as long as it's like getting

1399
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,079
talked about too, because then there's other ones that may

1400
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:53,199
get discovered later, because there's there's a lot of like

1401
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,960
pink films out there that this we cannot find, right.

1402
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I feel like

1403
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:02,239
American sex splitation fans are maybe in a better position

1404
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:04,840
in terms of we know some of this stuff that's

1405
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,920
out there, like the prints are there for you guys,

1406
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,199
and the Japanese stuff, it's like, especially the sixties era,

1407
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,399
like it's nothing exists, it's not coming out.

1408
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1409
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,079
Speaker 6: I mean also kind of confuses me too, because like

1410
01:09:17,119 --> 01:09:19,800
sometimes when you're looking back at like the Weisers when

1411
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,760
they wrote about it, some of the films they referenced

1412
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,600
from the sixties, I don't know how they watched.

1413
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:27,560
Speaker 4: It, That's true. I thought that too. They made a

1414
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,119
book and I'm just like, what is this based on?

1415
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:31,640
You didn't there's no way you could have seen this.

1416
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like there's not even like a the Japanese side

1417
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,920
has talked about like oh, this reel exists at some

1418
01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:39,319
point or it's been archived in a sense too, So

1419
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:41,880
I'm like, are you kind of making up off the poster.

1420
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:44,359
I don't know. It's like it kind of like frustrates

1421
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:46,439
me a little bit too with it. Usually with like

1422
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,880
any kind of like okay, if it's watchable, it's like, okay,

1423
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,479
it's laser disc vhs streaming on a porn site. Someone

1424
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,840
had the reel at an old film festival from like

1425
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,520
twenty years ago, like you can find that. Yeah, So

1426
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,279
it's like it kind of confuses me when it's like, oh,

1427
01:09:59,319 --> 01:10:03,119
people say they watched something. Another one that frustrates me.

1428
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,840
Put in the show notes like Henty the Lost Film,

1429
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:08,319
it's not even pro comments on letterbox.

1430
01:10:09,319 --> 01:10:13,399
Speaker 4: Oh. I almost commented today and said, all of y'all

1431
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,199
commenting on this can suck my dick because I know

1432
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:17,199
none of you have seen this.

1433
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this.

1434
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 4: Same Actually it's similar. There's a there's a listing for

1435
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,279
you the Lost nineteen sixty eight movie, and people will

1436
01:10:23,279 --> 01:10:26,760
review the TV show you on there, and this movie

1437
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,119
has lost to you motherfuckers, Like why are you?

1438
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 5: Why are you doing this?

1439
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,319
Speaker 4: Because it's it drives me nuts. Yeah, And well, for

1440
01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:37,000
a long time I thought Henty was around based on that,

1441
01:10:37,279 --> 01:10:38,760
and then I read the reviews. I was like, oh,

1442
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,800
these these little dirtbags getting my hopes up.

1443
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,239
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny because I think not too long ago,

1444
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:48,920
I was like, because I you know, you probably you

1445
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,760
guys know I watched I try to watch a lot

1446
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,159
of like photo movies or photography movies because that's my background.

1447
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:59,720
There was supposedly somebody watched all the films that were

1448
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:05,359
posedly archived of the photographer what's his name. There was

1449
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,079
the photographer the father of like a modern cinema, Moybridge,

1450
01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:15,039
Edward Moytbridge, right, supposed he made all his like documents

1451
01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:18,119
of like the like the moving thing, the moving images

1452
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,800
that he they're all shorts. And this person went on

1453
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,600
letterbox and said that he watched them all, and I'm like,

1454
01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:28,439
not everything has been archived. It's archived, but not for streaming, right.

1455
01:11:29,079 --> 01:11:31,159
And then apparently like it got into a debate with

1456
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:35,199
other people, so it got all taken down on reviews,

1457
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,920
his reviews, his, and then the listings of the film

1458
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,119
because I was like, because there was some you can

1459
01:11:41,159 --> 01:11:43,199
find on YouTube, right, and I was like, oh cool,

1460
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,319
I'll like rate and say I watched it, right, it's

1461
01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:48,319
like twenty seconds or whatever, and then you can go

1462
01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:50,399
on too, like National archives and you can find like

1463
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,520
some of that stuff. But somebody, because of like the

1464
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,640
debate and the person saying that he watched it all,

1465
01:11:56,359 --> 01:11:58,880
it got all taken down on letterbox, which is kind

1466
01:11:58,880 --> 01:11:59,399
of fascinating.

1467
01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:02,359
Speaker 6: He also gets wearied with like shorts or like early

1468
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,279
experienceal stuff to like the mystory. Well, consider what a

1469
01:12:05,319 --> 01:12:08,840
film is. I mean, I guess like even expectation TMDb

1470
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,119
is getting more getting more strict with posters.

1471
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 2: We're just talking about that this morning. Yeah, yeah, not

1472
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,359
even just the posters, but yeah, I don't know if

1473
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:21,000
somebody's flipping a switch, but like sisters in Leather, uh

1474
01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:21,720
just got.

1475
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,159
Speaker 4: Flipped as gentry.

1476
01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 6: To fix it, yeah, you have to report it and

1477
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,640
then report it again and again, and it's it's it's awful.

1478
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,560
Like some of the pink films like I follow, it's

1479
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,159
like it takes like a year to get a mod

1480
01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:33,680
to fix it, damn.

1481
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,239
Speaker 5: Or there was a time when like Dakota was going

1482
01:12:37,239 --> 01:12:39,239
in and like cleaning up like some of the titles

1483
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:41,079
to make it more so we know, like for example,

1484
01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:44,079
like Apartment Wife for any of the other pink films.

1485
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,319
Then somebody went back and like said, no, we have

1486
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,159
you have to put it back to like the weird.

1487
01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 6: They use the romaji, so they like phonetically spell out

1488
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,760
Japanese and English, so they change all the titles you

1489
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,359
don't want to made up English translation, which also makes sense,

1490
01:12:58,399 --> 01:13:00,279
but it makes things harder to search for too.

1491
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I imagine that's a recurring problem with well,

1492
01:13:04,279 --> 01:13:06,960
I say a problem, but it's just a recurring It

1493
01:13:07,039 --> 01:13:09,560
is a pressure that you were yeah, well yeah, where

1494
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,399
it's just like because you're dealing with translations, and there's

1495
01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:15,960
literal translations, and then there's like, well this flows better

1496
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,840
in English, so but then it's like, well, what do

1497
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,199
you use and if they don't want to use both

1498
01:13:20,279 --> 01:13:21,479
and that stuff for define.

1499
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:23,359
Speaker 6: Moment, just flag it an adult called porn apparently.

1500
01:13:25,079 --> 01:13:26,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just well, and all.

1501
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 4: Of these people will still call softcore stuff porn, and

1502
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,479
I'm like, no, not by today's definition, No it is not.

1503
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:32,199
Speaker 5: It is not.

1504
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 4: Basically porn equals hardcore in my mind, in a lot

1505
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,159
of other people's minds, if it's soft then it's like

1506
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,600
r n C seventeen, Yeah it's not, it's not hardcore.

1507
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 5: Well so I noticed that too. I mean, Casey, you

1508
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,880
could also say something about this like when I see like,

1509
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,960
because I watch a lot of like gay films, right,

1510
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,000
gay cinema, like all that stuff on letterbox whatever. Some

1511
01:13:54,039 --> 01:13:56,760
stuff is not on letterbox that and you can watch

1512
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,560
it easily. And then there's stuff that it is on

1513
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,319
letterbox but you can't find it it and then somehow

1514
01:14:01,359 --> 01:14:04,279
somebody said that they watched it, and I'm like, who where, how?

1515
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:07,720
But at the same time, they they don't flag a

1516
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,000
lot of the gay like the gay porn like gave

1517
01:14:10,079 --> 01:14:12,680
stuff that you could see on letterbox like compared to

1518
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,039
like pink film that gets flagged.

1519
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 6: I think it's because people aren't like aware enough and vindictive.

1520
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,680
I think with like the sex exploitation, it's like people

1521
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,279
are kind of searching out nudity or like keywords and

1522
01:14:22,319 --> 01:14:25,000
they're flagging it because like being little children.

1523
01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, no, I've said it on here. Multiple we're

1524
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:33,319
in a more wildly conservative film environment than I ever

1525
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:37,079
thought possible. In twenty twenty five. We're like sex is bad.

1526
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:39,119
If you did if you did a sex movie with

1527
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:43,840
no with no intimacy coordinator, then it's bad. It's like

1528
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,680
if if there's a woman doing somebody not consensual, it

1529
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,680
means that the actress. It was not consensual, and it's

1530
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,680
just like there's nuance here, there's history here, there's you know,

1531
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:56,720
it's you know, it's it's a big broad spectrum of

1532
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,640
sex cinema. But this idea that sex in nudity bad

1533
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,439
is so yeah, it's it's very eighties. It's worse than

1534
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,600
the eighties because at least in the eighties, yeah, you know,

1535
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,920
celebrities like Ginger Len and Tracy Lords and all these

1536
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,359
other people like now, which is like, well, yeah, Like.

1537
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 5: I always like to make fun of the horror fans too,

1538
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,760
like the horror bros, like they cannot handle sex in

1539
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:21,800
like a horror no, not at all, And they get

1540
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,079
very like, oh oh, like they don't mind seeing like breast, right,

1541
01:15:25,079 --> 01:15:28,119
they don't mind seeing that, but like in like Sexpectation

1542
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:31,119
Pink film, like breasts are out and it's like just normal.

1543
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:36,800
But they're like oh no, no, I know, or oh.

1544
01:15:36,079 --> 01:15:40,359
Speaker 4: Awkward, and I'm just like, guys, it's it's sex.

1545
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 5: It's fine.

1546
01:15:41,039 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 4: If you haven't had sex, that's fine, act like you've

1547
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,800
been there, just like come on, like like what is this?

1548
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,279
Come on? It's it's very crazy to be it really

1549
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:54,159
really is. It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I don't get it.

1550
01:15:54,319 --> 01:15:56,720
I really don't get it.

1551
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,560
Speaker 3: Is there a show tonight, Yes, there is a very show.

1552
01:16:01,279 --> 01:16:02,079
Speaker 6: But don't worry.

1553
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,159
Speaker 7: You can be just an observer this.

1554
01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 5: Time entry because it makes you kind of say with that.

1555
01:16:10,079 --> 01:16:12,039
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know. I was thinking about your

1556
01:16:12,039 --> 01:16:17,239
guys' screenings and just and I'm thinking, I know, we're

1557
01:16:17,279 --> 01:16:20,000
getting kind of wildly off topic. But the idea of

1558
01:16:20,399 --> 01:16:25,319
all these repertory screenings recently of like hardcore movies, and

1559
01:16:25,359 --> 01:16:27,640
part of me is like, I love this idea of it.

1560
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,560
But at the same time, part of me is also like,

1561
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:34,600
this isn't how they were originally presented. You know. You know,

1562
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:39,479
these movies were presented for an audience to engage with

1563
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:43,800
you know what I'm saying the material, yes, but now

1564
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:48,159
we're presenting them as like sit in your seat, stare forward,

1565
01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:52,560
and like appreciate this movie as you know the history

1566
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,680
of it. It's like, is that how we should be

1567
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,119
watching these movies? I don't know, it depends.

1568
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 6: I mean it's probably you're right though, like having more

1569
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,279
interact I mean pink film too. It's like, I mean,

1570
01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:04,640
probably not so much like the sixties, but especially like

1571
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,600
as the genre goes ahead in eighties nineties, it gets

1572
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,279
purby or theater. The theaters get worse. It's like people

1573
01:17:10,279 --> 01:17:13,239
are jerking off in the theater or they're cruising, like

1574
01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:17,439
getting a sex worker. It's like these aren't wholesome family fun.

1575
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I would say, like the screening we did

1576
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,159
like Men and Woman.

1577
01:17:22,399 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think that was more of a comedy.

1578
01:17:25,079 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 5: A comedy works, Yes, that works, Yeah, it works well.

1579
01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 6: I mean it's weird. LA is kind of hostile to

1580
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:32,680
I mean, other than Whammy, who has shown hardcore. Like overall,

1581
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,960
it's very hostile to showing like anything with sex in

1582
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,600
it too. Compared to New York and Chicago. I don't

1583
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,119
know why that is. Yeah, they just would rather kind

1584
01:17:40,119 --> 01:17:42,399
of ignore and pretend it doesn't exist too.

1585
01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:47,279
Speaker 4: New York wasn't showing hardcore. New York not, you know,

1586
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,159
I don't know, it feels egotistical. I was want to

1587
01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:51,119
bring this up, but New York wasn't showing hardcore until

1588
01:17:51,159 --> 01:17:53,439
I did it, like I did that series of anthology

1589
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,640
and we got covered in major publications. We had like

1590
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,000
a lot of people come out and it really transformed

1591
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:03,039
the way that adult cinema is shown in theaters because

1592
01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:05,079
it was about like, oh, these were actual films. A

1593
01:18:05,119 --> 01:18:09,760
lot of these films had like premieres with photographers and press,

1594
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:15,119
so like they were certain films were treated like actual films.

1595
01:18:15,159 --> 01:18:17,880
Not everyone was, but the ones that were are the

1596
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,399
ones that are the ones that I would, you know,

1597
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,039
try to show in a theater and be respectful and everything.

1598
01:18:24,399 --> 01:18:28,560
But yeah, it's it's interesting. I will also but it

1599
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,119
makes me think that, like, I think you would post

1600
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:33,039
it in the show notes about like how the like

1601
01:18:33,079 --> 01:18:36,199
the rediscovery of this film in particular, and then Slave

1602
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:39,159
Widow and they I think they showed in two thousand

1603
01:18:39,159 --> 01:18:40,359
and eight at that one theater, but I feel like

1604
01:18:40,359 --> 01:18:42,199
they showed in other theaters too because it was like

1605
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:44,520
a big deal because and there was also a situation

1606
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,520
where it's so crazy that something is almost far back

1607
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,399
as two thousand and eight, people were like, yes, let's

1608
01:18:50,399 --> 01:18:53,399
show these sex movies and cinema because their cinema. I

1609
01:18:54,039 --> 01:18:56,279
don't know if I'd see that happening now, which is

1610
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,319
crazy because that was not even twenty years ago.

1611
01:19:00,039 --> 01:19:02,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've I've reached out to my repertory

1612
01:19:02,119 --> 01:19:05,760
cinema up here in the Twin cities and they are

1613
01:19:06,199 --> 01:19:10,640
hesitant to do any sexploitation stuff because yeah, it just

1614
01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:14,079
and I understand that, but I think that you can

1615
01:19:14,319 --> 01:19:16,520
pick and choose titles kind of like you guys did

1616
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:20,399
with Shinjuku. I think that, yeah, the comedy aspect and

1617
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:25,640
it's not like the sex scenes are not explicit for one, right,

1618
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:30,000
And with a lot of sexploitation films, there are movies

1619
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,880
that have very extended, long sex sequences, which obviously, like

1620
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,119
you watch that in the theater with people who aren't prepared, Yeah,

1621
01:19:36,119 --> 01:19:40,079
they're going to be like giggling and acting ridiculous.

1622
01:19:39,399 --> 01:19:41,119
Speaker 4: And it's gonna be it is gonna be awkward because

1623
01:19:41,119 --> 01:19:43,239
you're sitting especially if it's sold out screening, you're gonna

1624
01:19:43,239 --> 01:19:45,520
have people sitting next to each other during that and

1625
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:50,039
that's awkward. That's so that's why my first screening in

1626
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:51,880
that series, it was like we've ripped the band aid off,

1627
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,199
where like we had a trailer reel that was like

1628
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,720
twenty minutes and it was like, Okay, here's all the

1629
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,359
hardcore footage in a trailer form, So like the band

1630
01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:01,680
aid of, it's like you're going to see a lot

1631
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,720
of this, But then the movies that we picked were

1632
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,760
very plot driven and very production value driven and things

1633
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,199
like that. So I think, yeah, I think all of

1634
01:20:10,279 --> 01:20:12,039
us here know that, Like, there are films that you

1635
01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:14,960
would definitely, you could definitely utilize to introduce people to

1636
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,520
the genre as a whole. And then there are ones

1637
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,319
that you know that only when you're an established fan

1638
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,279
that you would then be able to watch and appreciate

1639
01:20:24,319 --> 01:20:27,319
because you need like background or understanding what the genre is.

1640
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,600
Like the no backs, for example, I would never recommend

1641
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:34,119
those to a novice in sexploitation because you need to know,

1642
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,319
I think, what sexploitation is and where it's bad, you know,

1643
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,640
and where it's been and why they weren't hardcore at

1644
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,760
that time, and whether we're you know, still soft in

1645
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,319
the early seventies, things like that. So yeah, I think

1646
01:20:46,359 --> 01:20:52,319
every genre in sexploitation, every subgenre, has those introductory titles.

1647
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,359
And that's why I really need to be paying attention

1648
01:20:55,399 --> 01:20:58,399
to your introductory titles, because I'm like, Okay, where do

1649
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:02,680
I start. Yeah, Like, I'm also a little pervier than

1650
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,600
the usual novice because because I come from a sexboy

1651
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,439
Asian background, so I'm like I could probably tolerate something

1652
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:09,840
like a groper train.

1653
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,359
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's family.

1654
01:21:12,399 --> 01:21:16,279
Speaker 4: I could tolerate those because I'm an established ruffies person,

1655
01:21:16,399 --> 01:21:17,199
so like you know.

1656
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, because like I would say, like the groper chains

1657
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,359
are more just like they're fun, they're easy, they're kind

1658
01:21:22,359 --> 01:21:25,479
of goofy. They're not like the more bondage extreme stuff

1659
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,920
that we tend to like to as well. But you

1660
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,720
know there's some nicer stuff of like the Pink film too,

1661
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:32,960
that like could get somebody to be like, Okay, I

1662
01:21:33,039 --> 01:21:34,319
understand it, I get it.

1663
01:21:35,039 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 6: I mean speaking of this distributor though, to that two

1664
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:40,720
thousand and eight screening, so Cinema Epic is Gregory Patanaka.

1665
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,600
So I mean he didn't it responon back, but it's

1666
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,920
crazy like in nineteen ninety eight he showed a woman

1667
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,000
called Soda Abbe on a double bill with wife to

1668
01:21:50,039 --> 01:21:52,760
be sacrificed, which is probably one of the more like

1669
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:54,279
on Hinge side of Nakatza.

1670
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 5: Can you imagine?

1671
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, that's really Where was that screen?

1672
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,359
Speaker 6: It was Cinemonica Santa Monica here at to Lemley. Also

1673
01:22:02,399 --> 01:22:03,960
I think up in Portland or Seattle.

1674
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:09,399
Speaker 4: Yes, interesting Knights, the Boogie Knights being out made inspired

1675
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,439
people wanting to see any kind of sex cinema, and

1676
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,159
they were like, well, let's start with this. But having

1677
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:17,560
seen Wife to Be Sacrificed, I haven't seen the first

1678
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,079
one yet, but having seen that one at least, I'm just.

1679
01:22:20,039 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 5: Like, Okay, wait, Gentry, you've seen Wife to be Sacrificed, right.

1680
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 2: No, I don't haven't seen it yet. Seen some other

1681
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,279
Kunuma stuff, but not that one.

1682
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 6: It's probably one of like the more extreme ones. It's

1683
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:39,479
more nightmarish too. It's not a it's not an easy

1684
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,279
pick for someone's first time.

1685
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 4: No talk about ripping the band aid off.

1686
01:22:45,039 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's like it's I mean, I can only imagine

1687
01:22:49,039 --> 01:22:51,680
to see like Miss Tawny on the screen, I would cry,

1688
01:22:52,079 --> 01:22:54,600
but I would not I would not want to see

1689
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,119
that one in the theater because it's just like, oh

1690
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:58,359
night mere Field.

1691
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 2: You know, wow, you guys are saying at them.

1692
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,239
Speaker 5: I mean, it's no.

1693
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 4: I actually I don't think i've rated it in letterboxes. I

1694
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,079
need to revisit it, but I remember really liking it.

1695
01:23:07,079 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 6: It's really good.

1696
01:23:08,119 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 5: It's amazing. Yeah, but again, like at first time, it

1697
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:12,880
would be like, oh, but I think if you're if

1698
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,000
you understand like where it was coming from and what

1699
01:23:15,039 --> 01:23:19,039
they're trying to do. It's it's it's cinema. It's cinema. Yeah,

1700
01:23:19,159 --> 01:23:21,960
it's I mean it's Kanuma. How can you not say

1701
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,239
it's cinema because like anything he did, cinema is like perfection.

1702
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,520
Speaker 4: That is something that I like in both of your reviews

1703
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,399
and both of your reviews on Letterbox where it's like

1704
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,000
this is cinema, like this is life, this is everything,

1705
01:23:32,039 --> 01:23:33,960
and it's like it's so enthusiastic, and I'm like, I

1706
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,640
know this movie is gonna rock my world when I

1707
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,319
finally see it, because I know. And then when you

1708
01:23:38,319 --> 01:23:40,680
don't like something, I know when you really don't like something,

1709
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,479
And I love that it's very clear. Especially that's why

1710
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:45,880
I love I love your review so much.

1711
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 5: You'll know that if I didn't like something or I

1712
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:49,800
liked it. Because Dakota is to be a little bit

1713
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:54,279
more air, I think, wow, that's well.

1714
01:23:54,359 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: Speaking of Dakota and I I think are the biggest

1715
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,600
the bite fans here. Yeah, yeah, you give it three

1716
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,560
and a half and I think I don't know what

1717
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:05,159
I would rate it.

1718
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 4: This time, the two seas or two and a half.

1719
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I'd give it a three and a heart.

1720
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:12,560
Speaker 6: I give it. I'd be crazy why not.

1721
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 5: I would say, I think people still should watch this

1722
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,439
because if they want to see like the genre and

1723
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,000
see what was going what was happening in the sixties,

1724
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:26,920
because there's other great like sixties like Pink film as well,

1725
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,399
that are just great and it's just like it's like you.

1726
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,439
I would put this like in a box set. That's

1727
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:33,199
the way I wouldn't release itself.

1728
01:24:33,359 --> 01:24:35,119
Speaker 6: But it also might be a heart cell too, because

1729
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:38,239
I know, like the sixties Pink that's I mean came

1730
01:24:38,279 --> 01:24:41,640
out too. I don't think it's really sold the greatest.

1731
01:24:41,319 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 2: Well, what has been out recently of sixty will.

1732
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 6: Be Gushy and Prayer, which I think it's seventy one,

1733
01:24:47,159 --> 01:24:49,920
which is also really for Walka Matsu and then also

1734
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,840
Inflatable sext all the Wastelands. Yeah, I think I still

1735
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,880
have a line of sixties. Is walk A Matsu like

1736
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,520
a Kogi Wakamatza directed film. But it's like I think

1737
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,319
Jasper has hinted that maybe it's a family right situation

1738
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:02,239
holding those back.

1739
01:25:02,399 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 2: Well inflatable sex Doll, I mean that's I was going

1740
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,479
to look up to see like how many people have

1741
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,119
seen that, But that's a pretty big.

1742
01:25:09,159 --> 01:25:11,239
Speaker 6: It was already well watched before they put it out.

1743
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, like it's been well watched,

1744
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,319
like a lot of people have seen that.

1745
01:25:16,319 --> 01:25:18,079
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know, because he did did he do

1746
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:20,520
Go Go? Second time? Version? Is it the same director?

1747
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 6: Go Go?

1748
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:25,359
Speaker 4: Is okay? This acument your image? And so I think

1749
01:25:25,399 --> 01:25:27,359
that probably directed a lot of people to see it

1750
01:25:27,399 --> 01:25:29,840
after that DVD came out, probably.

1751
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,359
Speaker 6: Which, like Wakamatza, should have been a Criterion eclip set,

1752
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:36,520
Like I want more clip sets like that.

1753
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, we Well we're trying to convince distri Picks slash

1754
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,960
Melicin need to do eclipse set types of just films

1755
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,439
with their trailers, maybe an essay just to get them

1756
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,720
out there. I don't need a ton of extras, just

1757
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,600
get them out there, nice looking, nice. I would love that. Actually,

1758
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,319
a nice elis eclipse kind of set would be good

1759
01:25:56,399 --> 01:25:59,359
for like all of these that aren't the Novaks, you know,

1760
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,840
I think like Slave, Widow, Boneless, Adolescent, the Bite. You

1761
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,039
could put all of them in a little collection as

1762
01:26:05,079 --> 01:26:09,359
like American released pink films that are you know, under

1763
01:26:09,359 --> 01:26:10,439
a good title, not that.

1764
01:26:10,359 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm I'm a big fan of the bonus film,

1765
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,159
like put it you know, oh, pick your your your

1766
01:26:16,199 --> 01:26:18,520
main feature and then put this as put one of

1767
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,359
these as a bonus film, like they did with that

1768
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:25,319
third that third Windows set they Pink Film three and four.

1769
01:26:25,399 --> 01:26:28,760
Maybe it was they put Forbidden Techniques as the bonus

1770
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:33,000
film because it's the German dubs. So they were like, well, yeah,

1771
01:26:33,119 --> 01:26:34,960
well we have is this German brant? I mean it

1772
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:39,600
looks amazing, but it's German. So maybe the people who purchased.

1773
01:26:39,359 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 4: That's what they have to do with like Love Rebellion,

1774
01:26:41,039 --> 01:26:43,680
the Sarno movie, it's only available in German subtitles, so

1775
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,399
like put next for somewhere too.

1776
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,159
Speaker 5: We're not ideas, folks.

1777
01:26:47,239 --> 01:26:49,319
Speaker 6: We we all four of us have ideas.

1778
01:26:49,319 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 4: Were money well ideas.

1779
01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:58,039
Speaker 5: There's that film from like the Impulse titles, Like there's

1780
01:26:58,079 --> 01:27:00,319
one film that we we had. It was the it

1781
01:27:00,399 --> 01:27:01,960
was a clip show, right, it was like a clip

1782
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:06,000
all the all the films that are being released through Yeah,

1783
01:27:06,279 --> 01:27:08,560
and then on the DVD there's a bonus film that

1784
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:12,079
is something like Lesbian Stewardess or something. It's like thirty minutes.

1785
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 6: Oh okay, you're talking about the Nakatsi trailer collection. They

1786
01:27:15,119 --> 01:27:18,640
randomly do adult video short on it. But also I

1787
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,840
don't think they really build out what it actually what

1788
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,760
it was. No for that side, okay.

1789
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I remember that we wanted to get it

1790
01:27:26,039 --> 01:27:28,399
because we could say we watched that one film, but

1791
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:29,119
the clip.

1792
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 6: We wanted to watch Ryoko wat Navee Lesbian Stewardess.

1793
01:27:33,079 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, that was like, oh, we're fighting for that one.

1794
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,319
Speaker 2: No, so it was on there though, yeah, yeah, okay.

1795
01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:42,560
Speaker 6: But also Makaia would probably be a good candidate too,

1796
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,399
Like there's enough of this director's films that are available

1797
01:27:45,399 --> 01:27:49,680
from different eras. It's like if people pull that different threads. Obviously,

1798
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,680
like someone should be heading up Towa for their paint films,

1799
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,359
especially in the seventies and eighties. Like I know that

1800
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:59,039
Sato's Distorted Sense of Touch got restored in Japan and

1801
01:27:59,079 --> 01:28:02,520
has a DVD that's again obviously going to come out

1802
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,640
in the world, right, but they should peel back the

1803
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,920
layers of like what are pink films from toe?

1804
01:28:07,319 --> 01:28:07,520
Speaker 5: Right?

1805
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,520
Speaker 6: Like having this great content. Also, I think like Toay

1806
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,279
is not really fighting for these films and they might

1807
01:28:13,279 --> 01:28:14,279
be cheaper than the cots.

1808
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:18,079
Speaker 4: I don't know, like Toe is easier to work with

1809
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:21,479
than like Toho, Like they're they're vivistorically been easier to

1810
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:23,760
work with, So I think, yeah, that makes total sense.

1811
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,760
I don't know why people are going after those.

1812
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've we've chatted a little bit about trying to

1813
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,479
get model Micabre to do more toa stuff.

1814
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,319
Speaker 4: That's yeah, because they did it in the Cops stuff.

1815
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:35,439
So I feel like they could go back to Toe.

1816
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:36,239
Speaker 5: I don't know why not.

1817
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 2: That's like your guys' gateway. You could bank Pete toombs

1818
01:28:43,119 --> 01:28:46,439
and haunted Turkish bath house for where you are today?

1819
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:52,520
Speaker 4: Right, Actually, I just got to say, mon Micawber doesn't

1820
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:56,680
get enough love. I do love and they really it's

1821
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:00,680
it's it's Jared basically running that running that store and

1822
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,239
the social media all by himself. I love Jared, And yeah, no,

1823
01:29:04,399 --> 01:29:05,600
they always put out good stuff.

1824
01:29:25,039 --> 01:29:27,239
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think what other read to pull here,

1825
01:29:27,359 --> 01:29:30,479
as you say to Koda, what else.

1826
01:29:30,359 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 6: I even writing notes on?

1827
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,520
Speaker 2: Oh well, I wanted to ask you about this. Yeah,

1828
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,279
I wanted to ask about this whole Cinema Epic situation.

1829
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:41,199
So this was released through Cinema Epic. Are they still

1830
01:29:41,239 --> 01:29:44,560
in exist. Are they still doing anything? What's going on there?

1831
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:50,359
Speaker 6: Active also the yes, so they are posting they weirdly enough,

1832
01:29:50,359 --> 01:29:53,319
did like their version of an Emmanuel film too, like

1833
01:29:53,359 --> 01:29:56,560
a more recent like to B esque production from a

1834
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:57,560
few years ago.

1835
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,600
Speaker 2: To be asked, I don't know, would be original, Ee.

1836
01:30:02,079 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 6: What's happening there? But please hit me up. But again,

1837
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,079
I assume they would maybe have the real if it

1838
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:13,159
wasn't like Gregory's collection, but it might be the distributor,

1839
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:15,840
like the Japanese pink film distributor Cocoa Way, who'd still

1840
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,760
hold the rights to it. Also, they are licensing titles

1841
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,279
like they're still around, so it's like, okay, let's make.

1842
01:30:21,159 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 4: The jump to Blue Folks. Yeah, yeah, if you, let's

1843
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,399
let's try to get some work on that.

1844
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be good. I might have to reach out,

1845
01:30:28,119 --> 01:30:30,600
yeah to Gregory over there, see what's going on?

1846
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 6: But he also seems like he's been kind of burnt

1847
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,720
out by like him trying over the years to make

1848
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,720
these films happen, and maybe like the not buy back too,

1849
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,119
I don't he would probably be wary or like almost

1850
01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:44,760
like I don't know, hesitant to like this newfound interest,

1851
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:46,960
like is it gonna pan out right, It's true.

1852
01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:49,239
Speaker 4: Well, that pink line, there's a I will just say

1853
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,199
there's a lot. There's a lot of releases planned on

1854
01:30:52,199 --> 01:30:55,000
that pink line. So like it's it's it's here to

1855
01:30:55,000 --> 01:31:01,159
stay for the duration, which is good news, but yeah.

1856
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:03,600
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to there's you know, we're friendly now,

1857
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:07,760
but it could get ugly between our warring podcast.

1858
01:31:09,279 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 5: Please a real East versus West situation. No, no, it

1859
01:31:14,039 --> 01:31:14,520
was exciting.

1860
01:31:15,119 --> 01:31:16,640
Speaker 2: We start bumping our stuff.

1861
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,560
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Well it's already happened. I will say

1862
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:24,600
that it's already happened. But the actually there's another hardcore

1863
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,399
company that they bought that is that stuff is now

1864
01:31:27,399 --> 01:31:30,439
bumping the soft coorese stuff more so, you know, but

1865
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:33,039
it's fine. But there's my My thing is though, like

1866
01:31:33,279 --> 01:31:34,800
I don't know, I always think of pink film. I

1867
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,439
think of like sixties and seventies, but that's a completely

1868
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,560
overside of my part because I'm not thinking of eighties

1869
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:43,640
and nineties. So like the sauto stuff is all except

1870
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:47,399
for muscle, which is like a masterpiece. Everything else is

1871
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:50,560
like this. It feels late period, but maybe it's not.

1872
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,239
Maybe it's a golden age that I'm just not aware

1873
01:31:53,279 --> 01:31:55,800
of because I'm I think it's because of the Nakatsu

1874
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,039
of it all, where that is kind of the that's

1875
01:31:58,079 --> 01:32:00,560
been the forefront of pink film on DVD for a

1876
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,600
long time, and so everything else has been overlooked. So

1877
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,159
maybe the eighties was a period that I really should

1878
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:07,359
be paying attention to as well.

1879
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:10,079
Speaker 2: That's right, isn't isn't The Four Devils is all like

1880
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:13,039
those those Four Devils are all like eighties filmmakers, right,

1881
01:32:13,119 --> 01:32:14,159
da Quota, Yeah.

1882
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,039
Speaker 6: They come up in like mid late eighties into the

1883
01:32:16,079 --> 01:32:18,960
nineties too, so like once Roman Porno dies, pink film

1884
01:32:19,039 --> 01:32:22,279
is freed back to the independence. It's also like Soagi Amano,

1885
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,399
you know my favorite you know, it's like that's her

1886
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,079
huge era too, where she's doing like fifteen to twenty

1887
01:32:27,079 --> 01:32:29,840
films a year, right, So it's like it's a prolific

1888
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,920
period for Sado. It's like the most unhinged, the most wonderful,

1889
01:32:33,039 --> 01:32:36,079
the most mad of pink film, the most insane, whipping

1890
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:39,359
up bondage grower trains on the regular mixing with adult

1891
01:32:39,399 --> 01:32:42,560
video stars too. Like the best stuff of pink film

1892
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:46,720
is like that era. Yeah to me, wow for other

1893
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,000
people too, Like I know Jasper would have a preference

1894
01:32:49,039 --> 01:32:52,199
for like sixties and seventies too. Sure, I'm a little

1895
01:32:52,199 --> 01:32:53,359
bit more on Hinge as a person.

1896
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 2: Yes, that's where I'm at. Yeah, I think Cracy is too.

1897
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:01,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I am just because I feel like that's

1898
01:33:01,359 --> 01:33:05,239
what has been available. So I feel like if this,

1899
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:07,680
if that era is going to become more available, then

1900
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:09,680
it's like and it's going to look it's gonna be

1901
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,520
restored and it's going to be you know, have the

1902
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:18,399
director involved, directors involved, were we remember Yeah, Yeah, I'm

1903
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,800
like then I feel like, then that's that's exciting to

1904
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,319
me because I feel like the sixties and seventies stuff

1905
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:26,119
not to like poop poo it, but it's not.

1906
01:33:26,319 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 5: It's it's been around.

1907
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,319
Speaker 4: So this new stuff is just like, oh, this is

1908
01:33:30,319 --> 01:33:34,039
a whole new area that like I have no knowledge of.

1909
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:36,000
So that does make it very exciting to me.

1910
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:39,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Synaps was putting out tons of stuff for

1911
01:33:39,359 --> 01:33:40,960
a while, all that Nakasu stuff.

1912
01:33:41,079 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they paved the way. Yeah they did Impulse

1913
01:33:45,039 --> 01:33:46,079
Pictures and Synaps.

1914
01:33:46,079 --> 01:33:50,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm curious to see what happens with I

1915
01:33:51,079 --> 01:33:55,199
hope that Pink Line does do some classy seventies stuff.

1916
01:33:55,279 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 6: But that's just me, I mean, not the ones I

1917
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:01,319
got hit up for.

1918
01:34:02,319 --> 01:34:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1919
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 6: Really, well, we'll see I love that.

1920
01:34:09,039 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 5: Well, I for didn't somebody just put out.

1921
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,079
Speaker 4: Flower and Snake Restoration.

1922
01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:13,560
Speaker 2: It's only DVD, right.

1923
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,520
Speaker 6: Flower and Stakes on Blu Ray. But that was one

1924
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,520
of the most impulse to NAPS titles.

1925
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 5: Yoh yeah it was.

1926
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:20,600
Speaker 4: That's right, because they only did a few on Blu Ray.

1927
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it was set to do the whole

1928
01:34:23,119 --> 01:34:26,039
Flower and Snake set together. They could even do toys

1929
01:34:26,079 --> 01:34:30,640
continuations as well. I mean dream like wow, dream Era release, right,

1930
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:31,199
I don't know.

1931
01:34:31,399 --> 01:34:34,119
Speaker 5: It's like to put Toe in Nakatsa together. That would

1932
01:34:34,119 --> 01:34:36,520
be like again, I don't think they would agree with that.

1933
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:39,199
Speaker 6: I mean Sato is a similar situation now, Like I

1934
01:34:39,239 --> 01:34:41,560
don't know how they're gonna splice his Nakatsu titles but

1935
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:44,760
this other archive because like Nakatsu is not gonna want

1936
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:46,079
to be associated with Shintoho.

1937
01:34:46,319 --> 01:34:50,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's true. I keep forgetting about that. They're

1938
01:34:50,359 --> 01:34:52,760
a little more precious about it than American companies are

1939
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:54,720
because you can you can kind of do that here

1940
01:34:55,119 --> 01:34:58,960
with different American distributors. Yeah, I think branding is more

1941
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:02,159
important to those companies, especially they're still around. That's very true.

1942
01:35:02,239 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 6: Let's he for the best interesting.

1943
01:35:04,119 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 4: I know, fingers crossed, all digits crossed, well, but I'm

1944
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:09,960
excited about it. I mean, that's that's the big thing

1945
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:11,920
people were talking about with the slatest announcement was the

1946
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:14,680
volume two. Very excited.

1947
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, going back to kan makay I was going to

1948
01:35:17,239 --> 01:35:20,479
ask you, guys, you know what happened after the bites,

1949
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,359
you know what's next for him?

1950
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,199
Speaker 6: Going oh, okay, yeah, wow, I didn't even talk about him,

1951
01:35:25,399 --> 01:35:28,760
so okay. He came from educational films, he goes into

1952
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:32,279
pink film, right, this whole virginny market. Then he by

1953
01:35:32,319 --> 01:35:35,680
seventy one on the same time Roman Porno launches, Toy

1954
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,520
picks him up for pink film, but not even pinky violence,

1955
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:40,960
more of like their cheaper like racket of pink films

1956
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,640
that they distributed. And then it leads into Deep Throat

1957
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:44,279
in Tokyo.

1958
01:35:44,119 --> 01:35:46,239
Speaker 2: What are some examples of those from?

1959
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 6: None of them are available though, either That's the thing.

1960
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,760
It's like Toy doesn't I don't even know if Toy

1961
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:56,079
saves the reels for them either. It's such an unclear,

1962
01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:58,880
right situation, where like they're bread and butter of Pink Film.

1963
01:35:59,359 --> 01:36:02,000
I'll send you some for like an afterthing, but I

1964
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,159
mean I started like we like a list for it.

1965
01:36:04,279 --> 01:36:07,720
But yeah, it's like eventually Toy brings him in ken

1966
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,760
U kaid It's like kind of saves the original deep

1967
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,840
throughout the American one for Toy Distribution, where he does

1968
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:17,600
a weird Frankenstein edit of it devil miss Jones and

1969
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,159
original scenes for the like the whole pink film market.

1970
01:36:20,279 --> 01:36:22,319
So it's like all mid lost media like and like

1971
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:23,239
Toy's proud of this.

1972
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah that sounds insane.

1973
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 6: Wow, But then it leads in a deep throw in

1974
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:30,239
Tokyo where he does the more original film. Then it

1975
01:36:30,279 --> 01:36:33,479
also leads into like he's a NonStop producer for Pink Film.

1976
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:36,520
Under a different pseudonym, he does v Cinema, which is

1977
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,159
the big home video era that's now only getting talked

1978
01:36:39,159 --> 01:36:41,880
about their arrow, right yeah, and then.

1979
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 2: Leads directing through all this though he's directing and producing,

1980
01:36:45,079 --> 01:36:46,079
right Okay.

1981
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,520
Speaker 6: And then he ends his career between like mainstream dramas

1982
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:52,199
about like aging too before he dies. They are non sexual.

1983
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just crazy, like looking at his filmography, even

1984
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,560
on you know IMDb or letterbox, like so much of

1985
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,520
this just doesn't even have artwork yet. It's it's that

1986
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:04,680
obscure or.

1987
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 6: I tried edit it ad anymore. Sorry, well a lot

1988
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:08,880
of them are available.

1989
01:37:10,359 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know IMDBA is about images. They're that

1990
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:17,199
way for sex any any sexploitation or adult film title.

1991
01:37:17,239 --> 01:37:20,560
They don't want images up for those. No, literally.

1992
01:37:22,319 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 6: It Yeah, here's ahead and here's the title.

1993
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.

1994
01:37:28,359 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the bite was sixty six. He got started

1995
01:37:33,159 --> 01:37:37,680
in early. I mean sixty five was he had one.

1996
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,920
I see one listed for sixty two, but sixty five

1997
01:37:41,039 --> 01:37:44,359
looks like, yeah, that's his educational side, he really, I

1998
01:37:44,399 --> 01:37:47,840
mean he's just still like baby ken Mukai right very.

1999
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,079
Speaker 6: Early speaks to kind of his talent. I mean he

2000
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:52,880
obviously money well spent. I guess that's his big thing too.

2001
01:37:53,079 --> 01:37:55,880
It's like he says, like, okay, to fail as a film,

2002
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:59,560
it's to not like to lose money, right, And even

2003
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,800
though they're actors, like recounting him too, they said like

2004
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,239
he always had like a megaphone in one hand, and

2005
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:06,399
they always imagined he had like an avacus, like the

2006
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,560
scale from Greek mythology in the other like he was

2007
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,239
always counting the money too. He's such a money man

2008
01:38:11,319 --> 01:38:13,039
and producer. Maybe he was the the most like a

2009
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:16,479
tour driven, but he cultivated talent. He built up like

2010
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,720
the lighting, the crew of the cinematography. All though his

2011
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,359
money well spent, like it looked good regardless if it

2012
01:38:21,359 --> 01:38:22,079
wasn't artistic.

2013
01:38:22,359 --> 01:38:26,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly like he was successful, right, his career looks

2014
01:38:26,079 --> 01:38:29,199
like I mean, to be that prolific and like go

2015
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,119
I mean he was working till he died. It sounds like.

2016
01:38:32,279 --> 01:38:33,720
Speaker 6: I mean you can thank him for Sodo.

2017
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:37,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Sodo was his you know, protege.

2018
01:38:37,159 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 6: Also, you have Giro Takaita, who won an Oscar.

2019
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:43,520
Speaker 5: I know for what what was the departures Departures the

2020
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,880
foreign okay, oh.

2021
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:47,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, which I never saw.

2022
01:38:47,399 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 5: It's it's beautiful. It's actually really like it's not even

2023
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:53,439
like nowhere near like a pink. It's just it's a

2024
01:38:53,479 --> 01:39:00,119
really aging. It's sad and it maybe.

2025
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 4: I remember the poster. I just never saw it.

2026
01:39:01,159 --> 01:39:08,279
Speaker 5: That's interesting watch it. After this episode watched I watched Wow,

2027
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:12,600
I do pler departures at home when Dakota's not around.

2028
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,159
Speaker 6: I guess speaking this director though, it is surprising. I

2029
01:39:15,159 --> 01:39:17,560
guess like a tidbit. His wife is a pink film

2030
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,720
actress like tocaco a Cheetah, so she's also a mound singer.

2031
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:23,560
He frequently cast her. She appears in Blue film Woman

2032
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:26,800
Singing the Nightclub. It's weird that she's not in this film,

2033
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:28,720
Like that's kind of odd. But I don't have a

2034
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,199
reason for that. That's made this was just too weird.

2035
01:39:31,319 --> 01:39:33,239
Speaker 5: She was working, well, maybe.

2036
01:39:33,159 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 4: Maybe her scene was cut out for the US release.

2037
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:40,399
Maybe he went if she was a sing well, I

2038
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:42,239
don't know, did she sing in other movies?

2039
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 5: Yes, oh see.

2040
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 4: Then I wonder if maybe there was a scene where

2041
01:39:46,039 --> 01:39:47,880
she was singing it like a nightclub that the guy

2042
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:49,399
went to, and it was like cut out because it

2043
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:50,000
wasn't like.

2044
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 2: They didn't want to reseve that.

2045
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 4: I think a lot of American films they wanted like

2046
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:00,720
the exoticism of you know, an Asian film, but they

2047
01:40:01,039 --> 01:40:04,000
didn't want too many reminders that it was an Asian film,

2048
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:08,800
so like writing in Japanese or singing in Japanese and yeah,

2049
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:12,520
they it's just crazy. They wanted their cake, and they

2050
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:13,359
wanted to have their cake and.

2051
01:40:13,399 --> 01:40:16,079
Speaker 2: Eat or I think with something like Daydream, I think

2052
01:40:16,279 --> 01:40:20,119
it was successful enough because it was so like they

2053
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:23,319
marketed as like, oh, come watch this weird Japanese movie.

2054
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:27,199
You know, with this it's dubbed into English, which makes

2055
01:40:27,239 --> 01:40:29,279
it kind of awkward. It's like, I don't want if

2056
01:40:29,319 --> 01:40:31,039
I want to watch a weird Japanese movie, I want

2057
01:40:31,039 --> 01:40:32,640
to watch a weird Japanese movie. I don't want it

2058
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:34,800
to be dubbed by Don Alderman.

2059
01:40:37,359 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 4: I don't want the animal dubbing my movie, you know,

2060
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:41,680
I don't.

2061
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:45,399
Speaker 5: Need that that brings a voice like how would that?

2062
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:48,399
Like an English dub of watching in the realm of

2063
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:52,760
census would like change the movie absolutely because it would

2064
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,079
be like, oh, like hearing like you know, who would

2065
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:57,159
they get to Billy the actress or the actor like

2066
01:40:57,159 --> 01:40:59,720
who the fuck knows? Right, But imagine like the bad

2067
01:41:00,319 --> 01:41:02,520
like oh, I'm going to like end you or something,

2068
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:05,039
and you're just like there's no, like it just doesn't

2069
01:41:05,039 --> 01:41:08,359
sound right. Yeah, yeah, it wouldn't work. It wouldn't work.

2070
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:11,239
Speaker 2: I would like to hear from Bob like the reasoning

2071
01:41:11,359 --> 01:41:14,479
behind you know, redubbing these, and I don't know, I'm

2072
01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:16,479
sure he I think.

2073
01:41:16,319 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 4: It's because he hated his audiences in a way that

2074
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,479
I mean like he looked down on his audiences. I

2075
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:25,800
think I think he thought that. I think he believed

2076
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:27,800
the audiences for these movies were stupid.

2077
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:28,520
Speaker 2: They're too dumb.

2078
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:31,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they weren't going to read somebtitles. And

2079
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:33,920
also he was trying not trying to make like he

2080
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:36,279
wasn't trying to make art or even really promote art.

2081
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:38,720
He may have had films that were artists sic, but

2082
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:42,199
like he wasn't promoting them that way. He was promoting

2083
01:41:42,199 --> 01:41:45,159
them as trying to appeal to like purran interests, as

2084
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:48,720
local law enforcement would call it. So I think it's

2085
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,399
different where like when you see Slave Widow and that

2086
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:54,359
print has burned in NGOs subtitles because it's marketed as

2087
01:41:54,399 --> 01:41:59,079
something that's like an international import. So it's it's trying

2088
01:41:59,079 --> 01:42:01,359
to appeal to people that want to see Japanese cinema,

2089
01:42:01,399 --> 01:42:04,039
not just sex cinema. And I think that Kraussy's like, well,

2090
01:42:04,079 --> 01:42:05,479
this is a sex movie. We're gonna market it as

2091
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,520
a sex movie, and I can't have Japanese in this movie.

2092
01:42:10,039 --> 01:42:10,239
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2093
01:42:10,279 --> 01:42:12,359
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm being naive and thinking that this would have

2094
01:42:12,359 --> 01:42:15,800
been more successful in its original Japanese dub, but.

2095
01:42:16,239 --> 01:42:19,359
Speaker 4: I'm much more cynical, because I know Krassy.

2096
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:22,119
Speaker 5: I know from everything I've heard about Krassy.

2097
01:42:22,199 --> 01:42:23,640
Speaker 4: There's no way in hell he was going to make

2098
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:25,840
this and release this as some kind of like artistic

2099
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:26,760
statement or anything.

2100
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:27,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2101
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, trash heap from a man.

2102
01:42:32,319 --> 01:42:34,119
Speaker 2: I always seem to come back to her.

2103
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:40,199
Speaker 5: She always wants to know everything, what I've been doing.

2104
01:42:41,279 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: I why I stay with her, the money she gives me.

2105
01:42:48,279 --> 01:42:50,319
Speaker 4: She knows I can't go back into that hot time.

2106
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:51,399
Speaker 2: I hate her.

2107
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:56,239
Speaker 5: She smiles so so prettily, but inside she's planning some

2108
01:42:56,399 --> 01:43:00,760
new corrupt exub bishops for her self and her friends.

2109
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 2: Alex put that note in here where he's like, yeah,

2110
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,319
these didn't he bought these like so cheap? It was

2111
01:43:06,359 --> 01:43:09,760
a joke. I bought the rights for America, Belgium and

2112
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,439
England for four thousand dollars. Then I'd sell the Belgium

2113
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,600
in England for four thousand and we'd have America for free.

2114
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,439
The bite was a good picture. Unfortunately, the Japanese films

2115
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:21,279
didn't go over well here. He told that in an

2116
01:43:21,319 --> 01:43:26,000
interview with Mike Vrainy in called Movies number nine. So yeah,

2117
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:30,760
clearly he is admitting that something went wrong here. Or

2118
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:32,640
but yeah, who knows.

2119
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:34,399
Speaker 5: Well, I was gonna say, it's like, because I think

2120
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:37,760
Gentry you mentioned this earlier. It's like now we're seeing

2121
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:40,800
these films, like we're seeing these films now like as

2122
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,920
even though they're not artistic, right, they're not like intended

2123
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,720
to be artistic. We're kind of seeing them as artistic now,

2124
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:50,119
which kind of changes like the other perspective of these films,

2125
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:53,560
like the intention, right. And then there's other films too

2126
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:57,079
from the s expectation, even Pink, that are not artistic,

2127
01:43:57,159 --> 01:43:59,960
but then we consider them artistic because it's like, you know,

2128
01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:01,960
the way they did a scene or something like that.

2129
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:04,760
So that just brings up that interesting thing to think

2130
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:07,279
about with some of these films, like now the newer

2131
01:44:07,319 --> 01:44:10,600
audiences are going to see them either maybe as artistic

2132
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:13,159
instead of it like just the regular like you know

2133
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:16,119
you're gonna watch in jerk Off Tour or something you know, right,

2134
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:18,479
or the original attention seeing these kind of films like

2135
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:20,840
in the theater being like oh I'm turned on or

2136
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:25,319
something right, mm hmm. It's like if you think about it, No,

2137
01:44:25,359 --> 01:44:26,239
I think that's true.

2138
01:44:26,359 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 4: I mean I think that's true of a lot of

2139
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:30,079
the films that we talk about on this podcast, and

2140
01:44:30,119 --> 01:44:33,920
we talk, you know, about sexploitation, like we've talked about like, uh, well,

2141
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:35,960
I don't know something I was. We go back to

2142
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,680
Sarno as an example for everything. But Sarno's like that

2143
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:41,479
where we watched Sarna's films and you're like, how are

2144
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:43,840
these sex films? Because they're not sex films. They're like

2145
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:47,720
they're melodramas with with actors and good photography and stuff.

2146
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:51,039
So you wonder like, how are these presented as like

2147
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,279
a sex film, so like an adults only audience, and

2148
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:56,319
you know, and then so I think there are probably

2149
01:44:56,359 --> 01:44:59,079
examples in in the pink film genre where it's like,

2150
01:44:59,079 --> 01:45:01,520
well how is this mark? Could it just a sex

2151
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:04,800
sex film audiences when it's like there's there's more to

2152
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:05,520
it than well.

2153
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:08,319
Speaker 2: The thing with that in these films with Sarno, it's

2154
01:45:08,399 --> 01:45:11,840
like he might have drew in the audience that just

2155
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,439
wanted to pear sex film. But I think once they

2156
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:16,720
were in there, I think they realized like, hey, wait,

2157
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:19,399
this is actually really erotic. I actually a kind of

2158
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:21,520
getting turned on by this, even though it's not like

2159
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:26,159
wall to wall like sex scenes. So I think that's

2160
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:28,720
the power of Sarno there is that he was able

2161
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:30,840
to convert some of those people like, oh wait, I

2162
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:31,800
actually really like this.

2163
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:34,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's why I could you could say

2164
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:40,960
that a little bit about the Bite.

2165
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:44,960
Speaker 2: Well, I mean like the hot like undressing lingerie.

2166
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:47,600
Speaker 4: Maybe because there's enough scenes of like you know, voyeurism

2167
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:50,920
and like sexual assault to like be like, oh, this

2168
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:52,920
is this is my this is my cup of tea.

2169
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:57,800
I love it. Cressy is just yeah, crazy is a

2170
01:45:57,800 --> 01:45:59,600
whole nother a person.

2171
01:46:00,079 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the girl, there's one scene in the Bite where

2172
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:07,479
she's wearing like the sixties exploitation panties that you see

2173
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:11,479
in like every American you know. It's like they just

2174
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:14,479
had these things by the box load. Yeah, that's true.

2175
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:17,359
Universal black lace panties keep it.

2176
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:20,640
Speaker 4: Well even well even like I keep going back to

2177
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:22,359
Slave Widow because I love that movie. But even like

2178
01:46:22,399 --> 01:46:24,560
Slave Woodow, look who's jerking off to Slave Widow? I

2179
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:24,920
don't know.

2180
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:26,600
Speaker 6: I mean that director is more of like.

2181
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 4: A Boneless is another one. I'm like, who's jerking off

2182
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:29,600
the Boneless?

2183
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:31,720
Speaker 6: They could try.

2184
01:46:32,239 --> 01:46:34,520
Speaker 4: It's just like and naked pursuit. I think you have

2185
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:36,640
to be I don't know. I can't see people jerking off.

2186
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:38,119
Speaker 5: To that either, you'd be surprised.

2187
01:46:38,159 --> 01:46:38,600
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2188
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:40,920
Speaker 2: That's a very we're looking again, we're looking at this

2189
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:43,000
through a modern line, no, but.

2190
01:46:43,079 --> 01:46:46,119
Speaker 4: I'm also looking through a modern homosexual lens. I don't

2191
01:46:46,199 --> 01:46:48,880
forget how disgusting straight people are.

2192
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 5: No sor but I forget about this.

2193
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:57,720
Speaker 4: I forget about this, the degenerously of heterosexual men at

2194
01:46:57,720 --> 01:46:59,399
these theaters, and this in the sixties.

2195
01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:02,159
Speaker 5: I would say, like Naked Pursued, you see that kind

2196
01:47:02,199 --> 01:47:05,720
of theme, like what happens that film a lot in Nakatsu,

2197
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:08,560
and there's done in different ways where it's like constant

2198
01:47:09,039 --> 01:47:12,119
and the way they do it, whatever director does it,

2199
01:47:12,119 --> 01:47:14,399
it's like you could tell probably somebody like got off

2200
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:16,279
to that, for sure, you know.

2201
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:18,399
Speaker 6: But then it's also like the guy is literally crying

2202
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:22,000
at multiple points, so it's like, I mean.

2203
01:47:22,119 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 4: Now I know. I think that's why I didn't like

2204
01:47:26,039 --> 01:47:27,600
it as much. And that's the thing. I have seen

2205
01:47:28,079 --> 01:47:30,800
later films that are similar to that, where it is

2206
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:33,279
just like a lot of sexual assault going on, But

2207
01:47:33,359 --> 01:47:35,399
I just didn't like the way it was handled Naked Pursuit.

2208
01:47:35,399 --> 01:47:39,000
It's just it's it's just very repetitive, but not in

2209
01:47:39,039 --> 01:47:40,640
like a visually interesting way for me.

2210
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the Ruffy, you know, clearly like the RUFFI

2211
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:48,159
is all about sexual assault, but there is something about

2212
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:51,520
the way the Japanese handles sexual assault that is feels

2213
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:55,079
very different. I know where Casey's coming from. That is

2214
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:57,760
something that you just have to I don't want to say,

2215
01:47:57,800 --> 01:47:58,600
like get used to.

2216
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,880
Speaker 6: But it does people a lot like new to the

2217
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:04,319
genre or even at the sado set too, It's like

2218
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:06,920
I guess, like the lines of consent, it'll be interesting

2219
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,279
like overall, like once more films come out, it's like

2220
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,119
what the opinions are? I knew too, like anyone that's

2221
01:48:12,119 --> 01:48:14,760
like I see them reacting online too, Like there's people

2222
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:16,520
sometimes ask like, Okay, could I come up with like

2223
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,000
a list of like ones that don't involve assault, And

2224
01:48:19,039 --> 01:48:21,600
I'm like, I don't know. There's a lot of doobies consents.

2225
01:48:22,199 --> 01:48:28,039
Speaker 5: Is that list gonna be probably be five? Yeah, it's

2226
01:48:28,119 --> 01:48:29,319
just like I don't know.

2227
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 4: But then that goes in that ties into like the

2228
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:37,039
sexual conservatism of a lot of the film of the

2229
01:48:37,079 --> 01:48:39,520
film scene now where it is kind of like, okay,

2230
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:42,159
these newcomers to the sacho films and pink film in general,

2231
01:48:42,199 --> 01:48:44,399
where it's like this is a part of the genre

2232
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:46,479
and it is kind of a thing where it's like

2233
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:47,479
it seems.

2234
01:48:47,159 --> 01:48:48,840
Speaker 5: Glib to just be like, well, you guys are just

2235
01:48:49,079 --> 01:48:49,640
deal with it.

2236
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 4: It's like, well, I don't know, just there are ways

2237
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:55,600
to approach it and kind of not deal with it.

2238
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:57,800
See I can't say deal with it, but it's like

2239
01:48:58,479 --> 01:49:01,359
it once it becomes part of like the fabric of

2240
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:04,680
the genre, it is very like Gentry said, it's like ruffies.

2241
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:07,600
You just know that it's not going to be the

2242
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:13,039
most politically correct or pro woman situation, and there's other

2243
01:49:13,079 --> 01:49:15,840
stuff that you have to take away from it surrounding

2244
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:21,159
it that are more impactful or like it's like some

2245
01:49:21,279 --> 01:49:21,920
of its parts.

2246
01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 2: I guess yeah. I know. Sam on Sam Deagan on

2247
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,720
her podcast when they talked about the Angel Guts, I

2248
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:31,840
think that they probably explained this a lot better than

2249
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:34,840
I could, you know, with regard to how the how

2250
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:38,920
the assault sort of frames the story involving the woman

2251
01:49:39,039 --> 01:49:43,199
and how her story progresses from there, you know, how

2252
01:49:43,239 --> 01:49:46,560
it changes them in ways both good and bad.

2253
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,279
Speaker 6: Right, I mean, you'll see stuff that American cinema would

2254
01:49:49,279 --> 01:49:51,960
I guess like never do right too, like questions of

2255
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,039
like how to react to it assault, like what's the

2256
01:49:54,159 --> 01:49:56,680
right way to react? It does kind of make how

2257
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:59,199
our cinema I mean not' se expectation, but I guess

2258
01:49:59,279 --> 01:50:01,479
like more like how does like a drama, how does

2259
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:04,760
Hollywood frame assault? How should a person react? Logically?

2260
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 2: Too?

2261
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:09,479
Speaker 6: Obviously Japan doesn't react as well. And I guess also

2262
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:12,199
to like, even the more consensual sex scenes, it's okay

2263
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:14,479
to like, I guess maybe you could relate to this too.

2264
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:17,600
It's like it's okay to enjoy watching sex. I feel

2265
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,720
like when sometimes we talk about people don't want to

2266
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,439
be like they're like, oh, it's the plot everything around it,

2267
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:24,119
but you have to get through the scenes, like you

2268
01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:26,880
can enjoy watching well shot sex.

2269
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:30,159
Speaker 4: Yes. I used to fast forward through sex scenes and

2270
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:32,760
then I realize what am I doing. It's like you're

2271
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:34,880
watching a musical and fast forward through the songs and

2272
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:37,680
the dances. It's like everything around it could be great,

2273
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:41,479
but that's a part of it, and so like, you know, yeah,

2274
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:44,319
I just can't imagine doing that now. And I still

2275
01:50:44,319 --> 01:50:46,520
have conversations with people that have been fans for a

2276
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,079
long time and they still skip through the sex scenes,

2277
01:50:49,079 --> 01:50:54,039
and I'm just like, Okay, well getting that, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2278
01:50:54,039 --> 01:50:56,039
I'm just like, But then they end up still liking

2279
01:50:56,039 --> 01:50:58,039
the movie, and I'm like, you might like it even

2280
01:50:58,119 --> 01:51:02,359
more if you watched the whole and not just the

2281
01:51:02,359 --> 01:51:05,199
parts that you feel comfortable with, and ask yourself, why

2282
01:51:05,239 --> 01:51:08,399
are you not comfortable watching the sex scenes? Like what's

2283
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:09,760
why is that a problem for you?

2284
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:12,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, so watch the bite. It's easy to watch.

2285
01:51:12,319 --> 01:51:13,880
Speaker 5: Yes, it is.

2286
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 12: The poor thing.

2287
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:23,520
Speaker 7: But he needs me, He needs all the things I

2288
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:27,600
give him. I must make him realize that without me

2289
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:34,319
he is nothing. He can go back living in that garbage.

2290
01:51:35,239 --> 01:51:37,880
I'll make him douce that young waitress and bring her

2291
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:42,319
to the villain. She looks like a virgin engine. She

2292
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:44,640
might be entertaining for my friends.

2293
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:47,640
Speaker 2: Did you the first time you watched it, did you

2294
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:49,560
kind of see where it was going with a twist

2295
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:53,439
at the end involving the daughter. I'm just curious, like

2296
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:55,119
how telegraphed you felt that was.

2297
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 6: There's a lot of betrayal to like in pink film.

2298
01:51:58,079 --> 01:52:00,560
I mean, I'm surprised they do emphasize the billing the

2299
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:03,000
daughter on like JMDB she's one of the people that

2300
01:52:03,079 --> 01:52:05,399
was credited. I'm surprised it wasn't more like a major

2301
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:06,600
star or she a little bit more.

2302
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:09,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, just shows up kind of randomly at the end.

2303
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:10,520
Speaker 6: Oh it's my daughter.

2304
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and you kind of know what's gonna happen

2305
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:16,479
to her if she's gonna show up this late in

2306
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:17,479
the story, right.

2307
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:19,640
Speaker 5: Yeah. I didn't like the first time we saw. I

2308
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:22,760
didn't care for that, like twist, it just didn't like. Yeah,

2309
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:25,199
I agree that they could have so many punch here

2310
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:27,000
to do that, Like if it was going to be

2311
01:52:27,199 --> 01:52:30,399
a reveal, right, it needs to have some impact. And

2312
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:32,760
I just thought it was like, for me, if.

2313
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:35,520
Speaker 2: This movie was made like five ten years later, the

2314
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:39,960
mom and the daughter and the jiggle would all be together, right,

2315
01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:44,640
and the mom and the daughter might exactly yeah, exactly,

2316
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:46,600
that's what you're looking for, Chris, Right.

2317
01:52:47,079 --> 01:52:50,279
Speaker 5: No, No, I agree, Like, yeah, ten years later, they

2318
01:52:50,279 --> 01:52:52,680
would have like re really played with the script and

2319
01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:54,079
it would have been more impactful.

2320
01:52:54,119 --> 01:52:57,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree, But for the era that it is, yeah,

2321
01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:00,359
I think it's effective enough. And I don't know, I

2322
01:53:00,399 --> 01:53:02,800
just think the movie looks great and the restoration looks

2323
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:05,039
pretty good. That Cinematics did.

2324
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:07,720
Speaker 4: From the one print. Yeah, I mean it looks good.

2325
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 6: There are more like prints of Kemu Kai from the

2326
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:14,560
sixties era that do survive that, Like someone could hit up,

2327
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:17,159
like again, work out a deal. There's one called flesh

2328
01:53:17,239 --> 01:53:19,960
Clock of Man and Woman, So again that could be like,

2329
01:53:20,119 --> 01:53:25,000
I just like, there's more here if someone did really

2330
01:53:25,039 --> 01:53:27,119
want to pick this up too and get more of

2331
01:53:27,159 --> 01:53:28,960
like a broader range of the genre.

2332
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:31,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not flesh Futon.

2333
01:53:31,319 --> 01:53:34,560
Speaker 6: Is it something that is available from a VHS rip?

2334
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:35,039
Speaker 2: Oh?

2335
01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:35,399
Speaker 4: Is it?

2336
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:37,960
Speaker 5: Because that's what I wanted to see. Okay.

2337
01:53:38,079 --> 01:53:40,359
Speaker 6: It's more of a comedy where like these country guys

2338
01:53:40,399 --> 01:53:42,159
go to the city and it also has like a

2339
01:53:42,359 --> 01:53:45,079
huge number of like pink foam cast in it. It's

2340
01:53:45,279 --> 01:53:46,399
but it's still black and white.

2341
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:46,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2342
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:49,680
Speaker 2: Jasper Sharp mentioned flesh Futon in his book, and so

2343
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:53,239
I was looking at that earlier because he loves the titles.

2344
01:53:53,239 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 6: Well not Yeah, there's a great bodies becoming it's like

2345
01:53:58,079 --> 01:54:01,319
becoming the futon in quotes too there layered over each other.

2346
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:03,439
It should be watched for that too.

2347
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, that's great.

2348
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:05,720
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2349
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:08,399
Speaker 2: Ken McKay is just like there's just I mean, this

2350
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:13,279
is the recurring stories there's just so many films to

2351
01:54:13,279 --> 01:54:17,359
to rediscover in in sexploitation. I don't know. I guess

2352
01:54:17,399 --> 01:54:19,479
we can just keep banging our drum for the stuff

2353
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:22,239
we want to see and hopefully someone listens.

2354
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:24,520
Speaker 5: And I was like, who's what we can do?

2355
01:54:25,079 --> 01:54:28,840
Speaker 6: Crocodile, stay closed, Crocodile.

2356
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:30,720
Speaker 4: That would be the that would be the next step

2357
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:32,880
for depth Crocodile. It's like, Okay, we've gotten enough Eastern

2358
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:33,680
European stuff.

2359
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:35,880
Speaker 2: I was gonna let's let's go.

2360
01:54:36,039 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 4: Let's let's go further and go to Japan.

2361
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,600
Speaker 6: They did all the wasteland.

2362
01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:43,399
Speaker 5: Yeah they did. That's right, they did.

2363
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 4: What am I thinking, Yes, that's right, they did.

2364
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:48,159
Speaker 6: I don't that's I'm curious how it's sold for them too.

2365
01:54:48,199 --> 01:54:50,399
It's like, did it do well? Did it not? Did

2366
01:54:50,399 --> 01:54:52,520
their audience respond to it? I don't know?

2367
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 4: Is that Did they put it on a limited edition?

2368
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 6: Do you remember it's limited?

2369
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:56,920
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2370
01:54:57,119 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, because usually I go by that, like if it's

2371
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,319
what is limited? If it's gone from the website, then

2372
01:55:02,359 --> 01:55:03,079
it's like done.

2373
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:04,920
Speaker 2: Does that mean a thousand?

2374
01:55:05,199 --> 01:55:06,479
Speaker 6: I have one hundred copies right here?

2375
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 5: All right? Right?

2376
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,399
Speaker 4: Dakota ordered a ton just to support the company.

2377
01:55:11,399 --> 01:55:13,279
Speaker 5: It is just going to be like, you get a copy,

2378
01:55:13,359 --> 01:55:15,479
you get a those are those.

2379
01:55:15,319 --> 01:55:18,199
Speaker 4: That's your Christmas gifts this year. You're just disturbing those.

2380
01:55:19,119 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 2: You get a sex doll, you get a sex doll.

2381
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:22,039
Speaker 6: You get it.

2382
01:55:22,199 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 5: You know we would do if we, if we, if anything,

2383
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:27,199
would have done a sex and three one. I was like,

2384
01:55:27,239 --> 01:55:28,920
you get a sex and free you.

2385
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:33,399
Speaker 2: Get Oh those but those import fees, that's gonna you're

2386
01:55:33,439 --> 01:55:35,479
going to be spending a lot this Christmas.

2387
01:55:36,439 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 6: Is import as a retailer.

2388
01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:41,199
Speaker 4: Oh nice, Like I keep seeing I keep seeing ads

2389
01:55:41,199 --> 01:55:43,159
for that on Instagram sponsored posts.

2390
01:55:43,319 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 2: What's their shipping threshold?

2391
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:48,800
Speaker 5: Probably i'll get back.

2392
01:55:50,399 --> 01:55:52,319
Speaker 2: Well that's great, Yeah, I might have to pick that.

2393
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:56,000
Speaker 4: The limited is fifteen hundred units for this, and they

2394
01:55:56,039 --> 01:56:01,039
say they're in low stock right now hopefully probably almost

2395
01:56:01,239 --> 01:56:05,840
inflatable sex doll. Yeah, so it's almost gone. And then

2396
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:06,880
there's a standard one.

2397
01:56:07,119 --> 01:56:10,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like a jumbo box the limited edition,

2398
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:11,279
isn't it.

2399
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:13,840
Speaker 4: Chris d is involved. God, I haven't thought about that

2400
01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:15,640
guy in a long time. He was another one who

2401
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:19,279
was very involved with like releases of Japanese cinema. Well

2402
01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:21,079
he did that.

2403
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 2: Book to yea Our boss Our bosses on there, Ryan,

2404
01:56:25,399 --> 01:56:26,439
get a video, say.

2405
01:56:26,279 --> 01:56:28,600
Speaker 5: On the sorry Ryan cut that out?

2406
01:56:31,359 --> 01:56:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I did.

2407
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:55,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't know if you were ready to wrap up,

2408
01:56:55,439 --> 01:56:59,000
but yeah, exactly.

2409
01:56:59,039 --> 01:57:01,439
Speaker 4: I've noticed that that we do that regularly, well where

2410
01:57:01,479 --> 01:57:03,960
gentry is like so last words and then we'll keep

2411
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:07,279
going for another like fifteen minutes. And this might lead

2412
01:57:07,319 --> 01:57:10,640
to that because I wondered if y'all could give us

2413
01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:14,840
like five pink films that are a good like starter

2414
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:18,960
list for people like off it's like off the top

2415
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:22,279
of your head, putting you on the spot, or maybe two.

2416
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:23,640
If five is too.

2417
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 5: Much, five is fine.

2418
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:27,520
Speaker 6: It's just counting. Oh god, no, I know.

2419
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 4: I'm just like, you've seen how many, but I didn't.

2420
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:30,520
I didn't know if there were five.

2421
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:33,239
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, by which definition are we going rigid?

2422
01:57:33,319 --> 01:57:34,840
Like no, no, only.

2423
01:57:35,239 --> 01:57:38,920
Speaker 8: Going to call us up and like yeah like this

2424
01:57:39,279 --> 01:57:48,560
like guys, wow, okay, because well Casey already shout out muscle,

2425
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:51,239
which is like it is the muscle entry.

2426
01:57:51,479 --> 01:57:54,000
Speaker 6: It's a great example of gay pink as well. It's

2427
01:57:54,079 --> 01:57:57,359
moody serious. I mean also someone's put off by I

2428
01:57:57,359 --> 01:58:01,560
guess like assault towards women. Watch muscle, Yeah, towards men.

2429
01:58:03,159 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 4: Exactly.

2430
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:07,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say, if you really want to start

2431
01:58:07,079 --> 01:58:09,439
into I would you know, because it's kind of a

2432
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:13,279
it's out there, it got released, it looks great. I

2433
01:58:13,279 --> 01:58:16,520
will say that Apartment Wife, the Affair in the Afternoon,

2434
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:18,760
that's a great first starter pink film.

2435
01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:19,439
Speaker 3: It is.

2436
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:24,039
Speaker 5: It's classy era. It's that golden era of Nakatsu. It's

2437
01:58:24,119 --> 01:58:26,159
done well. It's very kind of melodramatic.

2438
01:58:26,319 --> 01:58:29,399
Speaker 6: Even eighty eight film fans have liked that movie exactly.

2439
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:34,520
Speaker 5: It should say really, yeah, well we actually liked it too.

2440
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:36,439
I think I thought, like first time we saw it

2441
01:58:36,520 --> 01:58:39,239
was like great, but on the restoration it just was

2442
01:58:39,279 --> 01:58:41,880
like it just kicked into another gear. The music it's

2443
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:44,960
very jazzy. It's just the colors. I would start with

2444
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,800
that one. That's like a good one. What's another one,

2445
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:49,960
because there's some other titles, I would say, but then

2446
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:52,520
you kind of have to get into them, get to

2447
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:53,800
more pink here.

2448
01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:56,159
Speaker 6: I guess I do like a horror one, like an

2449
01:58:56,159 --> 01:58:58,439
easier one. Oh, I guess, like I guess a shout

2450
01:58:58,439 --> 01:59:00,560
out to It's like I I would say, Entrals of

2451
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,880
a Virgin's great for a horror fan, but like the

2452
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:05,199
one title, it's like I've kind of scared all the

2453
01:59:05,199 --> 01:59:08,199
Blue Raye people with is I mean, can I say

2454
01:59:08,199 --> 01:59:08,680
the R word?

2455
01:59:09,439 --> 01:59:09,760
Speaker 4: Yes?

2456
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:12,359
Speaker 6: Oh okay, it's just called hard rape. So it's like

2457
01:59:12,439 --> 01:59:16,279
it's a Nakatsu's. I guess it's probably like their closest,

2458
01:59:16,399 --> 01:59:19,479
like it's a slasher, right, It's like, I don't know.

2459
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:23,039
It's definitely freaked out multiple people when I mentioned the

2460
01:59:23,079 --> 01:59:26,239
title alone. But if if it was available and easy

2461
01:59:26,279 --> 01:59:28,279
to watch, I'd be like, watch that one just because

2462
01:59:28,399 --> 01:59:31,000
you're getting like a slasher that has a salt.

2463
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:33,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it. Is that the one that has like

2464
01:59:34,079 --> 01:59:37,439
the Jason character, like the yes? Yes?

2465
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:40,720
Speaker 6: Also I guess something too there is like a Roman porno.

2466
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:44,000
There's a Dorian gray riff called white Skin Glimmering in

2467
01:59:44,039 --> 01:59:47,640
the darkness. It's very moody, very gothic. Again, it'd be

2468
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:49,680
like a dream future Mondo Micabo title.

2469
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:51,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah nice.

2470
01:59:52,119 --> 01:59:54,279
Speaker 5: Also, oh yeah, what do you got?

2471
01:59:54,319 --> 01:59:55,159
Speaker 2: And that's number five?

2472
01:59:55,279 --> 01:59:55,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2473
01:59:55,560 --> 01:59:59,439
Speaker 5: Go oh for me? I I think it's unhinged, but

2474
01:59:59,479 --> 02:00:02,039
I think it's Anybody could watch it, And a lot

2475
02:00:02,039 --> 02:00:04,159
of people watched it and said they actually liked it.

2476
02:00:04,760 --> 02:00:08,520
If you like Jallo's, which we do, and he Dakota

2477
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:14,680
was like, okay, bos okay, zoom in sex Yeah?

2478
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:17,560
Speaker 2: Is that the first of the zoom in series because

2479
02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:21,359
there's a whole bunch, isn't there? Yeah, I'm I thinking zoom.

2480
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:22,920
Speaker 5: Up Murder Site, Murder Site.

2481
02:00:23,039 --> 02:00:25,640
Speaker 6: No, zoom in Sex Apartments is the first first.

2482
02:00:25,720 --> 02:00:25,920
Speaker 5: Yes.

2483
02:00:26,119 --> 02:00:28,840
Speaker 6: Also again, if Syndrome would like hit up well again,

2484
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:31,079
if they hit up Nikatu right, but yeah, if they

2485
02:00:31,079 --> 02:00:35,000
wanted to do like a Jallo inspired Nakatsu set, they could.

2486
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:37,520
And then there's also other ones that haven't been put

2487
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:41,039
out before too, starring the same actress of zoom Up,

2488
02:00:41,039 --> 02:00:44,039
Sex Apartments and Sex Hunter. So there are accessible titles

2489
02:00:44,079 --> 02:00:45,079
that people could watch.

2490
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:47,640
Speaker 2: M yes, well, and some of those were put out

2491
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:51,560
by synaps or SS right and DVDs So.

2492
02:00:52,039 --> 02:00:56,000
Speaker 6: Tastic retitled by sineps, so they.

2493
02:00:55,880 --> 02:00:57,960
Speaker 2: Have like a built in audience. I feel like that

2494
02:00:58,000 --> 02:00:59,960
would be like, hey, I remember this when this was

2495
02:01:00,039 --> 02:01:03,399
put out in what was that twenty ten weile ago?

2496
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:09,560
Speaker 5: Yeah? Further Yeah, because like Saame actress from Sex Apartments,

2497
02:01:10,479 --> 02:01:13,039
she started like a later other one too that was

2498
02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:14,279
kind of Jello ESK where she.

2499
02:01:14,199 --> 02:01:15,760
Speaker 6: Has the fur coats. Revenge.

2500
02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:18,600
Speaker 5: How's Revenge is another great one too, that's a very jello.

2501
02:01:19,199 --> 02:01:22,319
But I think Sex Apartment is like it goes even further,

2502
02:01:22,720 --> 02:01:25,960
it goes more into what's a jello in Venice? That's

2503
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:33,199
where I would say, like laws but base.

2504
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:38,520
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, well, actually that reminds me. Dakota has a

2505
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:42,760
great list on Letterbox called Queering Jallo, which everyone should

2506
02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:44,920
like that list and use it as a watch list

2507
02:01:45,079 --> 02:01:48,560
because everything on that list is great. And I've actually

2508
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:51,880
revisited jolly on that list and now I like them

2509
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:54,159
because I read your reviews and I was like, oh,

2510
02:01:54,199 --> 02:01:56,199
if I watch it through Dakota's eyes, I actually really

2511
02:01:56,279 --> 02:02:01,119
liked this very inspirational.

2512
02:02:02,720 --> 02:02:04,399
Speaker 2: It is a very queer genre.

2513
02:02:04,720 --> 02:02:07,479
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, really when you get down to it,

2514
02:02:07,600 --> 02:02:09,319
and I will, I'm gonna throw a bonus film for

2515
02:02:09,399 --> 02:02:13,920
you because eight thinks this is later Nikatsu. It's another

2516
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:16,359
personal fave, and it's not. It has nothing to do

2517
02:02:16,399 --> 02:02:19,720
with the salt. So it's very it's very tasteful, it's

2518
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:24,319
very cute. It's called a Tale of Happiness. It's about

2519
02:02:24,319 --> 02:02:27,439
an aging couple, like a couple who like decides that

2520
02:02:27,479 --> 02:02:31,119
they're cheating on each other. Then they realize that because

2521
02:02:31,159 --> 02:02:34,039
they cheated on these like on each other, they grow

2522
02:02:34,199 --> 02:02:39,199
closer together, and it's it's a it's a that sounds

2523
02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:39,720
like American.

2524
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:40,479
Speaker 4: It's very.

2525
02:02:42,720 --> 02:02:43,079
Speaker 5: Like that.

2526
02:02:43,359 --> 02:02:45,680
Speaker 2: Is this like the straight story for pink film?

2527
02:02:46,680 --> 02:02:50,800
Speaker 5: No, oh my god, but yeah, I just throw them

2528
02:02:51,359 --> 02:02:54,279
because it's like you could see where like Later Nakatsu

2529
02:02:54,359 --> 02:02:56,760
is like much later, like eighty I think it's eighty seven,

2530
02:02:56,840 --> 02:02:57,840
eighty eighty eight.

2531
02:02:57,880 --> 02:02:58,680
Speaker 6: It's one of the last.

2532
02:02:58,720 --> 02:03:01,439
Speaker 5: It's one of the last, like in Porno. And I

2533
02:03:01,479 --> 02:03:03,960
think it's just something to like because nobody talks about

2534
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:05,800
that and they want to see like they always hear

2535
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:07,000
us talk about the.

2536
02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:08,880
Speaker 6: Well, the eighties is a weird pier in general, like

2537
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:11,800
people kind of avoided for Blu Ray of Nikatsu. That's

2538
02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:13,760
why it was a big d with like Kawnie's recent

2539
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:15,840
one too, like the fact that oh my god, we're

2540
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:18,159
finally getting something it's not Angel Gods, like I mean,

2541
02:03:19,159 --> 02:03:19,760
I love that.

2542
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:22,720
Speaker 3: Yes.

2543
02:03:23,319 --> 02:03:25,760
Speaker 5: Yeah. And also, while Casey could always hit us up,

2544
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:28,680
we could give you more stuff. You want to go

2545
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:30,920
unhint or you want to go stuffed.

2546
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:34,039
Speaker 4: I know, well you got you sent me Man and Woman,

2547
02:03:34,079 --> 02:03:36,560
which I still haven't watched yet. I've only skipped through it,

2548
02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:38,600
and I'm like and you told me it was it

2549
02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:40,279
was like a low quality grip wherever. And I was

2550
02:03:40,319 --> 02:03:46,079
like this looks great, and yeah, I was like, okay,

2551
02:03:46,119 --> 02:03:47,680
I got to watch this. I have to watch the

2552
02:03:47,720 --> 02:03:51,680
German dubbed one too. But I also wanted to ask

2553
02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:54,720
if people haven't checked out two in the Pink Ou yet,

2554
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:57,479
is what episode? Is there an episode or two that

2555
02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:00,159
you think are like good entry points for people who

2556
02:04:00,199 --> 02:04:03,600
are coming, who are discovering you guys, I.

2557
02:04:03,640 --> 02:04:05,520
Speaker 2: Know what I would say, but i'll.

2558
02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:09,680
Speaker 4: As a listener, Gentry, what do you say?

2559
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:12,119
Speaker 2: Well, then Naomi Tani episode, I.

2560
02:04:12,119 --> 02:04:16,560
Speaker 5: Think, yeah, yeah, you like gush over her and that's

2561
02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:19,359
like hours. We're just like Tawny.

2562
02:04:19,880 --> 02:04:22,600
Speaker 6: Also, we chose like an inch title that you couldn't

2563
02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:24,560
release because of the dog.

2564
02:04:25,279 --> 02:04:31,880
Speaker 5: Oh yes, what what because we talked about rope cosmetology,

2565
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:34,119
which there is a dog saying there's a beast?

2566
02:04:36,199 --> 02:04:37,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah.

2567
02:04:37,279 --> 02:04:39,640
Speaker 6: Annie was a very committed actress.

2568
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,880
Speaker 5: Meryl Streep would no, she wouldn't.

2569
02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:48,920
Speaker 2: She's just like, you know, I think Western audiences can understand.

2570
02:04:49,319 --> 02:04:51,760
She's like the queen, you know, the queen of pink film.

2571
02:04:52,039 --> 02:04:54,439
We have our queens over here, you guys always compare

2572
02:04:54,520 --> 02:05:00,720
to Joan Crawford. Obviously a few differences there, but like.

2573
02:05:00,680 --> 02:05:05,880
Speaker 4: A Marsha Jordan or Renee Bond sort of in American Exploitation, Yeah,

2574
02:05:06,159 --> 02:05:07,840
we don't really have an S and M. We don't

2575
02:05:07,880 --> 02:05:13,359
have like a BDSM adjacent person like Naomi Tani in

2576
02:05:13,399 --> 02:05:16,920
Americans Exploitation. We only have like a star system of

2577
02:05:17,399 --> 02:05:19,279
regular people who showed up in these movies. But I

2578
02:05:19,319 --> 02:05:24,720
feel like Nammutani is known for those the BDSM things,

2579
02:05:25,039 --> 02:05:27,640
and her interview in that book is actually terrific. And

2580
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:30,399
it's really that's a very terrific interview that she gave

2581
02:05:30,439 --> 02:05:31,560
in that washer book.

2582
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:33,920
Speaker 2: I want to say, like Georgina Spelvin maybe is a

2583
02:05:34,359 --> 02:05:38,439
hardcore Maine hardcore yeah, because she was like so prevalent

2584
02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:40,720
for such a long time and she kind of did

2585
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:43,319
every I mean, she did some stuff.

2586
02:05:43,439 --> 02:05:46,199
Speaker 4: Actually maybe you know what, maybe Marilyn Chambers, because Marilyn

2587
02:05:46,279 --> 02:05:50,199
Chambers eventually became was in the S and M beyond

2588
02:05:50,239 --> 02:05:53,079
Dasad and ever attender moment where she gets like anally

2589
02:05:53,119 --> 02:05:57,119
fisted and stuff, and so she eventually really went nuts,

2590
02:05:57,159 --> 02:06:01,159
but with her boundary pushing. But yeah, that's interesting. Naom

2591
02:06:01,159 --> 02:06:02,840
Buttani is very unique in that way.

2592
02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:04,680
Speaker 2: But what would you guys say?

2593
02:06:04,760 --> 02:06:07,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, sorry, I guess our gay one too. We've talked

2594
02:06:07,399 --> 02:06:09,119
a lot about gay ping film. I mean, if someone

2595
02:06:09,119 --> 02:06:11,319
wants us to, I guess, like listen to something. I

2596
02:06:11,319 --> 02:06:13,760
guess you're not watching too, or maybe don't have access

2597
02:06:13,800 --> 02:06:16,279
to right. I don't know if I would start with

2598
02:06:16,319 --> 02:06:18,800
some of the weirder ones where we're getting from, like VHS,

2599
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:22,319
but again, they're probably films that would sound crazy and exciting,

2600
02:06:22,720 --> 02:06:26,079
like who doesn't want to learn about enemas and vegetables or.

2601
02:06:26,600 --> 02:06:31,800
Speaker 5: Like raining rain, like raining waterfalls on one of them.

2602
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:37,359
But I'll say all those things together. Yeah episode or

2603
02:06:37,359 --> 02:06:40,359
the mary O episode, or I the episode where we

2604
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:45,720
talked about waterfalls, I would say, don't the first episode,

2605
02:06:46,119 --> 02:06:49,920
it's just like because we're no the Apartment Wife episode.

2606
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:51,079
That's our first episode.

2607
02:06:51,119 --> 02:06:53,199
Speaker 6: We sat in front of a computer in press play

2608
02:06:53,239 --> 02:06:54,039
and didn't have a mic.

2609
02:06:54,399 --> 02:06:57,479
Speaker 5: We just started and then we just started listening all

2610
02:06:57,479 --> 02:06:59,159
the titles of Apartment Wife.

2611
02:06:59,319 --> 02:07:05,600
Speaker 2: Yes see, I like the I like the Apartment Wife series.

2612
02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:08,560
But I think for a first time listener would be like, well,

2613
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:09,680
this is just too much.

2614
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:11,399
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, That's why I was like, don't go with

2615
02:07:11,479 --> 02:07:14,000
down and go with like stuff that's like okay, Like, yeah,

2616
02:07:14,039 --> 02:07:15,640
the tawny episode is great.

2617
02:07:15,479 --> 02:07:16,680
Speaker 2: It might be overwhelming.

2618
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:19,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, talk about our gay teacher episode.

2619
02:07:20,119 --> 02:07:21,039
Speaker 5: That one's a fun one.

2620
02:07:21,319 --> 02:07:25,159
Speaker 6: Teachers, Yeah, because like we're just who doesn't want to

2621
02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:29,840
learn about lesbian schoolgirls? And I guess political terrorists, oh.

2622
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:32,399
Speaker 5: My god, or like that's the thing.

2623
02:07:34,399 --> 02:07:37,359
Speaker 4: As I because full disclosure, I think I think I

2624
02:07:37,439 --> 02:07:39,399
told you guys. I have downloaded them all, but I

2625
02:07:39,399 --> 02:07:41,039
haven't listened to any of them yet because I want

2626
02:07:41,039 --> 02:07:44,920
to watch the movies first. But so basically to.

2627
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:46,640
Speaker 2: Watch the whole Apartment series first.

2628
02:07:46,760 --> 02:07:49,600
Speaker 4: If anyone's listening to this and they're like me and

2629
02:07:49,600 --> 02:07:52,359
they haven't watched these movies yet, should that deter them

2630
02:07:52,359 --> 02:07:52,800
from listening?

2631
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:54,000
Speaker 5: Should I just dive right in?

2632
02:07:54,119 --> 02:07:56,560
Speaker 6: No, nothing actually spoils, like well, I mean, we do

2633
02:07:56,600 --> 02:07:59,359
spoil like plots, but honestly, it doesn't ruin your experience

2634
02:07:59,399 --> 02:08:00,600
in a film whatsoever.

2635
02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:04,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, because like Gentry could attest to this, Like sometimes

2636
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:06,159
when we talk about the films, then we go off

2637
02:08:06,199 --> 02:08:10,319
and crazy tangents and then I bring up wrestling most of.

2638
02:08:10,319 --> 02:08:13,880
Speaker 2: The time all the time, and then other times we.

2639
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:16,199
Speaker 5: Talk about like I also mention other films that like,

2640
02:08:16,359 --> 02:08:18,039
rind me of this, and then we just kind of

2641
02:08:18,079 --> 02:08:20,479
wrap it up and talk about, like, you know, we

2642
02:08:20,680 --> 02:08:22,640
just have fun with they always do the awards at

2643
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:25,880
the end, we like the best actress, the best animal.

2644
02:08:28,720 --> 02:08:30,119
You're supporting, No.

2645
02:08:30,159 --> 02:08:35,039
Speaker 2: I am. I appreciate the thoroughness, but I just I

2646
02:08:35,039 --> 02:08:37,520
would warn a listener that, like it's it's a lot

2647
02:08:37,600 --> 02:08:39,680
to take in if you haven't like at least sampled

2648
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:41,319
some of these films.

2649
02:08:42,640 --> 02:08:47,239
Speaker 5: I say. Another one, another one to listen to is

2650
02:08:47,279 --> 02:08:49,399
a Suto ones because we've done sub.

2651
02:08:50,359 --> 02:08:52,600
Speaker 6: It's easy to watch too, Like that's not a hard

2652
02:08:53,039 --> 02:08:54,199
mine to see.

2653
02:08:54,199 --> 02:08:56,680
Speaker 5: Because we did we did the gay Souto and then

2654
02:08:56,680 --> 02:08:58,199
we did did we do?

2655
02:08:58,640 --> 02:08:58,800
Speaker 4: Oh?

2656
02:08:58,840 --> 02:08:59,800
Speaker 5: We did nakatsus.

2657
02:09:00,079 --> 02:09:02,720
Speaker 6: We also covered as lesbian one, which is great.

2658
02:09:02,600 --> 02:09:07,159
Speaker 5: Yes, which lesbion silen Oh okay, because I'm like one

2659
02:09:07,199 --> 02:09:10,079
of my favors from nakatsu is the Roman X one,

2660
02:09:10,119 --> 02:09:14,359
which is kind of a it's really really like raunchy.

2661
02:09:14,680 --> 02:09:16,239
Speaker 2: Woman in a Box. Did you guys do a whole

2662
02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:17,479
episode on that I can't remember?

2663
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:20,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did Taboo Perversion X.

2664
02:09:20,359 --> 02:09:22,399
Speaker 6: It's the whole true crime side of I guess like

2665
02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:24,720
Roman X too. So like Woman a Box is based

2666
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:28,000
on the colleens Dan kidnapping and it's double partner film.

2667
02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:30,520
It's based on a cannibal story from Japan. Yeah, as

2668
02:09:30,560 --> 02:09:33,880
one does right, make it sexy?

2669
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:35,600
Speaker 2: Well, and there's a lifetime movie about it too.

2670
02:09:35,640 --> 02:09:40,640
Speaker 4: Didn't you guys mention that.

2671
02:09:39,800 --> 02:09:40,640
Speaker 2: I could listen them all?

2672
02:09:40,680 --> 02:09:40,920
Speaker 6: I know?

2673
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:43,239
Speaker 2: I really like the Sadai Abbe one too. Again, that's

2674
02:09:43,279 --> 02:09:46,079
like very mainstream, Like everybody knows in the realm of

2675
02:09:46,079 --> 02:09:47,920
the senses, they know this. I mean, most people know

2676
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:49,479
the story of Sadai Abbe so.

2677
02:09:49,600 --> 02:09:54,039
Speaker 6: Which is license now by Film Movement. Yeah, on the website.

2678
02:09:54,079 --> 02:09:55,199
It's not a secret, that.

2679
02:09:55,239 --> 02:09:59,319
Speaker 4: Is Yeah, that is interesting. I forgot about that. Huh.

2680
02:09:59,399 --> 02:10:01,000
Speaker 6: If they do any thing with it, I don't know.

2681
02:10:02,119 --> 02:10:02,359
Speaker 3: You know.

2682
02:10:02,479 --> 02:10:05,119
Speaker 4: See that's the thing. Well, we've been down that road,

2683
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:07,800
lots of people not doing things the things they have.

2684
02:10:08,640 --> 02:10:13,920
Speaker 2: You've started prodding them, haven't you, Dakota alright.

2685
02:10:13,680 --> 02:10:17,520
Speaker 6: Give us yeah one.

2686
02:10:19,399 --> 02:10:19,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

2687
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:22,880
Speaker 2: You guys haven't released your episode yet talking about your screening,

2688
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:23,520
Am I wrong?

2689
02:10:24,239 --> 02:10:30,159
Speaker 5: We did, but also we're gonna do that. It's released,

2690
02:10:30,159 --> 02:10:33,560
but we had it unlistened because there was some issues

2691
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:37,079
mostly I would say mostly me because I have a

2692
02:10:37,119 --> 02:10:37,600
big mouth.

2693
02:10:38,039 --> 02:10:40,520
Speaker 6: We didnt say anything negative. You didn't say anything negative.

2694
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:41,159
Oh my god.

2695
02:10:41,439 --> 02:10:45,159
Speaker 5: I think some people were listening who were part of

2696
02:10:47,079 --> 02:10:50,920
the screening felt a certain way, and you know, and

2697
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:54,000
what I said was like, okay, this way. What I

2698
02:10:54,079 --> 02:10:57,720
was saying was mostly all about like just the genre,

2699
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:00,439
like the fandom, and also talk about art world, so

2700
02:11:00,479 --> 02:11:03,199
I kind of blended them together and they took it

2701
02:11:03,279 --> 02:11:03,880
kind of wrong.

2702
02:11:04,359 --> 02:11:07,079
Speaker 6: We also talk about why I like you like this too,

2703
02:11:07,119 --> 02:11:09,640
so I don't know also what they reacted to either,

2704
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:11,560
but yeah, so very bad.

2705
02:11:11,720 --> 02:11:14,239
Speaker 5: So we're thinking maybe in December we're gonna list it

2706
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:15,199
relistened again.

2707
02:11:16,039 --> 02:11:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm losing my mind. Yeah, I'm like, I did

2708
02:11:18,399 --> 02:11:20,359
listen to it, and I'm looking at your I'm looking

2709
02:11:20,439 --> 02:11:23,000
at your feed and it's not on there, Like, yeah.

2710
02:11:23,560 --> 02:11:26,039
Speaker 5: It's funny. A lot of our letter Letterbox friends like

2711
02:11:26,119 --> 02:11:29,840
especially shout out to John Peters on Letterbox. He said,

2712
02:11:30,720 --> 02:11:32,760
I was like, He's like, you didn't say anything bad.

2713
02:11:33,159 --> 02:11:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember anything.

2714
02:11:35,119 --> 02:11:38,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but again we were playing.

2715
02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:42,640
Speaker 2: You just called out that one Letterbox reviewer for which one.

2716
02:11:43,279 --> 02:11:46,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of those kinds of conversations.

2717
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:50,880
Speaker 5: No, no, no, there's many episodes where I always talked

2718
02:11:51,159 --> 02:11:53,640
about some kind of sorry for cust. I always talked

2719
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:57,000
about like one we really care about language, Chris, all right, No,

2720
02:11:57,119 --> 02:12:00,640
there's always one letter box reviewer somebody like like my

2721
02:12:00,680 --> 02:12:03,720
feet somehow like always throw something and I always have

2722
02:12:03,800 --> 02:12:05,640
to mention it. And I was like, should I say

2723
02:12:05,680 --> 02:12:07,279
the name? And then they're like, no, don't say the

2724
02:12:07,359 --> 02:12:08,239
name of the person.

2725
02:12:08,439 --> 02:12:12,439
Speaker 2: It's not that hard to find. Just hit recent find it.

2726
02:12:13,479 --> 02:12:16,319
Speaker 4: I feel like that's probably drinking game for our podcast too, though, Gentry.

2727
02:12:16,359 --> 02:12:19,640
If anytime I anytime I have a soapbox moment to

2728
02:12:19,680 --> 02:12:22,359
complain about, somebody, take us take a drink, and I

2729
02:12:22,399 --> 02:12:25,039
think I think there's at least bore in every episode,

2730
02:12:25,119 --> 02:12:30,920
probably about somebody or some company. Yeah, but you know,

2731
02:12:31,039 --> 02:12:33,960
give me a microphone. I'll I can't control myself.

2732
02:12:34,279 --> 02:12:37,279
Speaker 2: We're honest podcasts. We're not going to sugarcoat it. That's

2733
02:12:37,279 --> 02:12:38,439
what they call pretty much.

2734
02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:41,119
Speaker 4: That's why that's why it was so funny. Chris, or

2735
02:12:41,199 --> 02:12:42,079
like name the podcast.

2736
02:12:42,119 --> 02:12:47,800
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm like, well, yeah, because like they don't.

2737
02:12:47,800 --> 02:12:50,800
Speaker 4: I don't like to name them because it hurts my mouth.

2738
02:12:52,520 --> 02:12:52,560
Speaker 2: No.

2739
02:12:52,680 --> 02:12:55,880
Speaker 5: Because also I was kind of saying about like another

2740
02:12:55,960 --> 02:12:59,680
podcast too on the recent episode, but I was like,

2741
02:12:59,720 --> 02:13:01,680
I'm not going to mention the name of the podcast,

2742
02:13:01,680 --> 02:13:03,239
but it was like, oh, there was some kind of

2743
02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:05,520
little little little thing here and there.

2744
02:13:05,560 --> 02:13:08,720
Speaker 4: But I was just like, okay, yeah, yeah, when Gentry's

2745
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:09,920
pressed to stop, I'll.

2746
02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:15,279
Speaker 2: Tell you, well, Dakota, you're good at these things. Can

2747
02:13:15,279 --> 02:13:19,640
you give us like a final closing, closing comment on

2748
02:13:19,680 --> 02:13:21,359
the bite and Ken Mukai.

2749
02:13:21,319 --> 02:13:22,680
Speaker 6: Because I'm the only one who liked.

2750
02:13:26,359 --> 02:13:29,720
Speaker 5: Who is the best actress? Who is the best actress? Best? Well,

2751
02:13:29,720 --> 02:13:32,720
we know the best actor obviously, but best actress the

2752
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:38,079
madam there you go. Yeah, yeah, barely, yeah, not the lead, not.

2753
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:40,279
Speaker 2: The lead actor. I didn't think he was very good.

2754
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:43,920
Speaker 6: He was there, he was yeah, but.

2755
02:13:44,159 --> 02:13:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, it's hard to tell because of the dubbings,

2756
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:47,920
so you.

2757
02:13:47,880 --> 02:13:50,239
Speaker 6: Know, some random girth the bar that's the best actress

2758
02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:52,439
was in the background. That's it.

2759
02:13:53,039 --> 02:13:56,199
Speaker 2: The direction is good, the cinematography is good. I think

2760
02:13:56,239 --> 02:13:57,159
we can all agree on that.

2761
02:13:57,279 --> 02:14:02,560
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yes, yes, absolutely, Bob Cressy is jerking

2762
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:23,000
it somewhere.

2763
02:14:41,239 --> 02:14:44,079
Speaker 6: Thank you for listening to hear more shows from the

2764
02:14:44,079 --> 02:14:47,920
Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network. Please select the link in

2765
02:14:47,960 --> 02:14:49,000
the description.

2766
02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:57,079
Speaker 12: Are you a film fan who loves the ultimate home

2767
02:14:57,199 --> 02:15:02,159
video experience, Look no further than The disc Connected. Your host,

2768
02:15:02,399 --> 02:15:05,159
Ryan Verel, is your go to source for the latest

2769
02:15:05,199 --> 02:15:09,359
and most accurate information on home video releases, exclusive interviews

2770
02:15:09,359 --> 02:15:13,079
with industry insiders and filmmakers, and has established a thriving

2771
02:15:13,119 --> 02:15:17,079
community where every film and physical media enthusiast feels welcome.

2772
02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:21,960
From hidden gems to blockbuster hits, the disc Connected brings

2773
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:24,960
you insider knowledge and a welcoming space to share your

2774
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:28,399
love of cinema. Watch every Thursday night at nine thirty

2775
02:15:28,439 --> 02:15:31,760
Eastern six thirty Pacific for the live announcements show and

2776
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:35,680
follow the disc Connected on social media. To stay updated,

2777
02:15:36,079 --> 02:15:39,600
subscribe to the Discconnected on YouTube or on the podcast

2778
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:42,680
provider of your choice, and dive into a world where

2779
02:15:42,720 --> 02:15:44,640
every movie night is an adventure.