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want to welcome everyone back to the Peekenona Show. Mike

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from Imperium presses back.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Mike, I'm doing very well, Pete, it's

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nice to be back on the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. The time difference is quite something. Let's

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set this up for this time on this day, and

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that day is my day. I don't know, you figure

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out what day it is for you kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's something I'm used to now. The triangle

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of death is trying to organize an Australian and American

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and European guests all at the same time, which I've

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had to do many times, so I've had a lot

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of practice at it, so I'm pretty I've got a

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handle on it at this point.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the culture Dad stream that you did that

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I was on that. That must have been a fun one.

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You had people coming in from all all different time zones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was blast. Actually, that was a great episode.

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I had a lot of fun without it.

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Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun. All right, let's get

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down to this. Because when you told me about this,

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I looked at the title and I was like, Eh, okay, okay,

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I like it. I like the term thug. I like

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what it sounds like. And then I started looking into

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it and I was like, oh wow, Mike did something

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that no one's done before. And I'm impressed. So lets

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just tell everybody a little bit about about your new book.

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This is a book that IMPERI impresses putting out that

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you wrote that. Mike Maxwell wrote the Cultured Thug Handbook.

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So yes, where did this idea come from?

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Speaker 2: It actually came from Speaking of Culture Dads. It came

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from my broadcast partner on that podcast, Dave Martel, and

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it predates Culture Dads. So it goes back a number

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of years.

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Speaker 3: Actually.

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Speaker 2: Basically, Dave and I had been He has another show

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called The Bog, which went on hiatus for a little while,

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but at the time he was doing it, it's back now,

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and I had been on a number of episodes on

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that show. So Dave and I kind of knew each other.

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We'd been podcasting together, you know, I'd guessed on his podcast,

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you know, two or three times or something like that.

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We were friends. And at the time this was back

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in oh, probably twenty twenty, so I was really hitting

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the podcast circuit very hard. I'd been on a lot

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of different podcasts, and I was starting to kind of

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get a reputation for being the guy that can break

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down complicated concepts in pretty plain language.

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Speaker 3: It's just yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I always that I believe

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is that if you can't explain something basically in like

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an ELI five way, then you probably don't really fully

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understand it. So that's something I've always tried to do,

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really to test my own knowledge and also to be

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able to communicate it is is to be able to

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explain it in you know, just plain language. So that's

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what I tried to do on podcasts, breaking down all

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kinds of things from you know, very alien ideas from

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or the friend enemy distinction or throneness or all of

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that stuff. There's a number of concepts in this book.

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little pamphlet thing, you know, like a couple of paragraphs

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for a bunch of different ideas, like big brain ideas

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in our thing that we could just give to guys

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short thing or whatever, you know, fifty pages and it

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can kind of serve as a little ideological introduction manual

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for people, and I thought, oh, that's a great idea.

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to myself, I'm sure this has been done before. So

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really surprising. So I took this idea and I squirreled

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it away and I started making First of all, I

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started making a list of, well, what concepts would I

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want to talk about? And, as with anything, what began

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let's make them each one page long. That kind of

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grew in scope to what the book is has eventually become,

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which is forty five separate concepts, one hundred thousand words.

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so there are three sections in the book, and the

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book the first section is what I call the ten

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explains radical right wing concepts. But it does so in

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a way that you can basically give it to somebody

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who's pretty much uninitiated. And I wouldn't give it to

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a Keith Olberman or a Rachel Maddow. I think that

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it would just they light their hair on fire. But

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if you give it to an intelligent layman, somebody who

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last five or six years, and is not happy with it.

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sick of all of the like you know, liberal fetching

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over Trump and all that stuff. If you give it

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to that person, it pretty much will get them to

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the ten step programs, Like you're in alcoholics anonymous or something,

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and you have to be weaned off of this like

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poisonous ideology that we call liberalism. So it starts basically

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from just noticing that in Trump's first term that even

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though he was ostensibly the boss, even though he was

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the executive, he wasn't able to really do anything, and

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it kind of takes that and it explains what we

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call the state of exception, one of these really actually

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quite deep concepts. Sorry, it explains that in light of

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his failure, basically, and it takes that, and then it

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builds up from there over the next nine chapters after

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into basically explaining what liberalism truly is, which is I

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mean the TLDR is that liberalism is the most extreme

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ideology that's ever existed in the history.

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Speaker 2: It is it's fundamentally a form of amnesia, and even

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more fundamentally than that, it's not even an ideology. It's

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really more of a symptom of the end of a society.

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where Jordan Peterson is at to that point over the

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course of ten chapters. So it's pretty ambitious. That's the

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first section. The next section after that explains a number

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of illiberal concepts. So it's taking things that you know,

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things like the progressive stack, physiognomy, and a number of

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other things, very often ideas that have been coined by

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people who are alive today, and it just basically, you know,

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it lays out those concepts so that you can kind

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of understand what people are talking about in our sphere.

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Speaker 3: Of the book. It makes up the book.

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Speaker 2: The book is what I call the Big Ideas, So

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it chronologically starts from the ancient world and it uses

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one like absolutely epical thinker for each chapter to illustrate

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a concept. So one of them, it begins with Homer

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and the concept of eucophilia, which is basically the love

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of home.

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Speaker 3: It's the opposite of well, it's.

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Speaker 2: What liberals call xenophobia, but like framed in a way

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that's like it's positive and it's kind of like the

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foundation of everything. So it starts from Homer and explaining

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zenophilia in the context of the Odyssey, and it moves

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through to like another Again, it's quite a few different chapters.

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the Bible. We do a chapter on Confucius and the

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rectification of names and so on and so forth, all

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the way to the contemporary era. I think the last

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chapter is on Alistair McIntyre and his book after Virtue,

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where we explained the epistemic dependence of rationality on tradition.

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it is, of course an overview of these concepts. But

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in this overview, I try to pack in a lot

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of really sort of really good aphorisms and really deep

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interpretations of these ideas that just kind of give you

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a little bite that you can then follow in a

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different direction.

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Speaker 3: And all that.

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Speaker 2: There's a big bibliography, lots of you know, once you've

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with it. So that's kind of as succinct as I'm

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able to give an overview what the book is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and that was a good description when I told

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you today, I went through the ten step program and

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I saw the first four as like one block where

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you're basically you can you can look at the first

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four state of exception, deep, state of cathedral, high low, middle,

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high low versus middle, and you can explain. And I thought,

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you used perfect. Why wasn't Trump in power the last

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time that he was when he was president? Is well,

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I mean he didn't. Somebody makes decides the exception and

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he didn't do it, and then you just went through

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government works. And as I'm as I'm reading this, I'm

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substack article, and you explain it perfectly. I think that

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the first thing I thought was someone who doesn't really know,

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someone who maybe maybe saw a you know, got a

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glimpse of about in video on YouTube, could pick this

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up and really start to start down the path. You

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think that's you think I got that right?

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your take on it, because that means that I've succeeded. Basically, Yes,

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it starts from just noticing that Trump failed and that

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he wasn't really in power, although on paper he was,

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and it sort of takes that and it then explains

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how how the government really works and how power actually operates.

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sovereign is the one who decides on the exception. That's

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the famous formulation by Carl Schmidt, but obviously that wasn't

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Trump so Trump wasn't the sovereign. Okay, so what was

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the sovereign? Well, the next chapter is the deep State,

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of basic overview of what a deep state is and

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the fact that the deep states have existed in every

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society going back to the ancient world. But I don't

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spend too much time sketching out what it is because

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a nutshell means that like what the cathedral is basically

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the continuum between the public and private sphere. It's the

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idea that there is no real public private distinction. So

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the deep state isn't just the government. The deep state

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is also Twitter, well not anymore, but it was Twitter.

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the Open Society, the Foundations, you know, it's NGO's big

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tech universities and.

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

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government as sort of bleeding into the private sphere. There's

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a gray area between those those those different things. You

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will understand the cathedral and then the next chapter after that,

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because I mean, this is all great, but it doesn't

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explain how this soft power gets translated into hard power,

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and that is reserved for the fourth chapter, which is

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the high, low versus middle concept of how power works.

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everything outside of government that also wields power. We could

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think of things like prominent individuals in the ancient world, clans,

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you know, the unions, the church, all that stuff isn't

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you know, possible that it could be in tension with

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the government and want to get free of the government

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is basically deputized to keep the middle in check. So

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the government deputizes an underclass to keep things like, you know,

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to keep the church down, to keep unions in check,

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to keep prominent people like Elon Musk and Donald Trump

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in Czech things like that. It's kind of the reverse

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of the Meme view of history, where you know, the

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elites of all stripes basically stomp all over the little people.

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in twenty twenty were able to actually operate, where basically

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what you had was the deep state in concert with

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the cathedral deputizing an underclass of you know, whether it's

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minorities or sexual minorities or you know, women and things like,

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people who are ostensibly have little power in society. It

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basically takes those people and it kind of activates them

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to work in the service of its own power. So

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that's kind of how the high Low versus Middle operates. Now,

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black pilling. So the first it just explains, and this

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is necessary, right, You're if you're going to do radical surgery,

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it's going to hurt a little bit. So this is

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what we kind of have to do for the first

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couple of chapters. The next chapter after that, there's a

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little bit of a term and it goes to no

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bless obleege. So this is an idea basically that the

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term means nobility obligates, and this is something that liberalism denies.

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of allergic to power, at least open power. And so

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this chapter on no bless Obleege explains how a functional

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society works. How does a society that's not, you know,

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dilapidated and falling apart and all of that, how does

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that work? While it works on the principle of no

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bless oblief. So there's a bit of a turn there,

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and the next several chapters kind of explain in positive terms,

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like what a real society actually looks like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me get to that, because there's a couple

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there that well, there's one there that I had to

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go back and read over. But uh, one that I

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really wanted to go over is because I'm reading and

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are you familiar with's book The Demon and Democracy? Have

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you ever heard of it?

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I read it again. It's a Polish. Polish guy just

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basically shows how democracy and communism are basically the same,

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how they operate in the same exact way, and his

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his thoughts on it. There's a lot of indoxa in there,

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So why don't you talk about that, because that's I

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think people will look at that, that term and be like, well,

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what is that? And then they'll look at it and

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it's because it's something will never going to learn under liberalism.

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It'll be it might be something they have to read

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a couple of times. So can you talk a little

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bit about that?

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Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In this book there are a few kind of you know,

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fifty cent terms. There's some pretty big words here to

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describe things that we all understand, and a lot of

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them are Greek, so this is one of them. And

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doxa are it's a concept that comes out of a

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book by Aristotle called Topics. Actually it's in a few

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of his books. But so what in doxa are our

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opinions or starting points for reasoning that are? You know,

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they're either held by reputable people or they're kind of

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handed down by the tradition. They're basically the the root assumptions,

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the bedrock assumptions, the axioms that we begin from. And

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the question is how do we get those? How do

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we get these assumptions? Because what liberalism tells us, Because

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I mean, I've gave some pretty uncharitable interpretations of what

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liberalism is a bit earlier, but to be a little

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more charitable to it, what liberalism is is it's the

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idea that the abstract individual, reasoning from his own premises

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is the epistemic authority. Right, So the epistemic authority is

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not a book that we've inherited from time out of mind.

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It's not a tradition that's been handed down through the

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ages or anything like that. It's the brilliant individual that

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sort of begins from his own self generated premises and

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then is able to kind of move the world and

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change the world on that basis. So you would think

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of somebody like a Newton, or a Kant or a Darwin,

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although Darwin's an interesting case that we might get to later.

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Speaker 3: All of these rational.

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Speaker 2: Individuals are, you know, they're they're the epistemic authority. And

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the idea behind liberalism is that each of us individually

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is able to evaluate the deepest truths by simply considering

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them in light of our own reason. So that's liberalism.

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Put as charitably as I possibly can. What in DOXA

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are basically is as I said, they're those assumptions, but

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they're not assumptions that you generated yourself. They are the

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assumptions that are arrived at through long intergenerational experience. So

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you your reasoning is only as good as your premisses. Right,

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If you begin from false premisses, your reasoning is not

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going to be valid, no matter how sound it is.

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but because the premisses don't actually attached to anything real,

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your reasoning is going to be flawed. So the question

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then becomes, how do you get these premises? Well, by definition,

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an axiom is not rational, right, because it's not it

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doesn't actually it's not justified by anything. It's pre rational.

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posited with no further justification. So there's a kind of

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there's a kind of problem with the rational individual reasoning

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from his own premisses because then you have to basically say, okay, well,

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you know each of us individually as the highest epistemic authority.

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Does this really seem like a solid way to begin,

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as opposed to let's just say the things that have

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worked for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. And

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of course, when you sort of explain it clearly like this,

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it's very it's obvious that the premises that have whethered

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the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune are the place

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to begin. So where do we get these? And we

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basically get them from tradition and the whole INDOXA chapter

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is me kind of explaining.

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Speaker 3: Why it is that the.

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Speaker 2: Oldest and the most solid and the most established, like

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the most long established axioms are the ones that we

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want to go go with. And I give the analogy

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of the vampire. So the reason why the vampire is

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scary isn't just because he's going.

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Speaker 3: To suck your blood. It's because he's old.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, It's because he's been there forever. It's because

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he has just sat in his castle for centuries and

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centuries and just like all he does is read and

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acquire knowledge. And basically, if you're somebody who believes in

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like rationality and science and everything like that. I mean,

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all science really is is it's an intergenerational empiricism. It

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is I mean, science is empirical in its very nature,

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and that empiricism just means drawn from experience. What science

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does is it takes you know, empirical data and it

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integrates them into a framework that then explains the world.

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But it does so in a way that it passes

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that down over time. So Newton has the idea, well,

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then he comes to understand that that's not the case,

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and he comes over with his laws. He believes that

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everything's made of corpuscles, all this stuff, and you know,

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because that explains reality better than the alternatives, that becomes

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the stand. But then over time we realize that there

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are some things that Newton can't account for. Then relativistic

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physics comes in and so on. Like this whole process

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is basically like taking an empirical like a set of

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data and interpretations that explain that data, and then handing

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it down to the next generation. It gets refined over time. Basically,

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what I'm saying is that science is a tradition, and

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tradition is really the paradigm for epistemic authority. It's not

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the rational individual, it's actually the tradition. So in DOXA

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are really the hard one starting points, those axiomatic beginnings

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that are clawed out of the muck that you get

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basically from long, hard, cruel and bitter experience, and what

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liberalism wants to do and rationality and modernity sort of

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in general, it just wants to roll all that away

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every generation, which is exactly the opposite of what we

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should be doing. So basically in DOXA chapter isn't justification

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of tradition but using an Aristotelian term.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you had mentioned Darwin and when I saw this,

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when I read the title of the chapter, I was like, Okay,

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this should be interesting. But the way you approach this

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is different. You want to give now one of the

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reasons I have no problem. I think I don't have

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a problem asking you. Do you get the idea that

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this book is going to be one of those books

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that a lot of people buy and give to people.

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Speaker 3: I hope, so, yeah, it's kind of designed for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a feeling that this book is going

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to be like one of those books that people are

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going to buy like ten at a time and be

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like handing them out and telling people. Don't pay attention

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to the fact that it's four hundred it's over four

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hundred pages. You can read it in bite sized chunks,

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and you know, especially the ten step program, which is

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just so concise and so perfect without a side Darwin,

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talk a little bit about what you're writing, what your

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thoughts are of mentioning Darwin at this point after in DAXA.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so.

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Speaker 2: This is the chapter that follows the one that I've

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just explained. So from the end of that sort of

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like that four chapter run of like negative I don't

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want to say negative negativity, but it's like a negative

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vision of the world. It's like, this is how the

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world works, and it's terrible and we can do better.

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And then there's a little there's a turn with the

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noblesse Oblige chapter. Over several chapters, we kind of get

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to understanding that tradition is actually the way that things

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need to work, and in fact it's it's it's the

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way that things always do work. It's just a matter

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of like we can deny it and then just be

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like silly and way off track, or we can accept

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it and then we can actually get come to grips

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with the world. So what this chapter on Darwin explains

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is basically that what traditions are is a they can

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be traditions can be understood in the context of natural selection.

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So what traditions are fundamentally is natural selection having operated

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on institutions and beliefs, and as I sort of alluded to,

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or as I mentioned in the explanation before, traditions have

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weathered the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. So these

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are things that have been sort of honed in the

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crucible of like hard and cruel and bitter experience. They

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are something that we should take very seriously and be

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very very reticent to abandon, even when they seem like

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they're doing the wrong thing. Joseph de Maiestra, who is

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one of my favorite writers, gives an example of of

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like dynastic monarchy, so non elective monarchy right where the

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first of all, monarchy is something that most people don't

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take remotely seriously as a political principle today, but the

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idea that monarchy is something that can be inherited, like

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that the kingship can be inherited is just it's so

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outside of anything that we would ever believe in today

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that it's almost like ridiculous. It's like a punchline. You know,

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when Jordan Peterson's yelling about merit, he's explaining he's basically

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saying that he's saying the opposite of this, right, But

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the thing is we should step back for a second

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and just look at the situation from an objective perspective.

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The fact is that this form of monarchy, as ridiculous

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as it seems, as much as it doesn't comport with reason,

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has built the world. It really has built the foundation

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of everything up until the day before yesterday, And so

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we should probably be a little bit humble because really

476
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just being like remotely right wing in your orientation is

477
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about it's really about epistemic humility. What we need to

478
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do is take a step back and say.

479
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Speaker 3: Well, why is that?

480
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: And you know, but before we even arrive at a

481
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justification of it, it's important just to notice that it

482
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,839
has built everything. So maybe there's something that tradition knows

483
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,200
that we don't. Maybe there's something there that is actually

484
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:52,680
it's so deep and so difficult to understand that it's

485
00:31:53,119 --> 00:32:00,519
kind of inaccessible to our reason. So what these you know,

486
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,039
ideas are, what traditions are, is something that is that

487
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,039
natural selection has basically operated on for a long time

488
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and is selected for because it's adaptive.

489
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Speaker 3: Right.

490
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Speaker 2: Another way we could putt put it is that we

491
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have the slow organic growth of traditional folk ways. And

492
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,400
another thing that Maestra says is that these organic folk ways,

493
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:29,400
the fact that they have grown up slowly over time,

494
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,279
that they've evolved over time, is actually a reason why

495
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:39,839
we should take them seriously. Because you know, something like

496
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,839
the French Constitution of seventeen ninety one, right, which is

497
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:50,119
after the French Revolution, this constitution that was supposed to

498
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,680
be written across the face of reality for all time

499
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:59,279
with a great trumpeting fourth of praise and long deliberations,

500
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,319
longer revisions and so on and so forth. This Constitution

501
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,799
of seventeen ninety one, which was a conscious attempt to

502
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:14,079
start from scratch, This constitution, which is, you know, this

503
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:19,319
epical shift that was supposed to last forever, only lasted

504
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:23,200
a year. And we've had like fifteen of these things,

505
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,839
fifteen French constitutions since then. So maybe the idea that

506
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,240
we should just like dig everything out and start from scratch.

507
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:34,200
Maybe we should have a little bit of humility and

508
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,759
say that's probably the wrong approach. And what Meestra gives

509
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:41,839
us in the Work of Circumstances, which is his term,

510
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,640
is the opposite, basically that the slow organic growth of

511
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:54,839
institutions over time is evidence of its being solid. Basically, Maestra,

512
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,519
at the time he counter revolutionary, in the wake of

513
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:02,519
the French Revolution, meister really really did not have any

514
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:07,319
respect for these French constitutions. He thought that the English

515
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:11,880
Constitution was the bee's knees. He was really like, he

516
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:17,079
thought that that was awesome because the English Constitution, unlike

517
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:21,000
say the American Constitution, doesn't have a set of framers,

518
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,599
it doesn't have somebody who wrote it, because it's so

519
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,280
old that it is just organically evolved over time in

520
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,280
a way that comports with the folk soul of the English.

521
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,719
It fits them like a glove because it's grown up

522
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,760
organically over time. And what I explained in this chapter

523
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,599
is first of all, that that can be reconciled with

524
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,679
Darwinism or natural selection. As I mentioned, I've explained what

525
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,199
this is the Work of Circumstances, and I also explained

526
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,320
later in the chapter that this comports very nicely with

527
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:58,719
ideas of divine law. So whether that's Pagan divine law,

528
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,880
the Roman idea of or even the Vedic idea of rita,

529
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,960
or the Christian idea of providence, that this is basically

530
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:12,280
the will of God made manifest in the world by

531
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:19,239
slow organic growth, where God uses the people who write

532
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,000
the law or who speak forth. You know, the tradition,

533
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:28,400
God basically uses them as circumstances. The men themselves don't

534
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,159
write the laws. The men themselves are circumstances employed by

535
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:39,559
the divine to write the laws. So this is this

536
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:41,920
chapter is probably the one I think that people are

537
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,480
going to be the least familiar with the concept. But

538
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:48,719
I think because there hasn't really been a word for

539
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,119
it's something that's kind of been under the surface in

540
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:55,840
the radical right for a long time. But I think

541
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,320
this is basically what people mean when they say that,

542
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:03,639
you know, we need to have an organic society, we

543
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,599
need to have traditional folk ways that you know, what

544
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,400
is ancestral to us is right for us. I think

545
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,039
what they're basically saying is a comb that could be

546
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:18,360
filtered through a Darwinian lens. A traditionalist lens or a

547
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,760
divine law lens. And that's really what this chapter is about.

548
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the word that I was that kept coming

549
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,440
into my mind was organic when when I was reading it.

550
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:38,639
All Right, so we talked about liberalism, and so part

551
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:44,000
two is called illiberal concepts. And then when you look

552
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,360
at the titles, some of those people may automatically go, well,

553
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,880
wait a minute, these look like things that are a

554
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,960
part of liberalism. Now, so let me let me pick

555
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,159
one out. You have the proposition nation. How is the

556
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:01,880
proposition and illiberal concept?

557
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 3: Right?

558
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: Okay, So the proposition nation is the idea that what's

559
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,480
the best way? How can I put this?

560
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 3: Okay?

561
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: So the proposition nation is the idea that membership as

562
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,159
a part of the nation. So to be let's just

563
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:26,400
say American is to hold a set of beliefs, right,

564
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,440
is to affirm a set of propositions. Now, of course

565
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,880
that in itself is completely liberal, there's nothing illiberal about it.

566
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,760
But to understand it clearly is basically to understand it

567
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:47,960
it's falsehood. So I give an example in this chapter

568
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,639
where there's like an exchange between Enoch Powell and Margaret Thatcher,

569
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:59,000
which is a pretty good uh, a pretty good summary

570
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:04,639
or crystallization of a confrontation between an illiberal and a liberal.

571
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:11,039
So what happens in this exchange between Powell and Thatcher

572
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:18,679
is that there's a disagreement on whether one owes a

573
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:26,719
loyalty to values or ideals or to one's people. And

574
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,599
what Powell says is he says, I would fight for

575
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:33,360
England even if it was communist, and Margaret Thatcher it

576
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,800
was just like her brain through a divide by zero exception,

577
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:41,960
it didn't understand, like it could not actually grasp this concept.

578
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:47,079
And she says that's nonsense. If I send British troops

579
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,519
overseas to fight, it's going to be for our values.

580
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,559
And Powell says, values can't be fought for, they can't

581
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:59,039
be destroyed. They are anything like that. They exist outside

582
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:03,760
of time and space. And what you're really fighting for

583
00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:08,079
is your people. And so this is a great this

584
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,400
is this is a great crystallization of the difference between

585
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,519
a liberal and an illiberal. So the liberal will at

586
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:19,199
the end of the day fight for ideology and the

587
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,239
illiberal will, at the end of the day fight for

588
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:27,840
something concrete and embodied their own folk. It's it's as

589
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,719
though I mean Thatcher had basically just been confronted by

590
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,360
the difference between American republicanism, which is what she's all about,

591
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:44,320
and English conservatism or Toryism. So propositional identity is something

592
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,599
that is like when you when you understand what it is,

593
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:54,199
clearly it is not a good thing. It's basically something

594
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:57,159
that can't hold your society together. And in some ways

595
00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:01,000
this is probably the point, because of course the sovereign,

596
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:05,400
when it's malignant, wants to keep the country weak so

597
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,440
it can continue to rule over it, and wants to

598
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,320
keep people divided so that they can't challenge its authority.

599
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And this is what happens. When your identity is a

600
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set of propositions you can't be argued out of. I mean,

601
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:23,840
you can be argued out of any propositional identity in theory.

602
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:28,840
I mean, some people just attach themselves to an ideology

603
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,920
and never budge. But the fact is that on average,

604
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,679
and this is what we care about. We don't really

605
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:37,199
care about exceptions. It is part of another chapter. We

606
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,719
care about what happens on average, which is why stereotypes work.

607
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But on average people who their whole identity is wrapped

608
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,800
up in let's just say I'm a conservative, or I

609
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,599
believe in freedom of speech, or I believe in this

610
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:56,119
and that and this and that, like I believe. If

611
00:40:56,159 --> 00:41:00,920
your identity begins with I believe, then it's something that

612
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,199
you can be argued out of. And that's fundamentally a

613
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:10,519
weak identity. Nobody will ever argue you out of. You

614
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:13,199
know who your mother and father are, or what color

615
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,000
your skin is.

616
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,079
Speaker 3: That is a strong identity.

617
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:22,199
Speaker 2: And also the proposition nation itself, so is like the

618
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,079
idea that our countries are just like a set of

619
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:27,960
values that are to be affirmed and nothing else. That

620
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:30,440
no matter who you are, like who you were born to,

621
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:34,400
all your throneness, the idea that that doesn't matter at all.

622
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,239
That matters is belief is kind of a halfway house

623
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,719
to globalism. So there is a very very large contingent

624
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,000
of people on the supposedly on the right who are

625
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,880
basically civic nationalists. This is really what civic nationalism is,

626
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:56,239
is this propositional identity, which is not really nationalism at all.

627
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,599
It's just sort of incipient globalism. It's sort of like

628
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:06,599
an intermediate stage on the way to globalism because you know,

629
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:14,280
take for example, the propositional identity that is America. Right,

630
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,440
If you ask a civic nationalist what the actual beliefs

631
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:22,000
are that America represents, he's pretty much just going to

632
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,199
give you the tenets of liberalism. You know, he might

633
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:27,800
he might say something like, you know, it's about individualism,

634
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:34,679
limited government, popular sovereignty, all these different things, right, and

635
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,079
then ask the same not the same person, but ask

636
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,800
a person from Britain or a person from Canada, or

637
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:45,960
a person from South Korea, for example, what what the

638
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,079
propositions are that underlie their societies, And it's still going

639
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,559
to be liberalism, it'll just be in It won't be

640
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:59,960
distinguishable that these propositional countries are indistinguishable from each other.

641
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,760
So at that point, if you have basically an identical

642
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,000
list between these different countries of what they're about, then

643
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:10,920
I mean the globalist is just going to turn around

644
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,119
at that point and say, well, why do we have

645
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,800
different countries? And he's going to be right to do that,

646
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,960
at least beginning from right from the perspective of starting

647
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,519
from that assumption. So there is really no principled way

648
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:29,320
to defend countries at all if they're propositional. So basically

649
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,039
you are if your identity is affirming a set of propositions.

650
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:39,559
You kind of have to be globalist, so the proposition

651
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,440
nation turns out to actually be a contradiction. Civic nationalism

652
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:48,679
is not nationalism. It's just globalism that hasn't got there yet.

653
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,760
So this is the reason why I put this chapter

654
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,360
in here, and why I frame it as an illiberal

655
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,199
concept because if it's understood clearly, it actually spells the

656
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,400
end of nationalism. So it's a fake kind of nationalism,

657
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:06,199
and it's important that we hold it up.

658
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: For what it is.

659
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: There's another one in here. Another term that a lot

660
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:14,719
I like to throw it around, a lot of people

661
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,000
like to throw it around, is under a liberal concepts

662
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:23,519
is a narco tyranny. And I'm sure we have there

663
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:27,480
are billionaires on Twitter who are talking about a narco tyranny.

664
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:30,280
So it's a concept that more and more people are

665
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,159
getting getting are familiar with now, So how do you

666
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,440
how do you label that under liberal concepts?

667
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,079
Speaker 2: So anarcho tyranny is a term that was coined by

668
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:45,159
Sam Francis, which kind of gives it some illiberal bona

669
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:49,039
fides to start with. But it's a term that I

670
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,039
actually I thought was pretty stupid when I first heard it,

671
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,440
because I thought it was supposed to be basically like

672
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,159
an actual ideology, like anarcho communism or anarcho capitalism or

673
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:03,920
something like that. But it's obviously just a brute contradiction, right,

674
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,639
And the way that, the way that Sam Francis explains

675
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:12,519
it is that it is both anarchy, you know, the

676
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:16,719
failure of the state to enforce laws or the if

677
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,639
not the failure maybe the abnegation of its responsibility, and

678
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:27,039
also tyranny, which is the enforcement of laws unjustly or oppressively.

679
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,159
So that seems kind of weird. What kind of a

680
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,880
you know, what kind of a Hegelian move can you

681
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:41,920
make to reconcile those those two. But basically, anarcho tyranny

682
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:46,559
is about punishing the innocent and protecting the guilty, right,

683
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:52,519
It's where you get anarchy. So the government institutes anarchy

684
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,559
when it's supposed to, where it's supposed to keep order

685
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,039
and punish criminals and so on and so forth. But

686
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:06,440
it's also tyranny, so you know, government overreach basically where

687
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,760
it's supposed to leave people the hell alone. You know,

688
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,480
it's the synthesis of those two things. It's punishing things

689
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,400
that are normal and right, like going to church, and

690
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:22,079
you know, believing in all of these you know, old

691
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:27,920
and outdated concepts like things like patriarchy, ethnocentrism. It's cracking

692
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,559
down on all these things tyrannically, but it's also just

693
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:35,400
letting criminals like run through the street. Thomas Carlisle had

694
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,920
a really good term for this. He called it anarchy

695
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,000
plus a street constable. And that's a great way of

696
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:46,679
framing anarcho tyranny. It's it's both negligence on the one

697
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,719
hand and malice on the other. It's like the worst

698
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,639
of both worlds. So I give a lot of examples

699
00:46:52,639 --> 00:47:00,760
of anarcho tyranny in this chapter, one of them being.

700
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:03,119
Speaker 3: Sorry, go ahead.

701
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,679
Speaker 1: Oh no, I was gonna interrupt, but no, please go.

702
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:09,559
Speaker 3: On, okay.

703
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:13,559
Speaker 2: So one example that I give because I'm a Canadian

704
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,639
is the introduction of legislation by the Liberal government in

705
00:47:18,639 --> 00:47:23,960
twenty twenty one where criticism of Muslims and homosexuals would

706
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,239
earn one a twenty thousand dollars fine at the same time.

707
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:31,440
And I think pretty much like in a space of

708
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:38,199
a month or so, there was a an academic in

709
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,480
a university in Canada that called for the end of whiteness,

710
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:43,800
and we all know what that means. It's not like

711
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:45,920
the end of an abstraction. It means the end of

712
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,559
white people. So on the one hand, you have people

713
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:53,800
it's impossible to criticize people who are in your country

714
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,280
because they were taking advantage of the negligence of the government.

715
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,840
But on the other hand, it's illegal also to defend

716
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:09,679
the native stock of your country because it's in the

717
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,639
process of being erased. So that's that's a good example

718
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:18,320
of anarchotyranny. It's again punishing the innocent and protecting the guilty.

719
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,320
Another good example is the Sackler family right with Purdue Pharma,

720
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:28,119
who basically created the opioid crisis that we all understand.

721
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: Don't you really need to go into that. Who were.

722
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: You know, they were prosecuted, but they were also later

723
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,199
given legal immunity to lawsuits. So they're basically like prosecuted

724
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:47,880
and convicted or whatever, and they were given legal immunity

725
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,199
because of of course they had been convicted already. But

726
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:57,719
at the same time they were allowed to declare bankruptcy

727
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,000
and before they did that, they with through ten billion

728
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:04,400
dollars from the company so none of these people individually

729
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,079
personally had to declare bankruptcy or lose any money. It

730
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:10,559
was just a company that was liquidated and they all

731
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:14,360
individually got off basically scot free. So that's another example

732
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,719
of anarchotyranny. I give lots and lots of them. There's

733
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,440
probably about like five or six different ones like that.

734
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 3: That I give.

735
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:25,159
Speaker 2: But there's lots of other ways that anarcotyranny works as well.

736
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,559
One of them is by having a and you know, Pete,

737
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,760
you and I are both sort of ex libertarians, and

738
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,880
this is one where we kind of got to give

739
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,159
libertarians at least a little nod here. One of the

740
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:42,599
most effective ways that anarco tyranny works is by having

741
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:51,360
a massive, complex network of vague, unclear, contradictory, and obscure

742
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:57,360
like laws and regulations. So basically, you know what happens

743
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:01,559
is that you were always guilt of something, no matter

744
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,679
what you do. As soon as you step out your door,

745
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,039
there's some sort of law that you violated, and the state,

746
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:14,599
basically because of because this massive Kafka esque network of laws,

747
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,039
the state has to choose which ones to enforce, and

748
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:21,199
of course that choice is made not on the basis

749
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:24,639
of reason or fairness or justice. It's made on the

750
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:28,960
basis of like political expediency. So you think back to

751
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,920
the I think it was in about twenty twenty twelve

752
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:35,880
or something like that, where the IRS it came to

753
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,719
light that the IRS had just like completely targeted conservative

754
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,239
and right wing groups and left liberal groups alone. That's

755
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,800
another example of anarchotyranny is basically using the law in

756
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,320
that way.

757
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,199
Speaker 3: It's like the haphazard.

758
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 2: Application of law for political reasons. Anyway, this whole chapter

759
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,880
basically is framed in the context of the Floyd riots

760
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,119
of twenty twenty, when the government basically turned a blind

761
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:07,400
eye to not only like lighting everything on fire, which

762
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,920
is bad enough, but doing that at a time when

763
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:17,360
supposedly there was this like civilization ending pandemic happening. They

764
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,079
basically said, Okay, normal people, you've got to stay in

765
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:22,880
your house because there's this big pandemic. You've got to

766
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,320
wear the mask, you've got to toe the line, you've

767
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,400
got to bend the knee and kiss the ring. But

768
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,559
all of these anti fut protesters, well, they're allowed to

769
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:34,119
run rampant on the streets. We're allowed to have these

770
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:39,840
huge protests with tens of thousands of people, because actually

771
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,239
it's not really COVID that's the health emergency. Racism is

772
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,840
the health emergency. So we got to let these people

773
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,400
run free, light everything on fire, smash all your windows,

774
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,000
destroy your businesses, overturn the election, all that stuff. We

775
00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:59,440
got to let that happen because we basically just have

776
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:05,280
political ends to serve. So antarcotyranny was the reason why

777
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,679
this term has started to become it has currency today

778
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,519
is really because of that situation with the George Floyd riots.

779
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:17,199
Everybody saw it. It was the first time that it

780
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,320
was completely out in the open and just undisguised anarchotyranny.

781
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,519
So now you've got people on Twitter talking about it

782
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:27,519
because thankfully Elon Musk has purchased it, and now there's

783
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,159
at least one place that you can say a few things.

784
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,679
So antarcotyranny is an illiberal concept because it basically just

785
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,679
explains how liberalism is totally negligent in its application.

786
00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:41,599
Speaker 3: Of the law.

787
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: All right, So in the first two sections you pretty

788
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,119
much tear down liberalism.

789
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 3: Show how.

790
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: Show how it operates, and then show the concepts that

791
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:01,400
are byproducts of it. Basically and then once you once

792
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,599
you figure this all out, it's like, okay, so what

793
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,760
are the answers? And Part three is called the big Ideas?

794
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,079
And I'm just going to pick one out for the

795
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:14,159
for the sake of time here and some that something

796
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:16,320
that might jump out at someone who's looking at the

797
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,800
scanning through the table of contents and just smack them

798
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,199
right in the face. Regna Redbeard's Might is Right?

799
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,639
Speaker 2: This one. I like this chapter. I like this chapter

800
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:33,559
because it's actually pretty nuanced. I mean, all the chapters,

801
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,039
I mean, none of them are really like not nuanced,

802
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:44,360
but this one, especially because might is right seems like

803
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:51,159
the most monstrous idea imaginable to anybody, including us. Right,

804
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,639
and we're of course accused of having a Mite is

805
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,679
right ideology, of stomping all over the week and everything

806
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,000
like that. The radical ride is supposedly a boots stamping

807
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:07,199
on a face forever, et cetera, et cetera. Right, But

808
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,239
of course we don't believe that might is right because

809
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,840
that means that basically, what might is right means is

810
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,519
that whatever it is that's that has won deserves to win,

811
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:23,920
which makes kind of morality impossible, you know what I mean?

812
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:31,000
If the like uber Mensch basically stands beyond good and evil?

813
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,800
Then how is it like isn't Doesn't that just mean

814
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,719
that like we're just making stuff up, you know what

815
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,039
I mean? Like that there are no values beyond the individual.

816
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:45,119
This seems to be completely at odds. Excuse me, completely

817
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:48,039
at odds with what we said before about tradition and

818
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:51,199
everything like that. But when you think about it a

819
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,480
little more deeply, might is right? Actually?

820
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:54,119
Speaker 3: Has?

821
00:54:55,559 --> 00:55:00,639
Speaker 2: It's not dismissed so easily, I guess, because first of all,

822
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:07,199
you at least have to have a morality, has to

823
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,760
have force in order to be moral at all, because

824
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:14,000
what would a morality look like that in principle even

825
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,679
can't be enforced. This is something that was mentioned in

826
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:21,639
that chapter on Darwin, is that for a thing to

827
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,519
be good, it has to exist, and for a thing

828
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,760
to exist, it has to be strong in the first place,

829
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:37,199
right Ragnar Redbeard who is this anonymous author? Basically this

830
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:42,679
book is quite interesting. It's a very poetical exposition of

831
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,400
the idea that the strong should.

832
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 3: Rule over the week.

833
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:52,199
Speaker 2: And this is something that seems completely at odds with

834
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,199
all morality. It seems like a Nietzschean Ubermensch thing that's

835
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,920
just like completely overturns, like you know, any additional ideas

836
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,079
of morality. But if we actually look at traditions, if

837
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,840
we look at the actual traditions that are embodied in reality,

838
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,360
we do see this. We do see some echoes of

839
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,159
the idea that strength is moral. For example, one of

840
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:18,960
the chapters that I go into earlier in that section

841
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,840
is on the Book of Job. Excuse me, The Book

842
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,440
of Job is my favorite book in the Bible by

843
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,440
a long shot. I really like this because it tries

844
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,800
to grapple with the problem of theodicy, which is the

845
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,519
problem of evil. It tries to grapple with that in

846
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,119
a way that is the most convincing out of any

847
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:44,719
other solution that I've seen given that's typically given to

848
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,840
the problem problem of evil being basically that you know,

849
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:54,159
if God is both is omnipotent, omniscient, and all good,

850
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,880
then why is there evil in the world. This is

851
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:01,559
a hard question for especially for like a monotheistic faith.

852
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:04,800
But I think the Book of Job gives a convincing answer,

853
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:11,320
and that answer basically is sit down, stop asking questions.

854
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,000
Where were you when I built the foundations of the world,

855
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,000
which is kind of a crazy thing to say, like

856
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:21,800
it's it's almost a non answer. But when Job so,

857
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,039
we're most most people are familiar with the Book of Job.

858
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 3: There's a.

859
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 2: Pious man by the name of Job who is struck

860
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:38,280
down unfairly apparently by you know, basically, it's a wager

861
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:43,360
between God and the devil or the adversary. Uh, it's

862
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:48,360
a wager between God and another divine intelligence or something

863
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,599
like that, where the adversary basically says, look at this

864
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:57,480
man who's really pious. Do you think he would still

865
00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:00,760
be pious if you if you didn't reward him? And

866
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,960
they sort of enter into a wager. God punishes Job

867
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:10,199
until Job curses him, and then Job basically says, God,

868
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:13,440
why are you doing this? This is totally unjust. And then,

869
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:19,639
in a very interesting answer, what Job says is he

870
00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:22,480
doesn't give a reason. God doesn't give a reason, He

871
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:26,559
doesn't give a justification. He says, where were you when

872
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:29,199
I laid the foundations of the world, Which is a

873
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,960
very interesting thing because the subtext there is basically, how

874
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:39,239
can you question the ultimate authority? Because it doesn't even

875
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,440
make sense to question the ultimate authority because the ultimate

876
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,800
authority is also your starting point, your end dox on

877
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:52,400
for being able to challenge anything morally. You see what

878
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,599
I mean. It's kind of like taking the government to court.

879
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,679
It doesn't really make sense. So anyway, that's the book

880
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:02,440
of job. I think this is a wonderful illustration of

881
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:06,079
the sort of the knots that you can get tied

882
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:12,880
in with trying to like establish morality outside of the divine.

883
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:19,320
But the subtext there is basically that strength or power

884
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:23,719
or authorship is the sort of basis of moral authority.

885
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,400
The reason why God's will is unquestionable is because God

886
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,679
is the author or the creator of the world. And

887
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,440
now we don't just get this idea in the Old Testament.

888
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:36,039
We also get it among the Greeks as well. There's

889
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:41,239
a famous exchange between the Athenians and a smaller Greek

890
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,719
people called the Millions in the Peloponnesian War. So basically,

891
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,639
the Peloponnesian War was a war between Sparta and Athens

892
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:56,840
for mastery over all of Greece. The Melians were a

893
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,280
they were a colony of Sparta, but they tried to

894
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,360
remain neutral, and of course they ran up against the Athenians,

895
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:08,239
and this neutrality didn't really save them. So as the

896
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:13,559
Athenians were conquering the Melions, they said, basically you get

897
01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:17,280
the famous line, the strong do what they can and

898
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,840
the weeks suffer what they must. So the Melians are

899
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,719
trying to appeal to natural law, They're trying to appeal

900
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,440
to morality and just be like, you know, why are

901
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,000
you conquering us. We've done nothing wrong, And the Athenians

902
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:35,599
say because we can, basically, and the Melians come back

903
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:39,880
and they say, well, you know, you shouldn't. You shouldn't

904
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,760
step all over the idea of natural law because it

905
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,159
might protect you at some stage later. And then the

906
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:53,280
Athenians turn around and say, if you were in our place,

907
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,000
you would do the same thing. So it's like, this

908
01:00:56,159 --> 01:01:00,159
is pretty harsh and hard to understand from a the

909
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:04,800
standpoint of modernity. But when the chips were down, even Athens,

910
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:10,199
which is this cradle of philosophy and humanism and democracy

911
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:13,440
and all these wonderful ideas that the modern world takes

912
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:18,559
for granted, even Athens was happy to revert to a

913
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:22,480
might is right an idea when it comes to war.

914
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:27,320
So speaking of war basically, what might is right? Another

915
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,800
way of putting might is Right is that there is

916
01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:35,320
no what we might call law of nations. So the

917
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,280
law of nations is sort of international law. It's what

918
01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:42,079
people today call the rules based order, the laws of

919
01:01:42,159 --> 01:01:47,280
war and everything like that. What might is right is

920
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,679
saying is there are no laws of war. Basically, there

921
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:55,199
is no higher court than war. And you know, liberalism

922
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,920
tries to dispute this, and it does so very famously

923
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,199
in the aftermath of World War two, right with the

924
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:11,159
Nuremberg trials. But it's kind of ironic that the only

925
01:02:11,199 --> 01:02:13,440
way that liberalism can do that, The only way that

926
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,440
liberalism can say no, there are laws of war and

927
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,039
you have to obey them. The only way that it

928
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:24,039
can do that is by winning a war. You see

929
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:28,159
what I mean. It's really ironic that way. So this

930
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,800
idea of the rule of the stronger or might is

931
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,119
right can be found in ancient times and it can

932
01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:36,800
be found in modern times. I give another example in

933
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,519
this chapter of the Chinese Mandate of Heaven, which is

934
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,280
perhaps the most clear expression of might is right, because

935
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,639
what the Mandate of Heaven is is basically that the

936
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:53,280
ruler who sits on the throne is justified, and you know,

937
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:58,559
his sovereignty is basically is justified by the fact that

938
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:01,800
he is sitting on the throne, on the dragon throne.

939
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,159
So it basically is in some ways kind of the

940
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:10,119
ultimate conservative principle, because what it says is that whoever

941
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:15,320
rules over you is justified in ruling by virtue of

942
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,880
the fact that they are there. So this is kind of,

943
01:03:19,519 --> 01:03:21,119
you know, it kind of gets us back to the

944
01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:24,239
idea that like, well, doesn't this mean that, like you know,

945
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,239
there is no morality apart from force, And you know,

946
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:30,800
for that matter, what good is it to us in

947
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,039
the radical right who are completely out of power?

948
01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: But another interesting thing about the mandate of Heaven is

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that it was it was at once in China, used

951
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to justify the emperor, but on the other hand, it

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was also used to justify rebellion, because of course, if

953
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the rebellion succeeded, that means that the mandate has passed

954
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to the usurper right. So in some ways, it's it's

955
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kind of this like souper dangerous tool or weapon that

956
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can both be like it can be the strongest justification

957
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of tradition and the established order, the status quo, but

958
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it can also be the strongest justification of revolution and

959
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usurpation and everything like that. So it kind of feels like, well,

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maybe we should just put it away. But at the

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end of the day, it's kind of like, I mean,

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all ideologies kind of rest on it, you know what

963
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I mean, when all arguments for wokeness and intersectionality and

964
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third wave feminism and all that, because these are such

965
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:48,800
thin and flimsy ideologies. At the end of the day,

966
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the you know, feminist libtard is going to say, well,

967
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if our ideology is so.

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Speaker 3: Wrong, why did it win right?

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Speaker 2: And you know, there basically is no comeback from the

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classical liberal. And when the classical liberal, you know, of

971
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the let's just say of the nineteenth century, looks at

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Christianity and says all and all Christian arguments like from

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Joseph de Maistre to you know, Louis Bounald to Ludwig

974
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von Holler, all of these counter revolutionaries, all these you know,

975
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:34,039
counter enlightenment thinkers were just had so much better arguments

976
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:35,920
than any liberal, which is to kind of make them

977
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seem like children. And by comparison, at the end of

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the day, the classical liberal would then turn around and say, well,

979
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,960
if Christianity was so great, why did we defeat it?

980
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And this can go back further and further and further

981
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,079
and further every revolution. At the end of the day,

982
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,480
will you know, when it's really pressed, it will fly

983
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:04,239
to this idea that if our thing wasn't so good,

984
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:08,840
why did it win. So the chapter doesn't really come

985
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,880
down and say might is right is a good thing

986
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:13,679
or might as right.

987
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Speaker 3: As a bad thing.

988
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Speaker 2: It just says at the end of it that these

989
01:06:18,639 --> 01:06:23,559
are hard questions. Might is right seems to be much

990
01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:27,360
more foundational than people think, and that the one thing

991
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,039
that we can kind of take away from it is

992
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:34,639
that we should have a nuanced idea of it right.

993
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,239
We shouldn't reject it out of hand because you know,

994
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,039
it's something that's super ancient. It goes back a long

995
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:43,880
long way, so that in itself means that we should,

996
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,159
you know, maybe take a second look at it kind

997
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:47,480
of thing.

998
01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:52,119
Speaker 1: Well, I think that was a that was a great

999
01:06:52,239 --> 01:06:57,880
little little lesson there, and just I wanted to mention

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01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:02,360
people will say, oh, well, job is the Old Testament.

1001
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If anybody wants to read read the same thing. Read

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Romans chapter nine in the New Testament and you'll get

1003
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the same exact argument there. And it's one of the

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reasons why when I was in seminary, people didn't like

1005
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:18,079
to talk about Romans chapter nine because it seems very

1006
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:23,199
it seems very Unchristian. But well, I really appreciate this

1007
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,559
and the book is looks fantastic. It's probably once I

1008
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,320
once I started going through it, I was like, this

1009
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,719
is a book that I I'm excited about and I'm

1010
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,679
definitely looking forward to giving it to some giving it

1011
01:07:37,719 --> 01:07:40,880
to some people and handing it out. Definitely the gift

1012
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,920
kind of material there. So tell people where they can

1013
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:45,320
get it.

1014
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:49,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we've made a very simple url you can

1015
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go to. It's just imperiumpress dot org slash ct that'll

1016
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get you there. And if you if you want to

1017
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,079
buy some additional copies for friends, we now have a

1018
01:08:04,119 --> 01:08:07,920
book discount, so I think it's fifteen percent off if

1019
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:12,880
you buy three or more. Maybe it's five or more,

1020
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,559
but anyway, it's just like a pretty hefty discount for

1021
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:18,439
a handful of books. And if you want to buy

1022
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,520
ten or more you get twenty percent off. So we've

1023
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,439
already had a bunch of people that have bought place

1024
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,359
bulk orders. This would make a really really good gift

1025
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for some people in your life that a lot of

1026
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:33,760
the audience knows. It may not be the thing that

1027
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you want to give to your like CNN watching Boom

1028
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,720
or Dad, although maybe I don't know if he's open minded.

1029
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But you know, for those folks that are at your

1030
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gym or your dojo, or you know, at your church

1031
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,960
group that are you know, just starting to come to

1032
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,439
grips with the questioning the narrative, Basically, this book is

1033
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a really good way to kind of not just get

1034
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,239
their feet wet, but to really get them pretty far

1035
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into into our way of seeing things now.

1036
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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: The language doesn't pull any punches. There's a little bit

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of vulgarity in there, just sort of shop talk. It's

1039
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sort of meant meant for the boys, really, although I'm

1040
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sure women will appreciate it as well. It's also religiously neutral.

1041
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I myself am a pagan, but it's not a pagan book.

1042
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It's not a Christian book. It's just really an illiberal book.

1043
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There's lots of reference to all of our traditions all

1044
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throughout the West, lots of examples that pulled from the Bible,

1045
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lots from classical Greece and you know, the North Sagas

1046
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and things like that, as well as more modern examples.

1047
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The book is kind of written in the wake of

1048
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twenty twenty as well, so it's something that is for

1049
01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,479
a lot of our guys. I think it's going to

1050
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have a very out appeal. If you go to imperiumpress

1051
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dot org slash ct H, then you'll find it, and

1052
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I think it's going to go a long way.

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Speaker 1: Like I appreciate it. I always I always enjoyed talking

1054
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to you. I always learned something.

1055
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, thanks for having me, Pete. I

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really enjoyed it. H