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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to an all glasses version of nonprofits. And today

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to talk about a bunch of high

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<v Speaker 1>school kids that got illusioned into a good trick and

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<v Speaker 1>AJ is going to take us there. So, AJ, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you got for us?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever clicked on an innocent link and then

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<v Speaker 2>poof suddenly and you find yourself on someone's only fans.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called bait and switch, and this is what Brian Drake,

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<v Speaker 2>a Christian illusionist, is doing across South Carolina public schools

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<v Speaker 2>in order to recruit teenagers that he can later convert

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<v Speaker 2>to Christianity. Now, the Freedom from Religion Foundation attempted to

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<v Speaker 2>stop one of the latest public school magic shows by

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<v Speaker 2>Drake without success. These events are absolutely a triple bait

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<v Speaker 2>and switch. Okay, So first, the teens attend a fun

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<v Speaker 2>magic show at the school, where they're invited to an

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<v Speaker 2>after school event a nearby church. And at this nighttime

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<v Speaker 2>magic show, suddenly they introduced the main guest, the Lord

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<v Speaker 2>and Savior Jesus. Now by sharing the gospel at this

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<v Speaker 2>second event, they're then invited into Drake's main show, Ground Zero,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a nonprofit that focuses on getting teenagers into

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship with Jesus. Now, if this sounds really really

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<v Speaker 2>quepy to you, it's because it is. This story is

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<v Speaker 2>from The Friendly Eighties by Herman Metta on November fifth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, before we go anywhere, kudos to him

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<v Speaker 1>at Matta for bringing his stories to the forefront. He's

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<v Speaker 1>always bringing up really good stories like this. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like every week we're picking one of his The deal

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<v Speaker 1>on a non profit, So kudos to him because he's

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<v Speaker 1>the author doing a lot of good work. Cindy, do

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<v Speaker 1>you think Drake is able to claim the moral high

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<v Speaker 1>ground after his behavior?

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<v Speaker 3>No? No, it's to me, every time I hear a

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<v Speaker 3>Christian talk, and it's been like this for a few years,

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<v Speaker 3>the first word that popping pops into my mind is hypocrite,

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<v Speaker 3>all of them, because Christians are constantly claiming that they

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<v Speaker 3>have the moral high ground, Like you know, how many

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<v Speaker 3>times have you heard you can have morals without God?

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, they claim that every time, but the second

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<v Speaker 3>it's no longer convenient, then the Belgium to the ends

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<v Speaker 3>justify the means paradigm. So because yeah, I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's going to be what they will say internally,

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<v Speaker 3>if there's any criticism or any voice saying that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we shouldn't be doing that. Yeah, laying for Jesus is

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<v Speaker 3>not a real scene and and all that. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you've heard that a lot as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The ends justifies the means, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's it's just hypocrisy to the

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<v Speaker 3>highest level. Yeah, we we didn't know what was what

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<v Speaker 3>the show was going to be about. We didn't know,

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<v Speaker 3>even though f fr F sence as an email, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't really know. It's just yeah, hypocrisy. Yeah. On

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<v Speaker 3>a different notes, I just wanted to say that I

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<v Speaker 3>hope f fr F is heavily recruiting right now because

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<v Speaker 3>I predict that they're going to have dozens, if not

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<v Speaker 3>hundreds of cases like this throughout the US in the

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<v Speaker 3>near future. They're doing incredible work right now and have

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<v Speaker 3>been for for years, but I think the next few

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<v Speaker 3>years are going to be on the next level. So

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<v Speaker 3>consider supporting them if you can. But more important, more importantly,

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<v Speaker 3>be safe everyone, because a bumpy ride.

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<v Speaker 1>It's already been a bumpy rider. I think we've already

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<v Speaker 1>done at least one story that was similar to this,

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<v Speaker 1>with the high school kids being bussed to a to

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<v Speaker 1>a ministry basically, John, do you think the school authorities

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<v Speaker 1>knowingly turned a blind eye to Drake and his Christian message.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say they definitely are. They definitely knew, and

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<v Speaker 4>they definitely are hiding it. The schools there already have

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<v Speaker 4>an awful lot of religion, and it's something that since

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<v Speaker 4>I did live there at one point, they are. There's

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<v Speaker 4>a church on every corner. It's always Southern Baptist. I

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<v Speaker 4>saw I think one Lutheran some once and it was

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like, you know, unusual. But so it's like

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<v Speaker 4>these people have Christianity as a mindset and a way

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<v Speaker 4>of life there. They don't they don't always say what

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<v Speaker 4>they're thinking, but they usually do, and it's usually some

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<v Speaker 4>sort of moral superiority thing about being Christian, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's just like it's kind of really really creepy there.

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<v Speaker 4>So I am sure that these school boards, which are

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<v Speaker 4>probably totally full of evangelical Christians, are going to turn

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<v Speaker 4>a blind eye to everything this guy does, regardless of

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<v Speaker 4>what it is, and so to get people into to

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<v Speaker 4>accept their religion. So I don't think that's ever going

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<v Speaker 4>to be a You would think that lying in deceit

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<v Speaker 4>would be in anathema to Christian uh, to these Christian

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<v Speaker 4>bullshit peddlers. But in that particular state, it's kind of rampant.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody's a freaking preacher there. But everything is legal to

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<v Speaker 4>convert everybody to a racist, anti human religion that condones

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<v Speaker 4>and encourages abuse of marginalized computer communities. It's just it

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<v Speaker 4>is sickening. They give their own children lifelong trauma through

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<v Speaker 4>their belief system. This is if this, this is enough

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<v Speaker 4>to get you sick to your stomach, and but I'm

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<v Speaker 4>all puked out. I can't. I can't get emotion about

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<v Speaker 4>this anymore. It is overwhelmingly evil. And he even admits

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<v Speaker 4>he's lying to the school district will not do anything

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<v Speaker 4>because he gives them plausible deniability. Unfortunately FRFF took that

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<v Speaker 4>from him for the future because they told him what

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<v Speaker 4>this guy was doing, so they can't claim they don't

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<v Speaker 4>know anymore, but they will so, you know, it's sort

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<v Speaker 4>of like your little kid, he wants some candy. That's

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<v Speaker 4>real creepy, dude. You know. I'm just kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>his deflection away from real harm being done to people

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<v Speaker 4>is just amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>AJ It seemed like, Drake went to the high school

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<v Speaker 1>with a particular idea of what he was doing there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he didn't go there just to do an

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<v Speaker 1>illusion an illusion show. Would you agree to that? And

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think that his real motivation.

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<v Speaker 4>Was for going there?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Drake and his wife had no intention of performing

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<v Speaker 2>a magic show and an illusion show just to entertain

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<v Speaker 2>or to even somewhat educate these teenagers. The ultimate goal

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<v Speaker 2>was to evangelize them, to proselytize there. He posted on

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<v Speaker 2>his own social media saying that we always want to

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<v Speaker 2>point the students to a nighttime event where we can

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<v Speaker 2>share the gospel with them. We never want to do

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<v Speaker 2>just the show. We wouldn't travel with our girls if

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<v Speaker 2>it was just about performing and entertaining. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he also clarified and on his social media as well,

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<v Speaker 2>that they have a passion for reaching communities through their schools. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't get any more loud and clear than that.

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<v Speaker 2>He is publicly letting everybody know that his original intention

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<v Speaker 2>was to get these kids from the school to the church.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, yeah, he didn't make any he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>make any bones about it. That's what I am here

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<v Speaker 1>to do this and this alone and do it while

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<v Speaker 1>I'm entertaining the kids so they get a good feeling

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<v Speaker 1>about coming. I think is part of the deal too.

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<v Speaker 1>I did so much it is kind of disgusting. I

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<v Speaker 1>did check out his website. He does have his own website,

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<v Speaker 1>And I gotta make a comment on a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>things that were said there. Brian and Carla Drake have

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<v Speaker 1>performed for hundreds of thousands of people over the past

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<v Speaker 1>ten years. They have witnessed the amazing grace of God

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<v Speaker 1>firsthand as thousands of people at their show have surrendered

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<v Speaker 1>their lives to follow Jesus. Now I'm reading this and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, well, they admit that they had hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of people, but they only they were only able

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<v Speaker 1>to convert a thousand, So they don't seem very effective.

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<v Speaker 1>If they're only reaching one in one hundred people, they

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot more work to do. And I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was also interesting that the last part of that

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<v Speaker 1>sentence that these people have surrendered their lives to follow

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus is just directly coming out and saying that you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be in charge of your own life. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to follow Jesus, you have to give up your

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<v Speaker 1>life and to Jesus you no longer have your own life.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was a pretty interesting thing, Cindy. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think if there was one message that you got

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<v Speaker 1>you can give about this story, what would it be?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't trust religious people? Uh No, it's I know, we

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<v Speaker 3>we can't generalize like this because there are genuine and

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<v Speaker 3>honest Christian and Muslim and but it feels like every

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<v Speaker 3>time a religious person has power, they tend to use

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<v Speaker 3>it in order to impose their religion to other people.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see that in most of Europe except a

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<v Speaker 3>few exceptions. But it's it's clear in in many parts

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<v Speaker 3>of the world, uh the US, many countries, in in

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<v Speaker 3>in South America, in in Africa, in Asia, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's it's everywhere, and and it's it's hard to

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<v Speaker 3>fight this all the time. Uh and and again, as

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<v Speaker 3>uh ages said, said Emmane Meadow does know you you

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<v Speaker 3>said that, Kelly. Sorry. He does a really great job

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<v Speaker 3>looking around the internet and bringing us those stories.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And and we need more people like this because there

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<v Speaker 3>are a lot of stories like this on on on

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<v Speaker 3>the website where we found this article, I found another

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<v Speaker 3>one that was interesting and talked about one missionary uh

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<v Speaker 3>that was sent to work with orphanages, and they had

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<v Speaker 3>some some some interesting insights. This article is pretty interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>so go to their website and and read a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of what they say. It will give you an

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<v Speaker 3>insight on on how how they think. But other than that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's just uh stay out of school, uh stay

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<v Speaker 3>out of public office and and uh church separation of

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<v Speaker 3>church and states.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, John, you know, there was this big bait

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<v Speaker 1>and switch and I I don't know that you could

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<v Speaker 1>call that. I mean, we've all kind of said it

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<v Speaker 1>was the wrong thing to do. But what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think is the ultimate lesson that high schoolers are getting

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<v Speaker 1>from the from this baden switch technique.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think the ones that uh that ballford are

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<v Speaker 4>getting no lesson from it. The ones who watch it

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<v Speaker 4>happening and go and then that's not right. They're the

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<v Speaker 4>ones who are learning that uh, Christianity is a bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of bullshit, that they're lying about everything, you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>they're trying to make them think the world is broken

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<v Speaker 4>and that they're broken and they need the church to

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<v Speaker 4>fix them, they need their relationship with Jesus to fix them,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's not going to fix anything. It never has.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, for thousands of years, rulers have used

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<v Speaker 4>religion in order to enslave and keep the working people

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<v Speaker 4>working for them because they'll get their reward in the

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<v Speaker 4>next life. And that is one of the biggest griffs

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<v Speaker 4>that's ever been placed on any public from for the

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<v Speaker 4>last five or six thousand years, maybe longer. And this

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<v Speaker 4>is just because they need the poor to work for

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<v Speaker 4>free or to work for very low wages so they

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<v Speaker 4>can acquire wealth in such large quantities and as long

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<v Speaker 4>as they believe they will be better off the next life,

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<v Speaker 4>just sacrifice everything to fill in the blank, and you

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<v Speaker 4>will be saved from the shit world that we have

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<v Speaker 4>created for you. You know, you know they're the ones

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<v Speaker 4>who made it that way, and then now they're going

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<v Speaker 4>to save you from it. That is just such an

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<v Speaker 4>obvious rift, you know, it's it's it's really sad. And

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<v Speaker 4>we see parallels to that today pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Drake has his own organization too, called Ground zero AJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you give us a little bit of information about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is the third part of you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>whole we part and switch where they get them from

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<v Speaker 2>the school all the way to Ground zero. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>main goal. And so Ground zero is like a religious

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<v Speaker 2>ministry and they promote cultivating the lives of teenagers through

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<v Speaker 2>faith or as we like to call it, indoctrination. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>there are website claims that they use high quality current events, entertainment,

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<v Speaker 2>and experiences to cuture the attention of teenagers and impact them.

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<v Speaker 2>For christ, I think this is really really creepy because

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<v Speaker 2>they are using things that they know these teenagers are

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<v Speaker 2>interested in in order to get them hooked into the

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<v Speaker 2>whole religious aspect of it. Now, their website also has

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<v Speaker 2>part of it that's labeled Biblical positions and all this

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<v Speaker 2>shows you where they proudly sure that their pro life

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<v Speaker 2>is loaded with purity culture ideologies like abstinence before marriage,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, extremely homophobic messaging, and it's all stated clearly

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<v Speaker 2>along with their proper Bible verse that defense, that position,

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<v Speaker 2>and that they're using to indoctrinate and teach all of

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<v Speaker 2>these ideals to these teenagers that come to their gown

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<v Speaker 2>zero organization. It's really I find the highly problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I do too, I really do too. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I really want to stress here is

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to take away from the ACA, because

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<v Speaker 1>the ACA does a lot of wonderful work. They've built

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful community. They're out there doing things. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think if after you support the ACA, if you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of bucks left over, send it to the

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<v Speaker 1>Freedom From Religion Foundation, because they really are out there

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<v Speaker 1>on the front lines of this battlefield. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>Cindy mentioned it that it that's it's a hard fight,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and sometimes it gets a little disheartening. And

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<v Speaker 1>yet these guys are out there every single day. They

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<v Speaker 1>got lawyers out there actually fighting these things that we're

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<v Speaker 1>bitching about here on this show. So, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've got a couple of bucks left over after

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<v Speaker 1>you've supported the ACA, please please support the f R

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<v Speaker 1>the f fr F. I this this story really really

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<v Speaker 1>really got to me. I really don't like seeing kids

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<v Speaker 1>taking advantage of like this, and I think it's sent

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong message that here, Hey, you know, it's all

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<v Speaker 1>right to lie. It's all right to lie as long

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<v Speaker 1>as they as long as the ends justifies the means.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've never been a believer in that. Now, what

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to do is ask the panel, maybe is

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<v Speaker 1>our last question and bring it around to everybody. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that the lesson that was being taught here

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<v Speaker 1>was a good lesson? And if you were a high

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<v Speaker 1>school or what would you take out of it? And

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<v Speaker 1>let's start with aj because she's right next to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I do not find that to be a

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<v Speaker 2>positive message at all. You know, I think that Drake

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to share a message with teenagers that said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we live in a beat up, broken wall and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>here's why. And then he's clearly about to teach him

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<v Speaker 2>the typical question doctrine that ensures that you can't ever

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<v Speaker 2>be good enough and that's why you need Jesus, like

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<v Speaker 2>you are weak, and he wants to know that scenes,

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<v Speaker 2>rather than choices, are what make this wold such a

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<v Speaker 2>horrible place. And then you know, suddenly you can go

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<v Speaker 2>poof be saved whenever you let Jesus into your heart

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<v Speaker 2>and your minds and your body. And it's just creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just creeping. That's the message I get out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they want they want weak people. They're telling you

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<v Speaker 1>they want you to surrender. They want weak people, Right, John,

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<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 4>I really think that the whole doctrine of the world

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<v Speaker 4>is a broken place. Yeah, you guys made it that way.

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<v Speaker 4>You had two thousand years to screw this place up

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<v Speaker 4>and your religious bullshit, and you have. And so you

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<v Speaker 4>make something screwed up enough to where people you can

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<v Speaker 4>use it as an argument for them to join your group,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and then you tell them that they're broken

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<v Speaker 4>and that they need to, you know, stay in the

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<v Speaker 4>place so that they can get unbroken. But they're not

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<v Speaker 4>going to get unbroken here on earth. They're going to

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<v Speaker 4>get unbroken sometimes else after they died, so they get

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<v Speaker 4>the entire lifetime of these people draining them of their

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<v Speaker 4>their wealth and their blood until they die, and then

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<v Speaker 4>they're supposed to get a non existent reward. Right. This

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<v Speaker 4>is just brutal. You know, we know, we know that

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<v Speaker 4>there's not going to be anything after you die. People,

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<v Speaker 4>you're not broken. If you feel broken, go to a

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<v Speaker 4>legitimate therapist and work on it. These churches do nothing

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<v Speaker 4>for you. Faith does nothing for you. It's just a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of lies to cover up and put lipstick on

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<v Speaker 4>that pig. Okay, you're not broken. Don't let them tell

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<v Speaker 4>you you're broken, because you're not. You're a human being. You

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<v Speaker 4>have fought failings, but that doesn't mean you're broken. That

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<v Speaker 4>just means you're human and you're operating like all the

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<v Speaker 4>other humans, which means you're not broken, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Or yes, they were all either that or just all broken. Cindy,

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<v Speaker 1>what are your final thoughts?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I've been saying for for four years that

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<v Speaker 3>if we stop teaching religion before the age of eighteen,

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<v Speaker 3>religions will disappear in a couple decades. I know this

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<v Speaker 3>is not realistic because people will always want to side

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<v Speaker 3>what they teach their children at home, and and and

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<v Speaker 3>and that's fair. But in this time where where so

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<v Speaker 3>much bad information on purpose or by accident is shared

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<v Speaker 3>and and and found on the internet and with people

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<v Speaker 3>around you, I think we need to start thinking as

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<v Speaker 3>as a society of how we can value the truth first,

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<v Speaker 3>and then how we can fight all this disinformation and misinformation.

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<v Speaker 3>And that includes religion. So yeah, that's my my my

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<v Speaker 3>last word. It's just we need to have this talks

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<v Speaker 3>as a society.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say this all the time. Teach science before religion.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. As a scientist, I'm all for that. And

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