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Speaker 2: Welcome to this edition of Where Did the Road Go?
Speaker 2: And tonight I have with me mister Christopher Ernstlow There everyone,
Speaker 2: and the nameless one Matt Festa.
Speaker 6: Hello, my darlings. Again, I have a name. We've been
Speaker 6: over this.
Speaker 2: I just yeah, I just acknowledged it.
Speaker 6: The nameless nameless.
Speaker 7: We just call you Matt anyway or Nirala Hotel.
Speaker 2: I can never say that, so I'm not even gonna try.
Speaker 7: It took me a long time, and that was something
Speaker 7: I was very very you know, excited about, and I
Speaker 7: don't know when I was about like twelve or thirteen
Speaker 7: that I practiced saying it, and I remember telling my
Speaker 7: friend Peter on the bus I can now say it.
Speaker 6: I thought it was Yarlestep. But maybe I'm just like
Speaker 6: saying it with an Australian.
Speaker 7: We see, I'm probably saying it wrong. I probably taught
Speaker 7: myself wrong, honestly, because it's going back to me being
Speaker 7: twelve and I was much much more of an idiot than.
Speaker 2: Well, you got to figure. Lovecraft wrote names that would
Speaker 2: intentionally be hard to say, right, they were unspeakable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: here you are speaking them. Yeah, you know. I had
Speaker 2: trouble with you know, Meredith's blog, and I kept saying
Speaker 2: I wanted to call it the Maze of Metonia, and
Speaker 2: I like the way that sounds, but instead of met
Speaker 2: Noya man, I can't even remember what med Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think you're For some reason, my brain's just stuck on
Speaker 2: calling it the other way.
Speaker 7: No, I get you, I hear you.
Speaker 2: It's like I looked at it quickly went oh Medanoya
Speaker 2: okay or Metonia. I mean see now I said it
Speaker 2: right accidentally.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, you're thinking Magonia.
Speaker 2: It's you know, maybe but I read that when oh
Speaker 2: that's a cool name, didn't think too much about it,
Speaker 2: and then I heard her on streamers show and they
Speaker 2: said it properly, and I went, it's that what it is?
Speaker 2: That isn't it? Okay? Brain looked quick and just jumped
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 6: I guess it happens anytime you only know a word
Speaker 6: from reading it and then you hear someone actually said
Speaker 6: it's like oh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah completely.
Speaker 2: So I guess too. This is going to be a
Speaker 2: wandering the road show. We're going to go all over
Speaker 2: the place. But I think we should probably address first
Speaker 2: off that Gordon White passed away. Yes, and Gordon White
Speaker 2: had been on the show. I'm going to put a
Speaker 2: compilation of his appearances up. I just haven't had time
Speaker 2: to do it, but a few people have requested it.
Speaker 2: It was on the show. I don't know how many times,
Speaker 2: like two or three shows, but I think they were
Speaker 2: a couple of parts for each one. He did a
Speaker 2: podcast called rudin Soup. He was a magician over in
Speaker 2: the u UK.
Speaker 7: Right, No, well, he started in the UK at least
Speaker 7: when he started his blog, which is where I knew
Speaker 7: him from, which was before he even had the podcast
Speaker 7: or the members thing, and that's he was still living
Speaker 7: in London and working in the media industry.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, okay, all right, I ended up.
Speaker 7: Then he ended up. I think it was like two
Speaker 7: thousand and eight, maybe it was two thousand and eight.
Speaker 7: During the crash, he like lost a lot of money
Speaker 7: and I think he lost his savings and his job
Speaker 7: and ended up in Tasmania and his partner James ended
Speaker 7: up in Tasmania and they bought like a farm and
Speaker 7: he got really into what's it called, Like it's like
Speaker 7: sustainable farming, but there's a name for it, and there's
Speaker 7: a specific name and like, you know, scene for it,
Speaker 7: which I totally forget.
Speaker 6: Subsistence farming.
Speaker 7: Yes, that might be it. That might be it, And
Speaker 7: I might just be a dingba. Well I am a dingbat, but.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't even remember the last time
Speaker 2: he was on. It might have been his there was
Speaker 2: a book that had the number eight in it, Pieces
Speaker 2: of Pieces of eight. Yes, yeah, I think that was
Speaker 2: the last time I had him on, So it's been
Speaker 2: probably a decade. Yeah, And I just kind of I
Speaker 2: was never like I liked having him on the show.
Speaker 2: He was interesting to talk to. I read the books.
Speaker 2: I thought they were interesting, but I never got into
Speaker 2: his podcast very much, and I just I didn't like
Speaker 2: his approach, I guess as part of it.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I definitely did when I first started,
Speaker 7: you know, reading his stuff, because that's when I first,
Speaker 7: I guess caught wind of him, was through the blog,
Speaker 7: and that was, yeah, way back then. And you know,
Speaker 7: I seemed like a person that maybe I wouldn't be
Speaker 7: friends with, but I thought some of the stuff he
Speaker 7: was talking about was interesting, or at least I thought
Speaker 7: it was, you know, I was you know, it meant
Speaker 7: something or it resonated with me at a particular time
Speaker 7: in the way that he was talking about it. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I quickly, sort of not quickly, but I kept on
Speaker 7: paying attention, I think up until he started his premium
Speaker 7: uh where you started basically have to pay. He was
Speaker 7: one of the first people to kind of start that too,
Speaker 7: pre Patreon. And you know, I, for me, at least,
Speaker 7: I found difficulty with what seemed to me to be
Speaker 7: more of a cult mentality, you know, where people were
Speaker 7: beginning to treat him in the way that you see
Speaker 7: and so many of these sort of conspiratuality situations. But
Speaker 7: I know a lot of people that also got a
Speaker 7: lot out of the work that he did. Know it's interesting,
Speaker 7: I did, I did. I'm on the mailing list for
Speaker 7: uh Connor bebe who if people don't know, he's another
Speaker 7: sort of a cult personality and he has a you know, podcast,
Speaker 7: written books. He and Gordon had a friendship that you know,
Speaker 7: was both of them were gay men, and they had
Speaker 7: a sort of that was one tie. But they were
Speaker 7: also you know, young, similar age, occult interest, so they
Speaker 7: were friends for many reasons. But uh, you know, Connor
Speaker 7: sent out this email uh to people on his mailing
Speaker 7: list a little while ago in regards to Gordon's death,
Speaker 7: and I thought it was a pretty savvy and salient
Speaker 7: take on the subject. He talked about him from the
Speaker 7: standpoint of a friend, but you know, also the falling
Speaker 7: outs that they had, and you know, essentially from what
Speaker 7: he's saying, or at least my understanding of the email,
Speaker 7: it's like, you know, the pandemic broke mister White, as
Speaker 7: it did many people, and you know, he threatened Connor
Speaker 7: and apparently he was like trying to kill people with
Speaker 7: magic behind the scenes that he thought crossed him and
Speaker 7: a lot of stuff like that and Connor, you know,
Speaker 7: I think I would say obviously, but he kind of
Speaker 7: fell out of touch with Gordon, but you know, still
Speaker 7: is saddened by his death. I mean, the biggest thing
Speaker 7: that I think, in seeing the way that everybody is
Speaker 7: dealing with it, is that, you know, I feel the
Speaker 7: best way to approach it is the fact that this
Speaker 7: was a human and that I see there to be
Speaker 7: something that's you know, maybe not so great about. There's
Speaker 7: a sanctifying and sort of like calling him a folk
Speaker 7: saint and stuff like that, and it's still that same
Speaker 7: at least for me. I find that kind of cult
Speaker 7: mentality what I would call it that, and I find
Speaker 7: it to be off putting. But you know, as far
Speaker 7: you know, I think he had some importance for many people,
Speaker 7: even if I didn't agree with the stuff that he
Speaker 7: was doing. And yeah, it's sad that this, you know,
Speaker 7: he was taken away from his friends and family so
Speaker 7: so early.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was only forty four. Yeah, he died
Speaker 2: when he was in Peru. It's his natural course. Pauses,
Speaker 2: it doesn't say what he died of.
Speaker 7: So he and this is again going from some of
Speaker 7: the stuff from Connor Bieb's you know, newsletter was that,
Speaker 7: you know, he had a heart condition, which I guess
Speaker 7: was something that he had been dealing with or started
Speaker 7: to deal with a little while ago, and he was
Speaker 7: kind of anti VAXX, and I think that he.
Speaker 2: Was.
Speaker 7: I don't know either that, or maybe I don't. I
Speaker 7: don't know the true story, but I know that he
Speaker 7: from what I had read in the email and sort
Speaker 7: of heard through the grapevine, is that he decided not
Speaker 7: to pursue conventional medicine, and that part of his shift too,
Speaker 7: because he basically a few years ago shifted to essentially
Speaker 7: being an ayahuasca shaman. I mean, I guess there's no
Speaker 7: other better way to say it. He said he went
Speaker 7: through training to become an ayahuasca shaman and he became one.
Speaker 7: So he was, you know, taking people through trips. And
Speaker 7: I think this was also part of him trying to
Speaker 7: heal his heart condition. From what I gathered, which is,
Speaker 7: you know, not necessarily as much as I do believe
Speaker 7: in other ways of dealing with the physical body, sometimes
Speaker 7: the physical body has to be dealt with physically, So
Speaker 7: I don't know that might have been it part of
Speaker 7: and you know, we're up in Peru and like near Cusco.
Speaker 7: That's intense altitude, which is really gonna put a strain
Speaker 7: on a lot of people. So who knows.
Speaker 2: That is a good point. Yeah, I know. We had
Speaker 2: him on for Starships. Yeah, and of the books that
Speaker 2: I read, that was the one I liked the most,
Speaker 2: and then definitely Pieces of Eight. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he was on again other than those two, but like
Speaker 2: I said, I think they were multi part shows. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I will put them up.
Speaker 7: He talked a lot, He had a lot to say,
Speaker 7: so I wouldn't I would imagine and if I remember
Speaker 7: from listening, because I definitely was listening to those at
Speaker 7: the time, I think he talked for quite a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Josh was the one that wanted
Speaker 2: to have him on. He was the one that turned
Speaker 2: me on to him in the first time.
Speaker 7: Josh is a very Josh is a you know Josh.
Speaker 7: I think we were talking about this prior to the show.
Speaker 7: But yeah, Josh and I both we were. We definitely
Speaker 7: liked the There were these annual or semi annual podcasts
Speaker 7: that he would do for a while. I don't know
Speaker 7: if he continued after I stopped listening to him, but
Speaker 7: what he would do with the astrologer Austin Kopic, where
Speaker 7: they would talk about sort of mundane astrology and predictions
Speaker 7: using mundane astrology for the year, which are always interesting
Speaker 7: and sometimes, you know, somewhat accurate. And I found that
Speaker 7: you can get the same information if you listen to
Speaker 7: Austin Kopic on the Astrology podcast with Chris Brennan. They
Speaker 7: do one every month, which essentially is doing the same thing.
Speaker 7: They're going through mundane astrology, which is oftentimes pretty interesting
Speaker 7: mundane meaning of the world, so like not individual horoscopes,
Speaker 7: but like what's the horoscope for countries and you know,
Speaker 7: what's going on with just the planets you know at
Speaker 7: the time.
Speaker 2: Interesting? Okay, So yeah, I mean that's it's always unfortunate.
Speaker 2: He was young. Forty four is not old, so yeah,
Speaker 2: and Matt, you weren't even familiar with them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, outside of his appearances on here on various other
Speaker 6: mentions of him on here. I hadn't read anything of
Speaker 6: his so I was like, did not have, you know,
Speaker 6: a huge familiarity with him in his work. So like,
Speaker 6: once his death came out, I was hearing all this
Speaker 6: other both good and bad things about him all at once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I just stopped following him, so I don't,
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't know much of what was going
Speaker 2: on with him. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I generally try to follow like a cult esoteric news,
Speaker 7: which is sort of how I heard about but I
Speaker 7: I stopped. I mean it was essentially like during the pandemic,
Speaker 7: I stopped liking the content that he was, you know,
Speaker 7: putting onto his podcast.
Speaker 2: So I, like I said, it just never resonated with me.
Speaker 2: Like so, I think after the last time I had
Speaker 2: him on, that was probably the last time I really
Speaker 2: looked at his stuff.
Speaker 7: He had some interesting people on that, you know, I
Speaker 7: definitely you know, wish still had platforms. Like some people
Speaker 7: have completely gone out of the public business, like Sarah
Speaker 7: Ann Lawless, who was a great witch who does poison
Speaker 7: path stuff out of Canada, but she's you know, out
Speaker 7: of the scene in general. She had some really great
Speaker 7: stuff to say. Or like Ramsey Dukes, who's somebody from
Speaker 7: sort of the same time as Pete Carroll, you know,
Speaker 7: Chaos Magic, but people don't talk about Ramsey Dukes as much.
Speaker 7: I think Ramsey Duke is really interesting, like very interesting,
Speaker 7: you know, and if you're into you know, psychonaut and
Speaker 7: Peter Carroll. You should, you know, definitely look into Ramsey
Speaker 7: Dukes as well.
Speaker 2: All right, we should also bring up the fact that,
Speaker 2: let's gonna call it Tyson has a UFO book out now,
Speaker 2: like Mike Tyson, no, what's his name, I.
Speaker 6: Would read Mike Tyson's UFO I would do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the guy who took over for I thought.
Speaker 7: The UFO was coming over the over the top, and
Speaker 7: I said to myself.
Speaker 2: The guy who took over for Sagan.
Speaker 7: Oh yes, uh yeah, Neil de Grass, you're right Tyson.
Speaker 2: Okay, all my brain was giving you is Tyson, because
Speaker 2: that's what it likes to do to me. Yeah, Neil
Speaker 2: de Grass. Tyson puts out a book on UFL.
Speaker 7: Stand by what Matt said would be much better if
Speaker 7: this was.
Speaker 2: Mike, and it's like, I mean, this just seems like
Speaker 2: the obvious. Oh, the UFOs are big. I guess I'll
Speaker 2: write a book about it after the wor.
Speaker 7: I used to like him, but I and I'll, you know,
Speaker 7: I'll publicly say this because he's more famous than you know,
Speaker 7: a hair on my head will ever be or other
Speaker 7: way around. One of his hairs on his head is
Speaker 7: more famous than I'll ever be, so I can punch up. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he seems completely disingenuous, and you know, like he just
Speaker 7: complete toes whatever line is going to get him the
Speaker 7: most eyeballs and most money. And I've also heard too
Speaker 7: there are I think there have been some legitimate in
Speaker 7: court sexual harassment allegations against the guy. So he might
Speaker 7: just be a dirt bag.
Speaker 2: That's a little disappointing. Like I don't agree with his
Speaker 2: view on things because he has that toe the line
Speaker 2: materialistic sort of thing. But I didn't know that that's unfortunate.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I used to like him so many years ago,
Speaker 6: back when he you know, so many figures like him,
Speaker 6: they go through this transformation of where they start out
Speaker 6: gaining that kind of media attention because they are not
Speaker 6: only a good scientist but also a really gifted just
Speaker 6: order and communicator in general. But then like the process
Speaker 6: of that fame and media attention turns them into the
Speaker 6: trolls that they become. Richard Dawkins but uh, way back
Speaker 6: when he was just in that early stages. I read
Speaker 6: his book that was, oh what was it called, I
Speaker 6: think just something like Origin was just really generalized for
Speaker 6: a public audience or a broad audience rather history of
Speaker 6: the universe from like Big Bang onwards and like just
Speaker 6: so well written, really just fascinating stuff pop science, and
Speaker 6: like then just seeing him become what he is now
Speaker 6: is like the dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's very charismatic, he's funny, but yeah, he is.
Speaker 2: He definitely is the toe the line. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: go with whatever. Ye In the the UFO book, I
Speaker 2: saw what's the guy's name? Hmmm, he was a short
Speaker 2: Brian Tyler Cohen did is this is it too? Oh? Now,
Speaker 2: I haven't looked at this one. Uh Neil and talks
Speaker 2: crop circles. I'm sure that'll be great.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, he's gone like completely, he's he's like full
Speaker 7: in now.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't. He said that in that interview, he
Speaker 2: said that, look, you know, all these government people said
Speaker 2: that they that they have stuff and that this is real,
Speaker 2: and he's like, okay, well, I mean their authorities so
Speaker 2: they should know. But he's like, but at the same time,
Speaker 2: he's like, I haven't seen any evidence, and they haven't
Speaker 2: presented any evidence. So his book apparently is just like
Speaker 2: speculative what it would be like to communicate with another
Speaker 2: race extra race, and it's kind of like, Okay, that's
Speaker 2: kind of better than him suddenly being like yes, UFOs,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 7: Like I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. I just
Speaker 7: don't like the guy at this point. But yes, you're right,
Speaker 7: You're right.
Speaker 2: I don't like him either. So I mean, honestly, I'm
Speaker 2: not a big fan of Carl Sagan either. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know that's like blasphemous the people, but reading about
Speaker 2: the whole thing with Velakowsky and Sagan and how Sagan
Speaker 2: just went after Velakovsky and in a very dirty way
Speaker 2: most of the time, it was just like, this is
Speaker 2: not okay, this is not what I would expect from
Speaker 2: some one like saying it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agreed, I mean yes.
Speaker 2: And again he started out a little more open minded,
Speaker 2: but then just became one of those guys who just
Speaker 2: towed the line.
Speaker 7: I think it's like it's unfortunately one of those things
Speaker 7: that happens to a lot of people once they reach
Speaker 7: a certain level of like notoriety, there's a pressure that
Speaker 7: becomes upon them where they have to tow this line
Speaker 7: or you know, they're going to get essentially canceled and
Speaker 7: they're going to lose their livelihood. Not that it's an excuse,
Speaker 7: but I do think that happens. And I think, you know,
Speaker 7: there's like the weakness of sort of the human I
Speaker 7: don't know, ego and the fragility of that. You know,
Speaker 7: you can see that, especially if it's you know, they're
Speaker 7: faced with hardship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh totally, yeah, yeah, you know, And I think
Speaker 2: that's that's one of the weak spots of science, is thatly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean the money aspect of it makes it hard
Speaker 2: for anyone to do novel research.
Speaker 7: It'll make everybody scream, you know, Collin, me and me
Speaker 7: and Matt socialists or whatever. But yeah, it's capitalism, guys,
Speaker 7: predatory capitalism. It is off comrades, corporate capitalism. Whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because, uh, I don't generally rewatch stuff
Speaker 2: because there's so much stuff I want to watch in
Speaker 2: some little time to do it. But I decided to
Speaker 2: rewatch Fringe.
Speaker 7: Oh nice, And I'm crossing my fingers. It was good.
Speaker 2: Oh it's better than it was. So much of the
Speaker 2: stuff there like dead on about like it's stuff we've
Speaker 2: actually advanced since then, and I'm going, oh, this is
Speaker 2: totally a possible thing. Including so episode five is a
Speaker 2: guy who's shorting out electronics next to him, like he
Speaker 2: gets upset, electronics all start shorting out. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: feel like I should have remembered this episode better. But
Speaker 2: it's you know, like they're talking about obviously fringe science,
Speaker 2: and I'm going a lot of this stuff is not
Speaker 2: as fringy as it was back then, like some of
Speaker 2: it still is. It's fiction obviously, but like I'm only
Speaker 2: in the first season because it was back when TV
Speaker 2: had like twenty episodes a season rather than ten like
Speaker 2: they do now. That was one of the actually sticking
Speaker 2: points where I'm going, Man, I kind of want to
Speaker 2: watch it again, but it's one hundred episodes. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm slowly working through season one, but I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I sort of remember bits and pieces,
Speaker 2: but not much as it came out in like two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, so almost twenty years ago. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, but this is really good. Like the
Speaker 2: actual like freed and Science is actually pretty solid.
Speaker 7: I mean I think I based a lot of it
Speaker 7: on stuff that actually was going on. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: so like I said, episode five felt very very uh yeah,
Speaker 7: that's cool. Maybe I'll have to go back and rewatch
Speaker 7: at some point.
Speaker 2: The guy's blowing stuff up. Okay, yep, I know what
Speaker 2: that's like. Yeah, Yeah, surprised I didn't remember that episode more.
Speaker 2: The other thing I rewatched because I literally realized I
Speaker 2: didn't remember it at all was Galaxy Quest, I think,
Speaker 2: and that holds up. That's still funny. It is funny
Speaker 2: because I remember watching it initially thinking this is going
Speaker 2: to be stupid. And it is stupid, but it's also.
Speaker 6: F it is intentionally stupid, right, it has that.
Speaker 2: Right balance of it's not too stupid.
Speaker 7: And are they making a reboot they've been.
Speaker 2: I looked that up after I watched it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and because I feel like i'd heard something. I mean,
Speaker 7: obviously can't with what's his name who died?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Alan, So they said were they were planning a reboot?
Speaker 2: When Alan Rickman died, it kind of killed a lot
Speaker 2: of the momentum. It wasn't going to be a reboot,
Speaker 2: It's going to be a sequel movie. Yeah. And then
Speaker 2: I mean you got to figure like Tim Allen and
Speaker 2: Sigourney Weaver are now almost eighty. If they're not eighty already,
Speaker 2: you know, time for how long they're going to be
Speaker 2: able to use the original cast is limited, And again
Speaker 2: with Alan Rickman, Dad that that's you know, a major,
Speaker 2: a major person in that you know, in that cast
Speaker 2: that's gone. I guess they're they're potentially doing a TV
Speaker 2: series about it, like that will be a different cast
Speaker 2: entirely type of reboot, but they're not doing.
Speaker 7: But that's that's what I read.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, so that's I guess on hold at the
Speaker 2: moment because they can't quite figure out what they want
Speaker 2: to do. I mean, I don't know how that works
Speaker 2: in a series, Like it's a funny movie, but I
Speaker 2: fear that the series is just going to like drag
Speaker 2: out something that was better suited for a movie.
Speaker 7: Right, that's what they do pretty much. Yeah, at this
Speaker 7: point now it's like take an ip and see how
Speaker 7: much we can stratch it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's not really an idea that lends itself to
Speaker 6: a longer format. It was just brilliant as this one
Speaker 6: off thing that's you know, going back to Sorry, I
Speaker 6: can't remember what episode it was on where your recommendation
Speaker 6: was for Exit eight? Yes, And like one of the
Speaker 6: reasons that game was so phenomenal was because of how
Speaker 6: incredibly short it was. It like, it's this one brilliant
Speaker 6: idea executed perfectly, and then it's done.
Speaker 2: And I thought the movie was done right Again, I
Speaker 2: didn't know there was a there was a game. I'm
Speaker 2: watching the movie going this is this is fun. This
Speaker 2: would be a fun game. They should make a game.
Speaker 2: Is there a game I had's based on a game? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I like that sort of looping type of thing,
Speaker 2: that the sort of time loop. I sure, yeah, And
Speaker 2: I guess there's a Platform eight which is a similar thing.
Speaker 2: That's a sequel.
Speaker 6: It's a sequel. It's basically the same thing, just in
Speaker 6: a somewhat larger setting with more NPCs and stuff to
Speaker 6: keep track of. It's again it's like you play Exit eight,
Speaker 6: you get what you need to out of the concept.
Speaker 6: This is just tacking more onto it.
Speaker 2: That's what I figured. And then I saw there was
Speaker 2: another one called like the Cabin that was the same,
Speaker 2: like you have to go into the cabin and find
Speaker 2: the anomalies. And I'm like, ah, so it's just the
Speaker 2: same same thing again because one version work we added
Speaker 2: with a twist. So but I mean, the thing is
Speaker 2: it was like a buck fifty or something on Xbox,
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, yeah, I'm going to buy this.
Speaker 2: It's a dollar fifty.
Speaker 7: Yeah totally.
Speaker 2: And then I actually played it and got all the
Speaker 2: way through it and found you know, got through eight
Speaker 2: hallways and it was very enjoyable and again simplistic game,
Speaker 2: but you know, it's a fun concept. The only thing
Speaker 2: is like I don't know, like sometimes I'd be like,
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything, was it in the Japanese writing,
Speaker 2: because I'm not going to notice if the Japanese writing
Speaker 2: is different.
Speaker 6: Oh sure, yeah, yeah right it would. So it's such
Speaker 6: a great concept because like it not only works so
Speaker 6: well mechanically, but the way you have to interact with
Speaker 6: the game, it like physically instills that kind of paranoia
Speaker 6: in you as a player where you're looking at like,
Speaker 6: you know, tiny text on a poster, yep pounting, you know,
Speaker 6: floor tiles and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes it's obvious you walk in You're like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: that's the bad hall.
Speaker 6: I love the huge things because they're just so like
Speaker 6: some things are so incredibly minute you really have to
Speaker 6: like go over every detail to find them. And other
Speaker 6: times you turn the corner and there's like a shining style,
Speaker 6: flood of blood coming down all the way, right.
Speaker 2: I think that also though, it fine tunes your ability
Speaker 2: to look for those details, and you know, like it
Speaker 2: kind of helps your brain work on that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: M oh so. Some one of the things Neil Decrest
Speaker 2: Tyson said in that interview too, is he's you know,
Speaker 2: he was like dismissing witnesses, which always bugs, and he's
Speaker 2: like saying like he doesn't even understand why witnesses are
Speaker 2: allowed in a court of law, and I'm like, really, dude,
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I understand witness because he's like, our
Speaker 2: perceptions are fallible in our brain. And we've obviously talked
Speaker 2: about this plenty on this show.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, the guy with sexual assault allegations doesn't believe
Speaker 6: witness testimony. I am shocked.
Speaker 2: He uh, But like the thing is, everything is coming
Speaker 2: through our senses, Like no matter what, there's nothing that's
Speaker 2: truly empirical, because even us looking at machines is still
Speaker 2: going through our brain and interpreting. And if you have
Speaker 2: witnesses who have similar experiences, I mean, there's a body
Speaker 2: of evidence that eventually is as good as fact. It's
Speaker 2: just a matter of interpreting that again. You know, like
Speaker 2: we know there is something to the Bigfoot phenomena, whatever
Speaker 2: it is. People see this and have been seeing it forever.
Speaker 2: You can't just dismiss that be like, well that's just
Speaker 2: witness testimony. Sure, as far as discovering what it is,
Speaker 2: but as an experience, no, it's not nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean that's the whole, this idea of subjectivity and
Speaker 7: the difficulty that the scientific method has with basically, you know,
Speaker 7: people and stuff that happens in you know, the reproducibility
Speaker 7: crisis specifically has you know it really I don't want
Speaker 7: to say it's limited to but a lot of it is,
Speaker 7: or most of it is. And you know, the sort
Speaker 7: of those bleeding those edge like psychology and stuff like that,
Speaker 7: where you are starting to deal with subjective experience, which
Speaker 7: is very different than say, a chemical reaction, Right, I
Speaker 7: feel like I can say that with you know, uh confidence. Well,
Speaker 7: some people might believe that emotions are a chemical reaction.
Speaker 7: I do not think they are the cause of that.
Speaker 7: But anybody who listens to this podcast probably knows that.
Speaker 2: Well. You know, that's the thing like when they do
Speaker 2: brain studies and stuff, they're like, oh, if we stimulate
Speaker 2: this part of the brain the person smells this, it's
Speaker 2: like okay, but that doesn't mean like, but there's still
Speaker 2: an external thing that then stimulates that part of the
Speaker 2: brain that create you know what I mean, like you Yeah,
Speaker 2: just because you can find the brain part of the
Speaker 2: brain that responds to something, doesn't mean it's being created
Speaker 2: in the brain.
Speaker 6: Well, just like how you can manipulate a speaker to
Speaker 6: vibrate a certain way to produce a sound without actually
Speaker 6: playing anything through it, right.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean that's and you know a lot
Speaker 7: of people not I'm not talking about string theory here,
Speaker 7: but I'm talking about this idea of like vibrant vibration
Speaker 7: essentially being you know, and this is saying in the
Speaker 7: most the broadest way, vibration being sort of the basis
Speaker 7: for what's happening here in our three dimensional world, that
Speaker 7: we're essentially like vibrating three dimensional two dimensional objects, if
Speaker 7: that makes any sense. Yeah, Like there is you know
Speaker 7: that there's this and this is a guy I talk
Speaker 7: about all the time. It's like bentof who you know,
Speaker 7: I've seen a lot more people have been just sort
Speaker 7: of perusing through the weird paranormal you know, social sites
Speaker 7: out there, more people seem to be picking up what
Speaker 7: he's thrown down posthumously, if it oftentimes through the gateway
Speaker 7: of the that Stargate report. Did you know that's essentially
Speaker 7: what he's talking about, is, you know, this idea of vibration,
Speaker 7: and he talks about it specifically, hence the name of
Speaker 7: his book, Stalking the Pendulum, that it's this oscillation, that
Speaker 7: it's like going from one side to the other, which
Speaker 7: if you think about it, and you know he talks
Speaker 7: about this very much, is you can see mirrored in
Speaker 7: just the way things work in nature. The idea of
Speaker 7: polarity positive negative male female, you know, hot old this
Speaker 7: idea of things that have two different sort of poles
Speaker 7: and there's a bunch of stuff, you know, kind of
Speaker 7: gradients that are in between them, and that that's you know,
Speaker 7: this idea of the vibration. So our three dimensional sort
Speaker 7: of holographic body is essentially a vibration that is creating
Speaker 7: this sort of three dimensional substance. I mean, I'm saying
Speaker 7: it in the course's broadest way without any detail. But
Speaker 7: there there are some theories out there that are not
Speaker 7: string theory, which I think is generally wrong headed that
Speaker 7: you know, are interesting and have some very smart people
Speaker 7: that seem to believe in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not a fan string theory anymore than I
Speaker 2: have of a dark matter. Yeah. I mean I feel
Speaker 2: a little less like antipathy toward the string theory thing
Speaker 2: because it's not an accepted theory, right, Like it's like
Speaker 2: it's just a theory that that people are playing with. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's fine versus dark.
Speaker 7: But oftentimes people, yeah, oftentimes people think that that's like
Speaker 7: when you're talking about like vibration, they'll think that's what
Speaker 7: they mean or this whole, the whole like you know,
Speaker 7: New Age five d ascension vibration rope.
Speaker 2: But like dark matter, they're like, no, there's dark matter,
Speaker 2: we just can't prove it, right, And where where's Neil
Speaker 2: deGrasse Tyson saying, well, show me the dark matter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: now he goes along with.
Speaker 7: It because that's the except somebody's making money off it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I am not. You know, one of the reasons
Speaker 6: I am endlessly fascinated by but don't comment on anything
Speaker 6: relating to you know, physics, quantum mechanics, cosmology, anything in
Speaker 6: those realms is like they're incredibly interesting, but I have
Speaker 6: like zero knowledge basis to have anything even close to
Speaker 6: a significant opinion them. So I'll just stick you know,
Speaker 6: talking about ghosts and Bigfoot because like, well, I.
Speaker 2: Was very interested in astronomy and space science as a kid,
Speaker 2: and I've kept up with it, and I still keep
Speaker 2: up with it, like when you know, I look at
Speaker 2: all the news releases and things, but I just don't
Speaker 2: always know. Like I've gotten to the point where I know,
Speaker 2: like if they say, oh, we discovered a new black hole,
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, what did you actually discover? Okay, you
Speaker 2: got some distortions you can't explain, so you've explained it
Speaker 2: with the black hole. That's not the same as discovering
Speaker 2: a black hole. You know, it might be a black hole.
Speaker 2: I don't know, But like I feel like as scientists,
Speaker 2: they should be a little more neutral. Yeah, And they
Speaker 2: keep seeing, you know, stuff that does not fit the
Speaker 2: Big Bang model. They keep seeing stuff that does not
Speaker 2: make sense to a simple expanding universe model, and they
Speaker 2: managed to just kind of brush it under the rug
Speaker 2: even though they acknowledge it. And that's frustrating to me
Speaker 2: because again, I feel like science, the scientific method works
Speaker 2: well if it's used right, but it is such a
Speaker 2: dog of Big Bang and expansion universe and so on
Speaker 2: and so forth that it's like, you know, I it's
Speaker 2: just frustrating after a while.
Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure, which yeah, I.
Speaker 2: With string theory, it's kind of like, Okay, I mean
Speaker 2: it's possible. I can't say it's not, but there's not
Speaker 2: really any evidence for it either. But they're also not
Speaker 2: shoving it down our throat like it's like it's proven.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: It's funny. The I was reading, I think it was
Speaker 7: this is what I was reading recently was there's this
Speaker 7: one guy and I'm forgetting his name now, but he
Speaker 7: had been corresponding with Einstein about essentially about what's the
Speaker 7: name for it. It's the thing that Randall Carlson talks about,
Speaker 7: but basically the when the weight of the glacier pushes
Speaker 7: down on the continent, so it essentially makes the earth
Speaker 7: like bulge on either side, as if you like, you know,
Speaker 7: put a big weight in a middle in the middle
Speaker 7: of like Plato, where it'll like displace it. And the
Speaker 7: idea essentially being that like during the ice Age, when
Speaker 7: the thing it's like isostatic russure or something essentially that
Speaker 7: the ice pushing down on top of the whole. You know,
Speaker 7: sea levels being different because of water being caught up
Speaker 7: in ice or you know, the poles being in different
Speaker 7: places that maybe on top of that, but in addition that,
Speaker 7: you know, when you have like four miles five miles
Speaker 7: of ice on top of your continent, what happens is
Speaker 7: that it restes down and then everything else bulges on
Speaker 7: either side, right, And so that essentially you were getting
Speaker 7: a bulge in the mid Atlantic ridge, so that the
Speaker 7: Azores were higher, and you're basically getting Atlantis there or
Speaker 7: whatever it was called. And that this guy had been
Speaker 7: corresponding with and sending his findings to Einstein shortly before
Speaker 7: his death. In Einstein was like, this is amazing. This
Speaker 7: all looks right on to me, and you know, nobody
Speaker 7: talks about that. And that's also this theory that's now
Speaker 7: been sort of swept under the rug, or at least
Speaker 7: most people don't think about it in terms of consensus.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I mean, the definitely were above a budge
Speaker 2: of the land. There was definitely provenly above sea level
Speaker 2: like twelve thousand years.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I guess there's this idea that there could
Speaker 7: be even more like this, and I freak. I think
Speaker 7: it's isostatic something, but it would be along with you know,
Speaker 7: plate tectonics, you know, So it's not saying that plate
Speaker 7: tech tonks isn't true. It's just this other phenomenon that
Speaker 7: you know, we're dealing with.
Speaker 2: Well, there are areas like along the border of the
Speaker 2: US and Canada where the ice sheets at you are
Speaker 2: still seeing those areas uplift every year.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, it's happening in the around the Great Lakes
Speaker 7: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's the thing. One side of the Great
Speaker 2: Lakes is getting deeper and the others getting more shallow.
Speaker 2: I think it's Lake Michigan, and that's the isostatic rebound.
Speaker 7: Yeah, isostatic rebound. Thank you, Yes, just to you.
Speaker 6: Know, Devil's advocate that that. I'm not questioning any of
Speaker 6: it to a significant degree. Again, I don't have any
Speaker 6: way to judge, but whether or not Einstein found validity
Speaker 6: in that ideain Stein also wasn't a geologist.
Speaker 7: True, true, true, completely true. Yeah, I'm just I think
Speaker 7: it was more thinking about like how that's not something
Speaker 7: people think about. But then and sort of in pop
Speaker 7: I guess in popular form if that were to come out,
Speaker 7: you know, everybody'd be like, oh, Einstein said it was true. Yeah,
Speaker 7: well Einstein's right, you're right, Matt. I think that's a
Speaker 7: good point.
Speaker 2: Einstein was a very open minded individual. That's why he
Speaker 2: figured out so much stuff that he figured out, and
Speaker 2: you know, it may end up.
Speaker 7: And he was wrong, and he admitted to being right.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, and that's what should be the marker. That's
Speaker 2: what we need. People who are fully willing to be like, oh, nope,
Speaker 2: I was wrong. You know. He was a friend of Velakovsky's.
Speaker 2: He liked Velikovsky's ideas of the electric universe. He liked
Speaker 2: Charles Hapgood's poll shift hypothesis, both of which are absolutely
Speaker 2: snubbed by science. So I mean, but again, he was
Speaker 2: open minded enough to actually look at the stuff and
Speaker 2: be like, no, this actually does make sense. This is
Speaker 2: a possibility.
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Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: So, as we were talking about cognition and stuff, I
Speaker 2: had happened to happen to look this is a pop
Speaker 2: side article and I looked at it because it was
Speaker 2: like three buttons that don't actually do anything. And the
Speaker 2: first one, this girl I dated years ago used to
Speaker 2: argue with me because I would say that the walk
Speaker 2: buttons at stop lights don't do anything, and so the
Speaker 2: article the first thing is pedestrian buttons may or may
Speaker 2: not do anything.
Speaker 7: Oh that's hilarious.
Speaker 6: I mean the audio ones do, now, do they?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Don't you the ones that you have the signal?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we have the signal for people who are
Speaker 7: hard of hearing.
Speaker 2: Right, But does it actually change the light to walk
Speaker 2: when you push it.
Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know about that, but I know there
Speaker 6: are what used to be the same walk buttons before
Speaker 6: will now like actually vocalize visual impaired people, so like
Speaker 6: prior to that, I have no idea if they actually
Speaker 6: did anything or if they were just there to play
Speaker 6: k people. But like the buttons, at least the audio
Speaker 6: ones do have an actual function now.
Speaker 2: It's at An official told CNN that only around one
Speaker 2: hundred of a thousand crosswalk buttons in the New York
Speaker 2: City actually do anything. The Boston Globe has reported that
Speaker 2: the buttons in and around downtown areas of the city
Speaker 2: aren't functional. In the UK, the BBC has reported that
Speaker 2: the buttons in downtown London are completely superfluous. During the day,
Speaker 2: when pedestrian traffic is high, the lights trigger out the
Speaker 2: same time routine, regardless of any button presses. The buttons do, however,
Speaker 2: work in the evening when the pedestrians traffic slows down,
Speaker 2: and it basically says bottom traffic lights are designed to
Speaker 2: allow the flow of traffic to be consistent the general
Speaker 2: ideas that cars driving a speed limit should more or
Speaker 2: less it green lights more often than not. So if
Speaker 2: you had people pushing buttons every time they wanted to
Speaker 2: cross the road, it would screw all that up. So
Speaker 2: you know, I saw that. And this says, like elevator
Speaker 2: closed door buttons don't work immediately, and that's because of
Speaker 2: a Disabilities Act. So they have to stay open a
Speaker 2: certain amount of time, so someone who has a disability
Speaker 2: will have the time to get in the elevator. You
Speaker 2: can't just close them out. And then it gets to
Speaker 2: this one where it says your office thermostat might be
Speaker 2: a lie. And this is why I'm bringing it up
Speaker 2: on the show. So it said a two thousand and
Speaker 2: three article published by the Well Street Journal were yields
Speaker 2: something that many office workers have already suspected. Some office
Speaker 2: thermostats don't actually do anything. The article includes a widely
Speaker 2: cited claim from a single HVAC installer that up to
Speaker 2: ninety percent of the office thermostats are fake. And that's
Speaker 2: almost certainly not true, and the article itself does set
Speaker 2: other experts say the number is below two percent. But
Speaker 2: why is it that certain? Why is it certain? Is what? No?
Speaker 2: What is certain is that at least some make thermostats exist.
Speaker 2: Why to reduce complaints. A twenty two article published by
Speaker 2: prop Moto, a real estate trade publication, quotes an HVAC
Speaker 2: installer who claims to have installed a fake thermostat after
Speaker 2: a number of complaints from office workers. Our service calls disappeared,
Speaker 2: and to my knowledge, the system is still set up
Speaker 2: and working as it has since nineteen eighty seven. And
Speaker 2: this is in Rochester, New York. Local to me, it's sad,
Speaker 2: it's a good story and points to a psychological reality.
Speaker 2: Be able to make choices about our environment is psychologically beneficial.
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy six study by psychologists Judith Rodin and
Speaker 2: Ellen Langer gave some nursing home residents control over small
Speaker 2: things in their environment, which plants they wanted to care for,
Speaker 2: for example, or when to watch a movie. Another floor
Speaker 2: was told staff would make these choices. The residents able
Speaker 2: to make choices were more alert, active, and even died
Speaker 2: at a lower rate. There's decades of similar research showing
Speaker 2: that control over your environment leads to real benefits. So
Speaker 2: cibo buttons are what happens when designers notice this psychological
Speaker 2: reality and try to get the benefit on the cheat.
Speaker 2: A working office termstat will require either letting employees actually
Speaker 2: change the temperature, which costs money, or running more responsive
Speaker 2: HVAX or a more responsive HVAC system, but a button
Speaker 2: that looks like it works costs basically nothing. That may
Speaker 2: be brilliant, evil or both. It's a matter of perspective regardless.
Speaker 2: Placibo buttons lurk all around us. And I thought that
Speaker 2: was interesting in the respect that you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: giving people choices is important. And I've always had this
Speaker 2: natural instinct like they would. There was something at work
Speaker 2: when I worked at best Buy and I can't remember
Speaker 2: what they said, but we're not allowed to do this anymore.
Speaker 2: And I was kind of like, well, now now I'm
Speaker 2: angry about that. It doesn't affect me at all, but
Speaker 2: like I'm annoyed that we're no longer allowed to do that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, having just switched over to a district manager who
Speaker 6: is that kind of obsessive micromanaging down to the smallest
Speaker 6: detail of life that you can control, I'm like biting
Speaker 6: my tongue so hard right now, it's going to bleed.
Speaker 2: But you know, like if you're if you're I think
Speaker 2: if you have that sense of you know, choices are yours,
Speaker 2: that it how can I put this? Like it does
Speaker 2: give you something to move forward through, whereas if you're
Speaker 2: just being told what you're going to do, you lose,
Speaker 2: you lose any reason of care, Like you don't have
Speaker 2: to make decisions like I noticed when I had to
Speaker 2: take when I had to take a lot of the
Speaker 2: stuff away from my mom that she was doing because
Speaker 2: she was making some very bad mistakes, especially with money,
Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, you can't do this anymore.
Speaker 2: And I felt bad, but like, you know, she paid
Speaker 2: six hundred dollars, saying that should have been sixty bucks,
Speaker 2: and she didn't have it. She just wrote the chance,
Speaker 2: she wrote the checkout for six hundred dollars, and then
Speaker 2: she's like, you need to fix it, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you sent them six hundred dollars, what do you want
Speaker 2: me to do? You know? But eventually I had to
Speaker 2: take it away from her, and I realized that like
Speaker 2: her decline increased when she didn't have those things to
Speaker 2: do well, she didn't have those decisions to make anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so I think the more society puts rules on us,
Speaker 2: the more that that degrades quality of life in general.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, oh absolutely, I agree. I mean, I
Speaker 7: think that's one of the things then, especially you know,
Speaker 7: I mean I think it also goes into control systems too,
Speaker 7: because if you think about you know, particularly if you're
Speaker 7: again I'm not saying there's a bunch of people who
Speaker 7: are in a you know, a darkened room planning this out,
Speaker 7: but you know, as certain you know, trends in I
Speaker 7: don't know, work, culture and behavior, you know, and just
Speaker 7: in general the way that the world works, people will
Speaker 7: take on, you know, and sort of institute things on
Speaker 7: an industrial and institutional scale that are essentially to keep
Speaker 7: people busy, you know what I mean, or to control
Speaker 7: them in a way that is, you know, maybe giving
Speaker 7: a little bit of that placebo so that they don't
Speaker 7: so they feel like they have control but they don't.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think that's how a lot of uh
Speaker 7: isn't that or maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong, but I
Speaker 7: believe that that is how a lot of tech is engineered,
Speaker 7: you know, in the sort of way that it is
Speaker 7: engineered so that it is giving you a false sense
Speaker 7: of control, but you are actually being controlled. Long and
Speaker 7: short of it, I'm sort of long winded there, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm always annoyed.
Speaker 6: In short play the Stanley Parable, Yeah, pretty much, which
Speaker 6: is what It's a great video game where oh yes, yeah,
Speaker 6: oh yeah, okay, explain it to people. So you are
Speaker 6: essentially just walking around in office, listening to a narrator
Speaker 6: describing what you're doing, and also somewhat being in conflict
Speaker 6: with the narrator over the choices you're quote not supposed
Speaker 6: to make. But the whole crux of the game is
Speaker 6: just hammering home the point that no matter how far
Speaker 6: off the narrator's script you go, everything you're able to
Speaker 6: do within the game is still pre thought and planned
Speaker 6: out by the developers, a specific intentional path you're allowed
Speaker 6: to take.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the brilliant little game HM also very cheap on
Speaker 2: Steam if I remember right, At least when I picked
Speaker 2: it up, my sound guy was obsessed with it. I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure drove his girlfriend crazy. Yeah, because in the
Speaker 2: end it doesn't really go anywhere. But was I gonna
Speaker 2: it was? Sometimes? Was gonna say about what you just said?
Speaker 2: What did you talk about just before the Stanley Parible, Chris.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, I think I was talking about control
Speaker 7: systems and like.
Speaker 2: Tech, Yeah, a lot of time, So like what I
Speaker 2: what I've seen over the years is that computer programs
Speaker 2: and computer systems in general slowly try to remove your choices.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, and it's like, oh, I like this program
Speaker 2: and then they update it and it's like, wait, where
Speaker 2: are all the options? Like I don't like these options.
Speaker 2: I liked it the way I had it, you know, yeah, totally, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, and it's one of those things with like
Speaker 2: Mac versus PC. Like Mac has a set way it
Speaker 2: expects people to do things, and they and it makes
Speaker 2: it very easy for people to use a Mac doing that.
Speaker 2: But if you want to get into like nitty gritty
Speaker 2: little little things, Mac doesn't like that. He ses a
Speaker 2: little bit easier, but they're also going in that direction.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and software too, I mean I remember, you know,
Speaker 7: that's something that a lot of times with media production software,
Speaker 7: you know either I mean I usually know it from
Speaker 7: the video side of things, and maybe it's true with
Speaker 7: audio too. You know, Final Cut comes out with like
Speaker 7: a new version. I mean, I don't use final Cut anymore,
Speaker 7: but whatever, and it's you know, it's like dumbed down
Speaker 7: to make it more like user friendly, but you have
Speaker 7: less granular ability to adjust things. And professionals we hate that,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's it exactly. I want to be able
Speaker 2: to tweet things so it works like I want it
Speaker 2: to work, like I don't care if it's updated. That's cool.
Speaker 2: If it's updated, great, but like, still give me the options.
Speaker 2: Like there's a program I used for years called sea
Speaker 2: Cleaner that started as Crap Cleaner, and they made it
Speaker 2: sea Cleaner to be a little more PC. But like
Speaker 2: the new version of it auto installs and then makes
Speaker 2: it so that it's very hard to not have it
Speaker 2: start with your computer. Yeah, Like before you could just
Speaker 2: take it out of the startup startup entries, so it's
Speaker 2: not in there anymore. Now it's like a scheduled task
Speaker 2: or something, which makes it that much harder to take out.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, nope, now you're getting uninstalled because you're
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, be difficult. You're you're limiting what
Speaker 2: I what I'm allowed to do with you. So yeah,
Speaker 2: to me, it's all about options, and yeah, technology doesn't
Speaker 2: want to give that to you. My phone, I got
Speaker 2: a new Pixel ten phone because I got it almost
Speaker 2: for free, and it does this thing where it randomly
Speaker 2: will turn my volume down to nothing and tell me,
Speaker 2: I'm listening to it too loud. And sometimes sometimes it'll
Speaker 2: do it, like it did it twice yesterday, and like
Speaker 2: I don't think it did it at all for like
Speaker 2: a few days prior. It's completely random, and apparently it's
Speaker 2: meant for if you're wearing headphones, but I think it's
Speaker 2: only ever done it once when I was wearing headphones,
Speaker 2: because it's not cranked when I'm wearing headphones. But both
Speaker 2: of my cars are too old to have bluetooth, So
Speaker 2: I have a little like ten dollars FM receiver Bluetooth transmitter,
Speaker 2: so the phone connects to that and that broadcasts on
Speaker 2: a radio station, and I just tuned the radio the
Speaker 2: radio to that, and I can, you know, bluetooth into
Speaker 2: the car stereo. So I'll be listening to a podcast
Speaker 2: or a book and all of a sudden, it's just gone.
Speaker 2: And the first time it happened, I almost got into
Speaker 2: an accident because I was startled and I looked down.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what what just happened? You know, like mid sentence,
Speaker 2: it was just gone, and I slightly veered into the
Speaker 2: other lane with a car coming the other way, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa what? And then I had to pull
Speaker 2: over and be like, what just happened to my phone?
Speaker 2: And I pull it open, it's like your volume has
Speaker 2: been turned down to preserve your hearing. And I'm like, what, No,
Speaker 2: you don't do that.
Speaker 6: You know, And what better preserver hearing than getting in
Speaker 6: a power crash.
Speaker 2: Right, Because it's disorienting when you're like listening to something
Speaker 2: intently and suddenly it just stops. Your natural reaction is
Speaker 2: to look down and see what's going on. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I actually wrote them like feedback, and I'm like, please
Speaker 2: make this an option. And I looked in a you know,
Speaker 2: like I looked up how I could turn it off,
Speaker 2: and like other people were complaining about it for the
Speaker 2: same reason that it's distracting and annoying and there's no
Speaker 2: way to turn it off. Like it just decides because
Speaker 2: what happens is I turned the phone up to full volume,
Speaker 2: because if I turn the radio up more, I get
Speaker 2: more static. Like I have it at a volume level
Speaker 2: where I don't hear any static, but if I turn
Speaker 2: it up too much louder, I will hear static because
Speaker 2: it's a radio signal, you know, but the phone thinks
Speaker 2: it's a headphone. It thinks it's on headphones. It thinks
Speaker 2: that's a headphone thing. And the thing to change that
Speaker 2: is grade out, So I can't shift it, I can't
Speaker 2: tell it it's going to speakers, you know. And so
Speaker 2: it's just like, I don't want this to be an
Speaker 2: automatic feature. Stop doing things for me that I didn't
Speaker 2: ask for. And that seems to be the way of
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 6: Well, I deal with this all the time at work,
Speaker 6: where every time they you know again massive air quotes
Speaker 6: update our system, like it just takes away so many
Speaker 6: functionalities or makes things needlessly obtuse or just much more
Speaker 6: difficult to work with. It is incredibly rare where they
Speaker 6: know again air quote fix something in the pharmacy system
Speaker 6: that actually makes things work better.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it's like nothing works right anymore, if
Speaker 2: you guys, that's.
Speaker 7: The the you know, I won't say this on the air,
Speaker 7: but the inbleepification of everything. And I believe that's more
Speaker 7: not Brow came up with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just and it's not just because of AI either.
Speaker 2: It's like simple things like websites, you know, Like, no,
Speaker 2: it's not just AI. No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: not at all. It's like technology in general. I had
Speaker 2: I had someone who wanted to cancel their McAfee, and
Speaker 2: I went, Okay, let's go on the website. We click
Speaker 2: on support and it goes page not found. Oh, McAfee's
Speaker 2: support page is not found. That's wonderful. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: got a phone number. I'm like, here, just call them,
Speaker 2: you know, But like, that's almost inexcusable for a company
Speaker 2: of that size.
Speaker 7: Doesn't McAfee. Isn't that guy like, I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 7: somebody else runs it now, But isn't he he like
Speaker 7: a crazy Oh isn't he dead? He might not assassinate him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember the story there, but he left
Speaker 2: the company a long time ago. He actually made videos
Speaker 2: about how crappy the virus protection was. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 2: just astonishing to me how many websites just completely failed
Speaker 2: to function. And it's one thing if it's like a
Speaker 2: person doing it and it's not working one hundred percent. Well,
Speaker 2: you get these big companies and it does this. It's like,
Speaker 2: there's no excuse for this, and this fits right in there.
Speaker 2: Fake academic journals are publishing AI generated papers under real
Speaker 2: professor's names.
Speaker 7: Not surprised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A network of fake ACA demic journals masquerading as
Speaker 2: legitimate publications, has published more than one hundred AI generated
Speaker 2: papers in recent months, in some cases using the names
Speaker 2: of real professors at top universities without their knowledge. Boy, now,
Speaker 2: what is that say about the peer review pot process? Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like a you should be able to tell it's
Speaker 2: AI generated, and there are programs to help you tell
Speaker 2: if something's AI generated.
Speaker 7: There are a lot of false positives with those. Unfortunately,
Speaker 7: I have heard that in something that I wrote, and
Speaker 7: it'll be like AI.
Speaker 2: I read a meme where this guy was talking like
Speaker 2: chat GBT in a meeting and it was pissing everyone off.
Speaker 7: That's good.
Speaker 2: I like that, and I'm like, ah, kudos to him,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, right, and then someone joked that who
Speaker 2: because it was like a supposed to be like an
Speaker 2: official letter to him about his behavior, and the person
Speaker 2: who posted just like, yeah, they probably wrote the letter
Speaker 2: with chat GBT, right, Yeah, this is not the direction
Speaker 2: we need to go in. I mean, you know, Jeff
Speaker 2: Ritzman always say like, well, maybe AI would be uh
Speaker 2: would come up with interesting stuff as far as like
Speaker 2: the paranormal goes. Maybe we could develop it to have
Speaker 2: sensors that it would be able to see things that
Speaker 2: we can't see. Sure, And uh yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to go that way unfortunately.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think it could have had the possibility too,
Speaker 7: if people had you know, been more ethical the ones
Speaker 7: who were, you know, behind it. But it seems like
Speaker 7: at this point now it's just going to be used
Speaker 7: for warfare, warfare and like slop content. I don't know,
Speaker 7: well that.
Speaker 2: It's also it's also feeding from itself.
Speaker 7: Well, that's the worst thing about it is that it's
Speaker 7: it's it becomes incestuous and it's like a copy of
Speaker 7: a copy of a copy. It's like xerox and stuff.
Speaker 7: It gets worse. It's like that Michael Keaton film Multiplicity.
Speaker 7: Everybody remember that one. No, he makes copies of clone
Speaker 7: copies of himself and they get dumber and dumber and dumber.
Speaker 7: That's That's a Nies movie.
Speaker 2: That's on my list of things to possibly rewatch because
Speaker 2: it's like I know I saw it, but I couldn't
Speaker 2: tell you a single thing about it, kind of like
Speaker 2: Galaxy Quest. I can tell you the premise of Galaxy Quest,
Speaker 2: and that was it. Like with Fringe, rewatching it, like
Speaker 2: I remember certain bits, and then there's things where I'm going, oh,
Speaker 2: I think this is going to happen, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: am I remembering that? Or am I figuring that out?
Speaker 2: And I can't tell right because it's also I mean
Speaker 2: a lot of TV shows are predictable, you know. I
Speaker 2: mean there's a certain formula. Oh yeah. So I same
Speaker 2: ex girlfriend that had the button thing. I used to
Speaker 2: drive her crazy because we'd watch like Monk and you'd
Speaker 2: get the opening sequence and I'd be like, Oh, here's
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. And it's not because Monk was
Speaker 2: badly written, but it was written in such a way
Speaker 2: that they gave you everything in that first scene. You
Speaker 2: just had to know how to look for it.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's the police
Speaker 7: crime procedural thing. That's like, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, here's what's going to happen. And she'd
Speaker 2: been like stop it, you know, and I'm like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm just how my brain works.
Speaker 7: Don't ruin it. Yeah, sometimes people like that. I like
Speaker 7: to know what happens beforehand.
Speaker 2: I like to know if I'm right, you know, Like
Speaker 2: did I just deduce this correctly. That that's good information
Speaker 2: for me. So anyway, we got to take a break.
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Speaker 2: This is a well I call it an epic science
Speaker 2: fiction novel that's pretty pretty accurate. Christopher Paolini I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of fantasy stuff and it says this is
Speaker 2: a first adult science fiction novel. It's it's really good
Speaker 2: it's really really good and it has some fantastics in it.
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Speaker 2: But if you're looking for some really, really good sci fi,
Speaker 2: this is a book you should you should read. And
Speaker 2: the title Do You Sleep and to See the Stars?
Speaker 2: I love that. It's just a fantastic title, and it's
Speaker 2: it's a very epic story. It starts out and I
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Speaker 2: out almost like it's going to be like this sci
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Speaker 2: just it's really really good. So that is my recommendation
Speaker 2: for this week. Now back to the show. So you're
Speaker 2: listening to Where Did the Road Go? And I'm here
Speaker 2: with Chris Ernstein. Matt Festa, the Nameless Matt Festa.
Speaker 6: That is the mat of many names. Yeahthotep, I can't
Speaker 6: say it, or I'd call you that.
Speaker 2: So there were a couple of things you wanted to
Speaker 2: comment on previous shows?
Speaker 6: Matt, Yes, I was recently catching up on a few
Speaker 6: of your most current episodes and on the AMA episode.
Speaker 6: I can't remember who it was that had asked this,
Speaker 6: so forgive me for forgetting your name. If you're out there.
Speaker 6: They had asked a question about what you thought was
Speaker 6: the best or how did they phrase it? Something like
Speaker 6: your Steelman argument for the et H if there was
Speaker 6: any specific UFO event that you would lump into that category.
Speaker 6: And this isn't going to be an answer to that question,
Speaker 6: because what I wanted to bring up was the book
Speaker 6: Remote Viewing UFOs and Their Visitors, which you know, remote
Speaker 6: Viewing UFOs. It's stacking mystery on top of mystery, so
Speaker 6: it's not evidence for anything, right, But are you familiar
Speaker 6: with this book at all?
Speaker 2: Either of you? What's it called remote viewing?
Speaker 7: You?
Speaker 6: Remote viewing the US?
Speaker 7: Who's the author? Okay, it sounds familiar, but I don't
Speaker 7: know if I Yeah, it might be one of those
Speaker 7: things that I have in my like DF library that
Speaker 7: I have not looked at yet. It sounds awesome and
Speaker 7: if I have it, I'm going to read it immediately.
Speaker 2: So what what what did you find with this?
Speaker 6: Well, for anyone unfamiliar with the book, what this was in.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure what specific timeframe he was still doing this,
Speaker 6: but Jill mcmonagall, who you know, I'm sure people are
Speaker 6: aware one of the original remote viewers had just as
Speaker 6: a private seen.
Speaker 7: Some of this material. I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, yeah, as a private service, just through his
Speaker 6: regular website. And I doubt he's still doing this. He's
Speaker 6: got to be in his eighties or something at this point,
Speaker 6: if he's even still around. Anyway, he would people could
Speaker 6: submit their queries for whatever they wanted remote viewing, and
Speaker 6: his team or assistance or whoever would assign it just
Speaker 6: a number and do their standard you know, double blind
Speaker 6: remote viewing protocol. He would do a reading on it
Speaker 6: and then send them the info. So what Tonse wanted,
Speaker 6: it's such a fun name to say. What he decided
Speaker 6: to do was to send in as the queries like
Speaker 6: a string of just famous UFO encounters.
Speaker 1: And what is.
Speaker 6: Utterly fascinating about this book is how completely different some
Speaker 6: each event is. Some of them are you know, completely
Speaker 6: mundane astrological phenomena that was misidentified. Some of them have
Speaker 6: outright spiritual explanations. Some of them are related to military stuff,
Speaker 6: and on and on, like there's you would think if
Speaker 6: this was someone with their own specific agenda or trying
Speaker 6: to push any set narrative, that they would have a
Speaker 6: consistent framework behind it. But each basically each one of
Speaker 6: these had totally different explanations behind them. One of them
Speaker 6: that I definitely want to go back and reread because
Speaker 6: the book came out, oh maybe twenty fifteen or so,
Speaker 6: was the reading on Rendelshum to see like with all
Speaker 6: the stuff that's come out about that since then, like
Speaker 6: how much it matches up. But one of the very
Speaker 6: few events in the book that came back with an
Speaker 6: actual etch related explanation was I think it was a
Speaker 6: Japanese aircraft in the eighties, just right, not one in Alaska. Yes,
Speaker 6: that one.
Speaker 7: The JL Oh yeah, that's the famous one. Oh I
Speaker 7: love this one.
Speaker 6: Okay. So for again, for people unaware, commercial flights so
Speaker 6: are not commercial flight excuse me, cargo flights. So there
Speaker 6: were only like, you know, three or so people on
Speaker 6: board at the time. They're crossing over somewhere either over
Speaker 6: Alaska or in that thereabouts.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and they're in that area where like the notorious
Speaker 7: area where like Linda Malton House says, there's a like
Speaker 7: a giant black pyramid or something.
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, buried underground.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's near I think Denali, Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 7: somewhere around there anyway.
Speaker 6: Anyway, so he submits for the reading on that, and
Speaker 6: the reading that mcmonagle gives on this is that it was,
Speaker 6: you know, a literal UFO in the sense of a
Speaker 6: physical craft sent to Earth from another location. But the
Speaker 6: specifics he gave on it were so fascinating because it
Speaker 6: wasn't alien in the sense of actual alien beings being
Speaker 6: on board of it, but that it was basically a
Speaker 6: colle uscle drone doing remote observation for And again he,
Speaker 6: like even in the reading, couldn't give explanations in details
Speaker 6: on certain things like names or locations or whatever, because
Speaker 6: anytime he would try to see that the either failure
Speaker 6: rejection however you want to term his inability to see
Speaker 6: it was that what he was trying to perceive was
Speaker 6: from the perspective of whatever sent this craft, and it
Speaker 6: was like something that he wasn't able to translate in
Speaker 6: any way. But essentially what this craft is like I said,
Speaker 6: it's a colossal remote vehicle and his I was shocked.
Speaker 6: Reading some of these readings because they go into such
Speaker 6: exacting detail like schematics and measurements and everything that this
Speaker 6: craft was on sort of an autopilot, and just by
Speaker 6: happenstance where the aircraft was relative to this drone, the
Speaker 6: drone interpreted, you know, having a large metal craft of
Speaker 6: that size in that proximity, thought it was one of
Speaker 6: these smaller drones that essentially would be docking onto it.
Speaker 6: So the reason it was following the airplane is that
Speaker 6: it thought it was one of the drones that needed
Speaker 6: to dock on it and was like going into this
Speaker 6: specific mirroring flight pattern. Two, let it get onto it,
Speaker 6: and eventually whatever systems would be involved in something like
Speaker 6: this realized it wasn't what it was supposed to be
Speaker 6: picking up and just turned away.
Speaker 7: Yeah that is fascinating, Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is a really Again, you can't use this
Speaker 6: book as capital eat evidence for anything, because it is
Speaker 6: a mystery stacked on mysteries, but the depth and breadth
Speaker 6: of different interpretations of what some of these events are
Speaker 6: are just fascinating.
Speaker 7: Some of that stuff, some of the remote viewing stuff,
Speaker 7: I really like. I really love reading it. In particular,
Speaker 7: thinking of I think it might have been McGonagall again,
Speaker 7: or either or pat Rice and they were remote viewing,
Speaker 7: like or maybe it was Ingo Swan. There's a bunch
Speaker 7: of crazy stuff they remote viewed, like, uh, what's the
Speaker 7: place in Australia Pine Gap? That was an interesting one
Speaker 7: remote viewing like the other planets and stuff like that, But.
Speaker 6: That was Swan.
Speaker 7: That was Swan. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Pine Gap is a weird place. It is.
Speaker 7: I've never been there, but yes, well.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the military base right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's in Australia though, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But military base.
Speaker 7: Oh no, Pine Gap is the one that's out in Uh,
Speaker 7: that's the one that's in Australia and near Alice Springs.
Speaker 7: But it's a US military or like a UN military base.
Speaker 7: Oh okay, okay, yeah there might be another. Yeah, I
Speaker 7: might be another one that the air thinking.
Speaker 2: Very well could be. I know it was in the
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere in Australia.
Speaker 7: And there's a lot of Pine Gap.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, a lot of weird UFO stuff associated
Speaker 2: with it. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well he was like I feel like, if I remember
Speaker 7: it correctly, like the reading of it was like it
Speaker 7: was like a really like cavernous like they said it
Speaker 7: was like a viewing station or something like that. They
Speaker 7: were like, I see something where there's like, uh, it
Speaker 7: was like a lot of screens or like but but
Speaker 7: like cyclopean or something. I don't know, maybe I'm remembering it.
Speaker 6: What else you got, Matt, for remote viewing or for
Speaker 6: just other from the response for the show. The other
Speaker 6: one that stuck out to me a lot was with
Speaker 6: the most recent Stephen Myrra episode. How I mean it
Speaker 6: was for anyone that hasn't listened to that one yet,
Speaker 6: his whole discussion of apports and how they are sort
Speaker 6: of physical anchor I think he uses for the phenomena
Speaker 6: to attach to locations people whatnot.
Speaker 2: Quantum anchor I think he called it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And what was so interesting to me in the
Speaker 6: way he was describing these things, and again this could
Speaker 6: be just a facet of our language and our inability
Speaker 6: to just have a broader vocabulary to describe this phenomena. Yet,
Speaker 6: was that even when he was talking about them as
Speaker 6: purely almost in a mechanical sense of like this is
Speaker 6: what the physical object is, how it mimics way it
Speaker 6: would attach things. Even in that the language he was
Speaker 6: using was always still identifying the other side of this
Speaker 6: phenomena in an almost personified way, like talking about the
Speaker 6: intention behind it and different thought us is like whether
Speaker 6: that is the actual interpretation he's coming to or completely
Speaker 6: divorced from that the language we have available to us
Speaker 6: to describe this phenomena, whether that has any relation to
Speaker 6: the underlying reality behind it or not, is still so
Speaker 6: deeply personified as a distinct, conscious other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, his research is just phenomenal. That that whole
Speaker 2: conversation was just kind of mind blowing. But yeah, the
Speaker 2: anchor thing was I mean, yeah, like the one story
Speaker 2: he told about the urn being found in the wall
Speaker 2: after reappearing, and then another one being found in the
Speaker 2: wall when they did, you know, the renovations or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, okay, I can't. I don't know what
Speaker 2: to make of that, Like what the hell so?
Speaker 6: And also that specific one how the family like was
Speaker 6: so and I think they did ultimately just not say no,
Speaker 6: you can't take this to do whatever kind of chemical
Speaker 6: or physical analysis of it that he wanted to do.
Speaker 6: Again because of that personified intention behind this phenomena, you
Speaker 6: have to wonder if again via either trickster elements or
Speaker 6: just how huge part of this is doubt and uncertainty.
Speaker 6: If that specific object was chosen for this because it
Speaker 6: was known, he wouldn't be able to examine it in detail.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the one he did do the analysis of was
Speaker 2: just a coffee mug, and that was I mean, we
Speaker 2: talked about that on the previous show with him, and
Speaker 2: it just still stuck in my head because that's I mean,
Speaker 2: I always assumed at ports were just you know, kind
Speaker 2: of like teleporting you know, blinking out, blinking back in
Speaker 2: type of thing, but his analysis is suggesting they're being
Speaker 2: rebuilt basically.
Speaker 6: Or being built from scratch and replacing what was there
Speaker 6: with its whole like mimic idea, which I love just
Speaker 6: because it's like, oh yeah, D and D mimics are real.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And then when he said that, you know,
Speaker 2: moving the the item, can you know, move the activity temporarily,
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, that's interesting because it does kind of
Speaker 2: support his anchor theory. But also the stuff does go
Speaker 2: back to where it was coming from, you know, like
Speaker 2: it only moves it temporarily, which is interesting.
Speaker 6: Well, it's kind of like beehive how if you pick
Speaker 6: up and move to hive, they will still find it,
Speaker 6: but it takes the drones a while to figure out
Speaker 6: where it went to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone had actually thrown an AMA question after we
Speaker 2: had recorded the AMA Show about Mirror's stuff. He said,
Speaker 2: I'm interested in your thoughts. This was groggy. I'm interested
Speaker 2: in your thoughts on the concept of superposition archetype manifestation
Speaker 2: as a way to explain the variation to how nhi
Speaker 2: are perceived. While not specifically using this phrase, Steve Mira
Speaker 2: and Nathali Nathaniel Gillis and their recent discussions seem to
Speaker 2: be referring to something similar as the quantum consciousness mechanism
Speaker 2: by which nhis have interacted with humans throughout history. I
Speaker 2: honestly don't fully get all of those references, because I.
Speaker 6: Was about to say, that's a lot of words that
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 7: I think it's essentially talking about this idea of superposition,
Speaker 7: you know, where it's like one quantum particle can have
Speaker 7: basically can be in more than one place at the
Speaker 7: same time, you know, or they can communicate with one another.
Speaker 7: It's a spooky action at a distance. So if you
Speaker 7: have entangled particles that are on opposite sides of the
Speaker 7: universe that can communicate with one another. I understood that
Speaker 7: part and then I think, yeah, that's probably it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it could be something like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, we could have an other that is that
Speaker 2: understands how to entangle that entangle things in some way.
Speaker 7: But I mean entanglement goes back to this whole idea
Speaker 7: that essentially there are you know, I mean, we can
Speaker 7: all them fields of some sort for lack of a
Speaker 7: better term, that exists interpenetrating our own, you know, reality
Speaker 7: that for some reason our instruments cannot attech and you know, yes,
Speaker 7: maybe it has to do with scale and size, so quantum,
Speaker 7: you know, being the smallest thing, but I think it
Speaker 7: goes beyond scale and size, and that there's something that
Speaker 7: you know, we just have to understand that we're limited
Speaker 7: in our ability to understand and see everything, measure things,
Speaker 7: you know, sense things, that there are some things that
Speaker 7: we cannot sense with our material instruments that exist there
Speaker 7: and that you know, that field or whatever it is
Speaker 7: is link and you know, the thing is is that
Speaker 7: you know, when you hit the wall and science, all
Speaker 7: you have to do is turned to spirituality, religion and
Speaker 7: the occult, and all of a sudden you have myriad
Speaker 7: different people and you know, myths and histories that talk
Speaker 7: about this idea of everything being connected at the you know,
Speaker 7: the the spiritual or the consciousness level or whatever you
Speaker 7: want to call it. And yeah, maybe we're not getting
Speaker 7: the whole picture of the details of it, but it's
Speaker 7: something all along those lines, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's you know, that's what I think of
Speaker 7: a lot. And again, it doesn't you know, you're answering
Speaker 7: your You're answering your question with another unknown. But right
Speaker 7: for me, I guess I don't have I don't have
Speaker 7: a problem with that. I sort of accept a lot
Speaker 7: of unknowns as you know, truth, I guess maybe or
Speaker 7: existing at least.
Speaker 2: Uncomfortable with the question, right, Yeah, And I mean we
Speaker 2: all have our beliefs. It's just a matter of always
Speaker 2: being able to question those.
Speaker 4: Boys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I believe everything's connected. I believe everything's technically one.
Speaker 2: It's just sort of sprung from a single thing that
Speaker 2: we could call God all that is, whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call it, universe. But also I think we are
Speaker 2: separate and distinct in that as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think that there's both. That's the
Speaker 7: thing that I think people that you know, not people,
Speaker 7: but you know, that is hard for some folks, I think,
Speaker 7: to get their head around that. At least for me,
Speaker 7: it's you know, I'm absolutely always open to being you know,
Speaker 7: having being disproven, but unfortunately, I guess unfortunately I think
Speaker 7: of it as unfortunately for me, it keeps on being
Speaker 7: sort of confirmed again and again. I would love for
Speaker 7: some stuff to you know, prove it. But yeah, it
Speaker 7: seems that there are we kind of exist, as Seth
Speaker 7: would say it, we are multiple. You know, there is
Speaker 7: a multiplicity to the way that we exist. I think
Speaker 7: that's beyond just you know, the idea of our ego
Speaker 7: or who we think we are. There's you know, I
Speaker 7: think that there are ways that we can even comprehend
Speaker 7: that we exist and that things existing so that are
Speaker 7: not I don't want to say like contradictory, but I
Speaker 7: think this idea that there can be more than one
Speaker 7: thing happening at once. You can be both an individual
Speaker 7: and at the same time, you know late in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like these these ideas are not usually exclusive.
Speaker 2: Right there you go, there was a little note I
Speaker 2: wrote down here that said we'll never have lasers, And
Speaker 2: that goes back to this like idea, like when I
Speaker 2: was a kid and you'd be watching sci fi and
Speaker 2: they'd be like, Oh, there's never gonna be laser guns.
Speaker 2: Those are impossible, And I'm thinking we're almost to the
Speaker 2: point of laser guns at this point.
Speaker 6: Like I'm about to say, I've seen plenty of YouTube
Speaker 6: videos of people with questionably legal homemade devices that right
Speaker 6: would raise a counterargument to not having laser guns.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like it always bugged me at the time.
Speaker 2: It's like, how do you know, Like we were constantly
Speaker 2: evolving our technology, discovering new things. You can never really say, oh,
Speaker 2: we'll never have it laser guns. You know, if if
Speaker 2: we wanted, we could probably have flying cars, Like we
Speaker 2: probably have the tech for stuff like that. I don't
Speaker 2: know if flying cars are a good idea considering how
Speaker 2: people deal with non flying cars, right, But like, I
Speaker 2: don't think it's it's a matter of impossibility. The one
Speaker 2: thing I will i will say is probably impossible that
Speaker 2: science for some reason is okay with is the concept
Speaker 2: of like a Dyson sphere, because the enormity of a
Speaker 2: Dyson sphere would take a few solar systems worth of
Speaker 2: material to even create.
Speaker 6: I was watching a couple of videos and reading recently
Speaker 6: about specifically Dyson spheres and how the concept has gotten
Speaker 6: just so ridiculously carried away with and is advocated for
Speaker 6: by the dumbest people imaginable who like to think that
Speaker 6: they're brilliant, like Elon Musk, and how the original paper
Speaker 6: put out proposing the concept of a Dyson sphere was
Speaker 6: using it specifically as an absurd, impossible example to show
Speaker 6: how this type of concept is wrong, and like it
Speaker 6: was literally published as a joke saying this is stupid,
Speaker 6: but people said, wow, that is neat, And you know,
Speaker 6: partly that's a failing of the author, because like, if
Speaker 6: you want to say something is stupid, don't come up
Speaker 6: with an idea that sounds that awesome, because like there's
Speaker 6: a reason Dicen sphere to show up in sci fi
Speaker 6: so much, right, right.
Speaker 2: But I mean, imagine the material would take to circle
Speaker 2: a sun. I mean, imagine the size of the Earth
Speaker 2: through this, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, And then imagine how
Speaker 2: much material you would have to make to even make
Speaker 2: one ring around the Sun. I mean that would take
Speaker 2: thousands of earths and all that stuff would have to
Speaker 2: be processed and built. And I mean, you can never
Speaker 2: say something's completely impossible, but I think you get to
Speaker 2: a point where like, if you have that much tech
Speaker 2: that you could do something like that, you probably have
Speaker 2: a better way of harnessing energy. But yet you see
Speaker 2: it come up so much and it's just like, no,
Speaker 2: this is not you understand what this would take.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean it's the whole thing that like I
Speaker 7: feel like sometimes we and this is kind of obvious,
Speaker 7: can't look past, you know, the fossil fuel, like we can.
Speaker 7: We can't even imagine a technology that isn't based around
Speaker 7: you know, I guess mining for either precious metals or
Speaker 7: you know, some sort of fossil fuel and creating these
Speaker 7: you know, uh, these machines that you know work with
Speaker 7: I don't know, gears and all sorts of stuff or whatever.
Speaker 7: The mechanical idea. We still haven't gone beyond the mechanical.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I have a better idea than a dice
Speaker 6: and sphere to harness all this energy. The entirety of
Speaker 6: energy output from a star is like maybe harness energy
Speaker 6: and resources from a planet in a way that doesn't
Speaker 6: extract and then destroy the entire ecosystem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's it, And we don't have one of
Speaker 2: those really, because I mean, even though we have ways
Speaker 2: of generating energy that doesn't destroy the ecosystem, it all
Speaker 2: gets stored in lithium batteries, right, And lithium batteries are
Speaker 2: absolutely awful and destroy the environment. So I mean it's
Speaker 2: like I got.
Speaker 6: To mention all the slavery taking to extract the lithium
Speaker 6: and other rarer elements in general, the.
Speaker 2: Cobalt and children in mind, and it's it's awful.
Speaker 7: On every you're replacing one thing, you know, with another
Speaker 7: thing that's essentially doing causing similar problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, similar problems but in a different way. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, we need to think differently about this stuff.
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't know what those solutions are.
Speaker 2: But again, science is so set on results rather than
Speaker 2: speculation and experimentation at this point, especially any kind of
Speaker 2: corporate science. Now I had heard, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if maybe it wasn't even true, I think it was
Speaker 2: Microsoft said that their AI had come up with a
Speaker 2: battery that was like a thousand times more efficient than
Speaker 2: lithian I on batter and was not as toxic to
Speaker 2: make or dispose of because it just they said, it
Speaker 2: just went through all these different variations and finally found
Speaker 2: something that worked. But I never heard anything more about it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, did you think that was right
Speaker 2: and then you double checked it and realized the AI
Speaker 2: was hallucinating or what.
Speaker 6: Wouldn't be surprised?
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, I haven't heard anything about that. It was
Speaker 7: literally a battery. It gets suppressed immediately.
Speaker 2: Well sure, I mean.
Speaker 6: Again, it's a case of so many of these allegedly
Speaker 6: miraculous things coming out of AI being brought to the
Speaker 6: public's attention by the people that have a vested interest
Speaker 6: in saying AI is this miracle technology.
Speaker 2: Look at cold fusion. There seems to be some something
Speaker 2: to that, and those people were absolutely buried. So, I
Speaker 2: mean it's because it would have hurt the energy industry
Speaker 2: if ColdFusion was a thing. So there have been numerous
Speaker 2: people who claim to have built, you know, engines that
Speaker 2: run on water, and you know, I don't know if
Speaker 2: they did or not, because they get buried very very quickly.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's a guy right here in you know,
Speaker 7: my area. There's this guy Otis Car. You guys know
Speaker 7: Otis t Car, right, sure, I remember heard of him.
Speaker 7: He was this guy. He started in Baltimore and he
Speaker 7: ended up and I think New Mexico maybe, but he
Speaker 7: you know, essentially had this visionary experience one night when
Speaker 7: he was like a teen, I think where this you know,
Speaker 7: he was the Sphinx was basically downloading to him the
Speaker 7: essentially like anti gravity free energy technology and was explaining
Speaker 7: to him that he needed to you know, manufacture and
Speaker 7: make you know, something out of it, because like Luciferian
Speaker 7: entities were you know, trying to capture this this technology.
Speaker 7: But you know, it was enough so that he became
Speaker 7: you know, he's basically was one of those crackpots who
Speaker 7: I think thought he was really doing something and he
Speaker 7: was trying to sell this as like fifties sixties, but
Speaker 7: you know, you can look for it. He has these
Speaker 7: like plans online. It's similar to the like Wilbert Smith
Speaker 7: stuff from Canada, you know, where you can see as
Speaker 7: these plans for basically like a flying saucer. I think
Speaker 7: it was called the ot X or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's interesting and and you know, from all everything I
Speaker 7: can tell, you know, he seems to be on the
Speaker 7: up and up, at least what he believed was happening
Speaker 7: to him. He has this really interesting unpublished manuscript called
Speaker 7: Dimensions of Mystery where he talks about this experience that
Speaker 7: he had, and then he has all these other like
Speaker 7: it's like really bad bad poetry, you know. You know,
Speaker 7: so obviously something was going on internally with him. You know,
Speaker 7: he seemed to be kind of like a crackpot snake
Speaker 7: oil salesman to most people. That became a cross and
Speaker 7: you know, failed businessman. Inventor. But yeah, interesting story.
Speaker 6: There's a few inventors whatever you want to call them
Speaker 6: like that that I find, yes, interesting, because while on
Speaker 6: the one hand, it definitely seems like for a lot
Speaker 6: of them that they're coming up with utter nonsense and
Speaker 6: that it's just you know, whatever thing they're either trying
Speaker 6: to sell as a con or just our delusional or whatnot,
Speaker 6: and all these other explanation ways of dismissing them, yet
Speaker 6: at the same time will ostensibly have results that seem real. Yeah,
Speaker 6: Yet also the results can't be replicated by anyone else.
Speaker 6: And I have to wonder like if instead of discovering
Speaker 6: whatever type of technology they're trying to promote if they
Speaker 6: actually are inadvertently doing successful magical rituals that is just
Speaker 6: producing results for themselves. Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it. Well,
Speaker 2: there's also something with belief. I'm trying to remember. I know,
Speaker 2: they talk about it in the Holographic Universe, whether it
Speaker 2: was like some particle they were looking for, but they
Speaker 2: had looked at all the stuff prior and didn't find
Speaker 2: a particle. But then when they speculated the particle exists,
Speaker 2: they looked at like they did the same processes and
Speaker 2: found the particle, and you know, and Talbot's thought was, well,
Speaker 2: maybe the particle didn't exist because we hadn't invented.
Speaker 7: It yet, right, right, retrocostality.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, And if I'm not mistaken, some of
Speaker 2: the SETH material talks about stuff like that too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: So, I mean it's it's not out of the question.
Speaker 2: It's just we're not thinking about the stuff in the
Speaker 2: right way yet, and we do get stuck in thinking
Speaker 2: about things in certain ways. Look a look at Tesla's stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, no one, as far as I know, people
Speaker 2: don't really understand what Tesla was doing. He was definitely
Speaker 2: tapped into something something provable that could have been free
Speaker 2: energy for the whole planet without all of this the
Speaker 2: issues that we have today. But there was no way
Speaker 2: to monetize it, so it got buried and.
Speaker 7: All of his research essentially got stolen.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, and it was all it was
Speaker 2: all about monetization. It wasn't about you know, like it's
Speaker 2: not that his ideas were bad. Look at the guy
Speaker 2: who built the coral Castle.
Speaker 6: That's exactly what I was just thinking, yeah, or something
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he did some really amazing stuff and
Speaker 2: to this day, no one really knows what he did.
Speaker 2: There are people who have moved large objects using leverage
Speaker 2: and stuff like that and it's pretty impressive, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be what this guy was doing. Like,
Speaker 2: whatever he did to build Coral Castle is incredibly impressive.
Speaker 2: And again sites that you know, it's something we're clearly
Speaker 2: just not thinking in the same way about. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: I don't and I don't know how you fix that
Speaker 2: other than trying to come up with new things. Willhelm
Speaker 2: Reich I think is in that category too. Willhelm Reich
Speaker 2: I think was finding a way to actually pick up
Speaker 2: on energy that we give off that we all give
Speaker 2: off that he was calling organ and energy. I don't
Speaker 2: know necessarily that his orgone accumulators worked in the ways
Speaker 2: he said they did, but there are you know, there
Speaker 2: are videos of him testing people and upping their energy
Speaker 2: and watching this stuff respond. And anyone who does energy
Speaker 2: work of any kind, I will tell you that energy
Speaker 2: is a very noticeable thing. Like it's not you know,
Speaker 2: it's not like, oh yeah, I just think I feel this. No,
Speaker 2: you definitely feel it when you feel it. So I
Speaker 2: always found wilhelm rights stuff very interesting. And of course
Speaker 2: they buried it, you know, they destroyed most of his work.
Speaker 2: They threw him in jail over like garbage charges. And
Speaker 2: yet is it I think it was? Peter Robbins said
Speaker 2: that at Rendelsham they had a cloudbuster. So yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: make of that what you will.
Speaker 7: But you know, yeah, no, I mean, I am, you know,
Speaker 7: fully of the opinion that even if I can't put
Speaker 7: my finger on the exact connections everything, everything seems to
Speaker 7: have some sort of uh, you know, resonance or connection there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and you know, damn well, the military, even
Speaker 2: if they're publicly saying this is nonsense, are going to
Speaker 2: be like can we weaponize this and we use this
Speaker 2: to our advantage and hence the disclosure movement?
Speaker 7: Yeah, which we know we're getting disclosure right now. Sure
Speaker 7: was pretty awesome, don't you think. Yeah, it's guys, Yeah,
Speaker 7: directed by Spielberg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh. And of course the book from Tyson, Yes, Mike, Mike,
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson reveals all about UFOs.
Speaker 6: Mike Tyson's Disclosure Day.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Tyson has seen a
Speaker 7: UFO and that there is some video of him telling
Speaker 7: that story out there somewhere at least. I like to
Speaker 7: think that.
Speaker 2: So we're just about out of time. I do want
Speaker 2: to mention if anyone's not aware, Timothy Renner has a
Speaker 2: new book coming out, is taking pre orders right now
Speaker 2: as we're recording this, so I don't know when the
Speaker 2: actual release date is. And the same with Joshua Kutcheen.
Speaker 2: They both have new books out or coming out imminutely.
Speaker 2: So look for those and check those.
Speaker 6: Out, and so does Soriah.
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Speaker 2: Should I should I credit you in there as the
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