Speaker 1: We're all owned by the Syndicate, body and soul or
should I just say.
Speaker 2: Bunny Hello, Filthy movie Lovers, Something weirdos and anti Criterion Bros.
To the fifth episode of the short Ends, our repository
for all the odds ends and ephemera that don't exactly
fit into our full length episodes. It's also a place
where we can have informal chats with some of our listeners, friends,
and other sexploitation fans without the commitment of a typical,
deeply researched sin Syndicate episode. In this short end, we
will be talking with Jeffrey Patron, a New Jersey native
and relatively new sexploitations super fan. You may remember Jeffrey
from episode thirty seven Waiting for the Man, where he
popped in to provide us with an on the street
interview with Michael Drumbar, the programmer at the Gap Theater
in wind Gap, Pennsylvania, as well as giving his thoughts
on some of the secret sexploitation films they had been
screening there. So we suggest you go back and listen
to that segment if you haven't already, but stay tuned
for our chat with Jeffrey at the end of this
episode where he's going to talk about another mysterious gap
screening that he attended. But first some news and updates. Casey,
I think it was wise of us to do sort
of a chill, short end style episode this week. Right,
We've been busy.
Speaker 3: Very busy. It's been quite a week and I'm I
am tired.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we wrapped up extras. This week was kind of
like the final countdown for the extra on the next
District Picture release, which is coming out I believe in July.
So that will be announced July first and then shipping
end of July, and that's going to be exciting. You
and Alex did something that I will not stop raving
about and I cannot wait till people get a chance
to see it. And we get to introduce another historian
into the mix who hasn't done any extras before, and
he is very happy release. Yeah, he's he's kind of
been kind of an undiscovered historian with a lot of
background in this particular subject on that release, so I'm excited.
I was excited to get him involved for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So we wrapped up that. But as far
as upcoming releases, I think by the time this episode
is live, our June announcements will have been made, so
I think we can quickly talk about those. Yeah, we've
been teasing. So yeah, it's Partner month and so you've
got a commentary for the documentary wad the Life and
Times of John C. Holmes? Tell us a little bit
about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a surprise. I was wondering what was
going to happen with that because that was something that
my friend Cass Paiey directed a long time ago, like
thirty plus years ago. They were almost thirty years ago,
and he directed it as well. It was directed partially
financed by VCA, so it came out in an X
ray version which had footage from whatever VCA John Holmes
movies they had, and he put the name Wesley Emerson
on that because that was his name he used in porn.
That version is not even worth bothering with. The original
festival version is the version that Film Movement is putting out.
And he he is someone that I was very, very
very close to, like we would talk every day. You know,
he was very involved with I mean he started in
the business in the mid seventies. He produced Health Spa
and also produced Exposed, which is like one of the
best adult films ever made about the industry itself. And
he passed away a few years ago, and that was
he wasn't doing great, but he was someone I was
thought would be around forever. And so when Justin the
Liberty reached out and asked if I would do a commentary,
at first I was like, well, it's John Holmes. I
don't have anything to say about John Holmes. And then
I realized, well, the documentary is about John Holmes. I
wanted to take the opportunity to talk about Cast because
I feel like people maybe don't know who he is,
but anybody in people in the business know who he is.
And so I said yes the opportunity and got to
talk about him in his career and what a great
researcher he was, and what a great great he was,
a great collaborator, and I miss him. I saved all
of his voicemails. Every once in a while listen back
to his voicemails. Yeah, I miss him a lot.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I'm really excited to hear that commentary you did, because,
like you said, I mean, who else is going to
be able to talk about Cast the way that the
way that you can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there were definitely, there were there. Well,
one of the producers, the one of the producers of the
movie is a guy named Mike Sager, and he's writing
Tom Byron's autobiography with him now, and he was like
a very like on the ground journalist, like a very
really interesting I think he actually might have sub licensed
it to film a little bit possibly, and he might.
I would love him to do a commentary too, just
from the perspective of making the film. But I don't
know what the other extras are. So I'm excited too
because I just know about what I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about these R rated and X rated cuts.
What's going to be on this film movement.
Speaker 3: Release festival cut. Yeah, Like I said, the X rated
cut is garbage and that's VCA. Why do you say
that because it cuts out actual interview footage to replace
it with hardcore footage, hardcore sex scene. There's no reason,
there's no reason to include that. It's it's Yeah, it's
a it's a waste of time. So yeah, and it's
it's and it was for it was partially financed by VCA,
so it's within the Hustler organized hustler organization, so nobody
needs to see that. Nobody cares to see that, and
he didn't sign his real name on it, so yeah,
just ignore that an X rated version exists because Cass
didn't care for it either.
Speaker 2: No, that's good to know. I'm glad you said that,
because I have seen pop up every now and then
like well I'm watching this, you know this, uh, this
wad movie about John Holmes, but it's you know, there's
hardly any hardcore in it. I'm like, well, right, well,
there's a reason that it was made that way.
Speaker 3: Correct. The intention was not to have cut to hardcore
scenes over and over and over. It was it was
to focus on who he was and the interviews. I
mean he did one of the he did the last
video interview that Annette Haven has ever given is in
that he interviewed a Peg before she passed away. Like
a lot of the it was really weird watching and
doing the commentary because so many people that he interviewed
never did any other interviews and they're no longer with us,
Like he interviewed ant Parry and Perry's in the documentary
and we talked about her, and yeah, a lot of
people that passed away and really didn't get to do
interviews with anybody else. So yeah, it's really good even
if you don't even if you're not and I've opened
the commentary saying I'm not a John Holmes fan, so
but the documentary is just so incredible because it shows
the extent of the research and the documentation that Cass
wanted to do. And he was just that kind of person.
That's why he and I got along so well, because
we wanted to like find everybody. We wanted to find
and talk to everybody, so we would find people for
each other. And yeah, he's he was. When after he died,
that was kind of when I kind of went into hiding.
And it wasn't until you kind of lured me out
of quote unquote retirement, because I was just kind of like, well,
if cast isn't around, like we were each other's best cheerleaders. Yeah,
like we if we were feeling down, we would be like,
you know, you got to keep doing this. And yeah,
with him gone, I didn't really have a cheerleader.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to fill those shoes, but I feel
like I can learn a cheerleader as well, and we
do cheer each other.
Speaker 3: On you know, yes, but yeah, I miss him and
I'm excited for that release to come out finally because
I did that commentary a long time ago and I
did cry on it. It was an emotional thing.
Speaker 2: I think that's going to be a selling point. Yeah,
to hear your thoughts on that release, Yeah, absolutely, Wait, yeah,
that's it was fun. It was fun to You're also
on another commentary solo.
Speaker 3: Yes, we we we split duties. We did so. It
was very random requests. ACTA said we're putting out this
double feature and I still don't know why they put
these two movies together. Maybe we'll find out when it's
announced what they're what they're announcing it as what it
is the Chuck Vincent movie Voices a Desire, which was
his first feature film, and uh and find out pay later.
But black and white, black and white.
Speaker 2: It was a little horror connection, but that's about it.
Speaker 3: Early voices. Yeah, like not really, there really isn't any
connection between those two films. But yeah, they said we
need this in a pinch, and I was like, give
me a chance to talk about Chuck Vincent. I'll do
it so and I actually I will just toot my
own horn people don't really talk about Chuck's background in
terms of him being raised in Michigan and how he
was involved with the stage in Michigan, and why why
he became Chuck Vincent. That's not his real name. His
real name, which I mentioned on the commentary. There's a
reason why he abandoned that and never went back, and
that will be discussed on that commentary. It's not great.
It's not great. So he came from a very difficult background,
and I was I was really glad to do all
that research because really nobody's talking about Chuck in his
early days. So yeah, and then you did something on
your own.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then so I did a piece, a written
piece for Fly Now Pay Later, which is you could
say it revolves around Sinex, the company that released that film,
and some of the players involved in the the I'll
just let it speak for itself. But yeah, I'm really
proud of that piece that we did. That I did,
but you guys helped out with proof reading and doing
a little bit of fact checking on some of that stuff.
So yeah, I'm really happy with how that came out.
Speaker 3: It was great. I didn't even have to do that much.
But actually I think the only thing I corrected was
about I think, I think a comment about Gerard mean
everything else, I was like, this is great. It was
all kind of new to me. I mean you went
into areas that I never went into, so no, I
reading that, I was like, oh, this is really good.
I like it when I I I like learning from
stuff like I don't want it to be I don't
want to read something and be like, oh, yeah, I
knew this already and it's I That's kind of the
point of these extras is it's like you want stuff
that you're not just going to find by going to
IMDb and reading.
Speaker 2: The trivia exactly. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, I think I think that's a good
Our extras compliment each other. I think really well in
that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that film is very interesting. We're still kind of
doing research on the director being a dial I mean
we've we've kind of poked and prodded since that's been written.
That so we might have to do a little bit
of an update on a future episode. But yeah, still
more to come. That's the funny thing about this kind
of like sexploitation research is you know, sometimes you think
you've uncovered every rock but there's still more rocks to push.
Speaker 3: Over, right, bh Dial, there's a bit. I think there's
a better chance of us discovering who that really was
than Peter Woodcock. I think that, I think so. I
agree that's much more difficult, bh Dial. We actually have
people that we can research and find connections to Peter Woodcock,
like Godspeed, who knows? You know, we need to buy
cast members who will talk and maybe remember. But even then,
you know, yeah, that's that's kind of a bigger mystery.
But at bh Dial, I think would be a major
thing if we could figure out who the hell that was.
Speaker 2: I know, I have more thoughts that I didn't get
in to that essay, but yeah, I think maybe we'll
get into that in a future episode when we talk
more about that scene of Loukampa and you know, yeah,
we'll talk about it. Let's do a little what are
we watching about that? I finished up The Naughty World
of Stanley Long, that most recent District Picks release. I
was surprised when that was announced. I think you were
a little bit as well. I don't think we saw
that one coming. Yeah, they're britty. I mean I knew
it was coming, so you knew it was coming, but
I don't know.
Speaker 5: I knew it was.
Speaker 3: Coming, I just don't know why. I don't know what. Yeah,
basically I don't know what the motivation was. I don't
know what the thought process was.
Speaker 2: Well, motivation, you get the release, you'll understand the motivation.
I think the motivation was that they found these continent
continental sequences in a basement in England, and that was
sort of the impetus to put this all together. Maybe
they can correct me if I'm wrong, Uh, Gap Grimson.
Speaker 3: I'm bummed that. I'm still bummed they didn't get that
Michael Armstrong commentary. So now I have still have to
pay an arm in a freaking leg to get them release. Yeah,
I don't have it so and it's and it's apparently
out of print. So I'm just like, well, this would
have been great, guys. Yeah, I think that's kind of
the That should be the goal of every company if
you can, you need to render every previous release obsolete.
Speaker 2: I agree. You know who's and I think I've said
this before. Indicator has been doing that really well with
those newes.
Speaker 3: You don't need any previous ROLNG release.
Speaker 2: It's all selling, selling those redemptions.
Speaker 3: All the old encore DVDs from from the Netherlands, like
those that came with books. All the books are replicated
all the Yeah, everything in there is replicated. So yeah,
that's really what the goal should be, all boutique labels.
I'm telling you, like, make the licensing happen, because you know,
I don't know what. I don't even know if they
asked eighty eight films, to be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, back to the stand they long so they
get progressively better. There's four films in the set from
a British exploitation historical perspective. I think they're really interesting
and I think a lot of that goes is gone
into through the essay in the booklet. And I keep
calling him Gav Crimson because that's the user namely yeah,
so who.
Speaker 3: We didn't have on. I really do want to have
him on to talk about a Derek Ford movie or
maybe Loves of Cynthia. I think he has a lot
of good info on that, but.
Speaker 2: He's uh, yeah. He does short audio commentaries over these
found continental sequences, so they're almost like little fifteen ten
minute mini commentaries. I think they're amazing and I think
they're worth the price of the release. To be honest,
I think they're really.
Speaker 3: I'm glad he was an I'm glad he was included.
When I saw him on the extras, I was like, oh, good, okay, great,
like they have an expert involved. Perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you're almost getting like a condensed audio
commentary for the entire film over these continental sequences.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a really interesting choice. But yes, Eskimonell,
as you predicted, is my favorite. I think it's genuinely
funny British sexploitation. And I think I said in my
review as well, you know it's poking fun not just
that British sexploitation, but I think sexploitation filmmaking as a whole.
So I think it works even if you're not a
fan of British sex films.
Speaker 3: Right, And the fact that the fact that Come Play
with Me somehow has become this like legendary sex film
cult hit that made the most money ever in like
a UK theater and this movie is still slept on
is insane because like this is a genuine, laugh out loud,
funny movie which you cannot say about like most British
sex comedies. They are terrible. This one is actually hilarious. Yeah,
it's really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: And Groupie Girl has that great song Yesterday's Hero by
the English Rows, which should have been a hit. It's
a really terrific ballad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they should have. They should have done kind of
what they what you did for your seven inch that
you you sort of ripped for the release of toys
or not for children.
Speaker 3: Well that's a whole rights thing. Yeah, that's the whole
rights thing. And actually Aero maybe maybe shouldn't have included that,
but they didn't flag it for legal stuff. And I
was just like, here you go, so oh well yeah, yeah,
great soundtrack. It's on it's on iTunes. That soundtrack soundtrack
is really really really good. It's streaming like everywhere. It's Yeah,
maybe they listened to Yesterday's Hero a lot.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And actually Nathaniel Thompson is the one to introduced me
to that before I'd even seen the movie. He had
some like he had a he guested on a radio
and in and a radio show and played that on
the radio show and I was just like, oh my god,
this song is so good.
Speaker 2: I also watched Michael Findley well, the Findlay's Snuff for
the very first time, Like I don't know, like it's
gotten a you know, I was kind of scared to
watch it. It's been sitting on my shelf for a while.
I just heard such terrible things. But you know, I
think what I can say about Snuff is that it
to me, it's very much a Michael Findlay film. I
was kind of afraid it was going to be some
I mean, the ending is obviously not aw Michael Findlay creation,
but the rest of the film feels like a Michael
Finlay film.
Speaker 3: I don't know, what do you think I think it does.
But it's not good. Yeah, it's it's it's it's virtually unwatchable.
Like I I don't remember one thing about that shitty
movie except them slicing up the bottom of someone's feet
as a torture sequence, and that's all I remember. I
don't even remember the snuff sequence. It's just like it's
instantly forgettable. Think it's terrible. Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 2: Yep, So filling filling those Fendlay holes in my filmography,
which I mean, there's I haven't even touched any of
his hardcore films yet. I don't think I've seen a
single one.
Speaker 3: So when Wild is so bad, it's terrible. And the
gay stuff you don't really need. I mean it's it's
fine if you want to see, like well, Michael Gaunt
is in it, and Michael dubs a lot of the
gay voices, which is just like you seem queen out,
which is fun. And they're all shot in the Marro's apartment. That's,
you know, the better stuff. The Francis Ellie stuff is better.
When Larry Ravine took over after Michael died, because Larry
Ravine's an actual professional photographer, Michael had to be like,
you know, force fed alcohol to shoot those.
Speaker 2: Yeah I heard that as well. Yeah, yeah, one day
let me cruise through. So yeah. Shout out to Alex
Holmes for providing a copy of Moonshine Love this sort
of under their radar exploitation film shot in Louisiana. Check
out the instagram for a little clip from that. I
thought it was very entertaining. Case he's like, this looks
like a home video. I don't even remember.
Speaker 3: It's like a whole movie. It's it's a cheap piece
of shit. Yeah, it's terrible, and what inspired you to
want to watch this.
Speaker 2: I watch everything.
Speaker 3: It wasn't related to any of the research you were
doing for the extras, and I'm just like, where is
this coming from?
Speaker 2: Because Alex provided it and I wanted to. I'll just
say I watched it and thank you and log it
on letterbox because he's always like, hey, I got this thing,
and none of you guys have logged it on letterbox yet,
so I'm going to upload it for you guys.
Speaker 3: That's true. Alex did say there were two movies that
he was like, I guess you guys don't have these
because you haven't logged them. And I was like, I
have them, I just haven't let know. I was like,
thank you, God, love you. But I do have them,
so it's okay. What was it? One of them was
oh love Games to Edd Priest movie and I was like,
I all they had Debrace. I just haven't watched them.
Speaker 2: All right, Well what are you watching?
Speaker 3: I have been in Roman porno lands because apparently American
sexploitation is boring is hell to me right now. So
I mean, the only the only time i'me ever spending
with American sexploitation is now for this podcast and for
the extras we're doing, yeah, like knee deep in Roman porno. Yeah,
I just logged today that apparently I have seen six
percent of all of the Roman porno because they made
over a thousand of these, so I've only seen six percent.
I haven't even gotten to my fruit one hundredth one yet.
Speaker 2: But is there an official list of like, because yes,
of Roman pornos that Nikotsu has actually put out?
Speaker 3: Yes, there is? Okay, all right, good, yeah, yes there is.
So I'm going by.
Speaker 2: That because I know that they are fairly strict from
what they categorize as Roman porno.
Speaker 3: Well, anything they were, well there is not that. It's
basically anything they released to their official pink Nikatsu theaters. Yeah,
it's not that strict. Oh okay, yeah, no, it's not
that strict. They're strict if you're going to say their
films are pink films, because their films aren't pink films.
That's the difference. No, But like, no, there's a master list.
Anything they released that was intended to be played in
these adults only theaters, those are they consider those Roman porno.
So yeah, I've been watching a few tawny films I
watched Fairy in a Cage and Flower and Snake. You know,
I like Taani a lot. I'm not as obsessed with
her as Dakota and Chris because I have my other favorites. Uh,
she's great. I love her. I was getting through a
lot of the Impulse stuff and then I saw I
take a break and I downloaded a ton of stuff
with fan subs, which has been great because you know,
there's a really nice band stubbing community out there for
a lot of these films. But then there's also like
deep cuts that are never haven't been subbed, and so
who knows if they're ever You have to and you
I think we've talked about the Dakota and Chris. If
you're going to dive into Japanese pink film in general,
you're gonna have to get used to the idea that
you're going to be watching stuff without subtitles and so,
which I think is if you're if you're in the
eurocult community, I think that's something that you should already
be familiar with. I mean, there are films that came
out with like your favorite actresses from Italy or France
or Germany that just don't have subs. But you want
to watch them because you want to complete a filmography.
And this is the yeah, exactly, you know what, exactly, yes,
you know exactly that experience. So so as part of
the some of the impulse ones I watch. I watch
Female Teacher Hunting, which has the same star from Dirty Afternoon,
who is Yuki Kazimatsuri, and I think most people know
her today. She plays the wife of that inn owner
in kill Bill. So the guy they say, look like
it looks like Charlie Brown, she says, oh, yeah, right,
he does look like Charlie Brown. Like that's her. She
is really amazing in Female Teacher Hunting, but the movie
just is fine. I watch Nurse Girl Dorm Sticky Fingers.
The real title is Assy Fingers because there's a sequence
with a prostate massage. It's just crazy. The actress in
that is June is Zumi and she's in one of
the Angel Guts movies that Third Window just put out.
I watched a new favorite of mine, which Chris mentioned
on our episode with Them, which is called a Tale
of Happiness, and that was released in nineteen eighty eight,
like two months before Nikatsu shut down the Roman porn online,
and it's like ninety minutes. It's a feature length movie,
and it's so good. It's basically American beauty, but like
you like all the characters the whole way through, and
you don't want to kill the you know, American beauty
is very obnoxious.
Speaker 2: I looked at the posterard for that and I was like, wait,
this is a Roman porno. This looks really pretty great.
Speaker 3: I loved it so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the poster is like a legitimate poster. It's not
you know, I loved it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's it's a perfect movie for Connie, honestly,
like it's it's it's very character driven, this that still
has sex in it, but it's very Yeah, I just
loved it. It hit. It made me cry. It's like
it's so it's funny and dramatic, and it's just like
it hit all of the perfect spots, all consensual sex.
So another good. I always like to flag that because
I think people think Romer corners it's a lot of rape.
There are some there are a lot of films that
do not have any sexual assault. So Tailor Happiness is
one of them. Speaking of assault, DIDs a female teacher
in rope Hell, which I really liked, and that has
an actor who I really like named Junko Mubuuki, who
was kind of marketed as the new S and M
queen after Mutani retired. But she wasn't really into that.
I think she's more of a dom versus a sub.
Son Cotser's like, well, we're gonna make you a sub,
and she wasn't really into it that much. Her body
couldn't take all of the all of the being tied
up and hung and things like that, so she retired
pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't she run a club herself? Is that the
same junko?
Speaker 3: No, that's the thing they are, like, there are like
a dozen junkos in Sex in the Room and porno
when in Pink film. So yeah. Speaking of another junko,
Junko Asahina, who was in Wed and Writing and Horny
Working Girl five to nine, Dakota just told me she
died in twenty twenty one, and I was so sad
because she's also when I Love It from Behind, which
I've raved about, I love I Love It from Behind.
I finally watched two Wakamatsu movies. I watched Go Go's
second time version and Violated Angels and they both completely
blew my mind. I loved them so much. And I
don't know why we don't have a Wakamatsu box set
from somebody like RADI I could see Radiance doing this.
Criterion should be doing it. Yeah, I could see Deaf
Crocodile doing it. I'd like I could see some major
companies doing this. I just don't know if it's the
rites or elements issue. I have no idea. Yesterday I
was watching Roman Porner all day, but I will just
mention two that I watched. So I watched one called
Time Adventure five Seconds till Climax, which was like Nikatu's
Roman Porner version of Back to the Future, where it's
this girl who I like named uh kozuway Tanaka, and
she only made like three pink films. She was in
Female Leopard, which is like Nikotsu's version of Rebecca, and
then she made this sex comedy where she's Marty McFly
and she gets taken to she gets sent to the
future while after a very furious masturbation session.
Speaker 2: Uh that's Time Adventure.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's Time Adventure, and it's so it's really good,
it's very sweet. That's another one I'm like Connie, let's go,
like I could see Connie doing that. It's very cute
and sweet. But the one that really blew my mind
yesterday and I was just like I had to take
a break in process was Orgasm Marico, which like a
five stars, which not that common for me in this
but the last one I did was Taylor of Happiness,
because Taylor Happiness just like, oh yeah, that was another one.
I was just like, this is this is this is cinema,
this is beautiful, But Orgasm Marico is kind of like
it's like a Brian de Palma thriller where this girl,
this actress is the star of it is Magumi Kiyasoto,
and apparently I just found out that she married the
director of like her last pink film and then he
was nominated for an Oscar for Departures, so they're still married.
So I'm kind of like, okay, let's get let's get
this on Blu Ray and get an interview with her.
So it's like it's it's it's a revenge movie where
at the beginning of the movie, she's having sex with
her boyfriend and this truck driver throws a bottle of
doctor Pepper out of his window and it kills him,
knocks him on the head. So the rest of the
movie is her every time and they were having sex. Well,
she was on a period, so every time she gets
her period, she feels this bloodlust and so she finds
the truck driver kills him. She goes on the spree
of killing truck drivers and it's so beautifully done. There's
lots of spraying blood and gets very intense and crazy.
And apparently Neon Eagle while Jared Honor from Moda, Micawber
and Neon Eagle has been trying to license this from Nikatsu,
but he says they won't answer his emails. And I'm
just like, answer your god damn godzo because this movie
is one that I could really see a lot of
people loving. It is a great mix of sex and horror.
It has a really good like string score like Pinodnagio.
It's so stylish and really great. It's really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds great.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a good one. But I think that's yeah.
I mean, I'm still watching more. I was watching I
was downloading more before we started recording, so I'm still
still watching more. I watch a lot of bad ones. Well,
you know, I don't need to talk about those. Go
to my letter boxing and see which ones I didn't like.
Speaker 2: But all right, of.
Speaker 7: All the fantastic breakthroughs that modern science is making, none
will touch man more closely, more wondrous, or more fearfully
than those now being made on the farm out frontiers
of medicine and biology. Man may hope to for ordain
the intellect and the physical character teristics of his children,
and of all the generations that follow. He may be
able to achieve a kind of immortality.
Speaker 5: Wonderful.
Speaker 7: Well, now we understand each other.
Speaker 2: You mean I'm the father of baby, Well.
Speaker 7: Not just one baby.
Speaker 1: I would say the figure would be more like two
thousand to give a take a few within the next
two years.
Speaker 5: Did sound any better? Now?
Speaker 2: Not really talk or move it a little closer to you.
Maybe let's just see what that does.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey, longtime Gap Theater goer and sponsor, Well, first of all,
tell us a little bit about yourself and your connection
with the Gap Theater.
Speaker 5: I'm a relatively short time goer, but they've only reopened
relatively short amount of time. They reopened at some point
within March of twenty five after closing and I believe
twenty twenty. I started going in October twenty twenty five.
I went to a Just Franco event frank O Rama.
I only say for the first film, which was the
I believe the longest cut of Female Vampire, and it
was on DCP as opposed to thirty five milimeter. But
that's such a it's such a captivating Lena Rome performance.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, that's pretty rare for them to do
a DCP though, isn't it.
Speaker 5: They'll do it if, I seemingly it's if they can't
get a thirty five milimeter.
Speaker 3: Relative would be tough to go.
Speaker 5: But it's not the most I mean, they advertised as
we only do thirty five milimeter, so that's but they
will do DCP if it's like I had asked, I
had been asking about. I think I had asked more
than once. That's one ask things for who killed Petty Bear? Hmmm?
Now like great film, Uh yeah, we could probably play
the restoration, which isn't a bad thing, but I'm just like,
but I really want to just try and present things
on a thirty five milimeter And the sponsoring thing, I
don't know. It's just a really great theater, and to
be honest, sometimes when places are out in what some
might describe as the boonies, like not that many people
go out there.
Speaker 3: I describe it as bf E bump fuck Egypt. Yes, right,
it's not in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 5: It's not it's there's things around it, but like it's
it's it's in the middle of nowhere in the set.
I mean, how do I say that? It feels almost
insulting to parts of Pennsylvania to say it's the middle
of nowhere. There's Pennsylvania that feel like nowhere, Ohio, Illinois,
and you're just like, is this a cornfield? Am I
gonna get killed by the mop? What's happening? And it's
truly there's some character, but like it's the character of
like late stage capitalism, where there's like it's a McDonald's.
There's a giant sign advertising what is it advertising that
you can advertise it's glowing, but there's a few gas
stations and it's not. But it is like street parking,
very like house diage nearby.
Speaker 2: I mean, how far is this from you?
Speaker 5: An hour?
Speaker 2: An hour? Oh that's not bad?
Speaker 3: Ye okay, what is it for you?
Speaker 2: Casey?
Speaker 5: For me?
Speaker 3: It's way further if I drove well, yeah, because no,
I think it'd be more. It might be two and
a half or three.
Speaker 5: So you could have a train.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know where the closest train station is.
That's the thing. It's like, it's not it's not conducive
to train.
Speaker 5: I mean, you could have betray and to New Jersey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. We've talked about this. Yes, that's right.
I might I need to do that at some point. Yeah,
it's tough. Well yeah, I mean well, and it's funny
because when when when Harry Garrow was doing Exhoomed films
at the Eye House in Philadelphia before the Eye House
went away, I drove up there for that, and that
was something else I could have I should have just
taken the train for because that's a hot skip and
a jump from the Philadelphia AM Track station. But now
it's no longer there, so they have to do it.
I think the Colonial they do it.
Speaker 5: I believe so. And they also do there's the Exzoomed
Films is kind of spread out to a few different
theaters and the gap is where it is one of them.
I don't I'm not the greatest with who is what
to who? So there's a lot of people that where
I'm just like I all these people are in the
gap orbit to me. But I'm just like, I don't
know who, who is who? But I know that Harry
is deeply involved with Yes, I think yeah, that I
was gonna say, I don't. I think I thought he did.
Speaker 3: I was researching and it was like a bit. I
think he's a co owner, but I don't remember.
Speaker 5: Now I'm overly hesitant about anything because I'm no one
to no one.
Speaker 3: Listen. If I say it I'm wrong, I'll get an
email and I'll correct it in the next show. I'm
not concerned.
Speaker 5: It's a great theater and I want people to go
to it. But I meant that.
Speaker 2: You're sponsoring this upcoming June fifth Grindhouse triple feature. Right,
is that you.
Speaker 5: On the House volume three Italian? Your favorite starlet?
Speaker 2: Really, well, not my favorite trailer, I know, I hope.
Speaker 3: You don't know. You don't know who.
Speaker 5: Are your favorite Darlett It's like, can we name some starlets?
Because I asked for for some like what's some things
the theater would like to tease about the event? And
I didn't I didn't give them a time so they
might respond.
Speaker 8: You're trying to get to get what I wanted to
I want, I wanted things to say to to YouTube
and the audience to just give kind of a here's
the reason why.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's already so many reasons. It's on thirty
five millimeter films aren't going to get shown, it's from
Harry Garrow's, uh the Exzooms films archives, like it's good
ship that you're not going to see pactically anywhere else
unless it's at an Exzoom film things. But they have
not communicated really anything.
Speaker 2: That's how they want to do it. They want to keep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's as I think part of that is also
a legal thing. I think we talked about that on
our group chat. Is that. Yeah. I think the less
information the better, because you really don't want rights holders
to come out of the woodwork and be like, well
you can't show this, you only like two grand or
more for a screening, when it's just like, well, we
just won't say what they are and it'll be a
nice surprise and then when they find out after there's
no evidence that we did it.
Speaker 5: So you know, nice.
Speaker 2: Posts about it, Yes.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I don't know, Gentry, who are some of
your favorite Italian starlets.
Speaker 2: We know one, well, yeah, Andy Bell is adopted Italian starlett.
I guess you could say, of course, we got Laura
Gamzer and my number one probably.
Speaker 3: Love Resalbanari, Barbara Bouchet, Ajita Wilson, dag Marlssander, Gloria Guida,
Love Glory Guida, Lee La Karati. Yeah, like Gentry, you
don't have these at the top of your head.
Speaker 2: Well, think you said there's just so many.
Speaker 3: There are, but I definitely have them. They're on my
mind at all times. Yeah, I'm always They're always at
the on my frontal lobe at all times.
Speaker 2: So well, you know, I just woke up to the
news today of Zudi Rayah passing away. She was an
Ettrian Italian star that definitely hasn't gotten enough love. So
I'd love to see one of her films projected on
thirty five millimeter. Yeah, but yeah, there's so many I'm
not sure what they're going to show off. So I
am looking closely at what's going to happen with the
gap there that you're you're sponsoring.
Speaker 5: I'll communicate things as soon as I know. I maybe
even other people will. But it's not a thing that
I'm particularly the most knowledgeable on, even exploitation exploitation pictures.
I have more of a I'm just really I love
a lot of things very and I'm very into film
and a lot of very odd film. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I forgot to mention in my intro I was gonna
be like Jeffrey Petron, one of the few people who
I think logs more movies on letterbox than me.
Speaker 5: I know, Yeah, I put myself to shame.
Speaker 2: That's what I say. Like, at the end of the year,
everybody's like, oh, look at my stats, I watched this
many movies. I'm like, guys, I'm not even gonna tell
you how many I watched because it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: You know, Wednesday, this foundation will create a better world.
No more overpopulation, no more poverty and one no more
genetic muck ups, and just call it Peanut cocks contribution
to the Brave New World and civilization. When I do go, doc,
I want you to take this one in five eight
tench penis of mine, cut it off, pickle it in formaldehyde,
and put it in some sort of a museum. You
understand that, doctor, Yes, you find that amusing, don't you.
Speaker 5: I guess it is.
Speaker 7: No, I don't find its amusing at all.
Speaker 5: But also these films are are not the most easy
to watch. Some of them, I would say, are pretty
easy watch, even though there's peanut sized penuses that get pickled.
But I personally was I think Gulber and the Love
Factory is an incredibly watchable I think I think you
can show that movie on TCM. I'm gonna just let's
randomly say that I I would like to see it
on TCM.
Speaker 2: Set the stage because you went, okay, so the gap theater,
I can't had a how did they build this? This
was like as a mystery.
Speaker 5: This was a mystery mystery midnight program midnight that they do.
Yeah yeah, And they've occasionally done things where they've shown
a Door Spitsman movie. I think in a similar that
might have been a gap Brindhouse program. But they've shown
Double Agent seventy three thirty five milimeter there as well
as the David F. Friedman movie Johnny Firecloud, but not
just something weird stuff they also did for this might
have also been a gas brind House, but they definitely
and it might have been a gap brind House at Midnight,
but I'm not the most familiar on their programming. They
did like Last House on the Left as a double
feature with something, but this was a Mystery Midnight and
it was a very odd kind of situation, at least
for me because having seen the film and I've been
actually rewatching it again on DVD, it's practically the same
film except for the title change and maybe maybe the
no back credit is cut out, but that might have
just been the state of the print. It might have
just jumped ahead and just didn't have that, or they
just might have cut it out. But it was or
was an accidental thing.
Speaker 2: So the print you saw had the Love Explosion title
on it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is not at least when I thought was
not listed on letterbox as an alternate title for the film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I never heard of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Mike did drum Bar or anybody say anything
about the history of this print.
Speaker 5: There was a comment when we came into the theater
it was a very exciting evening, and Caitlin Drummore made
a common I believe this isn't exactly the film that
we thought it was because of the name, because I
think they thought it was going to be booby trapped because.
Speaker 3: What Thank god he didn't have to suffer that piece
of ship. Oh my god, that's funny that they is
booby chop. Oh my god, it's terrible. But it did
come out. There was an X rated version that I
think was called Love Explosions. Yeah, and so that makes
sense that they would be that that that that's where
the confusion came from. Uh. No, Booby Trap is terrible
if you haven't seen it. The best thing about it
is the opening music by Vic Lance, who did the
music from Mantis and Lace and you know all these
other movies. That's it and something weird. Love the music
so much they usually used it on those galleries of
posters and stuff. They would just rip it and use
it on repeat. It's a really good electronic score. The
movie is such a piece of shit. It's so bad.
Speaker 5: I think the music is one of the best things
in wildbad to be there. But yeah, it's definitely some
of these the music is sort of the main sticking point,
and occasionally if there's not, it can really uh like
Last Off Girls is kind of outside of the music.
There not I mean there's not, but like there's not
the most of like a cohesive narrative outside of you know,
like even when it's like like the the sort of
Beatles testiche like at the end, like it's just sort
of like and now randomly we're gonna do a goofy
funny Beatles fit with like the Richard lin Lester kind
of filmmaking money. But there's not like but a lot
of these films kind of don't have There's a lot
of questions that you get, and I'm sort of I
get really just they sit in my brain to where
I'm not able to talk about them because I'm like,
just I'm still thinking about the Howard Hughes thing, and
because I don't really think there is a.
Speaker 2: Howard I know kind.
Speaker 5: Of either that or Secret Places, Secret Things. And that's
more so just because I'm a fan from what has
been said and being able to see it because of
the Patreon. Your Patreon.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like you like original music. That's what
I'm hearing that.
Speaker 5: I'm just a music person. I came to film. Film
and music are sort of you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, no, I agree, Yeah, me too, I agree
to Well the music and Secret Places, Secret Things is
library music, but it's good library music.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, but you know who's in secret place?
Speaker 3: What Naola? Naola, She's in wilbur Yes, she's one of
the She's one of the factory girls.
Speaker 5: Excuse me, I think it is conception room girls.
Speaker 2: Conception room exception. Yes, she's one of the girls that
has to hit the like red button when the like
sex crazed maniac is kind of like confusing rain is
like getting fried by the heat of sex.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I do love there is like because some
films you might not have had any exposition on who
is that character, and there almost isn't any But it
is interesting to have the rich guy comment on like
we've had enough of cases like the Boo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost.
Speaker 5: Wish there was a musical like Stinger for when they
talked about the ball, like they had the music they
were making music for the like Ronnie Ronnie Blakey only
does like a one year song and is like why
not have a boo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, tell me about the crowd.
Speaker 5: Pretty good? Uh? Pretty good for not great, which is
why you need to go.
Speaker 3: Well you think if we said we if you if
I said that I was going, do you think that
people would show up because I was there?
Speaker 5: I don't know, but possibly for perspective, and it might
have just been the kind of movie. But I was
the only person so far who's reviewed the film from
the showing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder that i'd check that too, because I
was like, who else is reviewing this? Man?
Speaker 5: There were people in the theater, but it wasn't well,
I mean there were people at the Secure con showing
that I did that did review the film, Like even
if it's like a few people, it was like the
gap Brian Houses for there's been people and not the
I didn't really even see a from the people in
the theater look like we watched it. I'm maybe they
didn't like it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Novak is a bit of a odd flavor because the
plot of the movie is sort of.
Speaker 2: I actually think it's one of Novak's more approachable films.
It's not wall sex. There is a story, and I
think even before I read Casey's review, I was going
to say, like, wow, this kind of feels like a
russ Meyer film, Like this it's.
Speaker 3: Very ros Meyer because because it's Tom McGowan. Tom McGowan
wrote Cherry Harry and Mrquel and then yeah, you can
tell that he was like, well, Terry Harry Mkeel completely
self self imploded because one of the stars ran off
because she thought that russ Meyer was secretly shooting like
footage of her nether regions from like a scope, you know,
telescope camera, So she ran off. And so I don't
know what his original script was because Wade didn't get that.
So I feel like this was his version of like, Okay,
I'm gonna make my own movie. I'm gonna direct it,
and it's gonna be my movie. But it's also very conservative,
like a russ Meyer movie. I mean, yes, yes, but
the editing is quick, the photography is very colorful, like
it's very and just like russ Meyer, he doesn't get
the counterculture at all, Like he doesn't get the youth
of today at all, like he doesn't know what he's doing.
Speaker 5: It had a weird also Roger Formany vibe where the
lead almost kind of looks like it looks almost how
do I say this? He's the lead is the son
of Lansford, but he has a similar vibe to the
son of Henry Fonda. Peter Fonda almost looks like he
almost looks like Peter Fonda playing Roger Foreman when he
or even like we're more like, I don't. He looks
like someone trying to play a studio executive when he's
like outside of the protest group and talking with the
old lady where he has the short sleeve shirt and
the colored shirt on, where it's just like, I'm not
really a part of this world, Like there's not there's
this weird hint of almost being a I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm he's very square.
Speaker 5: He's he's very square, but he does not look.
Speaker 3: Like he belongs in that world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he seems like he's almost playing someone's son. I'm
not sure if that's just because he the acting isn't
quite there to be beyond like I am Henry, I
am I am Glenford's son. I was in GUILDA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit of the weaker link was that
that lead because he's like, yeah, we meet him, he's
living out in a in a tent. You know, he's
supposed to be like kind of like an off the
grid anti war type, and he doesn't look like that type.
He doesn't really even act like that type.
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of people that were doing that
stuff weren't real late there were people that were getting
involved as with any kind of situation. Yeah, for the girls,
wasn't it. It doesn't seem like that was.
Speaker 3: They're not all.
Speaker 2: Like you're cookie you cutter like hippie types, is what
you're trying to say, Like.
Speaker 5: That kind like Hunter s. Thompson didn't look like a
hippie mm hmm, you know, un Thompson or like even
Tom Wolf, you know, sure that that's a right guy.
Speaker 3: That's true. Well, but honestly, even the idea of like
a protest for higher business is very fox News coded,
Like we're hearing this ship now that people are like, well,
these people are getting paid to be protesters, And I'm like,
of course Tom, of course Tom McGowan thinks this, like
he of course he thinks that there's nothing to really protest,
so you had to get paid to do it. Just like,
what are you talking about.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go run that idea over to Suzanne Scott
and see what she's thinking thinks of it.
Speaker 3: It's just crazy, Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. You
watch it, But that's that's why it's kind of like
a lot of films, like the Corman movies and other
movies of that period. It's like these are clearly clearly
being made by very square, middle a aged men who
don't understand this, this movement or this culture at all.
Speaker 2: Plot hinges on overpopulation, which is which.
Speaker 3: Is a genuine concern, but accept it, except it's a
genuine concern without racism to involve, which I think is
kind of what McGowan might have been coming from.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's something that's kind of thrown me off that
I just wanted to see if it could be elucidated
a little bit. So the plan is to sterilize people population,
to curve overpopulation by having these people have sex. Is
it that they're they're being fed the drugs that will
sterilize them, that will like what's the is it that
they're gonna make sterile babies? And then children of men happened.
Speaker 3: It's like a master race kind of thing. It's like
a like adjacent thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Hell, Like how.
Speaker 2: Because the guy they pick, yeah he's had he has
like a perfect specimen, Yeah he has perfect genes and.
Speaker 5: Yep, but like they're giving him how are they giving
him like a viagraa drug or are they giving him
a drug that sterilizes him or is it like what
the drug in the movie what Yeah.
Speaker 2: They don't really elaborate on the drug that much, do they.
I don't think No, don't overthink that, Jeffrey.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to over im just when it starts
playing with you, I'm just like, like, I mean, like
it doesn't need to work because it's a bad idea.
The only part of the guy's plan that the sure
fire success.
Speaker 2: You're talking about w W, like what his his.
Speaker 5: The only part of his plan that works really on
some level is the part to kill his air with
the free math.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot I thought at all.
Speaker 5: And there's a there's a security kind of detail that's
following both what our leader is doing, but also the
setup of the doctor that is seemingly working for w
W that is like an operator to be like, Okay,
send the guys in now to kill the like killer
now right. And I just I thought the masks worked great.
I there was yeahs talent, not like like it's almost
comical brutality because like it's don't they're like basically air rifles,
but like they're just like I don't think we killed her.
We gotta keep firing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see why people would have walked out
of this movie, like not really rushing to log it
because maybe they don't know what to say, because I think, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Well, they also couldn't find it if it's not logged
as Love Explosions isn't listed as an AKA for wiling
their baby Factory, they're not going to find it to
log either.
Speaker 2: I guess I forget that people don't like spend the
time to figure these things out, like maybe they.
Speaker 3: Would unless unless Caitlin told them what the movie actually was,
then they're not. They're not gonna know.
Speaker 5: I don't think so. The theme song does have at
the baby Factory, Well, true, Lead's character is the name.
Speaker 3: Wilbur Right, but that's it. You have to use contact
clues to find.
Speaker 5: It though, that's who at the time these days.
Speaker 3: No, well, if the movie confused them enough, they're not
going to be like, okay, what Love Explosions. Yeah, I
don't know. I think that was probably the issue, and
you have to update TMDb and then they'll update letter box,
which is a whole nother thing that I don't even
bother with.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, it's funny, you know, Jeffrey that you
kind of narrowed it down a bit when you were
trying to figure out what movie they might be playing
based on the run time, and I think you even
thought that. I think a Novak was pretty high on
your list, and it did turn out to be a Novak.
Speaker 5: I really wanted to see a Novak film because things
to go back to Howard, Hugh, Me and Novak kind
of maybe a little bit. I do you mind if
I ask about that when, because I do you know
when his years at RKO are just as a quick
side thing. Yeah, he was there in the thirties. He left,
but I believe he did come back before.
Speaker 3: Novak wasn't there at arkat that early. No, he was
not in the he was only he was kind of
fift Yeah, yeah, like the Howard he was. He was
there during the Howards era when RKO was dying. Yeah,
he was there.
Speaker 5: He left and then came back when the Howard era
had like early thirties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he's yeah that Yeah, he was way too
young because he was Yeah, he was way too young
to have done that. He was in there. He was
there with Seymour BORDI was there at the same time.
It was like, yeah, that was when they were dying.
It was yeah, it was those Howard Hughes era when
they didn't know what they were doing.
Speaker 5: That they didn't know what they were doing. It's they
were actively thinking of bad ideas, like let's get the
studio down and root out all the communists. Let's do
a legal labor racket this to get the communists. Let's
make a movie called I Married a Communist. This is
the only movie we're making at the goddamn studio. It's
I Married a Communists. It's Woman on Peer.
Speaker 3: Nineteen, right, yes, that's right, when I'm your nineteen like.
Speaker 5: It though, Like it's just like, who wants to see
a movie called like like, it's it's.
Speaker 3: Too bladed, like it's of its time.
Speaker 5: It's just of its time. It's also as.
Speaker 3: Didn't Warner Brothers? Isn't Warner Brothers?
Speaker 5: Did?
Speaker 3: I was a Communist for the FBI? Yeah, that's another title.
That's even Yeah, that's terrible rights, that's we have Warner
Brothers as well, I think. Yeah, all the little b
all the little b units of these studios were doing
stuff like that. It had to be it had to
be very exploitive. They had to sound like exploitation movies.
That's how you get people in to see these little
pieces of ship that they made for like no money,
and it did.
Speaker 5: Massive pieces that Howard made for a lot of money
and lost like his kind of woman the hottest combination
on the screen of that thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really like that one.
Speaker 5: Like like and this is a this is an advertising
thing because Terry Novack with in advertising, wasn't related to
this advertisement campaign because Novack work with this right his
kind of woman. There was a billboard made like in
a premium spot in Los Angeles for the film had
actual flames that came out and it was a hazard
and I believe like was like burnt up the poster
like like Howard Hughes was like all in on, Like, no,
it has to be literal flames that shootout.
Speaker 3: I think Novak was in sales. Now, I don't think
he was in marketing. I think he was in the sales.
That would make more sense, yeah, like yeah Novak. I
was like, don't make me defend Novak, but that was not.
Speaker 5: But I think he was involved in that movie. I
think he might have been involved with stuff related to
the Disney films because there was an agreement. The reason
I might I mentioned the thirties is Disney's first like
film distribution or release. We're going to release films through
a c with r KO in nineteen thirty thousand, and
that continued until nineteen fifty three with the release of
the movie. This is the first time anyone's gonna say
this film on this podcast. But unless it's cut out,
which the Rob Royhigland rogue.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: But something about that release and just built up stuff.
I think with just how Howard Use handled movies and
handled ur KAO, Disney was just like Guena Vista.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of they became. Yeah, that was their own thing, right.
Speaker 5: I love that this movie is like its own little
It is trying to be a counter culture, but it
does end up being counterculture of its own. And that's
it fits in the kind of category of Novak titles,
even though the Novak wasn't I don't think related to
the production, Like it's the thing that he probably just fought, right,
But like there's there's a level of just like immature
comedy that you could also find in a more cranked
up degree in a wham band, Thank you man. That
thing right, it it has an almost I could see
why potentially someone like Novak watch system was just like,
that's going to be a box office internation. Even if
you didn't. It just has like a the name even
it's just.
Speaker 2: It's got it's got a little bit of sex. It's
got like that topical theme the draft. Sure, he's like,
yeah this, I can sell this and.
Speaker 3: It looks expensive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it looks pretty good for his exploitation.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not it's not it's not a it's
not a Buckaloop Perry thing shot in like a studio film.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, you're at the baby factory, like twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: In, like it takes a little while for it to
all get going.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right.
Speaker 3: I think it's mistake was not releasing a promo single
of that song though. I think that should have been
a hit. That's that song should have been a hit,
Like you know, I don't think Novak was very smart
about appear. Only did a of promo forty five for
Mantis and Lace, but maybe it didn't do well, so
he was just like, we're not doing this again.
Speaker 5: The music is not to sound like a hipster. The
music does it's great for nineteenth for release of nineteen seventy,
even if it was like filmed in nineteen sixty nine.
It seems it sounds a little outdated in a way
where like, how do I say this? The youth of
the time would have been more like it's not the thing,
because like there's if you're going for a youth market,
they're already potentially gone to the Stooges or whatever, as
opposed to like I'm struggling to think of an LA band,
but like.
Speaker 3: Well the Doors. The Doors was huge in seventy big
LA band Jim Morrison ever heard. But yeah, it's like
I don't I what you're saying, but I think in
terms of you mean in terms of like garage band stuff,
because that's what this music is. It's a garage band song.
Speaker 5: Basically The Doors would have been like like really well
known to where like almost even the Grateful Dad would
have been like too, like we're past the Grateful Dad
almost for some people. But also music is timeless, so
it's it's it's like a nonsense kind of you know,
I wasn't there. It might have been more, it might
have sounded more fresh for the time considering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you're saying, Yeah, that it might
have already been like a little pass a when it
came out is kind of what you're saying, right, Jeffrey.
Speaker 5: Because like even in some of the library music I
was in, some of the films for the time probably
started to feel like after you've heard like some of
like the mood one or how like the Thing's on,
but something the greatest hits and like a few of
the films, like by nineteen sixty nine, if you had
her like one of those in this film, it would
have been like a little more obvious than that. But
like to me at least that those two kind of
sounds are very similar.
Speaker 2: Mm.
Speaker 3: Well, even like comparing it to something like Beyond the
Value of a Dolls came out that same year, Like
if that music feels more contemporary just because it's it's
Lynn Carrey from Mama Lion and she's like doing a
Janis Joplin kind of thing, even that's more contemporary than
this song, which does sound like at least two or
three years old. It sounds like a Barry Maguire even
Destruction sort of the vocals there. Yeah, so it sounds
like a protest song, but not as like finesse as
protest music had but come by nineteen seventy.
Speaker 5: I'm like very persnickity about like about like bands and
music and films run it's like it's not it's like
an avocado. It's just too soon, it's too late, and
a lot of it is too late. The only time
that I think it was right on the Pole and
it's not shown in a great manner, and I don't
think the recording is presented that well. But it's the
Yardbirds and blow Up. I think that was really the
only like on the Polt like because it was a
little bit ahead of where it was recorded in sixty
six but released in sixty seven, and you have this
tiny time capsule of when you know Jeff Beck and
Jimmy Pace were playing guitar in that band, and it's
you had de velvet them covering Development Underground. They were
like really on the they were a popular Ish band
that were fading, that were like they were going to
become led Zeppelin, and in the last year they were
covering developt Underground live like that That is to me
like on the Polk in a way that a lot
of but it no one cares about that stuff because
it wasn't really a lot of these things that I
end up being like it's not, it's not. It probably
sold some copies, a lot more copies.
Speaker 3: Right, well, even actually remembering I already mentioned beyond the
mentioning beyond the Valley of the Dolls again, like the
Strawberry Strawberry alarm clock doing incense and peppermints in nineteen seventy,
that's a three year old song. Like nobody would be
happy to have that band at their house party in
the Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 5: Like that is so outdated. It's just like what the
prize in the Hollywood Hills. The standards are a little.
Speaker 3: Lower actually considering the age of well, yeah, we're talking
like people who are again in their mid thirties a
little older.
Speaker 9: So yeah, not exactly I meant on the post, But
like if you if it was like a capital record
party with a bunch of drugs paid for it by people,
you you know, even if.
Speaker 5: The band's awful, it's not like there's money behind it
in a way where like you watch a film like
Wilbur and the Baby Factory and there's not really money
behind it, but you can tell nudes.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. I mean, you got
to remember, like the money behind these movies they don't
have the most to spend towards the hottest acts going, you.
Speaker 5: Know, and that's why I love what it is. Like.
You know, I can be persnickety, but it's it's really groovy.
It's a really it's a really fun There's a second
song in the movie that I don't I'm not sure
if it's by the same band that does the the theme,
but I'm not even sure what the song title is.
But uh, pay now, you'll pay now, You'll pay later,
something like that or years go By. That's a really
good song. Yeah, Like it's got like a like you
can imagine almost the bands, like the way the singer
of the band, Charlie kind of has like a weirdam
You can almost imagine someone doing that to that song.
Speaker 4: As year well, that and the memorys grow with the
time moving fast and you shout no one hears as.
Speaker 6: The years roll by, So play down your pay Lada.
Speaker 5: There will be time.
Speaker 4: For you to cry, yeah, pay down your pay later.
Speaker 6: As the years roll by, years roll by.
Speaker 8: Years row by.
Speaker 3: Last Off Girls should have been about that band, Charlie. Honestly,
first the first band is way more interesting. But because
that's like a real grungey garage band. Not these people
trying to be like super super cool like Beatles, British
Invasion people. It's like, well it's nineteen sixty seven, let's
maybe get into the garage band era.
Speaker 5: Not these I mean not the I like the noise.
I like the noise kind of like weird. Is it
like an according what is that like? Yeah? I just
I just think it's so books. That's what I love.
Oh my god, I love that little like band that's
bickering with an not just little like promoter man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 5: Like I also like, I love this naughtiness of the
band Charlie when they just go into a good night Yeah,
like that.
Speaker 3: I would have I would have it should have been them,
because then we also would have gotten more Steve White.
And instead he leaves the movie and Steve White is
like a superstar from just for the hell of It,
Just for the hell of it, Like we needed more
Steve White movies, honestly.
Speaker 5: And wasn't he also in the twa Double on a Wheel.
Speaker 3: Yes, he went down to Florida with Lancy LeNoble and
I think Roy Kelodi and then he's an alley tramp.
He sleeps with the Alley Tramp. He's Alley, isn't it?
Ali chanps brother now or just a boyfriend? I don't remember.
I don't need to rewatch that movie right now.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen either of those movies. She Devils on
wheels because of the fantastic essay that Gentry Austin, mister
Gentry music and last stuff girls that's included, of course,
and the ap relye. It's the thing that you should
buy if you haven't bought it. Why haven't you bought it?
This is gonna come out during partner Montre anyone.
Speaker 3: That's very stuff. Yes, I'm not paid by anyone.
Speaker 5: I've played people to do I'm not paid by anyone.
You should buy it.
Speaker 3: We need that blue, we need that slipcase to sell out. People,
go buy that. It's starting June first.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not going to be on camera, but buy it.
Speaker 3: Holding it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what can we say? Final thoughts on Wilbur
I mean it's a yeah, that's such an odd choice.
I'm glad that they but.
Speaker 3: You want to do a whole episode on it. To
be honest, it needs a deeper dive.
Speaker 2: It does need some context and some discussion.
Speaker 3: Around it.
Speaker 2: I feel like to really understand what was going on.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, because there's also an aristic hats connection, but
I'm not I'm not the one to talk about that now.
Speaker 3: Tom McGowan, who did the movie, wrote the story for
the Aristocats the same year, like, he was very active
in Hollywood. He yeah, like, so for him to do
this little movie, it's very unusual. But I loved it
no more. He died like he died right. He died
a couple of years after the DVD came out, and
I was so mad because we didn't get a commentary.
We didn't get stories about the product of this movie
because Novak's not going to say anything. He had nothing
to do with the production.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the Tom McGowan piece, Yeah, that's the That's
that unlocks it, I think.
Speaker 5: M hm ye. But there are even though Novak wasn't,
there are quite a few. I meant to bring this
up earlier, but I kind of wanted to wait until
the end. But there are quite a few number of
Redheads and No Back films did seem to have like
a what the deal with No Back? Redhead? I know,
I love him. I wonder that too.
Speaker 2: It's funny because yeah, that's why I'm always like, well,
you know, I'm I'm arguing with Casey a little bit
in terms of I feel like some of these Novak
films like feel like a piece, you know, they sort
of do feel interconnected, even though they're clearly not. Novak
is just purchasing these films and distributing him right. I
think he did have a certain eye towards what he
wanted to distribute, and I think if he saw a
hot redhead, he was like more likely to distribute that film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure, but that is yeah, I mean, but yeah,
I think my disagreement with you is over whether there's
a Novak aesthetic, and there is no Novak aesthetic because
it's multiple filmmakers that just happen to have the same
type of stuff that Novak is looking for. Yeah, it's not. Yeah,
It's kind of like people saying Freelom Confidential is a
Rosstlar movie because it looks like a Roster movie. Is
like you're describing every black and white movie shot in
California at that time. They all look the same. It's
like you can't attribute it to one person. Yeah, California
films are much less distinctive than New York films on
that way. For me, they're all kind of there's a
monotone to their esthetic. Sure, unless you're rus Meyer, then
they're all very different.
Speaker 5: Which is why something like, at least for me and
having not seen but I fully agree with what you
did that Casey, why something like l ten Girls, even
though it's kind of a massive a movie with that's
been exciting besides it being the Lost Why with such
like there's like these interesting, like even the boring kind
of baffling elements of like a lot of shots of
a bedside radio. It's an odd bedside radio that I've
like never seen before. Like it's like even just like
these little things of just of of that happy pride
by the way moving.
Speaker 3: Oh, actually that reminds me. Yeah, there's one person on
this call who's seen Playpang Girls and it's not either
member of the Sin syndicate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Harry, that can you scan that for us? Send us?
Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good. I don't need to see it.
You can send it to Gentry. I'll pass.
Speaker 5: You're not mentioning much considering like I'm sure flesh and
uh what flesh and smoke smoking flesh.
Speaker 3: What's oh smoking flash is great?
Speaker 5: Butter Brickle, Like, you're not gonna have a thene with
butter Brickle, nojasical.
Speaker 2: Don't you want to at least like complete that? Victor
Bertini like, uh, you know, see everything he's involved with.
Speaker 3: At least no, he has he has gathering of evil,
which I'm much more interested in seeing. That was a
funny thing looking listening back and knowing that you and
Alex both were dying to see this based on that
terrible trailer, I was really surprised. I was like, guys,
there's nothing in this trailer that indicates there's any kind
of story or anything going on here. It looks like
just a bunch of sex in an apartment, Like there's
sometimes that it's not interesting, No, you need to look
and also badly photographed. So I'm just like, no, yeah,
now what's the other one? Teach me how to do it?
That I could see being good because it's well photographed
and it's the same thing where it's a bunch of
people having sex in an apartment but nothing but playpen girls.
Speaker 5: I was like, pass passa.
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, Jeffrey before we sort of
start to wrap up. So this DVD that this was
released on wilbur there's the second film on there, Tanya.
You got a chance to watch that? Yeah, what did
you think of Tanya?
Speaker 5: I hate insect I hate it insect man?
Speaker 4: Oh you hate it?
Speaker 2: You hate insects. Yeah, that's the line that they keep saying.
Speaker 3: That's the best part of that movie.
Speaker 5: There's a scene where a revolutionary is violently spraying with
like a can of not raid but like buck pray
in sext and just being like ad.
Speaker 3: That is legitimately hilarious like that, that is the best
part of the.
Speaker 4: Play.
Speaker 5: Pen and Girls to me, isn't as disappointing in some
respect as a movie like Kanya is, because like Kanya
acknowledges at the start, and it's hilarious that it does.
But like some might say, there's too much sex in
this movie, it kinda is a little bit for like
how little of a movie it is. There's a little
bit too much sex in it and not like enough
Patty hurts plaitation. Yeah, But also I think it's it's
a fascinating.
Speaker 2: I think it's funny. I think it's also genuinely funny
when it's making jokes. But it is very much of
the beats are very much like exposition, a little bit
of exposition, sex scene, exposition sex scene, right.
Speaker 3: And also it's just it's one of those things where
it's so late for softcore. It's just like this is
this is not going to That's the thing that the
only way to bring the people into the theater was
that Patty Hurst angle. But then you also had Patty
the Jennifer Jordan Sarah Nicholson New York movie that came
out around the same time, which I think that is lost,
except the negative is around. I thought Michael Bowen had
those elements and maybe sold them to someone. I don't
know what happened to it.
Speaker 5: But so you have that one, I.
Speaker 3: Think I believe is hardcore. So you have a hard
core Tanya Patty Hurst movie, and then you have this,
and then and then that the Patty movie also got
like a soundtrack LP, like I got a major release.
She showed up, Jennifer Jordan showed up on SNL as
Patty Hurst. And then you can see her on like
the season I think it's season two DVD in the
audience they do a little cutaway to her, and so
they were promoting the ship out of that. So then
it's like, well, what the hell is Tanya compared to
this major X rated X rated project.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they missed the boat with that one. But I
think it's still a fun movie.
Speaker 3: It's good. Marie Arnold is greatest.
Speaker 2: I see Marie and Arnold and Tally just like, yes.
Speaker 3: They're both fun. Yeah, Marie Arnold is so Yeah. Eventually
she becomes she becomes too revolutionary even for them, which
is very relatable because there are people who become too
woke and then go all they go a little too woke.
It's just like, okay, calm.
Speaker 2: Down, Like but you know what made me laugh the
hardest Casey is seeing Patrick show up in his outfit.
Speaker 3: He's always a cop to death. Yeah, yeah, I thought.
I don't remember if I asked Tally who made that.
I feel like I must have because that was something
that I was That was one of her movies I
was a big fan of. I have to re listen
to my interview with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's very cheap.
Speaker 3: It's shot in like two locations. Yeah, it's a lot
of outdoor yard footage. Yeah. I do enjoy that one though.
Speaker 2: It's uh yeah, I think that needs some more love.
I don't know, I don't know how it would go
over these days.
Speaker 3: That was when I gave four and a half stars
that I rewatched and it went down to three and
a half because I was crazy when I reviewed it.
But yeah, it's definitely worthwhile. I I, uh, yeah, I
recommend it because I love Marie Arnold. I want more
people to know who Marie Arnold is.
Speaker 2: So agreed. All right, Jeffrey, Well, thanks for coming on
and chatting about the Gap, So remind us again with
the upcoming gap stuff is the dates.
Speaker 5: June fit jeff Brian House volume three, and pay attention
to this face and there's gonna be something interesting coming
up that I'm in talk to you and maybe even
another thing that I don't even know who that is.
But also there there's the letterbox lists that I made
that I sort of put more I've kind of put
too much time and focused into like actually being like,
what what would be my top ten? Uh, you can
go and potentially like that.
Speaker 2: Oh your top ten sexploitation or your top ten you
want to see at the Gap.
Speaker 5: The patrons exploitation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna put that in the show notes. Yeah,
I'll put that.
Speaker 5: What I want to see at the gap is basically
anything that the whole films, especially something weird stuff. Really,
I've been in a mood to program Italian films and
that's that's what the first three have been through it
of all Italian. Yeah, and not just three Italian films.
It's ended up being five Italian films. Depending on what
this next one is, it might have just been four
Italian films, but it's a lot more than I originally anticipated.
And I just want to get that interesting Italian cinema
out there, especially stuff that hasn't been seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now try to get try to screen to be
twenty and let's see how that goes with an audience.
I don't know if you get on thirty five. I
wish you luck with that. I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think they can. I would, yeah, but then
I feel like that was on my list at some
point and I took it off.
Speaker 3: It's a great movie. It's just it's how do you
how do you walk out of the theater after that?
You know, that's a tough one, or you have to
follow it with something more upbeat and wholesome. I think
you can't. You can't end the night on that and
send people out into the night after that brutal ending.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if you're out at the Gap June fifth, say
hi to Jeffrey.
Speaker 3: He'll be there.
Speaker 5: Oh God, be there.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say to greet people, I feel like
you should. I feel like you should be the greeter.
Speaker 5: I there's other people that are more Harry Garo, whose
friends are is much more capable of faith, and I
would really like to just I've said this a lot,
but I am really thankful to all the people that Gap,
and especially Harry Gero. I'm really thankful, especially to Michael
for doing the interview that I did on the show.
Very nice. I believe the Wilburg Prince was his, and
that is just I really love saying box Office International
Pictures stuff. For whatever reason, I don't know what's wrong
with me. A lot of things. No, I got it
one of those films on thirty five millimeter, and to
have it be as good of a film considering a
lot of the stuff isn't as good, you know, like
the Sexy South, you know that dbcse DBD case. I'm
willing to give them a shot if anyone has a
copy that they don't want and are very angry at me.
You can throw a copy at my head. I will
be hit in the head, but don't worry. I will
now have a copy of Sexy South, so just don't
even worry about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Sexy South collection, I think goes for a
pretty hefty price if you want to yelling fortune.
Speaker 3: I was rooting for Toy Box if it wasn't gonna
be Wilburn. I know. My my theory was toy Box
because I think in the in the sen Sindicet chat
we were we were throwing at titles of stuff we
thought it could have been, and I was hoping for
a toy Box because that's the Toy Box is a
great midnight movie. It's it's basically rocky horror with more sex.
It's great. It's it's really good.
Speaker 2: Maybe one day and it did.
Speaker 5: I would have been.
Speaker 3: Okay with either of those. Actually, yes, and Toys Are
Not for Children would have been great, Except that's another one.
How do you go home after that?
Speaker 8: You can't?
Speaker 3: How do you go home after that?
Speaker 5: What about the Secret Sex Fives of Romeo and Julien?
What about that?
Speaker 3: I love that one, but I don't know. That's the
thing in terms of programming, because when I was programming,
that was always a concern, was that there's too much
sex if it comes monotonous and boring in a certain
theatrical settings. So that's why the country stuff would be
very difficult. Romeo and Juliet would be difficult, and Tory's
Cleipatra like all those things would be tough. But something
like wilbur which is like more like a quote unquote
real movie, it flows much better. And so a Toy
Boxes is straddling that line where there's Almo it's too
much sex, but it's so weird that I think the
whole experience would be good.
Speaker 2: Well, agree, Yeah.
Speaker 5: The thing that I like about the Gap Theater is
that they seem to be potentially more willing to play
occasionally some more risk not risky, but like more sexy
stuff than maybe some other theaters. So, like, you know,
it might be a little bit it might not be
the easiest thing in the world to show about the
Buffalo movie or a Peter Perry Junior a movie at
the Gap Theater around thirty five millimeters, but why not
just because it isn't easy, doesn't doesn't mean that it
shouldn't be done because it's hard. That was dark.
Speaker 2: I would really like to model right there.
Speaker 3: There you go manchon Lace, I could see. I'm trying
to think of any Pete Perry movie. Kiss Me Quick? Actually,
that would be wild on my list.
Speaker 2: Just to see that on a big screen, I think, yes, yeah.
Speaker 5: I'm glad to have been your a sexual representative or whatever.
Speaker 3: Good, well, happy pride, it's for.
Speaker 5: I'm happy for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 3: That's good. Yeah, that's good. Actually, speaking of kiss Me Quick,
you know, I just I randomly connected with laslow Kovac's
daughter on TikTok okay and she's like, and I said,
I love your dad's early work, and she said, oh,
do you have anything you would recommend? And I was
kind of like, do I recommend she watched kiss Me
Quick or Mantis and Lace or any other sex movies
he shot because Ymela Honey is great. Yeah, it's kind
of It's like, I think her education starts with easy
Writer and everything before that she's not aware of. And
it's just like, well, if you can get in the
right mindset of like, this is not this is not
as exploitable women as you think it is right then
you And I think if you focus on the technical
skill of your father's work and not on the narrative,
I think you'd be fine. So watch Smell of Honey.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean that almost seems like a second
or a third one. But at the same time, like
what would be what would be the first?
Speaker 3: Like if I would say Manson Lace, Probably I think
it's the more accessible. It's basically a horror movie with
some sex in m and the color is really good,
you know. Yeah, so it's not Kiss Me Quick. The
color is better, but it's also like a bunch of strippers. Yeah.
I mean, I think it's a masterpiece. But I would
not recommend that to anybody blind to say, watch giuse
me quick?
Speaker 2: Right, Well, Jeffrey, should we leave it there for.
Speaker 3: Our short probably probably we could talk forever.
Speaker 2: But we are glad that you were able to give
a little report from the gap, and we will try
to get out there at some point. I know we
keep saying that out to the boondocks.
Speaker 5: Well, to b F maybe they could even try and
play the sinse then to get.
Speaker 3: No, oh, well, they don't need to show the movie
the sin syndicate. That thing's a piece of shit, But.
Speaker 5: If they wanted to, I think they should.
Speaker 3: No theater, Oh no, that movie is like sixty percent
stock footage. It's so terrible. And I do think if
we were able to sponsor uh uh, some screenings, maybe
a gap grind House sponsored by the Sin Syndicate, and
there were surprise screenings and we were able to pick
out of Harry's I know Harry has good ship, so
if we were able to pick some titles, it would
be nice surprises. And it's stuff that Gentry and I
could agree on because you know, not to glaze ourselves.
Gentry and I have good taste, so we would pick
the right movies for for something like that. So that's
I would love to do that.
Speaker 5: M hm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, future.
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to it, and it could happen, and
hopefully everyone involved would be down, but they all seem
they seem ecstatic about the potentiality of having y'all there.
But yeah, no pressure on.
Speaker 2: That touch base again, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: Well I've known Michael and Caitlin for years, so yeah,
I haven't seen them in a long time.
Speaker 4: So there's a new race with a new face, and
that's my lot, same as de duction that's in duction.
Speaker 7: It's a.
Speaker 6: New game and of the man that we should be
at Bay the Factory and the red light is the same.
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Speaker 6: If it's all right, it's my pleasure.
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Speaker 7: And now.
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