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Speaker 1: We're all owned by the Syndicate, body and soul or

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should I just say.

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Speaker 2: Bunny Hello, Filthy movie Lovers, Something weirdos and anti Criterion Bros.

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To the fifth episode of the short Ends, our repository

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for all the odds ends and ephemera that don't exactly

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fit into our full length episodes. It's also a place

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where we can have informal chats with some of our listeners, friends,

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and other sexploitation fans without the commitment of a typical,

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deeply researched sin Syndicate episode. In this short end, we

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will be talking with Jeffrey Patron, a New Jersey native

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and relatively new sexploitations super fan. You may remember Jeffrey

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from episode thirty seven Waiting for the Man, where he

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popped in to provide us with an on the street

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interview with Michael Drumbar, the programmer at the Gap Theater

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in wind Gap, Pennsylvania, as well as giving his thoughts

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on some of the secret sexploitation films they had been

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screening there. So we suggest you go back and listen

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to that segment if you haven't already, but stay tuned

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for our chat with Jeffrey at the end of this

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episode where he's going to talk about another mysterious gap

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screening that he attended. But first some news and updates. Casey,

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I think it was wise of us to do sort

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of a chill, short end style episode this week. Right,

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We've been busy.

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Speaker 3: Very busy. It's been quite a week and I'm I

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am tired.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we wrapped up extras. This week was kind of

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like the final countdown for the extra on the next

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District Picture release, which is coming out I believe in July.

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So that will be announced July first and then shipping

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end of July, and that's going to be exciting. You

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and Alex did something that I will not stop raving

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about and I cannot wait till people get a chance

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to see it. And we get to introduce another historian

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into the mix who hasn't done any extras before, and

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he is very happy release. Yeah, he's he's kind of

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been kind of an undiscovered historian with a lot of

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background in this particular subject on that release, so I'm excited.

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I was excited to get him involved for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So we wrapped up that. But as far

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as upcoming releases, I think by the time this episode

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is live, our June announcements will have been made, so

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I think we can quickly talk about those. Yeah, we've

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been teasing. So yeah, it's Partner month and so you've

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got a commentary for the documentary wad the Life and

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Times of John C. Holmes? Tell us a little bit

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a surprise. I was wondering what was

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going to happen with that because that was something that

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my friend Cass Paiey directed a long time ago, like

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thirty plus years ago. They were almost thirty years ago,

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and he directed it as well. It was directed partially

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financed by VCA, so it came out in an X

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ray version which had footage from whatever VCA John Holmes

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movies they had, and he put the name Wesley Emerson

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on that because that was his name he used in porn.

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That version is not even worth bothering with. The original

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festival version is the version that Film Movement is putting out.

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very close to, like we would talk every day. You know,

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he was very involved with I mean he started in

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the business in the mid seventies. He produced Health Spa

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and also produced Exposed, which is like one of the

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he passed away a few years ago, and that was

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he wasn't doing great, but he was someone I was

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thought would be around forever. And so when Justin the

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Liberty reached out and asked if I would do a commentary,

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at first I was like, well, it's John Holmes. I

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don't have anything to say about John Holmes. And then

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I realized, well, the documentary is about John Holmes. I

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wanted to take the opportunity to talk about Cast because

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talk about him in his career and what a great

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researcher he was, and what a great great he was,

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a great collaborator, and I miss him. I saved all

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from the perspective of making the film. But I don't

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know what the other extras are. So I'm excited too

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that because it cuts out actual interview footage to replace

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it with hardcore footage, hardcore sex scene. There's no reason,

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there's no reason to include that. It's it's Yeah, it's

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a it's a waste of time. So yeah, and it's

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so it's within the Hustler organized hustler organization, so nobody

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needs to see that. Nobody cares to see that, and

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because I have seen pop up every now and then

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like well I'm watching this, you know this, uh, this

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wad movie about John Holmes, but it's you know, there's

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hardly any hardcore in it. I'm like, well, right, well,

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there's a reason that it was made that way.

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scenes over and over and over. It was it was

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to focus on who he was and the interviews. I

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video interview that Annette Haven has ever given is in

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that he interviewed a Peg before she passed away. Like

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a lot of the it was really weird watching and

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doing the commentary because so many people that he interviewed

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never did any other interviews and they're no longer with us,

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people that passed away and really didn't get to do

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if you don't even if you're not and I've opened

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the commentary saying I'm not a John Holmes fan, so

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but the documentary is just so incredible because it shows

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the extent of the research and the documentation that Cass

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and talk to everybody, so we would find people for

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each other. And yeah, he's he was. When after he died,

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of quote unquote retirement, because I was just kind of like, well,

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if cast isn't around, like we were each other's best cheerleaders. Yeah,

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like we if we were feeling down, we would be like,

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you know, you got to keep doing this. And yeah,

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like I can learn a cheerleader as well, and we

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did cry on it. It was an emotional thing.

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to be a selling point. Yeah,

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to hear your thoughts on that release, Yeah, absolutely, Wait, yeah,

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that's it was fun. It was fun to You're also

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on another commentary solo.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we we we split duties. We did so. It

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was very random requests. ACTA said we're putting out this

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double feature and I still don't know why they put

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these two movies together. Maybe we'll find out when it's

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announced what they're what they're announcing it as what it

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is the Chuck Vincent movie Voices a Desire, which was

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his first feature film, and uh and find out pay later.

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Speaker 3: Early voices. Yeah, like not really, there really isn't any

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connection between those two films. But yeah, they said we

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need this in a pinch, and I was like, give

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me a chance to talk about Chuck Vincent. I'll do

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it so and I actually I will just toot my

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own horn people don't really talk about Chuck's background in

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terms of him being raised in Michigan and how he

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was involved with the stage in Michigan, and why why

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he became Chuck Vincent. That's not his real name. His

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real name, which I mentioned on the commentary. There's a

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and I was I was really glad to do all

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that research because really nobody's talking about Chuck in his

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early days. So yeah, and then you did something on

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then so I did a piece, a written

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piece for Fly Now Pay Later, which is you could

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and some of the players involved in the the I'll

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just let it speak for itself. But yeah, I'm really

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proud of that piece that we did. That I did,

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but you guys helped out with proof reading and doing

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everything else, I was like, this is great. It was

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into areas that I never went into, so no, I

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stuff like I don't want it to be I don't

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want to read something and be like, oh, yeah, I

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knew this already and it's I That's kind of the

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point of these extras is it's like you want stuff

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that you're not just going to find by going to

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Speaker 2: The trivia exactly. You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, I think I think that's a good

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Our extras compliment each other. I think really well in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that film is very interesting. We're still kind of

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we've we've kind of poked and prodded since that's been written.

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more to come. That's the funny thing about this kind

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of like sexploitation research is you know, sometimes you think

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you've uncovered every rock but there's still more rocks to push.

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Speaker 3: Over, right, bh Dial, there's a bit. I think there's

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a better chance of us discovering who that really was

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than Peter Woodcock. I think that, I think so. I

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agree that's much more difficult, bh Dial. We actually have

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people that we can research and find connections to Peter Woodcock,

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like Godspeed, who knows? You know, we need to buy

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cast members who will talk and maybe remember. But even then,

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of Stanley Long, that most recent District Picks release. I

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that one coming. Yeah, they're britty. I mean I knew

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it was coming, so you knew it was coming, but

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Speaker 5: I knew it was.

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Speaker 3: Coming, I just don't know why. I don't know what. Yeah,

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basically I don't know what the motivation was. I don't

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know what the thought process was.

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Speaker 2: Well, motivation, you get the release, you'll understand the motivation.

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I think the motivation was that they found these continent

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continental sequences in a basement in England, and that was

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sort of the impetus to put this all together. Maybe

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they can correct me if I'm wrong, Uh, Gap Grimson.

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Speaker 3: I'm bummed that. I'm still bummed they didn't get that

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Michael Armstrong commentary. So now I have still have to

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pay an arm in a freaking leg to get them release. Yeah,

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I don't have it so and it's and it's apparently

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out of print. So I'm just like, well, this would

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have been great, guys. Yeah, I think that's kind of

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the That should be the goal of every company if

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you can, you need to render every previous release obsolete.

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Speaker 2: I agree. You know who's and I think I've said

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this before. Indicator has been doing that really well with

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those newes.

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Speaker 3: You don't need any previous ROLNG release.

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Speaker 2: It's all selling, selling those redemptions.

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Speaker 3: All the old encore DVDs from from the Netherlands, like

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those that came with books. All the books are replicated

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all the Yeah, everything in there is replicated. So yeah,

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that's really what the goal should be, all boutique labels.

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I'm telling you, like, make the licensing happen, because you know,

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I don't know what. I don't even know if they

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asked eighty eight films, to be honest, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, back to the stand they long so they

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get progressively better. There's four films in the set from

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a British exploitation historical perspective. I think they're really interesting

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and I think a lot of that goes is gone

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into through the essay in the booklet. And I keep

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calling him Gav Crimson because that's the user namely yeah,

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so who.

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Speaker 3: We didn't have on. I really do want to have

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him on to talk about a Derek Ford movie or

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maybe Loves of Cynthia. I think he has a lot

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of good info on that, but.

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Speaker 2: He's uh, yeah. He does short audio commentaries over these

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found continental sequences, so they're almost like little fifteen ten

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minute mini commentaries. I think they're amazing and I think

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they're worth the price of the release. To be honest,

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I think they're really.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad he was an I'm glad he was included.

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When I saw him on the extras, I was like, oh, good, okay, great,

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like they have an expert involved. Perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you're almost getting like a condensed audio

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commentary for the entire film over these continental sequences.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a really interesting choice. But yes, Eskimonell,

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as you predicted, is my favorite. I think it's genuinely

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funny British sexploitation. And I think I said in my

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review as well, you know it's poking fun not just

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that British sexploitation, but I think sexploitation filmmaking as a whole.

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So I think it works even if you're not a

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fan of British sex films.

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Speaker 3: Right, And the fact that the fact that Come Play

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with Me somehow has become this like legendary sex film

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cult hit that made the most money ever in like

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a UK theater and this movie is still slept on

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is insane because like this is a genuine, laugh out loud,

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funny movie which you cannot say about like most British

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sex comedies. They are terrible. This one is actually hilarious. Yeah,

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it's really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 3: And Groupie Girl has that great song Yesterday's Hero by

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the English Rows, which should have been a hit. It's

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a really terrific ballad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they should have. They should have done kind of

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what they what you did for your seven inch that

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you you sort of ripped for the release of toys

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or not for children.

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Speaker 3: Well that's a whole rights thing. Yeah, that's the whole

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rights thing. And actually Aero maybe maybe shouldn't have included that,

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but they didn't flag it for legal stuff. And I

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was just like, here you go, so oh well yeah, yeah,

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great soundtrack. It's on it's on iTunes. That soundtrack soundtrack

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is really really really good. It's streaming like everywhere. It's Yeah,

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maybe they listened to Yesterday's Hero a lot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And actually Nathaniel Thompson is the one to introduced me

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to that before I'd even seen the movie. He had

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some like he had a he guested on a radio

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and in and a radio show and played that on

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the radio show and I was just like, oh my god,

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this song is so good.

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Speaker 2: I also watched Michael Findley well, the Findlay's Snuff for

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the very first time, Like I don't know, like it's

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gotten a you know, I was kind of scared to

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watch it. It's been sitting on my shelf for a while.

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I just heard such terrible things. But you know, I

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think what I can say about Snuff is that it

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to me, it's very much a Michael Findlay film. I

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was kind of afraid it was going to be some

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I mean, the ending is obviously not aw Michael Findlay creation,

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but the rest of the film feels like a Michael

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Finlay film.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, what do you think I think it does.

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But it's not good. Yeah, it's it's it's it's virtually unwatchable.

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Like I I don't remember one thing about that shitty

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movie except them slicing up the bottom of someone's feet

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as a torture sequence, and that's all I remember. I

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don't even remember the snuff sequence. It's just like it's

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instantly forgettable. Think it's terrible. Yeah, it's not good.

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Speaker 2: Yep, So filling filling those Fendlay holes in my filmography,

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which I mean, there's I haven't even touched any of

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his hardcore films yet. I don't think I've seen a

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single one.

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Speaker 3: So when Wild is so bad, it's terrible. And the

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gay stuff you don't really need. I mean it's it's

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fine if you want to see, like well, Michael Gaunt

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is in it, and Michael dubs a lot of the

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gay voices, which is just like you seem queen out,

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which is fun. And they're all shot in the Marro's apartment. That's,

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you know, the better stuff. The Francis Ellie stuff is better.

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When Larry Ravine took over after Michael died, because Larry

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Ravine's an actual professional photographer, Michael had to be like,

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you know, force fed alcohol to shoot those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I heard that as well. Yeah, yeah, one day

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let me cruise through. So yeah. Shout out to Alex

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Holmes for providing a copy of Moonshine Love this sort

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of under their radar exploitation film shot in Louisiana. Check

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out the instagram for a little clip from that. I

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thought it was very entertaining. Case he's like, this looks

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like a home video. I don't even remember.

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Speaker 3: It's like a whole movie. It's it's a cheap piece

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of shit. Yeah, it's terrible, and what inspired you to

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want to watch this.

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Speaker 2: I watch everything.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't related to any of the research you were

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doing for the extras, and I'm just like, where is

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this coming from?

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Speaker 2: Because Alex provided it and I wanted to. I'll just

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say I watched it and thank you and log it

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on letterbox because he's always like, hey, I got this thing,

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and none of you guys have logged it on letterbox yet,

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so I'm going to upload it for you guys.

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Speaker 3: That's true. Alex did say there were two movies that

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he was like, I guess you guys don't have these

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because you haven't logged them. And I was like, I

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have them, I just haven't let know. I was like,

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thank you, God, love you. But I do have them,

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so it's okay. What was it? One of them was

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oh love Games to Edd Priest movie and I was like,

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I all they had Debrace. I just haven't watched them.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well what are you watching?

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Speaker 3: I have been in Roman porno lands because apparently American

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sexploitation is boring is hell to me right now. So

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I mean, the only the only time i'me ever spending

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with American sexploitation is now for this podcast and for

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the extras we're doing, yeah, like knee deep in Roman porno. Yeah,

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I just logged today that apparently I have seen six

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percent of all of the Roman porno because they made

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over a thousand of these, so I've only seen six percent.

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I haven't even gotten to my fruit one hundredth one yet.

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Speaker 2: But is there an official list of like, because yes,

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of Roman pornos that Nikotsu has actually put out?

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Speaker 3: Yes, there is? Okay, all right, good, yeah, yes there is.

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So I'm going by.

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Speaker 2: That because I know that they are fairly strict from

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what they categorize as Roman porno.

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Speaker 3: Well, anything they were, well there is not that. It's

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basically anything they released to their official pink Nikatsu theaters. Yeah,

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it's not that strict. Oh okay, yeah, no, it's not

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that strict. They're strict if you're going to say their

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films are pink films, because their films aren't pink films.

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That's the difference. No, But like, no, there's a master list.

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Anything they released that was intended to be played in

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these adults only theaters, those are they consider those Roman porno.

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So yeah, I've been watching a few tawny films I

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watched Fairy in a Cage and Flower and Snake. You know,

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I like Taani a lot. I'm not as obsessed with

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her as Dakota and Chris because I have my other favorites. Uh,

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she's great. I love her. I was getting through a

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lot of the Impulse stuff and then I saw I

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take a break and I downloaded a ton of stuff

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with fan subs, which has been great because you know,

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there's a really nice band stubbing community out there for

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a lot of these films. But then there's also like

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deep cuts that are never haven't been subbed, and so

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who knows if they're ever You have to and you

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I think we've talked about the Dakota and Chris. If

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you're going to dive into Japanese pink film in general,

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you're gonna have to get used to the idea that

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you're going to be watching stuff without subtitles and so,

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which I think is if you're if you're in the

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eurocult community, I think that's something that you should already

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be familiar with. I mean, there are films that came

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out with like your favorite actresses from Italy or France

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or Germany that just don't have subs. But you want

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to watch them because you want to complete a filmography.

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And this is the yeah, exactly, you know what, exactly, yes,

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you know exactly that experience. So so as part of

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the some of the impulse ones I watch. I watch

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Female Teacher Hunting, which has the same star from Dirty Afternoon,

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who is Yuki Kazimatsuri, and I think most people know

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her today. She plays the wife of that inn owner

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in kill Bill. So the guy they say, look like

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it looks like Charlie Brown, she says, oh, yeah, right,

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he does look like Charlie Brown. Like that's her. She

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is really amazing in Female Teacher Hunting, but the movie

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just is fine. I watch Nurse Girl Dorm Sticky Fingers.

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The real title is Assy Fingers because there's a sequence

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with a prostate massage. It's just crazy. The actress in

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that is June is Zumi and she's in one of

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the Angel Guts movies that Third Window just put out.

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I watched a new favorite of mine, which Chris mentioned

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on our episode with Them, which is called a Tale

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of Happiness, and that was released in nineteen eighty eight,

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like two months before Nikatsu shut down the Roman porn online,

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and it's like ninety minutes. It's a feature length movie,

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and it's so good. It's basically American beauty, but like

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you like all the characters the whole way through, and

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you don't want to kill the you know, American beauty

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is very obnoxious.

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Speaker 2: I looked at the posterard for that and I was like, wait,

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this is a Roman porno. This looks really pretty great.

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Speaker 3: I loved it so much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the poster is like a legitimate poster. It's not

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you know, I loved it.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it's it's a perfect movie for Connie, honestly,

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like it's it's it's very character driven, this that still

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has sex in it, but it's very Yeah, I just

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loved it. It hit. It made me cry. It's like

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it's so it's funny and dramatic, and it's just like

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it hit all of the perfect spots, all consensual sex.

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So another good. I always like to flag that because

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I think people think Romer corners it's a lot of rape.

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There are some there are a lot of films that

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do not have any sexual assault. So Tailor Happiness is

472
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one of them. Speaking of assault, DIDs a female teacher

473
00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:28,200
in rope Hell, which I really liked, and that has

474
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an actor who I really like named Junko Mubuuki, who

475
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,880
was kind of marketed as the new S and M

476
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,160
queen after Mutani retired. But she wasn't really into that.

477
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,400
I think she's more of a dom versus a sub.

478
00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:43,039
Son Cotser's like, well, we're gonna make you a sub,

479
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and she wasn't really into it that much. Her body

480
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:48,519
couldn't take all of the all of the being tied

481
00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:51,079
up and hung and things like that, so she retired

482
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:51,799
pretty quickly.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't she run a club herself? Is that the

484
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,119
same junko?

485
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Speaker 3: No, that's the thing they are, like, there are like

486
00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:03,400
a dozen junkos in Sex in the Room and porno

487
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,599
when in Pink film. So yeah. Speaking of another junko,

488
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,279
Junko Asahina, who was in Wed and Writing and Horny

489
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:11,799
Working Girl five to nine, Dakota just told me she

490
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,960
died in twenty twenty one, and I was so sad

491
00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:16,240
because she's also when I Love It from Behind, which

492
00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:19,079
I've raved about, I love I Love It from Behind.

493
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,400
I finally watched two Wakamatsu movies. I watched Go Go's

494
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second time version and Violated Angels and they both completely

495
00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:28,319
blew my mind. I loved them so much. And I

496
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,759
don't know why we don't have a Wakamatsu box set

497
00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:34,920
from somebody like RADI I could see Radiance doing this.

498
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:39,960
Criterion should be doing it. Yeah, I could see Deaf

499
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,720
Crocodile doing it. I'd like I could see some major

500
00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:45,079
companies doing this. I just don't know if it's the

501
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,000
rites or elements issue. I have no idea. Yesterday I

502
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:49,880
was watching Roman Porner all day, but I will just

503
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,400
mention two that I watched. So I watched one called

504
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,599
Time Adventure five Seconds till Climax, which was like Nikatu's

505
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,200
Roman Porner version of Back to the Future, where it's

506
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,720
this girl who I like named uh kozuway Tanaka, and

507
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:05,759
she only made like three pink films. She was in

508
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:09,359
Female Leopard, which is like Nikotsu's version of Rebecca, and

509
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,640
then she made this sex comedy where she's Marty McFly

510
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,480
and she gets taken to she gets sent to the

511
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,720
future while after a very furious masturbation session.

512
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Speaker 2: Uh that's Time Adventure.

513
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: Yes, that's Time Adventure, and it's so it's really good,

514
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:27,519
it's very sweet. That's another one I'm like Connie, let's go,

515
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,920
like I could see Connie doing that. It's very cute

516
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,039
and sweet. But the one that really blew my mind

517
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,559
yesterday and I was just like I had to take

518
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,440
a break in process was Orgasm Marico, which like a

519
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:41,039
five stars, which not that common for me in this

520
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,920
but the last one I did was Taylor of Happiness,

521
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,680
because Taylor Happiness just like, oh yeah, that was another one.

522
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,160
I was just like, this is this is this is cinema,

523
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,720
this is beautiful, But Orgasm Marico is kind of like

524
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,559
it's like a Brian de Palma thriller where this girl,

525
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:01,119
this actress is the star of it is Magumi Kiyasoto,

526
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,119
and apparently I just found out that she married the

527
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,039
director of like her last pink film and then he

528
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,839
was nominated for an Oscar for Departures, so they're still married.

529
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:14,279
So I'm kind of like, okay, let's get let's get

530
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,119
this on Blu Ray and get an interview with her.

531
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,400
So it's like it's it's it's a revenge movie where

532
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,599
at the beginning of the movie, she's having sex with

533
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:27,599
her boyfriend and this truck driver throws a bottle of

534
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,799
doctor Pepper out of his window and it kills him,

535
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:31,640
knocks him on the head. So the rest of the

536
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,759
movie is her every time and they were having sex. Well,

537
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,519
she was on a period, so every time she gets

538
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:41,839
her period, she feels this bloodlust and so she finds

539
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,920
the truck driver kills him. She goes on the spree

540
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,319
of killing truck drivers and it's so beautifully done. There's

541
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:51,519
lots of spraying blood and gets very intense and crazy.

542
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:56,960
And apparently Neon Eagle while Jared Honor from Moda, Micawber

543
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,720
and Neon Eagle has been trying to license this from Nikatsu,

544
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:02,079
but he says they won't answer his emails. And I'm

545
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,559
just like, answer your god damn godzo because this movie

546
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,559
is one that I could really see a lot of

547
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:11,359
people loving. It is a great mix of sex and horror.

548
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:14,400
It has a really good like string score like Pinodnagio.

549
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,839
It's so stylish and really great. It's really good.

550
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:20,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds great.

551
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a good one. But I think that's yeah.

552
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,920
I mean, I'm still watching more. I was watching I

553
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,240
was downloading more before we started recording, so I'm still

554
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,559
still watching more. I watch a lot of bad ones. Well,

555
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:35,039
you know, I don't need to talk about those. Go

556
00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:36,880
to my letter boxing and see which ones I didn't like.

557
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: But all right, of.

558
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,839
Speaker 7: All the fantastic breakthroughs that modern science is making, none

559
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,119
will touch man more closely, more wondrous, or more fearfully

560
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:52,519
than those now being made on the farm out frontiers

561
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:57,039
of medicine and biology. Man may hope to for ordain

562
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:01,279
the intellect and the physical character teristics of his children,

563
00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:04,759
and of all the generations that follow. He may be

564
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:08,160
able to achieve a kind of immortality.

565
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 5: Wonderful.

566
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 7: Well, now we understand each other.

567
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,359
Speaker 2: You mean I'm the father of baby, Well.

568
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,599
Speaker 7: Not just one baby.

569
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,519
Speaker 1: I would say the figure would be more like two

570
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:21,640
thousand to give a take a few within the next

571
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,759
two years.

572
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,359
Speaker 5: Did sound any better? Now?

573
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:32,119
Speaker 2: Not really talk or move it a little closer to you.

574
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,119
Maybe let's just see what that does.

575
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,319
Speaker 4: Well.

576
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:41,559
Speaker 2: Jeffrey, longtime Gap Theater goer and sponsor, Well, first of all,

577
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:45,160
tell us a little bit about yourself and your connection

578
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:46,640
with the Gap Theater.

579
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:53,119
Speaker 5: I'm a relatively short time goer, but they've only reopened

580
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:57,440
relatively short amount of time. They reopened at some point

581
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:03,480
within March of twenty five after closing and I believe

582
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:08,920
twenty twenty. I started going in October twenty twenty five.

583
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:13,319
I went to a Just Franco event frank O Rama.

584
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:16,799
I only say for the first film, which was the

585
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,480
I believe the longest cut of Female Vampire, and it

586
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:25,680
was on DCP as opposed to thirty five milimeter. But

587
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:31,319
that's such a it's such a captivating Lena Rome performance.

588
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:33,559
Speaker 2: In my opinion, that's pretty rare for them to do

589
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:35,039
a DCP though, isn't it.

590
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,279
Speaker 5: They'll do it if, I seemingly it's if they can't

591
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,160
get a thirty five milimeter.

592
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Speaker 3: Relative would be tough to go.

593
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 5: But it's not the most I mean, they advertised as

594
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:51,000
we only do thirty five milimeter, so that's but they

595
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:55,559
will do DCP if it's like I had asked, I

596
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,079
had been asking about. I think I had asked more

597
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:03,839
than once. That's one ask things for who killed Petty Bear? Hmmm?

598
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:12,319
Now like great film, Uh yeah, we could probably play

599
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,920
the restoration, which isn't a bad thing, but I'm just like,

600
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,640
but I really want to just try and present things

601
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,960
on a thirty five milimeter And the sponsoring thing, I

602
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,880
don't know. It's just a really great theater, and to

603
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,720
be honest, sometimes when places are out in what some

604
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:37,599
might describe as the boonies, like not that many people

605
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,000
go out there.

606
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:43,039
Speaker 3: I describe it as bf E bump fuck Egypt. Yes, right,

607
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,079
it's not in the middle of nowhere.

608
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 5: It's not it's there's things around it, but like it's

609
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,680
it's it's in the middle of nowhere in the set.

610
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:55,839
I mean, how do I say that? It feels almost

611
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,720
insulting to parts of Pennsylvania to say it's the middle

612
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:04,359
of nowhere. There's Pennsylvania that feel like nowhere, Ohio, Illinois,

613
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,680
and you're just like, is this a cornfield? Am I

614
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,680
gonna get killed by the mop? What's happening? And it's

615
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:15,200
truly there's some character, but like it's the character of

616
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:19,640
like late stage capitalism, where there's like it's a McDonald's.

617
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,319
There's a giant sign advertising what is it advertising that

618
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:27,640
you can advertise it's glowing, but there's a few gas

619
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,319
stations and it's not. But it is like street parking,

620
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:35,720
very like house diage nearby.

621
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: I mean, how far is this from you?

622
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,319
Speaker 5: An hour?

623
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: An hour? Oh that's not bad?

624
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,839
Speaker 3: Ye okay, what is it for you?

625
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,359
Speaker 2: Casey?

626
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:43,039
Speaker 5: For me?

627
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:47,119
Speaker 3: It's way further if I drove well, yeah, because no,

628
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,759
I think it'd be more. It might be two and

629
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:49,519
a half or three.

630
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 5: So you could have a train.

631
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know where the closest train station is.

632
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,400
That's the thing. It's like, it's not it's not conducive

633
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:57,440
to train.

634
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:01,359
Speaker 5: I mean, you could have betray and to New Jersey.

635
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:06,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. We've talked about this. Yes, that's right.

636
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,319
I might I need to do that at some point. Yeah,

637
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:15,039
it's tough. Well yeah, I mean well, and it's funny

638
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:18,160
because when when when Harry Garrow was doing Exhoomed films

639
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,319
at the Eye House in Philadelphia before the Eye House

640
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:24,799
went away, I drove up there for that, and that

641
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,279
was something else I could have I should have just

642
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:28,680
taken the train for because that's a hot skip and

643
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,799
a jump from the Philadelphia AM Track station. But now

644
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:33,440
it's no longer there, so they have to do it.

645
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,920
I think the Colonial they do it.

646
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 5: I believe so. And they also do there's the Exzoomed

647
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,119
Films is kind of spread out to a few different

648
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:47,279
theaters and the gap is where it is one of them.

649
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,480
I don't I'm not the greatest with who is what

650
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:53,039
to who? So there's a lot of people that where

651
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:56,480
I'm just like I all these people are in the

652
00:33:56,519 --> 00:33:59,440
gap orbit to me. But I'm just like, I don't

653
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:03,359
know who, who is who? But I know that Harry

654
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:09,760
is deeply involved with Yes, I think yeah, that I

655
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,599
was gonna say, I don't. I think I thought he did.

656
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: I was researching and it was like a bit. I

657
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,639
think he's a co owner, but I don't remember.

658
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 5: Now I'm overly hesitant about anything because I'm no one

659
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,280
to no one.

660
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,199
Speaker 3: Listen. If I say it I'm wrong, I'll get an

661
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,119
email and I'll correct it in the next show. I'm

662
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:29,880
not concerned.

663
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 5: It's a great theater and I want people to go

664
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:35,360
to it. But I meant that.

665
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:42,119
Speaker 2: You're sponsoring this upcoming June fifth Grindhouse triple feature. Right,

666
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,239
is that you.

667
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 5: On the House volume three Italian? Your favorite starlet?

668
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: Really, well, not my favorite trailer, I know, I hope.

669
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 3: You don't know. You don't know who.

670
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:02,159
Speaker 5: Are your favorite Darlett It's like, can we name some starlets?

671
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:07,159
Because I asked for for some like what's some things

672
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,960
the theater would like to tease about the event? And

673
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,039
I didn't I didn't give them a time so they

674
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:13,880
might respond.

675
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,039
Speaker 8: You're trying to get to get what I wanted to

676
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,400
I want, I wanted things to say to to YouTube

677
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:29,400
and the audience to just give kind of a here's

678
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,159
the reason why.

679
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 5: I mean, there's already so many reasons. It's on thirty

680
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,559
five millimeter films aren't going to get shown, it's from

681
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:42,000
Harry Garrow's, uh the Exzooms films archives, like it's good

682
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,920
ship that you're not going to see pactically anywhere else

683
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,480
unless it's at an Exzoom film things. But they have

684
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:54,920
not communicated really anything.

685
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: That's how they want to do it. They want to keep.

686
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's as I think part of that is also

687
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,239
a legal thing. I think we talked about that on

688
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,039
our group chat. Is that. Yeah. I think the less

689
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:10,920
information the better, because you really don't want rights holders

690
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,400
to come out of the woodwork and be like, well

691
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,639
you can't show this, you only like two grand or

692
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,880
more for a screening, when it's just like, well, we

693
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,679
just won't say what they are and it'll be a

694
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,480
nice surprise and then when they find out after there's

695
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,880
no evidence that we did it.

696
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 5: So you know, nice.

697
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: Posts about it, Yes.

698
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I don't know, Gentry, who are some of

699
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,559
your favorite Italian starlets.

700
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:38,519
Speaker 2: We know one, well, yeah, Andy Bell is adopted Italian starlett.

701
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:43,400
I guess you could say, of course, we got Laura

702
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,840
Gamzer and my number one probably.

703
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:56,599
Speaker 3: Love Resalbanari, Barbara Bouchet, Ajita Wilson, dag Marlssander, Gloria Guida,

704
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,960
Love Glory Guida, Lee La Karati. Yeah, like Gentry, you

705
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,239
don't have these at the top of your head.

706
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: Well, think you said there's just so many.

707
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: There are, but I definitely have them. They're on my

708
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,679
mind at all times. Yeah, I'm always They're always at

709
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,599
the on my frontal lobe at all times.

710
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,199
Speaker 2: So well, you know, I just woke up to the

711
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,119
news today of Zudi Rayah passing away. She was an

712
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:28,000
Ettrian Italian star that definitely hasn't gotten enough love. So

713
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:31,079
I'd love to see one of her films projected on

714
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:35,599
thirty five millimeter. Yeah, but yeah, there's so many I'm

715
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:37,119
not sure what they're going to show off. So I

716
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:39,199
am looking closely at what's going to happen with the

717
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,760
gap there that you're you're sponsoring.

718
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,679
Speaker 5: I'll communicate things as soon as I know. I maybe

719
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,320
even other people will. But it's not a thing that

720
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,400
I'm particularly the most knowledgeable on, even exploitation exploitation pictures.

721
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,920
I have more of a I'm just really I love

722
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,159
a lot of things very and I'm very into film

723
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,920
and a lot of very odd film. Yeah.

724
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,039
Speaker 2: I forgot to mention in my intro I was gonna

725
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:14,159
be like Jeffrey Petron, one of the few people who

726
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,000
I think logs more movies on letterbox than me.

727
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 5: I know, Yeah, I put myself to shame.

728
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: That's what I say. Like, at the end of the year,

729
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,960
everybody's like, oh, look at my stats, I watched this

730
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,880
many movies. I'm like, guys, I'm not even gonna tell

731
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,239
you how many I watched because it's embarrassing.

732
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: You know, Wednesday, this foundation will create a better world.

733
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,760
No more overpopulation, no more poverty and one no more

734
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,519
genetic muck ups, and just call it Peanut cocks contribution

735
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:59,960
to the Brave New World and civilization. When I do go, doc,

736
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,239
I want you to take this one in five eight

737
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,559
tench penis of mine, cut it off, pickle it in formaldehyde,

738
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,599
and put it in some sort of a museum. You

739
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:12,239
understand that, doctor, Yes, you find that amusing, don't you.

740
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 5: I guess it is.

741
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 7: No, I don't find its amusing at all.

742
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 5: But also these films are are not the most easy

743
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,400
to watch. Some of them, I would say, are pretty

744
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,800
easy watch, even though there's peanut sized penuses that get pickled.

745
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,960
But I personally was I think Gulber and the Love

746
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:37,239
Factory is an incredibly watchable I think I think you

747
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,079
can show that movie on TCM. I'm gonna just let's

748
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:44,440
randomly say that I I would like to see it

749
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,239
on TCM.

750
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 2: Set the stage because you went, okay, so the gap theater,

751
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:52,239
I can't had a how did they build this? This

752
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,519
was like as a mystery.

753
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 5: This was a mystery mystery midnight program midnight that they do.

754
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,360
Yeah yeah, And they've occasionally done things where they've shown

755
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,239
a Door Spitsman movie. I think in a similar that

756
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,000
might have been a gap Brindhouse program. But they've shown

757
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:11,639
Double Agent seventy three thirty five milimeter there as well

758
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:17,480
as the David F. Friedman movie Johnny Firecloud, but not

759
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:22,119
just something weird stuff they also did for this might

760
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:25,559
have also been a gas brind House, but they definitely

761
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,119
and it might have been a gap brind House at Midnight,

762
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:31,280
but I'm not the most familiar on their programming. They

763
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,760
did like Last House on the Left as a double

764
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,039
feature with something, but this was a Mystery Midnight and

765
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:44,119
it was a very odd kind of situation, at least

766
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:48,079
for me because having seen the film and I've been

767
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:53,800
actually rewatching it again on DVD, it's practically the same

768
00:40:53,920 --> 00:41:01,039
film except for the title change and maybe maybe the

769
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,480
no back credit is cut out, but that might have

770
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,159
just been the state of the print. It might have

771
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,440
just jumped ahead and just didn't have that, or they

772
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,960
just might have cut it out. But it was or

773
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:14,360
was an accidental thing.

774
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: So the print you saw had the Love Explosion title

775
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:18,000
on it.

776
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is not at least when I thought was

777
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:26,239
not listed on letterbox as an alternate title for the film.

778
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:28,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I never heard of that.

779
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Mike did drum Bar or anybody say anything

780
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,519
about the history of this print.

781
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 5: There was a comment when we came into the theater

782
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:44,440
it was a very exciting evening, and Caitlin Drummore made

783
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,159
a common I believe this isn't exactly the film that

784
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,960
we thought it was because of the name, because I

785
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,199
think they thought it was going to be booby trapped because.

786
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,559
Speaker 3: What Thank god he didn't have to suffer that piece

787
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:06,239
of ship. Oh my god, that's funny that they is

788
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,119
booby chop. Oh my god, it's terrible. But it did

789
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:12,320
come out. There was an X rated version that I

790
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,599
think was called Love Explosions. Yeah, and so that makes

791
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:18,719
sense that they would be that that that that's where

792
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,599
the confusion came from. Uh. No, Booby Trap is terrible

793
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:23,639
if you haven't seen it. The best thing about it

794
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:25,880
is the opening music by Vic Lance, who did the

795
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,480
music from Mantis and Lace and you know all these

796
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:31,880
other movies. That's it and something weird. Love the music

797
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,360
so much they usually used it on those galleries of

798
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,719
posters and stuff. They would just rip it and use

799
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,079
it on repeat. It's a really good electronic score. The

800
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:41,280
movie is such a piece of shit. It's so bad.

801
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,119
Speaker 5: I think the music is one of the best things

802
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:47,760
in wildbad to be there. But yeah, it's definitely some

803
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,480
of these the music is sort of the main sticking point,

804
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:55,679
and occasionally if there's not, it can really uh like

805
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,760
Last Off Girls is kind of outside of the music.

806
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,440
There not I mean there's not, but like there's not

807
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:09,840
the most of like a cohesive narrative outside of you know,

808
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:13,800
like even when it's like like the the sort of

809
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,559
Beatles testiche like at the end, like it's just sort

810
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:20,039
of like and now randomly we're gonna do a goofy

811
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:24,159
funny Beatles fit with like the Richard lin Lester kind

812
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:27,880
of filmmaking money. But there's not like but a lot

813
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,519
of these films kind of don't have There's a lot

814
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:33,199
of questions that you get, and I'm sort of I

815
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,360
get really just they sit in my brain to where

816
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,000
I'm not able to talk about them because I'm like,

817
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,840
just I'm still thinking about the Howard Hughes thing, and

818
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:44,800
because I don't really think there is a.

819
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: Howard I know kind.

820
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:54,199
Speaker 5: Of either that or Secret Places, Secret Things. And that's

821
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:59,159
more so just because I'm a fan from what has

822
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,960
been said and being able to see it because of

823
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:04,440
the Patreon. Your Patreon.

824
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like you like original music. That's what

825
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,519
I'm hearing that.

826
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 5: I'm just a music person. I came to film. Film

827
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,199
and music are sort of you.

828
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, no, I agree, Yeah, me too, I agree

829
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,039
to Well the music and Secret Places, Secret Things is

830
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:24,239
library music, but it's good library music.

831
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:27,159
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, but you know who's in secret place?

832
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:34,039
Speaker 3: What Naola? Naola, She's in wilbur Yes, she's one of

833
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:35,760
the She's one of the factory girls.

834
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:43,199
Speaker 5: Excuse me, I think it is conception room girls.

835
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 2: Conception room exception. Yes, she's one of the girls that

836
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,599
has to hit the like red button when the like

837
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,400
sex crazed maniac is kind of like confusing rain is

838
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,719
like getting fried by the heat of sex.

839
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I do love there is like because some

840
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,480
films you might not have had any exposition on who

841
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:12,159
is that character, and there almost isn't any But it

842
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,199
is interesting to have the rich guy comment on like

843
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:19,000
we've had enough of cases like the Boo.

844
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost.

845
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,079
Speaker 5: Wish there was a musical like Stinger for when they

846
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:30,239
talked about the ball, like they had the music they

847
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,480
were making music for the like Ronnie Ronnie Blakey only

848
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:38,119
does like a one year song and is like why

849
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,239
not have a boo.

850
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, tell me about the crowd.

851
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:48,079
Speaker 5: Pretty good? Uh? Pretty good for not great, which is

852
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:50,119
why you need to go.

853
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:56,119
Speaker 3: Well you think if we said we if you if

854
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:57,760
I said that I was going, do you think that

855
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,400
people would show up because I was there?

856
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 5: I don't know, but possibly for perspective, and it might

857
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,800
have just been the kind of movie. But I was

858
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:14,079
the only person so far who's reviewed the film from

859
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:14,679
the showing.

860
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder that i'd check that too, because I

861
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:20,360
was like, who else is reviewing this? Man?

862
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,559
Speaker 5: There were people in the theater, but it wasn't well,

863
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:29,199
I mean there were people at the Secure con showing

864
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,760
that I did that did review the film, Like even

865
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,719
if it's like a few people, it was like the

866
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,639
gap Brian Houses for there's been people and not the

867
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,679
I didn't really even see a from the people in

868
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,679
the theater look like we watched it. I'm maybe they

869
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:47,480
didn't like it.

870
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,639
Speaker 3: I don't know.

871
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:53,559
Speaker 5: Novak is a bit of a odd flavor because the

872
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:56,039
plot of the movie is sort of.

873
00:46:56,639 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: I actually think it's one of Novak's more approachable films.

874
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:05,840
It's not wall sex. There is a story, and I

875
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,920
think even before I read Casey's review, I was going

876
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,559
to say, like, wow, this kind of feels like a

877
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:12,559
russ Meyer film, Like this it's.

878
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 3: Very ros Meyer because because it's Tom McGowan. Tom McGowan

879
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,480
wrote Cherry Harry and Mrquel and then yeah, you can

880
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,679
tell that he was like, well, Terry Harry Mkeel completely

881
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,079
self self imploded because one of the stars ran off

882
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:29,480
because she thought that russ Meyer was secretly shooting like

883
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:33,639
footage of her nether regions from like a scope, you know,

884
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,639
telescope camera, So she ran off. And so I don't

885
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:39,920
know what his original script was because Wade didn't get that.

886
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:42,599
So I feel like this was his version of like, Okay,

887
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:44,639
I'm gonna make my own movie. I'm gonna direct it,

888
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:48,400
and it's gonna be my movie. But it's also very conservative,

889
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:56,480
like a russ Meyer movie. I mean, yes, yes, but

890
00:47:56,519 --> 00:48:00,360
the editing is quick, the photography is very colorful, like

891
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,480
it's very and just like russ Meyer, he doesn't get

892
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,559
the counterculture at all, Like he doesn't get the youth

893
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:09,639
of today at all, like he doesn't know what he's doing.

894
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:16,119
Speaker 5: It had a weird also Roger Formany vibe where the

895
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:19,920
lead almost kind of looks like it looks almost how

896
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,039
do I say this? He's the lead is the son

897
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:27,079
of Lansford, but he has a similar vibe to the

898
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:33,239
son of Henry Fonda. Peter Fonda almost looks like he

899
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:38,360
almost looks like Peter Fonda playing Roger Foreman when he

900
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:41,239
or even like we're more like, I don't. He looks

901
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,559
like someone trying to play a studio executive when he's

902
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:48,079
like outside of the protest group and talking with the

903
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:50,880
old lady where he has the short sleeve shirt and

904
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,719
the colored shirt on, where it's just like, I'm not

905
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,800
really a part of this world, Like there's not there's

906
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,039
this weird hint of almost being a I don't.

907
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: I'm he's very square.

908
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 5: He's he's very square, but he does not look.

909
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 3: Like he belongs in that world.

910
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, he seems like he's almost playing someone's son. I'm

911
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,599
not sure if that's just because he the acting isn't

912
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,079
quite there to be beyond like I am Henry, I

913
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:26,000
am I am Glenford's son. I was in GUILDA.

914
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit of the weaker link was that

915
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,239
that lead because he's like, yeah, we meet him, he's

916
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,679
living out in a in a tent. You know, he's

917
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:36,320
supposed to be like kind of like an off the

918
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,280
grid anti war type, and he doesn't look like that type.

919
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,000
He doesn't really even act like that type.

920
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of people that were doing that

921
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:49,480
stuff weren't real late there were people that were getting

922
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:54,039
involved as with any kind of situation. Yeah, for the girls,

923
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:57,519
wasn't it. It doesn't seem like that was.

924
00:49:58,599 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 3: They're not all.

925
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: Like you're cookie you cutter like hippie types, is what

926
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:03,519
you're trying to say, Like.

927
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,639
Speaker 5: That kind like Hunter s. Thompson didn't look like a

928
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,840
hippie mm hmm, you know, un Thompson or like even

929
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,920
Tom Wolf, you know, sure that that's a right guy.

930
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:23,039
Speaker 3: That's true. Well, but honestly, even the idea of like

931
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:26,960
a protest for higher business is very fox News coded,

932
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,960
Like we're hearing this ship now that people are like, well,

933
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,400
these people are getting paid to be protesters, And I'm like,

934
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,320
of course Tom, of course Tom McGowan thinks this, like

935
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,079
he of course he thinks that there's nothing to really protest,

936
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,679
so you had to get paid to do it. Just like,

937
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:42,119
what are you talking about.

938
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:46,079
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go run that idea over to Suzanne Scott

939
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:49,239
and see what she's thinking thinks of it.

940
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 3: It's just crazy, Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. You

941
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,280
watch it, But that's that's why it's kind of like

942
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,280
a lot of films, like the Corman movies and other

943
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,880
movies of that period. It's like these are clearly clearly

944
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,199
being made by very square, middle a aged men who

945
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,000
don't understand this, this movement or this culture at all.

946
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:09,559
Speaker 2: Plot hinges on overpopulation, which is which.

947
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: Is a genuine concern, but accept it, except it's a

948
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,400
genuine concern without racism to involve, which I think is

949
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,000
kind of what McGowan might have been coming from.

950
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's something that's kind of thrown me off that

951
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:26,039
I just wanted to see if it could be elucidated

952
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:30,599
a little bit. So the plan is to sterilize people population,

953
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:37,239
to curve overpopulation by having these people have sex. Is

954
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,199
it that they're they're being fed the drugs that will

955
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:45,559
sterilize them, that will like what's the is it that

956
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:50,559
they're gonna make sterile babies? And then children of men happened.

957
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:54,159
Speaker 3: It's like a master race kind of thing. It's like

958
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:55,559
a like adjacent thing.

959
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 5: Yeah. Hell, Like how.

960
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: Because the guy they pick, yeah he's had he has

961
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:06,400
like a perfect specimen, Yeah he has perfect genes and.

962
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 5: Yep, but like they're giving him how are they giving

963
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:15,280
him like a viagraa drug or are they giving him

964
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,400
a drug that sterilizes him or is it like what

965
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,360
the drug in the movie what Yeah.

966
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:23,639
Speaker 2: They don't really elaborate on the drug that much, do they.

967
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,639
I don't think No, don't overthink that, Jeffrey.

968
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,039
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to over im just when it starts

969
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:38,480
playing with you, I'm just like, like, I mean, like

970
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:41,079
it doesn't need to work because it's a bad idea.

971
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,639
The only part of the guy's plan that the sure

972
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,519
fire success.

973
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: You're talking about w W, like what his his.

974
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 5: The only part of his plan that works really on

975
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:58,440
some level is the part to kill his air with

976
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,079
the free math.

977
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot I thought at all.

978
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 5: And there's a there's a security kind of detail that's

979
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,800
following both what our leader is doing, but also the

980
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,519
setup of the doctor that is seemingly working for w

981
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,000
W that is like an operator to be like, Okay,

982
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,599
send the guys in now to kill the like killer

983
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,800
now right. And I just I thought the masks worked great.

984
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:34,039
I there was yeahs talent, not like like it's almost

985
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:38,480
comical brutality because like it's don't they're like basically air rifles,

986
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,440
but like they're just like I don't think we killed her.

987
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:42,639
We gotta keep firing.

988
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see why people would have walked out

989
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,599
of this movie, like not really rushing to log it

990
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:53,519
because maybe they don't know what to say, because I think, yeah, it's.

991
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,079
Speaker 3: Well, they also couldn't find it if it's not logged

992
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,920
as Love Explosions isn't listed as an AKA for wiling

993
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,800
their baby Factory, they're not going to find it to

994
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:03,559
log either.

995
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,039
Speaker 2: I guess I forget that people don't like spend the

996
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:10,199
time to figure these things out, like maybe they.

997
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:14,199
Speaker 3: Would unless unless Caitlin told them what the movie actually was,

998
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,599
then they're not. They're not gonna know.

999
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,679
Speaker 5: I don't think so. The theme song does have at

1000
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:23,400
the baby Factory, Well, true, Lead's character is the name.

1001
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 3: Wilbur Right, but that's it. You have to use contact

1002
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:27,800
clues to find.

1003
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:31,079
Speaker 5: It though, that's who at the time these days.

1004
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,599
Speaker 3: No, well, if the movie confused them enough, they're not

1005
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:36,440
going to be like, okay, what Love Explosions. Yeah, I

1006
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,400
don't know. I think that was probably the issue, and

1007
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:42,320
you have to update TMDb and then they'll update letter box,

1008
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,159
which is a whole nother thing that I don't even

1009
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:44,679
bother with.

1010
00:54:44,840 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, it's funny, you know, Jeffrey that you

1011
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:04,400
kind of narrowed it down a bit when you were

1012
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,280
trying to figure out what movie they might be playing

1013
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,960
based on the run time, and I think you even

1014
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:12,480
thought that. I think a Novak was pretty high on

1015
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:14,719
your list, and it did turn out to be a Novak.

1016
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:20,519
Speaker 5: I really wanted to see a Novak film because things

1017
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:25,079
to go back to Howard, Hugh, Me and Novak kind

1018
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:29,599
of maybe a little bit. I do you mind if

1019
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:33,960
I ask about that when, because I do you know

1020
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,360
when his years at RKO are just as a quick

1021
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:43,440
side thing. Yeah, he was there in the thirties. He left,

1022
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,599
but I believe he did come back before.

1023
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 3: Novak wasn't there at arkat that early. No, he was

1024
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,039
not in the he was only he was kind of

1025
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:56,440
fift Yeah, yeah, like the Howard he was. He was

1026
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,000
there during the Howards era when RKO was dying. Yeah,

1027
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:00,719
he was there.

1028
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,159
Speaker 5: He left and then came back when the Howard era

1029
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,679
had like early thirties.

1030
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he's yeah that Yeah, he was way too

1031
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:11,719
young because he was Yeah, he was way too young

1032
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,519
to have done that. He was in there. He was

1033
00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:16,039
there with Seymour BORDI was there at the same time.

1034
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,079
It was like, yeah, that was when they were dying.

1035
00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:20,320
It was yeah, it was those Howard Hughes era when

1036
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,440
they didn't know what they were doing.

1037
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,039
Speaker 5: That they didn't know what they were doing. It's they

1038
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:28,639
were actively thinking of bad ideas, like let's get the

1039
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,119
studio down and root out all the communists. Let's do

1040
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,480
a legal labor racket this to get the communists. Let's

1041
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:39,360
make a movie called I Married a Communist. This is

1042
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,119
the only movie we're making at the goddamn studio. It's

1043
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,280
I Married a Communists. It's Woman on Peer.

1044
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:49,599
Speaker 3: Nineteen, right, yes, that's right, when I'm your nineteen like.

1045
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:52,639
Speaker 5: It though, Like it's just like, who wants to see

1046
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:55,880
a movie called like like, it's it's.

1047
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,519
Speaker 3: Too bladed, like it's of its time.

1048
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 5: It's just of its time. It's also as.

1049
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,039
Speaker 3: Didn't Warner Brothers? Isn't Warner Brothers?

1050
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:06,199
Speaker 5: Did?

1051
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,079
Speaker 3: I was a Communist for the FBI? Yeah, that's another title.

1052
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:17,400
That's even Yeah, that's terrible rights, that's we have Warner

1053
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,679
Brothers as well, I think. Yeah, all the little b

1054
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,280
all the little b units of these studios were doing

1055
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,239
stuff like that. It had to be it had to

1056
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,039
be very exploitive. They had to sound like exploitation movies.

1057
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:28,559
That's how you get people in to see these little

1058
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:30,480
pieces of ship that they made for like no money,

1059
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:31,280
and it did.

1060
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:36,039
Speaker 5: Massive pieces that Howard made for a lot of money

1061
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:41,800
and lost like his kind of woman the hottest combination

1062
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,719
on the screen of that thing.

1063
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really like that one.

1064
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:52,199
Speaker 5: Like like and this is a this is an advertising

1065
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,920
thing because Terry Novack with in advertising, wasn't related to

1066
00:57:56,039 --> 00:58:03,079
this advertisement campaign because Novack work with this right his

1067
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,440
kind of woman. There was a billboard made like in

1068
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:10,119
a premium spot in Los Angeles for the film had

1069
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:14,119
actual flames that came out and it was a hazard

1070
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,119
and I believe like was like burnt up the poster

1071
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,280
like like Howard Hughes was like all in on, Like, no,

1072
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,400
it has to be literal flames that shootout.

1073
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 3: I think Novak was in sales. Now, I don't think

1074
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,159
he was in marketing. I think he was in the sales.

1075
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,519
That would make more sense, yeah, like yeah Novak. I

1076
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:36,400
was like, don't make me defend Novak, but that was not.

1077
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 5: But I think he was involved in that movie. I

1078
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,840
think he might have been involved with stuff related to

1079
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,519
the Disney films because there was an agreement. The reason

1080
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:51,400
I might I mentioned the thirties is Disney's first like

1081
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,519
film distribution or release. We're going to release films through

1082
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:59,480
a c with r KO in nineteen thirty thousand, and

1083
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:03,119
that continued until nineteen fifty three with the release of

1084
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:05,679
the movie. This is the first time anyone's gonna say

1085
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:08,719
this film on this podcast. But unless it's cut out,

1086
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,039
which the Rob Royhigland rogue.

1087
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

1088
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 5: But something about that release and just built up stuff.

1089
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,280
I think with just how Howard Use handled movies and

1090
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:24,039
handled ur KAO, Disney was just like Guena Vista.

1091
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of they became. Yeah, that was their own thing, right.

1092
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 5: I love that this movie is like its own little

1093
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,840
It is trying to be a counter culture, but it

1094
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,519
does end up being counterculture of its own. And that's

1095
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,159
it fits in the kind of category of Novak titles,

1096
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:46,159
even though the Novak wasn't I don't think related to

1097
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,719
the production, Like it's the thing that he probably just fought, right,

1098
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,880
But like there's there's a level of just like immature

1099
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,360
comedy that you could also find in a more cranked

1100
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,679
up degree in a wham band, Thank you man. That

1101
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,559
thing right, it it has an almost I could see

1102
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:10,039
why potentially someone like Novak watch system was just like,

1103
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:13,559
that's going to be a box office internation. Even if

1104
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:17,360
you didn't. It just has like a the name even

1105
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:18,400
it's just.

1106
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: It's got it's got a little bit of sex. It's

1107
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:25,320
got like that topical theme the draft. Sure, he's like,

1108
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,400
yeah this, I can sell this and.

1109
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 3: It looks expensive.

1110
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it looks pretty good for his exploitation.

1111
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:33,199
Speaker 3: It's not it's not it's not it's not a it's

1112
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:37,719
not a Buckaloop Perry thing shot in like a studio film.

1113
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, you're at the baby factory, like twenty minutes.

1114
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 2: In, like it takes a little while for it to

1115
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:45,840
all get going.

1116
01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:48,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, right.

1117
01:00:48,719 --> 01:00:51,159
Speaker 3: I think it's mistake was not releasing a promo single

1118
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,840
of that song though. I think that should have been

1119
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,760
a hit. That's that song should have been a hit,

1120
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,039
Like you know, I don't think Novak was very smart

1121
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:02,519
about appear. Only did a of promo forty five for

1122
01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:04,679
Mantis and Lace, but maybe it didn't do well, so

1123
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,079
he was just like, we're not doing this again.

1124
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 5: The music is not to sound like a hipster. The

1125
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:17,519
music does it's great for nineteenth for release of nineteen seventy,

1126
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:20,159
even if it was like filmed in nineteen sixty nine.

1127
01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:25,920
It seems it sounds a little outdated in a way

1128
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,199
where like, how do I say this? The youth of

1129
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,320
the time would have been more like it's not the thing,

1130
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,639
because like there's if you're going for a youth market,

1131
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,119
they're already potentially gone to the Stooges or whatever, as

1132
01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:43,840
opposed to like I'm struggling to think of an LA band,

1133
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:44,360
but like.

1134
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,159
Speaker 3: Well the Doors. The Doors was huge in seventy big

1135
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:53,880
LA band Jim Morrison ever heard. But yeah, it's like

1136
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,599
I don't I what you're saying, but I think in

1137
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,760
terms of you mean in terms of like garage band stuff,

1138
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,760
because that's what this music is. It's a garage band song.

1139
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,519
Speaker 5: Basically The Doors would have been like like really well

1140
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:12,599
known to where like almost even the Grateful Dad would

1141
01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:15,480
have been like too, like we're past the Grateful Dad

1142
01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:20,719
almost for some people. But also music is timeless, so

1143
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,960
it's it's it's like a nonsense kind of you know,

1144
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:26,039
I wasn't there. It might have been more, it might

1145
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:29,079
have sounded more fresh for the time considering.

1146
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you're saying, Yeah, that it might

1147
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,039
have already been like a little pass a when it

1148
01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:37,280
came out is kind of what you're saying, right, Jeffrey.

1149
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,239
Speaker 5: Because like even in some of the library music I

1150
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,519
was in, some of the films for the time probably

1151
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,159
started to feel like after you've heard like some of

1152
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,159
like the mood one or how like the Thing's on,

1153
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,440
but something the greatest hits and like a few of

1154
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,840
the films, like by nineteen sixty nine, if you had

1155
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,960
her like one of those in this film, it would

1156
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,519
have been like a little more obvious than that. But

1157
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:04,519
like to me at least that those two kind of

1158
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:06,000
sounds are very similar.

1159
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 2: Mm.

1160
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 3: Well, even like comparing it to something like Beyond the

1161
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,360
Value of a Dolls came out that same year, Like

1162
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:16,159
if that music feels more contemporary just because it's it's

1163
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,760
Lynn Carrey from Mama Lion and she's like doing a

1164
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,039
Janis Joplin kind of thing, even that's more contemporary than

1165
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:25,199
this song, which does sound like at least two or

1166
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:27,280
three years old. It sounds like a Barry Maguire even

1167
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,840
Destruction sort of the vocals there. Yeah, so it sounds

1168
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,440
like a protest song, but not as like finesse as

1169
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,440
protest music had but come by nineteen seventy.

1170
01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:43,159
Speaker 5: I'm like very persnickity about like about like bands and

1171
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,719
music and films run it's like it's not it's like

1172
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,519
an avocado. It's just too soon, it's too late, and

1173
01:03:50,599 --> 01:03:53,480
a lot of it is too late. The only time

1174
01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:56,159
that I think it was right on the Pole and

1175
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,960
it's not shown in a great manner, and I don't

1176
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,719
think the recording is presented that well. But it's the

1177
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,280
Yardbirds and blow Up. I think that was really the

1178
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,360
only like on the Polt like because it was a

1179
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,800
little bit ahead of where it was recorded in sixty

1180
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,800
six but released in sixty seven, and you have this

1181
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:22,400
tiny time capsule of when you know Jeff Beck and

1182
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:25,559
Jimmy Pace were playing guitar in that band, and it's

1183
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,519
you had de velvet them covering Development Underground. They were

1184
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,440
like really on the they were a popular Ish band

1185
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,960
that were fading, that were like they were going to

1186
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,559
become led Zeppelin, and in the last year they were

1187
01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:41,760
covering developt Underground live like that That is to me

1188
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,400
like on the Polk in a way that a lot

1189
01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:47,840
of but it no one cares about that stuff because

1190
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,000
it wasn't really a lot of these things that I

1191
01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:54,239
end up being like it's not, it's not. It probably

1192
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,320
sold some copies, a lot more copies.

1193
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,599
Speaker 3: Right, well, even actually remembering I already mentioned beyond the

1194
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,920
mentioning beyond the Valley of the Dolls again, like the

1195
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:08,159
Strawberry Strawberry alarm clock doing incense and peppermints in nineteen seventy,

1196
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,800
that's a three year old song. Like nobody would be

1197
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,400
happy to have that band at their house party in

1198
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:14,360
the Hollywood Hills.

1199
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:18,519
Speaker 5: Like that is so outdated. It's just like what the

1200
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:24,599
prize in the Hollywood Hills. The standards are a little.

1201
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 3: Lower actually considering the age of well, yeah, we're talking

1202
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,119
like people who are again in their mid thirties a

1203
01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:32,800
little older.

1204
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:37,639
Speaker 9: So yeah, not exactly I meant on the post, But

1205
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,079
like if you if it was like a capital record

1206
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,400
party with a bunch of drugs paid for it by people,

1207
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:45,519
you you know, even if.

1208
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,679
Speaker 5: The band's awful, it's not like there's money behind it

1209
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,800
in a way where like you watch a film like

1210
01:05:52,119 --> 01:05:55,639
Wilbur and the Baby Factory and there's not really money

1211
01:05:55,719 --> 01:05:57,360
behind it, but you can tell nudes.

1212
01:05:57,639 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. I mean, you got

1213
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,199
to remember, like the money behind these movies they don't

1214
01:06:01,239 --> 01:06:05,079
have the most to spend towards the hottest acts going, you.

1215
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 5: Know, and that's why I love what it is. Like.

1216
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:14,440
You know, I can be persnickety, but it's it's really groovy.

1217
01:06:14,519 --> 01:06:18,079
It's a really it's a really fun There's a second

1218
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,000
song in the movie that I don't I'm not sure

1219
01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:25,280
if it's by the same band that does the the theme,

1220
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,960
but I'm not even sure what the song title is.

1221
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:30,920
But uh, pay now, you'll pay now, You'll pay later,

1222
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:34,559
something like that or years go By. That's a really

1223
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:39,280
good song. Yeah, Like it's got like a like you

1224
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,920
can imagine almost the bands, like the way the singer

1225
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,199
of the band, Charlie kind of has like a weirdam

1226
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,000
You can almost imagine someone doing that to that song.

1227
01:06:49,119 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 4: As year well, that and the memorys grow with the

1228
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:24,039
time moving fast and you shout no one hears as.

1229
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:29,679
Speaker 6: The years roll by, So play down your pay Lada.

1230
01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:31,639
Speaker 5: There will be time.

1231
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:38,239
Speaker 4: For you to cry, yeah, pay down your pay later.

1232
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:44,719
Speaker 6: As the years roll by, years roll by.

1233
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:49,599
Speaker 8: Years row by.

1234
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 3: Last Off Girls should have been about that band, Charlie. Honestly,

1235
01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:00,239
first the first band is way more interesting. But because

1236
01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:03,199
that's like a real grungey garage band. Not these people

1237
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,719
trying to be like super super cool like Beatles, British

1238
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,559
Invasion people. It's like, well it's nineteen sixty seven, let's

1239
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:11,880
maybe get into the garage band era.

1240
01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:15,599
Speaker 5: Not these I mean not the I like the noise.

1241
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:19,319
I like the noise kind of like weird. Is it

1242
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,159
like an according what is that like? Yeah? I just

1243
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:29,960
I just think it's so books. That's what I love.

1244
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,840
Oh my god, I love that little like band that's

1245
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,199
bickering with an not just little like promoter man.

1246
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:40,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.

1247
01:08:41,119 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 5: Like I also like, I love this naughtiness of the

1248
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,199
band Charlie when they just go into a good night Yeah,

1249
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:47,760
like that.

1250
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:50,239
Speaker 3: I would have I would have it should have been them,

1251
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:52,399
because then we also would have gotten more Steve White.

1252
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,359
And instead he leaves the movie and Steve White is

1253
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,720
like a superstar from just for the hell of It,

1254
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,720
Just for the hell of it, Like we needed more

1255
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,159
Steve White movies, honestly.

1256
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 5: And wasn't he also in the twa Double on a Wheel.

1257
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,520
Speaker 3: Yes, he went down to Florida with Lancy LeNoble and

1258
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,119
I think Roy Kelodi and then he's an alley tramp.

1259
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,000
He sleeps with the Alley Tramp. He's Alley, isn't it?

1260
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,560
Ali chanps brother now or just a boyfriend? I don't remember.

1261
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,479
I don't need to rewatch that movie right now.

1262
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:25,319
Speaker 5: I haven't seen either of those movies. She Devils on

1263
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:31,640
wheels because of the fantastic essay that Gentry Austin, mister

1264
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,960
Gentry music and last stuff girls that's included, of course,

1265
01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:39,479
and the ap relye. It's the thing that you should

1266
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,079
buy if you haven't bought it. Why haven't you bought it?

1267
01:09:42,199 --> 01:09:47,199
This is gonna come out during partner Montre anyone.

1268
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 3: That's very stuff. Yes, I'm not paid by anyone.

1269
01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:58,119
Speaker 5: I've played people to do I'm not paid by anyone.

1270
01:09:58,199 --> 01:09:59,079
You should buy it.

1271
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:03,079
Speaker 3: We need that blue, we need that slipcase to sell out. People,

1272
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:05,720
go buy that. It's starting June first.

1273
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not going to be on camera, but buy it.

1274
01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 3: Holding it up.

1275
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what can we say? Final thoughts on Wilbur

1276
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,279
I mean it's a yeah, that's such an odd choice.

1277
01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:19,119
I'm glad that they but.

1278
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,199
Speaker 3: You want to do a whole episode on it. To

1279
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:24,479
be honest, it needs a deeper dive.

1280
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,319
Speaker 2: It does need some context and some discussion.

1281
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 3: Around it.

1282
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 2: I feel like to really understand what was going on.

1283
01:10:31,359 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, because there's also an aristic hats connection, but

1284
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,840
I'm not I'm not the one to talk about that now.

1285
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 3: Tom McGowan, who did the movie, wrote the story for

1286
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,319
the Aristocats the same year, like, he was very active

1287
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:46,760
in Hollywood. He yeah, like, so for him to do

1288
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,039
this little movie, it's very unusual. But I loved it

1289
01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:53,520
no more. He died like he died right. He died

1290
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,439
a couple of years after the DVD came out, and

1291
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,319
I was so mad because we didn't get a commentary.

1292
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,640
We didn't get stories about the product of this movie

1293
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,560
because Novak's not going to say anything. He had nothing

1294
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:03,399
to do with the production.

1295
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, the Tom McGowan piece, Yeah, that's the That's

1296
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:09,920
that unlocks it, I think.

1297
01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 5: M hm ye. But there are even though Novak wasn't,

1298
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,560
there are quite a few. I meant to bring this

1299
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,880
up earlier, but I kind of wanted to wait until

1300
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,920
the end. But there are quite a few number of

1301
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,840
Redheads and No Back films did seem to have like

1302
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:33,079
a what the deal with No Back? Redhead? I know,

1303
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:35,119
I love him. I wonder that too.

1304
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,079
Speaker 2: It's funny because yeah, that's why I'm always like, well,

1305
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,880
you know, I'm I'm arguing with Casey a little bit

1306
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,640
in terms of I feel like some of these Novak

1307
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,840
films like feel like a piece, you know, they sort

1308
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,319
of do feel interconnected, even though they're clearly not. Novak

1309
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,960
is just purchasing these films and distributing him right. I

1310
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:56,279
think he did have a certain eye towards what he

1311
01:11:56,399 --> 01:11:58,760
wanted to distribute, and I think if he saw a

1312
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,239
hot redhead, he was like more likely to distribute that film.

1313
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure, but that is yeah, I mean, but yeah,

1314
01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:10,079
I think my disagreement with you is over whether there's

1315
01:12:10,079 --> 01:12:13,439
a Novak aesthetic, and there is no Novak aesthetic because

1316
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,880
it's multiple filmmakers that just happen to have the same

1317
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,359
type of stuff that Novak is looking for. Yeah, it's not. Yeah,

1318
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,760
It's kind of like people saying Freelom Confidential is a

1319
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,159
Rosstlar movie because it looks like a Roster movie. Is

1320
01:12:26,199 --> 01:12:28,159
like you're describing every black and white movie shot in

1321
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:31,199
California at that time. They all look the same. It's

1322
01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:36,520
like you can't attribute it to one person. Yeah, California

1323
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,520
films are much less distinctive than New York films on

1324
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,960
that way. For me, they're all kind of there's a

1325
01:12:42,119 --> 01:12:47,119
monotone to their esthetic. Sure, unless you're rus Meyer, then

1326
01:12:47,159 --> 01:12:48,079
they're all very different.

1327
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 5: Which is why something like, at least for me and

1328
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,920
having not seen but I fully agree with what you

1329
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,600
did that Casey, why something like l ten Girls, even

1330
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,319
though it's kind of a massive a movie with that's

1331
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:04,640
been exciting besides it being the Lost Why with such

1332
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:09,239
like there's like these interesting, like even the boring kind

1333
01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:13,159
of baffling elements of like a lot of shots of

1334
01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:17,159
a bedside radio. It's an odd bedside radio that I've

1335
01:13:17,239 --> 01:13:20,840
like never seen before. Like it's like even just like

1336
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,840
these little things of just of of that happy pride

1337
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,800
by the way moving.

1338
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 3: Oh, actually that reminds me. Yeah, there's one person on

1339
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,399
this call who's seen Playpang Girls and it's not either

1340
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:36,560
member of the Sin syndicate.

1341
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Harry, that can you scan that for us? Send us?

1342
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good. I don't need to see it.

1343
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,039
You can send it to Gentry. I'll pass.

1344
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:56,199
Speaker 5: You're not mentioning much considering like I'm sure flesh and

1345
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,079
uh what flesh and smoke smoking flesh.

1346
01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:01,319
Speaker 3: What's oh smoking flash is great?

1347
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 5: Butter Brickle, Like, you're not gonna have a thene with

1348
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,680
butter Brickle, nojasical.

1349
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 2: Don't you want to at least like complete that? Victor

1350
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:13,840
Bertini like, uh, you know, see everything he's involved with.

1351
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 3: At least no, he has he has gathering of evil,

1352
01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:19,119
which I'm much more interested in seeing. That was a

1353
01:14:19,159 --> 01:14:21,840
funny thing looking listening back and knowing that you and

1354
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,880
Alex both were dying to see this based on that

1355
01:14:24,119 --> 01:14:26,800
terrible trailer, I was really surprised. I was like, guys,

1356
01:14:27,079 --> 01:14:29,560
there's nothing in this trailer that indicates there's any kind

1357
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,199
of story or anything going on here. It looks like

1358
01:14:32,399 --> 01:14:34,720
just a bunch of sex in an apartment, Like there's

1359
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,560
sometimes that it's not interesting, No, you need to look

1360
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:41,840
and also badly photographed. So I'm just like, no, yeah,

1361
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,880
now what's the other one? Teach me how to do it?

1362
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:47,359
That I could see being good because it's well photographed

1363
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,159
and it's the same thing where it's a bunch of

1364
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:52,640
people having sex in an apartment but nothing but playpen girls.

1365
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:57,520
Speaker 5: I was like, pass passa.

1366
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, Jeffrey before we sort of

1367
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,279
start to wrap up. So this DVD that this was

1368
01:15:45,359 --> 01:15:49,079
released on wilbur there's the second film on there, Tanya.

1369
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:53,000
You got a chance to watch that? Yeah, what did

1370
01:15:53,039 --> 01:15:53,840
you think of Tanya?

1371
01:15:54,079 --> 01:15:57,359
Speaker 5: I hate insect I hate it insect man?

1372
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 4: Oh you hate it?

1373
01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:02,199
Speaker 2: You hate insects. Yeah, that's the line that they keep saying.

1374
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 3: That's the best part of that movie.

1375
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 5: There's a scene where a revolutionary is violently spraying with

1376
01:16:11,039 --> 01:16:13,720
like a can of not raid but like buck pray

1377
01:16:14,039 --> 01:16:16,159
in sext and just being like ad.

1378
01:16:17,399 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 3: That is legitimately hilarious like that, that is the best

1379
01:16:21,039 --> 01:16:21,399
part of the.

1380
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 4: Play.

1381
01:16:24,039 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 5: Pen and Girls to me, isn't as disappointing in some

1382
01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:31,199
respect as a movie like Kanya is, because like Kanya

1383
01:16:31,359 --> 01:16:34,760
acknowledges at the start, and it's hilarious that it does.

1384
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,159
But like some might say, there's too much sex in

1385
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:41,840
this movie, it kinda is a little bit for like

1386
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,399
how little of a movie it is. There's a little

1387
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,239
bit too much sex in it and not like enough

1388
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:52,880
Patty hurts plaitation. Yeah, But also I think it's it's

1389
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:54,520
a fascinating.

1390
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,359
Speaker 2: I think it's funny. I think it's also genuinely funny

1391
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,279
when it's making jokes. But it is very much of

1392
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,279
the beats are very much like exposition, a little bit

1393
01:17:05,319 --> 01:17:09,000
of exposition, sex scene, exposition sex scene, right.

1394
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 3: And also it's just it's one of those things where

1395
01:17:13,159 --> 01:17:17,239
it's so late for softcore. It's just like this is

1396
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,479
this is not going to That's the thing that the

1397
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,399
only way to bring the people into the theater was

1398
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,920
that Patty Hurst angle. But then you also had Patty

1399
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,720
the Jennifer Jordan Sarah Nicholson New York movie that came

1400
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,600
out around the same time, which I think that is lost,

1401
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,279
except the negative is around. I thought Michael Bowen had

1402
01:17:36,359 --> 01:17:40,279
those elements and maybe sold them to someone. I don't

1403
01:17:40,279 --> 01:17:40,960
know what happened to it.

1404
01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 5: But so you have that one, I.

1405
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 3: Think I believe is hardcore. So you have a hard

1406
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,159
core Tanya Patty Hurst movie, and then you have this,

1407
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,760
and then and then that the Patty movie also got

1408
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,720
like a soundtrack LP, like I got a major release.

1409
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,000
She showed up, Jennifer Jordan showed up on SNL as

1410
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:01,199
Patty Hurst. And then you can see her on like

1411
01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:04,479
the season I think it's season two DVD in the

1412
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,079
audience they do a little cutaway to her, and so

1413
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:09,960
they were promoting the ship out of that. So then

1414
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,039
it's like, well, what the hell is Tanya compared to

1415
01:18:13,159 --> 01:18:16,079
this major X rated X rated project.

1416
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they missed the boat with that one. But I

1417
01:18:18,399 --> 01:18:19,600
think it's still a fun movie.

1418
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 3: It's good. Marie Arnold is greatest.

1419
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 2: I see Marie and Arnold and Tally just like, yes.

1420
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 3: They're both fun. Yeah, Marie Arnold is so Yeah. Eventually

1421
01:18:30,119 --> 01:18:36,199
she becomes she becomes too revolutionary even for them, which

1422
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:39,319
is very relatable because there are people who become too

1423
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,079
woke and then go all they go a little too woke.

1424
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,199
It's just like, okay, calm.

1425
01:18:44,079 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 2: Down, Like but you know what made me laugh the

1426
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:52,600
hardest Casey is seeing Patrick show up in his outfit.

1427
01:18:53,600 --> 01:19:02,159
Speaker 3: He's always a cop to death. Yeah, yeah, I thought.

1428
01:19:02,199 --> 01:19:04,359
I don't remember if I asked Tally who made that.

1429
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,119
I feel like I must have because that was something

1430
01:19:07,159 --> 01:19:08,800
that I was That was one of her movies I

1431
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,640
was a big fan of. I have to re listen

1432
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:11,600
to my interview with her.

1433
01:19:12,279 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's very cheap.

1434
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 3: It's shot in like two locations. Yeah, it's a lot

1435
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:22,199
of outdoor yard footage. Yeah. I do enjoy that one though.

1436
01:19:22,399 --> 01:19:25,279
Speaker 2: It's uh yeah, I think that needs some more love.

1437
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,960
I don't know, I don't know how it would go

1438
01:19:28,039 --> 01:19:28,680
over these days.

1439
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 3: That was when I gave four and a half stars

1440
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,800
that I rewatched and it went down to three and

1441
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,960
a half because I was crazy when I reviewed it.

1442
01:19:37,079 --> 01:19:41,039
But yeah, it's definitely worthwhile. I I, uh, yeah, I

1443
01:19:41,119 --> 01:19:43,279
recommend it because I love Marie Arnold. I want more

1444
01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:44,680
people to know who Marie Arnold is.

1445
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:49,239
Speaker 2: So agreed. All right, Jeffrey, Well, thanks for coming on

1446
01:19:49,399 --> 01:19:52,880
and chatting about the Gap, So remind us again with

1447
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,479
the upcoming gap stuff is the dates.

1448
01:19:55,760 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 5: June fit jeff Brian House volume three, and pay attention

1449
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:06,319
to this face and there's gonna be something interesting coming

1450
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,840
up that I'm in talk to you and maybe even

1451
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,880
another thing that I don't even know who that is.

1452
01:20:13,239 --> 01:20:17,720
But also there there's the letterbox lists that I made

1453
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,640
that I sort of put more I've kind of put

1454
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,479
too much time and focused into like actually being like,

1455
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:29,279
what what would be my top ten? Uh, you can

1456
01:20:29,359 --> 01:20:31,079
go and potentially like that.

1457
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 2: Oh your top ten sexploitation or your top ten you

1458
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:34,640
want to see at the Gap.

1459
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,199
Speaker 5: The patrons exploitation.

1460
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna put that in the show notes. Yeah,

1461
01:20:39,319 --> 01:20:39,680
I'll put that.

1462
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 5: What I want to see at the gap is basically

1463
01:20:42,199 --> 01:20:47,119
anything that the whole films, especially something weird stuff. Really,

1464
01:20:47,399 --> 01:20:50,199
I've been in a mood to program Italian films and

1465
01:20:50,359 --> 01:20:55,159
that's that's what the first three have been through it

1466
01:20:55,239 --> 01:20:59,239
of all Italian. Yeah, and not just three Italian films.

1467
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:04,039
It's ended up being five Italian films. Depending on what

1468
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:06,439
this next one is, it might have just been four

1469
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:11,399
Italian films, but it's a lot more than I originally anticipated.

1470
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,439
And I just want to get that interesting Italian cinema

1471
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,640
out there, especially stuff that hasn't been seen.

1472
01:21:20,279 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now try to get try to screen to be

1473
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,760
twenty and let's see how that goes with an audience.

1474
01:21:28,119 --> 01:21:30,039
I don't know if you get on thirty five. I

1475
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:31,439
wish you luck with that. I don't.

1476
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:36,199
Speaker 5: I don't think they can. I would, yeah, but then

1477
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,039
I feel like that was on my list at some

1478
01:21:39,159 --> 01:21:40,359
point and I took it off.

1479
01:21:41,079 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 3: It's a great movie. It's just it's how do you

1480
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:45,600
how do you walk out of the theater after that?

1481
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:50,479
You know, that's a tough one, or you have to

1482
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,199
follow it with something more upbeat and wholesome. I think

1483
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,319
you can't. You can't end the night on that and

1484
01:21:56,399 --> 01:21:59,680
send people out into the night after that brutal ending.

1485
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1486
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 2: So if you're out at the Gap June fifth, say

1487
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:04,640
hi to Jeffrey.

1488
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:05,319
Speaker 3: He'll be there.

1489
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 5: Oh God, be there.

1490
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,159
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say to greet people, I feel like

1491
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:13,000
you should. I feel like you should be the greeter.

1492
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 5: I there's other people that are more Harry Garo, whose

1493
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:23,479
friends are is much more capable of faith, and I

1494
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,399
would really like to just I've said this a lot,

1495
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:30,079
but I am really thankful to all the people that Gap,

1496
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:37,159
and especially Harry Gero. I'm really thankful, especially to Michael

1497
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,279
for doing the interview that I did on the show.

1498
01:22:41,399 --> 01:22:46,560
Very nice. I believe the Wilburg Prince was his, and

1499
01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:51,680
that is just I really love saying box Office International

1500
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,760
Pictures stuff. For whatever reason, I don't know what's wrong

1501
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,600
with me. A lot of things. No, I got it

1502
01:23:00,039 --> 01:23:04,720
one of those films on thirty five millimeter, and to

1503
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:08,119
have it be as good of a film considering a

1504
01:23:08,199 --> 01:23:12,359
lot of the stuff isn't as good, you know, like

1505
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:20,760
the Sexy South, you know that dbcse DBD case. I'm

1506
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,399
willing to give them a shot if anyone has a

1507
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:28,399
copy that they don't want and are very angry at me.

1508
01:23:29,159 --> 01:23:32,239
You can throw a copy at my head. I will

1509
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,399
be hit in the head, but don't worry. I will

1510
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,000
now have a copy of Sexy South, so just don't

1511
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:38,920
even worry about it.

1512
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:42,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Sexy South collection, I think goes for a

1513
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:45,600
pretty hefty price if you want to yelling fortune.

1514
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,039
Speaker 3: I was rooting for Toy Box if it wasn't gonna

1515
01:23:49,039 --> 01:23:51,720
be Wilburn. I know. My my theory was toy Box

1516
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,279
because I think in the in the sen Sindicet chat

1517
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,199
we were we were throwing at titles of stuff we

1518
01:23:57,319 --> 01:23:59,920
thought it could have been, and I was hoping for

1519
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:04,000
a toy Box because that's the Toy Box is a

1520
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,079
great midnight movie. It's it's basically rocky horror with more sex.

1521
01:24:07,159 --> 01:24:09,920
It's great. It's it's really good.

1522
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:12,079
Speaker 2: Maybe one day and it did.

1523
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 5: I would have been.

1524
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,319
Speaker 3: Okay with either of those. Actually, yes, and Toys Are

1525
01:24:19,319 --> 01:24:21,800
Not for Children would have been great, Except that's another one.

1526
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:23,079
How do you go home after that?

1527
01:24:24,199 --> 01:24:24,520
Speaker 8: You can't?

1528
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 3: How do you go home after that?

1529
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 5: What about the Secret Sex Fives of Romeo and Julien?

1530
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:32,079
What about that?

1531
01:24:32,359 --> 01:24:34,279
Speaker 3: I love that one, but I don't know. That's the

1532
01:24:34,359 --> 01:24:36,880
thing in terms of programming, because when I was programming,

1533
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:38,800
that was always a concern, was that there's too much

1534
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,359
sex if it comes monotonous and boring in a certain

1535
01:24:42,399 --> 01:24:45,720
theatrical settings. So that's why the country stuff would be

1536
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,119
very difficult. Romeo and Juliet would be difficult, and Tory's

1537
01:24:49,159 --> 01:24:51,720
Cleipatra like all those things would be tough. But something

1538
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,520
like wilbur which is like more like a quote unquote

1539
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,520
real movie, it flows much better. And so a Toy

1540
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,319
Boxes is straddling that line where there's Almo it's too

1541
01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:02,840
much sex, but it's so weird that I think the

1542
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:04,119
whole experience would be good.

1543
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 2: Well, agree, Yeah.

1544
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 5: The thing that I like about the Gap Theater is

1545
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:13,760
that they seem to be potentially more willing to play

1546
01:25:14,199 --> 01:25:21,279
occasionally some more risk not risky, but like more sexy

1547
01:25:21,359 --> 01:25:25,439
stuff than maybe some other theaters. So, like, you know,

1548
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,720
it might be a little bit it might not be

1549
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,560
the easiest thing in the world to show about the

1550
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:34,279
Buffalo movie or a Peter Perry Junior a movie at

1551
01:25:34,359 --> 01:25:37,520
the Gap Theater around thirty five millimeters, but why not

1552
01:25:38,199 --> 01:25:41,840
just because it isn't easy, doesn't doesn't mean that it

1553
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,119
shouldn't be done because it's hard. That was dark.

1554
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,359
Speaker 2: I would really like to model right there.

1555
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 3: There you go manchon Lace, I could see. I'm trying

1556
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,600
to think of any Pete Perry movie. Kiss Me Quick? Actually,

1557
01:25:55,159 --> 01:25:57,800
that would be wild on my list.

1558
01:25:58,199 --> 01:26:03,600
Speaker 2: Just to see that on a big screen, I think, yes, yeah.

1559
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 5: I'm glad to have been your a sexual representative or whatever.

1560
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 3: Good, well, happy pride, it's for.

1561
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 5: I'm happy for a lot of reasons.

1562
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 3: That's good. Yeah, that's good. Actually, speaking of kiss Me Quick,

1563
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:25,760
you know, I just I randomly connected with laslow Kovac's

1564
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,439
daughter on TikTok okay and she's like, and I said,

1565
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,399
I love your dad's early work, and she said, oh,

1566
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,279
do you have anything you would recommend? And I was

1567
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,800
kind of like, do I recommend she watched kiss Me

1568
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,920
Quick or Mantis and Lace or any other sex movies

1569
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:45,239
he shot because Ymela Honey is great. Yeah, it's kind

1570
01:26:45,279 --> 01:26:48,119
of It's like, I think her education starts with easy

1571
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:51,359
Writer and everything before that she's not aware of. And

1572
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,920
it's just like, well, if you can get in the

1573
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,800
right mindset of like, this is not this is not

1574
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:00,319
as exploitable women as you think it is right then

1575
01:27:00,399 --> 01:27:03,079
you And I think if you focus on the technical

1576
01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:06,479
skill of your father's work and not on the narrative,

1577
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,079
I think you'd be fine. So watch Smell of Honey.

1578
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:13,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean that almost seems like a second

1579
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:17,800
or a third one. But at the same time, like

1580
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:20,800
what would be what would be the first?

1581
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:24,319
Speaker 3: Like if I would say Manson Lace, Probably I think

1582
01:27:24,359 --> 01:27:27,199
it's the more accessible. It's basically a horror movie with

1583
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,880
some sex in m and the color is really good,

1584
01:27:30,199 --> 01:27:32,960
you know. Yeah, so it's not Kiss Me Quick. The

1585
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:37,239
color is better, but it's also like a bunch of strippers. Yeah.

1586
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:40,800
I mean, I think it's a masterpiece. But I would

1587
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:45,439
not recommend that to anybody blind to say, watch giuse

1588
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:45,880
me quick?

1589
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:51,119
Speaker 2: Right, Well, Jeffrey, should we leave it there for.

1590
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:55,319
Speaker 3: Our short probably probably we could talk forever.

1591
01:27:55,279 --> 01:27:57,359
Speaker 2: But we are glad that you were able to give

1592
01:27:57,399 --> 01:28:00,760
a little report from the gap, and we will try

1593
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,000
to get out there at some point. I know we

1594
01:28:03,159 --> 01:28:06,199
keep saying that out to the boondocks.

1595
01:28:07,399 --> 01:28:10,159
Speaker 5: Well, to b F maybe they could even try and

1596
01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:11,880
play the sinse then to get.

1597
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 3: No, oh, well, they don't need to show the movie

1598
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,960
the sin syndicate. That thing's a piece of shit, But.

1599
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 5: If they wanted to, I think they should.

1600
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 3: No theater, Oh no, that movie is like sixty percent

1601
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:32,800
stock footage. It's so terrible. And I do think if

1602
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:37,520
we were able to sponsor uh uh, some screenings, maybe

1603
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,840
a gap grind House sponsored by the Sin Syndicate, and

1604
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,319
there were surprise screenings and we were able to pick

1605
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,319
out of Harry's I know Harry has good ship, so

1606
01:28:47,359 --> 01:28:49,800
if we were able to pick some titles, it would

1607
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,319
be nice surprises. And it's stuff that Gentry and I

1608
01:28:52,399 --> 01:28:55,760
could agree on because you know, not to glaze ourselves.

1609
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,880
Gentry and I have good taste, so we would pick

1610
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,640
the right movies for for something like that. So that's

1611
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:02,800
I would love to do that.

1612
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 5: M hm.

1613
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, future.

1614
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:09,199
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to it, and it could happen, and

1615
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:13,960
hopefully everyone involved would be down, but they all seem

1616
01:29:14,319 --> 01:29:20,159
they seem ecstatic about the potentiality of having y'all there.

1617
01:29:20,359 --> 01:29:22,319
But yeah, no pressure on.

1618
01:29:22,399 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 2: That touch base again, Yeah for sure.

1619
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 3: Well I've known Michael and Caitlin for years, so yeah,

1620
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:29,000
I haven't seen them in a long time.

1621
01:29:29,239 --> 01:29:41,279
Speaker 4: So there's a new race with a new face, and

1622
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:49,640
that's my lot, same as de duction that's in duction.

1623
01:29:51,079 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 7: It's a.

1624
01:29:53,439 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 6: New game and of the man that we should be

1625
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:16,720
at Bay the Factory and the red light is the same.

1626
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:21,159
Speaker 4: For the world, still the night.

1627
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:27,159
Speaker 6: If it's all right, it's my pleasure.

1628
01:30:28,119 --> 01:30:31,359
Speaker 4: To be with you tonight.

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Speaker 7: And now.

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Speaker 6: For a short child, that's the way it's meant to

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be at Bay at Babe at May.

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Speaker 5: Factory.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening. Do you hear more shows from

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the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network? Please select the link

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in the description.

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Speaker 10: Hey everybody, this is Ryan from the New World Pictures Podcast.

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We're on a mission to watch every movie ever made

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by New World Pictures with me as always as Mark

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every movie, every movie, every movie from the Roger Kormancole

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classics like That'll be on the Stars, from the super

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weird stuff you never even heard of, like Eating Run.

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Speaker 4: Thanks you Ton you want to say, hey, it's nice.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Mark every movie and Erica every movie. Yes, Erica

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every movie, every movie. So we're still talking about night.

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Speaker 4: Two sharing and all the bonus stuff too.

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Speaker 3: We're talking things we love, things we hate, and favorite

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scenes inside jokes.

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Speaker 4: And I know we're not a final questions, but are

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we still talking about Ryan's research?

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Speaker 10: I know I am So. Check out our website, New

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World Pictures podcast dot com, or subscribe to the New

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World Pictures Podcast wherever you listen to your podcasts, follow

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us on the socials, and we'll see you next time

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at the New World Pictures Podcast. Proud to be a

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part of someone's favorite productions podcast network.