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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. I'm
so happy that you're here with us today because I
have a really delightful guest. Her name is Liz Murdoch,
and she's an intuitive guide and a founder of Talking
with Dogs, so she has a lot to draw upon
in terms of her personal and professional experience. She's experienced
loss on many ways, including the loss of her daughter Grace,
and in the last two years two of our own dog,
so she's really very well equipped to help people who
are going through one of the hardest moments in life,
which is of course, saying goodbye to a beloved pet.
And we're going to talk today about how to know
if it's time, and more importantly, to let the animal
know it's okay to go. So thank you Liz for
being with us.
Speaker 2: Oh good to be here. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I know you've been doing animal communication for a
long time and in many cases you're dealing with people
who are at this phase. You know, they love their
animals so much and it's the coming to the end
or at the end. And I know you've had many
conversations with animals, and I want to hear some. I
know you've got many, many stories, but we want to
look at animals who tell you yes, I'm ready, and
animals will tell you no, I'm not ready, and kind
of so people can understand what that process is how
to be better prepared for it. So I know there
was a story about a black lab named Missy, and
let's hear what she has to say when you talk
with her.
Speaker 2: Okay, So first of all, I changed the names because
I don't have releases from everyone. Sure, no problem, I've
done that. But Missy came to me as a dog
her dog mom, who's very much the dog mom, in
a panic because it was her dog's time. And this
was last October. Actually, I called to check in on her.
We have worked together and I rarely do that, but
I had this nudge I just how's it going? And anyway,
so she was in tears. It was my dog's time.
She's not doing well. I go, oh, she's not eating.
I knew that. So we had several sessions and we
texted back and forth, and I was convinced it was
not the dog's time. But I can't just say that
as an animal communicator, I need to give evidence of
what I'm getting. And so I said, well, she wants
her bowl lifted. Her water bowl do you know what
that means? And she said, yes, actually I do. You've
said that before and I don't remember often clients I
start fresh. So I said, oh, well, she really wants
it raised, so she raised the water bowl. The dog
hadn't been eating or drinking, not drinking very much, and
so she raised the water bowl, which led to drinking
a lot more water, which led to mobility improving, which
led to being hungry. And she sent me lab records
where the vets say, you're not going to believe this,
but all because the animal said I want my water
bowl lifted, this dog is still alive, having her best life.
So that's not the case for all dogs, and some
are right, But that's why I think this is so important.
That dog was not ready. She gave a very specific
detail on what she wanted and it changed everything for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is so important. I mean, can you imagine
if that person and you had not been able to talk,
or she had wondered did I do everything?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And of course that always come to play, you know,
did I do everything? And maybe there is something that
not in all cases, but in some cases it could
be something simple that makes a huge difference. So that's
a beautiful story. Thank you for doing that. That's wonderful.
Let's do it ready. I know there was a dog
dashound Milo but wants some alone time with each family member,
so he's ready to go. But tell us what happened
when you asked the question are you ready to go?
Or is that how it worked? Did you ask that question?
Speaker 2: So I ask my clients, don't tell me anything. Write
your questions down so you can refer to them as necessary.
I'm going to let the animals go first. So these
were people I had never worked with, and we do
it on zoom zoom. Was just on the dog. None
of than wanted to be seen other than I'll say
the host, the one who made the appointment. She came
on and off. So I'm looking at Milo and I go, oh,
you don't feel well. What do you want? And I
heard him say I want to be propped up. He
was uncomfortable and adjust the blanket. So he did that,
and I didn't know that they had it scheduled, which
I later found out for later that afternoon. So I said,
he wants that, and then I think they jumped in
right away because they were so grief stricken with anticipatory grief.
Is he ready to go? And I will let me see.
I know he wants to be propped up, so they
did that immediately. I said, oh my, I'm glad you
feel better. Your family wants to know what is it
that you really want in this time? And he said,
I want I'm ready to go. I just need alone
time with each person. And I was like oh, and
I didn't know how many people, but there were a
handful of family members behind the the computer listening, and
I said, oh, tell me more about that. He goes,
I want alone time with each person. I need to
be alone. I'm like okay. So then they asked questions, well,
is he okay because we have it scheduled for today,
and I said, Milu, he goes, yes, I know about that,
but I need to be alone. He kept saying that
no's we sort of wrapped it up early because they
felt that that was what they wanted to do. And
she wrote me a long letter saying afterwards he described
picnic tables that he wanted and he described his life
so that they knew that I was getting information that
made sense from him. I think that's really important. So
I described many things about their family time. So she
wrote back and she said that by the end of
their alone time that each person had, he had shifted
and was looking at them differently with a connection, and
she felt that he was looking at her, and they
had a very meaningful goodbye and release and they were
in a different place because they had that bucket list time,
which not every dog or family that's what they get
in their sessions. But this family, that time made them
all align.
Speaker 3: That's so beautiful to have the energy aligned and to
have everybody feel ready. And you know, sometimes it doesn't
mean you have to go to you know, to Paris
for a week or something like that. Maybe it's just
like a little moment of looking into each other's eyes
and saying how much you love each other, and just
the mere fact of everybody being ready, everybody being on
the same page, because sometimes what happens on the human
side is maybe one member of the family recognizes its
time and another one doesn't. And you know this can
be confusing for the animal, right, yeah, yes, yes, yeah, wow, okay,
all right, So a not ready story about a black
cat name Maestro that said, oh, this was exactly the
one I was just saying, spouse is not aligned and
they had different opinions. So how did how did what
happened with your conversation with Maestro?
Speaker 2: So Maestro was a cat I've known for many, many years,
and so I got a phone call. It was late
at night. It was a friend and she said it's
we think it's time. And I immediately heard Maestro, with
this ornery voice, go we, And I go, oh, well,
who's the we? And she was what the vets said?
And I'm like, okay, because that's often but but I've
learned that a vets can say that, but they don't
necessarily mean right this minute, you know, but people hear
that and she needs start thinking about it. But that's
she heard. Should we go tonight at eleven o'clock and
I think nine when we were talking and I said, well,
he's saying, we where your husband? And she goes, he's
in the other room. He doesn't think it's time. And
I said, okay, I'm going to ask maestro. So came Astro,
what do you say he got about this? And he
said it would be a disaster if I left, they
would be fighting. This is not good. I can't leave
them like this. And that's a common thing that comes up,
as I can't leave either the one person or a group.
And I go, oh, and so my friend goes, yeah,
he's pretty meaning the spouse. He's pretty adamant it's not
time because he looks good, and it can be deceiving.
And that's why it's hard, because like one of my
dogs was eating right before, but he had so many
other signs and symptoms that for us it was time. Yeah.
So I said, okay, well, let's ask him what he wants,
and she goes, okay. I go, well, first of all,
he wants the two of you to talk about this, okay,
about how what you both think. And second of all,
he says he actually wouldn't mind some more time. Outside
in the sun and he says, you can care carrying
my bed out there, and he gave these details that
she said, yes, we did that, and I said, well,
that's what he wants, and that's something that more than
a few animals want, is more time in the sunshine.
So I didn't hear from her. I left her and
I let leave people alone. And so she surfaces a
few days later and said, well he still She sends
a picture of this cat f lounging in this she
says he's eating and great, keep keep up the good work.
I didn't ask about the relationship because that's not really
my place, right. I hear from her again, Maestro has
now passed. They were in unison. It was they were
very grateful for the for the circumstances around the last day,
in the final moments, and how it transpired. Yeah, you know, yeah,
sometimes she's just so different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's just sometimes it's just a little bit
more time.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's not like they need another year or something, you know,
to be on life support or something crazy. But sometimes
it's just a little bit of completion time. I think
there's a cycle on the human side, cycle on the
animal side. And if we have time, I definitely want
to hear more about how you have what you've understood
from animals. I know you've gone through dealing with personal
loss yourself and with your daughter, but what the animals
have to say about the whole process. So okay, so
let's do another story before we go to the break.
Sasha was ready to go and she was sitting in
the rocking chair downstairs. What happened was Sasha and was
Sasha darker cat?
Speaker 2: Sasha was a cat again. It's someone who I did
not know. Sometimes people just book a session and it's
just like hi, and I'm like, who are we talking to?
And so it was this cat on a bed and
all I could see was this woman's hand because a
lot of people don't want to be on a zoom
screen because it's schnol, which is fine. So I see
this hand in this cat and how and the cat
did not look good? And I'm like, Hi, Sasha again,
I made up name, but Hi, I'm Liz. I want
to know what you want. How are you feeling I'm
not feeling good? And I go, oh, but there's somebody
else who's not here. I can hold on and you know,
it's not about keeping an animal alive or going to suit.
The needs of people is well, if they're comfortable and
there's details that they can get through another couple hours
or days that you do work with your vet to
manage pain and everything, that's important for sure. So anyway,
this cat was ready but said I can't go yet,
but I want to go downstairs. And I said, are
you upstairs because I feel these stairs and she wants
to go downstairs. There's a rocking chair. I could see it.
I describe really well. So again the people know it's
their animal. So I said, she just wants to go
in this rocking chair and she goes, oh, she's it's
with my daughter there, but my daughter's not home. And
I said, well, Sasha, can you wait? And I and
I could feel the nause I mean thinking about it.
I said, she's nauseous, and and the mom says, well,
I have meds I can give her. I said, well,
you need to make sure to keep her comfortable. And
she goes, yeah, the vet had said, and often you
know it's about fine tuning it with the vet. Oh,
the vet said, you could give more, so go ahead.
Those details matter. So anyway, so I didn't hear from her,
heard from her. The next day. The daughter came home,
Sasha was downstairs and actually passed peacefully in their walking chair.
Oh it's amazing.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. Yeah, I mean, it's so wonderful when we
can make the passing be as suitable to the animal
as they wish, and you know, we have some idea
of what it should be like or whatever, but they
might have another idea. And just being able to know
from the animal what it is that they want, you know,
to be able to wait for that daughter and be
in the chair that was the comfort place, and it's
so beautiful, really beautiful story, really beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to take a short little break. When
we come back, I know we've got some more stories,
and I also want to hear just in general, what
you've learned about how animals understand death, how they feel
about death, some general ideas about death according to animals.
So we'll be right back in just a.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to The Human Animal Connection. I'm your host,
Genie Joseph, the executive director of the Human Animal Connection,
and I'm speaking with Liz Murdoch. And she has a wonderful, wonderful,
just wonderful stories about her Talking with the Dogs. That's
her the name of her organization, and you can also
find her at that website. We'll give that website at
the end also, but it's Talking Withthdogs dot com. So, Liz,
I was just wondering if you could give us a
little bit of insight about you know, we humans, we
get pretty worked up about death. It's pretty hard stuff
for us. What if you learn from the animals about
how them. Of course, every animal is different. I don't
mean to say all animals just think the same thing,
feel the same thing. But in general, what have you
noticed about how animals relate to death?
Speaker 2: They're pretty much about the body and a lot of
the animals I've worked with have died at a senior age,
but some of them were younger. And it's usually about
the body. It's always about the body. It's like, my
body's not working. It's about leaving the body, and often
their their spirit. The voice that I hear is very
strong and it's very reassuring, and it's they know it's
about my body's not working, and they're they're okay with
that is the common common thread.
Speaker 3: Okay, So do they have a sense that they will
continue in some way either in consciousness or is a soul?
What is your sense that are they? Are they saying, well,
my body's not working, which they're not, not to their preference,
but they're not that concerned because tell well, I don't
want to put words in your mouth. What have you noticed?
Speaker 2: Oh? Some of them are sort of snarky, like what
a pain in the net kind of thing. It's like
I really like being able to do X, but I
can't do that. So they have their personalities that come
through while they're alive, and I can say they're like, ah,
what you know? But that was then you know that
they sort of are like I used to be able
to run, but that's not working out so well. I've
had that, or I love you so much, I don't
want you to worry my experience in terms of where
they go, which I think you're sort of getting at
what they say. It's more like you'll understand one day.
I very much have had that, and in all my
work and experience that we will understand one day, And
they're more about that, like you'll be okay, I don't
want to see you suffer there. And again, these are
clients who have come to me, so it's a unique
pool of people who have made this a priority to
have me talk to their pets. So it's a cool
But the animals pretty much they either don't want to
see their people suffer with the agony. Some dogs have
died and their people weren't there, and they feel this
guilt like, oh, you're supposed to be there. Well, it
didn't work out that way. And the animals give them
details like you would have hated it, You would not
have liked what you would have witnessed, right right, right,
So they they want to give specific detail more in
my work about the circumstances of their end of life
than giving away secrets because we wouldn't understand it, and
we would twist it. And again that's my experience over
and over that there. None of them have said I'm
in a puppy yard with all my friends. I've had
them describe. Actually most people don't ask, but we'll say,
who is he with one dog? I said, he's not
with anybody. I don't see that, and she goes, yeah,
he didn't know anyone who died. And I was like, oh, well,
good thing. I just said what I got, And yeah,
I go, I don't see him with anyone. I see this.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like a galaxy of energy shifting and changing,
and so they are more matter of fact about the
circumstances of their passing. They will say things about the
person after who they've left, like your dog says, you
can put the pillows back on the bed. They put
the pillows back on the bed, and it turns out
they weren't making the bed there. It meant something to them,
right right, right, Yeah, So it's usually about the circumstances
to help the people or have you Do you have
a sense that they're not afraid in general of passing
the process of passing.
Speaker 3: They're maybe not happy that the body is not working,
but well, how do they feel about death? Do they
do they know it's coming? Do they face it with
equanimity and acceptance? So is there fear? Have you seen
animals be afraid?
Speaker 2: I had seen one cat be afraid just it. Yes,
I mean I witnessed there. We have feral cats on
my street and they ate in to my house and
I alerted the people who were the ones who the
feeders and the caretakers and the trappers, and I said,
what's going on? They want help? And so that was
But that cat was sort of skittish and it was feisty,
but it was very, very sick, and it was hard
to catch this cat, but they did. And afterwards the
other one came back to me after it had happened
with sort of a sign. So that was a hard
one for me to process because I witnessed something and
it had more to do, I think, with how the
person was handling because he was feral cat. This cat,
but he went very quick and he could he was
very ill us So that was the only time I
will say that my own dog, Teddy and I did this.
I talked about this on my podcast. He was very sick,
he wasn't eating, he gave me the look. He would
not even drink water that last day. He looked at
me like, why would I bother. Doctor Kevin came to
our house and I had said to him, I don't
want to let you in, but I know I have to.
So doctor Kevin walks in and Teddy, who hadn't moved
all day from his bed, after he plopped down, I go, Teddy,
this is doctor Kevin. He's here to help you. And
Teddy got up and walked over to doctor Kevin and
lay down in his feet and we were all like,
oh my gosh. And it's like he knew it. And
he laid down exactly the way the vet wanted him.
In fact, he didn't need a preparation that Teddy allowed
him to move him. Teddy went so quickly that before
doctor Kevin even started, I thought, is he still alive? So, yeah,
dogs are amazing. Yeah, we were all wide eyed.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they seem to know. They seem to know
it's time, and they don't seem to be particularly scared
about the process of dying in the way that maybe
humans would experience it. And they seem ready I guess, well,
when they are ready, obviously they're not always ready. So,
I mean, you have stories where the animals tell you
that they're not ready. But in most cases, what would
you say is the percentage, let's say, of one hundred,
I'll just pick a number one hundred sessions dealing with
this issue. How often do you get ready? How often
you get not ready? I know it's just anecdotically, but yes, so.
Speaker 2: I would say most of the time they're not ready
because they want the people to be mindfully aware of logistics. Okay,
of whether it's a few hours like the dog talked
about already, or a couple days to help the people
for the most part.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's mostly mostly about human readiness, making sure
that the humans have as easy a process was it
as possible, whatever the human factors are.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, However, there are the dogs like Missy who
wanted the water bowl raised, and I have a lot
of k I have another dog like that that's still
alive since December, and that dog wanted something. So that's
why it's important for the people to listen to what
they know and ground yourself and get calmers. It's hard
or get support from someone to walk through this time.
So you're not like can't breathe I mean right, I was.
When we were offered it with Teddy, I was like, okay,
thinking and the two of the people with me said no,
he needs to come home for tonight.
Speaker 3: Had like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, fascinating, fascinating. Okay. So
there was a dog named Billy who was an example
of not right. Tell us the story of Billy. He
was not ready. I mean, yes, oh, Billy.
Speaker 2: I've had over thirty sessions with this. With Billy, so
he died. He came to me over time when we
discussed treatment options. He was a big dog with some
health issues, and he actually died on a operating table
and then he came back and the Dodgers were freaked
out and they like this hardly ever happens, especially with
the big dog. And so his dog mom called and
I said, he wasn't ready. He wasn't going to do
it without you. He was not going to go. So
she brought him home and it was again, when should
we do this. She had house guests who were saying,
this is awful. You need to let him go, and
she didn't feel right, and I said, well, who do
you want to listen to? Do you want to listen
to yourself or do you want to listen to these
people who are here for the weekend. And she goes,
I just know it's not right. I go, well, this
is between you and your dog, and so I supported
her and she goes, can we have another session? So
we did, and she said I think we're getting closer.
Can you ask him? And I said yeah, sure, So
I said what do he goes? She needs to decide
where and she said, well, I don't know, and I said, well,
she goes ask him. I said, he goes, he wants
to do outside under the tree. She goes, there is
no tree. I said, he says there is, it's out front.
She goes, there's no tree. So she's arguing with me,
and I keep going back to the dog and I'm like,
what is it that you want? He describes this tree,
She says there's no tree. She goes to the backyard.
She's showing me trees and I said, well, it's sort
of like that tree, but that's not right. And I
hear the dog say, ask your husband. He's the dog
said the husband's name who I've never met the husband,
but I knew his name. Ask your husband. So She's like, Okay,
are you sure not this tree? I'm sure. So next
thing I know, she's booked another session and we have
a session and she's crying and I'm like, oh my gosh.
She go, he's gone. I go, oh, I go, okay,
how are you? She goes, I'm okay, she goes, I go,
where did you do this? She said, Well, I asked
my husband and he sat out front under the tree.
And that dog was so specific, and it turned out
I'm going to cry, you know. It turned out that
the tree was outside her office window. She'd never noticed it,
so that when she sits in her office she can
now look at this tree in a very meaningful way.
So that dog was clearly not ready when he died
on the operating table and came back, and it was
a process, but when he did go, and this is
why I like to help people trust these kind of messages,
is because it became so meaningful to her, and people say,
I have this odd sense of peace. Even though I
hate this, I know it was right. And I mean
she loves her train in oriole. That's now there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you know, as an animal, chaplain when they have
the opportunity to be at the time close to passing,
you know, whether that's veterinary, it's just a passing or whatever.
And I'll ask the animal, is there some communication link
or a sign that you would like to use so
that when the person knows, well, when that feather blows in,
that's just not a feather blowing in, that's my dog
or whatever. And is it very beautiful when we can
get that. We don't always have that opportunity, but it's
a wonderful thing because sometimes people are like, is it
a sign or isn't it? Well, okay, yeah, that's a sign.
Speaker 2: He told you that would be the sign.
Speaker 3: Right, that's beautiful. That's beautiful. Okay, well, I know we
have time. I think for one more story about baby.
Can you tell us a story about baby?
Speaker 2: This was a dog again, I never met them. It
was urgent. Can you know I've got this decision to make.
I'm not ready? And I said, well, who? She says
that this dog that know that you're concerned about the
money because there are different fees and you have someone
come to the home and she goes she's concerned about
the money, and which rarely comes up and a lot
of people. And this woman too is like, oh, I
don't care. I can all find the money. And I said,
she does not want you to spend a lot of
money on this, and she said, but I want to
do it here at home, and she goes, no, she's
adamant you are not to spend money that you don't have.
If you were to get the money, she'd rather you
buy it. And I had this image of like a candle,
something artsy kind of candle. He says, it's way more
important that you buy some kind of candle. I describe
something and she goes, okay, Well, I don't know where
to do it. She's got different options and availability, and
that's a big thing for people in pre planning is
to find out who's available to support you. So I'm
sweating and thinking about this. So this dog said, you
need to be with some one really kind where you
feel comfortable. And I said, I see a door, like
going in a back door. She says, I know which
location that is. She had been thinking about two different
options and I said, kind, loving, and not a lot
of money. Use whatever money you have or that you're
going to get to something for us. Okay, So she
so Anyway, we end our session and she's feeling better
but still wobbly. Lets me know that they did go
to the place with the back door, that people were
so kind and she felt this relief because she did
not go into debt and as time went by she
did find this meaningful, artsy piece that was a physical
link to her relationship with her doc.
Speaker 3: That's wonderful, it's sweet. Oh yeah, it's a beautiful story. Yeah, well,
it's just so wonderful. You know, animals share our lives,
where partners in life, and so we should be partners
in the process so passing out of life. And you know,
if they were in the wild, they would go sit
under the tree and be lunch for a coyote, you know,
and you know they can't do that when they're sharing
lives with us, and so we need to be the
best partners we can be through every stage, but especially
in the stage when it's time to go. So it's
been wonderful to talk with you, Liz Murdoch, and people
can find you and do sessions. Book sessions with you
at Talking Withthdogs dot com, Talking Withthdogs dot com, or
you can visit her YouTube channel, Talking with the dogs.
So it's been just delightful. I think we're going to
have to do this again because this is just so
much fun.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. It's an important topic.
Speaker 3: Yes it is, and thank you for doing the good
work that you're doing.
Speaker 2: My pleasure. We'll say aloha for now.
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