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Speaker 1: This is Pet Life Radio.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk pets.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Human Animal Connection Show, where we believe

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we can communicate with all animals. Join us as we

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explore the thirty three principles and healing methods of the

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Human Animal Connection. As animal lovers, we know that you

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share our commitment to making the world a kinder place

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for all creatures. Together, let's embrace the transformative healing power

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of the Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. I'm

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so happy that you're here with us today because I

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have a really delightful guest. Her name is Liz Murdoch,

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and she's an intuitive guide and a founder of Talking

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with Dogs, so she has a lot to draw upon

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in terms of her personal and professional experience. She's experienced

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loss on many ways, including the loss of her daughter Grace,

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and in the last two years two of our own dog,

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so she's really very well equipped to help people who

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are going through one of the hardest moments in life,

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which is of course, saying goodbye to a beloved pet.

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And we're going to talk today about how to know

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if it's time, and more importantly, to let the animal

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know it's okay to go. So thank you Liz for

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being with us.

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Speaker 2: Oh good to be here. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I know you've been doing animal communication for a

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long time and in many cases you're dealing with people

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who are at this phase. You know, they love their

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animals so much and it's the coming to the end

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or at the end. And I know you've had many

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conversations with animals, and I want to hear some. I

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know you've got many, many stories, but we want to

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look at animals who tell you yes, I'm ready, and

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animals will tell you no, I'm not ready, and kind

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of so people can understand what that process is how

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to be better prepared for it. So I know there

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was a story about a black lab named Missy, and

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let's hear what she has to say when you talk

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with her.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So first of all, I changed the names because

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I don't have releases from everyone. Sure, no problem, I've

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done that. But Missy came to me as a dog

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her dog mom, who's very much the dog mom, in

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a panic because it was her dog's time. And this

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was last October. Actually, I called to check in on her.

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We have worked together and I rarely do that, but

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I had this nudge I just how's it going? And anyway,

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so she was in tears. It was my dog's time.

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She's not doing well. I go, oh, she's not eating.

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I knew that. So we had several sessions and we

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texted back and forth, and I was convinced it was

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not the dog's time. But I can't just say that

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as an animal communicator, I need to give evidence of

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what I'm getting. And so I said, well, she wants

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her bowl lifted. Her water bowl do you know what

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that means? And she said, yes, actually I do. You've

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said that before and I don't remember often clients I

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start fresh. So I said, oh, well, she really wants

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it raised, so she raised the water bowl. The dog

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hadn't been eating or drinking, not drinking very much, and

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so she raised the water bowl, which led to drinking

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a lot more water, which led to mobility improving, which

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led to being hungry. And she sent me lab records

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where the vets say, you're not going to believe this,

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but all because the animal said I want my water

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bowl lifted, this dog is still alive, having her best life.

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So that's not the case for all dogs, and some

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are right, But that's why I think this is so important.

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That dog was not ready. She gave a very specific

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detail on what she wanted and it changed everything for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is so important. I mean, can you imagine

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if that person and you had not been able to talk,

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or she had wondered did I do everything?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: And of course that always come to play, you know,

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did I do everything? And maybe there is something that

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not in all cases, but in some cases it could

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be something simple that makes a huge difference. So that's

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a beautiful story. Thank you for doing that. That's wonderful.

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Let's do it ready. I know there was a dog

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dashound Milo but wants some alone time with each family member,

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so he's ready to go. But tell us what happened

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when you asked the question are you ready to go?

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your questions down so you can refer to them as necessary.

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I'm going to let the animals go first. So these

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were people I had never worked with, and we do

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of than wanted to be seen other than I'll say

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the host, the one who made the appointment. She came

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on and off. So I'm looking at Milo and I go, oh,

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you don't feel well. What do you want? And I

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heard him say I want to be propped up. He

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was uncomfortable and adjust the blanket. So he did that,

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and I didn't know that they had it scheduled, which

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I later found out for later that afternoon. So I said,

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he wants that, and then I think they jumped in

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right away because they were so grief stricken with anticipatory grief.

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I know he wants to be propped up, so they

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did that immediately. I said, oh my, I'm glad you

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feel better. Your family wants to know what is it

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that you really want in this time? And he said,

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I want I'm ready to go. I just need alone

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time with each person. And I was like oh, and

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I didn't know how many people, but there were a

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handful of family members behind the the computer listening, and

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I said, oh, tell me more about that. He goes,

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I want alone time with each person. I need to

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be alone. I'm like okay. So then they asked questions, well,

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is he okay because we have it scheduled for today,

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and I said, Milu, he goes, yes, I know about that,

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but I need to be alone. He kept saying that

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no's we sort of wrapped it up early because they

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felt that that was what they wanted to do. And

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she wrote me a long letter saying afterwards he described

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picnic tables that he wanted and he described his life

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so that they knew that I was getting information that

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made sense from him. I think that's really important. So

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I described many things about their family time. So she

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wrote back and she said that by the end of

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their alone time that each person had, he had shifted

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and was looking at them differently with a connection, and

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she felt that he was looking at her, and they

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had a very meaningful goodbye and release and they were

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in a different place because they had that bucket list time,

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which not every dog or family that's what they get

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in their sessions. But this family, that time made them

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all align.

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Speaker 3: That's so beautiful to have the energy aligned and to

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have everybody feel ready. And you know, sometimes it doesn't

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mean you have to go to you know, to Paris

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for a week or something like that. Maybe it's just

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like a little moment of looking into each other's eyes

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and saying how much you love each other, and just

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the mere fact of everybody being ready, everybody being on

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the same page, because sometimes what happens on the human

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side is maybe one member of the family recognizes its

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time and another one doesn't. And you know this can

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be confusing for the animal, right, yeah, yes, yes, yeah, wow, okay,

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all right, So a not ready story about a black

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cat name Maestro that said, oh, this was exactly the

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one I was just saying, spouse is not aligned and

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they had different opinions. So how did how did what

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happened with your conversation with Maestro?

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Speaker 2: So Maestro was a cat I've known for many, many years,

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and so I got a phone call. It was late

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at night. It was a friend and she said it's

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we think it's time. And I immediately heard Maestro, with

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this ornery voice, go we, And I go, oh, well,

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who's the we? And she was what the vets said?

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learned that a vets can say that, but they don't

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necessarily mean right this minute, you know, but people hear

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that and she needs start thinking about it. But that's

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she heard. Should we go tonight at eleven o'clock and

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I think nine when we were talking and I said, well,

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he's saying, we where your husband? And she goes, he's

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in the other room. He doesn't think it's time. And

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I said, okay, I'm going to ask maestro. So came Astro,

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what do you say he got about this? And he

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said it would be a disaster if I left, they

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would be fighting. This is not good. I can't leave

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them like this. And that's a common thing that comes up,

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as I can't leave either the one person or a group.

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he's pretty meaning the spouse. He's pretty adamant it's not

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time because he looks good, and it can be deceiving.

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dogs was eating right before, but he had so many

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other signs and symptoms that for us it was time. Yeah.

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So I said, okay, well, let's ask him what he wants,

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and she goes, okay. I go, well, first of all,

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he wants the two of you to talk about this, okay,

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about how what you both think. And second of all,

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he says he actually wouldn't mind some more time. Outside

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in the sun and he says, you can care carrying

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my bed out there, and he gave these details that

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she said, yes, we did that, and I said, well,

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that's what he wants, and that's something that more than

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a few animals want, is more time in the sunshine.

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I let leave people alone. And so she surfaces a

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few days later and said, well he still She sends

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a picture of this cat f lounging in this she

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says he's eating and great, keep keep up the good work.

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my place, right. I hear from her again, Maestro has

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now passed. They were in unison. It was they were

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very grateful for the for the circumstances around the last day,

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in the final moments, and how it transpired. Yeah, you know, yeah,

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sometimes she's just so different.

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to be on life support or something crazy. But sometimes

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it's just a little bit of completion time. I think

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there's a cycle on the human side, cycle on the

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animal side. And if we have time, I definitely want

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to hear more about how you have what you've understood

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from animals. I know you've gone through dealing with personal

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loss yourself and with your daughter, but what the animals

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have to say about the whole process. So okay, so

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let's do another story before we go to the break.

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Sasha was ready to go and she was sitting in

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the rocking chair downstairs. What happened was Sasha and was

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Sasha darker cat?

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Speaker 2: Sasha was a cat again. It's someone who I did

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not know. Sometimes people just book a session and it's

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just like hi, and I'm like, who are we talking to?

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all I could see was this woman's hand because a

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lot of people don't want to be on a zoom

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screen because it's schnol, which is fine. So I see

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this hand in this cat and how and the cat

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did not look good? And I'm like, Hi, Sasha again,

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I made up name, but Hi, I'm Liz. I want

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to know what you want. How are you feeling I'm

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not feeling good? And I go, oh, but there's somebody

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else who's not here. I can hold on and you know,

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it's not about keeping an animal alive or going to suit.

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there's details that they can get through another couple hours

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or days that you do work with your vet to

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manage pain and everything, that's important for sure. So anyway,

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this cat was ready but said I can't go yet,

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but I want to go downstairs. And I said, are

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you upstairs because I feel these stairs and she wants

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to go downstairs. There's a rocking chair. I could see it.

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their animal. So I said, she just wants to go

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in this rocking chair and she goes, oh, she's it's

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with my daughter there, but my daughter's not home. And

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I have meds I can give her. I said, well,

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you need to make sure to keep her comfortable. And

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she goes, yeah, the vet had said, and often you

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know it's about fine tuning it with the vet. Oh,

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the vet said, you could give more, so go ahead.

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heard from her. The next day. The daughter came home,

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Sasha was downstairs and actually passed peacefully in their walking chair.

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can make the passing be as suitable to the animal

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as they wish, and you know, we have some idea

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of what it should be like or whatever, but they

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from the animal what it is that they want, you know,

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in the chair that was the comfort place, and it's

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so beautiful, really beautiful story, really beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're going to take a short little break. When

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you've learned about how animals understand death, how they feel

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Speaker 3: That's when I said this could be the ticket.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to The Human Animal Connection. I'm your host,

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Genie Joseph, the executive director of the Human Animal Connection,

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and I'm speaking with Liz Murdoch. And she has a wonderful, wonderful,

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just wonderful stories about her Talking with the Dogs. That's

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her the name of her organization, and you can also

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find her at that website. We'll give that website at

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the end also, but it's Talking Withthdogs dot com. So, Liz,

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I was just wondering if you could give us a

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little bit of insight about you know, we humans, we

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get pretty worked up about death. It's pretty hard stuff

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for us. What if you learn from the animals about

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how them. Of course, every animal is different. I don't

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mean to say all animals just think the same thing,

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feel the same thing. But in general, what have you

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noticed about how animals relate to death?

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Speaker 2: They're pretty much about the body and a lot of

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the animals I've worked with have died at a senior age,

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but some of them were younger. And it's usually about

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the body. It's always about the body. It's like, my

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body's not working. It's about leaving the body, and often

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their their spirit. The voice that I hear is very

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strong and it's very reassuring, and it's they know it's

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about my body's not working, and they're they're okay with

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that is the common common thread.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So do they have a sense that they will

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continue in some way either in consciousness or is a soul?

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my body's not working, which they're not, not to their preference,

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but they're not that concerned because tell well, I don't

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want to put words in your mouth. What have you noticed?

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a pain in the net kind of thing. It's like

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can't do that. So they have their personalities that come

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through while they're alive, and I can say they're like, ah,

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what you know? But that was then you know that

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they sort of are like I used to be able

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to run, but that's not working out so well. I've

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had that, or I love you so much, I don't

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want you to worry my experience in terms of where

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they go, which I think you're sort of getting at

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what they say. It's more like you'll understand one day.

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I very much have had that, and in all my

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work and experience that we will understand one day, And

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they're more about that, like you'll be okay, I don't

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want to see you suffer there. And again, these are

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clients who have come to me, so it's a unique

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pool of people who have made this a priority to

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have me talk to their pets. So it's a cool

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see their people suffer with the agony. Some dogs have

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died and their people weren't there, and they feel this

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guilt like, oh, you're supposed to be there. Well, it

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didn't work out that way. And the animals give them

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details like you would have hated it, You would not

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have liked what you would have witnessed, right right, right,

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So they they want to give specific detail more in

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my work about the circumstances of their end of life

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than giving away secrets because we wouldn't understand it, and

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we would twist it. And again that's my experience over

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and over that there. None of them have said I'm

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in a puppy yard with all my friends. I've had

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them describe. Actually most people don't ask, but we'll say,

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who is he with one dog? I said, he's not

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with anybody. I don't see that, and she goes, yeah,

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he didn't know anyone who died. And I was like, oh, well,

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good thing. I just said what I got, And yeah,

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I go, I don't see him with anyone. I see this.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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and so they are more matter of fact about the

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circumstances of their passing. They will say things about the

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person after who they've left, like your dog says, you

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can put the pillows back on the bed. They put

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the pillows back on the bed, and it turns out

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they weren't making the bed there. It meant something to them,

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right right, right, Yeah, So it's usually about the circumstances

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to help the people or have you Do you have

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a sense that they're not afraid in general of passing

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the process of passing.

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but well, how do they feel about death? Do they

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do they know it's coming? Do they face it with

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equanimity and acceptance? So is there fear? Have you seen

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animals be afraid?

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I mean I witnessed there. We have feral cats on

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my street and they ate in to my house and

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I alerted the people who were the ones who the

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feeders and the caretakers and the trappers, and I said,

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what's going on? They want help? And so that was

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but it was very, very sick, and it was hard

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to catch this cat, but they did. And afterwards the

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other one came back to me after it had happened

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with sort of a sign. So that was a hard

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one for me to process because I witnessed something and

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it had more to do, I think, with how the

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person was handling because he was feral cat. This cat,

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but he went very quick and he could he was

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very ill us So that was the only time I

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will say that my own dog, Teddy and I did this.

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I talked about this on my podcast. He was very sick,

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he wasn't eating, he gave me the look. He would

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not even drink water that last day. He looked at

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me like, why would I bother. Doctor Kevin came to

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our house and I had said to him, I don't

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want to let you in, but I know I have to.

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So doctor Kevin walks in and Teddy, who hadn't moved

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all day from his bed, after he plopped down, I go, Teddy,

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this is doctor Kevin. He's here to help you. And

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Teddy got up and walked over to doctor Kevin and

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lay down in his feet and we were all like,

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oh my gosh. And it's like he knew it. And

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he laid down exactly the way the vet wanted him.

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In fact, he didn't need a preparation that Teddy allowed

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him to move him. Teddy went so quickly that before

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doctor Kevin even started, I thought, is he still alive? So, yeah,

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dogs are amazing. Yeah, we were all wide eyed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So they seem to know. They seem to know

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it's time, and they don't seem to be particularly scared

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about the process of dying in the way that maybe

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humans would experience it. And they seem ready I guess, well,

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when they are ready, obviously they're not always ready. So,

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I mean, you have stories where the animals tell you

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that they're not ready. But in most cases, what would

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you say is the percentage, let's say, of one hundred,

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I'll just pick a number one hundred sessions dealing with

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this issue. How often do you get ready? How often

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you get not ready? I know it's just anecdotically, but yes, so.

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Speaker 2: I would say most of the time they're not ready

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because they want the people to be mindfully aware of logistics. Okay,

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of whether it's a few hours like the dog talked

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about already, or a couple days to help the people

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for the most part.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's mostly mostly about human readiness, making sure

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that the humans have as easy a process was it

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as possible, whatever the human factors are.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, However, there are the dogs like Missy who

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wanted the water bowl raised, and I have a lot

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of k I have another dog like that that's still

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alive since December, and that dog wanted something. So that's

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why it's important for the people to listen to what

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they know and ground yourself and get calmers. It's hard

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or get support from someone to walk through this time.

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So you're not like can't breathe I mean right, I was.

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When we were offered it with Teddy, I was like, okay,

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thinking and the two of the people with me said no,

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he needs to come home for tonight.

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there was a dog named Billy who was an example

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of not right. Tell us the story of Billy. He

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was not ready. I mean, yes, oh, Billy.

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Speaker 2: I've had over thirty sessions with this. With Billy, so

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he died. He came to me over time when we

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discussed treatment options. He was a big dog with some

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health issues, and he actually died on a operating table

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and then he came back and the Dodgers were freaked

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out and they like this hardly ever happens, especially with

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the big dog. And so his dog mom called and

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I said, he wasn't ready. He wasn't going to do

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it without you. He was not going to go. So

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she brought him home and it was again, when should

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we do this. She had house guests who were saying,

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this is awful. You need to let him go, and

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she didn't feel right, and I said, well, who do

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you want to listen to? Do you want to listen

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to yourself or do you want to listen to these

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people who are here for the weekend. And she goes,

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I just know it's not right. I go, well, this

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is between you and your dog, and so I supported

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her and she goes, can we have another session? So

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we did, and she said I think we're getting closer.

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Can you ask him? And I said yeah, sure, So

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I said what do he goes? She needs to decide

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where and she said, well, I don't know, and I said, well,

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she goes ask him. I said, he goes, he wants

475
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,160
to do outside under the tree. She goes, there is

476
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,920
no tree. I said, he says there is, it's out front.

477
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,119
She goes, there's no tree. So she's arguing with me,

478
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,759
and I keep going back to the dog and I'm like,

479
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,599
what is it that you want? He describes this tree,

480
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,880
She says there's no tree. She goes to the backyard.

481
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,720
She's showing me trees and I said, well, it's sort

482
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,160
of like that tree, but that's not right. And I

483
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,920
hear the dog say, ask your husband. He's the dog

484
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,000
said the husband's name who I've never met the husband,

485
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:58,839
but I knew his name. Ask your husband. So She's like, Okay,

486
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:03,680
are you sure not this tree? I'm sure. So next

487
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,079
thing I know, she's booked another session and we have

488
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,640
a session and she's crying and I'm like, oh my gosh.

489
00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:12,519
She go, he's gone. I go, oh, I go, okay,

490
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:16,359
how are you? She goes, I'm okay, she goes, I go,

491
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,640
where did you do this? She said, Well, I asked

492
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,839
my husband and he sat out front under the tree.

493
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:24,799
And that dog was so specific, and it turned out

494
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,839
I'm going to cry, you know. It turned out that

495
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,680
the tree was outside her office window. She'd never noticed it,

496
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:33,519
so that when she sits in her office she can

497
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:37,240
now look at this tree in a very meaningful way.

498
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,200
So that dog was clearly not ready when he died

499
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,359
on the operating table and came back, and it was

500
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,960
a process, but when he did go, and this is

501
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,359
why I like to help people trust these kind of messages,

502
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,599
is because it became so meaningful to her, and people say,

503
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,920
I have this odd sense of peace. Even though I

504
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,400
hate this, I know it was right. And I mean

505
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:05,960
she loves her train in oriole. That's now there.

506
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's beautiful.

507
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: I know.

508
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:10,319
Speaker 3: Sometimes you know, as an animal, chaplain when they have

509
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,359
the opportunity to be at the time close to passing,

510
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,160
you know, whether that's veterinary, it's just a passing or whatever.

511
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:20,920
And I'll ask the animal, is there some communication link

512
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,880
or a sign that you would like to use so

513
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,799
that when the person knows, well, when that feather blows in,

514
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:28,920
that's just not a feather blowing in, that's my dog

515
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,319
or whatever. And is it very beautiful when we can

516
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,000
get that. We don't always have that opportunity, but it's

517
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:36,759
a wonderful thing because sometimes people are like, is it

518
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,039
a sign or isn't it? Well, okay, yeah, that's a sign.

519
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: He told you that would be the sign.

520
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:45,359
Speaker 3: Right, that's beautiful. That's beautiful. Okay, well, I know we

521
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,480
have time. I think for one more story about baby.

522
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,880
Can you tell us a story about baby?

523
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: This was a dog again, I never met them. It

524
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,319
was urgent. Can you know I've got this decision to make.

525
00:28:56,519 --> 00:29:00,559
I'm not ready? And I said, well, who? She says

526
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,920
that this dog that know that you're concerned about the

527
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,839
money because there are different fees and you have someone

528
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,039
come to the home and she goes she's concerned about

529
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,839
the money, and which rarely comes up and a lot

530
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:14,880
of people. And this woman too is like, oh, I

531
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,079
don't care. I can all find the money. And I said,

532
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:21,200
she does not want you to spend a lot of

533
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,359
money on this, and she said, but I want to

534
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,440
do it here at home, and she goes, no, she's

535
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:30,440
adamant you are not to spend money that you don't have.

536
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:32,559
If you were to get the money, she'd rather you

537
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,359
buy it. And I had this image of like a candle,

538
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,680
something artsy kind of candle. He says, it's way more

539
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,319
important that you buy some kind of candle. I describe

540
00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:44,920
something and she goes, okay, Well, I don't know where

541
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,960
to do it. She's got different options and availability, and

542
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,240
that's a big thing for people in pre planning is

543
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,839
to find out who's available to support you. So I'm

544
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,200
sweating and thinking about this. So this dog said, you

545
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,880
need to be with some one really kind where you

546
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,079
feel comfortable. And I said, I see a door, like

547
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,960
going in a back door. She says, I know which

548
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,839
location that is. She had been thinking about two different

549
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:14,960
options and I said, kind, loving, and not a lot

550
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,559
of money. Use whatever money you have or that you're

551
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,640
going to get to something for us. Okay, So she

552
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,799
so Anyway, we end our session and she's feeling better

553
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,079
but still wobbly. Lets me know that they did go

554
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,799
to the place with the back door, that people were

555
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,480
so kind and she felt this relief because she did

556
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,400
not go into debt and as time went by she

557
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:45,759
did find this meaningful, artsy piece that was a physical

558
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,279
link to her relationship with her doc.

559
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: That's wonderful, it's sweet. Oh yeah, it's a beautiful story. Yeah, well,

560
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:57,079
it's just so wonderful. You know, animals share our lives,

561
00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:59,400
where partners in life, and so we should be partners

562
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,000
in the process so passing out of life. And you know,

563
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:04,000
if they were in the wild, they would go sit

564
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:06,279
under the tree and be lunch for a coyote, you know,

565
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:09,480
and you know they can't do that when they're sharing

566
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:12,079
lives with us, and so we need to be the

567
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:15,480
best partners we can be through every stage, but especially

568
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,000
in the stage when it's time to go. So it's

569
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,000
been wonderful to talk with you, Liz Murdoch, and people

570
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,480
can find you and do sessions. Book sessions with you

571
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:30,160
at Talking Withthdogs dot com, Talking Withthdogs dot com, or

572
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,440
you can visit her YouTube channel, Talking with the dogs.

573
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,880
So it's been just delightful. I think we're going to

574
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,640
have to do this again because this is just so

575
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,240
much fun.

576
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. It's an important topic.

577
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: Yes it is, and thank you for doing the good

578
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:45,440
work that you're doing.

579
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,119
Speaker 2: My pleasure. We'll say aloha for now.

580
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581
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