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<v Speaker 1>Ask not what your country can do for you, ask

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<v Speaker 1>what you can do for your country. Mister Gorbachev, tear

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<v Speaker 1>down this wall.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the Ricochet Podcast with Stephen Yward and Charles C. W. Cook.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm James Lylyax. Today we talked to Robert Bryce about energy,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's ever seve a podcast moment.

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<v Speaker 1>For the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Supply has already been restored in several territories in the

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<v Speaker 3>north and south of the peninsula thanks to the interconnections

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<v Speaker 3>with France and Morocco countries, to which I would also

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<v Speaker 3>like to thank for their solidarity.

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<v Speaker 2>At this time.

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<v Speaker 3>Combined cycles and hydroelectric plants have also been reactivated throughout

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<v Speaker 3>the country, something that should allow us to recover supply

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<v Speaker 3>throughout Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome everybody. This is the Ricochet Pond Gust number seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty nine. I'm James Lilacs in Minneapolis, where

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<v Speaker 2>it appears to be trending towards precipitation this afternoon in

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<v Speaker 2>meteorological terms, or gosh, looks like rain. You bet, you're sure. See.

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<v Speaker 2>I can code talk just like Tim won't say. I

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<v Speaker 2>can switch with ease between the various ways of communicating

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<v Speaker 2>with people that's why they chose me here for the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm joined by other great choices, those being Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Hereward and Journals C. W. Cook. Gentlemen, Hello, Hello, Hi James.

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<v Speaker 2>How are things where you are? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Things are just fine out here on the left coast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's foggy and cloudy, as it has been all week,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least we're not facing rain. And I saw

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<v Speaker 1>some weather map. There's some weird weather phenomenon that has

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<v Speaker 1>you guys up, and I don't know, it just all

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<v Speaker 1>looks very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, earlier, earlier this week, there was some it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a fist, like a boxing glove, that was heading

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<v Speaker 2>straight toward us. We were warned that there would be hail.

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<v Speaker 2>We were warned there was a twenty percent chance of

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<v Speaker 2>tornadoes here in the city. We had missed, I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>just gentle not even qualifying as drizzle. And Charles, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>is in subtropical Florida, which I assume is starting to

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<v Speaker 2>get into its humid season. But politically speaking, we are,

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<v Speaker 2>of course here to discuss a variety of other wonderful things.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do we begin to tell the sweet love story? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say it's been a couple of weeks some immigration news,

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<v Speaker 2>although that story seems to have been muted somewhat. There

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<v Speaker 2>was the arrest of the Wisconsin judge for facilitating the

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<v Speaker 2>escape of somebody out the back door, which really needed

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a smoking in the bandit banjo, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>country western kind of caper music soundtrack. There was the

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<v Speaker 2>gentleman who was ordered released from federal immigration custody on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>The Columbia activist Colleen No one seems to be talking

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<v Speaker 2>much about Maryland Dad anymore. So is this just a

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<v Speaker 2>function of the media pipelines in which I am being

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<v Speaker 2>shot through? Or is the vibe shifted to elsewhere? And

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<v Speaker 2>if so, what is the current terror? The current panic?

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<v Speaker 2>You guys, tell me what you think.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, there's a third of judicial development this week,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a federal judge in Texas, a Trump appointee,

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<v Speaker 1>it should be noted, who barred further deportations under the

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<v Speaker 1>Alien Enemies Act of what seventeen ninety seven or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it was, And so that's going to slow things up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little puzzled by that, not because it's a

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<v Speaker 1>Trump judge, but only on the broader constitutional grounds that

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<v Speaker 1>I think determining what constitutes a threat to America and

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<v Speaker 1>whether that satisfies the terms of the statute of invasion

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<v Speaker 1>or I forget the actual terms in the law, but

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<v Speaker 1>seems to me that's an executive determination entirely within the

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<v Speaker 1>Commander in chief powers, and not a judicial one.

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<v Speaker 2>But I could be wrong. As they say, Charles, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you believe is the basis for that?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this is a difficult one because the practice, as

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<v Speaker 4>Steve implies, of the judicial branch for a long time,

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<v Speaker 4>has been not to make that sort of determination, that is,

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<v Speaker 4>to leave the factual questions to the political branches and

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<v Speaker 4>deem them non justiceiable. But it doesn't have to in

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<v Speaker 4>the sense that there is enough elastic within our system

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<v Speaker 4>that if a court is reviewing a statute, and the

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<v Speaker 4>Alien Enemies Act is a statute, it is empowered under

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<v Speaker 4>Marbury to say what that statute means, thereby to make

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<v Speaker 4>some factual determinations along the way. So I was also

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<v Speaker 4>surprised by this, not because I necessarily disagreed with the conclusion,

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<v Speaker 4>or because I'm necessarily against courts making some factual determinations,

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<v Speaker 4>but just because.

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<v Speaker 2>They normally don't.

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<v Speaker 4>And it wasn't even the Supreme Court doing it, which

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<v Speaker 4>would have been interesting. This was a judge at the

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<v Speaker 4>beginning of the food chain, so not outraged by it,

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<v Speaker 4>but that did surprise me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Explain to people if you can exactly how it happens

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<v Speaker 2>that a Texas judge just pops up with something like

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<v Speaker 2>the government is doing. Did the judge get up in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning and say, you know, this is really nagging

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<v Speaker 2>at me. I'm gonna call the press conference. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>bang my gavel down. Or does somebody does somebody have

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<v Speaker 2>to go around and say we need to we need

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<v Speaker 2>to find a judge to do this, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they start going through the rolodex and saying, well, here's

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<v Speaker 2>one in Texas, you know, go and give her a call.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how does that work?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you have to follow the bouncing ball several weeks

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<v Speaker 1>back to when I forget which level appeals court it

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<v Speaker 1>might have been, it was a Supreme Court ultimately that said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't a person in Texas and Louisiana file with

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<v Speaker 1>a district judge in Washington, d C. To get relief

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<v Speaker 1>and do process. You have to file where you're being held,

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<v Speaker 1>which was Texas. So I think this case follows the

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<v Speaker 1>process more correctly that it's brought in the venue where

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are eligible or you know, on the

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<v Speaker 1>docket for deep rotation actually are residing at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just that simple. I think the your

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<v Speaker 1>other question you raised, James, though, James, is uh, why

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<v Speaker 1>have we forgotten suddenly about Maryland Man? Well, more and more,

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<v Speaker 1>more and more data is coming out, including some uh

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<v Speaker 1>uh you police, uh video camera footage of a traffic stop,

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<v Speaker 1>and and more documents about how this guy had been a.

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<v Speaker 2>Wife beater and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, And all of a sudden, even Democrats are saying,

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<v Speaker 1>is that Hakeem Jefferies, the Democratic House leader, told his

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<v Speaker 1>caucus no more trips to l Salvador.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they realized that.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is out smarter than once again by getting them

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<v Speaker 1>to defend a person who's not very appealing, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>leave aside the you know, the the various legal issues

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<v Speaker 1>which you're serious. But I think Trump and his people thought,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, if we're stubborn, uh, we're gonna win this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think they probably are.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally, uh, the guy Badawi who has released

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<v Speaker 1>the Columbia graduate student. Well, it turns out there's some

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<v Speaker 1>affidavits from ten years ago where he says directly, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to kill Jews. That seems fairly cut and dry.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I gotta find it. There's writing, Charlie Love.

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<v Speaker 1>You know there is a I looked this up once

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<v Speaker 1>and I should find it again because it's it's gristed

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<v Speaker 1>for you, James. It's the visa application form to visit

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, and it has these ludicrous questions in

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<v Speaker 1>it that include things like, and this is pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>for memory, do you seek to enter the United States

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<v Speaker 1>for purposes of terrorism?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever used to say?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been a member of the Nazi Party

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<v Speaker 1>or any other group that advocates genocide? And of course

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<v Speaker 1>you can see so yes, I'm for genocide. I'm here

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<v Speaker 1>to do And but finally you get to the end

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<v Speaker 1>of this. Charlie's laughing. You've probably seen these. You get

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of this and it says a yes

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<v Speaker 1>answer to any of the preceding question does not automatically

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<v Speaker 1>disqualify you from receiving a visa. But if you've answered yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you may want to schedule a visit to the local

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<v Speaker 1>consulate for an interview. So here's guy who, in an

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<v Speaker 1>affidavit said I want to kill Jews, and we're still gee.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if the Trump administration is, you know, persecuting

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<v Speaker 1>some guy for free speech. I don't think let's.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get this guy in here to tease out the

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<v Speaker 2>nuances of what he does sitting down. Okay, So, so

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<v Speaker 2>is this a statement that you want to kill Jews?

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<v Speaker 2>Is a blanket way, a modus operende, a modus vivende.

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<v Speaker 2>Shall we say, or are there specific Jews in certain

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<v Speaker 2>situations that you're talking about? And of course the person

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<v Speaker 2>would say, well, of course it's specific Jews in certain situations.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be the Zionist element if they're a non Zionist.

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<v Speaker 4>To understand that. In the original Arabic kill is more

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<v Speaker 4>akin to say, wrestle with right.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly a ba right. It's a spiritual contest. So yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course what we're going to hear again and

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<v Speaker 2>again and again is that the desire to deport this

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<v Speaker 2>guy who wants to kill Jews is proof that we

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<v Speaker 2>are living under a Nazi regime. I mean, there's absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to switch between those two concepts is remarkable

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<v Speaker 2>and almost unnotable at this point. So, yeah, he is

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<v Speaker 2>not the best you know example, maybe perhaps for them

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<v Speaker 2>to show. But then again, you know, when they're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the guy Maryland Dad being accused of being a

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<v Speaker 2>wife beater or human drafficking or the rest of it,

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<v Speaker 2>people will say, and probably correctly, and Charles can expand

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<v Speaker 2>on this, that it's not so much. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he's a bad guy doesn't mean that he

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<v Speaker 2>should be sent to El Salvador, or when specifically the

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<v Speaker 2>arguments or the documents that he should not be sent

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<v Speaker 5>But that seems to be.

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<v Speaker 2>One of those little legal technicalities that make people shrug

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<v Speaker 2>about that. I care not a whit what counts as

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<v Speaker 2>getting the guy out because he's bad and he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be here, and that's how you sort of

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<v Speaker 2>lose the specific ad adherence to the rule of law.

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<v Speaker 4>They'll say, yes, that's true, and I have some time

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<v Speaker 4>for that. The problem is that democrats can't help themselves

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<v Speaker 4>but make the wrong arguments here. So I am a

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<v Speaker 4>classical liberal, and I am, on some of these questions

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<v Speaker 4>much more of a squish than many conservatives. But the

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<v Speaker 4>argument that the classical liberal squish must make is as follows.

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<v Speaker 4>There are lots of very bad people, but our law

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<v Speaker 4>requires us to treat them in a certain way. If,

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<v Speaker 4>for example, you go back through all of the cases

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<v Speaker 4>that we now know habitually as Americans, Miranda, for example,

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<v Speaker 4>and you look at the people after whom they are named,

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<v Speaker 4>they are invariably terrible, terrible sorts. They are rapists and

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<v Speaker 4>pedophiles and serial killers, and are guilty of assault and

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<v Speaker 4>bank robbery and so forth. And the argument ought to

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<v Speaker 4>be okay, but they still get due process. Okay, but

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<v Speaker 4>they still get a trial. Okay, But that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 4>you could talk to them or what you are. That

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<v Speaker 4>is the argument that I believe in, and I will

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<v Speaker 4>make till I'm blue in the face. Most recently, in

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<v Speaker 4>the case of Rahemi was assumed pre caught decision on

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<v Speaker 4>the question of Second Amendment rights. Rahimi was a terrible,

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<v Speaker 4>terrible man, But the question at stake was are you

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<v Speaker 4>allowed to remove somebody's Second Amendment rights without a court decision? Not?

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<v Speaker 6>Do you like Rahimi.

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<v Speaker 4>The problem that Democrats have jensis that they can't help

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<v Speaker 4>turn around and they say, well, it shouldn't matter. Agreed,

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<v Speaker 4>it shouldn't matter. But you put these people on the

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<v Speaker 4>five years during the George Floyd hysteria, they did it

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<v Speaker 4>every single time there was a police shooting. The argument wasn't, well,

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<v Speaker 6>He was a wonderful human being.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a giant.

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<v Speaker 4>And you look at what they'd done, and they'd been caught,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's built in nineteen sixty. It's built into the

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<v Speaker 2>da DNA of nineteen sixties radicalism, where you've allorized the

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<v Speaker 2>perfect example. But I love the idea, as you noticed,

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<v Speaker 2>that bad people may produce laws that are court decisions

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<v Speaker 2>that are necessary and safeguard the rights of all. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>the basement under the stairs and bodies therein and took

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<v Speaker 2>it to the Supreme Court and won, I would not

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<v Speaker 2>want to be a lawyer who said, well, under John

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<v Speaker 2>Wayne Gacy v. Chicago v. Cicero Police, my client not

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<v Speaker 2>being convicted. I would be saying, could you find another

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<v Speaker 2>case that isn't gaycy maybe to back me up. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's that, and there's also as long as we're

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<v Speaker 2>in the history or on the topic of people who

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<v Speaker 2>are just having a problem with Zionists, not Jews Zionists,

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<v Speaker 2>mind you, Harvard has issued some statements about what's been

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<v Speaker 2>going on at that August institution, and those of us

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<v Speaker 2>who believe these to be final Glass's ivy colored palaces

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<v Speaker 2>in which the Western values are transmitted to a hungry

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<v Speaker 2>new generation, maybe a tad surprised, Steve, Have you taken

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<v Speaker 2>a look at the recent report on campus anti semitism

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<v Speaker 2>at Harvard?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 6>Have i?

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<v Speaker 2>Ever?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's three hundred over three hundred pages long,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't read every word of the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that's too infuriating to do because it's example after

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<v Speaker 1>example of complete moral failure on the part of Harvard.

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<v Speaker 1>The irony is, Oh, by the way, as we are

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<v Speaker 1>sitting down to record here Friday morning, Trump has put

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<v Speaker 1>out a social media post saying he is going to

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<v Speaker 1>strip Harvard of its tax exempt staff and point does

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<v Speaker 1>that warm my cockles for this Friday? And I think

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<v Speaker 1>they originally deserve it, and we'll leave aside the legalities

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<v Speaker 1>and precedents for that, which I think are pretty strong.

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<v Speaker 1>But the irony here is that the current leadership of Harvard,

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<v Speaker 1>Alan Garber, the president, and especially the provost John Manning,

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<v Speaker 1>they're as close as you're going to get to a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of centered with some people with conservative sympathies as

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<v Speaker 1>you're ever going to get at an Ivy League school.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, John Manning was dean of Harvard Law for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, he was a clerk for Scalia. He's known

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<v Speaker 1>to be a Federal Society participant. Now he seemed kind

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<v Speaker 1>of weak to me. But on the other hand, on

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<v Speaker 1>the relative scale, he and Garber are. You know the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the Harvard Water Trustee said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to stop the identity politics and getting and

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<v Speaker 1>get back to having some white guys in charge who

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<v Speaker 1>know what they're doing, so they'd like to clean things up.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got all the usual constraints of a faculty that

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<v Speaker 1>was able to show Larry Summers the door twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>ago for making one comment about women that went against

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<v Speaker 1>the orthodoxy.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, they got a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot on their hands, and it's too bad that they're

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<v Speaker 1>taking the heat that the university deserves for decades of mouthfeasance.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean, among other things, some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things they describe and report, and kudos for putting it

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<v Speaker 1>out and not sugarcoating it, although they say in the

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<v Speaker 1>opening statement, we worry that this essentially what they say

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<v Speaker 1>is We're worried this report is going to give Trump

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<v Speaker 1>ammunition against us, but we have to put it out anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So good for them.

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<v Speaker 1>But they have a story after story testimony from students

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<v Speaker 1>of the treatment of Jews on campus that if it

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<v Speaker 1>was any other minority group would be front page news

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<v Speaker 1>for weeks and weeks, and calls if it was a

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic president calls for stripping that institution of tax exempt

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<v Speaker 1>status for its blatant civil rights violation. So they richly

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<v Speaker 1>deserve what is happening to them, and I want more.

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<v Speaker 2>I know your cagos are warmed, but I am still

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<v Speaker 2>hung up on that whole legality thing, the whole means

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<v Speaker 2>by which they could The president could do this with

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<v Speaker 2>a stroke of the pen or call of the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or using the phone phone and dependent, as another man said,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't just say yay, I like this, do it,

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<v Speaker 2>but he can't. Oh, but do it. I mean, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see. Well, hold on a second. I mean this

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<v Speaker 2>is worth I don't know, So that's why I'm asking,

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not going to say. It seems to me

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<v Speaker 2>that the legalities are very very important.

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<v Speaker 5>Part of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, I think it's actually pretty strong. Just the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seconds on this, which is when the Bob Jones

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<v Speaker 1>case came down in the eighties. And remember the Reagan

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<v Speaker 1>administration said, we don't think the IRS has the authority

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<v Speaker 1>to strip the tax exempt status. That's for the Justice

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<v Speaker 1>Department Civil Rights Division to look at, not the IRS.

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<v Speaker 1>The Supreme Court said, no, the IRS gets to and

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<v Speaker 1>then the Rega administration said, fine, but just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>limit their federal funding that was part of it, or

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<v Speaker 1>eligibility just to the programs that are discriminatory. And the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats said no, we want to be able to punish

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<v Speaker 1>the entire universe for any lapse in any department of

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights law, and they passed a statute over Reagan's

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<v Speaker 1>veto to do that. That's why I say, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the legal basis here is very strong, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to make the left live by their own

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<v Speaker 1>rules and the brand.

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<v Speaker 4>Charlette, well, I agree with half of that in that

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<v Speaker 4>I think we need to make the left live by

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<v Speaker 4>their own rules. And this has been an annoying feature

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<v Speaker 4>of civil rights enforcement in general now for years. The

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<v Speaker 4>left has never explained why it took a different position

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<v Speaker 4>in Bob Jones and it's now taking.

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<v Speaker 6>In relation to Harvard.

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<v Speaker 4>I would like to see a universal enforcement of the

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<v Speaker 4>rules in the other direction. That is to say, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't mind that Harvard has an exemption, but I don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to live in a country in which Harvard gets

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<v Speaker 4>its exemption, but people that the left dislikes don't. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'm half or maybe more than half with Steve. I

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<v Speaker 4>prefer that we have had a classically liberal order in

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<v Speaker 4>which we could have tax exempt institutions that were all

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<v Speaker 4>treated the same. But until we get that, this is

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<v Speaker 4>the sort of threat or possibly execution that we are

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<v Speaker 4>going to need. And that really is one of the

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<v Speaker 4>stories of the last four or five years. It's been

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<v Speaker 4>a big story here in Florida with DeSantis approach, where

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<v Speaker 4>he has shepherded through and signed a bunch of laws that,

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<v Speaker 4>for example, say that you're not allowed to run workplace

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<v Speaker 4>trainings that imply that white people are a problem. And

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<v Speaker 4>when he's done that, people have said, oh, my goodness,

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<v Speaker 4>is this government overreach. I thought you wanted small government,

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<v Speaker 4>or I thought you were against this. Well, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 4>not against it if it only runs in one direction.

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<v Speaker 4>If you are allowed, as some middle manager at Unilever

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<v Speaker 4>to be forced to attend a session in which you

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<v Speaker 4>were told that you are awful, then the government is

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<v Speaker 4>allowed to step in and say, now, that's against the

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<v Speaker 4>equal protection of the laws and existing civil rights statute.

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<v Speaker 4>So I have no issue with Trump doing this, but

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<v Speaker 4>I would rather have a system in which no one

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<v Speaker 4>did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know this is twice now. You refer to

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<v Speaker 2>we thank Luwin for sponsoring this the Ricochet Podcast, And

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<v Speaker 2>now we welcome to the podcast. Robert bryce So writer public

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<v Speaker 2>speaker who's concentrated on energy Policy's the author of five

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<v Speaker 2>books on the subject, including Pipe Dreams, Greed, Ego, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Death of Enron, and most recently A Question of Power,

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<v Speaker 2>Electricity and the Wealth of Nations. You can find his

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<v Speaker 2>work at Robert Bryce dot substack dot com. I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>that link at ricochet dot com. Robert welcome, hi all,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me. You know, Spain touted, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure of course you knew where we're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>with this one hundred percent renewable energy. Look at us,

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<v Speaker 2>Look at us. We're no longer burning those liquefied dinosaurs.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have those nasty, you know, smoke stacks belching out.

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<v Speaker 2>We are clean and we are green, and days later

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<v Speaker 2>in the dark. Now, I've been reading an awful lot

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<v Speaker 2>about what happened, and the minute that I started reading

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<v Speaker 2>people who seem to know what they're talking about, it

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<v Speaker 2>vaults into an area of expertise and technical details about

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<v Speaker 2>grid and balance and deviations and the rest of It's

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<v Speaker 2>very complex for people to figure out. What they do

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<v Speaker 2>know is that Spain went dark. Portugal too, what happened, Well, it.

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<v Speaker 7>Was only fifty five million people who are so it's

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<v Speaker 7>not that not that big of a deal. And yes,

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<v Speaker 7>you're right. I mean the timing of this was pretty rich.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it was eight days before the blackout or so.

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<v Speaker 7>The Spanish government was bragging, Oh, for a few minutes,

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<v Speaker 7>we were one hundred percent renewable. Well, what's that old

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<v Speaker 7>mine about pride goeth before the fall. But this is

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<v Speaker 7>just a simple result, a very obvious result, rather of

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<v Speaker 7>bad energy policy. And the socialist government under the Prime

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<v Speaker 7>Minister of Pedro Sanchez, has made net zero their target.

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<v Speaker 7>They have pushed hard for for wind and solar energy.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't call them renewables, it's alt energy, alternative energy.

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<v Speaker 7>And the short answer is why did this happen? Well,

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<v Speaker 7>you fragilize the grid by adding these what are called

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<v Speaker 7>asynchronous forms of generation or wind and solar don't add

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<v Speaker 7>the kind of oomph you call it grid inertia to

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<v Speaker 7>the grid, and so the grid becomes less less stable.

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<v Speaker 7>And there was a small some it appears to be

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<v Speaker 7>some kind of falter interruption or disturbance on the grid,

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<v Speaker 7>and the wind and solar capacity couldn't respond and flatten

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<v Speaker 7>out that that disturbance, and so the system tripped and

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<v Speaker 7>grid went down.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, fragilized is a word I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I've encountered before, and I now love it, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to incorporate that into a.

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<v Speaker 5>Merry body be my guest, my compliments.

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<v Speaker 2>Secondly, a lot of people in the green side were

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<v Speaker 2>saying after this, well, what this proves is that we

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<v Speaker 2>just need better battery technology that when you lose from this,

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<v Speaker 2>where they can just power up the batteries and they

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<v Speaker 2>sort of imagine that there's these large, ever ready copper

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<v Speaker 2>tops sitting around somewhere that they can just plug right in.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we go further into this, how I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>know Elon Musk and the rest of the guys are

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<v Speaker 2>keen on battery technology, but how good are we getting.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we getting anything to the point where we can

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<v Speaker 2>actually maintain the base currency that is needed to keep

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<v Speaker 2>these systems online.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think it's important before we talk about batteries

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<v Speaker 7>just to put this in context about what's happening in Spain.

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<v Speaker 7>So just at the moment of the collapse, more than

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<v Speaker 7>is about sixty percent of all the electricity on the

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<v Speaker 7>Spanish grid was coming from wind and solar. But remember

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<v Speaker 7>this Spanish government is aiming to have eighty one percent

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<v Speaker 7>renewables by twenty thirty and they're also aiming to shudder

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<v Speaker 7>all of their nuclear plants by twenty thirty five, and

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<v Speaker 7>those nuclear plants provide twenty percent of the power in

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<v Speaker 7>Spain today. So I'm just finishing an article for Substack

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<v Speaker 7>on this right now. But that you know, this is

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<v Speaker 7>just a recipe for disaster. Whether they try and add

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<v Speaker 7>batteries and do so quickly, we'll have to see. But

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<v Speaker 7>there are all these other costs that they're going to

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<v Speaker 7>have to ladle on top of the existing costs on

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<v Speaker 7>the grid in order to accommodate this, all this intermittent generation.

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<v Speaker 7>So you know, this is just a glimpse of what

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<v Speaker 7>could happen if Spain continues with this terrible energy policy.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the King behind this? Only because I want to

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<v Speaker 2>say the pain in Spain falls mostly on his rain? Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done, I'm done.

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<v Speaker 5>I's done, really bad, really bad.

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<v Speaker 7>Ton I will say, I have no idea about the

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<v Speaker 7>king and don't really care about kings.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>My variation of what James said a couple of minutes ago,

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<v Speaker 1>with your use of fragilized is being out here in California,

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<v Speaker 1>were at the cutting edge of a lot of this nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>With apologies to Mary Poppins, it seems to me you

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<v Speaker 1>can say Spain and others are super cowy fragilizing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's even worse, right, Charlie Cook, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you can.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean it's a low bar these guys, so please

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<v Speaker 7>chime in.

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<v Speaker 4>I have an actual, actual question, not a Mary Poppins.

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<v Speaker 6>So this is of course me being a typical right

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<v Speaker 6>wing mini.

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<v Speaker 4>But I really like nuclear power, and maybe you'll correct me,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe I'm wrong, but I was given to understand that France,

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<v Speaker 4>which is next to Spain, is really heavily invested in

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<v Speaker 4>nuclear power, has been since the fifties, and in America,

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<v Speaker 4>nuclear power has become more and more popular if you

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<v Speaker 4>look at opinion polls. I'm sure people will bulk a

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<v Speaker 4>little when they told the station will be built in

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<v Speaker 4>their backyard, but as a general matter, it's increased in popularity.

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<v Speaker 4>But you just said Spain is getting rid of it's

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<v Speaker 4>nuclear power. Can you talk me through that decision? Because

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<v Speaker 4>Spain's next to France, surely they can see it works.

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<v Speaker 4>So what is it that level of environmental isn't that

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<v Speaker 4>they can't even stomach that?

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<v Speaker 7>You know, Charlie, I'd say I just correct you. It's

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<v Speaker 7>not environmentalism, it's ideology. And I mean, there's just no

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<v Speaker 7>cure for I mean, you're a brit Look at the Brits.

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<v Speaker 7>They're following Germany's example of driving their economies straight into

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<v Speaker 7>the ditch with this, I mean, frankly just idiotic energy policy,

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<v Speaker 7>anti nuclear, anti hydrocarbon, claiming that they can run their

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<v Speaker 7>systems on wind and solar and batteries and unicorn farts alone,

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<v Speaker 7>and it just doesn't work. And there was a great quote,

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<v Speaker 7>in fact, it just came down in l pais today,

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<v Speaker 7>the English version, and it was a quote and this,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, it's interesting you point out there is the

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<v Speaker 7>you know, Conservatives, Republicans tend to be more pro nuclear,

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<v Speaker 7>and Democrats and particularly the US Democratic Party has been

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<v Speaker 7>anti nuclear for fifty years. Now that's changing some a

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<v Speaker 7>little bit. But anyway, here's the key quote. It was

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<v Speaker 7>from Alberto Nunez Feju, who's the leader of the People's

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<v Speaker 7>Party and Conservative Party pro nuclear People's Party in Spain,

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<v Speaker 7>said that he was talking about what happened and he said,

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<v Speaker 7>our energy system is being managed with an enormous ideological bias.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think that's exactly right. You know, you need

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<v Speaker 7>engineers to run the grid, not ideologues, and that unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 7>that's what we're seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>They really got.

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<v Speaker 1>Started with their nuclear building program in the late seventies

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<v Speaker 1>after the first energy crisis, and I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>three quarters of their fleet they have now was built

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties when we built none, or I think

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<v Speaker 1>we finished maybe two long running projects were finished in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties, one of them Diablo Canyon that I live near.

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<v Speaker 1>I did ask a Frenchman once, a libertarian guy who

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<v Speaker 1>Max Falk was his name, and I said, how did

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<v Speaker 1>you guys build all this nuclear power when we stopped?

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, oh, it's very simple.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, he says, in France, our communists supported nuclear power,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas in your country, your communists opposed it. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds about right, and you had more to that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to do this, Robert, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to this grid question for a moment, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, most Americans, and I'm one of them to

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<v Speaker 1>some extent, have a simple minded view that, well, electricity,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes from you know, power plants and wind and solar,

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<v Speaker 1>and isn't it great? And we just throw it on

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<v Speaker 1>wires and it comes into our house and we turn

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<v Speaker 1>on our lights. And I try to explain the grid

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<v Speaker 1>in simple terms as well. Think of it as something

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<v Speaker 1>like your garden hose. It's got to be filled with

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<v Speaker 1>water and has to have adequate pressure to keep the

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<v Speaker 1>water moving. But I think that's not quite adequate. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you do you know a minute of grid one oh

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<v Speaker 1>one so that you know, a five year old can

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<v Speaker 1>understand it because we keep hearing these terms like you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's got to be at fifty hurtz and you

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<v Speaker 1>know this and that, and your eyes glaze over really fast.

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<v Speaker 1>But it turns out to be the key part of

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<v Speaker 1>the story more than generation.

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<v Speaker 7>I think, yeah, well, and that's the way even engineers,

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<v Speaker 7>because electricity is it's complicated, I mean just everything about

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<v Speaker 7>the grid and it's it's this massive machine with all

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<v Speaker 7>these different parts and it's amazing it all works, I

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<v Speaker 7>mean just incredible. And the electricity phenomenon itself is difficult

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<v Speaker 7>to understand. But nevertheless, your idea about water is the

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<v Speaker 7>right analogy, and engineers even do this to compare it

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<v Speaker 7>to water. The difference between your garden hose example, is

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<v Speaker 7>that say you're you know, you're filling your swimming pool,

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<v Speaker 7>and I've been to your house the Olympic sized swimming

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<v Speaker 7>pool in your case, say you put your garden hose

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<v Speaker 7>in there and the pressure in the hose drops a

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<v Speaker 7>little bit, well, it just takes you a little longer

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<v Speaker 7>to fill the hoe, fill the pool, or take a shower,

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<v Speaker 7>wash the dishes or whatever, because that difference in water

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<v Speaker 7>flow doesn't matter very much ultimately to you as a

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<v Speaker 7>cut consumer. The electric grid works differently in that that

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<v Speaker 7>pressure and the water flow has to be constant and

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<v Speaker 7>has to maintain in the US at sixty hertz, in

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<v Speaker 7>the Europe fifty hertz. It has to be maintained around

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<v Speaker 7>that frequency or and if that frequency varies too much,

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<v Speaker 7>the system shuts down. And that's what we saw in Spain,

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<v Speaker 7>this slight change in frequency, a sub frequency drop or

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<v Speaker 7>a surge. And because of that lack of pressure. Think

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<v Speaker 7>of the power generation systems in general. Have our water

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<v Speaker 7>pumps or electricity pumps, and they operate at very high pressure. Well,

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<v Speaker 7>wind and solar don't provide that same pressure that you

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<v Speaker 7>get from nuclear plants and gas fired power plants, hydro plants,

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<v Speaker 7>et cetera, and so they don't provide that Inertia is

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<v Speaker 7>the term of art that keeps that pressure and frequency

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<v Speaker 7>at the same at the exact same level and it's clear.

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<v Speaker 7>And the piece that I'm writing is saying, yes, we

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<v Speaker 7>can blame solar for the blackouts.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's go back to batteries for a minute, as

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<v Speaker 1>James brought that up. And so it's one thing to have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Tesla power wall in your house, which

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<v Speaker 1>can I guess if you get a couple of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and depending on your power needs, can run your house

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<v Speaker 1>overnight if the power goes out. But these good storage

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<v Speaker 1>batteries we're talking about, that would be you know the

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<v Speaker 1>size of a small house and you need what thirty

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<v Speaker 1>of them or something for a small town. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've seen some figures from you and others that

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't last very long. Oh and that leave us

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe you want to talk about this too, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's asking too much. The supply chain requirements to

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<v Speaker 1>build all those batteries are massive, and if we're doing

632
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<v Speaker 1>it to save greenhouse gas emissions, it's not even clear

633
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<v Speaker 1>it's net plus for that accounting game, right, So the

634
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<v Speaker 1>battery fantasy is really I think my opinion and it'll stop,

635
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<v Speaker 1>is it's a way to keep solar and wind power

636
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<v Speaker 1>viable quote unquote for the greenies who are made religion

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<v Speaker 1>out of pushing it so hard.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure. Well, a couple of quick thoughts.

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<v Speaker 7>One is I'm starting to come around to some of

640
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<v Speaker 7>the battery storage, like here in Texas. You know, they

641
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.519
<v Speaker 7>can be valuable for peak peak shaving right when the

642
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.759
<v Speaker 7>demand is very high. So I'm coming around to some

643
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<v Speaker 7>of their utility in terms of overall grid management. However,

644
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<v Speaker 7>what we saw in Spain is that the power went

645
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<v Speaker 7>out for twelve fifteen sixteen. I don't know how many

646
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<v Speaker 7>hours it berries on the region. There are no batteries

647
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<v Speaker 7>that are going to last all day. They're generally meant

648
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<v Speaker 7>for about four hours. To other quick points, one is

649
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<v Speaker 7>that the battery supply chain is almost completely dependent on China,

650
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<v Speaker 7>and you know China. China is not our friend. I

651
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<v Speaker 7>think we can all agree on this, but I think

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<v Speaker 7>I'd like to just steer the conversation just a little

653
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<v Speaker 7>bit if I could. On the other issue in Spain,

654
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<v Speaker 7>and you know, Charles, you know from the UK, it's

655
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<v Speaker 7>all across Europe. Land use conflicts around renewable energy projects,

656
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<v Speaker 7>whether it's a wind or solar or high voltage transmission.

657
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<v Speaker 7>I've documented them here in the US, and the renewable

658
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<v Speaker 7>rejection database. It's on my website. I've also started the

659
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<v Speaker 7>Global renewable rejection database now at one hundred and three

660
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<v Speaker 7>and of those rejections in Ireland, Scotland, in the UK

661
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<v Speaker 7>just this year, just since January first, there have been

662
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<v Speaker 7>twenty three rejections. Well, look at what's happening in Spain.

663
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<v Speaker 7>Just In and Bloomberg reported on this. I'm just finishing

664
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<v Speaker 7>this piece was Reuter's reported on a storm of lawsuits

665
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<v Speaker 7>against wind energy projects in Galicia. In February, officials in

666
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<v Speaker 7>Tora Vieja stopped the construction of the solar project for

667
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<v Speaker 7>a desil plant in Galicia. They've implemented a new rule

668
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<v Speaker 7>on wind projects in that area. So what you know,

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<v Speaker 7>This idea that Spain is going to get to eighty

670
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<v Speaker 7>percent renewals is just hogwashed. They're never going to be

671
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<v Speaker 7>able to do it because they don't have enough land.

672
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<v Speaker 7>And that's the same the thing that is hindering a

673
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<v Speaker 7>hamstring will always hamstring wind and solar projects is they're

674
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<v Speaker 7>just the amount of land they require is just cartoonish.

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<v Speaker 4>On that, I have another nuclear power question. Sure again,

676
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<v Speaker 4>correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember

677
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<v Speaker 4>reading that with nuclear power. Once it's on, you know

678
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<v Speaker 4>exactly how much power you're getting out of it per generator, right,

679
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<v Speaker 4>because there's no variability of the input. So given that

680
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<v Speaker 4>we know that, how many nuclear stations, and accounting for geography,

681
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<v Speaker 4>because I understand how much energy you lose over distance,

682
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<v Speaker 4>how many would we need realistically to completely nuclearize the

683
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<v Speaker 4>United States?

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<v Speaker 5>Huh? Okay, Well let me just do some back into them. Okay.

685
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<v Speaker 7>So Spain gets about twenty percent of its power from

686
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<v Speaker 7>nuclear plants. It has five plants. In the US, we

687
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<v Speaker 7>have ninety some odd nuclear plants. Some of them are

688
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<v Speaker 7>twin reactors, some of them I think Palo Verde has four.

689
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:13.800
<v Speaker 7>In any case, we get about roughly twenty percent from

690
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<v Speaker 7>let's call it one hundred, So we'd need four hundred

691
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:20.239
<v Speaker 7>more to meet be one hundred percent nuclear power in

692
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<v Speaker 7>the US and something like that.

693
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<v Speaker 5>Right.

694
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<v Speaker 7>So I'm with you, Charles. I'm adamantly pro nuclear. Ive

695
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<v Speaker 7>been saying the same thing for fifteen years. If we're

696
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<v Speaker 7>serious about decarbonization, serious about reducing CO two emissions and

697
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<v Speaker 7>sparing land, which is what I'm in favor of. I'm

698
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<v Speaker 7>a point watcher, I'm a bad, bad enthusiast landscape enthusiast

699
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<v Speaker 7>hiker natural. As for nuclear preserved, they have high power density,

700
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<v Speaker 7>which is key. But let we have to be very

701
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<v Speaker 7>sober about where nuclear is in the United States. It's

702
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.159
<v Speaker 7>the rollout is going to be slow, and I wish

703
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<v Speaker 7>if I had one wish for the Trump administration, get

704
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:56.960
<v Speaker 7>on it, man, get on it. We have to solve

705
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.360
<v Speaker 7>the capital, the fuel, the regulation, and the waste problem.

706
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:01.079
<v Speaker 7>We got to get on it right away.

707
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Nixon wanted a thousand plants. That was one of the reaction. No,

708
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<v Speaker 2>he did, he absolutely did, and it would have provided

709
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:09.800
<v Speaker 2>like something like two hundred percent of the projected power

710
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<v Speaker 2>and it would have been great. Of course, the Left

711
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:13.360
<v Speaker 2>would have spent a great deal of time shutting them

712
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<v Speaker 2>down because they made Bruce Springsteen unhappy.

713
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<v Speaker 5>But here's Jackson Brown.

714
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<v Speaker 2>Don't forget Jackson Brown and everybody else who required undependable

715
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:23.679
<v Speaker 2>energy sources to do their concerts.

716
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<v Speaker 5>But here's the thing.

717
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yes, there is something I suppose that stirs

718
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<v Speaker 2>the heart of the European breast when they see a windmill.

719
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<v Speaker 2>I know that when I go to England and we're

720
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<v Speaker 2>driving around Sussex and we come around it. We always

721
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.480
<v Speaker 2>come around a bend and there's It always startles me

722
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 2>to see these dark satanic blades just slowly moving. And

723
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 2>some people see these enormous structures as signs of hope,

724
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:49.119
<v Speaker 2>when I think, you know, you don't have to dodg

725
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:51.119
<v Speaker 2>your countryside with these things everywhere, You don't have to

726
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 2>have shiny walls of mirrors. You can build a nuke.

727
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.920
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing you mentioned before, an ideological attachment

728
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<v Speaker 2>to these things. And I don't think that anybody believes that, well,

729
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.719
<v Speaker 2>maybe I do. There's the notion of de growth, that

730
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<v Speaker 2>if that there's something wrong about the fact that Western

731
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<v Speaker 2>society continues to grow and invent and spread, and that

732
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<v Speaker 2>this is some sort of cancerous fungus on the planet

733
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<v Speaker 2>on Guia's face, and what we ought to do is

734
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<v Speaker 2>to be less and less and less. And there's something

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<v Speaker 2>about the unstanding ability of nuclear power to provide this

736
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<v Speaker 2>that they don't like because it suggests abundance. And I

737
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>know that's sort of a complicated psychological take on it,

738
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<v Speaker 2>but I think that's part of it. I think that

739
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<v Speaker 2>if you say this grid is less dependable, what they

740
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<v Speaker 2>will say is you're going to you will adapt, You'll

741
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:43.920
<v Speaker 2>be fine. If the power isn't on between one and two,

742
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:47.320
<v Speaker 2>will all be better for it? If the power goes

743
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<v Speaker 2>down to fifty percent? Ten? Am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 5>Well where to start? You've made a.

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<v Speaker 7>Lot of points there, I think in the seventy and

746
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<v Speaker 7>you know, I'm going to be sixty five this year,

747
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:04.039
<v Speaker 7>so I'm not quite as old as Steve Hayward. No

748
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 7>it is, but I'm you know, getting I'm getting older.

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<v Speaker 7>But you know, in the sixties and seventies, the anti

750
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<v Speaker 7>nuclear movement was really propelled by this kind of anti

751
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<v Speaker 7>nuclear weapon view, right, that the conflation of nuclear energy

752
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:25.599
<v Speaker 7>with nuclear weaponry was really the main thing. Right, So

753
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 7>that's kind of changed over time, and now the ardent

754
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.360
<v Speaker 7>nuclear opponents are saying, oh, we can't deal with the waste,

755
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:33.800
<v Speaker 7>and you know it's too long lived. But but it's

756
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:36.400
<v Speaker 7>all this has just been the ideology of the left

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00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.360
<v Speaker 7>in America really since the sixties and particularly after the

758
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.320
<v Speaker 7>end of the Cold War. You know that nuclear energy

759
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.400
<v Speaker 7>is bad and that that alt energy renewables are good,

760
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.480
<v Speaker 7>regardless of whether you know the intermittency or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 7>I'll quote Jesse Osibel, a friend of mine who has

762
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<v Speaker 7>influenced my thinking on this greatly. He said, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>wind and solar may be renewable, but they are not green.

764
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<v Speaker 7>And I think that's just such a great summation of that.

765
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<v Speaker 7>And that's why one of the reasons why I'm so

766
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<v Speaker 7>pro nuclear is a small footprint and power density. High

767
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:09.159
<v Speaker 7>power density is key. It is green, and that is

768
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<v Speaker 7>something where the I think this environmental betrayal by the

769
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:15.559
<v Speaker 7>left in favor of offshore wind, which I cannot stand,

770
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:20.559
<v Speaker 7>is just this incredible betrayal of the environment. But you know,

771
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<v Speaker 7>I think it's all just motivated by money, and the

772
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.800
<v Speaker 7>NGOs are allied with big banks, big law firms and

773
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<v Speaker 7>big business to promote this wind and solar. I think

774
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<v Speaker 7>it's just that simple.

775
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.119
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, Billy Bob Thornton has a speech

776
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<v Speaker 2>and Landman that addressed the very greenish yeah, talking about

777
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<v Speaker 2>it and as they love to debunk it, I love

778
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<v Speaker 2>to listen to it. Steven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Actually, Robert, do your three keys to thinking about energy? Briefly?

780
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<v Speaker 1>I use them for my students, and I got them

781
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<v Speaker 1>from you.

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00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, you know, the density, cost, and scale.

783
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<v Speaker 1>If you need to prompt.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, Yeah, Well, it's it's what I call the four imperatives.

785
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:54.639
<v Speaker 7>And I'm in my fourth book power Hungry, power density,

786
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.280
<v Speaker 7>energy density, cost and scale. So why are our energy

787
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<v Speaker 7>systems why have they developed the way they have over

788
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<v Speaker 7>the past, you know, two centuries really in the in

789
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<v Speaker 7>the in the since in the beginning of the industrial age. Well,

790
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<v Speaker 7>it's power density. And what is power density. It's a

791
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<v Speaker 7>measure of energy flow that could be harnessed in a

792
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<v Speaker 7>given area of volume or mass. That's not power and

793
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<v Speaker 7>energy are not the same thing. Power is the ability power.

794
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<v Speaker 7>Energy is the ability to do work. Powers the rate

795
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:20.960
<v Speaker 7>at which work gets done. Okay, so power density is

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<v Speaker 7>a measure of energy flow in a certain time. And

797
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<v Speaker 7>so that's why again going back to nuclear and natural

798
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<v Speaker 7>gas and and even coal mines underground coal mines are

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<v Speaker 7>super high power density. Energy density is the amount of

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<v Speaker 7>energy that's contained in a certain weight or mass or volume.

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<v Speaker 7>So this bottle here has water in it, but if

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<v Speaker 7>it had you know, leaves or sawdust, and it would

803
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<v Speaker 7>have lower energy density than if I fill it with

804
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<v Speaker 7>gasoline or kerosene. And then costs and scale are obvious,

805
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<v Speaker 7>right you know, And so uh these then the lower

806
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<v Speaker 7>one other quick point is the lower the power density,

807
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<v Speaker 7>the higher the resource intensity. And that's what we see

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<v Speaker 7>with corn ethanol, with wind, with solar, they just require

809
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<v Speaker 7>massive amounts of land because they produce very small energy

810
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:07.079
<v Speaker 7>flows from the relative footprint. So it's a you know,

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<v Speaker 7>basic physics, but unfortunately, very very few people understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean what I what I do Robert with students,

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<v Speaker 1>is I show them I use music because I can

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<v Speaker 1>understand this. I show them an old a track tape

815
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<v Speaker 1>which they've never seen, and a cassette tape. By by

816
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<v Speaker 1>the way, you have an old a tract tape of

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<v Speaker 1>electric light orchestra to make it topical. And then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>show them, you know, cassette tape, a record album, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll show them an old iPod or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>well you could you have ten.

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<v Speaker 5>Songs, right, or a little flash drive flash drive.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and that that's an easy way to get the

823
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<v Speaker 1>energy density question across. And then what do you want

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<v Speaker 1>where do you want to get your music from? You know,

825
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<v Speaker 1>a hardboard box full of eight tracks with fifty songs,

826
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<v Speaker 1>or your little device that's not even a square ranch

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<v Speaker 1>that has a thousand songs and they understand that.

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<v Speaker 7>So you can play that eight track in your vintage

829
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<v Speaker 7>firebird their right right, that's the image that comes to people.

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<v Speaker 2>We let you go, Robert. Then one related question that

831
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<v Speaker 2>brings us all together. What is the gauge on the

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<v Speaker 2>top east ring on that stratocaster hanging on the wall.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's E, right, it's E.

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<v Speaker 2>But use a nine gauge, ten gauge eleven.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh gosh, I think those are ten gauge strings. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>I'm a perennial beginner when it comes to the to

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<v Speaker 7>the guitar, but I have a I think I worked

838
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<v Speaker 7>too much to play all the time. But yes, but

839
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<v Speaker 7>I love my guitar collection.

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<v Speaker 2>But nine is great for soloing because you can really

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<v Speaker 2>bend that baby. I always found the elevens would just

842
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.000
<v Speaker 2>pop like crazy. They would, they would even and you

843
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:38.599
<v Speaker 2>Miami bar takes it out of tune, and then you've

844
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:40.480
<v Speaker 2>got to even bend it even more than it snaps,

845
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:42.719
<v Speaker 2>which is why I actually it's more of a Gibson man,

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00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.719
<v Speaker 2>even though I love my strat Well, next time, practice

847
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more. You can play us out. But

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<v Speaker 2>for the moment, we're going to tell everybody that a necessary, important,

849
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:53.800
<v Speaker 2>and incredibly relevant book to our times today is a

850
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:58.039
<v Speaker 2>question of power electricity and the wealth of nations. Robert Bryce,

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00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.000
<v Speaker 2>thanks for joining us today. Fascinating. Could have done another

852
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.639
<v Speaker 2>hour and someday soon I hope that we will. Robert,

853
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:04.280
<v Speaker 2>see you later.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks y'all.

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00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.760
<v Speaker 2>So Charles, I believe that you had something you didn't

856
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.719
<v Speaker 2>want to burden the fellow with an anecdte. No I

857
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:15.320
<v Speaker 2>us burden us if you will.

858
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:19.679
<v Speaker 4>So fay globalist elite that I am. I just came

859
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:24.719
<v Speaker 4>back from France. I spent a lovely ten days and

860
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:29.880
<v Speaker 4>we drove across much of the country and my favorite

861
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:35.559
<v Speaker 4>wine regions were on our schedule. And one of the

862
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:38.000
<v Speaker 4>things that I saw that I just would not have

863
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.760
<v Speaker 4>seen on my many trips to Front's as a kid.

864
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:44.920
<v Speaker 4>Also driving trips with these wind farms that are everywhere.

865
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:48.320
<v Speaker 4>Now you see them in this beautiful countryside, but it's

866
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:53.039
<v Speaker 4>marred by all these horrible War of the World style machines.

867
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:58.360
<v Speaker 4>But here's a funny little insight into what people really think.

868
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:02.519
<v Speaker 4>Spit of wine torn Burgundy, and between where we were

869
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.039
<v Speaker 4>staying and the vineyards, there are all.

870
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:10.800
<v Speaker 6>These wind farms. And I said to the lady, I said, why,

871
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.559
<v Speaker 6>why why are they there? You have all this nuclear power.

872
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.199
<v Speaker 4>This is just vanity, right, and she felt a bit defensive,

873
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:18.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, so I said, no, no, no, they are fine.

874
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:21.280
<v Speaker 6>They do not look too bad. We have these these

875
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.280
<v Speaker 6>bring electricity to the villages. They are fine, you know.

876
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:25.159
<v Speaker 6>We drive on a little bit.

877
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.159
<v Speaker 4>Eventually we end up near Bone in Burgundy, a middle

878
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 4>all the vineyards, and I said to her, you know,

879
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:32.760
<v Speaker 4>I noticed.

880
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.119
<v Speaker 6>There aren't any windmills here, and she said, have those

881
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:37.480
<v Speaker 6>things near the grapes.

882
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:44.719
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what I thought, that somehow the vibration caused

883
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:48.280
<v Speaker 2>by these things would somehow affect the tanning gas and somebody.

884
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Speaker 6>Now I get it, I get it.

885
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 4>People put these things in different places, but it's like

886
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:53.639
<v Speaker 4>when they're ruining a beautiful landscape. She was like, no,

887
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:55.599
<v Speaker 4>they're beautiful, while you said, you feel is dying. And

888
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:57.559
<v Speaker 4>then the minute I'm like, well there they aren't near

889
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.519
<v Speaker 4>the grape, She's like, those disgusting tall, mud and swingy things,

890
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:03.159
<v Speaker 4>we kind of put them near the wine.

891
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.760
<v Speaker 6>I just I think that's what they actually think, right.

892
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:07.679
<v Speaker 4>It's like, well, you can always tell what people want

893
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:09.840
<v Speaker 4>when you say let's put it in your backyard.

894
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, well it requires a lot of substances, which

895
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:18.679
<v Speaker 2>is copper, and everybody is complaining here because Trump is

896
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:23.360
<v Speaker 2>threatening to open up areas near our beloved boundary waters

897
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.920
<v Speaker 2>to mining to get copper because there's a lot of

898
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:30.400
<v Speaker 2>copper up here. Because you can't use old copper, recycled copper.

899
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:33.719
<v Speaker 2>You need lots of virgin copper for these things. But

900
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:36.239
<v Speaker 2>somehow we'll have to get it from someplace else. We'll

901
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:39.360
<v Speaker 2>get it from China. Well maybe not the way things

902
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:43.639
<v Speaker 2>are going. We have seen interesting stories this week about

903
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:48.360
<v Speaker 2>reshoring of several things, from electronics to I think Eli

904
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Lilly is committed like five billion dollars or something, don't

905
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:55.280
<v Speaker 2>quote me on building pharmacy complants here, which is great,

906
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:58.119
<v Speaker 2>which is really nice, because I'd like for us to

907
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:01.639
<v Speaker 2>not have to depend on China four that stuff. We

908
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 2>had that spasm in twenty twenty when we're realizing, oh

909
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:06.599
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, we all need masks, we didn't and

910
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.159
<v Speaker 2>China is the only guys who have them, and they

911
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:13.119
<v Speaker 2>did to tie back to electricity, so ied. I saw

912
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.159
<v Speaker 2>an interview with the guy, and I can't vouch for

913
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.719
<v Speaker 2>any of this. I probably shouldn't say it, but he

914
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:20.159
<v Speaker 2>was talking about the fact that we get most of

915
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:25.079
<v Speaker 2>our transformers. It seems from China. And if you were

916
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the Chinese government and you were selling transformers to the

917
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:30.960
<v Speaker 2>grid of a nation for whom you have a certain

918
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.800
<v Speaker 2>amount of antagonism, wouldn't you just build a back door

919
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:36.320
<v Speaker 2>into every single one of them.

920
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.920
<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's one reason why we don't want stuff from

921
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:45.199
<v Speaker 4>Wua Wai on a Internet precisely, person like the British

922
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.400
<v Speaker 4>who decided that that was all fine.

923
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:51.440
<v Speaker 2>It's as if it's xenophobic to somehow say that China

924
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.079
<v Speaker 2>would be installing all sorts of spyware and back doors

925
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:56.599
<v Speaker 2>into their stuff. I mean, it's simple national self interest.

926
00:46:56.840 --> 00:46:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Why wouldn't they, especially when they have a trading partner

927
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.400
<v Speaker 2>like us who's so credule has to believe that they're

928
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:05.360
<v Speaker 2>behaving completely above board. When I mean, I wish I

929
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:08.920
<v Speaker 2>could show you. I have two electric razors. One is

930
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:12.079
<v Speaker 2>by Phillips, the others by some Chinese fly by nine company,

931
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.239
<v Speaker 2>and they are exactly the same. They are precisely the

932
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.840
<v Speaker 2>same in terms of their design, They have everything about

933
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.440
<v Speaker 2>them you can just tell China stole it.

934
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:21.199
<v Speaker 6>Well.

935
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.760
<v Speaker 4>We do expect this, though, James, because we don't allow

936
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:29.599
<v Speaker 4>China to sell us anything that is used in our

937
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:35.840
<v Speaker 4>military equipment, so we do know, yeah, likely to do this.

938
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 4>I mean this is a very very small example. But

939
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:40.719
<v Speaker 4>I am, as you know, a big technod and I've

940
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:44.679
<v Speaker 4>installed all manner of smart devices in my house, most

941
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 4>of which are either proprietorial or I built myself, or

942
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:50.679
<v Speaker 4>are not linked to the cloud or whatever. Well anyway,

943
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:52.639
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of custom code that I have running them.

944
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.760
<v Speaker 4>But I have these two devices in the house that

945
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:56.960
<v Speaker 4>were made in China because there's nowhere else that I

946
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:01.119
<v Speaker 4>can get them. Long story short, and those two devices

947
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:03.920
<v Speaker 4>constantly and of course I've stopped them. They're the only

948
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:06.719
<v Speaker 4>two devices in the whole lot that constantly try to

949
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:08.880
<v Speaker 4>ping China on the network.

950
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:10.960
<v Speaker 2>They're phoning home all the time, phoning home.

951
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:11.320
<v Speaker 6>All the time.

952
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:13.119
<v Speaker 4>So I got rid of them because it's like, I

953
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:15.559
<v Speaker 4>can't have that in my house. I can't people say, oh, wow,

954
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:17.320
<v Speaker 4>you're so paranoid. Do you think they care how often

955
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.639
<v Speaker 4>you open your garage door? I don't know, but I

956
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.159
<v Speaker 4>don't want them knowing that.

957
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:23.360
<v Speaker 5>Who are they pinging?

958
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I mean you can you can get did

959
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:27.639
<v Speaker 2>you use little snitch or did you just look at

960
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:28.559
<v Speaker 2>your logs?

961
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.679
<v Speaker 4>Well, I have a whole server room full of equipment

962
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 4>that runs my network. So I see all of the

963
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.039
<v Speaker 4>packets that go in and out, and I can say, so,

964
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:42.159
<v Speaker 4>who's it trying to I don't know, but it's the manufacturer,

965
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.840
<v Speaker 4>I guess. In Chinese IP addresses, you can't really tell

966
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.079
<v Speaker 4>where they're going inside China because China has this bpeak

967
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:52.280
<v Speaker 4>firewall around the country and it translates everything into subnets.

968
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.199
<v Speaker 6>So I don't know. But it's also just even.

969
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:59.039
<v Speaker 4>If they were pinging Tampa, it would still be different

970
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.239
<v Speaker 4>than everything else on the network. Now of the light

971
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:05.920
<v Speaker 4>switches in my house, I'm trying to ping Amazon websites. Right,

972
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:09.440
<v Speaker 4>It's just these two Chinese made devices. It's fascinating, right.

973
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Pitch them out, pitch them out. Well. Also, we need

974
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.000
<v Speaker 2>rare earth, we need minerals, we need stuff like that,

975
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and as it turns out, Ukraine has got a lot

976
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.559
<v Speaker 2>of them, and including Neon, which I'm very happy about.

977
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:24.760
<v Speaker 2>The fact that we have struck a trade deal with

978
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Ukraine for Neon means that the American Renaissance can possibly

979
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.039
<v Speaker 2>bring back to the downtowns and the drive ins more.

980
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Neon a wonderful American art form. But for all those

981
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:37.039
<v Speaker 2>people who are saying that you know, Trump's is going

982
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.800
<v Speaker 2>to abandon Ukraine. It seems as if struck a deal

983
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:44.559
<v Speaker 2>whereby we get access to the minerals in exchange for security,

984
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:48.760
<v Speaker 2>really and they trust us. What do you think of

985
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:50.159
<v Speaker 2>the deal? Well, wait a minute.

986
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:52.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've thought from the beginning that this was

987
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:56.000
<v Speaker 1>quite a significant idea on several grounds, But the main

988
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:59.199
<v Speaker 1>one is you just mentioned it if the United and

989
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if we're actually taking co ownership, which

990
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:04.960
<v Speaker 1>was one of the original ideas, or whether we're just

991
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.239
<v Speaker 1>going to get favorable terms and be first in line

992
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:11.840
<v Speaker 1>to buy Ukrainian mineral exports. I prefer the former because

993
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.119
<v Speaker 1>then it gives the United States a direct national interest

994
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:21.039
<v Speaker 1>in the survival of Ukraine, and that tells Russia that right,

995
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.599
<v Speaker 1>you're right, Johns. Another guarantee on paper is not worked

996
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:26.920
<v Speaker 1>very much from us, since we didn't follow the previous

997
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:29.159
<v Speaker 1>one from thirty years ago that said give up your

998
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.840
<v Speaker 1>nukes and we'll guarantee your security.

999
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, we didn't live up to that.

1000
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:35.000
<v Speaker 1>So the point is is that now you have a

1001
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.360
<v Speaker 1>real tangible economic interest, it sends a signal to Russia

1002
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:43.039
<v Speaker 1>hands off Ukraine. So I kind of like that people

1003
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.079
<v Speaker 1>all like to say, well, this is Trump being an

1004
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.400
<v Speaker 1>economic imperial I don't know what they're saying, but you know,

1005
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:51.719
<v Speaker 1>it's Trump's deal making. I kind of think it reminds

1006
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:54.679
<v Speaker 1>me a little bit of the len Lease Act back

1007
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:58.840
<v Speaker 1>and len Ley's actions of Roosevelt back on the eve

1008
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:02.119
<v Speaker 1>of World War Two, where because we had constraints in

1009
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the law, the Neutrality Act, we were lending destroyers to

1010
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Britain which were maybe obsolete, but it was a political

1011
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:11.960
<v Speaker 1>statement that was important. But in return, we got some

1012
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.320
<v Speaker 1>British bases in the Caribbean that they weren't likely to

1013
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.440
<v Speaker 1>be needing anytime.

1014
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Soon at the outset of that war.

1015
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:20.679
<v Speaker 1>And so I don't think this is entirely unprecedented or

1016
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:24.400
<v Speaker 1>without any parallels in our past. And I'm rather encouraged

1017
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.920
<v Speaker 1>by it as someone who wants to see Ukraine survive.

1018
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>And I'll just sort of stop there and see what

1019
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Charlie thinks of any of that.

1020
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 6>Well, do you know when the British finally paid off Lendleys.

1021
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the nineteen nineties or something, or two thousand and six.

1022
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:41.119
<v Speaker 2>It, Yes, I knew it was recent.

1023
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:43.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So it's certainly, as you say, not new a

1024
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.039
<v Speaker 4>lot of the coverage of this is implied this is

1025
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:48.119
<v Speaker 4>some monstrous innovation on the parts of the Trump administration,

1026
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:50.960
<v Speaker 4>but it's not. I'm pleased about it for a couple

1027
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:53.480
<v Speaker 4>of reasons. First because its signals that we're going to

1028
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.519
<v Speaker 4>be siting with Ukraine rather than Russia, which we should be.

1029
00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:58.400
<v Speaker 6>And second because I don't.

1030
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 4>See a great problem in them helping us pay them

1031
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.760
<v Speaker 4>to fight Russia. No, I think we should be helping them,

1032
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.079
<v Speaker 4>but there's nothing written in the stars that says we

1033
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:14.119
<v Speaker 4>can't ever get anything in return.

1034
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:16.639
<v Speaker 6>I don't I don't have an issue with it.

1035
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:21.400
<v Speaker 2>No, I agree completely. It was after the Iraq War

1036
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:26.320
<v Speaker 2>and Sodomusine was toppled and they were selling the oil leases,

1037
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:29.320
<v Speaker 2>the oil rights around. I don't believe that the United

1038
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:32.599
<v Speaker 2>States companies came in the top two or three. I

1039
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.679
<v Speaker 2>think it was total Fena and I think it was France.

1040
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:36.320
<v Speaker 2>I think these guys bid us. So, I mean, we

1041
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:38.639
<v Speaker 2>didn't get the oil out of that, and if we had,

1042
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:40.840
<v Speaker 2>it would have been, well, it's blood for oil. No,

1043
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:44.119
<v Speaker 2>we're just ye. So I agree with Charlie. There's there's

1044
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:46.480
<v Speaker 2>no reason that Ukraine can't slip a couple of bucks

1045
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<v Speaker 2>our way and we'll all be together. It just may seem, however,

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<v Speaker 2>when you look back at all the shouting and the

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<v Speaker 2>bluster and the Putin cozening and the rest of it,

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<v Speaker 2>that we saw somebody staking out absurd, irrational position and

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<v Speaker 2>getting people to the table and eventually moving more towards

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<v Speaker 2>the center. I keep being told that that's what's always

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<v Speaker 2>going on, and sometimes I actually kind of sort of

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<v Speaker 2>believe it, credulous soul that I am. Well, Stephen, before

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<v Speaker 2>we go, I believe that you would like to let

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<v Speaker 2>the world know of an absolutely brilliant, pithy Charles able

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<v Speaker 2>to cook tweet. Yeah, that sums it all up.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles wins Twitter for this week. In my mind, at

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<v Speaker 1>least my humble opinion, there was that if you missed this,

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<v Speaker 1>Sir James, a what a squib in the New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times or a quote in the mainstream media saying there's

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<v Speaker 1>a clamoring among Democrats to have Kamala Harris re emerged.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the only leader to speak up against Trump when

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<v Speaker 1>there's clamoring going on. Charles, I had a great laugh

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<v Speaker 1>out of your tweet, which I'll read to our listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>There is not there has in fact, never ever been

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<v Speaker 1>less of a clamoring for anything that is on off

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<v Speaker 1>for In the history of clamoring, no people has ever

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<v Speaker 1>clamored less than the American people are clamoring for Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harrison's voice. She is clamorless. She is a hollow clamorree

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it. And I thought, you know what, were

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<v Speaker 1>you subconsciously channeling John Clees and the Parent Shop about

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<v Speaker 1>the I was wondering was the inspiration?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>That was fabulous, Charles. I envy your your style with

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<v Speaker 1>that one.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow, thank you. I stepped.

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<v Speaker 4>Back to my computer and found that that story and

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<v Speaker 4>I a couldn't believe the claim that was being made,

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<v Speaker 4>but even better, I couldn't believe that the claim had

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<v Speaker 4>been made on background. So she had managed whoever said

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<v Speaker 4>that had managed to get permission to say it anonymously,

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<v Speaker 4>because why why do you need.

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<v Speaker 6>Anonymity to praise your former boss? It was osity bizarre

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<v Speaker 6>whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Is right well? I saw a re emerging a clip

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<v Speaker 2>that was going around where she was referencing some TikTok

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<v Speaker 2>or YouTube video about what elephants at the zoo do

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<v Speaker 2>when there's an earthquake. Apparently they form a circle with

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<v Speaker 2>their butts all together and write it out. And she

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<v Speaker 2>was saying that that's what the Democrats should do. And

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, here's a perfect example of Kamala Harris. She's cackling,

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<v Speaker 2>she's loud, she's beaming, she's rambling on about a video,

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<v Speaker 2>and she is using as a symbol of what the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats ought to do, the literal representation of the Republican icon,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the elephant. And it was in Comarington Sparkley,

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<v Speaker 2>and she didn't explain everything right, but she was just

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<v Speaker 2>going right, you've seen it right, right, like we're all

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<v Speaker 2>still back in Brat's summer, and God help me if

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<v Speaker 2>ever that comes back again. I have only to say, however,

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<v Speaker 2>that if you, by any means, after your lunch, find

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<v Speaker 2>yourself a little bit or breakfast or dinner or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>please rate us. But I am that guy. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>listen to it, more people go to ricochet dot com

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Cook, Stephen Hayward, It's been a pleasure. I'm James

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<v Speaker 2>Lilacs and we'll see everybody in the comments at Ricochet

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<v Speaker 2>four point oh bye bye