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Speaker 1: Ask not what your country can do for you, ask

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what you can do for your country. Mister Gorbachev, tear

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down this wall.

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Speaker 2: It's the Ricochet Podcast with Stephen Yward and Charles C. W. Cook.

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I'm James Lylyax. Today we talked to Robert Bryce about energy,

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so let's ever seve a podcast moment.

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Speaker 1: For the moment.

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Speaker 3: Supply has already been restored in several territories in the

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north and south of the peninsula thanks to the interconnections

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with France and Morocco countries, to which I would also

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like to thank for their solidarity.

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Speaker 2: At this time.

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Speaker 3: Combined cycles and hydroelectric plants have also been reactivated throughout

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the country, something that should allow us to recover supply

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throughout Spain.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. This is the Ricochet Pond Gust number seven

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hundred and thirty nine. I'm James Lilacs in Minneapolis, where

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it appears to be trending towards precipitation this afternoon in

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meteorological terms, or gosh, looks like rain. You bet, you're sure. See.

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I can code talk just like Tim won't say. I

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can switch with ease between the various ways of communicating

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with people that's why they chose me here for the podcast.

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And I'm joined by other great choices, those being Stephen

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Hereward and Journals C. W. Cook. Gentlemen, Hello, Hello, Hi James.

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How are things where you are? Well?

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Speaker 1: Things are just fine out here on the left coast.

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It's foggy and cloudy, as it has been all week,

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but at least we're not facing rain. And I saw

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some weather map. There's some weird weather phenomenon that has

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you guys up, and I don't know, it just all

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looks very strange.

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Speaker 2: Well, earlier, earlier this week, there was some it was

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like a fist, like a boxing glove, that was heading

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straight toward us. We were warned that there would be hail.

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tornadoes here in the city. We had missed, I believe,

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just gentle not even qualifying as drizzle. And Charles, of course,

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is in subtropical Florida, which I assume is starting to

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get into its humid season. But politically speaking, we are,

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of course here to discuss a variety of other wonderful things.

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Where do we begin to tell the sweet love story? Well,

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let's say it's been a couple of weeks some immigration news,

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although that story seems to have been muted somewhat. There

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was the arrest of the Wisconsin judge for facilitating the

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escape of somebody out the back door, which really needed

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sort of a smoking in the bandit banjo, you know,

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country western kind of caper music soundtrack. There was the

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gentleman who was ordered released from federal immigration custody on Wednesday.

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The Columbia activist Colleen No one seems to be talking

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much about Maryland Dad anymore. So is this just a

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function of the media pipelines in which I am being

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shot through? Or is the vibe shifted to elsewhere? And

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if so, what is the current terror? The current panic?

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You guys, tell me what you think.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there's a third of judicial development this week,

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which was a federal judge in Texas, a Trump appointee,

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it should be noted, who barred further deportations under the

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Alien Enemies Act of what seventeen ninety seven or whatever

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it was, And so that's going to slow things up.

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I'm a little puzzled by that, not because it's a

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Trump judge, but only on the broader constitutional grounds that

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I think determining what constitutes a threat to America and

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whether that satisfies the terms of the statute of invasion

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or I forget the actual terms in the law, but

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seems to me that's an executive determination entirely within the

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Commander in chief powers, and not a judicial one.

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Speaker 2: But I could be wrong. As they say, Charles, what

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do you believe is the basis for that?

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Speaker 4: Well, this is a difficult one because the practice, as

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Steve implies, of the judicial branch for a long time,

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has been not to make that sort of determination, that is,

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to leave the factual questions to the political branches and

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deem them non justiceiable. But it doesn't have to in

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the sense that there is enough elastic within our system

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that if a court is reviewing a statute, and the

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Alien Enemies Act is a statute, it is empowered under

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Marbury to say what that statute means, thereby to make

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some factual determinations along the way. So I was also

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surprised by this, not because I necessarily disagreed with the conclusion,

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or because I'm necessarily against courts making some factual determinations,

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but just because.

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Speaker 2: They normally don't.

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't even the Supreme Court doing it, which

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would have been interesting. This was a judge at the

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beginning of the food chain, so not outraged by it,

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but that did surprise me too.

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Speaker 2: Explain to people if you can exactly how it happens

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that a Texas judge just pops up with something like

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this and it has an effect that just stops what

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the government is doing. Did the judge get up in

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the morning and say, you know, this is really nagging

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at me. I'm gonna call the press conference. I'm gonna

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bang my gavel down. Or does somebody does somebody have

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to go around and say we need to we need

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to find a judge to do this, and you know,

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they start going through the rolodex and saying, well, here's

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one in Texas, you know, go and give her a call.

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I mean, how does that work?

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Speaker 1: Well, you have to follow the bouncing ball several weeks

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back to when I forget which level appeals court it

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might have been, it was a Supreme Court ultimately that said, no,

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you can't a person in Texas and Louisiana file with

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a district judge in Washington, d C. To get relief

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and do process. You have to file where you're being held,

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which was Texas. So I think this case follows the

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process more correctly that it's brought in the venue where

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the people who are eligible or you know, on the

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docket for deep rotation actually are residing at the moment.

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I think it's just that simple. I think the your

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other question you raised, James, though, James, is uh, why

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have we forgotten suddenly about Maryland Man? Well, more and more,

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more and more data is coming out, including some uh

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uh you police, uh video camera footage of a traffic stop,

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and and more documents about how this guy had been a.

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Speaker 2: Wife beater and so forth.

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Speaker 1: Uh, And all of a sudden, even Democrats are saying,

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you know, And in fact, the story reported this week

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is that Hakeem Jefferies, the Democratic House leader, told his

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caucus no more trips to l Salvador.

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Speaker 2: I think they realized that.

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Speaker 1: Trump is out smarter than once again by getting them

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to defend a person who's not very appealing, uh, and

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leave aside the you know, the the various legal issues

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which you're serious. But I think Trump and his people thought,

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you know what, if we're stubborn, uh, we're gonna win this.

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Speaker 2: And I think they probably are.

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Speaker 1: And then finally, uh, the guy Badawi who has released

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the Columbia graduate student. Well, it turns out there's some

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affidavits from ten years ago where he says directly, I

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want to kill Jews. That seems fairly cut and dry.

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You know, I gotta find it. There's writing, Charlie Love.

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You know there is a I looked this up once

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and I should find it again because it's it's gristed

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for you, James. It's the visa application form to visit

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the United States, and it has these ludicrous questions in

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it that include things like, and this is pretty close

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for memory, do you seek to enter the United States

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for purposes of terrorism?

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Speaker 2: Have you ever used to say?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been a member of the Nazi Party

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or any other group that advocates genocide? And of course

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you can see so yes, I'm for genocide. I'm here

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to do And but finally you get to the end

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of this. Charlie's laughing. You've probably seen these. You get

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to the end of this and it says a yes

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answer to any of the preceding question does not automatically

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disqualify you from receiving a visa. But if you've answered yes,

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you may want to schedule a visit to the local

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consulate for an interview. So here's guy who, in an

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affidavit said I want to kill Jews, and we're still gee.

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I wonder if the Trump administration is, you know, persecuting

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some guy for free speech. I don't think let's.

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Speaker 2: Let's get this guy in here to tease out the

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nuances of what he does sitting down. Okay, So, so

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is this a statement that you want to kill Jews?

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Is a blanket way, a modus operende, a modus vivende.

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Shall we say, or are there specific Jews in certain

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situations that you're talking about? And of course the person

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would say, well, of course it's specific Jews in certain situations.

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It would be the Zionist element if they're a non Zionist.

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Speaker 4: To understand that. In the original Arabic kill is more

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akin to say, wrestle with right.

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Speaker 2: Exactly a ba right. It's a spiritual contest. So yeah, well,

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and of course what we're going to hear again and

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again and again is that the desire to deport this

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guy who wants to kill Jews is proof that we

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are living under a Nazi regime. I mean, there's absolutely

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the ability to switch between those two concepts is remarkable

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and almost unnotable at this point. So, yeah, he is

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not the best you know example, maybe perhaps for them

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to show. But then again, you know, when they're talking

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about the guy Maryland Dad being accused of being a

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wife beater or human drafficking or the rest of it,

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people will say, and probably correctly, and Charles can expand

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on this, that it's not so much. I mean, the

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fact that he's a bad guy doesn't mean that he

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should be sent to El Salvador, or when specifically the

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arguments or the documents that he should not be sent

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Speaker 5: But that seems to be.

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Speaker 2: One of those little legal technicalities that make people shrug

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and throw up their hands and say, you know what

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about that. I care not a whit what counts as

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getting the guy out because he's bad and he wasn't

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supposed to be here, and that's how you sort of

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lose the specific ad adherence to the rule of law.

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Speaker 4: They'll say, yes, that's true, and I have some time

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for that. The problem is that democrats can't help themselves

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but make the wrong arguments here. So I am a

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classical liberal, and I am, on some of these questions

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much more of a squish than many conservatives. But the

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argument that the classical liberal squish must make is as follows.

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There are lots of very bad people, but our law

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requires us to treat them in a certain way. If,

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for example, you go back through all of the cases

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that we now know habitually as Americans, Miranda, for example,

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and you look at the people after whom they are named,

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they are invariably terrible, terrible sorts. They are rapists and

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pedophiles and serial killers, and are guilty of assault and

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bank robbery and so forth. And the argument ought to

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be okay, but they still get due process. Okay, but

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they still get a trial. Okay, But that doesn't mean

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you could talk to them or what you are. That

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is the argument that I believe in, and I will

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make till I'm blue in the face. Most recently, in

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the case of Rahemi was assumed pre caught decision on

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the question of Second Amendment rights. Rahimi was a terrible,

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terrible man, But the question at stake was are you

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allowed to remove somebody's Second Amendment rights without a court decision? Not?

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Speaker 6: Do you like Rahimi.

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Speaker 4: The problem that Democrats have jensis that they can't help

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but lionize the people in the cases. And then they

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turn around and they say, well, it shouldn't matter. Agreed,

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it shouldn't matter. But you put these people on the

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Senate Democrats Twitter feed. You told us it was just

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a good old Maryland dad. And if you go back

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five years during the George Floyd hysteria, they did it

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every single time there was a police shooting. The argument wasn't, well,

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this maybe did not necessitate lethal force, although in many

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cases it of course did. They said, this man, had

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he been left alive, would have gone on to cure cancer.

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Speaker 6: He was a wonderful human being.

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Speaker 2: He was a giant.

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Speaker 4: And you look at what they'd done, and they'd been caught,

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you know, shooting a pregnant woman and slapping her mum about,

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and they're like, okay, fine, we can argue whether or

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not they deserve to be shot in the altercation that ensued,

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but don't pretend that they were gandy. And I just

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because then it opens themselves up to other people saying, well, no,

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's built in nineteen sixty. It's built into the

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da DNA of nineteen sixties radicalism, where you've allorized the

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antisocial person because they are making a stand and a

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strike against an illegitimate order o chay wovarav being a

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perfect example. But I love the idea, as you noticed,

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that bad people may produce laws that are court decisions

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that are necessary and safeguard the rights of all. For example,

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if the police were to barge into somebody's house without

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a warrant and find a whole bunch of quicklime in

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the basement under the stairs and bodies therein and took

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it to the Supreme Court and won, I would not

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want to be a lawyer who said, well, under John

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Wayne Gacy v. Chicago v. Cicero Police, my client not

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being convicted. I would be saying, could you find another

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case that isn't gaycy maybe to back me up. Well,

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there's there's that, and there's also as long as we're

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in the history or on the topic of people who

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are just having a problem with Zionists, not Jews Zionists,

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mind you, Harvard has issued some statements about what's been

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going on at that August institution, and those of us

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who believe these to be final Glass's ivy colored palaces

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in which the Western values are transmitted to a hungry

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new generation, maybe a tad surprised, Steve, Have you taken

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a look at the recent report on campus anti semitism

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at Harvard?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Have i?

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Speaker 2: Ever?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's three hundred over three hundred pages long,

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and I didn't read every word of the whole thing.

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It's that's too infuriating to do because it's example after

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example of complete moral failure on the part of Harvard.

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The irony is, Oh, by the way, as we are

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sitting down to record here Friday morning, Trump has put

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out a social media post saying he is going to

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strip Harvard of its tax exempt staff and point does

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that warm my cockles for this Friday? And I think

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they originally deserve it, and we'll leave aside the legalities

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and precedents for that, which I think are pretty strong.

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But the irony here is that the current leadership of Harvard,

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Alan Garber, the president, and especially the provost John Manning,

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they're as close as you're going to get to a

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sort of centered with some people with conservative sympathies as

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you're ever going to get at an Ivy League school.

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I mean, John Manning was dean of Harvard Law for

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a while, he was a clerk for Scalia. He's known

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to be a Federal Society participant. Now he seemed kind

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of weak to me. But on the other hand, on

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the relative scale, he and Garber are. You know the

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fact that the Harvard Water Trustee said, you know what,

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we need to stop the identity politics and getting and

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get back to having some white guys in charge who

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know what they're doing, so they'd like to clean things up.

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They've got all the usual constraints of a faculty that

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was able to show Larry Summers the door twenty years

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ago for making one comment about women that went against

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the orthodoxy.

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Speaker 2: So you know, they got a.

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Speaker 1: Lot on their hands, and it's too bad that they're

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taking the heat that the university deserves for decades of mouthfeasance.

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So yeah, I mean, among other things, some of the

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things they describe and report, and kudos for putting it

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out and not sugarcoating it, although they say in the

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opening statement, we worry that this essentially what they say

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is We're worried this report is going to give Trump

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ammunition against us, but we have to put it out anyway.

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Speaker 2: So good for them.

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Speaker 1: But they have a story after story testimony from students

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of the treatment of Jews on campus that if it

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was any other minority group would be front page news

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for weeks and weeks, and calls if it was a

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Democratic president calls for stripping that institution of tax exempt

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status for its blatant civil rights violation. So they richly

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deserve what is happening to them, and I want more.

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Speaker 2: I know your cagos are warmed, but I am still

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hung up on that whole legality thing, the whole means

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by which they could The president could do this with

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a stroke of the pen or call of the you know,

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or using the phone phone and dependent, as another man said,

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you can't just say yay, I like this, do it,

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but he can't. Oh, but do it. I mean, we'll

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we'll see. Well, hold on a second. I mean this

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is worth I don't know, So that's why I'm asking,

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But I'm not going to say. It seems to me

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that the legalities are very very important.

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Speaker 5: Part of this.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think it's actually pretty strong. Just the

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twenty seconds on this, which is when the Bob Jones

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case came down in the eighties. And remember the Reagan

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administration said, we don't think the IRS has the authority

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to strip the tax exempt status. That's for the Justice

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Department Civil Rights Division to look at, not the IRS.

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The Supreme Court said, no, the IRS gets to and

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then the Rega administration said, fine, but just you know,

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limit their federal funding that was part of it, or

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eligibility just to the programs that are discriminatory. And the

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Democrats said no, we want to be able to punish

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the entire universe for any lapse in any department of

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civil rights law, and they passed a statute over Reagan's

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veto to do that. That's why I say, I think

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the legal basis here is very strong, and you know,

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it's time to make the left live by their own

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rules and the brand.

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Speaker 4: Charlette, well, I agree with half of that in that

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I think we need to make the left live by

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their own rules. And this has been an annoying feature

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of civil rights enforcement in general now for years. The

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left has never explained why it took a different position

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in Bob Jones and it's now taking.

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Speaker 6: In relation to Harvard.

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Speaker 4: I would like to see a universal enforcement of the

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rules in the other direction. That is to say, I

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don't mind that Harvard has an exemption, but I don't

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want to live in a country in which Harvard gets

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its exemption, but people that the left dislikes don't. So

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I'm half or maybe more than half with Steve. I

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prefer that we have had a classically liberal order in

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which we could have tax exempt institutions that were all

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treated the same. But until we get that, this is

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the sort of threat or possibly execution that we are

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going to need. And that really is one of the

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stories of the last four or five years. It's been

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a big story here in Florida with DeSantis approach, where

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he has shepherded through and signed a bunch of laws that,

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for example, say that you're not allowed to run workplace

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trainings that imply that white people are a problem. And

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when he's done that, people have said, oh, my goodness,

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is this government overreach. I thought you wanted small government,

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or I thought you were against this. Well, yeah, but

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not against it if it only runs in one direction.

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If you are allowed, as some middle manager at Unilever

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to be forced to attend a session in which you

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were told that you are awful, then the government is

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allowed to step in and say, now, that's against the

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equal protection of the laws and existing civil rights statute.

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So I have no issue with Trump doing this, but

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I would rather have a system in which no one

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did it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know this is twice now. You refer to

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yourself as a classical liberal, and I too, and I

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too like to claim that mettal as well. But being

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a classical liberal these days it seems like somebody. It

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feels like somebody who is holding up a finger and

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saying point of order during a mixed martial arts fight.

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now we welcome to the podcast. Robert bryce So writer public

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speaker who's concentrated on energy Policy's the author of five

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books on the subject, including Pipe Dreams, Greed, Ego, and

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Electricity and the Wealth of Nations. You can find his

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work at Robert Bryce dot substack dot com. I'll have

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that link at ricochet dot com. Robert welcome, hi all,

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Thanks for having me. You know, Spain touted, and I'm

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sure of course you knew where we're going to go

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with this one hundred percent renewable energy. Look at us,

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Look at us. We're no longer burning those liquefied dinosaurs.

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We don't have those nasty, you know, smoke stacks belching out.

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We are clean and we are green, and days later

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in the dark. Now, I've been reading an awful lot

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about what happened, and the minute that I started reading

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people who seem to know what they're talking about, it

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vaults into an area of expertise and technical details about

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grid and balance and deviations and the rest of It's

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very complex for people to figure out. What they do

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know is that Spain went dark. Portugal too, what happened, Well, it.

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Speaker 7: Was only fifty five million people who are so it's

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not that not that big of a deal. And yes,

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you're right. I mean the timing of this was pretty rich.

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I think it was eight days before the blackout or so.

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The Spanish government was bragging, Oh, for a few minutes,

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we were one hundred percent renewable. Well, what's that old

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mine about pride goeth before the fall. But this is

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just a simple result, a very obvious result, rather of

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bad energy policy. And the socialist government under the Prime

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Minister of Pedro Sanchez, has made net zero their target.

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They have pushed hard for for wind and solar energy.

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I don't call them renewables, it's alt energy, alternative energy.

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And the short answer is why did this happen? Well,

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you fragilize the grid by adding these what are called

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asynchronous forms of generation or wind and solar don't add

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the kind of oomph you call it grid inertia to

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the grid, and so the grid becomes less less stable.

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And there was a small some it appears to be

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some kind of falter interruption or disturbance on the grid,

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and the wind and solar capacity couldn't respond and flatten

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out that that disturbance, and so the system tripped and

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grid went down.

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Speaker 2: First of all, fragilized is a word I don't think

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I've encountered before, and I now love it, and I'm

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going to have to incorporate that into a.

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Speaker 5: Merry body be my guest, my compliments.

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Speaker 2: Secondly, a lot of people in the green side were

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saying after this, well, what this proves is that we

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just need better battery technology that when you lose from this,

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where they can just power up the batteries and they

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sort of imagine that there's these large, ever ready copper

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tops sitting around somewhere that they can just plug right in.

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Before we go further into this, how I mean, I

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know Elon Musk and the rest of the guys are

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keen on battery technology, but how good are we getting.

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Are we getting anything to the point where we can

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actually maintain the base currency that is needed to keep

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these systems online.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's important before we talk about batteries

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just to put this in context about what's happening in Spain.

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So just at the moment of the collapse, more than

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is about sixty percent of all the electricity on the

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Spanish grid was coming from wind and solar. But remember

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this Spanish government is aiming to have eighty one percent

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renewables by twenty thirty and they're also aiming to shudder

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all of their nuclear plants by twenty thirty five, and

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those nuclear plants provide twenty percent of the power in

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Spain today. So I'm just finishing an article for Substack

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on this right now. But that you know, this is

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just a recipe for disaster. Whether they try and add

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batteries and do so quickly, we'll have to see. But

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there are all these other costs that they're going to

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have to ladle on top of the existing costs on

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the grid in order to accommodate this, all this intermittent generation.

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So you know, this is just a glimpse of what

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could happen if Spain continues with this terrible energy policy.

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Speaker 2: Is the King behind this? Only because I want to

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say the pain in Spain falls mostly on his rain? Sorry,

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I'm done, I'm done.

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Speaker 5: I's done, really bad, really bad.

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Speaker 7: Ton I will say, I have no idea about the

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king and don't really care about kings.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: My variation of what James said a couple of minutes ago,

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with your use of fragilized is being out here in California,

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were at the cutting edge of a lot of this nonsense.

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With apologies to Mary Poppins, it seems to me you

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can say Spain and others are super cowy fragilizing. Okay,

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I know that's even worse, right, Charlie Cook, I hope

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you can.

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Speaker 7: I mean it's a low bar these guys, so please

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chime in.

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Speaker 4: I have an actual, actual question, not a Mary Poppins.

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Speaker 6: So this is of course me being a typical right

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wing mini.

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Speaker 4: But I really like nuclear power, and maybe you'll correct me,

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maybe I'm wrong, but I was given to understand that France,

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which is next to Spain, is really heavily invested in

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nuclear power, has been since the fifties, and in America,

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nuclear power has become more and more popular if you

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look at opinion polls. I'm sure people will bulk a

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little when they told the station will be built in

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their backyard, but as a general matter, it's increased in popularity.

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But you just said Spain is getting rid of it's

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nuclear power. Can you talk me through that decision? Because

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Spain's next to France, surely they can see it works.

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So what is it that level of environmental isn't that

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they can't even stomach that?

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Speaker 7: You know, Charlie, I'd say I just correct you. It's

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not environmentalism, it's ideology. And I mean, there's just no

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cure for I mean, you're a brit Look at the Brits.

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They're following Germany's example of driving their economies straight into

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the ditch with this, I mean, frankly just idiotic energy policy,

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anti nuclear, anti hydrocarbon, claiming that they can run their

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systems on wind and solar and batteries and unicorn farts alone,

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and it just doesn't work. And there was a great quote,

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in fact, it just came down in l pais today,

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the English version, and it was a quote and this,

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you know, it's interesting you point out there is the

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you know, Conservatives, Republicans tend to be more pro nuclear,

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and Democrats and particularly the US Democratic Party has been

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anti nuclear for fifty years. Now that's changing some a

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little bit. But anyway, here's the key quote. It was

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from Alberto Nunez Feju, who's the leader of the People's

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Party and Conservative Party pro nuclear People's Party in Spain,

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said that he was talking about what happened and he said,

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our energy system is being managed with an enormous ideological bias.

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And I think that's exactly right. You know, you need

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engineers to run the grid, not ideologues, and that unfortunately,

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that's what we're seeing.

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Speaker 2: They really got.

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Speaker 1: Started with their nuclear building program in the late seventies

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after the first energy crisis, and I think I think

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three quarters of their fleet they have now was built

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in the eighties when we built none, or I think

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we finished maybe two long running projects were finished in

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the eighties, one of them Diablo Canyon that I live near.

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I did ask a Frenchman once, a libertarian guy who

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Max Falk was his name, and I said, how did

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you guys build all this nuclear power when we stopped?

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Speaker 2: And he said, oh, it's very simple.

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Speaker 1: You see, he says, in France, our communists supported nuclear power,

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whereas in your country, your communists opposed it. But yeah,

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that sounds about right, and you had more to that.

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But I want to do this, Robert, I want to

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go back to this grid question for a moment, because

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you know, most Americans, and I'm one of them to

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some extent, have a simple minded view that, well, electricity,

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it comes from you know, power plants and wind and solar,

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and isn't it great? And we just throw it on

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wires and it comes into our house and we turn

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on our lights. And I try to explain the grid

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in simple terms as well. Think of it as something

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like your garden hose. It's got to be filled with

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water and has to have adequate pressure to keep the

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water moving. But I think that's not quite adequate. Can

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you do you know a minute of grid one oh

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one so that you know, a five year old can

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understand it because we keep hearing these terms like you

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know it's got to be at fifty hurtz and you

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know this and that, and your eyes glaze over really fast.

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But it turns out to be the key part of

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the story more than generation.

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Speaker 7: I think, yeah, well, and that's the way even engineers,

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because electricity is it's complicated, I mean just everything about

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the grid and it's it's this massive machine with all

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these different parts and it's amazing it all works, I

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mean just incredible. And the electricity phenomenon itself is difficult

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to understand. But nevertheless, your idea about water is the

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right analogy, and engineers even do this to compare it

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to water. The difference between your garden hose example, is

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that say you're you know, you're filling your swimming pool,

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and I've been to your house the Olympic sized swimming

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pool in your case, say you put your garden hose

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in there and the pressure in the hose drops a

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little bit, well, it just takes you a little longer

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to fill the hoe, fill the pool, or take a shower,

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wash the dishes or whatever, because that difference in water

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flow doesn't matter very much ultimately to you as a

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cut consumer. The electric grid works differently in that that

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pressure and the water flow has to be constant and

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has to maintain in the US at sixty hertz, in

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the Europe fifty hertz. It has to be maintained around

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that frequency or and if that frequency varies too much,

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the system shuts down. And that's what we saw in Spain,

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this slight change in frequency, a sub frequency drop or

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a surge. And because of that lack of pressure. Think

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of the power generation systems in general. Have our water

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pumps or electricity pumps, and they operate at very high pressure. Well,

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wind and solar don't provide that same pressure that you

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get from nuclear plants and gas fired power plants, hydro plants,

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et cetera, and so they don't provide that Inertia is

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the term of art that keeps that pressure and frequency

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at the same at the exact same level and it's clear.

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And the piece that I'm writing is saying, yes, we

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can blame solar for the blackouts.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's go back to batteries for a minute, as

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James brought that up. And so it's one thing to have,

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you know, the Tesla power wall in your house, which

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can I guess if you get a couple of them,

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and depending on your power needs, can run your house

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overnight if the power goes out. But these good storage

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batteries we're talking about, that would be you know the

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size of a small house and you need what thirty

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of them or something for a small town. And I

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think I've seen some figures from you and others that

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they wouldn't last very long. Oh and that leave us

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and maybe you want to talk about this too, but

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maybe it's asking too much. The supply chain requirements to

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build all those batteries are massive, and if we're doing

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it to save greenhouse gas emissions, it's not even clear

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it's net plus for that accounting game, right, So the

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battery fantasy is really I think my opinion and it'll stop,

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is it's a way to keep solar and wind power

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viable quote unquote for the greenies who are made religion

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out of pushing it so hard.

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Speaker 5: Sure. Well, a couple of quick thoughts.

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Speaker 7: One is I'm starting to come around to some of

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the battery storage, like here in Texas. You know, they

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can be valuable for peak peak shaving right when the

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demand is very high. So I'm coming around to some

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of their utility in terms of overall grid management. However,

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what we saw in Spain is that the power went

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out for twelve fifteen sixteen. I don't know how many

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hours it berries on the region. There are no batteries

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that are going to last all day. They're generally meant

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for about four hours. To other quick points, one is

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that the battery supply chain is almost completely dependent on China,

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and you know China. China is not our friend. I

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think we can all agree on this, but I think

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I'd like to just steer the conversation just a little

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bit if I could. On the other issue in Spain,

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and you know, Charles, you know from the UK, it's

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all across Europe. Land use conflicts around renewable energy projects,

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whether it's a wind or solar or high voltage transmission.

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I've documented them here in the US, and the renewable

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rejection database. It's on my website. I've also started the

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Global renewable rejection database now at one hundred and three

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and of those rejections in Ireland, Scotland, in the UK

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just this year, just since January first, there have been

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twenty three rejections. Well, look at what's happening in Spain.

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Just In and Bloomberg reported on this. I'm just finishing

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this piece was Reuter's reported on a storm of lawsuits

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against wind energy projects in Galicia. In February, officials in

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Tora Vieja stopped the construction of the solar project for

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a desil plant in Galicia. They've implemented a new rule

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on wind projects in that area. So what you know,

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This idea that Spain is going to get to eighty

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percent renewals is just hogwashed. They're never going to be

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able to do it because they don't have enough land.

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And that's the same the thing that is hindering a

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hamstring will always hamstring wind and solar projects is they're

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just the amount of land they require is just cartoonish.

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Speaker 4: On that, I have another nuclear power question. Sure again,

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correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember

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reading that with nuclear power. Once it's on, you know

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exactly how much power you're getting out of it per generator, right,

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because there's no variability of the input. So given that

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we know that, how many nuclear stations, and accounting for geography,

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because I understand how much energy you lose over distance,

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how many would we need realistically to completely nuclearize the

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United States?

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Speaker 5: Huh? Okay, Well let me just do some back into them. Okay.

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Speaker 7: So Spain gets about twenty percent of its power from

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nuclear plants. It has five plants. In the US, we

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have ninety some odd nuclear plants. Some of them are

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twin reactors, some of them I think Palo Verde has four.

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In any case, we get about roughly twenty percent from

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let's call it one hundred, So we'd need four hundred

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more to meet be one hundred percent nuclear power in

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the US and something like that.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 7: So I'm with you, Charles. I'm adamantly pro nuclear. Ive

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been saying the same thing for fifteen years. If we're

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serious about decarbonization, serious about reducing CO two emissions and

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sparing land, which is what I'm in favor of. I'm

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a point watcher, I'm a bad, bad enthusiast landscape enthusiast

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hiker natural. As for nuclear preserved, they have high power density,

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which is key. But let we have to be very

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sober about where nuclear is in the United States. It's

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the rollout is going to be slow, and I wish

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if I had one wish for the Trump administration, get

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on it, man, get on it. We have to solve

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the capital, the fuel, the regulation, and the waste problem.

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We got to get on it right away.

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Speaker 2: Nixon wanted a thousand plants. That was one of the reaction. No,

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he did, he absolutely did, and it would have provided

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like something like two hundred percent of the projected power

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and it would have been great. Of course, the Left

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would have spent a great deal of time shutting them

712
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,280
down because they made Bruce Springsteen unhappy.

713
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,039
Speaker 5: But here's Jackson Brown.

714
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 2: Don't forget Jackson Brown and everybody else who required undependable

715
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,679
energy sources to do their concerts.

716
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 5: But here's the thing.

717
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, there is something I suppose that stirs

718
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,119
the heart of the European breast when they see a windmill.

719
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,960
I know that when I go to England and we're

720
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,639
driving around Sussex and we come around it. We always

721
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:40,480
come around a bend and there's It always startles me

722
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:44,360
to see these dark satanic blades just slowly moving. And

723
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,079
some people see these enormous structures as signs of hope,

724
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:49,119
when I think, you know, you don't have to dodg

725
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:51,119
your countryside with these things everywhere, You don't have to

726
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,360
have shiny walls of mirrors. You can build a nuke.

727
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,920
But here's the thing you mentioned before, an ideological attachment

728
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:04,639
to these things. And I don't think that anybody believes that, well,

729
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,719
maybe I do. There's the notion of de growth, that

730
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,119
if that there's something wrong about the fact that Western

731
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:14,599
society continues to grow and invent and spread, and that

732
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:17,159
this is some sort of cancerous fungus on the planet

733
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,159
on Guia's face, and what we ought to do is

734
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,119
to be less and less and less. And there's something

735
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:24,079
about the unstanding ability of nuclear power to provide this

736
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:28,480
that they don't like because it suggests abundance. And I

737
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,920
know that's sort of a complicated psychological take on it,

738
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:33,880
but I think that's part of it. I think that

739
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,159
if you say this grid is less dependable, what they

740
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,800
will say is you're going to you will adapt, You'll

741
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,920
be fine. If the power isn't on between one and two,

742
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,320
will all be better for it? If the power goes

743
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,840
down to fifty percent? Ten? Am I wrong?

744
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 5: Well where to start? You've made a.

745
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 7: Lot of points there, I think in the seventy and

746
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,119
you know, I'm going to be sixty five this year,

747
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:04,039
so I'm not quite as old as Steve Hayward. No

748
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:06,280
it is, but I'm you know, getting I'm getting older.

749
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,239
But you know, in the sixties and seventies, the anti

750
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,960
nuclear movement was really propelled by this kind of anti

751
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,960
nuclear weapon view, right, that the conflation of nuclear energy

752
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,599
with nuclear weaponry was really the main thing. Right, So

753
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:29,079
that's kind of changed over time, and now the ardent

754
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,360
nuclear opponents are saying, oh, we can't deal with the waste,

755
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,800
and you know it's too long lived. But but it's

756
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,400
all this has just been the ideology of the left

757
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,360
in America really since the sixties and particularly after the

758
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,320
end of the Cold War. You know that nuclear energy

759
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,400
is bad and that that alt energy renewables are good,

760
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,480
regardless of whether you know the intermittency or whatever. But

761
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,239
I'll quote Jesse Osibel, a friend of mine who has

762
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,760
influenced my thinking on this greatly. He said, you know,

763
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,320
wind and solar may be renewable, but they are not green.

764
00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:00,360
And I think that's just such a great summation of that.

765
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,440
And that's why one of the reasons why I'm so

766
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,519
pro nuclear is a small footprint and power density. High

767
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:09,159
power density is key. It is green, and that is

768
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:12,480
something where the I think this environmental betrayal by the

769
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,559
left in favor of offshore wind, which I cannot stand,

770
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,559
is just this incredible betrayal of the environment. But you know,

771
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:22,519
I think it's all just motivated by money, and the

772
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,800
NGOs are allied with big banks, big law firms and

773
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,679
big business to promote this wind and solar. I think

774
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:29,480
it's just that simple.

775
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,119
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Billy Bob Thornton has a speech

776
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:34,840
and Landman that addressed the very greenish yeah, talking about

777
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,960
it and as they love to debunk it, I love

778
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,000
to listen to it. Steven.

779
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually, Robert, do your three keys to thinking about energy? Briefly?

780
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,559
I use them for my students, and I got them

781
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:45,719
from you.

782
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: You know, you know, the density, cost, and scale.

783
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,519
Speaker 1: If you need to prompt.

784
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, Well, it's it's what I call the four imperatives.

785
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,639
And I'm in my fourth book power Hungry, power density,

786
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,280
energy density, cost and scale. So why are our energy

787
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,199
systems why have they developed the way they have over

788
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,480
the past, you know, two centuries really in the in

789
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,760
the in the since in the beginning of the industrial age. Well,

790
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,880
it's power density. And what is power density. It's a

791
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,079
measure of energy flow that could be harnessed in a

792
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:13,800
given area of volume or mass. That's not power and

793
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,440
energy are not the same thing. Power is the ability power.

794
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:18,519
Energy is the ability to do work. Powers the rate

795
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:20,960
at which work gets done. Okay, so power density is

796
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,400
a measure of energy flow in a certain time. And

797
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,199
so that's why again going back to nuclear and natural

798
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,920
gas and and even coal mines underground coal mines are

799
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,519
super high power density. Energy density is the amount of

800
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:36,239
energy that's contained in a certain weight or mass or volume.

801
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,840
So this bottle here has water in it, but if

802
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,639
it had you know, leaves or sawdust, and it would

803
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:44,480
have lower energy density than if I fill it with

804
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:48,280
gasoline or kerosene. And then costs and scale are obvious,

805
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,719
right you know, And so uh these then the lower

806
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:54,719
one other quick point is the lower the power density,

807
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,039
the higher the resource intensity. And that's what we see

808
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,320
with corn ethanol, with wind, with solar, they just require

809
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,079
massive amounts of land because they produce very small energy

810
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:07,079
flows from the relative footprint. So it's a you know,

811
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,800
basic physics, but unfortunately, very very few people understand it.

812
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what I what I do Robert with students,

813
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,199
is I show them I use music because I can

814
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,519
understand this. I show them an old a track tape

815
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:22,920
which they've never seen, and a cassette tape. By by

816
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,400
the way, you have an old a tract tape of

817
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,679
electric light orchestra to make it topical. And then I'll

818
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,960
show them, you know, cassette tape, a record album, and

819
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,480
then I'll show them an old iPod or you know,

820
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:35,320
well you could you have ten.

821
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 5: Songs, right, or a little flash drive flash drive.

822
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: Right, and that that's an easy way to get the

823
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:43,320
energy density question across. And then what do you want

824
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:46,840
where do you want to get your music from? You know,

825
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:50,159
a hardboard box full of eight tracks with fifty songs,

826
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,400
or your little device that's not even a square ranch

827
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,480
that has a thousand songs and they understand that.

828
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 7: So you can play that eight track in your vintage

829
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,320
firebird their right right, that's the image that comes to people.

830
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 2: We let you go, Robert. Then one related question that

831
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,599
brings us all together. What is the gauge on the

832
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:09,960
top east ring on that stratocaster hanging on the wall.

833
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,559
Speaker 5: Well, it's E, right, it's E.

834
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: But use a nine gauge, ten gauge eleven.

835
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 7: Oh gosh, I think those are ten gauge strings. I'm

836
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,480
I'm a perennial beginner when it comes to the to

837
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,599
the guitar, but I have a I think I worked

838
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:26,920
too much to play all the time. But yes, but

839
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:28,840
I love my guitar collection.

840
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:31,599
Speaker 2: But nine is great for soloing because you can really

841
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,119
bend that baby. I always found the elevens would just

842
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,000
pop like crazy. They would, they would even and you

843
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,599
Miami bar takes it out of tune, and then you've

844
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,480
got to even bend it even more than it snaps,

845
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:42,719
which is why I actually it's more of a Gibson man,

846
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,719
even though I love my strat Well, next time, practice

847
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,039
a little bit more. You can play us out. But

848
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,239
for the moment, we're going to tell everybody that a necessary, important,

849
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,800
and incredibly relevant book to our times today is a

850
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,039
question of power electricity and the wealth of nations. Robert Bryce,

851
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:01,000
thanks for joining us today. Fascinating. Could have done another

852
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:03,639
hour and someday soon I hope that we will. Robert,

853
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,280
see you later.

854
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 5: Thanks y'all.

855
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: So Charles, I believe that you had something you didn't

856
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,719
want to burden the fellow with an anecdte. No I

857
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,320
us burden us if you will.

858
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:19,679
Speaker 4: So fay globalist elite that I am. I just came

859
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,719
back from France. I spent a lovely ten days and

860
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,880
we drove across much of the country and my favorite

861
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,559
wine regions were on our schedule. And one of the

862
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:38,000
things that I saw that I just would not have

863
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,760
seen on my many trips to Front's as a kid.

864
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:44,920
Also driving trips with these wind farms that are everywhere.

865
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,320
Now you see them in this beautiful countryside, but it's

866
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,039
marred by all these horrible War of the World style machines.

867
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,360
But here's a funny little insight into what people really think.

868
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,519
Spit of wine torn Burgundy, and between where we were

869
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:06,039
staying and the vineyards, there are all.

870
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 6: These wind farms. And I said to the lady, I said, why,

871
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,559
why why are they there? You have all this nuclear power.

872
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,199
Speaker 4: This is just vanity, right, and she felt a bit defensive,

873
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,119
you know, so I said, no, no, no, they are fine.

874
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 6: They do not look too bad. We have these these

875
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,280
bring electricity to the villages. They are fine, you know.

876
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,159
We drive on a little bit.

877
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,159
Speaker 4: Eventually we end up near Bone in Burgundy, a middle

878
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:30,639
all the vineyards, and I said to her, you know,

879
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:32,760
I noticed.

880
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,119
Speaker 6: There aren't any windmills here, and she said, have those

881
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:37,480
things near the grapes.

882
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I thought, that somehow the vibration caused

883
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,280
by these things would somehow affect the tanning gas and somebody.

884
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 6: Now I get it, I get it.

885
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 4: People put these things in different places, but it's like

886
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,639
when they're ruining a beautiful landscape. She was like, no,

887
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:55,599
they're beautiful, while you said, you feel is dying. And

888
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:57,559
then the minute I'm like, well there they aren't near

889
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:01,519
the grape, She's like, those disgusting tall, mud and swingy things,

890
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:03,159
we kind of put them near the wine.

891
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 6: I just I think that's what they actually think, right.

892
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,679
Speaker 4: It's like, well, you can always tell what people want

893
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,840
when you say let's put it in your backyard.

894
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, well it requires a lot of substances, which

895
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,679
is copper, and everybody is complaining here because Trump is

896
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,360
threatening to open up areas near our beloved boundary waters

897
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:26,920
to mining to get copper because there's a lot of

898
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,400
copper up here. Because you can't use old copper, recycled copper.

899
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,719
You need lots of virgin copper for these things. But

900
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,239
somehow we'll have to get it from someplace else. We'll

901
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,360
get it from China. Well maybe not the way things

902
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,639
are going. We have seen interesting stories this week about

903
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,360
reshoring of several things, from electronics to I think Eli

904
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,199
Lilly is committed like five billion dollars or something, don't

905
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,280
quote me on building pharmacy complants here, which is great,

906
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,119
which is really nice, because I'd like for us to

907
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:01,639
not have to depend on China four that stuff. We

908
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,119
had that spasm in twenty twenty when we're realizing, oh

909
00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:06,599
wait a minute, we all need masks, we didn't and

910
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,159
China is the only guys who have them, and they

911
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,119
did to tie back to electricity, so ied. I saw

912
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:15,159
an interview with the guy, and I can't vouch for

913
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:17,719
any of this. I probably shouldn't say it, but he

914
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,159
was talking about the fact that we get most of

915
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:25,079
our transformers. It seems from China. And if you were

916
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,840
the Chinese government and you were selling transformers to the

917
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,960
grid of a nation for whom you have a certain

918
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,800
amount of antagonism, wouldn't you just build a back door

919
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,320
into every single one of them.

920
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 4: Yes, that's one reason why we don't want stuff from

921
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,199
Wua Wai on a Internet precisely, person like the British

922
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:47,400
who decided that that was all fine.

923
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: It's as if it's xenophobic to somehow say that China

924
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,079
would be installing all sorts of spyware and back doors

925
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:56,599
into their stuff. I mean, it's simple national self interest.

926
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,280
Why wouldn't they, especially when they have a trading partner

927
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,400
like us who's so credule has to believe that they're

928
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,360
behaving completely above board. When I mean, I wish I

929
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,920
could show you. I have two electric razors. One is

930
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,079
by Phillips, the others by some Chinese fly by nine company,

931
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,239
and they are exactly the same. They are precisely the

932
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,840
same in terms of their design, They have everything about

933
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,440
them you can just tell China stole it.

934
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:21,199
Speaker 6: Well.

935
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 4: We do expect this, though, James, because we don't allow

936
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,599
China to sell us anything that is used in our

937
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:35,840
military equipment, so we do know, yeah, likely to do this.

938
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,480
I mean this is a very very small example. But

939
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:40,719
I am, as you know, a big technod and I've

940
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,679
installed all manner of smart devices in my house, most

941
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,320
of which are either proprietorial or I built myself, or

942
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,679
are not linked to the cloud or whatever. Well anyway,

943
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,639
there's a lot of custom code that I have running them.

944
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:54,760
But I have these two devices in the house that

945
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,960
were made in China because there's nowhere else that I

946
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can get them. Long story short, and those two devices

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constantly and of course I've stopped them. They're the only

948
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two devices in the whole lot that constantly try to

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ping China on the network.

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Speaker 2: They're phoning home all the time, phoning home.

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Speaker 6: All the time.

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Speaker 4: So I got rid of them because it's like, I

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can't have that in my house. I can't people say, oh, wow,

954
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you're so paranoid. Do you think they care how often

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you open your garage door? I don't know, but I

956
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don't want them knowing that.

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Speaker 5: Who are they pinging?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I mean you can you can get did

959
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you use little snitch or did you just look at

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your logs?

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Speaker 4: Well, I have a whole server room full of equipment

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that runs my network. So I see all of the

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packets that go in and out, and I can say, so,

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who's it trying to I don't know, but it's the manufacturer,

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I guess. In Chinese IP addresses, you can't really tell

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where they're going inside China because China has this bpeak

967
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firewall around the country and it translates everything into subnets.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know. But it's also just even.

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Speaker 4: If they were pinging Tampa, it would still be different

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than everything else on the network. Now of the light

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switches in my house, I'm trying to ping Amazon websites. Right,

972
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It's just these two Chinese made devices. It's fascinating, right.

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Speaker 2: Pitch them out, pitch them out. Well. Also, we need

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rare earth, we need minerals, we need stuff like that,

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and as it turns out, Ukraine has got a lot

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of them, and including Neon, which I'm very happy about.

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The fact that we have struck a trade deal with

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Ukraine for Neon means that the American Renaissance can possibly

979
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bring back to the downtowns and the drive ins more.

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Neon a wonderful American art form. But for all those

981
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people who are saying that you know, Trump's is going

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to abandon Ukraine. It seems as if struck a deal

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whereby we get access to the minerals in exchange for security,

984
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really and they trust us. What do you think of

985
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the deal? Well, wait a minute.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've thought from the beginning that this was

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quite a significant idea on several grounds, But the main

988
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one is you just mentioned it if the United and

989
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I'm not sure if we're actually taking co ownership, which

990
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was one of the original ideas, or whether we're just

991
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going to get favorable terms and be first in line

992
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to buy Ukrainian mineral exports. I prefer the former because

993
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then it gives the United States a direct national interest

994
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in the survival of Ukraine, and that tells Russia that right,

995
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you're right, Johns. Another guarantee on paper is not worked

996
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very much from us, since we didn't follow the previous

997
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one from thirty years ago that said give up your

998
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nukes and we'll guarantee your security.

999
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Speaker 2: Well, we didn't live up to that.

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Speaker 1: So the point is is that now you have a

1001
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real tangible economic interest, it sends a signal to Russia

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hands off Ukraine. So I kind of like that people

1003
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all like to say, well, this is Trump being an

1004
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,400
economic imperial I don't know what they're saying, but you know,

1005
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it's Trump's deal making. I kind of think it reminds

1006
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,679
me a little bit of the len Lease Act back

1007
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and len Ley's actions of Roosevelt back on the eve

1008
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of World War Two, where because we had constraints in

1009
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the law, the Neutrality Act, we were lending destroyers to

1010
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,880
Britain which were maybe obsolete, but it was a political

1011
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,960
statement that was important. But in return, we got some

1012
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,320
British bases in the Caribbean that they weren't likely to

1013
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be needing anytime.

1014
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:17,599
Speaker 2: Soon at the outset of that war.

1015
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Speaker 1: And so I don't think this is entirely unprecedented or

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without any parallels in our past. And I'm rather encouraged

1017
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by it as someone who wants to see Ukraine survive.

1018
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,000
And I'll just sort of stop there and see what

1019
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:31,440
Charlie thinks of any of that.

1020
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Speaker 6: Well, do you know when the British finally paid off Lendleys.

1021
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, the nineteen nineties or something, or two thousand and six.

1022
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Speaker 2: It, Yes, I knew it was recent.

1023
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's certainly, as you say, not new a

1024
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:45,039
lot of the coverage of this is implied this is

1025
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:48,119
some monstrous innovation on the parts of the Trump administration,

1026
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:50,960
but it's not. I'm pleased about it for a couple

1027
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,480
of reasons. First because its signals that we're going to

1028
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,519
be siting with Ukraine rather than Russia, which we should be.

1029
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 6: And second because I don't.

1030
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 4: See a great problem in them helping us pay them

1031
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,760
to fight Russia. No, I think we should be helping them,

1032
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,079
but there's nothing written in the stars that says we

1033
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,119
can't ever get anything in return.

1034
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,639
Speaker 6: I don't I don't have an issue with it.

1035
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: No, I agree completely. It was after the Iraq War

1036
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,320
and Sodomusine was toppled and they were selling the oil leases,

1037
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,320
the oil rights around. I don't believe that the United

1038
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,599
States companies came in the top two or three. I

1039
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:34,679
think it was total Fena and I think it was France.

1040
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,320
I think these guys bid us. So, I mean, we

1041
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,639
didn't get the oil out of that, and if we had,

1042
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:40,840
it would have been, well, it's blood for oil. No,

1043
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,119
we're just ye. So I agree with Charlie. There's there's

1044
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:46,480
no reason that Ukraine can't slip a couple of bucks

1045
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:51,400
our way and we'll all be together. It just may seem, however,

1046
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,400
when you look back at all the shouting and the

1047
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,400
bluster and the Putin cozening and the rest of it,

1048
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:02,519
that we saw somebody staking out absurd, irrational position and

1049
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,239
getting people to the table and eventually moving more towards

1050
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,239
the center. I keep being told that that's what's always

1051
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,719
going on, and sometimes I actually kind of sort of

1052
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,800
believe it, credulous soul that I am. Well, Stephen, before

1053
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,639
we go, I believe that you would like to let

1054
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:25,000
the world know of an absolutely brilliant, pithy Charles able

1055
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,639
to cook tweet. Yeah, that sums it all up.

1056
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,639
Speaker 1: Charles wins Twitter for this week. In my mind, at

1057
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:34,639
least my humble opinion, there was that if you missed this,

1058
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,480
Sir James, a what a squib in the New York

1059
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,440
Times or a quote in the mainstream media saying there's

1060
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,440
a clamoring among Democrats to have Kamala Harris re emerged.

1061
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,440
She's the only leader to speak up against Trump when

1062
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:51,159
there's clamoring going on. Charles, I had a great laugh

1063
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:54,159
out of your tweet, which I'll read to our listeners.

1064
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:57,559
There is not there has in fact, never ever been

1065
00:53:57,639 --> 00:53:59,960
less of a clamoring for anything that is on off

1066
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:02,840
for In the history of clamoring, no people has ever

1067
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,840
clamored less than the American people are clamoring for Kamala

1068
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,119
Harrison's voice. She is clamorless. She is a hollow clamorree

1069
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,599
and that's it. And I thought, you know what, were

1070
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:18,719
you subconsciously channeling John Clees and the Parent Shop about

1071
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,719
the I was wondering was the inspiration?

1072
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:22,039
Speaker 5: Right?

1073
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,639
Speaker 1: That was fabulous, Charles. I envy your your style with

1074
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that one.

1075
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,039
Speaker 6: Wow, thank you. I stepped.

1076
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:34,199
Speaker 4: Back to my computer and found that that story and

1077
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:36,920
I a couldn't believe the claim that was being made,

1078
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,760
but even better, I couldn't believe that the claim had

1079
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,960
been made on background. So she had managed whoever said

1080
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that had managed to get permission to say it anonymously,

1081
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,280
because why why do you need.

1082
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 6: Anonymity to praise your former boss? It was osity bizarre

1083
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:55,840
whole thing.

1084
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: Is right well? I saw a re emerging a clip

1085
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,400
that was going around where she was referencing some TikTok

1086
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,639
or YouTube video about what elephants at the zoo do

1087
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,239
when there's an earthquake. Apparently they form a circle with

1088
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,679
their butts all together and write it out. And she

1089
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,599
was saying that that's what the Democrats should do. And

1090
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:13,920
I thought, here's a perfect example of Kamala Harris. She's cackling,

1091
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,840
she's loud, she's beaming, she's rambling on about a video,

1092
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,599
and she is using as a symbol of what the

1093
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:25,400
Democrats ought to do, the literal representation of the Republican icon,

1094
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,639
which is the elephant. And it was in Comarington Sparkley,

1095
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:31,639
and she didn't explain everything right, but she was just

1096
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:34,400
going right, you've seen it right, right, like we're all

1097
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,480
still back in Brat's summer, and God help me if

1098
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,920
ever that comes back again. I have only to say, however,

1099
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that if you, by any means, after your lunch, find

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yourself a little bit or breakfast or dinner or whatever.

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Charles Cook, Stephen Hayward, It's been a pleasure. I'm James

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Lilacs and we'll see everybody in the comments at Ricochet

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