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he was on the dark side. He was all the

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way on the dark side. The moment he realized that

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God existed, that he was offering him salvation, he completely

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abandoned the previous life. And that doesn't mean he didn't struggle.

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sudden developed this kind of a rebellion and hatred for

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the evil one who who He was really aware of

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the fact that he controlled his life, so he wanted

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to completely break free from him. And this is what

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really got to me. One day, he was just in

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the desert talking to his disciples, and he stood up

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and he told everybody to run and hide because the robbers,

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the murderers were coming and they were going to kill everybody.

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So his disciples, knowing how holy Saint Moses the Black

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was and and prophetic, they knew they didn't They knew

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that whatever he was saying it was going to come true.

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they asked him, well, what about you, And he said, oh,

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for me, says I prayed for this moment. I've been

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waiting for this moment all my life.

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Speaker 2: This is Jonathan Pejo. Welcome to the symbolic world. Hello everyone,

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I'm here with Yolena Popovic and most of you will

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have seen a Man of God that came out in

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twenty twenty one. I think it was a beautiful film

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about St. Niktarios and most recently and soon to come out,

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year is Moses the Black and so I was so

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surprised I saw this most recent project. So I cannot

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wait to talk to Yolenna about what, like, how did

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this project come together? And so thanks for talking to me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. And uh and

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I'm just gonna say the film is coming out this

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year in right.

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Speaker 2: Where we are in the new year. We already juh goodness, Yeah,

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you taught me at the end of the holidays, is

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what's happening?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know it's since I can't even believe it myself,

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so I also get confused with dates.

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your second movie that is kind of diving into more

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orthodox imagery. Uh. You know, Man of God was I

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think quite successful. It came out during Covid. I saw it.

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I remember seeing it in Montreal and the reaction of

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almost everyone I talked to was quite positive about about

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the movie. But this, this new movie is so different,

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and so I really would like to hear the story

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about how did it you came to this project?

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thank you for doing that.

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many times the question of why you know why Saint Nactarius,

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you know, especially I'm originally from Serbia, and I would

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get the questions like how come you didn't pick a

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Serbian saint? And I say, well, saints, they don't have nationalities.

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no you know, the all equal in the eyes of God.

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very very I was very moved when I read about

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Saint Moses the Black and this happened actually before I

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was shooting a Man of God. I don't remember exact year,

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but I think somewhere around twenty eighteen or nine teen,

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that's where I knew about him. But that's when I

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read again the story in more detail, and I was

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I had the same feeling maybe as an artist, that

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that's what we do. We kind of maybe get inspired

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by certain things. That's usually some things that are within us.

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I'm talking about as an artist, some kind of experiences

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that speak to us on a more personal level than

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some other ones. And and what I can think about.

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way Saint Moses died. I was that's when when I

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got the goosebumps and felt like I wanted to tell

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his story. And when I read that, it's been people

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century in Egypt, and we don't have ex I mean,

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we have enough information to know about him. He's a

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very well respected desert father. He was the spiritual son

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of Saint Macarius of Egypt, who was the spiritual son

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of Saint Anthony the Great. So this is the level

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of spirituality we're talking about. And therefore he's also quoted

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of Egypt. So in that sense is a saint that

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it's very well known and respected in Orthodox tradition. But

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the violence and brutality that he displayed. And at one

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point it seems that as if he killed a government

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official and therefore there was a bounty on his head,

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they were just simply going to kill him and he

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had to run and hide, and his unworldly wisdom at

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the time, he decided to hide next to the monastery

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where Saint Abba Isidor was an abbot at the time,

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because thinking who's going to be looking for him there?

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Speaker 1: And it was precisely at that moment that God had

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spoken to his heart and he had a sudden change

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of heart where he addressed the brotherhood and he was

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very honest. He told them who he was. He told

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them that he was being chased, and he asked them

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to receive him in the brotherhood, not to hide him

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from the imminent death, but to save his soul. And

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what's incredible about him, what really moved me, is that

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he there was nothing luke warm about this wonderful person

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when he was on the dark side. He was all

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the way on the dark side. The moment he realized

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that God existed, that he was offering him salvation, he

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completely abandoned the previous life. And and that doesn't mean

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he didn't struggle. He struggled for many, many years under

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the Saint Abba Isidor, and many times he thought of

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living in a sense he thought that it was too

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much for him because he he all of a sudden

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he controlled his life. So he wanted to completely break

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free from him. And where even aby Isidor at one

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point said why are you stop fighting demons so much?

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wanted to go one step further. He just he was

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though Saint Antony didn't have that kind of past. On

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the contrary, but he he wanted to conquer with God's help,

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the devil here on earth. I mean, this is this

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in his life that at one point, when he overcame

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lost his physical strength. But then he grew even further

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more in his spiritual strength and became a priest and

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became a spiritual father of the same monastery. Now, when

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he was seventy four years old, he was the year

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four hundred and five of AD, he had seventy disciples monks,

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and which somehow somewhere it was written that he used

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to have seventy gang members when he was living a

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different life many many years before. And this is what

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really got to me, is one day he was just

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in the desert talking to his disciples, and he stood

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up and he told everybody to run and hide because

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the robbers, the murderers were coming and they were going

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to kill everybody. So his disciples, knowing how holy Saint

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knew that whatever he was saying, it was going to

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come true. But they didn't understand this kind of casual

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announcement and They asked him, well, what about you, and

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he said, oh, for me, He says, I prayed for

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this moment. I've been waiting for this moment all my

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life because I want to glorify my Lord and my savior,

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Jesus Christ, and I want to die glorify in his

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words that who takes the sword must die by the sword,

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and that's between me and God. But you don't have

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to go through this. This is not something that you

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have to do, so please leave. So everybody left, apart

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from seven brave monks who decided to stay with him,

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of them in the last minute, probably by the providence

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of God, so we would have it all, we would

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know that moment. He couldn't do it. He hid somewhere

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in the in the in the cave, and but he witnessed.

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I mean Samet moss As the Black and the six

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other martyrs were martyred that day, and the monk who

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couldn't go through with it, he came out and he witnessed,

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to each one of their souls. I was just I

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was just blown away by by this bravery, by by

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this freedom, that this incredible man who nobody would have thought, like,

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twenties and thirties doing so many terrible things, who would

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have known that this man possesses such incredible beauty in

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his heart and that he was able to give his

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heart to God and become very brave and he was

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feeling that the story of Redemption could potentially help a

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lot of people today, nowadays or at any time, first

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starting for myself and then going with everybody else, and

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relevant this story is and how powerful he is as

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a figure, and so you crossed the finish line before

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everyone else. Congratulations on that for sure.

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Speaker 2: I I've done this. I believe.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the other people didn't have the

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he helped me to cross the finish line.

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Speaker 3: Greeting's friends, cosmographers, fellow symbolists, this is Joshua from Eighth

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Day Books, inviting you to join me and studying a

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prophets from many times in places have all told us

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that contemplating the night sky makes our own souls similarly

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more beautiful and more ordered. Hebrew and Hindu, Greek and Chinese.

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as looking in, and that we are as much citizens

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of the sky as we are of earth. In February,

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we will be looking at Pythagorea and folk tales, biblical wisdom, literature,

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and contemporary novelists to ask these questions. It'll be a

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challenging course, but not technical. I teach medieval philosophy and

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Renaissance literature, and I'm condensing a year's worth of information

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some Plato, some poetry, and some practical skygazing, all to

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help us pursue the art of imitating Heaven see you

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Speaker 2: So this is the thing though, So the movie is

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the black Now. This is what people have to understand,

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like a Black American gangster movie. There you know two

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you know, pretty famous rappers play characters in it with Khalifah.

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bad in the movie. He plays the rival. He plays

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modern world. It's like it's in Chicago. It's a modern

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gang story. My biggest surprise was that Father Turbo Qualls

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was in it, which he never told me. Like I

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he's in this movie, and he was in the trailer.

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and and this is how I will definitely be happy

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to to explain how I came to that conclusion. When

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I start writing a treatment around twenty eighteen. Even though

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I was very fired up and inspired so to say

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I would write a treatment, I'd write twenty thirty pages.

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But you know, first of all, I am a writer

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and director, and I've said this a couple of times.

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I approach these things even though I'm an Orthodox Christian.

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Faith is very important part of my life. I mean,

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the most important part. I wouldn't even be alive if

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it wasn't for my faith. But that's my relationship with God,

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my personal thing. But I approached this project as a craftsman.

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You know, I've learned my craft in a really good school.

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It's called Playhouse West. And especially if I'm going to

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tackle a subject like this, and as you know very

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well yourself you know, to make films about saints or

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anything that it's spiritual in modern world, it's it's gonna

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be looked under a magnifying magnifying glass. So so if

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we don't make a film that it's very good film,

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you know, right off the bat, you're gonna you're gonna

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get to think, oh, it's another film about faith, and

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it's and it's not good. And unfortunately this is this

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is what people think about films about faith. Some of

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them are deserving of that, uh comments, some of them

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are not. But but that's usually what's going on out

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there because of the society we live in. So for me,

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even with Men of God, the first thing was like,

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I really want to make a great movie. I don't want.

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I mean, they might not like the subject, they might

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not like the story I'm telling, but no one's gonna

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be able to say, oh, it's a terrible movie.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is the first responsibility that I

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feel as as a craftsman, as a director and writer.

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That's where I start from. So so on that note,

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when I was writing the treatment, uh, you know, there's

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so many events in his life, they're wonderful, but to

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tell a story to there's one thing of writing a

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documentary or filming a documentary, bok, writing a future film,

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you really have to pick a premise that what is

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this really about? Like even with Men of God, I

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had to ask myself, what am I Okay, I can

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make ten movies about Santactarius, but what kind of film

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I'm telling about him? So it was mostly to me

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the premise of Sanatarius was about the fact that the

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unhealthy desire for power and riches ruin one soul, which

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is not a secret, but that was somehow the if

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you look at every scene, that premise is in every scene,

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and in that way, I feel that that way his

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faith is incredible. Faith and love for God really came

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to the surface in the movie and it was able

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to be shared with the world, and that this is

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how I saw it with Men of God. With this one,

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I was asking then I to asked first first time

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starting so I'm putting down everything I'm looking so to

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me looked like it was a little bit all over

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the place. It didn't have it wasn't specific, It wasn't

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clear what kind of film I was making. And as

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a writer, and I know this and if I go

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in that direction. What's gonna happen. No one's gonna care.

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Even though I might think I'm making a film about

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Moses the Black, say most of the black, and his

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story is amazing. Well, other people don't know about him.

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So it's my job to make a story that people

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can relate to, A story where say Moses can then

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do the work, you know, a story that's going to

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inspire people. Well, the story that I was writing in

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the fourth century. To be honest, even though I was

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doing a lot of rewrites, it didn't look to me

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like a feature film that I feel that I could

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honestly look investors in the eyes and say to them,

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you know, I think I have a good film here

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that can move people and change people's lives. So I

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kind of put it on the side, you know, even

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though I was very inspired, and then I was puzzled

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by this whole thing for a while. Then I thought

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maybe my creative juices were not flowing properly because I'm

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about to film the movie, so maybe that's what's going on.

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And it was after I finished Man of God there

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were a couple of things that happened that inspired me.

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One was when they the monks from a holy monastery

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of Auto Peti, because the Pedi really was one of

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the main producers in the film A Man of God,

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and they helped for the film to come to tuition,

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you know, on the fram But a couple of the

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monks that I'm friendly with, they asked me, what is

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are you thinking about any other project? And I said, well,

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to be honest, I would like to make a film

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about saying Moses the Black. But I don't know why.

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I'm a little bit stuck in the process. So they

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asked me, he says, do you want to meet with

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the father Theotemus? I said, whose father? Theotomois. There is

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a priest in Athens. He's from Congo and he's a

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Greek Orthodox priest. His sister, she's a nun.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think her name is Tecla. She's so same as

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as a black. He appeared to her and she painted

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his icon, and I said, of course, I would like

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to meet his father, the Optimus. Let's arrange the meeting

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right away. So what happened They reached out to him

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because you know, they probably I'm a filmmaker. You know,

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sometimes it's especially in the world in the church. My

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job is, like you know, I'm just a filmmaker. I

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hopefully with my work can inspire people to seek the

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truth and to come. So sometimes it's easier if somebody

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like that would call the Father instead of me going there.

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So they called him and he was very happy to

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meet with me. And when I met with him, he

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told me the story about his sister. Told me how

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this whole family became Orthodox, how he came to Greece

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and his sister at the time was deciding whether she

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was going to become a nun or not. And she

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was on the island of Columnos, and she was in

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this female monastery and the abbess, because she had a

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great skill of painting, the abbess and being from Congo,

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so abbess asked her, well, why don't you paint the

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icon of Samos is the black so and this is

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how fathers Theotimus tells me about his sister. He says,

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you know, my sister, she's got a little bit of

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a temper. So she went back to her room and

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she was like talking to herself and she said, well,

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just because I'm black, like what I'm supposed to tell

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all pay like one of Saint Moses the Black like, like,

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what do I know why these lived in the fourth century?

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I'm joking, And that was a reaction, but in her

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own like moment of like rebellion, right, she she kind

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of looked up and she said, Saint Moses, you know what,

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I'm not going to paint your icon unless you show

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me what you look like. So of course she didn't

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think much of it. Where I don't know how many

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I don't remember. I wasn't told whether it was weeks

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or months or days when did that happen. But if

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you're in Greece, if it's not summer, I mean, these

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islands like ghost towns, and this was not during the summer.

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So she was there doing her chores and one day

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a monk, old, elderly black monk in the black long

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rope comes in, walks straight up to her and starts

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speaking in Swahili, in her own language. So she is

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starting to converse with him, like not thinking much about it,

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and again father tells me, you know, my sister's got

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a temper. So after a while she felt a little

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you know, she felt like, I don't know what he

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was asking her, what kind of conversation is going on,

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but she was compelled to look at him and say,

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excuse me, who are you? What do you want from me?

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Because she's being a female novice at the monastery. And

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he told her, He says, well, what do you mean,

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what do I want from you? Didn't you ask me

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to come and show you what I look like before?

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You wanted to paint my icon? So for I don't

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know how many seconds, he was still in front of her,

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and after that he disappeared and she went and she painted,

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and I would live the icon in the movie, his icon. No,

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it's not the icon in the movie, but it's it's

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this icon.

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Speaker 2: I will show it to the vide Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And he gives me, can you imagine other Theotimos pulls

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out this is the copy of the icon and he

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hands it to me. Believe me, now, think about this.

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I'm from right live in Los Angeles for eighteen years.

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I'm from Serbia. I'm talking to Father Theotemus from Congo,

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and I'm receiving this icon. I knew at that moment

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something told me, Okay, I guess it's going to be

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another battle, another battle, because a man of God was

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the battle. But I asked, say Moses, if you really

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want me to do this, You're really going to have

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to help me, because I'm stuck. I don't know what's

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happening here. So at this point I get invited to

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another monastery in yeah, monastery dedicated to Saint David of Evia,

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and Saint Jakovos Silikis is buried in the monastery as well,

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and yet Onda Gavriel is the yet On the abbot

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of the monastery, a wonderful, wonderful abbot. So he invited

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me because you know Man of God that but this

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was to there was now a couple of years later,

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Man of God came out and and it was huge

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success in Greece. So I was invited, which I get

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a lot of these kind of requests. Yanoda wanted to

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meet with me, even though I was many times in

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the monastery. I love the monastery, but this time I

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was staying overnight. So he was trying to ask me

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if I could write a script about Saint Jakovos Silicis

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because there were some investors that wanted to do something,

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and I was very honest. I told him yonda, I

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would love to do anything. I love saints, I love

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all of them. But all I can say I can

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read about him again, and I'm going to have to

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feel if if if I connect to the story. Of

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course I'm connected to the story. I'm connected to story

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every saint. But meaning to write a film because not

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every story I can you know, I mean everybody is

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connected to something. Again, I'm talking about as an artist, like,

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is this something that I can deliver? It doesn't mean

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somebody else cannot deliver. But I was being honest to him.

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I said, I don't know if I can deliver this.

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I will read it, but I will if I don't

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deliver it, then I'm gonna find somebody who can do it.

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And he was no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: I want you to.

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Speaker 1: So so it takes me downstairs. Now, this is before

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we have to go to sleep, and it's dark and

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it's pretty cold, and he says, no, you're gonna sit

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here in front of in front of the tomb of

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Iosiakovos and and just pray to him. And he gave

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me the blanket to cover myself. So I was, oh,

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this is of course, I'm gonna be obedient and I'm grateful.

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If anything, it's amazing to sit there in peace and

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to pray to God, to saints. I mean, how much

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better you can get? But in my own mind, I

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in a way, if I can say this, I told

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you Santiago, I'm sorry. I mean, I don't know what

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am I exactly supposed to pray for. But it was

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particularly at that moment while I was thinking about different

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things and praying that I saw vividly. I saw Chicago

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because naturally, Saint Moses is in my mind because that's

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what I want to do. I saw Chicago, I saw

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the funeral, I saw the shootout. I've seen parts of

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the film, and I was like, and this, I really

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credit this to Jeronda, who who's very holy, because even

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though he was being cheeky and telling me to sit

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there and pray, but it really led to for me

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to resolve my to get this proper guidance on how

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I should do the film about Saint Moses. And this

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is what happened that day. And after that I realized

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something else. I said, Wow, this now is a film

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that can be told. This is where I believe that

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if I can do this properly, Saint Moses can then

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be introduced into this new world, into a different world

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and inspire a lot of people. But in order to

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do that then I had to do a lot of

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research and I had to go and meet with the

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people from inner city of Chicago, from West side of

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Chicago in particular. The film is about and was. I

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feel blessed to that. I was blessed to have met

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a gentleman called Reginald A. Kim Berry who was incarcerated

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for seventeen years. He was one of the chiefs on

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one of the big gangs many many years ago in Chicago.

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He was in prison for many years. He was in

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00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:55,039
solitary confinement for nine years and in humane environment. And

477
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,640
he's been out now for seventeen years helping people not

478
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,319
to all into destructive life style. So this is who

479
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:09,359
I met through one of our investors, Greek American investor.

480
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,759
His name is Alex Piicios. He's one of my main investors,

481
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,440
and he introduced me. He's good friends with Reggie with

482
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:19,079
a kim And And when I met Reggie, I presented

483
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,240
Saint Moses. I showed him, you know, usually I would

484
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,119
I would carry this this little booklet that we get

485
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,680
at the Fellowship of Saint Moses the Black and I

486
00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:30,880
told him the story of Saint Moses, and I told

487
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,759
him that I already had about sixty pages written down.

488
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:36,880
The name of the character was called the Man, the

489
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,400
girl was called the girl. But I already had some

490
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,759
dialogue the grandmother. I already had things down. But I

491
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,960
told him, I need somebody to help me to tell

492
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,319
an honest story about your about the gangster, because if

493
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:52,400
the story of the Gangster is not honest, then the

494
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,279
story of Saint Moses is not going to be able

495
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:59,000
to penetrate in the same way. Because the truth is

496
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:03,519
what I believe that speaks volumes, and it's if we

497
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:09,519
are truthful I believe, then hopefully God can bless our

498
00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:13,759
efforts and what we do. So this is what happened,

499
00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:16,480
and thanks to I call them my brothers and sisters

500
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,279
from the West Side of Chicago that I've met many

501
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:23,079
times with. They've also at the end of the whole script,

502
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:30,000
they've also made sure that my dialogue was in the slang.

503
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:32,279
I don't use all the words that you've heard that

504
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:35,079
this is their slang. They just converted it into their slang.

505
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,400
I respectfully ask them if they can keep certain words

506
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,000
to a minimum, but not to lose the truthfulness of

507
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,559
the thing. But we don't want And what's interesting they

508
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:47,119
said to me, you know, thank you. I mean, we

509
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:48,839
like the fact that you asked us to do that,

510
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,480
because when we see ourselves, supposedly ourselves in the movies,

511
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,519
we don't really talk like that, like, yes, maybe we

512
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:58,200
say bad words here and there, but it's not as

513
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,119
excessive as they portray us. So so interestingly enough that

514
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:04,880
that that came out when when when you're working together.

515
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,319
So thanks to them, and obviously number one, thanks the

516
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:11,839
same old as the Black I was able to put

517
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,279
a really good script together that inspired them with Khalifa

518
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:22,160
fifty cent and other omar Apps and other people, because

519
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,319
they realized that this is a story of redemption, story

520
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:28,920
that it's very necessary to be told nowadays, story that

521
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,599
can resonate with many people, many different levels, and it

522
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:33,839
can be helpful to the society. And this is why

523
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,359
these people became part of the moth.

524
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to say that the slang element was

525
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:44,160
very marked for me because you know, I'm a French Canadian.

526
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:47,839
You know, English is my second language. And although I

527
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,599
you know, I have lived in the US quite a bit,

528
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,759
there there were moments where I had to like go

529
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:56,079
on the Urban Dictionary to know like what they were saying,

530
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,480
because there were some words were being repeated. I was like,

531
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:01,440
what is that? What is they? What are they referring to?

532
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,160
And so I have to confess my my very kind

533
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,160
of Canadian background. But it did. It did for that reason,

534
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,839
Like you said, it felt like this was I when

535
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,640
I saw that you had written it, I was surprised

536
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,519
because I I when I was watching, I was like,

537
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:21,079
for sure, this is written by someone from that culture

538
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,720
because because of the slang was so so much part

539
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:27,480
of the of the of the storytelling. And so yeah,

540
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,960
so I think in that case, you you definitely did

541
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:32,279
a surprising, a surprising work.

542
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: Uh.

543
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,279
Speaker 2: And so I'm curious. I mean, I'm kind of curious

544
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:37,640
to know because obviously the movie's not out yet, you've

545
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,759
probably had people watch it. Because the one big question

546
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:48,839
I had when I was watching it was Man of God.

547
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,640
It is clear who that movie's for, Like as as

548
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,119
an orthodox Christian I come see it, I think it's

549
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:58,559
it's it is for everyone. This movie. It was like,

550
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,119
this is the weird movie in the sense that I've

551
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:04,319
never seen something like this. I don't if there's another

552
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:06,200
movie like it. I was trying to recall and I

553
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,920
don't think I have I have a version of it,

554
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:10,480
and so.

555
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: Well, pulp fiction, even though this has nothing to do

556
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,440
with this. When it came out, you haven't seen it.

557
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,319
Speaker 2: You said, I've never seen something like this, because it

558
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:20,559
is a it is a gang like. It's clearly a

559
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:23,039
gang movie, you know it, And and I could see

560
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,079
it has precedents, like there are precedents for these kinds

561
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:31,000
of kind of of gang movies. But because of the

562
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,279
the interspersing of the story of Saint Moses, you know,

563
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:37,240
and kind of the way that the redemption story happens.

564
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,240
Because I don't want to spoil anything in the movie,

565
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,920
but this is not the type of redemption story that

566
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,839
people are used to seeing in a Hollywood setting.

567
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: But I would call it like.

568
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:57,279
Speaker 2: Flowery redemption, Yes, flowery redemption. Yes it's not it's not

569
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:01,680
a there isn't this sense of you know, breaking free

570
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:04,319
and then you know, going on and it's like, no,

571
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:09,039
it's a much harser it's a much harsher redemption. And

572
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:11,640
so yeah, I'm just curious to hear like some of

573
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,640
the reactions from different people that have been watching it,

574
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,559
like even from the like people like fifty cent Whiskily

575
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:20,440
for the people that are in the movie, like what

576
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:23,039
is their take on what is their take on this story?

577
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: Well, to me, the most important thing, and this is

578
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,960
going to be connected with my answer, is that people

579
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,559
that live that life, or they lived or they still

580
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:37,039
live this life, can see themselves in it and that

581
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,920
it will inspire them to change. This was the number

582
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,279
one thing that I wanted to achieve with this film.

583
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,039
So everybody else that they can still find something in it.

584
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:54,160
And it's it's an exciting movie to watch, but it's

585
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,680
really the cases people that don't believe that they can

586
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:03,039
be forgiven for things they have done. And I'm gonna

587
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:05,519
and I'm gonna give you any one example. When I

588
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:09,800
was talking to Father Paul Abernati from Pittsburgh. He he

589
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,159
is the pastor in the Orthodox Church of Saint Moses

590
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,480
the Black and they have an excellent h it's a

591
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:19,719
neighborhood resilience program. They do a lot of work to

592
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,760
uh to get people off the streets and get them

593
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,079
away from the life of crime. There was one gentleman there.

594
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:30,599
This was before I spoke to my executive producer, now

595
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,159
Reginald Kimberry in Chicago, there was one gentleman there that

596
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,840
was in the gangs, and many of them were, but

597
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,400
now they're no longer. And what they do in Pittsburgh

598
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,079
in a neighborhood resilience program, they do a really dangerous work.

599
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,360
They go on the street and they do these interventions

600
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,719
with gangs, with young gangsters. And this is something because

601
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,800
the young gangsters will not respond to anybody other than

602
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,159
a former gangster. They're not gonna You're not going to

603
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:01,480
be able to convince and to pro young gangster unless

604
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:04,800
you had a past as a gangster. So that's why

605
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,079
usually people that have had that kind of past are

606
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:11,719
the best people to speak to these young guys and

607
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,199
men and women and to convince them, hopefully to give

608
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,840
up that lifestyle and to to to make them understand

609
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,800
that that they have the soul that's really valuable and

610
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,039
that dying at nineteen twenty twenty one going the way

611
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,800
that they're usually going, it's it's it's not the way

612
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,719
to go. So one of these gentlemen, his name is Antoine.

613
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,440
I don't know if I should, but but he he's

614
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,280
what father Paul told me. And then we had the

615
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,920
same discussion. This is within the same question that you've

616
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,239
asked me. He asked me. It's interesting when I when

617
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,599
you're talking to me about the redemption that you want

618
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:51,800
to place in this film that kind of matches the

619
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,719
redemption of Saint Moses the Black. It's interesting when I

620
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,639
spoke to my friend and I asked him, sometimes, why

621
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,840
do you, I know, notice every like three times a

622
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,039
week that would go and they would go end up

623
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,320
in the very they would throw themselves in very dangerous situations.

624
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,559
But particularly this gentleman, he would go out of his

625
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:14,000
way to like fearlessly go and and get in the

626
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,119
middle of even a gunfight, to to to like prevent

627
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,760
it and to uh stop the gun violence. And and

628
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,760
and father told me. I pulled him aside, and I said,

629
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,880
I don't one, why do you do this? And he said,

630
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,159
in a very humble way, he said, Father, because saying

631
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:36,199
sorry sometimes is not just enough.

632
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: It's not enough.

633
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:43,119
Speaker 1: So this is where uh, people that that that that

634
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,280
have lived that kind of life will live that kind

635
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,599
of life will really the story will resonate because redemption

636
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,519
here is is very deep. It's it's and and many

637
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:55,760
times I've spoken to a lot of pastors that that

638
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,519
that they've heard a lot of confessions from from the

639
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:01,039
young gangsters or people that change their lives. Is the

640
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,639
hardest thing for them to believe is that they can

641
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:06,000
be forgiven. That They just have a very hard time

642
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,239
with with with with the fact that they actually can

643
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,119
be forgiven for what they have done. So this is

644
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:15,599
why I have chosen to make the film like this,

645
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,920
because I'm trying to reach them. I'm trying to reach

646
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:24,000
these souls there. So many of them are wonderful, just

647
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:27,280
like say Moses the Black was, but they don't know

648
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,000
any better. And and and this is why I made

649
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:33,559
a movie like this. So I don't know. Hopefully this

650
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,719
answers the question.

651
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,199
Speaker 2: No, I think no, I think it. I think it.

652
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:43,480
It does. But it is I mean, it is surprising.

653
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:48,960
It is surprising in the sense that I mean it's

654
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,920
the I think it's also because of the people involved.

655
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,920
Because of the people involved, some of these people they

656
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,119
are gangster personas, like they have gangster personas. I don't

657
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:02,079
know about their real life or whatever, but they inhabit

658
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:04,800
that kind of persona. And so because the movie is

659
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:10,440
about the redemption or the possible redemption, that's why in

660
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,760
some ways, even that makes me curious. You know, it's

661
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,920
like it's an anti gangster gangster movie, you know, if

662
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,760
you know what I mean.

663
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:23,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well we forget sometimes we like I'm privileged

664
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:27,960
to live a life at least right now, I'm healthy.

665
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:32,480
I don't live within the reach of gun violence. I

666
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:38,159
can go to church anytime I like, I have somewhat

667
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,800
of a peaceful hopefully progress. And it's never peaceful. You know,

668
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,800
you get a lot of opposition from inside and out

669
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:48,800
all the time when you're when you're on the spiritual path.

670
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:53,679
But you know, now I lost my train of I

671
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,360
was trying to say something forgive me, but but yeah,

672
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,280
it's uh, yeah, this is what I wanted to say.

673
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,239
But we forget something. Our Lord Jesus Christ, he sat

674
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:09,519
many times and eight with harlets and sinners, and he's

675
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:15,920
still sitting and eating with harlets and sinners. So let's

676
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,840
not forget about that, you know. So sometimes we and

677
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,519
that's what I'm at least trying for myself, not to becoming.

678
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,840
And this is something that Father Moses Barry told me

679
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,920
when I went to get a blessing from him to

680
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,239
make the film. Really know that I met with him.

681
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,400
I met with him. I went with the father Justin

682
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,920
Matthews to South Missouri. And it was for Father Paul

683
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,679
Abernetti that that that initiated all that, and he gave

684
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,559
me his blessing. But one thing he told me, and

685
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,639
I remember, he said, you see the icon of Saint Moses,

686
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,920
the black icon of same mayor of Egypt. You know,

687
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,440
to mention, as you know, in Orthodoxy, we dedicated the

688
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,760
whole week fifteen weeks of the Great Lent is dedicated

689
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,159
to Saint Mary of Egypt. This incredible story of repentance.

690
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,800
But it is a a lot of people, uh Like

691
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,719
for example, they they don't realize they come and venerate

692
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,760
the icon of same area of Egypt, same Moses, the

693
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,719
black but they just think about them after the fact,

694
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:15,800
after like like they obviously, when we venerate the icons,

695
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,320
we venerate the holy Spirit that glorified them, that that

696
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:22,719
sanctified them. But what we do, we don't We don't worship.

697
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,119
That's what people don't understand orthodox If we only worship God,

698
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:31,000
we just venerate and respect the saints. But it's like

699
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:35,760
what father Moses, who also himself was is from South

700
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,599
side of Chicago and was in prison at one point

701
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,039
in his life, and then he came and he was freed,

702
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,360
and and and then he and and he had was

703
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,119
in his own journey to find God and became Orthodox priests.

704
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,000
He said to me, just please remember this. I am.

705
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:53,880
A lot of people come to me today and they

706
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,199
and they they're very happy with with how I am

707
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,960
and and and they love what I do. But I am.

708
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:04,599
I am not just what I am today. What I

709
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:07,599
am is what I was before and what I am today.

710
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,000
The same thing goes through Saint Moses the Black. What's

711
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,920
incredible about him is that he had this incredible repentance

712
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,199
and without his life. That doesn't mean that we have

713
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,039
to live a life of a gangster to have repentance

714
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:21,119
so we can be saved. No, that's not what I'm

715
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:24,960
trying to say. But he said, these people, their life

716
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,440
has to be looked at as a whole to be

717
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:31,920
fully understood and and and fully venerated. You know, so

718
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,400
so and then he said, so so people that come

719
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,440
to church and venerate Saint Moses the Black and same

720
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,000
area regit. But they see a gangster or or a

721
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:44,519
harlot and judge them. They should not really be doing

722
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,039
that they're missing the point. So this is this is

723
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,320
I know it's a little bit of hardcore what I'm saying,

724
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,440
but but it is the truth, you know. So so

725
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,039
so that comes to what Saint Moses himself. One of

726
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:58,199
the most amazing he said many things that are recorded

727
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,679
and written down, but one of the main things, beautiful

728
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,360
things that he said. He said that one who sees

729
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,480
his own sin doesn't see sin in another. So that's

730
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,920
how that's how we know how high spiritually we progress

731
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,400
in our life once we that doesn't mean that we

732
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:18,719
won't be bothered by certain things by certain people. It's normal.

733
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,360
But if we judge others, judging is something else. That

734
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,880
means that we are not really seeing ourselves properly. And

735
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:30,199
that's just a check for us to kind of pay

736
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,480
attention to what's going on inside of ourselves.

737
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and there is you know, in the stories

738
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:39,360
in Moses, there's some interesting little tidbits where he kind

739
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,480
of how can I say that, there are moments where

740
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:45,039
he's able to turn his gangster persona, you know, to

741
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,679
the service of the other monks of this whole accidental

742
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,239
stopping of the robbers, where he didn't really do anything

743
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,320
we don't know exactly what he did, but he was

744
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,639
able to stop a band of robbers from yeah exactly here.

745
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,960
Course he kind of sugges, yes, that he really didn't,

746
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,440
you know, you just they just tripped it, you know,

747
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:04,159
like I didn't really do anything.

748
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,039
Speaker 1: But you know, he overpowered them, and and and he

749
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,480
was he brought him in front of the abb would

750
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:14,159
drop them and he said, I'm I'm like lower lowest

751
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,440
of the low. I'm I'm charge nobody, you decide their faith.

752
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,559
Speaker 2: So yes, he and there's still I hear this from

753
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:25,360
This is from a Coptic priest, so he can take

754
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,599
the responsibility for his story. But he tells me that

755
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,360
the relics of Saint Moses are are in Egypt, you

756
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,280
know they they're visited by Christians and Muslims. People wait

757
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,960
in line to come and visit the relics. Uh. And

758
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,480
they're a monk who sits next to the relic that

759
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,639
the sarcophagus is huge, that he's he was a giant.

760
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:46,559
You know, who knows how big he was a giant.

761
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,519
And he sits in front of the relics and he

762
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,920
whispers to Saint Moses when people come and bring their petitions,

763
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,440
and he tells me that the that the the whole

764
00:43:56,519 --> 00:44:01,360
tomb starts to shake, uh, and people get healed, you know,

765
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,239
by saying, oh, so there's still a little bit of

766
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:09,800
gangster agster way. Well, this huge argo just starts shaking

767
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,280
when people come and ask for his uh you know,

768
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,760
asked to be healed from there from their illness.

769
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: He's a great saint, a great a great saint. And

770
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,400
speaking of Father Turbo, you know now we you asked

771
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,679
me what happened to Father Turbo. I met Father and

772
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,760
I had this idea. As a matter of fact, it

773
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,480
was a friend of mine. His name is Paris. Paris.

774
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:35,400
He did a videography in uh At. On the set,

775
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,360
he did quite a few interviews. He he gave me

776
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,079
that idea, and I'm like, well, I know Father Turbo

777
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:45,159
quite well. So I took him up on it and

778
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:49,760
I and I called Father Turbo and uh, I was

779
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,519
shy about it. I said, Father, I have a maybe, Uh,

780
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,519
forgive me if my question is a little bit unorthodox,

781
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,440
if if it's completely inappropriate, just please give me and

782
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:03,519
ignore it. Don't even forget about the fact that I've

783
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:06,960
asked you. But I need to ask you would you

784
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,079
be interested to play an Orthodox priest in a movie?

785
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:13,599
I mean, you will be playing there's nothing in your role,

786
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,440
which as you could see, I mean you were just

787
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,760
playing the priest. And I would and he said, yeah, sure,

788
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,519
I would. Let me read the script first. I'm like, really,

789
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,840
he said no, yeah, of course, I have to get

790
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,639
a blessing from from our my bishop. He's Serbian. I'm Serbian,

791
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,199
so so he's you know, how we are. You know,

792
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,119
I'm sure he's okay with it. I'm like great, and

793
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,800
he said, but send me the script. So I sent

794
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,639
him the script and he was in London at the time,

795
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,320
so I was waiting patiently. So I remember he texted

796
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,519
me he said, good stuff.

797
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 2: I want to do it.

798
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,079
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, let me just at least speak

799
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:48,639
to him. So when he was back, I said, father,

800
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,920
so you really want to do this? Is absolutely he said,

801
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,920
the script is real, and because it's real, I want

802
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,159
to do it. Otherwise no one's going to care. And

803
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:01,000
this was this was his answer. And when he he

804
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:03,079
also interviewed me and if you and there's something I

805
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,840
can quote him because I say to people, this is

806
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,159
not for very young you know, there's a language there

807
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:09,480
is you.

808
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: Know, it's it's I you know, I.

809
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,159
Speaker 1: Wouldn't under fourteen or fifteen, I wouldn't. I wouldn't go

810
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:18,559
and see this film. But because of the violence and

811
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:22,199
some language. But he said, I said, it's probably going

812
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,840
to be R rated, and he stopped. He said, let

813
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,400
me stop you there, because I'm giving my seal of approval.

814
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,360
I read the script. I've seen what you've done. It's

815
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,440
R rated, but it's a rated. It's a double R

816
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:41,760
for real repentance, for real R for real repentance. You know,

817
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,719
I'm like, so, I'm giving my seal control. I'm like

818
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,679
father and all that. He's not a great, amazing job.

819
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,760
Omar Apps, who is an incredible actor. He told me,

820
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,960
you know, im, did he ever act before? Because he

821
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:58,559
was so real, he was so there. I said, no,

822
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:01,719
he's not. He hasn't, but he's really done a fantastic job.

823
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, And there's a little scene like where you know,

824
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,119
I get the sense that you really did it on purpose.

825
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,920
There's this there's a little scene where the shot picks

826
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,519
up all these tattoos that are kind of coming out

827
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:16,199
of the sleeve of his uh, you know, of his

828
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,280
investment and it I mean it makes you feel like, Okay,

829
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,960
this this priest has a story which would make him

830
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:26,239
understand the Omar character like he has he has a

831
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,039
he has a history. You know, there's something there and

832
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:32,559
so that you you immediately kind of see the connection,

833
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,159
like a deeper possible connection between the two characters.

834
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, absolutely, And and and there was one there

835
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,679
was a we obviously filmed. We filmed in an Orthodox church,

836
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,199
but there was a shot that we needed to pick

837
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,679
up of Omar walking to the church that we didn't

838
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:53,480
film at that particular church because there was there were

839
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:56,320
better options to shoot it for lighting purposes and the

840
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,039
way it looked outside, So it was a different It

841
00:47:58,039 --> 00:47:59,880
was not an Orthodox church the one that we shot.

842
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:01,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

843
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then the father in there was a Baptist church.

844
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,480
So this is a this is an amazing story. I

845
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,920
can share this with you. Incredible priest. And he was

846
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,480
really humble. And and then I come in with Reginald

847
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,480
the King Barry, who was he's got a very deep fate,

848
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:21,880
but he's an ex chief and gangster and he's still

849
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,239
wearing some of the I don't know what's on some

850
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,440
of on his T shirts so so the father sees him,

851
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,119
and you should have seen the encounter between them too.

852
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:34,079
And I'm just standing there and goes like, excuse me,

853
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,920
what is that on your chest? And and Reggie's just

854
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,199
got oh, it's nothing, it's just and and then the

855
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,679
father just looking at him like this. Well, it turns

856
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,920
out that the father of this church, the priest of

857
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,800
the church, that he was in the gang before, and

858
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,480
he was in a rival gang. He knew exactly. So

859
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:57,679
they after that day they spoke and they was it

860
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,039
was all good. And and he also was interview Fairies

861
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:04,320
interviewed him as well, and he gave an amazing interview,

862
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,719
saying that he's been a pastor for over twenty thirty years,

863
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,599
and he says, I was on the streets, I was

864
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:13,199
doing terrible things and if God can save me, he

865
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,039
can save anybody. So that's another example. So so there

866
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:20,440
are a lot of people out there that have amazing stories.

867
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,320
And Saint Moses the Black I mean, I don't know

868
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,280
you're telling me about what's happening in Egypt and the monastery,

869
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,559
but there are a lot of stories of his appearances

870
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,199
here in the US. And it usually happens with people

871
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,280
they're incarcerated or they're going through a lot of trouble.

872
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:42,320
That he appears quite often to people and it's been

873
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,239
recorded and people talk about it.

874
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes that makes sense that he would appear

875
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:50,880
in America and so so tell me a little bit,

876
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:53,719
how is this going to come out? Like, what is

877
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,199
the how do can people see this? What's the distribution?

878
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: Well, the film is coming out on January thirty. For me,

879
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:06,840
I love I mean I go by Serbian calendar that's

880
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,519
like Russian or in Mantatos, So January thirtieth follows on

881
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:14,119
Saint Antony the Great. I love Saint Antony's Great, so

882
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:17,119
that that that that kind of it's special to me.

883
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,480
So it's coming out on January thirtieth, and it's going

884
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:25,360
to be in theaters nationwide in the United States. It's

885
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,519
first coming out in the United States, and we're hoping

886
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:31,039
to have it obviously in Canada and in Europe. I

887
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:35,159
know Greece will see it, I believe first week of April.

888
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,320
Serbia would like to release it on middle of March,

889
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,480
but Middle East has already bought the film. The West

890
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,199
Africa wants to release, so that it's going to be worldwide.

891
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,639
But but it's first starting here because it's a story

892
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,320
of a gangster in Chicago, and I think that's why

893
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,320
it's probably the best to start in the US, and

894
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,480
hopefully it's going to But also I want to say

895
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,719
this that tickets are on sale already, so please, I

896
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,679
want to I want to let your audience know that

897
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,159
it's very important that we if people can buy the tickets,

898
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:14,000
they're available everywhere at Fandango, AMC, Regal, Cinema, all the

899
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:17,639
major platforms. And if people can get tickets and more

900
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:19,920
tickets we sell, the longer the film is going to

901
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,719
stay in the theater. So please support the film. Tickets

902
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,079
are already on sale and the film is coming out

903
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,840
on the thirtieth of January nationwide in the United States.

904
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,519
Speaker 2: All right, well you heard Youlana, Go and get your

905
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:35,400
tickets in advance. That way the film can have a

906
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,719
long stay in the cinema and can hopefully have as

907
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,320
much impact as it's as it can have, and through

908
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,719
the blessing of Saint Moses as well, and so maybe

909
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,480
we can finish what I mean, after doing Man of

910
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:50,000
God and this, these two projects in some ways are

911
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,039
very different from each other. You know what, is your

912
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:56,039
next vision? What are you working on? If you can

913
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:58,239
share it, well, I can.

914
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,039
Speaker 1: There are a couple of things floating.

915
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: Uh.

916
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:07,079
Speaker 1: There is another Saint that that I am intrigued by.

917
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,840
He died, he was martyred in the United States in eighties.

918
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,400
His name is Saint John of Santa Cruz. I'm pretty

919
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,519
much I'm quite fascinated with his story. I'm starting to

920
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:23,920
develop the script. There is also there is a script

921
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,760
out there about Saint Seraphim of Sorrow that I feel,

922
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,599
you know, I would like to dive into. I think,

923
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:34,599
sorry s St. St. Serafim Sorrow and also Saint Seraphin Rose.

924
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:38,400
That's what I wanted to say, a movie on Rose

925
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:42,400
Serafin Rose, which is really really amazing. I mean, I

926
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,199
think there are so many great stories out there, and

927
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,280
again it doesn't mean I'm going to direct them all.

928
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:53,679
And now obviously I'm here to help others as well,

929
00:52:55,119 --> 00:53:00,199
talented UH writers and directors that they maybe have some

930
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,719
good ideas about stories of the Saints that can be

931
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,079
told in our contemporary world. With the purpose of telling

932
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,519
some wonderful stories that can inspire people, help people, and

933
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,159
make some good films. You know that that at the

934
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,760
same time. So I'm hoping that this will open the

935
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,960
doors for me as well, not only for me, but

936
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,719
also for other people to do the same. But there

937
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,400
are so many great I mean stories of the saints

938
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,480
are are incredible. I mean, there there is a center

939
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:32,920
Adora Alexandria that that's that's another incredible story. I don't

940
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,960
know if you know her story, but as a lady

941
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:41,360
who was uh, she was married and and and and

942
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,440
then she I believe cheated on her husband and she

943
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,719
felt so terrible about it that she ran away to

944
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,559
the monastery and he didn't even know where she was

945
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:53,480
for so many years. And then she she ended up

946
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:57,079
going to the monastery pretending she was a man, and

947
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:00,119
she lived in the monastery until she died, and she there.

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It's an incredible prosecution, and they found out she was

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a woman only after her repose. That that that's to

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me like incredible story as well to tell. So there's

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so many amazing story of the saints that that's so.

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Speaker 2: I'll definitely be looking forward to see what it is

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that you come up.

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Speaker 1: With that And what's interesting about the reason I think

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about stories of the saints are powerful because there are

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people that lived some of them long ago, some of

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them not that long ago. And and I feel that

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we can relate to their lives because there were people

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like us. They just they made different choices than most

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of us. But they they they certainly to me, they

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always gave me courage and strength to carry on. And

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I and and that's why I think these stories are

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very important.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much, thanks for your time, and thanks

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for your vision. And everybody, yeah, pay attention and go

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get your tickets. Thanks a lot.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me.

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