WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:04.679 All right, what's going on? Drivetime on a Wednesday afternoon? 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:08.000 About nine minutes past the I got feedback, all right, 3 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:11.279 about nine minutes past the hour, two o'clock on this 4 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:12.160 Wednesday afternoon. 5 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:14.679 It's clear and sunny, just a little cold. We had 6 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:18.160 our coldest night of the year last night, but about 7 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:19.079 forty two degrees. 8 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:22.399 The sun is shining here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 9 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:24.320 And as it is every single day, it's going to 10 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:25.160 have you long for the ride. 11 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:25.760 Spence Check. 12 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:28.399 It's behind the mic Porter Larson, just a few blocks 13 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:32.159 away from where I'm at today producing the program. 14 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:33.359 Where am I at today? 15 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:38.640 Well, I'm at a surprisingly crowded beer bar for two 16 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:41.119 ten on a Wednesday. I'm not sure why so many 17 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:44.079 people are day drinking today. Well I might know, but 18 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:47.479 it's kind of hoppening here. So come on buy and 19 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:50.840 join us on this Wednesday afternoon. If your chances are 20 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:55.200 you're either looking to celebrate or drown your sorrows, let 21 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:58.240 me just say things are never as good or bad 22 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:00.960 as they seem, and we'll how to put that aside. 23 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.200 But come on down and have a good time. 24 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:04.879 With us here at beer bar won sixty one ees 25 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:07.719 two hundred south. Of course, this is the spot that 26 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.000 is owned by Ty Burrell, Nick Romondo. My guy's rich, 27 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:16.760 good people, and they've got all the MILS games, no blackouts. 28 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:17.719 They have Apple TV. 29 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:21.640 Unfortunately that no longer includes Rayal Salt Lake as they 30 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:23.239 have been ousted. We are going to do a little 31 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.719 RSL autopsy. We have not done that yet because we've 32 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:30.879 been pretty packed with our BYU Utah football coverage, and 33 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.000 of course we'll continue to be packed with that today 34 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:37.959 as well. But here at beer Bar, I will incentivize 35 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:39.840 you to come by and say what's up. I have 36 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:46.439 ten passes for our ESPN seven hundred ultimate tailgate for 37 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:50.200 the BYU Utah football game. So our tailgate's awesome. We 38 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:54.079 have Kraft cocktails with our good friends at Clearwater Distilling. 39 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:58.359 We have free food from Wingers Waters Sodas if you're 40 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:01.000 not into the alcohol thing. So I've got ten of 41 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:03.760 them and I'm gonna give away two per person. So 42 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:06.200 that essentially is the first five people to roll in 43 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:09.759 here and say what's up? But only two per person 44 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:12.439 here at beer Bar, So come on in if it's 45 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:13.400 your thing, grab a beer. 46 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:15.840 If it's not, you can grab a little. 47 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:18.800 Top of Chico over there, but they've got great brats 48 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:22.120 and fries, sausages, burgers. I'm told they're about to release 49 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.120 a garlic burger over the next few weeks, but that's 50 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:28.159 not available today. So come on out to Beer Bar 51 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:30.919 Beer till six o'clock tonight at one sixty one two 52 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:35.039 hundred south here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 53 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:36.759 All right, A lot to do on this Wednesday. 54 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.599 As I reference, we will kind of put a little 55 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:42.400 bow on the season that was for our local soccer 56 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:45.400 club for RSL and talk about what could be next 57 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:48.759 with the off season. Conka caf is a reality, so 58 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:51.919 Pablo Masjoetti will hop on the show today. I always 59 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.439 enjoy my conversation through the head coach, Pablo, the head 60 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:58.759 coach of RSL, Pablo Mastuenti, one of our favorite BYU goobs, 61 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:03.159 Spencer Linton from BYU TV, Sweet Guy. We'll get with 62 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:07.240 Spencer today to talk BYU Utah Football. Will continue the 63 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:11.000 college football conversation with Josh Pates, one of. 64 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:12.719 My favorites to football with. 65 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:16.400 Of course, his college football podcast has become wildly popular, 66 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:20.000 so we'll bring in Josh pay today. Things have gone 67 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.240 in the wrong direction for the Utah Hockey Club. They 68 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:27.280 got smoked by Winnipeg three zero last night. They have 69 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:30.240 now lost six of their last excuse me, yeah, six 70 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.319 of their last seven games, and if you expand it out, 71 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:37.159 they now have lost eight of their last ten games 72 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:39.159 now that I'm looking at this. So we'll do a 73 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:41.479 little hockey today behind the glass with Neil Smith, the 74 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:44.879 former general manager of the New York Rangers and New 75 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:48.120 York Islanders, and then the voice of the Utes himself, 76 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:52.960 Bill Riley, potentially live today down at beer Bar. Not sure, 77 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:56.639 Ryle's has a busy afternoon. Ran into him earlier today 78 00:03:57.039 --> 00:04:00.960 at the studios, the Broadway Media Studios. So as we 79 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:02.680 do every day, we'll bounce around, we'll do a little 80 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:05.919 bit of everything. We'll do some NBA as the Utah 81 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:09.199 Jazz have the night off tonight. They're gonna be in 82 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:12.240 Milwaukee tomorrow, which typically is a tough task, but that 83 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.319 game will feature two teams that are one and. 84 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:18.199 Six right now, so really bad start for the Jazz. 85 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:21.680 As we've talked about it, it is by design, so we'll 86 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:23.480 get to some jazz stuff. But of course I speed 87 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:27.319 ahead to the college football weekend. I speed ahead to 88 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:30.720 the weekend in pro football as well. The NFL trade 89 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:34.680 deadline came and went yesterday afternoon, and we'll get you 90 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:35.639 some takeaways from that. 91 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:38.879 You're week ten. I can't believe it. You're week ten. 92 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:43.160 Weekend of college football will begin tomorrow nights in Baltimore 93 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:46.480 at M and T Bank Stadium, where the Bengals roll 94 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.360 into town to take on the Ravens. Ironically enough, the 95 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:50.959 Bengals are really good on the road, but they just 96 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:52.879 don't went at home. They're three and one on the road, 97 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:55.399 Ravens three and one at home. Baltimore is about a 98 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.079 six point five point favorite there, So. 99 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:00.680 Right around the corner football will be back. So we'll 100 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:02.120 get to some of that on the show today. 101 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:04.839 And of course, the latest on the Utes, the latest 102 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.920 on the Cougars, the latest on the rivalry game coming 103 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.759 up on Saturday eight to fifteen is the kick time 104 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.560 at Rice Cycle Stadium, And don't forget you can hear 105 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:18.480 our pregame coverage beginning at four fifteen, four hours of 106 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:22.560 pregame coverage for you guys. Porter Larson, Isaacasiada and others 107 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:25.439 will have that show for you. The spread for the 108 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:29.439 game on Saturday night has moved back towards BYU, so 109 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:33.439 it opened at five, moved down to four, and then 110 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:35.120 settled for a little bit at three and a half, 111 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.360 and as of about three hours ago now it's back 112 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:40.439 up to four, so BYU is still somewhat of a 113 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:43.600 healthy favorite to win the game. Coming up on Saturday, 114 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:48.279 the first edition of the CFP rankings were released, and 115 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:51.120 people are upset because I guess that's what the deal is. 116 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.279 We're gonna get to some of that stuff as we 117 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:55.079 now can kind of put aside the ap pole. It 118 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.160 is irrelevant, It does not matter anymore. This is the 119 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:02.319 only poll that matters. So Pablo mashed you, Annie, Spencer, Litton, 120 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:06.000 Josh Peyton, Neil Smith, Bill Riley, A Powerhouse guest list 121 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.199 for you guys on a Wednesday, me Spence checkets all 122 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:09.720 all of you. 123 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:11.360 The great listeners were live here. 124 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:14.000 Today at beer bar in just a couple of blocks 125 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:15.959 away is where we find the producer of this program. 126 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.240 His name is Porter Larsen. Happy Wednesday, pal, How you 127 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:20.680 doing I'd be Wednesday? 128 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:23.680 Back atches Spencer doing well. How are you? 129 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:24.279 I'm well? 130 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:25.439 I wish I were a beer bar. 131 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:28.959 Well, come on down, just put it push the button 132 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:30.759 that says, stay on air and then just walk off 133 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:32.879 over here and grab a sausage and a beer. 134 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:35.920 Well, speaking of that, sorry about the the echo there 135 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.040 at the at the beginning. You know, when we started 136 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:40.920 with the new board, there were a lot of issues 137 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:41.680 that were. 138 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:43.720 No, no, I'm not aware of any of those issues 139 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:45.040 with a new board. I know what you're talking about. 140 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:46.240 Well, there were a lot of issues that were out 141 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.839 of our control, out of my control, stuff like that. 142 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:51.639 That one was not I literally saw the button that 143 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:53.519 would send you an echo, and for some reason, I 144 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:55.759 just I pressed it. 145 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:58.240 Oh sir, you're just trying to cause problems. You're just 146 00:06:58.240 --> 00:06:59.240 trying to kill the show off. 147 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:04.439 The top was entirely subconscious brain malfunction, there are you? 148 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:09.879 Are you familiar with the term self reflection, self reflectional behavior, 149 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:11.800 You're familiar with that term self. 150 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:12.920 Actualization a little bit? 151 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:16.040 Okay, So what that says is your subconscious is actually 152 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:17.959 a true reflection of yourself, and so you're trying to 153 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:18.959 sabotage the show. 154 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:22.000 I'm sorry, that's what that says. 155 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:25.319 I'm just I'm trying to work with it, roll with 156 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:27.839 the punches. But no, all right, we're good. We're we're 157 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:30.879 one day closer to the rivalry game. We're in the 158 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:34.639 midst of some I guess it's not so fun, hoops, 159 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:37.959 But a lot to get to, whether it's good to 160 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:42.720 discuss with the jazz or you know the bad, sorry, 161 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:45.480 the good to discuss with BYU, the bad with the 162 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:47.399 jazz and rsl ending their season. 163 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:48.879 But as you said, a lot to get. 164 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:50.920 To, a lot to get to live at beer Bar. 165 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:53.040 If you guys have never been to our ESPN seven 166 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:56.560 hundred tail gate, it's really fun. I'll roll through porters, 167 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.920 gonna be there doing the show, craft cocktails from Clearwater, 168 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:04.279 distilling free food from wingers. I've got ten tailgate passes 169 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:07.720 and I'll give you two per person, except for the 170 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:10.000 people that stop in all the time. Like, let's spread 171 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:11.839 this around a little bit so you know who you are. 172 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:13.800 If you can hear my voice, don't come down here, 173 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:15.920 but everyone else come down here. 174 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:16.800 Just not those people. 175 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:19.480 And trust me, you may not know who I'm talking about, 176 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:23.360 but the people who are sweating right now you know. 177 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:24.759 Exactly who I'm talking to. 178 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:26.199 I do not want to see you, but I want 179 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:28.639 to see everybody else down here at Beer Bar. 180 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:31.879 Come on down right downtown Salt Lake City one sixty one. 181 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:32.840 He is two hundred south. 182 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:35.080 All right, my guy Pablo, right out of gates to 183 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.320 do a little RSL. But before we get to Pablo 184 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:41.000 on a Wednesday, courtesy of our good friends, you're good 185 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.960 friends too at Standard Restaurants Supply, your one stop shop 186 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:46.879 for all your tailgating need. Standard Restaurants Supply dot Com 187 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:49.960 or check them out at their their convenience Salt Lake 188 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.000 City location on a Wednesday. 189 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:53.399 Time. Now for your opening tip. 190 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:56.919 Welcome to the Drive with Spence Check. It's on Utah's 191 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:00.960 number one Sports Talk. Now into the studio ESPN seven 192 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:03.960 hundred to set the scene for the show. The opening 193 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.039 tip of the Drive is brought to you by Standard 194 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.279 Restaurant Supply, your one stop shop to build the best 195 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.960 tailgate in town. Standard Restaurant Supply thirty five hundred south 196 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:14.639 West Temple. 197 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:20.200 So, as we warned you last night prior to signing off, 198 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:25.200 there were going to be results revealed last night that 199 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:29.159 were going to really shake the ground underneath a lot 200 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:32.600 of people one way or the other, regardless of which 201 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:35.000 side you're on. We were going to get a result 202 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.960 last night that was going to make people uncomfortable. I 203 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:41.159 encourage you to sit back, relax, and accept the results, 204 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:44.200 regardless of what side you're on. And if you're on 205 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:46.159 the BYU side, see I did it again. If you're 206 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.679 on the BYU side. The first iteration of the CFP 207 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:50.799 rankings probably. 208 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:51.600 Didn't land very well. 209 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:53.320 But let's get into a little bit of course, a 210 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:56.960 big game coming up on Saturday with BYU and Utah. 211 00:09:57.080 --> 00:10:01.120 So what I tried to explain yesterday guy Scott Mitchell Opton, 212 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:02.840 and I don't think he was fully grasping what I 213 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:06.759 was saying. These are not the seeds for the twelve 214 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:10.360 team CFP bracket. These are the rankings as the committee 215 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:14.840 sees them right now. I don't fully agree with BYU 216 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:19.639 at nine, but there's nothing about where BYU is that 217 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:23.000 takes away what they eventually, in my opinion, will be 218 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:26.879 in the CFP brackets. So they come in at number nine, okay, 219 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:30.240 but they're still high speed ahead to a four seed 220 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:34.200 and a first round by in the CFP. But so, 221 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:36.120 the one thing that I think is being a little 222 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:38.519 bit under talked about because everybody's talking about, well, Indiana 223 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:41.240 shouldn't be ahead of them, all right, Well that's probably 224 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:44.159 not necessarily wrong. BYU has two top twenty wins, their 225 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:47.840 strength of schedule is number four Indiana. This will play 226 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:50.000 itself out. Indiana still has a couple of tough games, 227 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.519 including Ohio State, so BYU probably should have been ranked 228 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:55.399 ahead of Indiana. 229 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:57.559 And then you get into you know. 230 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:01.279 What about Penn States, who does not have the two 231 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:04.600 top twenty wins that BYU has. I'm not really here 232 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:06.679 for the conversation about should they be ranked out at 233 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.200 Tennessee that Bamma win. You know, the committee was looking 234 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:12.519 at that with tremendous favor. I'm not really here for 235 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:14.960 the Texas thing either, But I do think if you're 236 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:16.039 a BYU fan. 237 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:18.639 Today, you feel a little bit hard done. 238 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:20.480 Well, you feel a little bit hard done every day 239 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:25.120 because that's literally ingrained in your reality with this Woe 240 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:29.279 is Me. Everybody disrespects us dynamic of that fan base, 241 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:33.080 it gets a little bit exhausting. But you do have 242 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:36.360 a beef in my opinion, when it comes to indiand 243 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:38.559 and potentially Penn State, and that's kind of where I 244 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:39.080 would stop. 245 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:40.519 But it doesn't matter. 246 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:43.440 Ultimately whether you're seven through nine. I said on the 247 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:47.559 show yesterday, I was anticipating BYU coming in between seven 248 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:47.960 and nine. 249 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:49.200 I thought nine was their floor. 250 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.919 I thought seven was their ceiling, and it turned out 251 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:52.960 nine was the floor. 252 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:54.320 But the under talked about. 253 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:57.759 Thing here is Boise State's only three spots behind Brigham 254 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:00.919 Young and the rules of the see is the five 255 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:04.399 conference champs get the top five seed and the four 256 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:05.600 top seeds get buys. 257 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:08.320 Okay, somehow, some way. 258 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:13.639 If Boise State's able to leap frog in the CFP rankings, 259 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:18.799 not the bracket seedings, Okay, somehow, some way, if Boise 260 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:22.039 State's able to climb up past the big twelve champ, 261 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:26.440 maybe BYU falls to five and Boise State. 262 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:30.759 Moves into four. But in that case, still in the CFP, you. 263 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:32.600 Get a I believe you get to host the first 264 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:35.960 round playoff game at Lavelle Edwards Stadium, so you don't 265 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:40.039 get the buy, but you do host a game. So yes, 266 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:41.919 I think you would prefer the buy because if you 267 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:43.600 get to buy, you only have to win three games 268 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:47.600 instead of four. But I don't foresee the scenario in 269 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:52.240 play that Boise State can do enough to jump past 270 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.679 either BYU or Iowa stayed. 271 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:57.679 I mean, you know, from strictly from strictly from a. 272 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:02.480 BYU standpoint, Today is no different than yesterday because everything 273 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:04.720 is still in front of you. And I suppose the 274 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:07.279 one caveat that we could throw there is if the 275 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:13.679 committee ranks BYU at nine as an undefeated Big twelve 276 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:18.399 conference leader, is that an indictment on the conference? 277 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.919 And it feels like it kind of is, And honestly, 278 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:24.519 can you blame him? I mean really can you? 279 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.200 Like we talked about this yesterday, we were going to 280 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:28.080 do our Big twelve power rankings, and I'm like, well, 281 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:30.840 what do you want to do? Like BYU is at one, 282 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:34.000 and then everybody else has tied two to sixteen, don't 283 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:38.360 it's impossible to ascertain who's good and who's bad. There's 284 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:41.000 a chance it's just a bunch of decent teams with 285 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:44.000 no great teams and no horrible teams, which is no 286 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:45.200 way to build a conference. 287 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:46.879 As we've seen with the love. 288 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:49.399 That the SEC in the Big ten is getting and 289 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:52.799 will continue to continue to get. But that shouldn't surprise anybody. 290 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:55.559 That's part of the deal. So I saw some of 291 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:58.799 the reaction. I heard some of the reaction after the 292 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:03.360 bracket was released, and you know, again, the rankings are 293 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:06.440 different than the seedings. If I can continue to underscore that, 294 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:10.120 because this inferiority complex where every time you don't get 295 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:11.799 the benefit of the doubt you just cry into the 296 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:14.399 ethos is exhausting. Do you have a bit of a 297 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:18.240 beef at nine? Yeah, you probably do, certainly Indiana Penn State. 298 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.679 We can talk about resumetd strength to schedule top twenty 299 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.840 wins eye tests too, Like you can save me with 300 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:27.080 the eye test stuff. BYU passes the eye test. But 301 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:31.720 the brackets as of now has Oregon at one, very 302 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:34.279 deserving Oregon team at one, the other, by the way, 303 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:37.399 the only other team with two top twenty wins. There 304 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:39.399 are two teams in the country with two top twenty wins. 305 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.960 It's Oregon and it's BYU. So Oregon at one, and 306 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.679 then it's Georgia at two. Miami comes in at three. 307 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:50.840 And I think Miami's a little bit of a soft 308 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:53.360 unbeaten team, but they're unbeaten nonetheless. 309 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:54.720 And here's the other thing. 310 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.279 You can't do the whole like, well, Miami had close 311 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:00.360 games against it, BYU needed a miracle to beat the 312 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:01.399 worst team in the Big twelve. 313 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:03.720 So y'all can just chill with that stuff a little bit. 314 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.600 You can't throw criteria teams that are in front of 315 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:08.840 you that we can just throw right back at you. 316 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:12.320 About your team. You needed a miracle to beat the worst. 317 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:13.919 Team in the Big Twelve, and quite frankly, you had 318 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:16.240 to sweat it out against Baylor. Okay, so you played 319 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:19.159 close games against bad teams and barely escaped as well. 320 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:21.320 So if that's going to be part of the criteria 321 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:23.799 that you use to smash other people, you know, be 322 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.519 careful about looking in the mirror at this point. So 323 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:30.879 when it comes to the perceived you know, spot of 324 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.720 where people are at. These are assumptions as far as 325 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.519 conference champs, but there's so much left to do. So 326 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:39.759 Miami at three, BYU at four. So those are your 327 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:42.960 four teams in the CFP with first round byes, and 328 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.759 then we'll just kind of go down the bracket. Oregon 329 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:49.559 would take on the winner of Indiana and Tennessee. Georgia 330 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:51.759 would take on the winner of Notre Dame in Penn State. 331 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:54.879 Miami would take on the winner of how about this 332 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:59.039 first round game Alabama and Texas, and Brigham Young would 333 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:00.159 take on the winner of Boys. 334 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:02.080 State and Ohio State. 335 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:05.200 By the way first team out SMU b YU beat 336 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:07.399 SMU on the road. That win continues to look better 337 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.200 and better and better. But as we talked about last night, 338 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:11.799 it was gonna be. 339 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.600 A nervy evening. People were gonna be on edge. You're 340 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:15.480 gonna hear results. 341 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:19.799 They were gonna come spilling in and just accept the results, 342 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:21.039 regardless of what side you're on. 343 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.440 And sure enough, it was an anxious evening. 344 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:27.759 As BYU comes in as the ninth ranked team in 345 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:31.080 the first edition of the expanded twelve team CFP rankings, 346 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:32.840 but it doesn't affect their seeding. 347 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:35.000 They still have an excellent chance to get a. 348 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:39.519 First round by as the fourth seed in the CFP brackets. 349 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:41.679 All right, we'll catch a break. We're gonna do a 350 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:44.600 lot of college football. Spencer Litton's gonna hop on, so 351 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:47.519 we'll talk more BYU and the CFP. We'll of course 352 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:50.519 get to the BYU Utah game. Josh Pate will be 353 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:52.600 great with this stuff today as he's our guest later 354 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.320 on Some Hockey with Neil Smith and the Voice of 355 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:55.879 the Youths. 356 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:57.519 Bill Riley, by the way, Kyle Whittingham. 357 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:01.480 On Friday, Utah Jazz saunt out a press release that 358 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:06.240 Taylor Hendrix has undergone successful surgery to addresses right fibular 359 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:10.759 fracture and dislocated ankle. I've never seen a press release 360 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:13.599 that says the surgery was unsuccessful, which is good. You 361 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:17.119 don't want unsuccessful surgeries. But like everyone has the successful surgery, 362 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:19.799 we're gonna risk wish Taylor a lot a lot of 363 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.559 luck moving forward. All right, we have not done a 364 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:24.759 lot of RSL this week, but it's time now to 365 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:26.519 kind of look back on the season that was and 366 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:29.839 look ahead to what maybe with the head coach of RSL. 367 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:33.039 Great to have Pablo mach twenty on a Wednesday, Pops, 368 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:35.559 Happy Wednesday, man, how we doing every Wednesday? 369 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:36.279 Spent too well? 370 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:39.039 But thanks appreciate the time. I wish he was under 371 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:42.160 different circumstances. But of course, the you know, the bottom 372 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:45.680 line is there's only one team that finishes the season 373 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:49.119 with a you know, winding their sales for the offseason 374 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:50.480 as a result of winning their last game. 375 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:52.440 So my first question is, in all your years. 376 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:55.319 In MLS playing and coaching, how many times have you 377 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:57.160 been a part of the team that actually wins the 378 00:17:57.160 --> 00:17:58.319 final game of the year. 379 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:06.440 That's a great question. Just once that was two thousand 380 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:12.039 and ten, so eons ago. Now I think you said 381 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:14.720 it right though, I mean, there's only there's only one team. 382 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.000 And then the crazy thing is is we drew this 383 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:20.160 last game, and that's a whole different story of those 384 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:20.880 pks man. 385 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:23.240 Yeah, and we'll get there in the moment, but i'd 386 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:25.279 bring up that point to underscore just how hard it 387 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:27.200 is to win trophies. And of course I think a 388 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:29.359 lot of people thought you were going to be in 389 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.160 the group that potentially could have ended the year lifting 390 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:35.839 a trophy and heading on into the offseason without winning 391 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:39.720 your sales. But ultimately, before we get to the situation 392 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:44.720 in a vacuum, why from your damage point, Pablo, did 393 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.440 the play take a dip after such a great start 394 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:51.200 and never fully got back to when you were playing 395 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:53.880 as one of the best teams in MLS. 396 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:58.400 Yeah, you know, my reflection just thinking about the different things, 397 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:01.119 and there's all kinds of variables that go into it, obviously, 398 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:02.359 and it's going to be much greater. 399 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:03.279 Uh. 400 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:05.359 The one I'm about to speak about is but it's 401 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:08.200 probably the one that sticks out the most is you know, 402 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:15.480 between Andreas and Chicho, we had close to sixty goal 403 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:20.960 fifty goal contributions, uh, come the beginning of July, and 404 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:23.960 then from that point after, I think Chicho ended up 405 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:29.480 with one assist. And so you go from fifty when 406 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:34.319 we're flying, and then Andrea's obviously gets sold and chi Cho, 407 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.599 you know, runs into a very difficult time. And so 408 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:40.039 what that means from just a team perspective is when 409 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:43.559 when we were at our best, Chicho was flying and 410 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:47.000 scoring ungodly amounts of goals along with Andreas, and so 411 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:50.960 at the end, you know, I think defensively we became 412 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:53.960 a really good team the last you know, six or 413 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.160 seven games, you know, giving up a couple of goals, 414 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:58.680 but we just didn't have the firepower in front of 415 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:01.279 goal to really content for a title. 416 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:04.799 So I want to readdress something that we talked about 417 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:08.920 right after andress sale. And I asked you, I asked Jason, 418 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:12.240 I asked Kurt, I asked every RSL guest I had. 419 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:16.319 Is there a danger that you sacrificed the potential for 420 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:19.599 something special in the name of a long term game 421 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:23.559 by sending an ondress on And look, I know the deal. Okay, 422 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:25.920 I don't like the deal. I never will, but I 423 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:30.599 understand that that price tag was too. I'm sure ownership 424 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:32.960 would not have let you pass it up. I don't 425 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:35.400 know that, but that's my guess, and so I know 426 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:36.440 the ethos of the club. 427 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:38.480 I just don't like that approach. 428 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:40.799 Because the type of sporting culture I was raised in. 429 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:44.000 But let's readdress it as we look back. 430 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:49.160 Did you guys potentially decide to take a paycheck and 431 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:52.599 look at a long term game as opposed to sticking 432 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.039 with the plan and maybe winning something special this year? 433 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:00.160 Yeah? I mean yeah, I mean I think, if to 434 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:02.480 put it bluntly, I think that that may have been 435 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:05.599 the case. And I think this is where it's really interesting, 436 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:09.279 in particularly with MLS, is where you know, the depths 437 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:12.519 of other teams around the world are such that you 438 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:14.319 can move on from players because you have two or 439 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:16.279 three of the same caliber. 440 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:16.920 Player in the States. 441 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:20.599 You know, in MLS you just don't get that because 442 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:22.319 of the cap and because of the way all the 443 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:25.799 little intricacies of the way it's run, you just don't 444 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:28.240 get that luxury. And so for for teams in the 445 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:30.240 MLS to do something like that, I think it's going 446 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:34.200 to have graver consequences. And then again, we bring in 447 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:35.920 a player like Dominic, who I think is going to 448 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:37.880 be a top player. I think he's in a better 449 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:40.160 starting position than Andres was when he first got here, 450 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:43.680 So that's that's odd. The problem is is you got 451 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:45.599 seven games to go and he's got to get up 452 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:47.319 to speed, and he's leaving the country for the first time. 453 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:50.480 So it's a knockdown effect. But in this particular case, 454 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.200 you know, it's not only to sell of Andre's but 455 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:55.920 it's also what it did. You know, what the knockoff 456 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:58.160 was the teacho because those guys were a pair, and 457 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:00.000 those are things that I think, you know, we we've had, 458 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.039 We've had a couple of conversations, you know, with Kurt 459 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:05.119 and Jason, and will continue to have that with ownership 460 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:08.680 Kurt and Jason and and continue to you know, find 461 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:11.519 the best practices. But I think you rightly pointed out 462 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:14.480 it is one of those deals that it was too 463 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:16.440 it was it was too good for everyone to pass 464 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:19.079 off on, and it was it was on Andres's dream 465 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:21.160 to get to Europe, and so a lot there's a 466 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:22.759 lot of factors that can into it. It's not just 467 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:24.319 someone saying, hey, we got to sell it, you know, 468 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:26.400 but if the player doesn't want to go, can't sell 469 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:29.440 them when the player is dying to leave to get 470 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:32.440 to live out in his childhood dream. It's almost like 471 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:36.119 your kind of hands are tied, given that the deal 472 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:36.640 was so good. 473 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:39.599 Yeah, and I certainly understand all that. 474 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:43.359 Like I said, it's just sometimes tough the stomach from 475 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:47.039 the perspective of believing you guys had something so special. 476 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:50.440 I mean, for me, Pablo at one point, and I 477 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:52.559 talked about this on air, I talked about it with you, 478 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.400 there's a real case to be made that for about 479 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:58.559 I don't know, fifteen to eighteen games, it may have 480 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:01.359 been the best soccer played in the history of the club, 481 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:03.960 right It does that resonate with you? I mean, I mean, 482 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:05.920 I know you weren't here back in the day, but 483 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:09.039 from my vantage point, I think the vantage point a 484 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:11.519 lot of people who have watched and cared about this 485 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:13.200 club for a while, there may have been a fifteen 486 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:15.079 to eighteen game sample size there was some of the 487 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:16.279 best soccer we've ever seen. 488 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:19.440 I mean that, no, and I and I think so. 489 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:21.680 And you know, I guess the way that I can 490 00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:25.839 interpret that is how much coaching we had to do 491 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:30.039 versus you know, the big preseason, we're coaching quite a bit. 492 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:31.920 There's a lot of new faces and a lot of 493 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:36.240 new people, coaches included, and we were coaching our tails off. 494 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:38.000 The players are working their tails off, and then we 495 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:40.279 got to a point where it was almost like, you know, 496 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:42.799 you get on the on the flight and they kick 497 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:45.759 it into autopilot and you know, the you know, the 498 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:48.200 captains are up there talking meanwhile this play, this plane 499 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:50.319 is going exactly in the direction you know it's going 500 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.519 to go, and you know it's going to be smooth, 501 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:54.200 and you know it's going to be And that's kind 502 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:56.480 of what it felt from from the coaching perspective, where 503 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:59.640 it's like there wasn't there wasn't a whole lot to do. 504 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:01.799 This thing was just moving. The players were just coming 505 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:04.400 in every day and working and just loving the work, 506 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:07.200 and it was everything was just on the autopilot and 507 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:09.920 the guys were just vibing off one another and the 508 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:12.599 results were coming and the football was great on both 509 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:15.680 sides of the ball. And I completely agree with what 510 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:17.920 you're saying, Like from from my standpoint as a coach, 511 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:21.640 I've never been a part of such a such synergy, 512 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:26.200 of such flow, and you know, Unfortunately, like all good 513 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:27.599 things in life, it must come to an end at 514 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:30.279 some point. And then the ability to then quickly get 515 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.039 back on your feet and now double down on the 516 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:33.920 coach and double down on the work, double down on 517 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.400 all these things when they were so effortless when we 518 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:38.279 were going through that run. 519 00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:40.799 So let me hone in on cheeto now. 520 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:43.720 And I'm just stunned that I have the stats pulled 521 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:46.200 up and it still says seventeen. I mean, I thought 522 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:50.079 I was gonna get till like thirty. I don't know, man, 523 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.039 Like I can remember when I got the text about 524 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.480 the suspension, and I just wondered in my mind in 525 00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:58.720 that moment, and then allowed while talking about the club, 526 00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:01.680 like what what if effect whether this have? Now it's 527 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.920 really easy to Monday morning quarterback this and say it 528 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:07.759 must have been the suspension, It must have been on 529 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:09.039 dress taken off. 530 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:11.279 It probably was a lot of things. 531 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:14.279 But it is pretty stunning that our guy didn't score 532 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:15.720 after mid July. 533 00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:18.119 As the coach, what do you attribute that most to? 534 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:22.599 Yeah? I think your what your assessment is is pretty accurate. 535 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.720 You know, we've we've gone down all kinds of path 536 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:28.799 paths to try to figure it out with with obviously 537 00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:32.240 Chicho involved as well, and I had countless conversations about 538 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.880 a state of mind, and and I guarantee you that 539 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:37.160 Chicho can't put a figure on it, right, because if 540 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:38.960 you could have, he would have. It would have changed 541 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:40.400 and it would have changed a lot of things. And 542 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:46.200 there's something to be said about. 543 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:49.599 The almost the alter ego that you have to have 544 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.839 to be that kind of player, and the burden, the 545 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:56.519 type of responsibility that comes with being that kind of player. 546 00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:59.279 In his case, scoring whatever it was, seventeen goals and 547 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:02.759 having I don't know, ten thirteen assists or something to 548 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:05.599 such July in such a short span of time. And 549 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.759 then a couple of big instances happens in your life 550 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:11.400 where I think you start to think like the rest 551 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.680 of us humans, right, and you're no longer the superman 552 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:17.519 with a kate because of this situation and that situation. 553 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:20.119 And it could have been just the feelings that those 554 00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:26.960 situations provoke evoked. And so you know, I've never seen 555 00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:31.559 somebody that's been flying on all cylinders then suddenly become 556 00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.440 very human and dealing with some of the stuff that 557 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.279 we deal with on on just a different level. And 558 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.359 so those are questions that you know, obviously we're going 559 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.559 to have our exit meetings with the players starting tomorrow. 560 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.920 Obviously that's that's going to be a question. And more 561 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.079 importantly is you know, I think it's it's it's up 562 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:53.920 to the individual to really start the process, and then 563 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:56.079 it's for the rest of us to help wherever we can. 564 00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:59.640 If we try to solve someone else's problems that are 565 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:03.279 very that are internal, it doesn't make sense, then we're 566 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.240 just ribbing him or we're poking and prodding. But I 567 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:12.759 think it's been very difficult three months in helping cheat 568 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:16.160 you him kind of figure that part out, and unfortunately 569 00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:17.599 we just ran out of time towards the end. 570 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.880 All right, I'm about to lay a little Shakespeare on you, Pops. Ready, 571 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:25.519 let's do it, all right, So Hamlet quote there is 572 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:29.359 nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so right. 573 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:32.960 And so ultimately, the reason I started the interview with 574 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:36.200 asking somebody like you who has been an MLS lifer, 575 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.519 how many times did you have the opportunity to walk 576 00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:42.119 away from a season as part of the one team 577 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:43.799 that lifted the trophy? 578 00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:45.480 And I'm actually stunned that it was one. 579 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.839 I thought there was more is to underscore how hard 580 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.079 this thing is to actually walk away with a trophy, 581 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.000 and what a marathon season it is. Now I am 582 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:57.640 a results guy because I know the business of sports 583 00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:00.480 and I know what results means for the rise tied 584 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.400 that that allows all both you know, they all boats 585 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.279 to kind of go in the same direction. 586 00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.440 And I botch that quote. That's not Shakespearean, but. 587 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:09.960 It's a long way of me asking it's it's a 588 00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.960 long way of me asking you do you consider this 589 00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:14.720 year success or failure? 590 00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:20.039 Again? I think you have to. I wish it was his. 591 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:27.640 Now I'm thinking this is Shakespeare and stuff. I can't 592 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:32.119 I can't even find words. If it was. If this 593 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:38.160 whole thing was linear, then obviously with with one goal 594 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.599 in mind, which is to win the title, then then 595 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.079 I would I wouldn't say it's a failure. I just 596 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:47.720 said we didn't it wasn't successful, right, I wouldn't say 597 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.200 it's a failure. And the reason why I'd say it 598 00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:53.960 wouldn't be a failure is because it's multi dimensional. In 599 00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:57.400 other words, this is, like you said, it's a business. Right, 600 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:00.359 So in order to keep bringing in players, you have 601 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.279 to sell players, right, And so when you lose a 602 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:07.279 player like Andreas. While it's a hit to the team, 603 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:11.119 it's it's it's a plus to the fact that we 604 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.599 as a club can develop young talent and and and 605 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:16.839 what that means for the future means you know, the 606 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:19.200 reason why we got Dominic who's a very talented player 607 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.160 and just recently got called up to the fullman's Polish 608 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:24.720 national team, right, and that's a huge step for him. 609 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:27.559 And the only reason he came and speaking to him 610 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.039 and his agent was because of what we were able 611 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:32.400 to do with Andreas and one that we were willing 612 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:35.359 to play young players, two were able to help them 613 00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:40.880 achieve their dreams, right, and so so that that part's 614 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:46.279 a huge success, while it compromises the goal of winning 615 00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:49.160 a cup, right and so then the other part of it, 616 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.359 for me, which is really important is the game model 617 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:54.519 pieces the style that we play with the way we play, 618 00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:57.960 which for me is a really exciting you know, it's 619 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:00.279 the way I see soccer, which is it it's up 620 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.519 and back, it's it's it's very it's very fast paced, 621 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:06.119 it's getting after the ball defensively, it's it's trying to 622 00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:09.519 score a ton of goals offensively, and and and then 623 00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:13.240 you look at those those metrics from our style of play, 624 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:17.599 and we've we've almost one hundred percent improvement and a 625 00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:20.119 lot of those statistics that are relevant to our game model. 626 00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:24.839 You know, our goals are are are are pressing from 627 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.519 the front, all these things have gone up exponentially over 628 00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:29.319 this course this year. And so when you think about 629 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:31.960 long term and what puts you in the position to 630 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:35.160 win those titles is to consistently be a top team. 631 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:38.119 It doesn't guarantee you anything, but when I look at 632 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.319 this year, I think that's a success. We've established this 633 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:43.079 is who we are. This is a standard we have 634 00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:47.319 to hold and it allows us to keep building a 635 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.319 team and and and building belief because if you're consistently 636 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:53.559 top four in the West, there's going to be a 637 00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:55.480 breakthrough moment. You never know what it's going to be. 638 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.319 But if you're not in the top four, then it 639 00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:59.720 becomes very difficult to win trophy. And then if you 640 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.680 can keep bringing younger players and developing younger players whilst 641 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.839 they're here, they're helping us win. That's a positive. And 642 00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:09.359 then the business side is is making money for the 643 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.400 ownership and and showing them that we're capable, and you know, 644 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.279 it's a proof of concept with Andres and and Fidel 645 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.359 and now we have Dominic and and I'm sure there 646 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:19.960 will be a couple of the younger players that will 647 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.759 come in. And so I think it's not it's not 648 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.119 it's not fair to answer that question on one level 649 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:27.799 and say did you want to If you didn't want 650 00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.000 to show up, it's failure. It's more like, there's a 651 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:34.759 lot of successes that have been uncovered this year, that 652 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.480 have been that we've been able to achieve this year 653 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:40.680 that hopefully in the future will lead to that title. 654 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:42.599 When when when it all comes together. 655 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:46.039 Yeah, I figured, you know, you wouldn't utilize that to 656 00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.440 give you know, give me a binary decision, because there 657 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.880 are nuanced parts of the whole thing that deserves me unpacked. 658 00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.039 So I appreciate that perspective, and let me add to it. 659 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:58.559 Setting a single season record for points and goals that's 660 00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.319 not nothing, man, it really is. And now there's nothing 661 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.279 hanging in the trophy room for it. But you know, 662 00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:06.079 the hope is at some point you can take a 663 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.960 step back and reflect on the entire situation because the ending, 664 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:12.079 I don't know what it is about soccer man. 665 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:13.240 And maybe it's. 666 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.400 Because I have PTSD because the ending used to men 667 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:16.920 like are we going to lose the team? 668 00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:17.960 Like you know? 669 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:21.400 And there's so many, so many ramifications back in the 670 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.400 early days when we lost. And that's why the two 671 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.200 thousand and nine Cup team is memory, you know, is 672 00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.839 remembered with so much fondness because it literally allowed us 673 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:31.599 to basically plan our feet in the cement and say 674 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.079 we're here and that's what results can do. But have 675 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:35.480 you been able to get to the point where you 676 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.000 can reflect on the things that you did this year 677 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.680 that really we've never seen before, because I think that's important. 678 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.519 No, I think yeah, I think obviously it's only been 679 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:48.319 a few days since since our last game, and so 680 00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:51.240 it's it's it's hard, you know, you're you're frustrated, you're 681 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.160 you're looking for answers. But I think when the dust 682 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.160 settles and and and I think it goes back to 683 00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.279 the point of made earlier spence, which is you have 684 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:00.720 to consistently be a top team and to put yourself 685 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:03.000 in the best positions to win titles, right and and 686 00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:05.559 what and what those fifty nine points to do is 687 00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.400 it validates that we are a top team, right and 688 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.359 and and what that also does is and stills belief 689 00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:13.440 not in the players, not only in the players that 690 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.680 are here, but in the players that are coming and 691 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.319 the expectations that they must have for joining this team. 692 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.119 And and you know, before when I first got here, 693 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.559 I remember it was really difficult to get good young 694 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:27.240 players or good players period to come to Salt Lake 695 00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:29.000 because again, if they have a choice of l A 696 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.960 and l A f C and Miami and New York 697 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:34.880 players from abroad, that those are the only places they know, 698 00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:37.079 they have never heard of Salt Lake. But I think 699 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:41.240 the more we continue to make these these steps in 700 00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:45.839 the right direction, the more of a favorable destinations, you know, 701 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:48.960 RSL will be in the grand scheme of things, and 702 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.319 so there, and there's there's a ton of other successes behind, 703 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.960 you know, behind the curtains that that I'm really really 704 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:59.240 proud of. And some of those are with the coaching staff, 705 00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:01.119 and some of those with the way we were able to, 706 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:04.240 you know, get everyone on board and start the campaign 707 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.200 off with so many changes in a great way. And 708 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:08.920 and so there's a lot of takeaway from it. But 709 00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:11.880 I think if you're if you're a winner, that shouldn't 710 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:16.119 satisfy you. That should that should evoke a feeling of belief. 711 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:19.480 But we've got to do better, and we will do better. 712 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.079 And I think that's what the season has really left 713 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:22.280 me with. 714 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:24.840 All Right, before we get to the off season, since 715 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:26.639 I have not been able to speak to you, we'll 716 00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.239 take our medicine with one more question, and that is 717 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.639 now that you've been able to reflect and think about 718 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.360 what happened up in Minnesota, Uh, just kind of get 719 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.639 give us some thoughts about how the decisions played out. 720 00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:40.599 You know, juli Anderson, Julio comes in. 721 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.079 In place of chi Cho, You get Vera back and 722 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.360 unfortunately he had a goal that was called back. 723 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.400 It looked like that was gonna be a game changing moment. 724 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.480 Javane goes back over to his right back position, and 725 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:54.400 a Mecca who was and is awesome, goes back to 726 00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:55.719 where you like him. 727 00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:56.519 In the midfield. 728 00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.400 So take us through those decisions and then ultimately, what 729 00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.599 are your trip you the inability to find enough solutions 730 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:02.920 to the. 731 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.119 Most Yeah, So again I'll start with Chicho and and 732 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.079 I think that decision had been coming for a while. 733 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.880 And and again I think the biggest opponent that we 734 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.960 face and sport is time, you know, and and and 735 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:23.000 and trying to find different players around him to to 736 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.239 find the back of the net, you know, resting him 737 00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.639 a couple of games and seeing what happens, and and 738 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:31.960 at the end of the day, you know, unfortunately, given 739 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.519 the circumstances, you know, we we we'd only won one 740 00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.239 game when when Chicho started after the suspension, you know, 741 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:39.880 and so these are things that like you start to 742 00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:42.119 look into, dig into the weeds and figure out, like, 743 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:44.840 you know, who are the guys that when when they 744 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.760 start the game, we have a better chance of winning, right, 745 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:51.039 given that all the other things that we've tried, it 746 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.639 just wasn't clicking. And so that was really the case. 747 00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:57.719 The other part of that cheat your decision was wanted 748 00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:59.599 in the first half to really stretch the back line. 749 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.159 Often in the last two games that we'd played them 750 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:04.719 previous we played underneath them, and they just did such 751 00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.280 a good job defensively where they're releasing center backs into 752 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:11.280 the midfield no threat of anything behind them, and so Julio, 753 00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:13.920 we felt was a really good option, and I think 754 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:15.760 in a lot of ways we achieved what we wanted, 755 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.440 which was to really have them question whether we're going 756 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:21.079 to play in front of them or behind them, and 757 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.719 I think that little doubt really opened up the second half. 758 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.440 You know, Javane playing on the right side actually, you know, 759 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.519 thought he did a good job. But I also think 760 00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:33.639 that he felt more comfortable when he went back to 761 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:36.320 center back, given the way he played last three games 762 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.800 in that position. And then Vera was always going to 763 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:45.280 be a tough one. We Sarah before the suspension was in, 764 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.519 playing form was ready and I think in the first 765 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:51.119 half of this last game it just took them a 766 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:52.880 little bit to catch up to speed. And there's no 767 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:56.480 way to mimic game fitness and game sharpness other than 768 00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:59.960 playing in the games. And then Mecca for me, you know, 769 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:02.320 it's it's ironic that I wanted him in the middle, 770 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.480 and then we made the shift to pull there out 771 00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.280 and go with one pivot. We put a mecha on 772 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.360 the right and wanted to use him more as like 773 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.280 a third midfielder when the ball was on the weak side, 774 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.719 creep creeping up centrally, and that's where we found our 775 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.199 goal from from Mecca. And so he's one of these 776 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:19.599 players you put him in any position and he's going 777 00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:21.679 to thrive and and so I think from a just 778 00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:25.440 a tactical perspective, is we we wanted to make sure, 779 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.039 like I said, we threatened behind. But then when we 780 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.039 conceded the goal, we went with one pivot instead of 781 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:33.039 two and pushed one of the pivots higher up into 782 00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:35.239 the in between their lines to ask them questions. And 783 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.360 I thought we got a stronghold of them. Is deal 784 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:40.920 created some really good opportunities, and then the game of 785 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.920 football comes down to you know, you know, Diego had 786 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.920 a really good chance to go up uh, you know two. 787 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:48.840 I think it was two to one, and we missed 788 00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:53.119 that opportunity, and you know, you get two goals called 789 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.079 called back from off sides, and so it was almost 790 00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.199 like it was in it was beyond our control, like 791 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:02.159 whatever we threw it, you know, for whatever reason, it 792 00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:04.599 just didn't work out. But it wasn't from a lack 793 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.079 of effort. It wasn't from a lack of looking at 794 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:11.840 all different options to change things around. But unfortunately on 795 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:12.880 the day we fall short. 796 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.119 All right, before I say, you loose a little off 797 00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:19.400 season conversation, and I'm aware that a lot of these 798 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.320 decisions will be made by Kurt and Jason, but I 799 00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.639 know they value you when they bring you into the circle, 800 00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:27.880 and you guys are very collaborative with this stuff. So 801 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.760 Conker Calf may change the calendar a little bit. The 802 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:33.960 draw is going to be in December, and then you 803 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.320 guys will get going I believe mid February. Does that 804 00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:40.119 change the timeline of potentially adding to the group And 805 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:43.760 what positions or pieces do you think you guys need 806 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.119 to just take that next step up in the process 807 00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:46.639 next year. 808 00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.119 That's a good question, and I think Kurt will be 809 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:55.039 better served answering those questions. Although you know, we've had 810 00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:00.800 conversations internally, you know, I'll just say just you know, 811 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.039 we want to solidify our back line a little bit more, 812 00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:07.199 even though we had some some a good injection of 813 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:11.079 of play from Javane is fortifying the back line, and 814 00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.800 then up front is another position, you know, And and 815 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.920 it's just experiencing what happened when when your striker isn't 816 00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:20.760 hit the back of the net. And and even though 817 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:22.920 Anderson did a great job, just feel like that's an 818 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:26.199 area that we can reinforce and and I think the 819 00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.800 most important thing for for for this off season heading 820 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.760 into next year's uh, you know campaign is is is 821 00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:36.559 a deliberate you know, being deliberate with the expectations for 822 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:38.639 these for for the players coming in next year where 823 00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:41.239 we're going to have less time to prepare. And so 824 00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.039 usually we have these guys off season workout plans and 825 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:48.440 it's almost like without saying, it's like understood that it's 826 00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:50.760 kind of optional that if I know my body, I 827 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.840 know what I have to do to come in. But 828 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.239 we're we're going old school and and and there's going 829 00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:57.920 to be a Cooper test to come back and so 830 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.559 that we know the guys that we can just hit 831 00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.000 the ground running and start preparing tactically, technically and physically 832 00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.039 for what is a shorter preseason. And so there's there's 833 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:10.719 gonna be a big ask in this offseason to make 834 00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:12.920 sure that the guys come in and we're ready to 835 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:17.800 you know, and we're really serious and deliberate about you know, 836 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.159 this opportunity to be a great team within within our 837 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:26.119 you know, our our conquer calf, which which would be 838 00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:30.400 a great start to the season. So, you know, the 839 00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:32.800 off season starts started a couple of days ago, but 840 00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:36.320 the off season work you know, starts Monday, and getting 841 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.000 back on it and make sure that we prepa go for. 842 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:41.039 Yeah, but you need time off, man. 843 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.679 I believe at one point during our conversations this year, 844 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.159 you said you've taken like one vacation in three years. 845 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.599 That's that's unhealthy, dude. So are you gonna do anything 846 00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:52.440 to kind of unwind before you get back at it? 847 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:53.440 Uh? 848 00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:55.559 My wife is looking at all kinds of trips and 849 00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:59.440 I'm telling her it. You know, for me, it's like, 850 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.639 you need time off. But when you don't feel like 851 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:05.679 it's work, when you feel like it's your purpose, if 852 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:07.960 you wake up every day and you're like, man, let's go, 853 00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:09.639 you know. And that's why I said to the guys 854 00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:11.360 that that you know, after the season is like, I'm 855 00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.760 so blessed to be able to wake up every day 856 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.559 and go. I can't wait to get to work with 857 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.199 these guys, man. I can't wait to be a part 858 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.880 of this team. I can't wait to feel full, feel 859 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:23.760 live and do great things with life. You know, I 860 00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:26.519 think there's always time for vacation. And I'm sure I'm 861 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.800 not gonna have to say, you know, if my wife, 862 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.000 you know, books a trip to Montego Bay, which I'll 863 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.000 go gladly take part in, but my mind will always 864 00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.119 be on how do we become a better team in 865 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:38.719 twenty to twenty five if you were this year? 866 00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:40.000 All right? 867 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:40.199 Man? 868 00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:42.280 Well, like I said, a lot of good and it's 869 00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:44.480 just so tough when there's only one team that enters 870 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:46.679 the off season having accomplished that ultimate goal. 871 00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:48.960 So I appreciate your time today and all year. You're 872 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:51.519 the guy for this. I got your back. Reach out 873 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:52.519 if I can do anything for you. 874 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.639 Okay, thanks, Bence. Always a pleasure, man, appreciate your. 875 00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:56.440 Help, all right. 876 00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.480 Pablo Masconti, head coach of RSL. RSL has hit the 877 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.079 off season, but it will be shorter than usual as 878 00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:06.000 a result of their qualification for the Conka CAF Champions Cup. 879 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:10.320 We'll learn the date and details about the game in 880 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:14.159 mid December, and then I believe it's played mid February, 881 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:18.199 if I remember correctly. My task to border today was 882 00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:21.440 play cheesy happy music. Just play whatever's. 883 00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:24.199 Cheesy and happy. Is this Jack Johnson track? 884 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.480 I were just playing because look, Jack Johnson is like 885 00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:28.920 an uncrustable right right. 886 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:30.199 It never changes. 887 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:32.519 It's never better or worse than it was, but it's 888 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:34.199 always it's always pretty solid. 889 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.000 Yeah, Yeah, that's a I thought it was a good 890 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.639 request from you some happy tunes. I don't know that 891 00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:41.719 it's even like a happy song. I actually think it's 892 00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:44.719 like a sad breakup song. But because it's Jack Johnson 893 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.559 singing and playing to a guitar, he like makes it 894 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.119 feel good. 895 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.400 Yeah, there's nothing wrong with an uncrustable. There's nothing wrong 896 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.719 with a PBJ. Our next guest is kind of like 897 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:56.320 a PBJ PB and J. 898 00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:57.679 He's always reliable. 899 00:42:58.400 --> 00:42:59.920 You always know what you're gonna get, and you're not 900 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.719 were let down. Our friend from BYU TV is Spencer 901 00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:05.360 Lytton on a Wednesday. Spencer, Happy Wednesday, Sir, How are. 902 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:10.360 You indeed the happiest Spence, especially as you're comparing me 903 00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:14.360 to the greatest snack known to mankind in the encrustable sandwich? 904 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:20.840 Well said, grape or strawberry? Most importantly, I like both. 905 00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:24.719 But I got to pick one of probably probably leaning strawberry. 906 00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:27.880 Okay, okay, fair enough, fair enough. They're both very good 907 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.360 and it is a very very close race, all right, Spencer. 908 00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.960 So last night we were gathered around our televisions, nervous 909 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.199 about the results we were going to get, wondering if 910 00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:42.280 people would accept it when it came down and we 911 00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.199 see the states coming off, you know, bit by bit, 912 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.320 and the fear kind of creeps in, and sure enough 913 00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:49.760 BYU comes in a number nine. 914 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:51.480 See what I did there? You thought I was going election. 915 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:52.440 I didn't. 916 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:56.639 Now, as as I've been talking about, it doesn't mean 917 00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:01.280 that they can't lock in the number four. C rankings 918 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.880 are different than seeds. But I do believe there is 919 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.440 a very very legitimate conversation that we had as to 920 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:11.719 why I would say Indiana and then probably Penn State. 921 00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:13.159 I mean, Tennessee has that BAMA win. 922 00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:16.840 Texas is Texas, but there's a legitimate conversation, and maybe 923 00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:20.039 even Miami because BYU has the two top twenty wins 924 00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.360 strength of schedule, I think it's four. So I do 925 00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:27.480 believe it's legitimate to have a beef with BYUO at nine, 926 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:29.599 even though I still think the four seed is probably 927 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:30.239 the reality. 928 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.119 What was your reaction when you saw briging me on 929 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:33.000 at nine last night? 930 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.719 Unfortunately, it was pretty close to what I expected. This 931 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.480 has become a situation for me where I feel like 932 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.119 Charlie Brown and the college Football Playoff Selection Committee is 933 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:50.079 lucy and you just think maybe maybe this time they 934 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.360 might let you actually kick the football and respect what 935 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.159 you've done. But ultimately they pulled the football away and 936 00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.639 here we are again. And so I was kind of 937 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:03.400 brake for that. I thought it would be eight at worst. 938 00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:06.920 So nine was a was a little bit of a 939 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:12.119 new territory. And I'm with you, like I take issue 940 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.320 on a couple of accounts. One, I look at Penn 941 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.480 State and the committee siding well, the ispests of Indiana 942 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:23.679 and Texas and Miami's explosive offense. Like whatever, they want 943 00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:26.760 to use the eye test for those teams to justify 944 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:31.000 ranking them above BYU, great, that's their prerogative. So what 945 00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:34.639 is the eye test on Penn State? What have they 946 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.719 done in their seven point survival win against Bowling Green 947 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:43.000 at home and surviving the coliseum against the middle in 948 00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:47.239 USC program to say that our test says we should 949 00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:50.559 be at number six. It's like the committee is valuing 950 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:54.440 a seven point loss to Ohio State more than what 951 00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.119 BYA has actually done and won in games like Buis 952 00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:00.920 played close games they played and for against the bad 953 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:05.760 Oklahoma State teams, but Ohio Orry Penn State survived against 954 00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:10.239 holding Green for crying out loud. That's one I do 955 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.159 not understand. The second thing I don't like about this 956 00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:17.880 is this leaves BYU with very little wiggle room to 957 00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:21.360 slip up at any point and hope that they're still 958 00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:23.559 going to get in as an at large. It now 959 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:27.599 feels like DYU have to win the Big twelve championship 960 00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.559 game and qualified to get to that game to have 961 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.800 a shot to be in the playoffs. Like if they 962 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:38.960 lose in the Big Twelve Championship, there's still a scenario 963 00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:41.840 based on these rankings where the Cougars could be on 964 00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.400 the outside looking in, which is just super unfortunate because 965 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.559 they're not getting the leeway and the wiggle room white 966 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:53.199 teams such as Penn State and Indiana are. So those 967 00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:54.119 are my two issues. 968 00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:57.800 Yeah, and the message, to your point, it feels like 969 00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.519 the message is you guys are one big league, regardless 970 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:01.119 of what happens. 971 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:03.159 So it does feel like that's the message. 972 00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:06.079 Do you do you think that BYU at nine is 973 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.280 a direct indictment on the Big Twelve as a whole, 974 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.639 because we do and I'm sure you guys do it too. 975 00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:12.599 Anybody in the. 976 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.559 State and media does a Big twelve Power pol power 977 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.559 rankings or whatever. And this week I told my producer, 978 00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:20.320 I'm like, dude, we're not doing it because the power 979 00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:22.920 pole is BYU won that everyone else two to sixteen. 980 00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:25.159 I don't know who's good. I don't know who's bad. 981 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:26.400 I have no clue. 982 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.679 So do you think this ranking last night from the 983 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:33.119 committee is a direct indictment on the Big Twelve as 984 00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:33.400 a whole? 985 00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:33.880 Because I do. 986 00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.360 Yeah, And last weekend did not help the cause, right 987 00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.960 right is the State losing at Houston and then Iowa 988 00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:46.320 State losing at home to Texas Tech. Like, while those 989 00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:50.119 results help BYU's chances of getting to a Big Twelve 990 00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:55.119 championship game, it worked against the overall perception of the 991 00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:59.039 conference and ultimately what the College Football Playoffs Selection Committee 992 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:03.280 clearly thinks. Like if Kansas State had won and Iowa 993 00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.599 State has won, you and I are probably having a 994 00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.000 little bit different conversation. I tend to believe the b 995 00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:11.599 YU might be at least eight. But because those two 996 00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:14.559 teams that were at the top along with BA both 997 00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:19.679 lost and they're jumbled in this crazy Big twelve conference, 998 00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:23.280 leaving by the only unbeat, I think that hurts the 999 00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:25.719 Coopers going to this first playoff. Look I think that's 1000 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.440 totally valid and fair point, which is why I was 1001 00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.320 telling people last week, like, yes, it's good for BYU's 1002 00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:34.639 championship game chances, but now it feels like this is 1003 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:35.559 a one big league. 1004 00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:36.719 Yeah. 1005 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:38.760 No, I'm with you as far as what the message 1006 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:39.280 seems to be. 1007 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:41.719 All right, before we get to Saturday night, Let's pan 1008 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.679 back now and look at this thing from thirty thousand 1009 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.840 feet and you know, Kilanie's my guy. 1010 00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.000 Had a Monday day Rod Jay Hill. 1011 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.760 You know, obviously the synergies in the kind of incestuous 1012 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:56.239 nature of the two staffs makes this thing kind of fun. 1013 00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:59.320 But you know, I'm in contact with them, and they 1014 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.599 were telling me early on in camp like people are 1015 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:03.199 wrong about us. 1016 00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:03.880 But here's the thing. 1017 00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.400 Everybody says that every single year, every coaching and certainly 1018 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.360 in our state where we love to do the nobody 1019 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:10.159 believes in us thing. 1020 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:12.800 It's like a mantra to go shock the world. 1021 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.679 And so even though I was hearing from the coaches 1022 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:17.639 like just wait, this is going to be different, it 1023 00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:20.679 seemed like everybody else on the outside did not believe 1024 00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.199 this team was going to do much. I pegged them 1025 00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:24.679 as a six to seven win team. That was going 1026 00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:28.000 to go bowling, And I thought Utah at this point 1027 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.480 would be seven to one eight and oh. I thought 1028 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.440 Utah's offense would be dynamic. I thought their defense would 1029 00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.880 be physical, forcing turnovers, creating chaos. I thought the special 1030 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.920 teams would be awesome. I thought Rice Ecles would be 1031 00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:44.159 loud and proud. All of that Spencer is happening forty 1032 00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:46.920 miles south of where I'm talking, right down down in Provo. 1033 00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:50.920 What do you attribute this season to most, just right 1034 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.400 off the top, I. 1035 00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:56.960 Think a couple of things. There is real power. It 1036 00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:01.559 seems that BYU in the being able to keep the 1037 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:06.440 core and just have that natural evolving nature of a 1038 00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:09.800 team that in large parts stays together after having gone 1039 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.119 through some tough steams. So as bad as it was 1040 00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:15.960 for Bia to do limp to a five and seven 1041 00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:19.079 finished last year after some gut punch losses to Oklahoma 1042 00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:24.440 and Oklahoma States, it motivated them in a significant way 1043 00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.719 to stick together. So they weren't a ton of new 1044 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:32.199 parts that were added in. And Jake Retzloff has certainly 1045 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.159 been a pleasant surprise, but he told me what happened 1046 00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:37.960 late last year posted me in a way that I 1047 00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:44.719 have never experienced before, to just be unwavering in how 1048 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:48.159 I prepare and what I do, and to get the 1049 00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:51.280 guys to rally around and to, like you said, go 1050 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:56.039 actually shock the world so that core pick me together 1051 00:50:56.320 --> 00:51:05.360 in this idea of learning, growing and usually the adversity 1052 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:07.239 that you have gone through as a team together as 1053 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:11.400 a motivating point pushed them harder, no doubt. The other 1054 00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.880 thing I'll say is, I'll day didn't add a ton 1055 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:18.400 of pieces. Adding Jack Kelly, who is an NFL prospect 1056 00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:23.039 at linebacker was huge, and another guy who Jahill trust 1057 00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:26.280 in his defense huge. Also. Year two of the Jay 1058 00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:30.239 Hill defense should not be understated. I did takes a while, 1059 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:33.079 and Jay told me before the season began, Cencer, we 1060 00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:36.159 will be clearly a much better team than we were 1061 00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:39.440 last year, just because it takes time and my defense 1062 00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:43.119 is bought in. They understand and still instead of them 1063 00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:45.239 second guessing where they're supposed to be and what they're 1064 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:47.440 supposed to be doing and getting the places late, now 1065 00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:49.920 they just know and that will make a difference. 1066 00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:51.400 And so he told me. 1067 00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:54.119 I interpreted that as okay, I think the AI is 1068 00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:57.199 gonna win seven or eight games, and I got laughed 1069 00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.079 to scorn when I said they had a shotover the 1070 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:04.159 A game. But here we are and they are on 1071 00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:08.119 the cut of surpassing that very soon. But yeah, so 1072 00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.079 year two of J Hill, the core sticking together and 1073 00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:15.320 then a few key transfers, and I'll finish with TJ. 1074 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:19.039 Woods as an offensive line coach that BYU went out 1075 00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:22.960 and paid. They actually invested in a guy, and they 1076 00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:24.880 spent a little bit of money and they went and 1077 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.440 got their guy to help out. And the improvement of 1078 00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:33.480 the offensive line cannot be I don't even know how 1079 00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:36.400 to give it a stud justice. But Caleb etn was 1080 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:40.039 terrible last year for BYU and now he's back on 1081 00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:43.480 NFL radars. To lose your starting center Connor pay and 1082 00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:45.400 then have a guy who's making his first start and 1083 00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:49.280 Bruce Mitchell come in and it seems fretting seamless. That's 1084 00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.000 all on TJ. Woods as well. So some some big 1085 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.159 coaching hires on the offensive line year tube J. Hill 1086 00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.840 and just the core sticking together Spences is kind of 1087 00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.159 how I see why by has been able to do this. 1088 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.039 And excuse me, I know I'm about to ask you 1089 00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.440 the following question in the midst of an incredibly special season. 1090 00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:10.159 So you know, the answer of course is going to 1091 00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:11.000 be yes for today. 1092 00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:14.599 But as you know, we we we we all are 1093 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.079 part of an echo cham chamber based off of our 1094 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.480 you know, our our inner circle family friends. And I 1095 00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.320 was raised tried and true BUYU blue with a brother 1096 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:25.039 in law who still wears a T shirt with his 1097 00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:27.079 freaking helim and Hall's number on it that. 1098 00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:28.760 I want to rip off of it every time I 1099 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:29.159 see it. 1100 00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:33.360 Okay, So I know, Spencer, I know that there were 1101 00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:36.039 a lot of people that were down on Kilanie at 1102 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:38.079 one point and not sure if this was the guy. 1103 00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:40.960 He's my guy, and so I want to make sure 1104 00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:44.039 that he's taken care of. Has he answered every question? 1105 00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.760 And you think it's a situation where maybe they're going 1106 00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:48.280 to take care of him the way they take care 1107 00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:49.239 of their basketball coach. 1108 00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:54.000 Now it is time, I'll say this much sence. I 1109 00:53:54.159 --> 00:54:00.559 don't know what Kilanie's compensation and how BYU has specifically 1110 00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.079 taken care of him by the numbers, but I have 1111 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:09.480 been told that he is in a better position than 1112 00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:12.800 any previous doa football coach has been in, and they 1113 00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:17.559 have every intention of sweetening the deal for him as 1114 00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:21.039 he pushes forward, so and he has absolutely earned that right, 1115 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:23.760 so you're good to look out for him. I trust 1116 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:27.199 the administration that tells me he is being very fairly 1117 00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:31.519 taken care of and they have no intention of doing 1118 00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:34.679 anything but sweetening to pop for him, especially after the 1119 00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:35.280 season like this. 1120 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:37.599 It's good to hear man, because I'll tell you what. 1121 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:41.280 I'm not sure how many jobs Klannie would leave by 1122 00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:44.119 U four, but I wouldn't be stunned if Southern Cal 1123 00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.840 is looking around like what we do. And you know 1124 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:49.079 they want to buy out with Lincoln. I don't know 1125 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:51.000 if that's happening because they're paying him a ton of money. 1126 00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:53.000 But if there's one job Colonie would look at, it 1127 00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.679 has to be Southern Cal. So if they don't take 1128 00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:57.559 care of him, man, I do think at one point 1129 00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:58.360 he might look around. 1130 00:54:58.480 --> 00:54:59.960 I don't know that, but that's just my gut feel. 1131 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:03.119 How do you not though, I mean any good age, 1132 00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:06.320 any good eight, it's gonna say you need to look 1133 00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.559 at this, and and Klana, they wouldn't say that if 1134 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:12.679 that were the case, So I'm with you. BUYU needs 1135 00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:14.360 to continue to do what they say they're gonna do and. 1136 00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:17.599 Take care of him all right before we get to 1137 00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:19.280 the game in a vacuum on Saturday. 1138 00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:21.480 I'm a little older than you, but you and I. 1139 00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:25.880 Both raised playing sports, raised with the BYU Utah rivalry 1140 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:27.599 is part of our lives now being in the media 1141 00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:28.920 for a number of years, we've covered it. 1142 00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:33.119 Is there one moment, is it back to Harlen? Is 1143 00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:34.079 it fourth and eighteen? 1144 00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:38.480 Is there one BYU Utah rivalry moment that for you, 1145 00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:40.280 Spencer stands out above the rest. 1146 00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:47.719 Yeah, Beck to the Harlen obviously was remarkable, I mean remarkable. 1147 00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:50.039 And then on the Utah side you go back to 1148 00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.320 the youth there racing a twenty to nothing halftime lead 1149 00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:56.760 and then for BYU and then even being down twenty 1150 00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:59.599 seven to seven, to watch the youth storm back and 1151 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.000 win that game. As part of the list of the 1152 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:05.159 White Fence to watch, that is I will never forget 1153 00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:08.360 what Rice Cycle Stadium sounded like. It felt like in 1154 00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:13.039 that moment, it was electric, It was special. So those 1155 00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.239 are two that I have been in Rife Cycle Stadium 1156 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:18.599 for that has been dynamited. I know haul the George 1157 00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.119 gets a lot of attention, but one that might be 1158 00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:27.280 a little off the radar that resonated with me was 1159 00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:32.039 actually nineteen ninety six when BYU and Utah were playing 1160 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:34.719 for the wast championship and that spot in the last 1161 00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:37.199 title game in Las Vegas, and the winner of that 1162 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:40.480 game was gonna go to Vegas. Usah was good, I mean, 1163 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:45.920 Chris Pumasumafalla and big physical team, and Byu went into 1164 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:50.360 right eckels and ran for like three hundred and thtyards 1165 00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:53.280 and C. Sarkisian only throw twelve passes the entire game, 1166 00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:57.159 and Ba stunned Utah, And I mean I remember sitting 1167 00:56:57.199 --> 00:56:59.000 there as like a ninth grade or a tenth grader 1168 00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:03.159 and thinking, how did YU do that? Because you so good? 1169 00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:08.000 So that one was a memorable one for me is 1170 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:11.000 when I was in my formative years growing up in 1171 00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:15.039 this rivalry because I expected something entirely different and then 1172 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:19.159 Dyu essentially out Utah Utah by running the ball at 1173 00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:23.280 them NonStop and frankly spen last time by had a 1174 00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:27.199 convincing win against Utah. It's always been close, and we're 1175 00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:29.400 you go all the way back to ninety six to 1176 00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:32.760 find a blowout for Byu, whereas Utah has enjoyed several 1177 00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:34.320 in the past twenty five years. 1178 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:38.159 And because of the dynamic of this game, regardless of 1179 00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:40.960 the situations between the two teams, you know, the chaos 1180 00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:45.360 as possible. Now where I'm at is, there's if there's 1181 00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:48.280 anybody out there that is pointing to any number or 1182 00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:51.480 any data to indicate Utah is a better team than BYU, 1183 00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:52.679 then they're looking at numbers. 1184 00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:55.000 I don't see. There's no proof. 1185 00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:59.599 There's no proof that Utah is better than BYU, not Vegas, 1186 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.280 not any of the rankings. There are some numbers that 1187 00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:06.159 indicate Utah's defense is still very good. They're doing they're 1188 00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:07.280 doing the quarterback thing. 1189 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:07.679 You know. 1190 00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.159 Now for me, Spencer, I'm not reporting this because I 1191 00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:12.639 don't know it. We're gonna interview coach with on Friday. 1192 00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:16.559 After having clowne on Monday. Brandon Rose was made available 1193 00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:19.159 to the media for the first time on Tuesday, and 1194 00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.559 my man spoke like he's playing, but I don't know, Okay, 1195 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:26.119 So that's that's my guess. Ultimately, how much does that matter? 1196 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:29.519 We'll see there's a new play caller. There's no other 1197 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:33.000 way to say that the offense is atrocious, and BYU 1198 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:34.960 rolls in here as a four point favorite. 1199 00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:37.920 I think I heard you say the stat because I listen. 1200 00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:39.800 I listened to the pod I've got you guys on 1201 00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:40.239 in the car. 1202 00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.440 That hit me across the face when you said BYU 1203 00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:47.239 was outscored teams off turnovers sixty nine to ten, which 1204 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:51.280 says two things. Holy bleep, that's impressive and that can't 1205 00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:54.880 continue right like So, so you know, I have a 1206 00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.599 hard time believing Utah is gonna win this football game. 1207 00:58:57.679 --> 00:58:59.760 But I've seen so many of these things get weird 1208 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.199 that I'm not ready to say one way or the other. 1209 00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:04.000 What's your gut tell you about Saturday night? 1210 00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:09.760 That it will be weird. That's what my gut tells 1211 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:13.239 me for sure. The one thing that BYU have to 1212 00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:17.000 absolutely avoid that they want to win this game is 1213 00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:19.760 doing what they really haven't done all year, and that 1214 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:24.280 is be reckless and careless with the football. Because Utah 1215 00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:30.119 defense is still so solid and so capable of ramping 1216 00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:33.519 up a hornets nest of a home stadium. If they 1217 00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:37.599 can get one of those terminal turnovers against EYU and 1218 00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:40.920 score a defensive touchdown and put BYU in a weird 1219 00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:45.800 mental space, that to me is how Utah can go 1220 00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:48.719 and win this game, especially if it's early in the game, 1221 00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:51.599 and it just sets the tone for the remainder of 1222 00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:56.800 the night that Utah defense is still really, really formidable, 1223 00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:01.639 even though they've had at times trouble stopping the run. Overall, statistically, 1224 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:05.000 like you pointed out, they're pretty good. And so to me, 1225 01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:08.920 it is as simple as BYU taking care of the 1226 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:12.960 football and not losing the turnover margin. I believe that 1227 01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:15.559 if they do that, Thecouvers will find a way to 1228 01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:19.960 manufacture twenty four points somehow with their offense and be 1229 01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:23.960 able to hold Utah to under twenty four. Frankly, utahn't 1230 01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:26.239 scored what more than twenty three in any gaming its 1231 01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:30.480 powerful competition, So if you allow to use a defensive touchdown, 1232 01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.519 then maybe they climb over twenty four against the P 1233 01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:36.440 four team for the first time this year and shock 1234 01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:41.159 BYU and in a way salvage their season and probably 1235 01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:44.000 still get to a Boldie. So a lot on the line, 1236 01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:46.559 for sure, But I mean my gut feeling is yes, 1237 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:50.400 I expect it's weird, loud, and I know there's a 1238 01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:52.719 lot of rhetoric about Utah fans not showing up. I 1239 01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:54.440 don't buy into it. I think there's going to be 1240 01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:56.519 a sea of red, and I think that there should 1241 01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:59.480 be because there's so much to play for and so 1242 01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:00.800 much on the ligne here for both. 1243 01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:03.639 You're making the trip up this way, you're gonna stay 1244 01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:04.159 down south. 1245 01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:09.039 I will be on the sideline. Yeah, So I'm going 1246 01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:12.760 to experience it. And I love college football. I love 1247 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:15.079 this rivalry, and I'm excited for it to be in 1248 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:18.039 the same conference again after a long, long time off. 1249 01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:19.800 All Right, man, well, I'll keep an eye out for 1250 01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:21.400 you because I'll be there. I'll say what's up. I 1251 01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:23.880 appreciate your time. Fun week, dudes. I'll see you Saturday. 1252 01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:25.960 Okay, you got it, brother, be well. 1253 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:29.320 All right, We're live today at beer Bar right downtown 1254 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:30.519 Salt Lake City, Utah. 1255 01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:33.800 Great sausages and burgers, about one hundred and thirty beers 1256 01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:38.800 on tap, another forty to fifty Canon bottled beers non 1257 01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:41.960 alcohol options for those of you who don't drink. It's 1258 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:45.079 oddly crowded on this Wednesday. I think people are either 1259 01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:49.400 celebrating or drowning their sorrows. We have tailgate passes for 1260 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.000 the Utah BYU tailgate coming up on Saturday. 1261 01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:53.960 Let's do some more college football. 1262 01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:56.320 Always enjoy my time with my next guest the Great 1263 01:01:56.519 --> 01:02:01.159 Josh Pate from Josh Pat's College Football Show on Wednesday afternoon. Josh, 1264 01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:02.440 Happy Wednesday, buddy, how are we doing? 1265 01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:06.880 I'm good. I assume that there are a multitude of 1266 01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:08.960 reasons for people to be on edge out there and 1267 01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:11.519 gearing up for this weekend, if I'm not mistaken. 1268 01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:15.599 Yes, certainly, and obviously, Josh. Last night, we're all sitting 1269 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:18.920 in front of our TVs. We're nervous about the results 1270 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:20.920 that are going to roll in. We see state by 1271 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:24.519 state by state by state, and then it's revealed that 1272 01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:26.679 BYU comes into nine. So you thought I was doing 1273 01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:28.559 an election thing, and I wasn't doing an election thing. 1274 01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:32.239 I was doing a CFP ranking thing. So a lot 1275 01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.199 of people around here wondering BYU at nine with a 1276 01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:38.679 resume that you could argue is better than Indiana at 1277 01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:41.519 eight and maybe even Penn States at six. I mean, 1278 01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:44.519 BYU is undefeated. They have two top twenty wins. There 1279 01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:47.440 are number four in strength of schedule. What's the Josh 1280 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:50.199 Pate take on BYU coming in at nine last night? 1281 01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.679 I thought they'd be higher. Honestly, I think they should 1282 01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:56.079 be higher. I mean, I mean as much as as 1283 01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:59.400 much as I personally liked the traffic in the way 1284 01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:02.440 I teams based on a more pure power rating model. 1285 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.280 That's not what the Playoff Committee is supposed to be doing. 1286 01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:07.440 The Playoff Committee is supposed to be judging purely off merit. 1287 01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:10.679 And you notice how after all these years, we never 1288 01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:14.639 have a static list of criteria put out. And that's 1289 01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:17.760 very purposeful, so they can move the goalpost as much 1290 01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:20.039 as they need to. And I'm not normally the one 1291 01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:21.840 that's banging that drum, but I will bang it here. 1292 01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:24.000 I'll bang it for both of them. Actually, i'd make 1293 01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:27.000 that case for Indiana if they were wearing a Michigan helmet. 1294 01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:29.239 I'd make that case for Bringing Young if they were 1295 01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:31.840 wearing a different helmet, they would be treated differently. I 1296 01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:33.159 don't think there's any doubt about that. 1297 01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:33.480 Now. 1298 01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:37.199 What aggravates me to no ends with all these people 1299 01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:40.719 who want to tell you, Bro, relax, it doesn't matter, 1300 01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:43.760 it's just the first version of the rankings. Well, they're 1301 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:46.599 lying to you. It does matter. And here's where it matters. 1302 01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:48.559 It doesn't matter if Bringing Young wins out of course 1303 01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:50.280 they'll be in. They were always going to be in 1304 01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:51.360 if they won the conference. 1305 01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:53.639 But where it matters, where. 1306 01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:56.800 Rubber meats road is. They are building a giant trap 1307 01:03:56.920 --> 01:04:00.480 door under your feet and under Indiana's feet to where 1308 01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:03.159 they can reasonably pat themselves on the back for having 1309 01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:05.800 ranked you top ten. But you know full well, just 1310 01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:07.760 like I do, as soon as either one of those 1311 01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:11.920 teams incurs one laws, they're gone. Trapdoor opens and they 1312 01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:15.280 disappear from the horizon, and that committee says, well, you know, 1313 01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:19.559 we gave them a shot, they didn't take care of business. Meanwhile, 1314 01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:22.599 I got Penn State sitting at six after losing to 1315 01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:24.960 Ohio State at home last weekend, which is just amazing 1316 01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:25.239 to me. 1317 01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:30.679 Yeah, No, I'm with you outside of BYU, outside of Indiana. 1318 01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:33.599 You kind of gave us your take on Penn State. 1319 01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:37.920 Any other Josh Paid reactions either good or bad from 1320 01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:41.800 the rest of the rankings, which aren't the seeding for 1321 01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:43.880 the bracket, but not one of the rankings. What are 1322 01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:46.679 your other thoughts away from the dynamics we've already discussed. 1323 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:50.920 I thought I thought it was interesting that seven of 1324 01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.280 the top sixteen teams and that thing or sec but 1325 01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:57.880 a lot of them are ten to sixteen range, Like 1326 01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:00.760 you got your Alabama's and your shoes and no play 1327 01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:03.239 this weekend. A and M and Ole miss are in there, 1328 01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:07.639 so there's gonna be probably some elimination blows dealt, which 1329 01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:09.480 is fine, that's the way it's supposed to work. But 1330 01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:14.000 we're also in this situation where I mean, we are 1331 01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:19.079 looking at a situation rapidly approaching where the SEC is 1332 01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:22.480 going to kind of judge themselves and judge how their 1333 01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:26.039 future they want pent out based on a committee handles 1334 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:28.760 them this cycle. And what I mean by if they 1335 01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:30.559 don't get as many teams in as they want or 1336 01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:33.000 they think they deserve Big ten, you could fill in 1337 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:35.360 the blank. Same way here. They've got that look in 1338 01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:38.119 provision in that playoff contract in two years, and they 1339 01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:39.679 may very well want to take their ball and go 1340 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:42.519 home or go elsewhere. And I'm paying close attention to 1341 01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:43.039 that right now. 1342 01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:48.440 So ultimately, it does feel like the other message that 1343 01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:50.880 has been since And I don't even know if this 1344 01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:54.599 is the wrong message, because dude, we do a big 1345 01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:57.599 twelve power rankings every week. You know, anybody who covers 1346 01:05:57.639 --> 01:05:59.760 the conference does something like it. You have your your 1347 01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:02.760 JA people, And this week I told my producer, we're 1348 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:05.400 not doing it because it sounds like BYU at one, 1349 01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:07.840 then everyone else two through sixteen, and I don't know 1350 01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:10.559 if they're good or bad. I mean, the problem is 1351 01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:14.519 the conference is chaotic. So is this a message scent 1352 01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:17.519 with BYU at nine that the Big twelve period end 1353 01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:19.840 of story is a one big league. 1354 01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:21.159 And that's going to go to the conference champ no 1355 01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:21.559 matter what. 1356 01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:27.159 Uh, that's a big question. I have I heard them 1357 01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:30.400 say last night or I though it reported that they're 1358 01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:33.760 trying to trying to crystallize the notion that you won't 1359 01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:36.559 get punished for playing in a conference title game, which 1360 01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:38.719 is great. That's the way it should be, Okay. I 1361 01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:40.679 don't doubt that for the Big Ten. I don't doubt 1362 01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:43.039 that for the SEC. I don't think their conference title 1363 01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:46.280 loser will fall very far. I want to see what happens. 1364 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:48.760 We kind of need the case study here of Brigham 1365 01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:52.480 Young goes undefeated all the way to Dallas and then 1366 01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:55.800 they lose in the conference title game. They would almost assuredly, 1367 01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:59.119 I mean, they would absolutely be a top ten team. 1368 01:06:59.159 --> 01:06:59.880 Going into that SAT. 1369 01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:03.800 If they lose in a game that they're only in 1370 01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:06.039 because they earn the right to be in, are you 1371 01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:09.079 going to drop them out of the rankings, because if 1372 01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:12.199 you don't, then they go as well as the Big 1373 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:14.519 twelve champ going. And that means two Big twelve teams 1374 01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:18.360 just crash the party. And I know that this is 1375 01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:20.760 not the way it's supposed to work, but this is 1376 01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.440 the way it will work. The folks in the SEC 1377 01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:27.119 portion of the room will scream about that. The folks 1378 01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:29.079 in the Big ten portion of the room will scream 1379 01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:32.280 about that. That is not why they expanded this thing now, 1380 01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:35.400 That is not why they built more seats at the table. 1381 01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:38.000 Those seats are not for everyone else. Those seats are 1382 01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:39.840 for more of who's already been there. 1383 01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:44.400 One more thing on this. Boise State comes in and look, 1384 01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:46.519 Boise State's good. I mean, we're kind of in that 1385 01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:50.599 footprint because Utah State a Mound West Conference team. Is 1386 01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:54.079 there any way Boise States in your estimation, and of 1387 01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:56.360 course there's no way of knowing for sure because ultimately 1388 01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:58.599 the football needs to be played, but there are only 1389 01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:01.679 a few spots behind by you. Is there any way 1390 01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:06.079 Boise State could catapult past the Big twelve champ and 1391 01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:08.960 get a top four seed, and therefore that Boise gets 1392 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:11.000 the buy and the Big twelve champ is there at five. 1393 01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:14.400 I think it's possible. 1394 01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:18.039 It just you'd probably need a little chaos here down 1395 01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:20.840 the stretch, and then one of the teams that emerges 1396 01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:24.319 from the chaos ends up being the winner of the 1397 01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:26.800 Big twelve championship game. So maybe like a two lost 1398 01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:30.000 conference chant there, then I could see it. If it's 1399 01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:32.680 just Britinging Young going on a run, no, I think 1400 01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:33.960 that enjoy the higher seeds. 1401 01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:36.720 I've got one more BYU question for it. 1402 01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:38.800 Then we'll move on and obviously want to talk about 1403 01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:41.359 the big game coming up on Saturday night. But you 1404 01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:44.720 reference something early on in the interview about you know, 1405 01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:48.680 the Michigan helmet or the Penn State brand, and certainly 1406 01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:51.479 there's going to be brand biased and they're television executives 1407 01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:53.479 that simply want the biggest and best brand on their 1408 01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:54.159 TV show. 1409 01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:54.960 And I understand that. 1410 01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:59.760 What from a national standpoint, and not necessarily you because 1411 01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:03.560 you cover and understand every team in college football, which 1412 01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:05.079 makes you, you know, good at what you do. 1413 01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:06.319 But how would you. 1414 01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:10.720 Articulate as a national college football guy, what BYU's brand 1415 01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:11.960 is nationwide? 1416 01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:15.760 I think the. 1417 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:20.239 Brand is tucked away and isolated, hard to get to, 1418 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:24.319 really hard nosed team hard NOS program. They embody the 1419 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:27.640 mentality of their head coach to kind of always been 1420 01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:28.079 that way. 1421 01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:28.359 There. 1422 01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:32.960 There are echoes from the past of big time teams. 1423 01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:35.239 You hear from your dad. If you're my age, you've 1424 01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:38.520 heard from your dad growing up about Brigham Young teams 1425 01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:41.000 that did big things in the eighties, and you know 1426 01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:43.239 of a few big time names will come through there. 1427 01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:46.880 As for today, I think that people are still getting 1428 01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:49.000 used to by being in the Big twelve. First off, 1429 01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:51.199 like a lot of people have put two and two 1430 01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:54.800 together there, and then when they do, they've probably lumped 1431 01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:56.760 them in with every other Big twelve team, and that 1432 01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:59.199 you've got to earn benefit of the doubt. In their minds, 1433 01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:03.199 position is you're lesser than because you don't have an 1434 01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:06.359 SEC or a big ten helmet sticker on. And I 1435 01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:08.800 think that's the way the average college football fan to use. 1436 01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:11.319 Bring him young right now, So we have a little 1437 01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:14.760 football game here in the market coming up on Saturday night. 1438 01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:17.680 I made a plea early on to get a Josh 1439 01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:20.520 paid appearance out here for Utah BYU, but that was 1440 01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:22.920 dependent upon both teams doing their jobs. 1441 01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:25.640 BYU has Utah has not. 1442 01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:30.840 We can be simply as reductive as saying, Cameron Rising's 1443 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:32.760 not under center and he's been hurt. 1444 01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:35.720 Therefore everything is different. But nobody saw four and four 1445 01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:38.079 for Utah, and no one saw. 1446 01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:40.640 Eight no for BYU. Everything I thought Utah would be 1447 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:44.560 BYU has been. How surprised are you, Josh on that dynamic. 1448 01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:49.079 I'm very surprised. I mean, if you told me I 1449 01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:51.239 wasn't coming out there, I would have thought it was 1450 01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:53.479 because one of these teams dropped the ball, I would 1451 01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:55.720 just have the wrong team service right, And so as 1452 01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:58.840 it turns out, I mean, it's it kind of. It 1453 01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:02.720 surprises me only because Cam Rising not being available is 1454 01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:04.399 not the biggest shock to anyone in the world. I 1455 01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:07.239 just thought the program may be a tad bit more 1456 01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:10.600 equipped to deal with it. And maybe I was wrong, 1457 01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:13.960 or maybe I was just overestimating how difficult that is 1458 01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:17.560 to continue to prepare for. But you know, I wanted 1459 01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:19.600 to be out there now. We had it circled internally, 1460 01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:21.600 I had it on the grease board in the office internally, 1461 01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:26.880 But plans plans chain as the season unfolded. 1462 01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:29.720 Yes, indeed, I can't argue with it. As much as 1463 01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:31.399 we would have loved to host you once again. Like 1464 01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:34.640 we did last year against Florida. One more big twelve question. 1465 01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:36.840 Then we'll do some other stuff with the remaining few minutes, 1466 01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:39.359 and then I'll set you loose outside of Brigham me ONNG, 1467 01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:41.840 who do you think is good in the conference? 1468 01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:43.880 Because I really can't figure it out week to week. 1469 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:48.279 I think Colorado is the biggest wild card out there. 1470 01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:54.079 I mean Colorado has improved defensively, fairly significantly. They run 1471 01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:57.079 the ball much better than they did, so they are 1472 01:11:57.199 --> 01:12:00.359 I mean, they're a complimentary, improving football team. And last 1473 01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:01.920 week I thought they were the biggest winner out there, 1474 01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:04.520 even though they didn't play because Iowa State Kansas State 1475 01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:06.760 went down. I don't trust Iowa State or I don't 1476 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:09.000 trust Kansas State away from home at all. Right now, 1477 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:12.159 Iowa State, I thought they had been skating on thin 1478 01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:14.960 ice with hot blades for a few weeks and got 1479 01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:18.079 a lost dealt to him by another team that's pretty 1480 01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:20.199 bog walk card in Texas Tech. I kind of think 1481 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.199 that may end up being good for them, just in 1482 01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:25.680 that it allows you to hit the reset button a 1483 01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:27.479 little bit and you're no longer dealing with the pressure 1484 01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:30.079 of undefeated, and do you just go play every one 1485 01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.039 of your goals is still in front of you. Just 1486 01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:35.680 go play. I'm still pretty high on the Hiowa State's capability. 1487 01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:38.159 I think they've got the highest end capability of any 1488 01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:40.840 of the teams out there. But Colorado is the one 1489 01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:43.720 that I circle because Colorado's one I don't really know. 1490 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:45.880 They haven't peaked yet and I don't know what they 1491 01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:46.680 look like when they do. 1492 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:52.079 As as disappointing as Utah football has been, and how 1493 01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:54.399 difficult that is for a fan base around here with 1494 01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:59.680 different expectations, how do you articulate owen six Oklahoma states 1495 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:00.760 in conference? 1496 01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:04.800 I think I think Gandhi did a pretty poor job 1497 01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:07.359 of putting his coordinators together. I don't think this is 1498 01:13:07.399 --> 01:13:09.520 a very strong staff he has. It was one of 1499 01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:12.319 my biggest concerns coming end of the year, and it is. 1500 01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:16.119 It has really manifested itself into a poor result. I 1501 01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:18.520 give him credit, and they went and played BYU hard 1502 01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:20.640 in the game they played against him a few weeks back. 1503 01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:23.359 Still lost, but I expected that team to kind of 1504 01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:26.359 roll over and they didn't. But they're just it's not 1505 01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:28.399 a good team this year. And it's a shame because 1506 01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:31.239 they had a lot of returning pieces that looked like 1507 01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:33.479 it may be otherwise, but that they have not even 1508 01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:34.520 getten this as a chance. 1509 01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:37.960 Yeah, you know, you reference Colorado, and I'm not sure 1510 01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:40.319 that I've really ever seen a talent like Travis Hunter. 1511 01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:44.439 Shouldn't he win the Heisman Trophy? Josh? And if not, 1512 01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:45.239 who do you think does? 1513 01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:48.279 I think it's I think it's gonna come down to 1514 01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:51.880 is he active on Conference championship Saturday. It's gonna be 1515 01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:55.840 him and Camboard, I believe, and and Dylan Gabriel may 1516 01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:58.119 be in that equation. But the thing about those other 1517 01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:00.520 guys is Gabriel will be playing in the Big ten 1518 01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:03.000 title game. I think I think cam Ward certainly will 1519 01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:05.840 be playing in the ACC title game. If Hunter is 1520 01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:09.359 just playing on that last Saturday, I think that's going 1521 01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:11.520 to make a big difference, because otherwise, I think the 1522 01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:13.079 voters are going to be willing. I think a lot 1523 01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:15.920 of voters are looking for a reason to vote him, 1524 01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:18.039 and it may come down to that. It may be 1525 01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:18.680 as simple as that. 1526 01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:24.840 All right, moving off the Big twelve, now, just simple question, 1527 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:27.199 how good do you think Miami is? It's another team 1528 01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:30.079 when you're looking at the resume and their number four 1529 01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:32.520 and of course the bottom line is staying clean, which 1530 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:36.079 they've done. But do you think their record where they're 1531 01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:39.840 at right now accurately reflects simply how good they are? 1532 01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:43.239 And if they have the opportunity to go against another 1533 01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:45.199 one of those teams that live in that cul de sac, 1534 01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:47.000 do they stack up in your mind. 1535 01:14:49.239 --> 01:14:51.680 Talent wise? They do. I don't think the product they've 1536 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:55.319 put on the field measures quite yet, but we can't 1537 01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:59.560 be sure because they you know, they haven't been pushed 1538 01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:03.640 to the against quality competition. They've been pushed to the brink, 1539 01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:06.560 But it's almost one of those situations where they played 1540 01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:08.520 with their food a little too long and then took 1541 01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:10.399 it serious in the end. If I put them on 1542 01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:12.840 the field with Texas or Georgia, I don't really know 1543 01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:15.119 what I should expect from them in that scenario. I 1544 01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:16.800 think we'll end up seeing it because I think they'll 1545 01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:19.920 be in the postseason. But the other thing I wonder 1546 01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:23.560 with them is I remember kind of two different versions 1547 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:27.279 of LSU the twenty nineteen and twenty twenty three LSU teams. 1548 01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:30.680 They both had Heisman quarterbacks. One of them got it 1549 01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:34.039 backed together enough defensively to become a superpower team in 1550 01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:37.560 twenty nineteen wasn't always that way. Last year's LSU team 1551 01:15:37.880 --> 01:15:41.840 heis MC quarterback, but couldn't stop molasses in December defensively, 1552 01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:45.720 and so they wasted that Heisman season and never accomplished 1553 01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:48.840 anything of note in the postseason. Miami's gonna go one 1554 01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:51.039 of those two directions here. I'm just waiting to see 1555 01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:51.439 which one. 1556 01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:55.199 Do you think we were discussing this earlier, because we 1557 01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:58.479 were talking about Byu and Klonie Satake and whether or 1558 01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:01.199 not they were gonna actually step up and pay him. 1559 01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:03.680 It's a private institution, but they're known for not paying 1560 01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:07.840 their coaches very much. And look, I have no inside 1561 01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:10.960 information or knowledge at all about where Southern Cal's head 1562 01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:15.760 is with Lincoln, but ultimately Klannie's a Southern California guy, 1563 01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:18.359 and if that job came open, I think he would 1564 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:20.239 answer the phone if they called. I don't know what 1565 01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:22.079 they would, I don't know if they would, but that's 1566 01:16:22.119 --> 01:16:23.680 a long way to me asking you do you think 1567 01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:26.399 Southern Cal is looking around wondering if they have the 1568 01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:29.079 right guy after this really, really rough first season of 1569 01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:29.560 the Big Ten. 1570 01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:34.399 I think they may look around and ask the questions. 1571 01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:37.119 I don't think they're looking around in the form of 1572 01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:40.319 let's do our due diligence because we may make a move. 1573 01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:42.239 I think they're a long way from that. I did 1574 01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:45.319 a segment on the show last night, just did job 1575 01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.920 approval ratings, and Lincoln Riley's approval rating would be a 1576 01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:51.079 little low right now. But that's kind of detached from 1577 01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:53.239 his hot seat rating. I don't think it's hot seat 1578 01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:55.079 ratings anywhere. I'd say the same thing about Hugh Freeve 1579 01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:58.479 at Auburn after that mattered. But I will say this, 1580 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:01.920 I've lost it and they've led in the fourth quarter 1581 01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:03.680 of all five of those games. I mean they're having 1582 01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:06.079 a dozen plays if you change in their season. They're undefeated, 1583 01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:09.399 which means nothing other than to say they're not a 1584 01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:12.039 long way away. It's not Florida State, where they're just 1585 01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:14.920 dead on arrival and there's so many problems you don't 1586 01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:17.800 even know where to start. He started, he replaced his 1587 01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:20.880 defensive staff. They look a lot better this year. I mean, 1588 01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:23.319 it's probably as simple as you don't have Caleb Williams anymore, 1589 01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:25.000 and you need to go find the next version of him. 1590 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:30.159 Where's the Josh Paid Tour taking place coming up this weekend? 1591 01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:30.800 Where are you going to be. 1592 01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:35.720 We are headed down to Baton Rouge, Louisiana or Alabama 1593 01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:37.479 at LSU on a Saturday night. 1594 01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:40.079 You know, I've never experienced that game. 1595 01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:44.000 I have experienced LSU, but I've heard that's the spot, man, 1596 01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:45.760 that's the place to be with that game. 1597 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:48.960 What I would imagine you've been there before. So what's 1598 01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:50.119 that atmosphere going to be? 1599 01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:50.319 Like? 1600 01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:52.800 A is Bama is down in Baton Rouge to take 1601 01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:53.399 on LSU. 1602 01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:56.479 The best way I can describe it is if you're 1603 01:17:56.520 --> 01:18:01.640 standing on a runway at a major airport and you 1604 01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:03.800 just hear jet engines around you. That's kind of the 1605 01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:06.199 way it sounds on the field there in big third 1606 01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:10.800 down moments and especially at night double especially if Alabama 1607 01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:14.319 or Florida someone like that in there. I mean, especially 1608 01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:16.680 if LSU show some life early and they get up 1609 01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:17.399 on someone early. 1610 01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:19.560 It feels it. 1611 01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:22.399 Feels like you weigh one hundred and fifty pound or 1612 01:18:22.399 --> 01:18:24.319 one hundred and fifty percent of your body weight. You 1613 01:18:24.439 --> 01:18:27.159 just press it down on you. It is really really 1614 01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:28.760 difficult to operate in that environment. 1615 01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:31.039 We do like to keep track of our former Pac 1616 01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:31.760 twelve buddies. 1617 01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:34.800 What's the hulla baloo like the conversation like down and 1618 01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:38.159 down there with Alabama and our old buddy Calein de 1619 01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:40.840 Bor who's a great coach, but he's not Nick Saban, 1620 01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:41.680 because nobody is. 1621 01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:45.079 Yeah, there's a lot of attention on that this week, 1622 01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:49.159 just people and myself included wondering how they'll handle this 1623 01:18:49.279 --> 01:18:52.920 moment because they did not handle Tennessee well for many 1624 01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:56.159 different reasons, but one of them was Bama under Nick 1625 01:18:56.199 --> 01:19:00.359 Saban was a big game program, and I, ironic used 1626 01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:02.359 to feel more confident in them when they were on 1627 01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:04.359 the road than I did when they were at home. 1628 01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:06.760 I just thought they handled that stuff so well. And 1629 01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:08.560 it's really early with the boor we have like a 1630 01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:10.800 one game sample size, but I didn't like the way 1631 01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:12.920 they handled the trip to Tennessee. I think it was 1632 01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:15.199 a learning experience for him. This will be another one. 1633 01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:17.680 Both of them are coming out of the buy really 1634 01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:21.279 interested to see how Jaylen Milroe performs, how healthy he looks. 1635 01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:23.359 They'll tell you he's healthy now I don't believe him. 1636 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:27.680 So huge wildcard. Both teams are huge wildcards right now. 1637 01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:32.800 Last thing is Oregon firmly entrenched themselves as the best 1638 01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:35.000 team in the country, and if not who else is 1639 01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:36.760 in that kind of just in that area. 1640 01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:40.399 As of now, they're the best I've seen. I think 1641 01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:44.439 Texas has higher end potential. I think Ohio State has 1642 01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:47.479 high end potential. Oregon's the best I've seen. I've seen 1643 01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:49.399 them all in person, some of them a couple of times. 1644 01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:52.560 At this point. They are so multifaceted. They have got 1645 01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:55.199 an assassinate quarterback right now. They can run the ball 1646 01:19:55.279 --> 01:19:57.319 on you, they can stop the run. They're very multiple 1647 01:19:57.640 --> 01:20:00.920 and athletic. Defensively, I think they're to get Test Johnson 1648 01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:03.119 back before the end of the year. So that's the 1649 01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:04.800 one I'd like to be if I could pick any 1650 01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:05.640 team to be right now. 1651 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:08.239 Josh, thanks man for the time. Keep up the great work, 1652 01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:09.399 and enjoy the games this weekend. 1653 01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:11.319 All right, all right, appreciate it. 1654 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:14.920 Josh Pate, host of The Josh Pates College Football Show. 1655 01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:18.800 It's one of my favorite college football podcasts. Josh is 1656 01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:22.119 a very talented guy. Find him on social media on Twitter. 1657 01:20:22.199 --> 01:20:25.319 It's at Josh Pate CFB or X or whatever the 1658 01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:27.640 hell we're calling it. Certainly the day after what happened 1659 01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:32.159 yesterday at Josh Pate CFB is where. 1660 01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:35.119 You find him. Maybe all right. We're live today at 1661 01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:35.720 Beer Bar. 1662 01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:39.640 It's right downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, and we're having 1663 01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:40.079 a good time. 1664 01:20:40.159 --> 01:20:40.760 Always due. 1665 01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:42.560 You can come on down and grab a couple of 1666 01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:47.920 tailgate passes for our Utah BYU tailgates prior to Kick 1667 01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:52.000 kick His eight fifteen Saturday nights. The pregame coverage we'll 1668 01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:55.800 begin at four fifteen, So if you are looking for 1669 01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:57.600 something to do prior to the game, if you want 1670 01:20:57.680 --> 01:21:01.319 some craft cocktails from Clearwater Distillion or some free food 1671 01:21:01.399 --> 01:21:02.039 from Wingers. 1672 01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:04.760 We also have non alcoholic options of. 1673 01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:08.319 Course, come on by beer Bar two per person and 1674 01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:11.319 while supplies last, we have ten, so we'll hook you 1675 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:14.840 up with a couple of passes just for rolling on 1676 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:17.800 in here at Beer Bar on this Wednesday afternoon. 1677 01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:22.439 It is one sixty one just had the address. 1678 01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:25.079 It is one sixty one ees two hundred south, downtown 1679 01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:28.640 Salt Lake City, Utah. They've got great burgers and brats. 1680 01:21:28.680 --> 01:21:31.359 They've got fries. The fries are awesome of course, bunch. 1681 01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:32.239 Of beers on tap. 1682 01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:34.720 If you guys want to roll by porter, do you 1683 01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:39.239 have your pregame lineup dialed in for the radio station 1684 01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:40.640 on Saturday. 1685 01:21:40.520 --> 01:21:42.680 As dialed in as it's going to get because we 1686 01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:45.960 have the on site kind of event going on with 1687 01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:49.720 our friends at the NFL Players Association and a coat drive. 1688 01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:53.439 So yeah, Isaacasciata will be alongside me for most of 1689 01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:56.439 the ride, but we'll also have Stevenson, Sylvester and Austin 1690 01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:59.720 Colly and a bunch of the guys that'll be there 1691 01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:04.359 from both BYU and Utah. Trying to combine teams for 1692 01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:08.119 a good cause, trying to get two twenty four coats 1693 01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:11.600 to donate for the upcoming winter season. 1694 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:12.479 So that's the goal. 1695 01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:14.880 Where we're going to be actually not at the seven 1696 01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:16.960 hundred tailgate. We're gonna be across the street at the 1697 01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:21.119 actual Guardsman tailgate tailgate with Nate Orchard and the folks 1698 01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:24.680 up there. So looking forward to it. But yeah, we'll 1699 01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:29.479 give folks the details as it comes along. And obviously 1700 01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:32.319 you're gonna want to be warm on Saturday, but keep 1701 01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:35.319 in mind and just you know, a few days in advance, 1702 01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:38.840 if you have an extra coat in the closet, maybe 1703 01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:40.880 some of the kids don't wear anymore, throw it in 1704 01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:43.600 the truck, throw it in the car and bring it 1705 01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:44.880 on your way on Saturday. 1706 01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:45.680 There we go. 1707 01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:49.000 That will be an excellent time, So stay tuned for 1708 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:52.159 that and set your alarm on Saturday to remind you 1709 01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:55.640 of the pregame show starting at four fifteen, and then 1710 01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:58.079 Bill Sly and Scott I'll have you taken care of 1711 01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:00.880 after that. Bill is gonna roll on the show today, 1712 01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:02.359 not sure if it'll be in person or. 1713 01:23:02.319 --> 01:23:02.920 Over the phone. 1714 01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:07.199 Ran into Riles at the studios earlier, the Broadway Media Studios. 1715 01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:09.640 He was once a middling midday radio host for US 1716 01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:12.439 before he got big time and went to the U Porter. 1717 01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:14.720 We have not heard from you much this week because 1718 01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:17.000 we have been busy and you're keeping us on air, 1719 01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:19.439 and you're making phone calls, and you're playing music, and 1720 01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:22.199 you're pushing buttons and you're eating on crustables, so you're 1721 01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:25.119 doing a lot of things BYU at this point is 1722 01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:28.600 a four point favorite, and I would be surprised if 1723 01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:34.119 the line moves from four barring some unforeseen last minute 1724 01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:38.000 injury news or a different starting quarterback, like if Jake 1725 01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:40.840 Rhetz laugh had to you had to sit because of 1726 01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:42.720 an injury, suffer this week or whatever it is. 1727 01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:44.800 I think that's probably where it's gonna settle. 1728 01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:49.600 What's your confidence level based off of as we've talked 1729 01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:52.079 about with our guests, go ahead and dig through the 1730 01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:56.920 data like there's nothing out there right now. Whether it's records, 1731 01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:00.760 they're certainly defensive metrics that indicate Utah's defense is still elite. 1732 01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:04.760 But BYU has earned the right to be the favorite 1733 01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:08.039 Saturday Night. But this game gets weird, as you know. 1734 01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:11.159 So what's your gut tell you about what we'll see 1735 01:24:11.239 --> 01:24:11.800 Saturday Night? 1736 01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:15.359 Yeah, well, I think the gut feeling is along the 1737 01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:19.399 to pardon the pun, along the lines of the line. 1738 01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:22.279 It really is one where you know, I think it 1739 01:24:22.359 --> 01:24:25.920 will be a close game, but Utah in order to win, 1740 01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:29.560 would have to win the turnover battle. They would have 1741 01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:33.720 to you know, turn a block field goal or an 1742 01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:37.319 interception into a touchdown. One of those situations where you 1743 01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:41.279 are a little outmatched with personnel because of injuries and 1744 01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:43.880 because of the place you are in in the season. 1745 01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:46.640 And I do think that BYU has the upper hand, 1746 01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:49.039 But the fact that you're in right cycle stadium, the 1747 01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:51.279 fact that it's Kyle Whittingham versus a bunch of guys 1748 01:24:51.359 --> 01:24:53.479 that he kind of taught how to do the thing, 1749 01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:56.399 I think it's going to be a stalemate. Spence, I 1750 01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:58.600 really do. I don't know about three zero. I think 1751 01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:01.199 we're in a different era of college football. But Jay 1752 01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:05.319 Hill versus Kyle Whittingham on a cold November, I don't 1753 01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:06.880 know that we're gonna see very many points. And that 1754 01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:10.000 four point spread is is one that you know, I 1755 01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:11.680 don't know that i'd really touch it because I think 1756 01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:14.359 that this game very well could be decided by a 1757 01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:19.720 field goal, and if not, then it's probably a comfortable 1758 01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:22.520 by you win. But I just don't really see it 1759 01:25:22.640 --> 01:25:24.079 getting out of hand in that regard. 1760 01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:28.560 Okay, So I've talked about this as far as my 1761 01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:32.279 own personal opinion, and we've asked other people as far 1762 01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:33.840 as you know, Scott Mitchell, etc. 1763 01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:36.640 About their opinion on this. I don't know, man. 1764 01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:39.720 There was something about Brandon Rose on Tuesday, who was 1765 01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:43.199 made available to the media. He to me porter he 1766 01:25:43.319 --> 01:25:45.079 was talking like a kid it's gonna get the start. 1767 01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:46.760 He was talking like a kid that was gonna play. 1768 01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:50.119 That's my guess. I don't know what the deal is 1769 01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:53.960 with Isaac's wrist. You know, if he has legitimately been hurt, 1770 01:25:54.039 --> 01:25:56.399 and then that might explain quite a bit. But what 1771 01:25:56.479 --> 01:25:59.920 does your guy tell you on who's gonna start under 1772 01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:03.920 and if so, what sort of difference generally speaking, do 1773 01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:04.840 you think that makes well. 1774 01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:07.439 As you mentioned, part of the story here is that 1775 01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:09.640 Isaac Wilson has been dealing with it at wrist injury. 1776 01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:11.840 He's been dealing with I think some rib stuff, like 1777 01:26:12.119 --> 01:26:14.680 he's just been beat up. It's a kid who, let's 1778 01:26:14.760 --> 01:26:18.039 be real, wasn't expecting to take a bunch of snaps 1779 01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:20.880 this year. And there is an adjustment that your body 1780 01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:23.680 has to make when you go from playing as we've 1781 01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:26.880 talked about, from playing Farmington and Loan Peek or whoever, 1782 01:26:27.439 --> 01:26:31.600 to playing Big twelve opponents. There's an adjustment your body takes. 1783 01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:35.399 Usually five to ten pounds of muscle. Is what every 1784 01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:40.760 college coach tries to give every incoming freshman, something Isaac 1785 01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:42.880 hasn't had a chance to do. So part of this 1786 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:45.000 conversation is the fact that he is a little bit 1787 01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:48.600 banged up. But as you mentioned, Brandon Rose sounded like 1788 01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:52.079 a guy who's preparing to play. Now, what I'll say 1789 01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:55.199 about that is that Brandon Rose kind of always talks 1790 01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:58.079 like that. That's just the confidence that the kid kind 1791 01:26:58.119 --> 01:27:01.720 of walks around with. And whether that is is real, 1792 01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:05.840 you know, you have to go into this game thinking 1793 01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:08.920 that you may possibly see both of them. Spence, just 1794 01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:13.039 with the way the season is gone, with the length 1795 01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:15.960 of leash that I think the OC and head coach 1796 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:18.199 are going to give either of the quarterbacks that may 1797 01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:19.600 take a snap for Utah on Saturday. 1798 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:23.159 So another interesting narrative. And we talked to Spencer Lynton 1799 01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:26.079 from BYU TV about this earlier. And I want to 1800 01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:28.359 be careful because maybe I'm being part of the problem. 1801 01:27:28.600 --> 01:27:33.520 I simply have heard from and am aware of more 1802 01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:36.760 than a few Utah fans that do not want to 1803 01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:39.319 be there on Saturday, And according to what they've shared 1804 01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:42.319 with me, they have sold their tickets. 1805 01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:44.319 And some of the tickets online are very expensive. And 1806 01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:46.479 so maybe you know, this is a way you can. 1807 01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:49.680 Recoup some of your season ticket deposit or what have you. 1808 01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:53.520 But I don't know that that is going to have 1809 01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:57.119 a massive effect on the crowd on Saturday. You have 1810 01:27:57.199 --> 01:27:59.439 a different echo chamber than I do. What sort of 1811 01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:02.439 feedback are you getting from people or you fans that 1812 01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:05.079 you know about their plans on Saturday night? 1813 01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:05.560 Yeah? 1814 01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:08.640 Well, you know, I think there's always going to be 1815 01:28:08.840 --> 01:28:13.680 a healthy, healthy interest in this game in particular with 1816 01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:17.239 it being Utah BYU, I think the environment in the 1817 01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:20.119 stadium is going to be a lot of fun. I 1818 01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:24.359 don't really see any if fans or butts about that, 1819 01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:27.880 but I do think there is a healthy contingent of 1820 01:28:28.039 --> 01:28:30.560 Utah fans that, because of the way not only this 1821 01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:33.119 year played out, but also last year, and because of 1822 01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:37.079 the expectations that they had, some of them spent they're 1823 01:28:37.119 --> 01:28:40.199 not missing their game, missing this game because they're not, 1824 01:28:40.279 --> 01:28:42.399 you know, cheering for Utah. They're going to go home 1825 01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:44.800 and still cheer for their team. But they had such 1826 01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:48.640 high expectations for this game and for this season that 1827 01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:51.079 they thought, you know, a month or two ago, that 1828 01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:54.359 they would be watching an undefeated Utah team playing a 1829 01:28:54.760 --> 01:28:59.079 lesser BYU team and their team would be the one 1830 01:28:59.159 --> 01:29:02.640 fighting for a a chance at the college football playoff. 1831 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:05.880 And I think because of that letdown, there are quite 1832 01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:08.600 a few fans that are saying, hey, why don't I 1833 01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:10.520 make a few hundred bucks and watch the game from 1834 01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:13.640 down the road and sell my ticket and go from there. 1835 01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:16.880 I have seen a good amount of people that are 1836 01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:19.840 at least talking about that online or listing their tickets. 1837 01:29:20.199 --> 01:29:22.680 I still it's not going to be more BYU fans 1838 01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:24.880 here than Utah fans. That's not going to happen, but 1839 01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:27.680 there will be a healthy contingent of Cougar fans at 1840 01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:31.760 Rice Cycles on Saturday, and if things start to go 1841 01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:35.119 their way, they can get loud. So either way, that's 1842 01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:37.399 it's going to be a fun environment. We've seen it. 1843 01:29:39.039 --> 01:29:42.079 One of my favorite memories of this rivalry is one 1844 01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:44.840 covered in person with the comeback game, right with Jason 1845 01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:48.399 Shelley and the twenty seven to seven comeback. That game 1846 01:29:48.520 --> 01:29:52.319 and that environment was really fun in a multiple in 1847 01:29:52.439 --> 01:29:56.640 multiple different directions. First with an actual really loud section 1848 01:29:56.760 --> 01:30:00.600 of BYU fans that were involved in tested as the 1849 01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:05.399 game started, and then as the comeback rolled along, the 1850 01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:12.600 crowd just started to move and jolt and you could 1851 01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:17.039 feel the energy start to really fill up in that stadium. 1852 01:30:17.079 --> 01:30:20.279 And then of course the touchdown, Jason Shelley scored the 1853 01:30:20.880 --> 01:30:23.800 roof that if that place had a roof, it would 1854 01:30:23.800 --> 01:30:27.399 have blown off on that touchdown. So I have no 1855 01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:31.479 questions about the environment what we'll see, but yeah, I 1856 01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:34.479 do think there will be a healthy contingent of Cougar 1857 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:38.319 fans in Recycle Stadium on Saturday that maybe wouldn't have 1858 01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:42.079 been able to get tickets had Utah been more what 1859 01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:43.279 we expected at kickoff. 1860 01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:46.760 That comeback, that twenty seven to seven comeback still to 1861 01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:49.720 this day ridiculous, Oh my gosh. And you know what's 1862 01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:52.359 interesting because I was thinking about this, and you know, 1863 01:30:52.600 --> 01:30:55.319 I never played for a paycheck, But if you played 1864 01:30:55.399 --> 01:30:57.680 sports throughout the course of your life growing up, like 1865 01:30:57.760 --> 01:30:59.439 in a high school or college or whatever, and you 1866 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:02.119 never got to do it, there's a good chance you 1867 01:31:02.159 --> 01:31:03.119 played against Arrival. 1868 01:31:03.319 --> 01:31:06.399 And I had two, you know, during my time playing. 1869 01:31:06.600 --> 01:31:09.520 And I'm not not the radio guy that compares his 1870 01:31:10.119 --> 01:31:12.920 slightly above average high school basketball playing career to these 1871 01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:16.279 guys that are playing for money, But there's just something 1872 01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:18.880 so different when you know that you're playing against Arrival. 1873 01:31:18.960 --> 01:31:22.439 The whole energy is different all week. I love it, 1874 01:31:22.560 --> 01:31:24.840 I always have. I just think that's kind of how 1875 01:31:24.880 --> 01:31:25.439 I'm wired. 1876 01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:29.600 I know some people aren't necessarily all that fond of 1877 01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:32.560 the anxiety that this week seems to bring some people. 1878 01:31:32.640 --> 01:31:35.279 I mean, you know, people will say mean things to 1879 01:31:35.319 --> 01:31:38.560 you during Elderscorma BYU Wins, and you know the internet 1880 01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:40.560 is where cowards go to feel brave, So you're gonna 1881 01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:43.760 get some guff online, But what about what about you 1882 01:31:44.199 --> 01:31:47.239 and this dynamic of this week? Because you know Spencer 1883 01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:50.199 Litton byu TV, you joined us earlier. One of his 1884 01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:54.000 peers is a former producer of mine named Jason Sheppard, 1885 01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:57.520 and Shep produced the show I did with Bill for 1886 01:31:57.720 --> 01:32:00.359 about five years or so before I went over to 1887 01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:04.479 my other station, and I can remember every year. 1888 01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:06.960 Shep would show up for. 1889 01:32:07.079 --> 01:32:10.159 Work on Monday of Rivalry Week and he would look 1890 01:32:10.279 --> 01:32:14.199 like he hasn't slept in two weeks. He's not a drinker, 1891 01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:16.520 but he looked like he was just smashing Jaeger all 1892 01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:18.159 night and he hated it. 1893 01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:21.119 And he's not alone. There are some people that are. 1894 01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:25.560 Like that because of the potential ramifications of having their 1895 01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:28.560 feel goods hurt if their preferred team loses this game. 1896 01:32:29.399 --> 01:32:31.680 You were an athlete, I mean, when it comes to 1897 01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:35.439 simply knowing that you're going up against your biggest rival, 1898 01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:38.520 is that an energetic feel that you enjoy? Or do 1899 01:32:38.600 --> 01:32:40.600 you understand where people are coming from when they kind 1900 01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:42.640 of just back away from the dynamics of this week? 1901 01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:45.640 Well, I think it depends on the position you're in. Spence. 1902 01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:48.199 I think that if you're. 1903 01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:50.760 Winning if you're confident, if you feel like your rival 1904 01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:54.199 is not up to par, like you know, I think 1905 01:32:54.279 --> 01:32:56.479 a lot of Utah teams felt like over the last 1906 01:32:57.399 --> 01:33:00.920 decade and a half with BYU. And yeah, you're stoked, 1907 01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:04.000 You're you're going into that game with really not much 1908 01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:06.199 to lose, and a bunch to put on the highlight 1909 01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:08.359 tape and and a lot of fun to have, right 1910 01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:12.119 And and if you are going into a rivalry game 1911 01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:14.319 with a bunch of pressure on your back and you 1912 01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:17.760 don't necessarily feel like you have what it takes to 1913 01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:20.800 to play with the team across from you, maybe you 1914 01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:24.359 know you're you're having a down year, and and it's 1915 01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:29.119 it's a game where it means more than maybe another 1916 01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:31.680 game on the docket. Those those are all variables that 1917 01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:35.359 that play into how you approach a rivalry game. And 1918 01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:39.359 for this one in particular, you know, if you're Utah, 1919 01:33:39.479 --> 01:33:42.439 there's not much to lose anymore. So I don't know 1920 01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:46.319 how much the pressure should really mount on you, outside of, 1921 01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:50.159 of course, your head ball coach I'm sure instilling in 1922 01:33:50.279 --> 01:33:52.239 you how important the game might be to him. 1923 01:33:53.319 --> 01:33:54.359 There's not much pressure. 1924 01:33:54.399 --> 01:33:56.560 You're four and four, the big twelves out of reach, 1925 01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:00.199 uh for big For BYU, that's the team that now 1926 01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:03.359 is within the top twelve of the CFP. That's the 1927 01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:06.239 team with a bunch to lose. And when you add 1928 01:34:06.319 --> 01:34:09.680 that on top of a rivalry that can get nerve racking, 1929 01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:14.399 that can bring in a pressure, a feel they can 1930 01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:16.920 kind of start to seep into maybe your thoughts the 1931 01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:20.720 day before and into prep. And I do wonder if 1932 01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:23.680 that's the feel for BYU. Credit to Kelani and co. 1933 01:34:24.279 --> 01:34:27.359 They've been able to, you know, keep things in house 1934 01:34:27.399 --> 01:34:31.920 and really play that underdog role for the entirety of 1935 01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:34.399 this year. Can they keep that going on Saturday and 1936 01:34:34.479 --> 01:34:38.800 and and continue that focus is a big question. But yeah, 1937 01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:41.960 the rivalry definitely adds a different aspect. But it's also 1938 01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:45.560 about where the two teams are coming into that game, 1939 01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:47.880 not just about the fact that they have a history 1940 01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:49.520 and a hate for each other. 1941 01:34:50.439 --> 01:34:53.960 Tell me just from your advantage point, because you were 1942 01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:57.199 up at the football facility and you know, you hear 1943 01:34:57.319 --> 01:35:00.279 the sounds, you know you're watching the local TV guys 1944 01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:02.600 at night kind of breaks some things down and watching 1945 01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:04.359 the video they're able to get We're not able to 1946 01:35:04.359 --> 01:35:07.560 give much because we don't see practice anymore. But you know, 1947 01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:11.119 in politics, there's this thing where they call the October surprise, 1948 01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:14.279 where something happens that is crazy that throws a wrench 1949 01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:17.239 into the election. And BYU Utah, you kind of just 1950 01:35:17.319 --> 01:35:19.399 wait for the surprise during the week of the player 1951 01:35:19.439 --> 01:35:21.880 who says the thing to get the ire of the 1952 01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:24.119 other fan base, and that player this week was Jalen 1953 01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:27.800 Glover who drops an F bomb and later apologize via 1954 01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:31.039 social media. I thought Austin Colley's comments yesterday on the 1955 01:35:31.039 --> 01:35:34.279 show are really interesting. We had Austin former BYU and 1956 01:35:34.399 --> 01:35:36.319 NFL receiver on the show when he said he was 1957 01:35:36.359 --> 01:35:39.800 like disappointed that Jalen apologized because he likes stuff like that, 1958 01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:41.399 and I think a lot of competitors do. 1959 01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:43.640 But have you. 1960 01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:47.359 Witnessed anything, you know, going up there being around the players, 1961 01:35:48.359 --> 01:35:51.439 because look, it's it's hard at this point for the 1962 01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:54.479 coaching staff to keep these young men motivated when all 1963 01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:57.479 of the things, all of the things we thought they'd 1964 01:35:57.520 --> 01:35:58.119 be in the mix. 1965 01:35:58.079 --> 01:36:01.039 For, are no longer on the tape. I mean, as 1966 01:36:01.119 --> 01:36:02.399 I continue to say, the only. 1967 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:05.760 Thing worse than playing in a throwaway bowl game is 1968 01:36:05.840 --> 01:36:08.960 not being eligible for one. So yes, they're still get 1969 01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:11.479 the six wins, get the seven wins, you know, get 1970 01:36:11.560 --> 01:36:14.880 to a bowl game, and you know who knows, maybe 1971 01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:18.199 eight wins on the table. Unfortunately, my confidence in this 1972 01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:20.319 team dwindled. I felt like I was the last one 1973 01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:23.680 hanging on the proverbial final branch before my face hit 1974 01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:26.399 the ground. But my face is clearly in the mud 1975 01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:29.560 at this point. Have you noticed anything to indicate that 1976 01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:34.199 the motivation to continue to climb without the reward that 1977 01:36:34.399 --> 01:36:36.520 was on the table has waned a little bit or 1978 01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:38.640 does it still feel like they're kind of ready to roll? 1979 01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:42.439 Well, it's hard because the energy definitely has waned, but 1980 01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:45.760 without you know, seeing them play against BYU, seeing them 1981 01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:48.960 here at Rice Cycles and seeing their response to that spence. 1982 01:36:49.920 --> 01:36:50.319 I don't know. 1983 01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:52.399 I think we have to see how they respond and 1984 01:36:52.479 --> 01:36:56.319 how they react to that on Saturday, right, because it 1985 01:36:56.560 --> 01:36:59.199 wasn't until you drop to four and four that you 1986 01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:03.079 really really kind of have all that set in, right. 1987 01:37:03.359 --> 01:37:06.239 I think with three losses on the on the schedule, 1988 01:37:06.479 --> 01:37:08.840 you look around and you think we can play our 1989 01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:11.119 way back in, or we can at least, uh, you know, 1990 01:37:11.239 --> 01:37:14.039 stay above five hundred get into a decent bowl game. 1991 01:37:15.159 --> 01:37:18.359 Now it's you know, a sobering moment where you have 1992 01:37:18.439 --> 01:37:19.920 to to look in the mirror and and kind of 1993 01:37:19.960 --> 01:37:21.640 reflect a little bit. And I think there was some 1994 01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:24.479 of that that Utah certainly has gone through over the 1995 01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:26.760 last couple of weeks, because I can tell you up 1996 01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:29.880 at that facility, it's quiet, man, It's usually not that way. 1997 01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:33.039 It's it's it's it's quiet. It doesn't feel like it 1998 01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:36.720 usually does during the season because that team's usually used 1999 01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:38.600 to win in a bunch of football games and and 2000 01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:42.319 having a bunch of fun. And I think that that's 2001 01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:46.439 okay sometimes, right, It's it's okay to have those uh 2002 01:37:46.640 --> 01:37:49.000 vat peaks and valleys. But for Utah, it's about how 2003 01:37:49.000 --> 01:37:51.640 you respond and if you can do so. If you 2004 01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:54.600 can't do it this weekend against your arch rival in 2005 01:37:54.760 --> 01:37:57.960 State in a game where you really don't have anything 2006 01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:00.800 to lose, then yes, I definitely think there is a problem, 2007 01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:04.199 and I definitely think that there is something going on 2008 01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:06.279 in that locker room. But you got to give them 2009 01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:07.880 a chance to respond first. And I do think that 2010 01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:09.920 they do have at least some guys in the locker 2011 01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:12.399 room that are pretty capable of driving that ship. 2012 01:38:13.399 --> 01:38:17.560 So reminder, our pregame coverage on Saturday will begin at 2013 01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:21.039 eight point fifteen, and we're gonna be live at the tailgates. 2014 01:38:21.159 --> 01:38:22.039 And I had to do it. 2015 01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:24.840 I had to do it on the Rivalry Week. 2016 01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:27.800 Say that slowly into a mirror if you're speaking into 2017 01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:29.239 a microphone. 2018 01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:32.479 On radio or TV this week. But the voice of 2019 01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:34.000 the utes, the appearance of. 2020 01:38:34.039 --> 01:38:39.119 Bill Riley on this radio show during Rivalry Week had 2021 01:38:39.159 --> 01:38:41.640 to be the jam you guys listened to for twenty 2022 01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:44.880 years prior to the start of Bill's show, Ryle's I'm 2023 01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:47.600 disappointed that here at beer bar there's no beers with Bill, 2024 01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:48.960 but I'll take the time anyway. 2025 01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:51.560 How are we doing, I'm doing good, Spencer. It was 2026 01:38:51.560 --> 01:38:53.520 good to see you this morning for a few minutes. 2027 01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:56.279 Give Duncan and Richard and all the crew down there 2028 01:38:56.359 --> 01:38:56.760 my best. 2029 01:38:57.880 --> 01:39:00.840 I will for sure, I will, for sure appreciate your time. 2030 01:39:00.960 --> 01:39:04.079 So what is what's the week like for the voice man? 2031 01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:05.640 I mean, we've talked about it with a bunch of 2032 01:39:05.680 --> 01:39:06.520 guests all week long. 2033 01:39:06.840 --> 01:39:08.199 I love it. I always have. 2034 01:39:08.439 --> 01:39:10.119 When you and I were doing our old show back 2035 01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:12.399 in the day, we had a producer, so didn't it 2036 01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:13.680 want But he didn't want. 2037 01:39:13.720 --> 01:39:15.520 Our producer did not want to get out of bed. 2038 01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:20.119 During Rivalry Week, Schep hated it. Some people hate it. 2039 01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:22.319 I love it. What's this week like for the Voice? 2040 01:39:23.119 --> 01:39:23.960 Well, I love it. 2041 01:39:24.119 --> 01:39:27.159 It's weird for the first time in what twenty or 2042 01:39:27.239 --> 01:39:30.239 twenty three years living here not doing a radio show 2043 01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:33.560 during rivalry Week. This was always one of my favorite 2044 01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:34.880 weeks of the year. And I've been listening to you 2045 01:39:35.000 --> 01:39:38.399 all week long and it's just great. And I'm you know, 2046 01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:43.039 so much has changed at college football, spends at college athletics. 2047 01:39:43.479 --> 01:39:46.760 The one thing that we have still are rivalries, and 2048 01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:49.800 this week is just so good. You and I are 2049 01:39:49.880 --> 01:39:53.239 old enough to remember. I'm old, You're You're getting there. 2050 01:39:54.319 --> 01:39:54.479 You know. 2051 01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:57.159 You know, we used to be able to talk about 2052 01:39:57.159 --> 01:39:59.560 this game three hundred and sixty five days a year, 2053 01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:02.000 the old Mountain West Conference days. You could crack the 2054 01:40:02.119 --> 01:40:05.840 mic on a Tuesday in mid May and start to 2055 01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:08.239 fire up from Utah buy you Tube. That's kind of 2056 01:40:08.319 --> 01:40:12.039 tempered a bit in recent years different conferences, Utah kind 2057 01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:15.039 of taken off, EYU had kind of leveled out. But 2058 01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:17.640 now being back in the same conference this year and 2059 01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:20.840 BYU having a great year and Utah dealing with some 2060 01:40:20.960 --> 01:40:24.399 issues that there's plenty to talk about. But as that 2061 01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:28.319 little little liner coming in from our buddy Cavon said, 2062 01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:31.880 when these two get together, there's no home field advantage, 2063 01:40:32.159 --> 01:40:35.079 there's no real edge. It's usually a one possession game, 2064 01:40:35.720 --> 01:40:38.000 and I think we'll get that on Saturday night too. 2065 01:40:38.199 --> 01:40:41.479 So I just I love this week. It's everything college 2066 01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:43.560 football and college athletics should be about. 2067 01:40:44.319 --> 01:40:50.000 So the question Ryles on a Wednesday Utah BYU robbery 2068 01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:51.399 game hot or not. 2069 01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:59.840 I would say warm, heating up. I think if Utah 2070 01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:02.479 is a little bit better right now and not having 2071 01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:05.279 lost four games in a row, I think this game 2072 01:41:05.319 --> 01:41:07.920 would be hot. I think it would be white hot. 2073 01:41:08.399 --> 01:41:11.760 So I think it's warm with the possibility of getting 2074 01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:15.039 hot Saturday night. But it's hard to call it hot 2075 01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:17.840 all the way around when one of the two teams 2076 01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:20.720 is struggling pretty well to try and find out who 2077 01:41:20.760 --> 01:41:22.640 they are, and obviously that's Utah. They're trying to figure 2078 01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:23.720 themselves out offensively. 2079 01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:27.159 So you continue to preserve and protect the sanctity. I 2080 01:41:27.239 --> 01:41:28.000 do appreciate that. 2081 01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:33.720 Always you must preserve and protect the sanctity of rivalry 2082 01:41:33.760 --> 01:41:35.640 week on a Wednesday, no doubt. 2083 01:41:35.560 --> 01:41:37.119 No doubt. So Riles the line. 2084 01:41:37.560 --> 01:41:40.680 The line opens with BYU getting five in Vegas, which 2085 01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:44.319 essentially means Vegas is saying, on a neutral field, they 2086 01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:46.920 think Byu is about a touchdown and a little bit 2087 01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:49.960 more than that better than the utes. It moved towards 2088 01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:53.039 Utah twice to three point five, it's settled at four. 2089 01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:57.680 So if we remove the oddities of the game, which 2090 01:41:57.760 --> 01:41:59.680 is impossible to do, and we'll get back to the 2091 01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:02.960 actual dynamic of the game, and you just analyze these 2092 01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:05.079 two teams as they are, is it fair to say 2093 01:42:05.199 --> 01:42:07.800 right now bringing me Young's about a touchdown better because 2094 01:42:07.800 --> 01:42:09.079 that's what Vegas seems to think. 2095 01:42:09.760 --> 01:42:13.119 I think that that's a fair line spence. Because of 2096 01:42:13.199 --> 01:42:16.800 the way they've played this year. I still think Utah's 2097 01:42:16.920 --> 01:42:20.439 talent is probably as good, if not maybe a little 2098 01:42:20.439 --> 01:42:23.239 bit better. But they've not played to their talent this year, 2099 01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:27.279 and obviously there's been a big gaping hole at quarterback again, 2100 01:42:27.319 --> 01:42:30.079 and that's a big reason why b Yu I think 2101 01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:32.560 has played above their level. I think they are a 2102 01:42:32.680 --> 01:42:36.199 good football team that has not beaten itself and has 2103 01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:40.479 been very opportunistic when other teams present them with turnovers 2104 01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:43.279 and gifts. You know, just because you get a turnover 2105 01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:45.800 that you know, Utah's gotten turnovers this year, and they 2106 01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:48.880 kick field goals BYU feels like they pay those things 2107 01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:51.560 off with touchdowns and that's what good teams do. 2108 01:42:52.199 --> 01:42:53.239 So so based on. 2109 01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:55.600 Where they are right now and the way they've played, 2110 01:42:56.119 --> 01:42:57.279 I think that line's fair. 2111 01:42:58.600 --> 01:43:01.279 Okay, So I want to expand out because it's been 2112 01:43:01.319 --> 01:43:03.520 a couple of weeks. We've had some scheduling stuff because 2113 01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:06.520 you're very busy. Since we've been able to catch up 2114 01:43:06.600 --> 01:43:10.119 and Bill, last time we spoke, I felt like, you know, 2115 01:43:10.359 --> 01:43:12.359 I was the media guy that was holding on to 2116 01:43:12.439 --> 01:43:16.079 the final branch of confidence before hitting the ground. And 2117 01:43:16.199 --> 01:43:17.880 now my face is in the dirt. I mean, it's 2118 01:43:17.880 --> 01:43:20.840 four straight ls. I didn't see this coming. I get 2119 01:43:20.920 --> 01:43:23.359 plenty wrong. I'm not sure that I've ever been as 2120 01:43:23.479 --> 01:43:26.279 wrong as I've been about this Utah football team. So 2121 01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:30.840 on a scale of reductive statement, no, cam all the 2122 01:43:30.920 --> 01:43:34.319 way to four and four four straight losses take us 2123 01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:35.039 on this journey. 2124 01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:36.279 How do we find ourselves here? 2125 01:43:37.319 --> 01:43:40.760 You know it's you know, obviously the injury to Rising 2126 01:43:41.239 --> 01:43:43.600 and you know the eggs were in the rising basket 2127 01:43:43.720 --> 01:43:47.720 this year and that didn't work. It say, obviously, Cam's 2128 01:43:47.800 --> 01:43:50.520 injury against Baylor and his inability to come back, and 2129 01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:52.840 then the injury to the lower leg whatever that was 2130 01:43:53.319 --> 01:43:58.239 against its was Arizona State. Now that sidelined you, but 2131 01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:02.319 the backup plan to have a true freshman as your guy. 2132 01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:05.600 I think that they were betting a lot on Cam 2133 01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:08.680 being healthy, you know, this year, and when you turn 2134 01:44:08.760 --> 01:44:11.199 to a true freshman, you just don't know what you're 2135 01:44:11.239 --> 01:44:13.840 gonna get. Isaac's had some good moments, and Isaac's had 2136 01:44:13.920 --> 01:44:17.520 some freshman moments, and I think that I think probably 2137 01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:20.920 the disappointing part is, you know, there's not been that, 2138 01:44:21.159 --> 01:44:24.560 you know, that level line to maybe that slight bit 2139 01:44:24.640 --> 01:44:28.159 of progression. It's been that roller coaster, that up and 2140 01:44:28.279 --> 01:44:32.520 that down, and there hasn't really been that steady incremental progress. 2141 01:44:32.119 --> 01:44:32.880 With the offense. 2142 01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:35.720 And I think that's probably the reason you saw him 2143 01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:37.720 go to the bench in the second half against Houston. 2144 01:44:38.199 --> 01:44:42.119 Brandon Rose had a couple of bright moments until he 2145 01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:45.359 didn't until he threw that pick late. And so, uh, 2146 01:44:45.520 --> 01:44:47.720 they're they're they're looking at everything right now, and they've 2147 01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:50.039 had two weeks to get ready, and we'll we'll see 2148 01:44:50.079 --> 01:44:52.159 what they rolled out on Saturday night. Kyle's called it 2149 01:44:52.359 --> 01:44:55.520 the plan. I'm very curious to see what that plan 2150 01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:58.039 is now. The one thing I will always go back 2151 01:44:58.119 --> 01:45:02.880 to Spence and there games like this before Brian Johnson 2152 01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:05.399 tore his knee up pretty good second to last game 2153 01:45:05.479 --> 01:45:07.840 of the year, and they turned to a guy that 2154 01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:10.600 nobody had ever heard of, came from nowhere, was not 2155 01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:13.960 a highly recruited guy named Brett Ratliffe, and got him 2156 01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:16.640 ready in a week. Utah was about a sixteen point 2157 01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:19.159 underdog in Provo and they went down there and won 2158 01:45:19.279 --> 01:45:22.760 that game. I'm not saying that necessarily is going to happen, 2159 01:45:22.840 --> 01:45:25.960 but what I'm saying is, you know, sometimes, you know, 2160 01:45:26.159 --> 01:45:29.800 unusual things can happen, and with two weeks to get ready, 2161 01:45:30.199 --> 01:45:32.720 maybe Mike would jake in and his quarterbacks have found 2162 01:45:32.760 --> 01:45:33.399 a little something. 2163 01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:34.840 That's what we'll find out Saturday night. 2164 01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:37.840 So let's move over into that space now. 2165 01:45:38.640 --> 01:45:42.159 When it pertains to the plan that you have discussed 2166 01:45:42.199 --> 01:45:45.039 the coach Whit has talked about and had your broadcast 2167 01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:48.359 partner Scott Mitchell out on site at ARUP yesterday, and 2168 01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:50.960 I said to you this morning when I saw you 2169 01:45:51.039 --> 01:45:53.239 at the studio, and to what I said to Scott 2170 01:45:53.279 --> 01:45:55.239 when he sat down and I said, I don't know 2171 01:45:56.439 --> 01:45:58.760 one of my friends back East's Italian father, and I 2172 01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:01.159 can't use the language, but he would say, I don't know. 2173 01:46:01.279 --> 01:46:04.560 Nothing from nothing, right, So I don't know nothing from nothing. 2174 01:46:04.640 --> 01:46:07.239 But when I heard Brandon Rose talk on Tuesday, I thought, 2175 01:46:07.319 --> 01:46:09.199 that sounds like a kid who's getting to start. I 2176 01:46:09.319 --> 01:46:12.079 have no idea, but where are we at right now 2177 01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:14.720 with his progress of getting one or the other, or 2178 01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:16.520 maybe a bit of both ready for this game on 2179 01:46:16.640 --> 01:46:17.239 Saturday night? 2180 01:46:18.520 --> 01:46:21.239 You know, the stense I got listening to Kyle talk 2181 01:46:21.800 --> 01:46:26.279 was they had given both these guys a look, and 2182 01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:28.720 we're gonna give these guys an option. When they say 2183 01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:33.520 they've got a plan, that makes me feel like they 2184 01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:37.640 might have a plan for both quarterbacks, whether that's rotating 2185 01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:41.880 guys or whether I don't know. I asked him last 2186 01:46:41.960 --> 01:46:43.640 night and he was just kind of sly with me. 2187 01:46:43.760 --> 01:46:46.319 He says, you'll see Saturday. So he didn't really give 2188 01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:50.239 anything away to me last night either. So my inkling 2189 01:46:50.680 --> 01:46:53.600 is both those guys have probably gotten some looks, and 2190 01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:57.239 the plan maybe maybe involves both guys. We'll see. 2191 01:46:58.319 --> 01:47:03.359 So ultimately, y'all just kind of discuss the feedback we 2192 01:47:03.479 --> 01:47:05.319 get from our inner circles. So I want to be 2193 01:47:05.399 --> 01:47:07.199 careful with the narrative that I think is getting a 2194 01:47:07.239 --> 01:47:09.760 little bit out of control. And you've got a poltse 2195 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:12.159 on youth fans, and obviously you're up there now full time. 2196 01:47:13.279 --> 01:47:15.720 What I can tell you is I have been contacted 2197 01:47:15.800 --> 01:47:17.880 by some people that haven't heard from in years that 2198 01:47:17.920 --> 01:47:20.079 I went to school with, that are really really down 2199 01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:26.159 on the program. And look, we probably should have recalibrated expectations, 2200 01:47:26.359 --> 01:47:27.479 but we were all wrong. 2201 01:47:27.600 --> 01:47:29.880 Man. It's not just local. It's not just on our station. 2202 01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:32.680 Like they were the Vegas favorite, they were the media 2203 01:47:32.760 --> 01:47:37.359 pick and across the landscape, and I scoured predictions prior 2204 01:47:37.399 --> 01:47:39.800 to the year. If Utah wasn't picked to win it, 2205 01:47:40.039 --> 01:47:43.800 they were in everybody's top three. Ironically enough, most people 2206 01:47:44.359 --> 01:47:48.840 you know would include you know, Oklahoma State, who can't 2207 01:47:48.840 --> 01:47:52.560 win a conference game, and case State, who is good 2208 01:47:52.720 --> 01:47:55.560 not great. I mean, I have no idea, but like 2209 01:47:55.640 --> 01:47:58.760 I said, I've heard from a few people who are 2210 01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:00.520 just simply not going to the game and they've sold 2211 01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:02.640 their tickets. I don't want to turn this into like 2212 01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:05.640 that stadium is going to be blue, But what sort 2213 01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:07.479 of pulse do you have on youth fans as far 2214 01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:10.000 as what you're expecting with that atmosphere on Saturday night. 2215 01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:14.239 I've talked to some people that have considered not going. 2216 01:48:14.359 --> 01:48:16.000 I said, are you going to sell your tickets to 2217 01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:18.439 youth fans. I haven't decided what I'm doing yet, but 2218 01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:20.399 I don't know if I want to go out in 2219 01:48:20.439 --> 01:48:24.840 the cold, which you know, I don't like to call 2220 01:48:24.920 --> 01:48:26.720 anybody out. I always say, I don't like to tell 2221 01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:29.399 people how to fans man, sure, but this is a 2222 01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:32.399 this is a rivalry game. I mean, this is Utah 2223 01:48:32.479 --> 01:48:37.279 against BYU. And to me, not showing up to this 2224 01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:41.359 game in your home stadium, you know, there's a sense 2225 01:48:41.399 --> 01:48:45.319 around Utah football fans that they're zero to eight and 2226 01:48:45.560 --> 01:48:47.560 they're one or one and seven, they're four and four, 2227 01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:49.359 and I know they've lost foreign or they've not looked good, 2228 01:48:49.359 --> 01:48:53.159 they've not met expectations. I get all of that, but 2229 01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:58.039 if you if you've been alive this century, you've seen 2230 01:48:58.159 --> 01:49:03.439 some crazy, wild, unbelievable games where Utah was wildly favored 2231 01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:08.000 or BYU was wildly favored. And to me, you only 2232 01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:11.000 get so many college football games and it's a rivalry game, 2233 01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:15.439 and again, this Utah football team's got talent on it again, 2234 01:49:16.159 --> 01:49:19.960 the gaping hole a quarterback without rising You're just not 2235 01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:22.479 going to be a contender without a proven quarterback. 2236 01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:23.800 It's just hard to do now. 2237 01:49:24.239 --> 01:49:26.239 But this is not a bad team, and with two 2238 01:49:26.279 --> 01:49:28.359 weeks to get ready, I just I've been a little 2239 01:49:28.439 --> 01:49:31.079 disappointed in some of the people I've talked to about there. 2240 01:49:32.520 --> 01:49:35.119 It's okay not to be happy about where the season is, 2241 01:49:35.640 --> 01:49:38.399 but man, this is your rivalry game. This is one 2242 01:49:38.439 --> 01:49:40.720 you want to show up for. And these games have 2243 01:49:40.800 --> 01:49:41.840 been fun over the years. 2244 01:49:41.920 --> 01:49:43.560 So I hope the. 2245 01:49:43.560 --> 01:49:47.319 People that are considering not going change their minds and 2246 01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:50.439 show up, and there's a good atmosphere. They'll always be 2247 01:49:50.520 --> 01:49:53.159 blue BYU fans always find a way to get into 2248 01:49:53.199 --> 01:49:54.960 that stadium. They'll be a patch of blue. There might 2249 01:49:54.960 --> 01:49:56.840 be a little bit more blue this year than usual. 2250 01:49:56.920 --> 01:49:59.800 But I hope the Utah fans show out because I 2251 01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:01.960 I really do, Spence, I do believe this is gonna 2252 01:50:01.960 --> 01:50:02.680 be a one score game. 2253 01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:05.640 Yeah, And you know, it really does come down to 2254 01:50:05.720 --> 01:50:08.319 the generational thing. And I know I used to crack 2255 01:50:08.399 --> 01:50:10.159 on you for being old when you were like thirty 2256 01:50:10.239 --> 01:50:12.720 two or whatever. When we were doing the show. But 2257 01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:15.359 I'm now old enough to look back at and like 2258 01:50:15.479 --> 01:50:17.199 some of the I'm sorry to be this guy, but 2259 01:50:17.319 --> 01:50:20.079 some of these like millennial youthe football, like go vape 2260 01:50:20.359 --> 01:50:24.439 or whatever you're doing, you know, like the they're spoiled, 2261 01:50:24.560 --> 01:50:27.640 like the entitlement. Because I can remember, and this is 2262 01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:31.119 a testament to Kyle. I can remember when I was 2263 01:50:31.199 --> 01:50:34.079 in school or even prior to it was go to 2264 01:50:34.119 --> 01:50:35.520 a bowl game beat BYU. 2265 01:50:36.039 --> 01:50:38.039 Miracle, right, those were the expectations. 2266 01:50:38.119 --> 01:50:42.479 Now expectations have changed, but it doesn't mean you sit out. 2267 01:50:42.560 --> 01:50:47.159 Potentially the final chance you'll have to maybe see some 2268 01:50:47.319 --> 01:50:50.119 of these coaches in this game, and the final chance 2269 01:50:50.159 --> 01:50:53.359 you'll have, Bill quite frankly, and look, the game at 2270 01:50:53.439 --> 01:50:54.960 Colorado is going to be awesome. 2271 01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:56.800 It's just BYU's different. 2272 01:50:56.880 --> 01:51:00.760 And you referenced Brett and you know we were talking 2273 01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:04.199 about Jason Shelley and the twenty seven to twenty comeback. Yeah, 2274 01:51:04.560 --> 01:51:07.239 the list of names that we talk about, the Mike McCoy's, 2275 01:51:07.319 --> 01:51:09.279 the Eddie Johnson's, the Scott mitchells. 2276 01:51:09.880 --> 01:51:13.199 If these young men can for one night be great 2277 01:51:14.000 --> 01:51:14.960 against this team. 2278 01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:17.840 If Dorian Singer goes for one fifty and three, touchdowns 2279 01:51:17.960 --> 01:51:22.439 or whatever. No matter what has happened or will happen 2280 01:51:22.520 --> 01:51:24.960 the rest of the way, you will be remembered and 2281 01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:28.680 talked about differently in this community. Like Saturday Night to 2282 01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:32.039 me is the maybe the last, and certainly the biggest 2283 01:51:32.159 --> 01:51:35.119 chance this team has left to be great, and if 2284 01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:37.600 they are, they will be remembered differently. 2285 01:51:37.680 --> 01:51:40.640 Even though the season has been a bit of a disappointment, Yeah. 2286 01:51:40.720 --> 01:51:43.279 You're you're one hundred percent on every single one of 2287 01:51:43.359 --> 01:51:46.600 those points. And I would point out too, you're right. 2288 01:51:46.680 --> 01:51:48.680 I think there there is a little bit of Hey, 2289 01:51:48.720 --> 01:51:51.760 you know we've had this program has been so good 2290 01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:54.359 for so many years in a row. Again, there's been 2291 01:51:54.399 --> 01:51:55.840 a little bit of a dip this year. There's a 2292 01:51:55.880 --> 01:51:58.600 lot of reasons for it, but you know that they're 2293 01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:00.479 not a bad program. There's a lot of talent in 2294 01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:02.640 this program, and there is an ability of a give 2295 01:52:02.680 --> 01:52:05.359 a night to rise up and do it. Every weekend 2296 01:52:05.399 --> 01:52:07.439 in college football, shoot, every weekend, it feels like at 2297 01:52:07.439 --> 01:52:12.199 the Big twelve, somebody's upsetting somebody. Texas Tech went on 2298 01:52:12.279 --> 01:52:14.920 the road to beat Iowa State last weekend. 2299 01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:16.000 It can happen. 2300 01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:19.359 And I just think if you're really a fan and 2301 01:52:19.479 --> 01:52:22.520 you really love college football. This isn't like the Jazz 2302 01:52:23.479 --> 01:52:26.600 or the hockey club where there's eighty you know, there's forty. 2303 01:52:26.359 --> 01:52:27.159 Five home games. 2304 01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:30.359 You only have six home games, and you haven't played 2305 01:52:30.399 --> 01:52:33.640 your rival since twenty eighteen at home. Come on out, 2306 01:52:33.680 --> 01:52:36.039 and I just and I do. I believe it with 2307 01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:37.279 all my heart. I think it's going to be a 2308 01:52:37.319 --> 01:52:39.720 good game because I've just seen enough of these. I've 2309 01:52:39.800 --> 01:52:42.840 called enough of these to know that they're unpredictable. 2310 01:52:43.960 --> 01:52:46.840 Since you brought up the Jazz, should we dig into 2311 01:52:47.119 --> 01:52:49.840 the possibility that Utah football is actually tanking? 2312 01:52:50.199 --> 01:52:51.159 Nobody talks about that. 2313 01:52:53.640 --> 01:52:58.239 Is Cooper Flag available to play quarterback and or tight 2314 01:52:58.359 --> 01:52:59.439 end or receiver next year? 2315 01:53:00.079 --> 01:53:02.000 Don't think that's how it works in this sport. I'm 2316 01:53:02.039 --> 01:53:03.880 just saying, you know me, man, I like to zig 2317 01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:06.760 when other people are zaging. Let's just talk about all possibilities. 2318 01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:11.159 Since you referenced all of the games that you have called, 2319 01:53:12.159 --> 01:53:14.760 I will tell you my favorite Bill Riley call was 2320 01:53:14.800 --> 01:53:17.000 the Brandon Burton block, only because I knew in your 2321 01:53:17.039 --> 01:53:19.760 head you wanted to punch Doulce for running over the call. 2322 01:53:21.159 --> 01:53:25.479 Do you have a favorite rivalry game moment? A snapshot 2323 01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:27.000 of all these games. 2324 01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:27.399 That you fall. 2325 01:53:30.479 --> 01:53:35.920 Moments. I didn't call the game, but the famous Tostito 2326 01:53:36.439 --> 01:53:39.560 the Tostito Bowl game in twenty two thousand and four, 2327 01:53:40.399 --> 01:53:43.920 when the game ended and the fans stormed the field 2328 01:53:44.479 --> 01:53:46.800 and it went from a green field to a field 2329 01:53:46.920 --> 01:53:49.640 completely covered, well can get it from up high. 2330 01:53:49.720 --> 01:53:51.520 That was Mark Kroff's last home game. 2331 01:53:52.159 --> 01:53:55.800 Was crazy. I mean, it was just impossibly crazy. The 2332 01:53:56.560 --> 01:53:59.199 third time is the Charm game, just a couple of 2333 01:53:59.279 --> 01:54:03.439 years after the Brandon Burton Block, where Utah basically on 2334 01:54:03.520 --> 01:54:05.520 the last play of the game had to beat BYU 2335 01:54:05.640 --> 01:54:09.720 three times and they ended up doing it there. Jason 2336 01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:14.239 Shelley's run was amazing too. I'll tell you the games 2337 01:54:14.279 --> 01:54:18.039 fence and it was the last time BYU won at 2338 01:54:18.159 --> 01:54:19.119 rise ecl Stadium. 2339 01:54:19.159 --> 01:54:21.600 Now Utah didn't win the game, but the game. 2340 01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:23.560 Itself was unbelievably entertaining. 2341 01:54:23.680 --> 01:54:24.680 Was the O six game. 2342 01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:27.319 It was the famous Beckt to Harlean game. The end 2343 01:54:27.359 --> 01:54:30.279 of the game was not great, but it was the 2344 01:54:30.399 --> 01:54:32.840 back and forth. It had thirty three thirty one I 2345 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:36.439 think was the final score. It was an unbelievable game. 2346 01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:39.039 So those are some of the memories that I absolutely 2347 01:54:39.079 --> 01:54:40.960 positively love all. 2348 01:54:40.920 --> 01:54:41.880 Right, let's move over here. 2349 01:54:41.960 --> 01:54:44.039 So we had the Coaches Show last night, you and 2350 01:54:44.159 --> 01:54:47.119 coach with So you've been around the team, You've been 2351 01:54:47.159 --> 01:54:51.039 around the coaches, and all we get are snapshots of 2352 01:54:51.159 --> 01:54:53.000 sound that we play on the show. Sound we get 2353 01:54:53.039 --> 01:54:55.359 from media availability or you know, videos you see on 2354 01:54:55.520 --> 01:54:57.960 social or just on the local newscast. 2355 01:54:58.039 --> 01:55:00.640 So I don't really have a poulse on how they're doing. 2356 01:55:01.399 --> 01:55:03.159 If it's gonna be a close game, and if they're 2357 01:55:03.399 --> 01:55:05.159 gonna you know, be in it, they're gonna have to 2358 01:55:05.199 --> 01:55:07.199 mentally be ready because this is a good team. What's 2359 01:55:07.279 --> 01:55:09.279 the I guess I obviously ask you what the kids 2360 01:55:09.279 --> 01:55:11.680 would ask. What's the vibe like up around Utah football? 2361 01:55:12.359 --> 01:55:14.479 The vibe yesterday was great. I was up at the 2362 01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:18.800 facility probably an hour before the show. You know, everybody 2363 01:55:18.960 --> 01:55:20.920 was kind of buzzing and on edge a little bit 2364 01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:23.600 coming off the practice field. Got a chance to talk 2365 01:55:23.640 --> 01:55:25.680 to the final brothers on the show last night. These 2366 01:55:25.680 --> 01:55:28.319 are two Utah County kids. They're Spanish four kids who 2367 01:55:28.359 --> 01:55:30.840 went to temp You High School, so they were a 2368 01:55:30.920 --> 01:55:34.600 stone's throw from you know, Lavell Edward Stadium. Logan Fino began, 2369 01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:36.840 these guys are really hyped, and I said, do you 2370 01:55:36.960 --> 01:55:38.960 guys like your chance And they're like, oh yeah, we 2371 01:55:39.079 --> 01:55:41.520 love our game play Saturday, we love our game plan. 2372 01:55:41.720 --> 01:55:44.640 So the sense i got yesterday and it was Tuesday. 2373 01:55:45.039 --> 01:55:47.199 Granted it was Tuesday, but there was a lot of 2374 01:55:47.359 --> 01:55:48.359 enthusiasm about it. 2375 01:55:49.520 --> 01:55:50.840 That's good to hear. That's good here. 2376 01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:52.920 So let's move over and out of the game and 2377 01:55:53.159 --> 01:55:54.600 you reference you think it's going to be a one 2378 01:55:54.640 --> 01:55:57.039 score game, and ultimately the line is settled at four, 2379 01:55:57.239 --> 01:56:00.560 So that's not too far off, uh exactly what we'll see? 2380 01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:04.199 What what gives you the most confidence? Because there really 2381 01:56:04.359 --> 01:56:07.000 isn't a lot of data that would indicate Utah is 2382 01:56:07.079 --> 01:56:10.359 a better overall team. There's some defensive metrics and conference 2383 01:56:10.439 --> 01:56:12.840 play that do favor the uts What's given you the 2384 01:56:12.920 --> 01:56:15.279 most confidence that you think this will be a one 2385 01:56:15.319 --> 01:56:15.800 score game? 2386 01:56:15.840 --> 01:56:17.560 And what does Utah have to do to ensure that 2387 01:56:17.640 --> 01:56:18.159 that's the deal. 2388 01:56:19.439 --> 01:56:21.479 Well, One, they can't turn it over. I mean they 2389 01:56:21.560 --> 01:56:23.960 just can't. They've thrown way too many interceptions this year 2390 01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:27.359 and BYU might be the most opportunistic team in the league, 2391 01:56:27.399 --> 01:56:30.119 so they can't turn it over. But I think Utah's 2392 01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:33.880 defense and I think the emphasis this week is forcing 2393 01:56:34.039 --> 01:56:38.000 some turnovers if possible. I think the Utah defense has 2394 01:56:38.079 --> 01:56:40.840 to play its best game of the year, and maybe 2395 01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:43.439 you set the offense up with a couple of short fields. 2396 01:56:44.560 --> 01:56:46.920 I have no doubt Morgan will be dialed in with 2397 01:56:47.039 --> 01:56:49.359 those guys. And to be fair, you ran a lot 2398 01:56:49.359 --> 01:56:51.479 of some of the metrics. The defense has been good 2399 01:56:51.560 --> 01:56:53.680 this year, it really has. It's been better than good 2400 01:56:53.760 --> 01:56:56.079 on some days. They've just had to kind of carry 2401 01:56:56.079 --> 01:56:57.760 the load because the offense hasn't put up a lot 2402 01:56:57.800 --> 01:57:00.479 of points. So to me, the offense can not turn 2403 01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:02.720 it over, and I think the defense is going to 2404 01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:04.399 have to come up with a couple of turnovers and 2405 01:57:04.439 --> 01:57:05.439 maybe some short fields. 2406 01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:08.359 Okay, last thing, and I'll set you loose because I 2407 01:57:08.399 --> 01:57:11.000 know you got to get to it. And the obvious answer, 2408 01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:15.319 I suppose maybe whoever starts under quarterback, and I won't 2409 01:57:15.399 --> 01:57:17.239 limit you to one name, give me a couple of 2410 01:57:17.359 --> 01:57:21.039 names of the most likely candidates that you think will 2411 01:57:21.119 --> 01:57:24.880 step up on Saturday Night that in twenty years we're 2412 01:57:24.920 --> 01:57:27.399 talking about them the way we talk about Brett and 2413 01:57:27.520 --> 01:57:30.600 Brandon and everyone else that we talk about having great 2414 01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:33.159 games against Brigham Young, Who are the most likely candidates. 2415 01:57:33.640 --> 01:57:36.680 Well, I think it's whoever is the starting quarterback and 2416 01:57:36.840 --> 01:57:39.520 whoever plays maybe the most snaps at quarterback if they 2417 01:57:39.560 --> 01:57:41.359 both end up playing again. I don't know what that 2418 01:57:41.520 --> 01:57:44.319 plan is, but I think it's easy to zone in 2419 01:57:44.439 --> 01:57:47.760 on that. But it's just simply the case you've got 2420 01:57:47.880 --> 01:57:50.079 to do that. I think there's two other guys. I 2421 01:57:50.159 --> 01:57:53.640 think Brent Keithy has got to have a big game. 2422 01:57:53.720 --> 01:57:54.560 I think Keithy in. 2423 01:57:54.560 --> 01:57:56.840 The middle of the field when they can get him 2424 01:57:56.880 --> 01:58:01.279 the football, can be that guy. Kalani defenses JJ Hill 2425 01:58:01.399 --> 01:58:04.079 defenses generally don't give up a lot of big plays fence. 2426 01:58:04.560 --> 01:58:06.239 They kind of keep everything in front. 2427 01:58:06.079 --> 01:58:07.720 Of them, so I think they think you're going to 2428 01:58:07.840 --> 01:58:08.960 hit them with a bunch of big. 2429 01:58:08.840 --> 01:58:10.720 Plays when you haven't done a lot of big plays 2430 01:58:10.800 --> 01:58:12.920 this year. Might be a little bit of a stretch, 2431 01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:16.079 But I think Keithy having a big game. And the 2432 01:58:16.199 --> 01:58:18.039 other guy I would keep an eye on too is 2433 01:58:18.199 --> 01:58:21.079 Mackay Bernard, and I think they would probably love to 2434 01:58:21.079 --> 01:58:24.239 get Mkay out in some space and get him the ball, 2435 01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:27.239 not only running the football, but also get that ball 2436 01:58:27.319 --> 01:58:29.159 to him out in space and let him touch some 2437 01:58:29.239 --> 01:58:32.960 passes too. So whoever the quarterback is, but I'll say 2438 01:58:33.000 --> 01:58:36.319 Bernard and Keithy too. If those guys have good game 2439 01:58:36.399 --> 01:58:38.399 Saturday night, Utah will have a really good chance. 2440 01:58:39.039 --> 01:58:40.640 All right, man, Well it's a great week. I know 2441 01:58:40.680 --> 01:58:42.279 you're busy, so I'll let you get back to it. 2442 01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:44.199 Thanks so much for the time, and as always, have 2443 01:58:44.279 --> 01:58:44.720 a great call. 2444 01:58:44.800 --> 01:58:47.399 Okay, thanks a man, I'll see Saturday, all right. 2445 01:58:47.439 --> 01:58:50.800 The Voice of the Utes, Bill Riley, on the program today. 2446 01:58:50.920 --> 01:58:53.720 Our University of Utah pregame coverage for the game on 2447 01:58:53.920 --> 01:58:57.720 Saturday begins at four fifteen, So set your alarm for that. 2448 01:58:57.960 --> 01:59:01.359 Porter Larson, isaac Osciata, a bunch of different utes like 2449 01:59:01.439 --> 01:59:05.159 Nate Orchard rolling through drive at five time. Your commute 2450 01:59:05.199 --> 01:59:08.520 home on this Wednesday afternoon starts right now. You are 2451 01:59:08.560 --> 01:59:09.960 now officially halfway. 2452 01:59:09.600 --> 01:59:10.399 Through your work week. 2453 01:59:10.520 --> 01:59:12.800 You are one day closer the weekend, a couple of 2454 01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:16.960 more days until Utah BYU, which of course has been 2455 01:59:17.000 --> 01:59:19.279 a lot of our coverage this week. Your pro football 2456 01:59:19.319 --> 01:59:21.039 weekend actually gets rolling tomorrow. 2457 01:59:21.119 --> 01:59:23.960 Don't forget. We are your home of the NFL here 2458 01:59:24.199 --> 01:59:25.960 in Utah, in this market. 2459 01:59:26.119 --> 01:59:29.000 So hard to believe, but Week ten gets rolling tomorrow 2460 01:59:29.079 --> 01:59:31.239 with the Bengals and the Ravens from M and T 2461 01:59:31.479 --> 01:59:34.239 Bank Stadium in Baltimore, Maryland. It's a night off for 2462 01:59:34.399 --> 01:59:37.680 the Utah Jazz. It's a night off for the Utah 2463 01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:40.439 Hockey Club. It's a night off for both Utah and 2464 01:59:40.680 --> 01:59:45.239 BYU men's basketball. So tonight, if you're looking for something 2465 01:59:45.279 --> 01:59:48.159 to watch, looks like NBA hoops is probably the deal 2466 01:59:48.279 --> 01:59:51.800 for you, unless you want to watch some other college basketball. 2467 01:59:51.920 --> 01:59:54.439 We've got some pretty good games in the NBA tonight, 2468 01:59:54.479 --> 02:00:00.520 as we're inching closer and closer to a realistic sample 2469 02:00:00.640 --> 02:00:02.560 size of when we can kind of understand what the 2470 02:00:02.640 --> 02:00:03.279 league is about. 2471 02:00:04.239 --> 02:00:05.439 We know what the Jazz are about. 2472 02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:07.600 But I always say twenty to twenty five games in 2473 02:00:07.680 --> 02:00:11.840 pro basketball until we really understand the direction these teams 2474 02:00:11.880 --> 02:00:14.479 are taking. Unless your direction is obvious like the Jazz, 2475 02:00:14.560 --> 02:00:17.239 and that ultimately means they're not going to be good 2476 02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:17.880 most of the year. 2477 02:00:17.960 --> 02:00:19.239 They got the first win in Chicago. 2478 02:00:19.279 --> 02:00:22.600 They're going to be in Milwaukee coming up tomorrow, taking 2479 02:00:22.680 --> 02:00:24.920 on the one in six Milwaukee Bucks, leading to a 2480 02:00:24.960 --> 02:00:29.399 lot of speculation about what they'll do Milwaukee meeting. 2481 02:00:29.520 --> 02:00:31.600 Do they move on from Giannis? I mean, the Yannis 2482 02:00:31.680 --> 02:00:32.680 Dame thing hasn't worked. 2483 02:00:33.319 --> 02:00:35.560 Still feel really bad for Adrian Griffin who lost his 2484 02:00:35.720 --> 02:00:37.640 job and they brought in Doc Rivers, who's my guy? 2485 02:00:37.760 --> 02:00:39.680 But man, it has not worked all right. 2486 02:00:40.439 --> 02:00:44.239 So most of the show today has been college football related, 2487 02:00:44.279 --> 02:00:47.199 as you would expect, a really illuminating conversation with Pablo 2488 02:00:47.319 --> 02:00:49.600 mas Guenni to start things off today as we did 2489 02:00:49.640 --> 02:00:53.000 a little autopsy on the RSL season that is now 2490 02:00:53.079 --> 02:00:56.239 behind us. Then moved over to Spencer Lytton from BYU 2491 02:00:56.359 --> 02:00:59.479 TV Just Chatto with Bill Bill Riley, the voice of 2492 02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:02.159 the Utes and Josh Pate's gonna come your way in 2493 02:01:02.159 --> 02:01:05.279 about twenty minutes from now before we say to night 2494 02:01:05.319 --> 02:01:08.600 at six. We are out and about today at beer 2495 02:01:08.680 --> 02:01:10.840 Bar right downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 2496 02:01:11.279 --> 02:01:12.319 Come on buy and say hi. 2497 02:01:12.600 --> 02:01:15.720 And if you've never been to our tailgate, our ESPN 2498 02:01:15.840 --> 02:01:19.600 seven hundred VIP tailgate prior to Utah football games, it's 2499 02:01:19.600 --> 02:01:22.039 your chance to stop by and grab a couple of passes. 2500 02:01:23.000 --> 02:01:25.560 So prior to Utah BYU we'll have our tailgate going 2501 02:01:25.600 --> 02:01:27.800 on Guardsman's Way. You can come on up and say 2502 02:01:27.840 --> 02:01:32.159 what's up. 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So we were all gathered around 2523 02:02:24.159 --> 02:02:28.079 our TVs last night wondering what the data would indicate, 2524 02:02:28.279 --> 02:02:33.279 wondering where certain states would fall, wondering which side would win, 2525 02:02:34.079 --> 02:02:36.960 wondering if people would be upset when they heard the announcements, 2526 02:02:37.199 --> 02:02:39.199 and people were definitely upset. 2527 02:02:38.920 --> 02:02:40.560 When they heard that. 2528 02:02:40.760 --> 02:02:43.039 BYU came in at number nine last night in the 2529 02:02:43.079 --> 02:02:44.000 CFP porter. 2530 02:02:44.119 --> 02:02:45.960 Why am I not getting more love for my clever? 2531 02:02:46.199 --> 02:02:48.159 Oh my gosh, she's going to talk about the election, 2532 02:02:48.319 --> 02:02:50.239 but I zag and talk about college football. 2533 02:02:50.319 --> 02:02:51.680 I feel like I should be getting a little bit 2534 02:02:51.760 --> 02:02:52.600 more love for this bit. 2535 02:02:52.720 --> 02:02:54.039 Well it's a good bit. 2536 02:02:54.199 --> 02:02:54.880 It's a good bit. 2537 02:02:56.079 --> 02:02:59.039 I just think that it's been done maybe just once 2538 02:02:59.159 --> 02:03:02.880 or twice on the Twitter sphere, on air a little bit. 2539 02:03:02.960 --> 02:03:04.760 But I'm I'm I'm on board. 2540 02:03:05.079 --> 02:03:07.359 So it's sounding redundant, is what you're saying. It's sounding 2541 02:03:07.359 --> 02:03:08.359 to move on from it. 2542 02:03:08.680 --> 02:03:10.640 Or we can you know, just hit it over the 2543 02:03:10.680 --> 02:03:11.840 head for the next four years. 2544 02:03:12.159 --> 02:03:14.760 I'll just say things are never good or bad. It's 2545 02:03:14.800 --> 02:03:15.560 thinking that makes it. 2546 02:03:15.680 --> 02:03:17.840 So keep calm and carry on, all right, It's never 2547 02:03:17.920 --> 02:03:19.359 as bad as you think it is or as good 2548 02:03:19.399 --> 02:03:20.800 as you think it is. But when it comes to 2549 02:03:20.920 --> 02:03:25.760 the reaction of BYU landed at nine, it's a little 2550 02:03:25.800 --> 02:03:28.600 bit unfounded, but at the same at the same time, 2551 02:03:28.760 --> 02:03:30.880 what it is is an indictment in the Big Twelve. 2552 02:03:31.159 --> 02:03:34.039 That's undeniable. We've been talking about it today. 2553 02:03:34.119 --> 02:03:38.079 That is the CFP committee saying, if you want to 2554 02:03:38.119 --> 02:03:40.159 get in from the Big twelve, you have to. 2555 02:03:40.159 --> 02:03:40.640 Win the thing. 2556 02:03:40.840 --> 02:03:44.920 Okay, and the margin of error for BYU definitely became 2557 02:03:44.960 --> 02:03:46.560 a little bit smaller last night. 2558 02:03:46.640 --> 02:03:48.479 We'll talk more about this with Josh Pate. 2559 02:03:49.239 --> 02:03:53.399 Their path Okay, so the rankings were released last night. 2560 02:03:53.560 --> 02:03:57.359 In no way does that reflect what the seeding will be. 2561 02:03:57.520 --> 02:04:01.560 I mean, BYU's path to Dallas is still very clean. 2562 02:04:01.720 --> 02:04:04.319 They're the favorite by most metrics to at least show 2563 02:04:04.399 --> 02:04:07.000 up in the Big twelve Championship game. Interestingly enough, one 2564 02:04:07.039 --> 02:04:10.439 metric I read today and I'm not really sure where 2565 02:04:10.439 --> 02:04:12.000 the formula is. It was just on social and it 2566 02:04:12.079 --> 02:04:15.039 was interesting, so I clicked on it. Their most likely 2567 02:04:15.119 --> 02:04:18.359 matchup is BYU Colorado in Dallas for the Big twelve 2568 02:04:18.439 --> 02:04:20.520 Championship Game. A lot of eyes on that. Of course, 2569 02:04:20.600 --> 02:04:23.600 Dion has done a really really good job. Time to 2570 02:04:23.640 --> 02:04:24.920 give a coach prime a lot of credit. 2571 02:04:24.960 --> 02:04:27.359 That's teams for real. Utah's gonna see him in Bolder. 2572 02:04:28.319 --> 02:04:31.720 But even though BYU comes in at nine, their path 2573 02:04:31.840 --> 02:04:36.279 to the four seed feels pretty clean. Okay, However, the 2574 02:04:36.359 --> 02:04:39.039 fact that Boise State comes in at twelve, because the 2575 02:04:39.079 --> 02:04:42.640 deal is this, the top five seeds are the conference 2576 02:04:42.800 --> 02:04:48.199 champs and they're ranked in order. Okay, I anticipate Oregon 2577 02:04:48.279 --> 02:04:51.800 will be one, Georgia will be two, Miami will be three, 2578 02:04:52.640 --> 02:04:57.800 and it's it's most likely right now that BYU or 2579 02:04:57.880 --> 02:04:59.960 the Big twelve champ, if it's not Brigham Young, will 2580 02:05:00.159 --> 02:05:02.840 be in at four, therefore receiving that first round by 2581 02:05:03.560 --> 02:05:05.239 which is big because that means you only have to 2582 02:05:05.279 --> 02:05:07.640 win three instead of four. I mean, teams that are 2583 02:05:07.680 --> 02:05:09.640 matched up in the first round have to win four 2584 02:05:09.840 --> 02:05:13.600 football games against their peers, the other best teams in 2585 02:05:13.640 --> 02:05:18.000 college football. That's a tough ask man. So if BYU 2586 02:05:18.880 --> 02:05:21.920 is passed by Boise, okay, So if Boise is your 2587 02:05:22.000 --> 02:05:25.319 fifth conference champ out of the Mountain West, and somehow 2588 02:05:25.479 --> 02:05:28.239 someway they pass BYU. 2589 02:05:27.840 --> 02:05:28.520 In the rankings. 2590 02:05:29.079 --> 02:05:31.720 So if Boise continues to stay clean, which I think 2591 02:05:31.760 --> 02:05:35.159 they will, that's a really really good team. And BYU 2592 02:05:35.239 --> 02:05:38.439 gets got once or twice, or whoever is going to 2593 02:05:38.479 --> 02:05:40.800 come out of the Big twelve gets got once or twice, 2594 02:05:40.840 --> 02:05:43.640 as every other team has already got got once and 2595 02:05:43.800 --> 02:05:47.239 Boise State, somehow, some way rises up past the Big 2596 02:05:47.319 --> 02:05:51.039 Twelve champ and Boise State home against Nevada. Yeah, dude, 2597 02:05:51.039 --> 02:05:53.439 they're winning the rest of their games home against Nevada, 2598 02:05:53.600 --> 02:05:56.640 at San Jose State, at Wyoming home against Oregon State. 2599 02:05:56.640 --> 02:05:58.279 I suppose that one could be a little bit tricky 2600 02:05:58.319 --> 02:06:00.560 to end a year, but I bet Boise he's a 2601 02:06:00.640 --> 02:06:03.079 healthy favorite, and I think they'll probably finish clean after 2602 02:06:03.119 --> 02:06:07.800 losing Oregon. There is a world that exists where Boise 2603 02:06:08.199 --> 02:06:12.479 moves up past the Big twelve champ into that four spot. Okay, 2604 02:06:13.079 --> 02:06:16.399 but it's not all bad news. If we follow this, 2605 02:06:17.439 --> 02:06:20.720 there's a chance that has the five seed instead of 2606 02:06:20.760 --> 02:06:24.520 the four seed BYU or the Big twelve champ would 2607 02:06:24.560 --> 02:06:29.359 host a CFP game on campus. Okay, so, but that 2608 02:06:29.520 --> 02:06:34.159 really so the pieces of real collateral damage, not made 2609 02:06:34.239 --> 02:06:36.560 up by a fan base that seems to love talking 2610 02:06:36.600 --> 02:06:39.760 about how much nobody respects them every single year for 2611 02:06:39.920 --> 02:06:41.039 whatever reason. 2612 02:06:42.079 --> 02:06:43.520 It's an indictment on the Big Twelve. 2613 02:06:44.520 --> 02:06:47.199 Last night was the first time where I thought, okay, 2614 02:06:47.520 --> 02:06:50.520 all of the conversation about the Big Twelve getting one 2615 02:06:50.600 --> 02:06:54.920 team in regardless, and I mean that, like, this opens 2616 02:06:55.000 --> 02:06:59.479 up a pathway for BYU to finish the season winning 2617 02:06:59.520 --> 02:07:04.079 their finn four games at Utah on Saturday, home against Kansas, 2618 02:07:04.760 --> 02:07:07.039 on the road against ASU, which has a little bit 2619 02:07:07.039 --> 02:07:09.680 of a tricky feel to it, and then home against 2620 02:07:09.680 --> 02:07:12.560 the much improved Houston team. But that's a manageable schedule 2621 02:07:12.600 --> 02:07:16.039 for Brigham Young. There's a world where they go twelve 2622 02:07:16.079 --> 02:07:19.279 and zero and they go down to Dallas and they 2623 02:07:19.359 --> 02:07:21.680 lose to Colorado and they're left out. 2624 02:07:21.920 --> 02:07:23.800 I mean, that is what last night meant. 2625 02:07:24.199 --> 02:07:27.640 Let's make no mistake there, Okay, but it doesn't change 2626 02:07:27.680 --> 02:07:31.399 the fact that BYU still more or less controls their 2627 02:07:31.439 --> 02:07:34.199 own destiny. And I still believe when the dust settles 2628 02:07:35.319 --> 02:07:38.279 that Boise will not have enough on their resume to 2629 02:07:38.520 --> 02:07:42.399 jump BYU or Colorado or whoever. Iowa State, k State 2630 02:07:42.439 --> 02:07:45.159 will see how it plays out. I don't think Boise 2631 02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:47.920 State has enough on their resume to jump into the 2632 02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:50.880 four seed. So I still believe, even though folks are 2633 02:07:50.920 --> 02:07:53.720 a little bit disappointed about seeing BYU land at nine, 2634 02:07:53.840 --> 02:07:56.960 they will be the four seed when the dust settles. 2635 02:07:57.640 --> 02:08:01.000 And in the first model that we've seen and the 2636 02:08:01.079 --> 02:08:05.800 first projected bracket that we've seen, Boise State, Ohio State 2637 02:08:05.960 --> 02:08:09.920 Round one BYU plays the winner of that game, meaning 2638 02:08:10.000 --> 02:08:12.079 most likely they're going to take on Ohio State, right, 2639 02:08:12.119 --> 02:08:15.119 which would be totally wild. But as far as some 2640 02:08:15.239 --> 02:08:17.680 of the metrics, you know, every year we do this 2641 02:08:17.840 --> 02:08:19.039 where there's a new committee. 2642 02:08:19.079 --> 02:08:20.840 This year, I think there are six new members. 2643 02:08:21.640 --> 02:08:25.800 It's kind of a hodgepodge of current AD's former ADS administrators, 2644 02:08:26.319 --> 02:08:28.880 you know, and every year it seems like they tab 2645 02:08:29.039 --> 02:08:31.800 one member to go speak to the media, and then 2646 02:08:32.199 --> 02:08:35.800 the rankings are released, the person comes out, and more 2647 02:08:35.880 --> 02:08:38.279 often than not, it's a convoluted mess of a bunch 2648 02:08:38.279 --> 02:08:41.399 of different things that don't really ever line up. So 2649 02:08:41.680 --> 02:08:44.000 I think BYU has a beef as far as being 2650 02:08:44.079 --> 02:08:48.960 behind Indiana, and even though Tennessee is the seven seed 2651 02:08:49.000 --> 02:08:50.960 as of now, I would say they also have a 2652 02:08:51.039 --> 02:08:55.800 legitimate beef of being behind Penn States. So excuse me, 2653 02:08:55.920 --> 02:08:59.359 Tennessee is the Yeah, that's right. BYU is nine, Indiana eight, 2654 02:08:59.479 --> 02:09:03.199 Tennessee evan, Penn State six. So ultimately I do believe 2655 02:09:03.239 --> 02:09:06.920 BYU's resume is better than Indiana's, and it's probably better 2656 02:09:07.000 --> 02:09:10.560 than Penn States. BYU has two top twenty wins and 2657 02:09:10.600 --> 02:09:15.880 by the way, SMU first team out at number thirteen. Okay, 2658 02:09:16.279 --> 02:09:18.319 second team out as Texas A and M not your 2659 02:09:18.359 --> 02:09:21.079 main of the conversation at this point. So the fact 2660 02:09:21.119 --> 02:09:23.880 that BYU has one of the most impressive wins, and 2661 02:09:23.960 --> 02:09:26.119 it really is with what SMU has gone and done 2662 02:09:26.159 --> 02:09:29.079 and BYU going down on the road and taking care 2663 02:09:29.119 --> 02:09:30.880 of them. It felt big in the moment, but it 2664 02:09:31.239 --> 02:09:32.920 turns out to be a lot bigger and better than 2665 02:09:32.960 --> 02:09:33.479 I thought. 2666 02:09:33.319 --> 02:09:33.760 That it was. 2667 02:09:34.960 --> 02:09:37.760 So that to me, combined with the look, say what 2668 02:09:37.880 --> 02:09:40.439 you want about the luck factor or the you know, 2669 02:09:40.960 --> 02:09:45.680 fortunate circumstances against K State, BYU blew their doors off. 2670 02:09:46.439 --> 02:09:48.720 K State's still a top twenty five team, Like, that's 2671 02:09:48.840 --> 02:09:49.960 not a throwaway win. 2672 02:09:50.560 --> 02:09:54.920 So I understand some of the frustration and some of 2673 02:09:55.000 --> 02:09:59.000 the conversation around brand bias, and guys, I'm here to 2674 02:09:59.039 --> 02:10:01.520 tell you I'm sorry. It is for real, and you 2675 02:10:01.560 --> 02:10:04.399 want to know why. It's not just the committee, It's 2676 02:10:04.439 --> 02:10:09.039 not just the CFP committee. It's powerful, powerful television executives 2677 02:10:09.720 --> 02:10:12.800 that simply want the biggest and best brands on their 2678 02:10:12.920 --> 02:10:14.119 television network. 2679 02:10:14.239 --> 02:10:14.800 That's what it is. 2680 02:10:15.439 --> 02:10:18.039 So that's why you're gonna see the SEC and the 2681 02:10:18.079 --> 02:10:21.600 big ten get multiple teams in and also for the 2682 02:10:21.680 --> 02:10:24.439 most part, that's where the best football in America's played. 2683 02:10:24.560 --> 02:10:26.359 As much as people around here don't like to say 2684 02:10:26.399 --> 02:10:30.760 that out loud, it's just real. So is the CFP committee, 2685 02:10:31.640 --> 02:10:36.479 combined with pressure from television executives looking at a first 2686 02:10:36.560 --> 02:10:39.399 round matchup of Penn State Notre Dame and looking at 2687 02:10:39.399 --> 02:10:44.880 a first round matchup of Alabama Texas and wanting Georgia 2688 02:10:45.119 --> 02:10:51.479 to host a playoff, there is a very likely scenario that, Look, 2689 02:10:51.560 --> 02:10:53.439 I don't know that the Indiana brand. 2690 02:10:54.079 --> 02:10:56.520 Certainly on the basketball side it is, but not on 2691 02:10:56.600 --> 02:10:57.479 the football side. 2692 02:10:57.520 --> 02:11:00.840 I don't know that the Indiana brand as a football 2693 02:11:00.920 --> 02:11:04.880 program is anything better than Brigham Young. I mean, probably 2694 02:11:04.920 --> 02:11:07.039 biased because I'm local, but it doesn't feel that way. 2695 02:11:08.079 --> 02:11:11.000 But Penn State certainly is in the realm of college football, 2696 02:11:11.079 --> 02:11:14.520 true blue blood Tennessee because of their footprint, you know, 2697 02:11:15.000 --> 02:11:19.319 a more you know, nationally recognized brand, certainly, And then 2698 02:11:19.359 --> 02:11:23.680 there's no debate about Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, Georgia, Miami 2699 02:11:23.880 --> 02:11:27.600 and now Oregon. They've played themselves in that stratosphere as 2700 02:11:27.680 --> 02:11:31.800 the biggest, best and most recognizable brands. 2701 02:11:32.079 --> 02:11:33.279 In all of college football. 2702 02:11:33.479 --> 02:11:35.560 And if Brigham Young matched up to that brand, the 2703 02:11:35.640 --> 02:11:37.960 TV data would tell us that it does. The only 2704 02:11:38.720 --> 02:11:42.880 program out this way that actually has the ratings and 2705 02:11:42.960 --> 02:11:45.359 eyes that some of these other blue bloods down in 2706 02:11:45.399 --> 02:11:47.520 the SEC and the Big ten have is Colorado. 2707 02:11:47.560 --> 02:11:48.319 It's not BYU. 2708 02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:51.399 And BYU's brand is good. It's not a bad brand. 2709 02:11:52.000 --> 02:11:53.279 You know, We're going to talk about it with Josh 2710 02:11:53.359 --> 02:11:55.600 pay coming up. So how much of it is brand biased? 2711 02:11:55.600 --> 02:11:58.479 I'm certainly. I'm sure some of that is there because 2712 02:11:58.479 --> 02:12:01.560 every year the messaging is convolution. I heard the CFP 2713 02:12:01.720 --> 02:12:04.640 reps say they used the eye test on Indiana, and yes, 2714 02:12:04.760 --> 02:12:07.279 Indiana has smoked every team they played, But have you 2715 02:12:07.399 --> 02:12:11.000 watched BYU like that? One to me was like, okay, 2716 02:12:11.239 --> 02:12:13.359 you know, I'm not taking anything away from Indiana. They 2717 02:12:13.439 --> 02:12:16.039 deserve a ton of credit as one of the four 2718 02:12:16.840 --> 02:12:19.840 P four teams undefeated. And the other thing to keep 2719 02:12:19.880 --> 02:12:23.119 in mind is this will play itself out. Indiana's last 2720 02:12:23.199 --> 02:12:28.039 three games Michigan at home coming up this weekend. 2721 02:12:28.479 --> 02:12:30.760 And then it's Ohio State at the Horseshoe. 2722 02:12:31.439 --> 02:12:33.800 They're probably gonna get smoked in that one home against 2723 02:12:33.840 --> 02:12:36.680 a horrible Purdue team, so they'll be fine with the 2724 02:12:37.399 --> 02:12:38.479 final game of the season. 2725 02:12:38.840 --> 02:12:40.800 But the Indiana. Stuff will take care of itself. 2726 02:12:40.840 --> 02:12:43.760 You know, if BYU continues to handle their business and 2727 02:12:43.960 --> 02:12:46.720 they stay clean, their path is still very very clear. 2728 02:12:46.800 --> 02:12:50.039 But again, this is an indictment on the Big twelve. 2729 02:12:50.239 --> 02:12:52.239 There's simply no doubt about that. 2730 02:12:53.000 --> 02:12:55.399 All right, wrapping it up here at beer Bar, the 2731 02:12:55.479 --> 02:12:57.680 final home stretch of the drive is brought to you 2732 02:12:57.760 --> 02:13:01.239 b our friends at LHM Dealers Larry H. 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Not 2740 02:13:28.359 --> 02:13:30.239 going to mean much when you're playing bad teams like that. 2741 02:13:30.439 --> 02:13:33.640 So got some good NBA games and then, of course 2742 02:13:33.680 --> 02:13:35.359 the football weekend will begin tomorrow. 2743 02:13:36.319 --> 02:13:36.560 Porter. 2744 02:13:36.680 --> 02:13:39.760 Have you ever bought anything off a website and then 2745 02:13:39.880 --> 02:13:44.520 suddenly two weeks later find information that comes your way, 2746 02:13:44.720 --> 02:13:47.239 mostly via your credit card statement, that you have joined 2747 02:13:47.279 --> 02:13:49.399 a membership that you were not aware of. 2748 02:13:49.840 --> 02:13:52.000 I have done that a time time. Unfortunately. 2749 02:13:52.239 --> 02:13:54.680 Yes, not going to say the name of the company 2750 02:13:54.720 --> 02:13:57.479 out loud. But I bought about a little Clone. Okay, 2751 02:13:57.520 --> 02:13:59.920 it's a little Clone website where instead of paying ridic 2752 02:14:00.319 --> 02:14:05.159 money for Clone, it's discounted and apparently I'm a prime member. 2753 02:14:05.279 --> 02:14:07.920 That costs me seventy nine dollars a month. And the 2754 02:14:08.000 --> 02:14:10.359 colone that I bought wasn't even that expensive. And I 2755 02:14:10.520 --> 02:14:12.600 just found out via my credit card bill that apparently 2756 02:14:12.640 --> 02:14:15.399 I'm like a VIP member of this website I've been 2757 02:14:15.439 --> 02:14:16.520 to one time in my life. 2758 02:14:16.600 --> 02:14:18.680 It's pretty shady. If I'm not gonna lie. 2759 02:14:18.640 --> 02:14:20.800 Well, now you're gonna get new cologne like every week. 2760 02:14:21.920 --> 02:14:23.439 But I just got a new bottle. I don't need 2761 02:14:23.479 --> 02:14:24.039 a new bottle. 2762 02:14:24.039 --> 02:14:25.920 I just don't need them to charge me seventy nine 2763 02:14:26.000 --> 02:14:28.840 dollars because I've never even been to their website. 2764 02:14:29.000 --> 02:14:30.520 So kind of frustrated. 2765 02:14:30.680 --> 02:14:34.119 I did it with And this is a different story, 2766 02:14:34.159 --> 02:14:37.159 but I had one where my gym got a hold 2767 02:14:37.159 --> 02:14:40.359 of my credit card number obviously the automatic monthly thing. 2768 02:14:40.840 --> 02:14:44.600 It was one of those chain gyms, and man, they 2769 02:14:44.760 --> 02:14:48.359 would not let it go. It took me like lawyers 2770 02:14:48.520 --> 02:14:52.159 to get them to not continue my monthly payment and 2771 02:14:53.199 --> 02:14:55.560 canceling my card. And then once I canceled my card, 2772 02:14:55.640 --> 02:14:59.279 they still were claiming that I was supposed to be 2773 02:14:59.720 --> 02:15:03.000 part of the gym membership for like some crazy long 2774 02:15:03.079 --> 02:15:03.680 period of time. 2775 02:15:03.760 --> 02:15:05.039 So I've been there, I've been there. 2776 02:15:05.279 --> 02:15:07.479 It seriously is the most shady thing in the world, 2777 02:15:07.600 --> 02:15:11.000 because I went to cancel on their website and they 2778 02:15:11.000 --> 02:15:13.039 would take you through all these steps and then you 2779 02:15:13.159 --> 02:15:16.640 click on the button to cancel and it says sorry, problem. 2780 02:15:16.319 --> 02:15:18.760 Occurred, but there's no phone number there you go. So 2781 02:15:18.920 --> 02:15:21.079 this is just like what is going you know what? 2782 02:15:21.319 --> 02:15:22.199 I'm not going. I can't. 2783 02:15:22.399 --> 02:15:24.560 I've done I've gone all show and I've not done 2784 02:15:24.680 --> 02:15:27.479 what is going on? Diatribe? I will not do the 2785 02:15:27.560 --> 02:15:30.479 what is going on diatribe. We have a work dinner tonight. 2786 02:15:30.600 --> 02:15:33.800 So the question is, who's the member of the staff 2787 02:15:34.039 --> 02:15:36.560 that you least want to sit next to at dinner tonight. 2788 02:15:36.640 --> 02:15:40.199 Oh good question, that's a really good question. And I 2789 02:15:40.279 --> 02:15:42.560 hope they're listening. I hope the whole staff is listening on. 2790 02:15:42.560 --> 02:15:45.600 Their way in. Yeah, the answer is easily Kurt. 2791 02:15:47.439 --> 02:15:49.399 It may be Kurt this week. Oh yeah, it's because 2792 02:15:49.560 --> 02:15:51.239 I got I got beef with him. If he's listening. 2793 02:15:51.479 --> 02:15:53.800 Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean it was a trick 2794 02:15:53.920 --> 02:15:56.279 question because there's really one answer. The answer is Kurt, 2795 02:15:57.439 --> 02:15:59.720 I kid, because if I said anybody else's name, I 2796 02:15:59.760 --> 02:16:01.479 feel like they would have a meltdown to be mad 2797 02:16:01.520 --> 02:16:03.800 at me. You can't say DJ's a sweet kid, he'd 2798 02:16:03.840 --> 02:16:07.520 be mad. You can't say Steve, he's the boss. You 2799 02:16:07.600 --> 02:16:09.680 can't say Jackie. She's in charge of sales, so we 2800 02:16:09.760 --> 02:16:13.640 need her. Gotta be Kurt Man. That's I think the 2801 02:16:13.960 --> 02:16:16.199 answer is Kurt tonight. That's the one I'd like to avoid. 2802 02:16:16.800 --> 02:16:20.039 I think you've landed on it. But I'll sit next 2803 02:16:20.079 --> 02:16:21.079 to Kurt. I'll take one for the team. 2804 02:16:21.239 --> 02:16:23.079 Okay, I appreciate that, all right? 2805 02:16:23.159 --> 02:16:27.119 Porter, Before we say good night on a Chili cold 2806 02:16:27.239 --> 02:16:30.000 now dark Wednesday evening, because it gets dark at five 2807 02:16:30.000 --> 02:16:32.959 point thirty, what should our listeners know about what comes 2808 02:16:33.000 --> 02:16:33.319 their way? 2809 02:16:33.399 --> 02:16:35.559 On a Thursday edition of the radio show. 2810 02:16:35.600 --> 02:16:39.239 On a Thursday edition of the program, A Big Hour, 2811 02:16:40.079 --> 02:16:42.559 Greg Bowler, Jack Gordon months and they'll both stop by 2812 02:16:42.680 --> 02:16:46.079 via the telephone line. Well Chot with Dave mcminnimon talking 2813 02:16:46.159 --> 02:16:49.040 some hoops on the NBA Daily Assist and then it 2814 02:16:49.239 --> 02:16:52.879 is rivalry time. We're talking hoops or we're talking football 2815 02:16:53.120 --> 02:16:57.280 rather with our friend Stevens Silvester, of course, the former 2816 02:16:57.360 --> 02:16:59.600 ute NFL linebacker. He's going to be up there at 2817 02:16:59.639 --> 02:17:03.520 the end of Players Association Code Drive with me before 2818 02:17:03.799 --> 02:17:05.959 the game on Saturday, and then of course we'll be 2819 02:17:06.079 --> 02:17:09.399 on the sideline for the game on Saturday. So good 2820 02:17:09.440 --> 02:17:11.200 to catch up with Sly and the rest of them, 2821 02:17:11.239 --> 02:17:13.280 and then we may we may catch up with our 2822 02:17:13.319 --> 02:17:15.440 guy Neil Smith, who we missed. 2823 02:17:15.159 --> 02:17:17.680 Out on today. Neil with a little sinus infection. 2824 02:17:17.840 --> 02:17:21.079 He had to call in questionable, then was downgraded to doubtful, 2825 02:17:21.120 --> 02:17:24.079 then ultimately out. So hopefully we can talk some Utah 2826 02:17:24.120 --> 02:17:27.000 Hockey Club tomorrow. They are in action tomorrow night. All right, 2827 02:17:27.079 --> 02:17:29.399 with that, we will say goodnight special thank you, Pablo 2828 02:17:29.559 --> 02:17:32.760 mash do any Spencer Lytton, Josh Pate, Neil Smith, and 2829 02:17:32.799 --> 02:17:33.600 Bill riley Man. 2830 02:17:33.840 --> 02:17:35.399 Not Neil, he's going to join us tomorrow. 2831 02:17:35.440 --> 02:17:38.799 But that's three really good college football interviews and a 2832 02:17:38.920 --> 02:17:42.239 really fun conversation with Pablo. So if you're an RSL fan, 2833 02:17:42.760 --> 02:17:44.840 go grab that on the podcast page. And if you're 2834 02:17:44.879 --> 02:17:48.559 looking for Rivalry Week content, we have that too. Website's 2835 02:17:48.559 --> 02:17:51.280 an option. It's ESPN seven hundred sports dot com. 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