Speaker 1: In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Birdie's
Speaker 1: and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
Speaker 1: beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls
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Speaker 1: In the world where fairways meet the airwaves were Berdiees
Speaker 1: and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
Speaker 1: beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls
Speaker 1: and Teas, your passport to the golfing universe where every
Speaker 1: swing tells the story and every part has its punchline.
Speaker 1: Get ready to step onto the large screens and dive
Speaker 1: into the world of divens drives and delightful better the Magician.
Speaker 3: All right, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: As you know, this is the one and only Tony
Speaker 2: Tone the Magician, and you are tuned in to Balls
Speaker 2: and Teas, the only social golf podcast that covers every
Speaker 2: single corner of the world.
Speaker 3: I'm talking international spaces. That's where we at.
Speaker 2: And if you hear of anyone calling themselves Tony, turn
Speaker 2: the Magician, but it isn't me.
Speaker 3: I tell me I will take.
Speaker 2: Them somewhere somewhere, very very very very crucial but anyway,
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, I promise you at hot show, I
Speaker 2: promised you a lot of vibes. I promised you and
Speaker 2: energetic and energetic guests. So if you can just allow
Speaker 2: me the owners to introduce the one and only founder
Speaker 2: and director of Marula Escapes.
Speaker 3: Man, now my singer, miss, my singer, how do you do?
Speaker 4: I'm doing very well? Thank you, my Lang good in
Speaker 4: talk Gooden opened when as not chess when I startlist
Speaker 4: and you said that we're global.
Speaker 2: So you know, for a moment I thought you were stattering,
Speaker 2: but if it was great things you need to teach me.
Speaker 5: I speak Spanish and some German.
Speaker 2: I today I will be your student. So well, Miss Pasinga.
Speaker 2: I tried to introduce you in the best possible men,
Speaker 2: and that I could from my side, but I believe
Speaker 2: that it would only be fair to give you the
Speaker 2: opportunity to reintroduce yourself properly. Tell our audience who exactly
Speaker 2: is now my singer and who's my Rula Luxury Escapes.
Speaker 3: And for the most we.
Speaker 2: Should we should talk about golf because there's a golf podcast.
Speaker 2: So I just want to understand your journey into this
Speaker 2: space and how did you find yourself being in love
Speaker 2: with the spot, So let me pass the mind to
Speaker 2: you and then you can just let the audience know
Speaker 2: exactly who you are, all right.
Speaker 4: So now my singer, I am the founder and director
Speaker 4: of Marula Escapes. We curate travel around the world, so
Speaker 4: it literally comes down to my clients dream it and
Speaker 4: wave a magic wand and.
Speaker 5: Make it happen.
Speaker 4: So it's quite an exciting journey because each travel experience
Speaker 4: that we'll put together is as unique to the client
Speaker 4: as their fingerprints, so no two trips are ever.
Speaker 5: Really the same.
Speaker 4: You know, we we we travel for for various reasons,
Speaker 4: and for me, it was important with the brand to
Speaker 4: be able to have travel return its investment for each
Speaker 4: individual and hence why we curate travels. So we don't
Speaker 4: We don't have predesigned packages except except if we're if
Speaker 4: we're doing like a golf tour or something like that that's.
Speaker 5: Pre planned that I joined.
Speaker 4: But as a general we design every experience from zero
Speaker 4: for each client based on their needs, their necessarity, their necessities,
Speaker 4: their interests.
Speaker 5: Et cetera. So that's us in a nutshell, I think.
Speaker 3: Pretty much. Trying to sum it up.
Speaker 4: And how I got into golf, guys, Nay, you see
Speaker 4: now mm hmm.
Speaker 5: But when.
Speaker 4: This golf thing, right it all the journey started around COVID.
Speaker 4: I think it was the around the first moments when
Speaker 4: we're allowed out of our houses and we're actually allowed
Speaker 4: to get some from some fresh air. So I a client,
Speaker 4: my husband's client for some odd reason, Lord only knows
Speaker 4: why gave us clubs. I think we had gone to
Speaker 4: the driving range because one of our friends is like, oh,
Speaker 4: you should come and try this thing called golf. And
Speaker 4: honestly I hated it at first.
Speaker 3: I like your honesty because a lot of people would
Speaker 3: say no, I lost it from.
Speaker 2: The for you to tell me the truth that now
Speaker 2: I didn't like this because I liked me.
Speaker 5: No sense to me.
Speaker 4: I was just like, why on earth people out and
Speaker 4: spend hours on the course a stick and and trying
Speaker 4: to hit this tiny ball and chasing it around.
Speaker 5: For hours on end. Like I'm just like, please.
Speaker 4: Somebody make it make sense, right, because I like my
Speaker 4: whole my whole life, I've been into sports. I've been
Speaker 4: either an athlete where I was doing nitball or you know,
Speaker 4: something biggerous, and I'm like, but guys like like golf.
Speaker 4: I'm just you know, it wasn't making sense. Let me
Speaker 4: be honest, I'm just like, I ain't even breaking a sweat,
Speaker 4: you know, I love how can they called us a
Speaker 4: sport when I am not sweating? Like, I wasn't understanding it.
Speaker 4: It's also very super frustrating when you're just starting because
Speaker 4: to to get that connection right with the ball, especially
Speaker 4: I'm a very competitive person. So yeah, so it was, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was just not working out well.
Speaker 5: But anyway, so we went, we went.
Speaker 4: To the driving range and now we're trying to, you know,
Speaker 4: understand this, this world of golf. We went a couple
Speaker 4: of times and then my husband's client was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I've got clubs at home that are just occupying space.
Speaker 5: You guys should have them.
Speaker 4: So we were given a set of clubs, very nice
Speaker 4: by the way, as I later learned. But but that's
Speaker 4: how we got into golf. And but now, what really
Speaker 4: propelled me as as as a woman, to get into
Speaker 4: it was realizing I'm just like Marie, you know, guy
Speaker 4: goes out the entire day. My whole Sunday, I'm left alone,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, this is not cool. Now, it was
Speaker 4: really selfish. I'm not even gonna lie. It was very
Speaker 4: selfish because I'm like, hip, this person tells me he's
Speaker 4: gonna play golf, and he lives in the morning, right,
Speaker 4: and now he comes back in the evening like after dinner.
Speaker 4: I'm like to how long does the sport takes? It
Speaker 4: taking the whole day?
Speaker 5: So then I was like, no, I need to.
Speaker 4: Kind of learn and understand this, And that's how I
Speaker 4: got in it. It was just like what I mean,
Speaker 4: my husband works very long hours, and I'm like, but
Speaker 4: now the weekends that were supposed to be spending together,
Speaker 4: you're out on the gold.
Speaker 5: Of course it needs the entire day.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, so if this is what it is,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to learn these things.
Speaker 2: Behind yeah, And I mean, just to just to put
Speaker 2: this out bit, like you said, how long does it
Speaker 2: take to take you to play a round of golf?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean a round of golf in true honesty,
Speaker 4: is supposed to take you four or five hours max.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, But now the.
Speaker 4: Problem if you're sitting at home and you're waiting for somebody,
Speaker 4: it's a problem. The problem is the nineteenth hole.
Speaker 5: You see, that nineteenth hole is where it was beginning.
Speaker 4: Now we will get there and now it's a good
Speaker 4: time and they're catching up and they're talking about all
Speaker 4: these stats, and the drinks are flow and the tournaments
Speaker 4: are another problem because yeah, then these drinks all over
Speaker 4: the place. But the main issue is the main issue
Speaker 4: is that nineteenth hole, because then people get there and
Speaker 4: and I mean it's great.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm in it now, so I understand it.
Speaker 4: It's great for the networking where you get to chat
Speaker 4: and whatnot and you meet all these different people you know,
Speaker 4: and then you're sharing you have a common interest, which
Speaker 4: is a sport, and all the frustrations that come with it.
Speaker 4: And now all of a sudden, what was supposed to
Speaker 4: be four or five hours is ten hours.
Speaker 3: I'm like, so, yeah, how did we get it?
Speaker 5: Yeah? And so I needed to understand.
Speaker 4: Because the excuse is no, you know, love we did.
Speaker 5: I did a round of golf. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: And then he tell me all these things that I
Speaker 4: don't understand, you know, all these golf terminologies, and I
Speaker 4: was just like, okay, I feel like a blonde right
Speaker 4: now because.
Speaker 5: This is just not making sense.
Speaker 4: And then I'm like, okay, but you tell me that
Speaker 4: this round takes four to five hours, but I feel
Speaker 4: like you've spent the entire day.
Speaker 5: So when did the rest of the day.
Speaker 3: What happened to the expo six hours?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just like, what happened to the rest of
Speaker 5: the hours? But so that's how that's how I got
Speaker 5: into golf.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: But that's that's a lovely introduction to the spot. And
Speaker 2: you know, I always preach something to say as as
Speaker 2: golfers understanding and knowing how long it actually takes for
Speaker 2: one to be on the golf course. I always say,
Speaker 2: bring your closest people to the golf course so that
Speaker 2: you can spend more time and that they understand because
Speaker 2: there's no better teacher than experience. Or for you to
Speaker 2: actually say I'm gonna do this because I want to
Speaker 2: understand what's really happening there, and for you to be
Speaker 2: hoop up till now, then I'm happy because at least
Speaker 2: you took a decision. A lot of people, like like
Speaker 2: you said, from the initial you were not really interested.
Speaker 3: You were like, this is lame, this is not for me.
Speaker 2: But once you got to understand the space or should
Speaker 2: I say the environment and the comraderick around the spot,
Speaker 2: I think that's when the park actually hits you and
Speaker 2: you've just been sick from them.
Speaker 5: My guy, the bag took over, Like.
Speaker 4: I went from this sport doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 5: This is lame. I hate it too.
Speaker 4: I'm playing more golf than my husband and now I'm
Speaker 4: super competitive and I'm just like, basically, yes, you might
Speaker 4: be mister master Man because he's in fitness, so he's good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, got all beguns.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, now I've been told that it's not
Speaker 4: about how big your muscles are.
Speaker 5: It's about letting this club do what it does best.
Speaker 4: So all right, So I was like, I'm gonna make
Speaker 4: sure i'll drive this guy.
Speaker 5: Nature comes out.
Speaker 4: So I was like, I'm gonna go to the driving
Speaker 4: range and I'm gonna, you know, learn my swing so
Speaker 4: that i can drive properly. Because as a woman, to
Speaker 4: be honest, on the golf course, the most frustrating thing,
Speaker 4: and I'll get to the second part of my statement
Speaker 4: just now, the most frustrating thing is that when you
Speaker 4: get on the course as a woman, immediately, and I've
Speaker 4: seen this multiple times, immediately the guys are like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, she's gonna slow down the course, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: my god, you know nothing about make an.
Speaker 3: An assumption.
Speaker 5: Because as soon as.
Speaker 4: Like me and my girls get on the course, the guys.
Speaker 5: Like, guys, can we can we go through?
Speaker 4: I'm like my guy, first of all, if you can
Speaker 4: outdrive me, then maybe we can talk about it.
Speaker 5: But then.
Speaker 2: Just just off record, miss my singer. You know you're
Speaker 2: talking about a long shots.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, uh.
Speaker 2: And then your husband will will have to forgive me
Speaker 2: for asking this question. Have you are driven him?
Speaker 5: I have?
Speaker 3: And how do you take it? How do you take now?
Speaker 6: Then he went to then he went to the gym
Speaker 6: and went to practice and night, and now he has
Speaker 6: driven me slightly more, but.
Speaker 3: At least you're keeping him on.
Speaker 4: So I was the first to break two hundred in
Speaker 4: the house.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, right, mm hmm.
Speaker 5: And this pissed him off.
Speaker 3: He was not happy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was struggling for some odd reason to break
Speaker 4: two hundred and then here I was consistently breaking it.
Speaker 5: And then so then he went and fixed the situation.
Speaker 4: So last weekend when we played he hit two sixty,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, okay, I think my longest drive
Speaker 4: is like to.
Speaker 5: To forty. So I'm like, okay, it's twenty meters.
Speaker 4: I'm long.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you one week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like I'm coming back.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, you know know,
Speaker 2: if anything in golf, lets let men be men. You know,
Speaker 2: we'll always try to exercise our masculinity around the gold course,
Speaker 2: especially on the tea box.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: But as I said, because of the immediate underestimation, if
Speaker 4: I can call it like that that I receive as
Speaker 4: a woman on the golf course, mm hm, I make
Speaker 4: sure that I'm going to drive you, you know, just just
Speaker 4: to just so the demands sit down and just.
Speaker 3: Just to brew someone's ego.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, because I'm just like, you can't just come.
Speaker 5: And assume yeah yeah, I'm like, hy no, no, let's
Speaker 5: let's do this then. Okay, so that's my thing.
Speaker 4: But as I said, I am super competitive.
Speaker 3: So mhmm, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I always say as a competitive individual,
Speaker 2: it should actually flow into positive aspects of your life.
Speaker 2: And speaking of which, I mean, you're an entrepreneur, you
Speaker 2: run your own business. Now, I just want to find
Speaker 2: out from your end with regards to this spot that
Speaker 2: you loved so much, how then do you integrate it
Speaker 2: into your everyday life when it comes to business.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna answer that question in two parts because
Speaker 4: remember earlier I said there were two parts with my
Speaker 4: journey with me, right, So one was I need to
Speaker 4: beat my husband and our drive.
Speaker 3: Him and I hope he's not listening it, no, but.
Speaker 5: He knows it very well. I'm very I'm a very
Speaker 5: honest persons. I told him it's not.
Speaker 4: But then the second part of it that I going
Speaker 4: back to the issue of as a woman going onto
Speaker 4: the golf course, there is these assumptions that I made,
Speaker 4: and and and and unfortunately there's a lot of bullying
Speaker 4: that happens when you're a woman on the course, as
Speaker 4: I said, because people automatically assume you're the one slowing
Speaker 4: down the course, and yet that's not necessarily the case.
Speaker 5: And and and it.
Speaker 4: Gets frustrating, especially as a beginner, because those who are
Speaker 4: more experienced do tend I'll use bully, but I mean,
Speaker 4: I think there's a lighter word, but English is depleted
Speaker 4: right now. So so because I wanted to get more
Speaker 4: women into the sport, but but for them not to
Speaker 4: have to go through what I went through. A friend
Speaker 4: of mine, and I started a Ladies club specifically for
Speaker 4: beginners to you know, get them used to let educate
Speaker 4: the rules, you know, get them onto the course without
Speaker 4: all the intimidation factors because there's powering numbers. So I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: you can bully one four ball, but you can't bully
Speaker 4: us if we're five four balls, because you can get
Speaker 4: through me, but then you have to get through fourmals.
Speaker 4: So we started a club that went from just us
Speaker 4: to like one hundred and fifty in joe Burg in
Speaker 4: like Tea, which is amazing speak.
Speaker 5: Right, especially.
Speaker 4: Especially for such a short time frame. But but it
Speaker 4: showed us that there's a need for something like this
Speaker 4: where you know, people are being introduced to to the
Speaker 4: sport in a in a safe environment. And because us ladies,
Speaker 4: the way we golf is very different from guys. But
Speaker 4: the ladies is about the outfits. As I learned, they
Speaker 4: want to look cute. They yeah, they're like, okay, but
Speaker 4: what's the color fee? And I'm just I'm not that person.
Speaker 5: So I was like, oh my goodness, this is this
Speaker 5: other world that I'm.
Speaker 3: Not used to.
Speaker 4: And then it must have little stops and photo moments,
Speaker 4: but I'm just like, Okay, this is ladies and this
Speaker 4: is what they love and if this is what it's
Speaker 4: going to take to get them on the course, then
Speaker 4: final let them wear they cute outfits. So then we
Speaker 4: had I had to adapt. I'm like, okay, right, how
Speaker 4: now this translated into the business is stemming off of running,
Speaker 4: you know, and and being active in this ladies group
Speaker 4: for like two years.
Speaker 5: I was like, but what I do is travel.
Speaker 4: And if there's one thing that Gold does very well
Speaker 4: is because as a golfer, you're always wanting to experience
Speaker 4: new golf courses to challenge yourself. Right, Golfers often travel, right,
Speaker 4: You're always moving somewhere to go and see something, and
Speaker 4: we always want those and those beautiful places, And to
Speaker 4: be honest, golf courses are generally in some of the
Speaker 4: most beautiful places well, right, So it ties in very
Speaker 4: well with what I do anyway, because I love beautiful places.
Speaker 4: So I was like, these two things actually make sense.
Speaker 3: For me together.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a perfect synergy.
Speaker 4: So this year was when I was like, you know what,
Speaker 4: I should actually incorporate golf and golf tours into my business,
Speaker 4: seeing that I have access to this market right now,
Speaker 4: with these one hundred and fifty ladies. This is my
Speaker 4: opportunity to now show case is what I can do
Speaker 4: for them in this specific market, which is the golfers.
Speaker 4: And yeah, and then that's what it did. And then
Speaker 4: we went off to Mauritius.
Speaker 5: Done. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I didn't know you love golf that much.
Speaker 5: I mean, as I.
Speaker 4: Said, I love beautiful places.
Speaker 3: So the two just.
Speaker 4: Max if there are a couple of things that I
Speaker 4: love is beautiful places, incredible food, and it tings me
Speaker 4: to all these, to all of the above, like I'm
Speaker 4: just like golf, and Mauritius was breathtaking those courses. The
Speaker 4: scenery thing is just mind blowing. And then stepping off
Speaker 4: of that, I get it now. Words spread around this
Speaker 4: golf community. People talk, and now next year we're going
Speaker 4: off to Thailand because people are like, hey, we're here now,
Speaker 4: so let's go.
Speaker 3: I want to be in your luggage back.
Speaker 5: You should come along. Yeah. So that's how the two
Speaker 5: have married.
Speaker 3: Mhmm.
Speaker 2: And I like, you know, you've just put something into
Speaker 2: perspective to say, listen, you like beautiful places, you like
Speaker 2: great food, and you love gods. So golf has somehow
Speaker 2: become a mending world between the beautiful experience from a
Speaker 2: culinary paint of view as well as the hospitality side
Speaker 2: of things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just it kind of became a very
Speaker 4: natural extension of what it is that I already do.
Speaker 4: I mean, my clients know me to curate all these
Speaker 4: beautiful experiences, and now I can add golf to that
Speaker 4: and not and not from a theoretical aspect, but from
Speaker 4: a very practical aspect where I'm an actual golfer, So
Speaker 4: I will consider things that you won't really learn from
Speaker 4: my textwork. I mean, it's just like with what I
Speaker 4: do with regards to travel.
Speaker 5: I've lived abroad for.
Speaker 4: Over twelve years and I've traveled extensively, So when I
Speaker 4: put together in that ginery, it's not based on theoretics.
Speaker 4: It's based on what would I do if I was
Speaker 4: in your shoes and I was doing this trip because
Speaker 4: I've extensively traveled. So yeah, it's very practical kind of
Speaker 4: inputs that that I provide.
Speaker 3: Awesome stuff now just to find out something.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, like you mentioned, you deal with a
Speaker 2: lot of different people obviously with different needs, and you
Speaker 2: try to curate the trips specifically for each one.
Speaker 3: Of them. Now, Obviously.
Speaker 2: People like certain experiences and what works for me you
Speaker 2: wouldn't work for the next person. So I just find
Speaker 2: out from your side, what would you say has been
Speaker 2: like the most outrageous request a client of yours has
Speaker 2: made with regards to a.
Speaker 3: Place that has.
Speaker 2: Beautiful landscapes, beautiful experiences as well as good golf.
Speaker 4: Like I get a lot of crazy stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: as as golfers, right, what averyods in in these few
Speaker 4: years that I've been playing. Yeah, golfers love to learn
Speaker 4: from the pros now because I'm pretty good at waving
Speaker 4: a wand and making things happen. You'll find that a
Speaker 4: person will be like, hey, now you know, I saw
Speaker 4: this guy on TV. He lives in this country and
Speaker 4: I'd love to meet him. I'm like, but my god,
Speaker 4: I feel like I know everybody.
Speaker 3: Just like.
Speaker 4: And make it like I would love to have a
Speaker 4: golf game with like a pro golfer, And I'm like.
Speaker 5: You, I'm just like, I'm like, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I'm pretty sure I can pull it out of
Speaker 4: a hat, perhaps, but wow, it's gonna take a whole
Speaker 4: lot of zeros for me to do.
Speaker 3: Like you have to make mountains move.
Speaker 4: For the proper, because I'm just like, where do I
Speaker 4: even begin. Yeah, people really don't want to meet the proofs,
Speaker 4: like the like the big boys that we watch on TV.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, if anybody is out there listening, they
Speaker 4: should give me a call.
Speaker 3: So okay, I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean I mean with that being said,
Speaker 2: obviously you would get reviews and feedback from your clients,
Speaker 2: and based on that, you'd also be able to have
Speaker 2: confidence when making or meeting other requests in future.
Speaker 3: So I just want to find out you.
Speaker 2: Play golf, your clients play golf, and you've played golf
Speaker 2: in South Africa, like you mentioned, You've just recently played
Speaker 2: in Mauritius. Now, I just want to get an idea
Speaker 2: from you to say, amongst other golf courses that you've
Speaker 2: played it, whether alone, whether with your clients, whether with
Speaker 2: your friends and family, which of the golf courses or yeah,
Speaker 2: which of the golf courses which you think are underrated
Speaker 2: or they're not getting the shine that they actually deserve
Speaker 2: according to you and your experience around that golf course.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I would I would say I'm going to keep
Speaker 4: it local, right because South Africa is We've got.
Speaker 5: A very.
Speaker 4: Extensive list of courses around the country. I feel like,
Speaker 4: you know, when when golfers want to go around, the
Speaker 4: general inclination is to either do like a Safari course,
Speaker 4: like now you're going to do the Langa side. Definitely,
Speaker 4: the the Western Cape in all its beauty and splendor, right,
Speaker 4: those are those, those are all the very well known ones.
Speaker 5: Right. However, the Wild Coast, I feel like is very underrated.
Speaker 4: There's beautiful courses there, and it's just a region that
Speaker 4: is overlooked in general. It's just generally, irrespective of whether
Speaker 4: this has to do with golf or whatever, I just
Speaker 4: I just feel like that area of our country is
Speaker 4: is quite quite overlooked, and and and it and and
Speaker 4: and yet they have incredible places there, you know, in
Speaker 4: the Eastern Cape. So for me that that would be
Speaker 4: definitely one I haven't. I haven't played in the case
Speaker 4: that n I don't even to be honest, I'm not
Speaker 4: even aware they have a golf course.
Speaker 5: I think I'm being brutally honest.
Speaker 3: Wow, I do a number of things, and the.
Speaker 5: Kids that end golfer is not one.
Speaker 4: So perhaps the next time I go there, I'll find
Speaker 4: a golf course.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 4: I haven't actually golfed in the case that end, so
Speaker 4: for me, I don't have a reference point there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I mean if you're talking the Wild Coast, if
Speaker 2: you were to go to cast and the Wild Coast
Speaker 2: Wild Coasts on golf cost it's quite a golf course
Speaker 2: and a lot of professional tournaments have taken place there.
Speaker 2: There's same year I haven't played them. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 2: a nice environment. The weather they is always accommodating to
Speaker 2: golf golferst because it's never really too hot.
Speaker 3: It's just always.
Speaker 2: Humid and there's there's always a bridge, so maybe try it,
Speaker 2: try it next time. But when you're talking Western Cape,
Speaker 2: it's a difficult environment to play, but the courses are beautiful.
Speaker 3: There's just a lot of wind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's just Cape Town in general. I mean
Speaker 4: it's just moody, like you just never know where you're
Speaker 4: gonna get.
Speaker 3: Now, now, let's let's talk about.
Speaker 2: Business and golf, right, I mean, you you are in
Speaker 2: that space on a daily base, and your clients are
Speaker 2: I would presume that some of them would travel for
Speaker 2: business rather than leisure as well, and obviously with the
Speaker 2: intent of securing other business opportunities. Now from your from
Speaker 2: your own perspective, if you were to look at what
Speaker 2: God can actually do for people in the business space,
Speaker 2: how would you explain it or how would you advocate
Speaker 2: for more entrepreneurs or self employee people to actually get
Speaker 2: into the space.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm again going to be brutally honest, right,
Speaker 4: you know, I've heard it said so many times that
Speaker 4: both is a great place to network, right Yeah, But
Speaker 4: I must say that in the female environment that I
Speaker 4: was in, I didn't really see much of that in
Speaker 4: terms of the networking turning into business. However, I must
Speaker 4: say mm hmm that once or as I play with
Speaker 4: my male counterparts, there's definitely a lot more networking and
Speaker 4: I can see and understand.
Speaker 5: And then when I when I went through to.
Speaker 4: The golf tournament last Friday where I was now I'm
Speaker 4: hosting a hole, I then saw in and in true capacity,
Speaker 4: the truth of what the power of the sport can
Speaker 4: do in terms of getting you out there, getting you
Speaker 4: in front of the right people, getting you the business opportunities.
Speaker 4: It it's it's it's quite a powerful tool, especially if
Speaker 4: you I mean it's it's it's good to be manning
Speaker 4: a hole, but if you actually on stand the sport.
Speaker 4: It gives you that much more leverage because as I'm
Speaker 4: talking to the golfers, I can talk and relate. Like
Speaker 4: you know, when a golfers like when I ask you, oh,
Speaker 4: how are you doing, how's the golf going, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: my gosh, I'm like, oh, golf is golfing. It's because
Speaker 4: I understand that one moment, Yeah, I understand that one
Speaker 4: moment you've hit your best shot, and then the second
Speaker 4: shot was like.
Speaker 5: Nah, dog, what are you doing? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: And how frustrating that is? Where you're like, what happened?
Speaker 3: So when when a golfers.
Speaker 4: Says that to me, I can relate, and I feel
Speaker 4: like relativity. If you can relate to somebody and understand them,
Speaker 4: you're able to build that rapport much better because you
Speaker 4: are understanding truly where it is that they're coming from.
Speaker 4: So and and then the other aspect that I find
Speaker 4: it important. And I was explaining this to my friend
Speaker 4: the other day and I'm like, you know what, since
Speaker 4: I started playing golf, I've understood why a lot of
Speaker 4: your senior executives and these these you know, these big
Speaker 4: deals I could they always say big deals happen on
Speaker 4: the golf course. I understood why once I played golf,
Speaker 4: because I'm like, the sport requires understand integrity when it comes,
Speaker 4: for example, to the scoring, because it literally there's no
Speaker 4: ref right, So it's a good it's a good space
Speaker 4: to be there, and starts out a person regarding their
Speaker 4: level of integrity, like are you going to be here
Speaker 4: lying to me?
Speaker 5: And then you want to sign a deal with me?
Speaker 4: Because now I've seen you lie on your scorecards, so
Speaker 4: now putting into question your level of integrity and can
Speaker 4: I trust you? So when I saw this and I
Speaker 4: learned this about golf, I'm like, oh, oh, this is
Speaker 4: why these guys come to the golf to suss out there,
Speaker 4: to suss you out before the signs a big deal.
Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of people would say that whatever
Speaker 2: you do in the world, do not mess with people's money.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the reason people would actually go
Speaker 2: onto the golf course just to see your character, to see, okay,
Speaker 2: is this person worthy enough for me to actually conduct
Speaker 2: business with? And uh, just to see what happens to
Speaker 2: you under pressure as well, because remember you get those
Speaker 2: good shots, those bad shots, and then your reaction will
Speaker 2: determine a lot about you.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, are you gonna be there, You're gonna be breaking
Speaker 4: your clubs and you know, having a whole hissy fits
Speaker 4: or are you gonna Are you gonna breathe and shake
Speaker 4: it off and carry on and try and fix it
Speaker 4: and correct it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm a girl.
Speaker 4: Okay again, there's I will not There are differences, right
Speaker 4: because I've seen it when I play with my husband,
Speaker 4: when I get a bad shot, I will literally scream
Speaker 4: it out like I'm just like, can I just get
Speaker 4: out of my system right? Not because I Am trying
Speaker 4: to be an emotional being or whatever, but I'd rather
Speaker 4: just get it out right, whereas men, y'all internally everything yep. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And this is why you guys get strokes because you're
Speaker 4: not letting it out. I mean, the nineteenth hole is
Speaker 4: there for bet no. And now that's why you spend
Speaker 4: five hours at the nineteenth. We're reflecting on all of
Speaker 4: those things.
Speaker 5: That you should have already let out.
Speaker 4: So for me, when something bad happens, I will I
Speaker 4: will allow myself to feel that emotion in that moment.
Speaker 4: But it doesn't mean it doesn't mean I picture a
Speaker 4: tent and stay in that emotion, I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 4: I acknowledge then I'm feeling frustrated right now. Then I
Speaker 4: have to shake it off and hear my head and
Speaker 4: go sp whatever's in my cart and carry on the
Speaker 4: next one. So it's quite correct that you say, because
Speaker 4: it's a good sport to assess how people will take
Speaker 4: how people deal with things going wrong, things going right.
Speaker 5: You know, all those.
Speaker 4: Things about your character literally come out on the golf course.
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Speaker 1: In a world where fairways meet the airwaves where Murdie's
Speaker 1: and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
Speaker 1: beyond the clubhouse and onto the green, the balls and
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Speaker 1: tells the story and every part has its potchline. Get
Speaker 1: ready to step onto the last greens and dive into
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Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, you are still tuned into
Speaker 2: the hardest podcast there is in the entire world. And
Speaker 2: then this is Bows and Tease, and you are hosted
Speaker 2: by the one only Tony Tone the Magician. The boat
Speaker 2: with a lot of players, the only classic Manday is
Speaker 2: on all podcasts. Ladies and gentlemen, I am still joined
Speaker 2: here by miss Massinger, and guys, I'm having the time
Speaker 2: of my life. This conversation is eye opening to say,
Speaker 2: you know, for as much as we are out there
Speaker 2: on the golf courses, we believe that we are all macho,
Speaker 2: and we start intimidating and asking people to pass people.
Speaker 2: People go back and reflect and they'll be like, now,
Speaker 2: its these guys. They want to sop holes here because
Speaker 2: they think they can drive further than us. So Miss
Speaker 2: Massinger has actually brought there to light to say no, no, no,
Speaker 2: please do not judge a book by its cover. So
Speaker 2: we thought wasting any further time, let me welcome my
Speaker 2: gayest back up by miss Massinger. I hope you are
Speaker 2: heavy as much fun as I am today.
Speaker 5: I really am.
Speaker 4: This has been an extremely interesting conversation.
Speaker 5: To me.
Speaker 3: That I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2: And yeah, now we're going to get into some of
Speaker 2: the most difficult questions that I believe I've got in
Speaker 2: mind for you. But before we actually get into that,
Speaker 2: I mean I always put my guests on the sport
Speaker 2: to say, man, we all have momish moments on the
Speaker 2: golf course.
Speaker 3: Now I would like to.
Speaker 2: I would like to get an understanding of what momish
Speaker 2: moments have you experienced since you started playing?
Speaker 5: You know, you know.
Speaker 4: I remember playing those course right observatory now we've nicknamed
Speaker 4: it observed of a tree because that that thing is
Speaker 4: tree lined and if you're shot, if you have a
Speaker 4: slight fade or anything, when you're you're teeing or for
Speaker 4: doing anything, you are finding a tree so.
Speaker 5: Straight, dead straight. I remember there was there's a time
Speaker 5: I went.
Speaker 4: Because I like to go there just to try and
Speaker 4: make sure I'm hitting this. You know, I'm straight as
Speaker 4: an arrow.
Speaker 5: And there's a time I went there and I tee.
Speaker 4: It off and my ball observed a tree and it
Speaker 4: came right back to me.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Literally hit a brand.
Speaker 4: I don't even know where and it came right back
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 5: Is like you have.
Speaker 3: Oh that's bad. I mean, like.
Speaker 4: How what what must happen there? Like, what must you
Speaker 4: have to happen?
Speaker 3: You basically dropped the shot, I mean like.
Speaker 5: Truly, just like this is ridiculous.
Speaker 4: No, I was like, this is this is this is insanity.
Speaker 2: But but but I believe after that experience, you then realize,
Speaker 2: you know what we Without all these kind of experiences,
Speaker 2: you will never really enjoy golf. Because I'm of the
Speaker 2: view that with mistakes or with such experiences, you learn
Speaker 2: and then you work on something to improve afterwards.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's always there's always something to improve. And then
Speaker 4: the beauty or the frustration. I don't know, you're gonna
Speaker 4: take it run way there depends on how you the
Speaker 4: beauty and frustration will golf all at the same time,
Speaker 4: altogether all at once. Is when when you fix let's say,
Speaker 4: for example, your long game you try shots, then your
Speaker 4: short game decides I quit, and you're like mara.
Speaker 5: Wai, you know, or what's going?
Speaker 4: And then you fix maybe you're like, okay, let me
Speaker 4: get my chipping game on point. You fix that, and
Speaker 4: then your putty is like, nah, dog, I'm good with you,
Speaker 4: Like why, like.
Speaker 3: You know, you know. It goes back to saying the
Speaker 3: left doesn't know what the right is doing?
Speaker 4: Basically, no, Like there's very few times when everything is
Speaker 4: just working harmoniously and it's just you know, the symbiotic
Speaker 4: relationship that's just working. There's just just something you go there,
Speaker 4: and then there's something that is just not wanting to
Speaker 4: come to the party. Like so many times, going back
Speaker 4: to your question, there's so many times, like as I
Speaker 4: told you earlier, I can drive right. I'm driving two forty,
Speaker 4: and then there are times I get onto the course
Speaker 4: and this bow goes no way, like literally it lands
Speaker 4: in front of me, and I'm like, what kind of business?
Speaker 3: What just happened?
Speaker 5: Like what is this?
Speaker 4: And then I'll think a would and then and then
Speaker 4: I'll flap that thing and it will go and I'm like, matter,
Speaker 4: this is what my driver was supposed to do.
Speaker 5: Now just lost a shot.
Speaker 3: And you know, you know, I like.
Speaker 2: Your your reflection on that because it actually builds up
Speaker 2: to what I was just about to ask you to say.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, you took a leap.
Speaker 2: Of faith, if I, if I if my assumption is
Speaker 2: right to say I'm going to start a business, and
Speaker 2: in business, as you know, things will happen as they happen,
Speaker 2: especially in the beginning, to say, Okay, one day you
Speaker 2: strike a good deal and then the next day things
Speaker 2: go Soutlen Yeah, yeah, So it takes a lot of
Speaker 2: courage for someone to actually decide to say, listen, I'm
Speaker 2: going to invest, whether it's financial resources, my time, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to build.
Speaker 3: This business from the ground.
Speaker 2: Now, I would just like to get an understanding from
Speaker 2: you from a mental point of view. As a golfer,
Speaker 2: someone who's always been competitive, like you said, you've played
Speaker 2: a lot of sports, getting into a business sphere and
Speaker 2: studying something from scratch, how then do you relate the
Speaker 2: mental strength because I would presume studying a business is
Speaker 2: mentally draining because you have to figure everything out as
Speaker 2: the entrepreneur, as the owner of the business. So the
Speaker 2: same thing would apply to golf, to say, golf then
Speaker 2: becomes your business from the first t shot all.
Speaker 3: The way to the last part.
Speaker 2: Now, I just want to get your your your relation
Speaker 2: between the two to say, how how does one actually
Speaker 2: fit into the to the other, or how do you
Speaker 2: get inspiration from one to the other.
Speaker 4: So indeed, there's it takes a lot of courage or craziness,
Speaker 4: I don't know, or all of the.
Speaker 5: About to.
Speaker 4: Proceed with caution, right, yeah, you know because always from
Speaker 4: the from the outside, it looks so easy, just like
Speaker 4: with the sport of golf. From from the outside, from
Speaker 4: a person who's not actually ever touched the club, this
Speaker 4: doesn't look very complicated like us.
Speaker 5: Just like, but this sport looks super easy.
Speaker 4: Like what's so complicated about the situation?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: It looks easy enough.
Speaker 4: It's just like when you're watching or when you're viewing
Speaker 4: from the outside somebody running a business and things are
Speaker 4: going You're like, am I rely, I can do this?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? I have a dreaming it's
Speaker 5: easy enough. I can do this.
Speaker 4: And then you get into it and you experience the
Speaker 4: complexities of it, and then and and that's when you
Speaker 4: start wondering about how the how on earth are these
Speaker 4: people able to do this and sustain it, and keep
Speaker 4: saying and now, then why there's so many watering holes
Speaker 4: on a golf course, because wow, even in business, I'm
Speaker 4: just like, I've got a number of wine supplies and
Speaker 4: I'm forever calling I'm like my girl, listen.
Speaker 3: Like help out.
Speaker 5: You gotta send me a box. Because while right.
Speaker 4: I'm not condoning alcoholism, I'm just saying that a glass
Speaker 4: of wine gets me through the day. But what I
Speaker 4: appreciate with the lessons that you get on the course
Speaker 4: is one you might have a shot and it might
Speaker 4: not result in what you had envisioned it. You know,
Speaker 4: you get a shot and in your head, you know
Speaker 4: what the results is supposed to be, but things don't
Speaker 4: always happen that way, right, And then when you get
Speaker 4: to the next shot, now I have to clear your
Speaker 4: head and you have to be like, Okay, I mess
Speaker 4: that up, what happened, analyze, quickly, shake it off and
Speaker 4: get your next shot. Because if you're going to carry
Speaker 4: the mistake of what happened in your previous shot into
Speaker 4: your next you're gonna mess it up. And that applies
Speaker 4: to business so many times you make a decision, or
Speaker 4: you have something that you want to do, you have
Speaker 4: a project or an idea that you want to try
Speaker 4: out of implementing business, and it might fall flood on
Speaker 4: its face, it might not come out quite as you
Speaker 4: had envisioned. Right, But if you're gonna now carry that,
Speaker 4: I mean, you have to definitely carry the lessons. But
Speaker 4: if you're gonna carry that feeling of disappointment versus, Okay,
Speaker 4: this happened, I accept it, I take the lessons, I
Speaker 4: shake it off, and I move on, you're not gonna
Speaker 4: get anyway because then if you're gonna carry the mistakes
Speaker 4: with you and that feeling of oh my gosh, that's
Speaker 4: so messed up, and now I'm angry and now I'm
Speaker 4: feeling what, you're gonna mess up your own day. And
Speaker 4: that happens as well with business. If you're gonna carry
Speaker 4: all those emotions with you versus taking the lessons with
Speaker 4: you and shaking off the rest of the emotions, you're
Speaker 4: gonna mess up the growth potential of your business. Yes,
Speaker 4: you try something, it doesn't work, Okay, cook, that didn't
Speaker 4: work too bad? I lost money, I did whatever. When
Speaker 4: you lost time, you lost. Whatever, Great, take the lesson
Speaker 4: from that move on, same appliance with you tried something,
Speaker 4: it didn't work. Maybe you try to hit a shot
Speaker 4: with some iron, like like, now have this problem I
Speaker 4: feel I keep saying, maybe that's this African Muscile situation
Speaker 4: where I'm like, I knew I should have taken the
Speaker 4: shorter iron because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you went far over.
Speaker 3: I've just I'm just.
Speaker 5: Like, Okay, let's not do that next time, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean.
Speaker 4: Take the lesson, make you into the next and the
Speaker 4: next shot or the next opportunity for referring back to business.
Speaker 3: All right, no, awesome.
Speaker 2: I really like how you've actually explained the correlation between
Speaker 2: the two because my next question was going to be
Speaker 2: about the time. I mean, during COVID times, for instance,
Speaker 2: the travel industry was heat hard and extremely hard.
Speaker 4: It came to a standstill. There's a difference.
Speaker 2: It died, let's say, and then it needed to be resurrected. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I mean for someone who's in that space, I
Speaker 2: mean it's I think for me, your resilience is an
Speaker 2: individual And now, like you've just explained to say, listen,
Speaker 2: regardless of how bad things are, always look forward to
Speaker 2: the next move. How did you how did you actually
Speaker 2: manage to position your mind and say this is where
Speaker 2: we are at the moment, but going forward, this is
Speaker 2: how things are going to work. I mean, it's very
Speaker 2: difficult at the time because obviously your income is then
Speaker 2: depleting because there's still other business expenses that you need
Speaker 2: to upkeep. So I just want to get an idea
Speaker 2: of how how did you manage that entire situation to
Speaker 2: a point where your business didn't just survive, I mean
Speaker 2: it flourished afterwards.
Speaker 5: Here's what's interesting.
Speaker 4: Great, So I came back to South Africa ten years
Speaker 4: ago to start this dream of mine that I had,
Speaker 4: and the business plan that i'd written when I was
Speaker 4: in Europe versus the business environment that I found was
Speaker 4: in South Africa were two completely different things. I realized
Speaker 4: very quickly when I landed here. Firstly, this is back
Speaker 4: in twenty fifteen, that I had to adjust my business
Speaker 4: plan because the South African market was not ready for what.
Speaker 5: Wasn't my business plan.
Speaker 4: Okay, just simply because I was in Europe and I
Speaker 4: had based my business plan on what I had seen
Speaker 4: from being in Europe, so the perspective was skewed so
Speaker 4: then I had to. Then I decided, okay, let me
Speaker 4: let me go into the industry here and work so
Speaker 4: I can understand it from the inside and then adjust
Speaker 4: my business plan according me so that the South African
Speaker 4: market could understand it.
Speaker 5: So that's where I started. That's back in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 5: But I did that.
Speaker 4: I did my business part time at that point because
Speaker 4: I was just trying to kind of wrap my head
Speaker 4: around what's going on, and also to build and started network.
Speaker 5: If you're gonna go into business.
Speaker 4: You need a solid network, and I needed to establish
Speaker 4: that because I had never actually worked in South Africa.
Speaker 5: Then I went then COVID hit.
Speaker 4: And then that was the crazy moment that I decided
Speaker 4: to go into my business full time.
Speaker 2: So when people are panicking, you decided, no, I'm going here.
Speaker 5: Well, I wouldn't say I decided. It was Jesus decided, truly, because.
Speaker 4: Because for for a while before then, I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I was praying about it, and I'm just like, Lord,
Speaker 4: I didn't come all the way to South Africa to
Speaker 4: be working because I'm like, the salary here versus what
Speaker 4: I was getting in Spain. I'd rather just go back
Speaker 4: to Spain. I didn't come here to come and be
Speaker 4: an employee. As I said, I'm I'm a competitive person,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I don't want to climb the ladder,
Speaker 4: I want.
Speaker 5: To own it. So I was like, I didn't time
Speaker 5: me over for this, so we can just rather go back.
Speaker 4: So anyway, COVID hit twenty twenty and then October twenty
Speaker 4: twenty was still very much in prison in our houses.
Speaker 4: That's when I went into my business full time. And
Speaker 4: because I had kind of observed the industry, what I
Speaker 4: did that kind of helped propel the business and differentiated at.
Speaker 5: That point to where we are now.
Speaker 4: Is I saw a gap and an opportunity to have
Speaker 4: people travel virtually, not on pre recorded sessions, but I
Speaker 4: arranged travel experiences where people would log in on Zoom
Speaker 4: and my guide in the destination would take us for
Speaker 4: a live guided tour on zoom right where you could
Speaker 4: ask the questions as if you were standing there in
Speaker 4: front of him, and he'd walk around and show you
Speaker 4: so you could ask, oh, my gosh, cauld you go
Speaker 4: back to that, what is that?
Speaker 5: And explain. So it was very much of me showing people.
Speaker 4: Virtually, but as close as I could get it to
Speaker 4: say this is what it would be like if you
Speaker 4: actually visited this destination, and then it grew from there
Speaker 4: to my taste experiences, which you're colleague heard about, where
Speaker 4: I then bring the destination locally here in South Africa
Speaker 4: to plant the seed regarding travel. And that has been
Speaker 4: a further differentiation in my organization which I have trademarked
Speaker 4: to say, Okay, I'm going to take destination marketing or
Speaker 4: travel marketing offline because now it's frustrated with the fact
Speaker 4: that as an agent or a tour operator in the sphere,
Speaker 4: all I have at my veil to try and let
Speaker 4: a client know about a destination is a video or
Speaker 4: a photograph, and I'm like, that doesn't really depict or
Speaker 4: communicate in any way the true essence or at least
Speaker 4: an idea of what it is that it would be
Speaker 4: like to travel. So I was like, okay, how do
Speaker 4: I take this offline to give somebody an actual tangible
Speaker 4: experience as to what it truly would be like to
Speaker 4: go somewhere out.
Speaker 5: Of you know.
Speaker 4: I mean it started off with me doing a night
Speaker 4: in Paris, right, and I had I had a French model.
Speaker 4: She did the French the Paris Fashion Show and what
Speaker 4: like the catwalk model and she has a brand here
Speaker 4: did broad French cuisine brought all the French community in
Speaker 4: here to come and explain to the potential travelers as
Speaker 4: to what it is like. And then I had to
Speaker 4: travel there and then I had my guide in Paris
Speaker 4: take us around for a live walking to the streets
Speaker 4: of Paris. So things like that have truly helped differentiate
Speaker 4: myself from from other operators in a very unique way.
Speaker 4: But it's also helped to propel and expand the brand
Speaker 4: to what it is now where I saw a gap
Speaker 4: and opportunity. But it was also based on a lot
Speaker 4: of work that we do in this digital age. Is
Speaker 4: is based on digital that on digital communication with this
Speaker 4: email or WhatsApp or whatever. And I was like, guys,
Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't get into travel to talk on
Speaker 4: the phone. I want to meet people and a social person.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all about the experience. It's about the that.
Speaker 3: The scent.
Speaker 5: Bring all those elements.
Speaker 4: I mean when you talk about scent, like for example,
Speaker 4: my last experience that I did brought North Africa to how.
Speaker 3: They and I literally the.
Speaker 4: Scent I am I found a supplier who imports pure
Speaker 4: Egyptian perfume oils into South Africa. So everybody anticipated walked
Speaker 4: away with the scent of North Africa.
Speaker 5: Everybody got a perfume, you know. So it's all those
Speaker 5: little touches.
Speaker 4: Where I was like, I'm letting my creativity flow and
Speaker 4: thinking outside the box.
Speaker 5: Help break the box.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be boxed in and leave people
Speaker 4: with an experience. People remember experiences. If you are able
Speaker 4: to touch somebody's emotion, they will remember you. And also
Speaker 4: I was like, people buy it from people they like, So,
Speaker 4: how are you gonna like me if all you're doing
Speaker 4: is talking to me and what I'm like, Nah, you
Speaker 4: gotta meet me, you gotta see me and that crazy personality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like that, but I just want to
Speaker 2: find out.
Speaker 3: I mean, you deal with a lot of international science.
Speaker 2: I mean, if there's anything where the people in South
Speaker 2: Africa contact you to say listen, I'm out like you
Speaker 2: to curate a trip for me to Mexico or to Spain,
Speaker 2: for instance. People will always have misconceptions or they will
Speaker 2: always have their own ideas of what they've perhaps read
Speaker 2: about or what they have seen on TV. Now, how
Speaker 2: do you then manage that to say, listen, yes, I
Speaker 2: understand this is the information you might have received or
Speaker 2: that you might have been exposed to when it comes
Speaker 2: to this particular area or this particular location. But in
Speaker 2: essence that's not the true reflection of what is happening there,
Speaker 2: because I would believe that people's perceptions actually shape the
Speaker 2: anticipation of experience to say, okay, now, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to get there, this is what I'm going to see,
Speaker 2: and then some form of reluctancy would also develop to
Speaker 2: certain things or how do you engage them on such things.
Speaker 4: So a lot of times when I am starting to
Speaker 4: build a rapport with my clients, I will I will
Speaker 4: let them know a lot about my life in terms
Speaker 4: of my travel experience. That way, it kind of builds
Speaker 4: an understanding that when I'm advising you, as I previously said,
Speaker 4: it's not based on theoretics or you know, it's based
Speaker 4: on I'm a traveler first and I just happen to
Speaker 4: get paid to what I love.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: It literally comes down to that because for me, everywhere
Speaker 4: I go, and whether it's locally or internationally, I literally
Speaker 4: walk around with my eyes while I open there's so
Speaker 4: many things.
Speaker 5: That I'm aware of.
Speaker 4: For example, in holding where we're sitting that unfortunately not
Speaker 4: even the holding Tourism associational, because I spoke to them
Speaker 4: about a coming event and they knew nothing about this
Speaker 4: place or my previous place that I hosted an event.
Speaker 4: So it just comes down to a level of true interest.
Speaker 4: And for me, travel is a love and a passion,
Speaker 4: so I'm forever doing research and finding out what's the
Speaker 4: truth and what's this, And more often.
Speaker 5: Than not, I'll go and try.
Speaker 4: I mean, the world is big and there's a lot
Speaker 4: to see, and as an avid traveler, as soon as
Speaker 4: I take one place off, I've added five more. So
Speaker 4: it never gets finished, but I try. So my saying
Speaker 4: is if I might not have been there, but it's
Speaker 4: on my list, I get there at some point. But
Speaker 4: so what I do share with my clients is that, look,
Speaker 4: the advice that I'm giving you is coming from a
Speaker 4: traveler first, because let's be honest, you will most likely
Speaker 4: take make trouble advice from your friend who has traveled
Speaker 4: a certain destination over a travel agent.
Speaker 5: Right you.
Speaker 4: Right, your friend will say, oh, I've been to Bali
Speaker 4: and it was so nice, and I was ah. And
Speaker 4: then based across there, yes, based on that feedback, then
Speaker 4: you'll go to the travel agent and be like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, I have a friend went and it was
Speaker 4: awesome and I want to have the same experience. At
Speaker 4: that point, I don't really have input, right, You've made
Speaker 4: your decision and as time, and I never argue with that. However,
Speaker 4: what I've seen with my experience is as I talked
Speaker 4: to clients and I asked them, Okay, you've picked this destination. Why, Okay,
Speaker 4: you're this kind of a person you like onety three
Speaker 4: four five? Are you aware that perhaps you won't get.
Speaker 5: Much of that where you're going?
Speaker 4: So what what is the reason behind you picking this
Speaker 4: specific destination that you're talking to me about?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Like this, why what are
Speaker 5: you hoping to out of that experience?
Speaker 4: And then you know, once once we're engaging in the conversation,
Speaker 4: more often than out they will ask me, but like,
Speaker 4: why are you asking me all these questions? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: I'm a traveler first and then I'm an agent second.
Speaker 4: I'm like I travel all the time. Literally, So for me,
Speaker 4: as I said, I just get paid to do what
Speaker 4: I love. Anyways, so so it's coming from a space
Speaker 4: of you're talking to somebody like you're talking to a friend.
Speaker 4: And then on top of it, I have the actual
Speaker 4: expertise of the industry to back. So that's how I
Speaker 4: overcome such such situations.
Speaker 3: And I mean it.
Speaker 2: In your response you mentioned something about research that you
Speaker 2: you actually take your time in research a lot about
Speaker 2: whether it's the location, the culture.
Speaker 3: And all those things.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean research is the fundamental basics to innovation
Speaker 2: as it tends, so I want to understand. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is your space and from what you have done
Speaker 2: over the years, I mean to actually say, you know what,
Speaker 2: instead of just doing virtual tosks, let's involve a guide
Speaker 2: wherever that clients want to see and let it be
Speaker 2: an interact session that where people can actually ask. Now,
Speaker 2: within the entire African continent, where the economy within the
Speaker 2: travel industry is actually vibrant and is still growing, what
Speaker 2: innovations do you do you believe could actually improve or
Speaker 2: accelerate growth in their economy.
Speaker 4: There are a few areas, you know, when when people
Speaker 4: think travel and tourism, the first thought is either working
Speaker 4: a travel agency or restaurant or or a hotel primarily, yeah, right,
Speaker 4: those are the areas that come top of mind. And
Speaker 4: I was actually having this conversation with one of my
Speaker 4: friends and I'm like, look, I deal with a lot
Speaker 4: of international travelers, and as I said, I've traveled quite extensively.
Speaker 4: And the one area that I definitely see that we
Speaker 4: are not exploring or growing as much as we could
Speaker 4: in terms of its capacity, it's with regards to, first
Speaker 4: of all, guiding. For example, if I have a group
Speaker 4: of class in tow coming in internationally thirty forty fifty
Speaker 4: hundred to three hundred people, when I put them on
Speaker 4: a bus, the law dictates that there must be a
Speaker 4: qualified professional guide on that bus, whether or not he's
Speaker 4: actually talking to these people. They need to be on
Speaker 4: that bus, right because I've done to us where people
Speaker 4: are like, we're tired, please don't talk to us. Just
Speaker 4: it's okay, you don't need to be explaining, right The client.
Speaker 5: Will say that.
Speaker 4: Then they'll be like, nah, we're good, we're tired, and
Speaker 4: it's okay, you don't need to be explaining, no history
Speaker 4: or what we just want to rest right now. The
Speaker 4: law dictates that that person must be on that bus.
Speaker 4: That means that person must get paid whether they're talking
Speaker 4: or they're not talking. Right, true, the course to get
Speaker 4: that qualification doesn't actually cost that much and it doesn't
Speaker 4: actually take that long.
Speaker 5: But there is an underestimation.
Speaker 4: And what I've found in the industry is that you'll
Speaker 4: find that it's a lot of older people who are
Speaker 4: just keeping themselves entertained so that they don't have certain
Speaker 4: tire who are doing guiding, and yet and yet the
Speaker 4: client's one younger, especially black people. I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: make this a race issue, but for example, our country,
Speaker 4: a lot of the history is based on our on
Speaker 4: our racial history.
Speaker 5: Now I'm gonna be frank with it. And now they.
Speaker 4: Want to hear about our history from a person who has.
Speaker 5: Gone through it. But now those people are not Yes.
Speaker 4: But but now we're not on those buses telling our story,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I guess it's a lack.
Speaker 4: And then when I've been traveling, I've found if there
Speaker 4: is one country that has exploited or used its full
Speaker 4: potential with regards to travel revenue generation to its full potential,
Speaker 4: it's Indonesia Bali. Those people are ingenious, like the the
Speaker 4: the guides that you find on site, whether you're doing
Speaker 4: the bally sing. Do you know that this bully sing
Speaker 4: was just created by a guy who decided, Ish, I'm
Speaker 4: going to come up with an idea and I'm gonna
Speaker 4: have this long flowid dress and I'm gonna put a
Speaker 4: swing and people come here.
Speaker 5: And take photos.
Speaker 4: Like I mean, when you think about the logic of that,
Speaker 4: and then you think about I went there, I went
Speaker 4: to the group and the cues from a person has
Speaker 4: put a swing in some scenic spot. Just consider how
Speaker 4: many scenic spots we have in this country. I have
Speaker 4: not seen a swing. I have not seen nothing swinging
Speaker 4: in our country.
Speaker 5: Why. I'm not why?
Speaker 4: And they become expert forographers. The content that people will
Speaker 4: create for you, Like they'll take your phone and they'll
Speaker 4: create insane videos that you can literally just put up.
Speaker 5: Agree, we know our girls, okay.
Speaker 4: And I'm directing this to the women because I know
Speaker 4: that ninety of travel decisions are made by women, right,
Speaker 4: I deal with them all day.
Speaker 5: So I'm just like, I know this for a.
Speaker 4: Fact, and I'm just like Gus, there's this great gap
Speaker 4: that we are not exploiting and even basic things. When
Speaker 4: I think about our a lot of international travelers will
Speaker 4: come through and they want to see authentic life in
Speaker 4: South Africa, not Santin.
Speaker 5: I live in Santin, don't. I don't hear it on.
Speaker 4: Santain, right, But Santin is not South Africa. If you're
Speaker 4: sitting in Santin, you could be in New York. So like, no,
Speaker 4: they're like, guys, can you take us to alex for example?
Speaker 5: Right in Cape Town.
Speaker 4: They're very good where They'll take you to Kaylicha. I've
Speaker 4: taken so many international tourists to kaylie each and to wait, yeah,
Speaker 4: to go, and I want to see the vibe they
Speaker 4: want to seek us see. They want to see the
Speaker 4: township life. They want to see the authentic life that
Speaker 4: is the you know. But I'm like, but if if
Speaker 4: nobody is going to create like an itinery or experience
Speaker 4: that these people, these visitors can come and enjoy it,
Speaker 4: to come and see the truth of.
Speaker 5: What it is, then they never will.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot I mean, so it has been
Speaker 4: very good with it, right, but I'm like, there's there's
Speaker 4: a lot more potential. It's just a matter of open
Speaker 4: your eyes see what they might be, what is unique
Speaker 4: out there. I mean, people will even have sent clients
Speaker 4: on a shopping guys, they needn't. They're like, no, we
Speaker 4: want to buy African Katua and and now now somebody
Speaker 4: must take them shopping, right, So you can literally specialize anything.
Speaker 4: I mean people specialize in birds and trees and what
Speaker 4: and insects and fashion is one I've done odd tourism.
Speaker 4: There's been food tours. There's even been jazz to us, Like,
Speaker 4: do you think about what it is that you love,
Speaker 4: learn about it, become an expert in it, and you'll
Speaker 4: find a market to come and actually learn about it.
Speaker 2: Locally interesting And you know, if there's something that you've
Speaker 2: highlighted is that a lot of people would assume that
Speaker 2: international travelers would like to see the toll buildings, the.
Speaker 3: Lights, They really don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because even also South Africans when when we travel,
Speaker 2: we're like, okay, we know there's traffic lights in South Africa,
Speaker 2: there's electricity. We would travel to learn more about the culture.
Speaker 2: So if we are not exposing international travelers culture, then
Speaker 2: we're definitely feeling ourselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, because the essence of travel is to go
Speaker 4: and learn about different cultures, different ways of thinking perspective,
Speaker 4: because it helps you understand your neighbor a little better.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, you know, you become
Speaker 4: a little more tolerating of the differences because you understand
Speaker 4: that just because I feel like something must be this
Speaker 4: way doesn't mean that from your perspective that is correct. Yes,
Speaker 4: there will be a lot of similarities, but there will
Speaker 4: also be a lot of differences. And what makes life
Speaker 4: beautiful is all the differences that exist between us. But now,
Speaker 4: if we're not going to go and confidently communicate that,
Speaker 4: then we are feeling.
Speaker 2: Ourselves true, true, one hundred percent. I take full note
Speaker 2: of that, mis Massinger, and sure you know, I've had
Speaker 2: so much fun chatting to you that we actually miss
Speaker 2: time and it's unfortunate that we have reached the end
Speaker 2: of our engagement. Hopefully we can do a part two
Speaker 2: today because I really really want to get more insights
Speaker 2: as to how can we improve especially the travel space
Speaker 2: within South Africa, because I believe that it is completely
Speaker 2: underrated and it is not fully exploited or fully taken
Speaker 2: advantage of.
Speaker 3: So it's just it's.
Speaker 4: Underrated, because I mean, Cape Town is voth of the
Speaker 4: best city in the world, but keep Town is like
Speaker 4: a mini Europe.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's not application.
Speaker 4: So I'm just like literally literally is like a little
Speaker 4: piece of Europe that sits here at the bottom of Africa.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, awesome stuff.
Speaker 2: But with that being said, MSMs Singer, I really really
Speaker 2: want to acknowledge and appreciate the time that you've taken
Speaker 2: to join us today and the insights that you've actually
Speaker 2: given myself and our audience. I believe that people are
Speaker 2: still glued to the devices right now to say, sure
Speaker 2: they didn't understand the correlation between travel and golf in
Speaker 2: the way that you actually understand it, and obviously the
Speaker 2: economics of it as to say, how can we be
Speaker 2: more innovative to ensure that you capitalize in what you do.
Speaker 2: So we really really appreciate that and I look forward
Speaker 2: to more engagements. Like I said, if there's any possibilities
Speaker 2: of doing a part two of this, I would be
Speaker 2: more than thrilled to participate in it.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, hopefully this time around it will be.
Speaker 2: On video and it won't be via social media.
Speaker 3: We will be on video on a golf course.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not a golf course so they can see me.
Speaker 6: I'll drive you put myself under pressure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because apparently I'm a long hitter. A lot of
Speaker 2: people who've played with me will say, hey, this this
Speaker 2: young man hits the ball so hot, although I do
Speaker 2: not see that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think it'll be It'll be wonderful to
Speaker 4: do this again. But thank you Tony for having for
Speaker 4: having me this evening. Thanks for bols and tease. I
Speaker 4: think it's been a it's been a wonderful overlap of time.
Speaker 4: It's been a very enjoyable conversation on my part as well.
Speaker 5: It's been it's been great fun.
Speaker 3: No, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2: And now please do continue bringing more people into golf,
Speaker 2: because the more the maria and then let's let's let's
Speaker 2: continue building this environment for social golfers. Let's continue sharing
Speaker 2: business knowledge in all different aspects from all different industries.
Speaker 2: So we really really appreciate your inputs as well as
Speaker 2: your contribution to the travel space in South Africa and
Speaker 2: internationally as a whole, because I like the fact that
Speaker 2: you are taking South Africa and Africa out of Africa
Speaker 2: to the people. Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, mss Singer.
Speaker 2: Once again, thank you and you must have yourself a
Speaker 2: beautiful evening. Further, we shall engage like I said, the
Speaker 2: next episode will be video live on the golf course.
Speaker 5: Yes, I will take you up on that.
Speaker 4: Have a great evening, everyone, and thank you so much
Speaker 4: for your time.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
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