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<v Speaker 1>In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Birdie's

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<v Speaker 1>and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls

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<v Speaker 1>and Teas, your passport to the golfing universe, where every

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<v Speaker 1>swing tells the story and every part has its punchline.

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<v Speaker 1>Get ready to step onto the last screens and dive

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<v Speaker 1>into the world of diveds, drives and delightful better the Magician.

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<v Speaker 2>Alright, alright, ladies and gentlemen, it is the one and

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<v Speaker 2>only Balls and Teas podcast that you know. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the freshest place to be. There is no other like

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<v Speaker 2>this one. And as for me, you know I am

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<v Speaker 2>the one and only Tony Tone, the Magician, the ball

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of flair.

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<v Speaker 3>I am a classic man.

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<v Speaker 2>For those who have been with us since the Get

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<v Speaker 2>Go Listen, there's a season two. This is our second

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<v Speaker 2>episode and it's always begging, as you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But for those two just joined us along the way,

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<v Speaker 3>let me just tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Will never ever want to listen to anything again once

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<v Speaker 2>we're done with this episode, because you'll want more.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll be doing an on care saying Tony told to

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<v Speaker 3>Tony Tone.

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<v Speaker 2>But ladies and gentlemen, just to give you the flow

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<v Speaker 2>of the of the program is that the first five minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want you to find yourself at comfortable spot.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're driving, please please, and requesting rather go to

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<v Speaker 2>the nearest garage, part there for an hour and listen

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<v Speaker 2>to me, because I don't want you to get all

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<v Speaker 2>excited on the road and start disturbing other drivers nearby.

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<v Speaker 3>Because this show is about.

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<v Speaker 2>Content that's relative, that's relevant to you as an individual

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<v Speaker 2>who plays golf, who likes camaraderie, who likes networking, and

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<v Speaker 2>for the best of all, who likes the one and

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<v Speaker 2>only tone.

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<v Speaker 3>So, ladies and gentlemen, I am going.

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<v Speaker 2>To ask you to get yourself settled, get yourself ice,

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<v Speaker 2>cold water. Let it be today we're doing ten liters.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not five litters, although in Pretoria it is a

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<v Speaker 2>bit nippy. I just want you to cool yourself down

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<v Speaker 2>because this show is the hardest that you've ever had.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're gonna take a.

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<v Speaker 2>Two minute break, and then when we come back, I

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<v Speaker 2>will be introducing you to our work guest and.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you just once today's guest, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>put you in a high She's got a beautiful sound,

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<v Speaker 2>she's got the energy.

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<v Speaker 3>And she told me of record that she's ready for tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>So I hope you will be as excited as she

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<v Speaker 2>is when we come back.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take that two min the break. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>In the world where fairways meet the airwaves were Berdiees

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<v Speaker 1>and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls

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<v Speaker 1>and Teas, your passport to the golfing universe where every

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<v Speaker 1>Get ready to step onto the large screens and dive

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<v Speaker 1>into the world of divens drives and delightful better the Magician.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, this is the one and only Tony

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<v Speaker 2>Tone the Magician, and you are tuned in to Balls

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<v Speaker 2>and Teas, the only social golf podcast that covers every

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<v Speaker 2>single corner of the world.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking international spaces. That's where we at.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you hear of anyone calling themselves Tony, turn

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<v Speaker 2>the Magician, but it isn't me.

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<v Speaker 3>I tell me I will take.

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<v Speaker 2>Them somewhere somewhere, very very very very crucial but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>ladies and gentlemen, I promise you at hot show, I

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<v Speaker 2>promised you a lot of vibes. I promised you and

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<v Speaker 2>energetic and energetic guests. So if you can just allow

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<v Speaker 2>me the owners to introduce the one and only founder

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<v Speaker 2>and director of Marula Escapes.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, now my singer, miss, my singer, how do you do?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing very well? Thank you, my Lang good in

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<v Speaker 4>talk Gooden opened when as not chess when I startlist

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<v Speaker 4>and you said that we're global.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, for a moment I thought you were stattering,

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<v Speaker 2>but if it was great things you need to teach me.

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<v Speaker 5>I speak Spanish and some German.

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<v Speaker 2>I today I will be your student. So well, Miss Pasinga.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to introduce you in the best possible men,

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<v Speaker 2>and that I could from my side, but I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that it would only be fair to give you the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to reintroduce yourself properly. Tell our audience who exactly

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<v Speaker 2>is now my singer and who's my Rula Luxury Escapes.

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<v Speaker 3>And for the most we.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we should talk about golf because there's a golf podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just want to understand your journey into this

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<v Speaker 2>space and how did you find yourself being in love

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<v Speaker 2>with the spot, So let me pass the mind to

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<v Speaker 2>you and then you can just let the audience know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly who you are, all right.

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<v Speaker 4>So now my singer, I am the founder and director

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<v Speaker 4>of Marula Escapes. We curate travel around the world, so

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<v Speaker 4>it literally comes down to my clients dream it and

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<v Speaker 4>wave a magic wand and.

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<v Speaker 5>Make it happen.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's quite an exciting journey because each travel experience

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<v Speaker 4>that we'll put together is as unique to the client

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<v Speaker 4>as their fingerprints, so no two trips are ever.

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<v Speaker 5>Really the same.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we we we travel for for various reasons,

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<v Speaker 4>and for me, it was important with the brand to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to have travel return its investment for each

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<v Speaker 4>individual and hence why we curate travels. So we don't

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<v Speaker 4>We don't have predesigned packages except except if we're if

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<v Speaker 4>we're doing like a golf tour or something like that that's.

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<v Speaker 5>Pre planned that I joined.

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<v Speaker 4>But as a general we design every experience from zero

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<v Speaker 4>for each client based on their needs, their necessarity, their necessities,

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<v Speaker 4>their interests.

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<v Speaker 5>Et cetera. So that's us in a nutshell, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much. Trying to sum it up.

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<v Speaker 4>And how I got into golf, guys, Nay, you see

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<v Speaker 4>now mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 5>But when.

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<v Speaker 4>This golf thing, right it all the journey started around COVID.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was the around the first moments when

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<v Speaker 4>we're allowed out of our houses and we're actually allowed

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<v Speaker 4>to get some from some fresh air. So I a client,

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<v Speaker 4>my husband's client for some odd reason, Lord only knows

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<v Speaker 4>why gave us clubs. I think we had gone to

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<v Speaker 4>the driving range because one of our friends is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>you should come and try this thing called golf. And

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<v Speaker 4>honestly I hated it at first.

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<v Speaker 3>I like your honesty because a lot of people would

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<v Speaker 3>say no, I lost it from.

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<v Speaker 2>The for you to tell me the truth that now

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like this because I liked me.

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<v Speaker 5>No sense to me.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just like, why on earth people out and

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<v Speaker 4>spend hours on the course a stick and and trying

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<v Speaker 4>to hit this tiny ball and chasing it around.

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<v Speaker 5>For hours on end. Like I'm just like, please.

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<v Speaker 4>Somebody make it make sense, right, because I like my

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<v Speaker 4>whole my whole life, I've been into sports. I've been

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<v Speaker 4>either an athlete where I was doing nitball or you know,

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<v Speaker 4>something biggerous, and I'm like, but guys like like golf.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just you know, it wasn't making sense. Let me

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<v Speaker 4>be honest, I'm just like, I ain't even breaking a sweat,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I love how can they called us a

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<v Speaker 4>sport when I am not sweating? Like, I wasn't understanding it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also very super frustrating when you're just starting because

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<v Speaker 4>to to get that connection right with the ball, especially

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a very competitive person. So yeah, so it was, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it was just not working out well.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, so we went, we went.

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<v Speaker 4>To the driving range and now we're trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>understand this, this world of golf. We went a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of times and then my husband's client was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I've got clubs at home that are just occupying space.

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<v Speaker 5>You guys should have them.

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<v Speaker 4>So we were given a set of clubs, very nice

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, as I later learned. But but that's

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<v Speaker 4>how we got into golf. And but now, what really

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<v Speaker 4>propelled me as as as a woman, to get into

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<v Speaker 4>it was realizing I'm just like Marie, you know, guy

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<v Speaker 4>goes out the entire day. My whole Sunday, I'm left alone,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, this is not cool. Now, it was

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<v Speaker 4>really selfish. I'm not even gonna lie. It was very

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<v Speaker 4>selfish because I'm like, hip, this person tells me he's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna play golf, and he lives in the morning, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and now he comes back in the evening like after dinner.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like to how long does the sport takes? It

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<v Speaker 4>taking the whole day?

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<v Speaker 5>So then I was like, no, I need to.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of learn and understand this, And that's how I

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<v Speaker 4>got in it. It was just like what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>my husband works very long hours, and I'm like, but

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<v Speaker 4>now the weekends that were supposed to be spending together,

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<v Speaker 4>you're out on the gold.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course it needs the entire day.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm like, okay, so if this is what it is,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm going to learn these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Behind yeah, And I mean, just to just to put

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<v Speaker 2>this out bit, like you said, how long does it

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<v Speaker 2>take to take you to play a round of golf?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean a round of golf in true honesty,

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<v Speaker 4>is supposed to take you four or five hours max.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, But now the.

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<v Speaker 4>Problem if you're sitting at home and you're waiting for somebody,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a problem. The problem is the nineteenth hole.

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<v Speaker 5>You see, that nineteenth hole is where it was beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we will get there and now it's a good

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<v Speaker 4>time and they're catching up and they're talking about all

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<v Speaker 4>these stats, and the drinks are flow and the tournaments

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<v Speaker 4>are another problem because yeah, then these drinks all over

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<v Speaker 4>the place. But the main issue is the main issue

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<v Speaker 4>is that nineteenth hole, because then people get there and

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<v Speaker 4>and I mean it's great.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I'm in it now, so I understand it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great for the networking where you get to chat

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<v Speaker 4>and whatnot and you meet all these different people you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you're sharing you have a common interest, which

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<v Speaker 4>is a sport, and all the frustrations that come with it.

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<v Speaker 4>And now all of a sudden, what was supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, so, yeah, how did we get it?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? And so I needed to understand.

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<v Speaker 4>Because the excuse is no, you know, love we did.

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<v Speaker 5>I did a round of golf. Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 4>And then he tell me all these things that I

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<v Speaker 4>don't understand, you know, all these golf terminologies, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was just like, okay, I feel like a blonde right

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<v Speaker 4>now because.

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<v Speaker 5>This is just not making sense.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I'm like, okay, but you tell me that

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<v Speaker 4>this round takes four to five hours, but I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like you've spent the entire day.

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<v Speaker 5>So when did the rest of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened to the expo six hours?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm just like, what happened to the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>there's no better teacher than experience. Or for you to

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<v Speaker 2>hoop up till now, then I'm happy because at least

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<v Speaker 2>you took a decision. A lot of people, like like

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<v Speaker 3>You were like, this is lame, this is not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>But once you got to understand the space or should

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<v Speaker 2>I say the environment and the comraderick around the spot,

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<v Speaker 5>My guy, the bag took over, Like.

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<v Speaker 5>This is lame. I hate it too.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm playing more golf than my husband and now I'm

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, got all beguns.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, now I've been told that it's not

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<v Speaker 5>It's about letting this club do what it does best.

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<v Speaker 4>So all right, So I was like, I'm gonna make

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<v Speaker 5>Nature comes out.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was like, I'm gonna go to the driving

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<v Speaker 4>that i can drive properly. Because as a woman, to

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<v Speaker 4>be honest, on the golf course, the most frustrating thing,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'll get to the second part of my statement

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<v Speaker 4>just now, the most frustrating thing is that when you

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<v Speaker 4>seen this multiple times, immediately the guys are like, oh

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<v Speaker 4>my god, she's gonna slow down the course, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>my god, you know nothing about make an.

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<v Speaker 3>An assumption.

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<v Speaker 5>Because as soon as.

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<v Speaker 4>Like me and my girls get on the course, the guys.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, guys, can we can we go through?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like my guy, first of all, if you can

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<v Speaker 5>But then.

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<v Speaker 2>Just just off record, miss my singer. You know you're

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then your husband will will have to forgive me

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<v Speaker 2>for asking this question. Have you are driven him?

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<v Speaker 5>I have?

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<v Speaker 3>And how do you take it? How do you take now?

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<v Speaker 6>Then he went to then he went to the gym

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<v Speaker 6>and went to practice and night, and now he has

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<v Speaker 6>driven me slightly more, but.

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<v Speaker 3>At least you're keeping him on.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was the first to break two hundred in

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<v Speaker 4>the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, right, mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 5>And this pissed him off.

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<v Speaker 3>He was not happy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was struggling for some odd reason to break

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<v Speaker 4>two hundred and then here I was consistently breaking it.

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<v Speaker 5>And then so then he went and fixed the situation.

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<v Speaker 4>So last weekend when we played he hit two sixty,

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, okay, I think my longest drive

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<v Speaker 4>is like to.

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<v Speaker 5>To forty. So I'm like, okay, it's twenty meters.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm long.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I'm gonna go.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna give you one week.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm like I'm coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, you know know,

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<v Speaker 2>if anything in golf, lets let men be men. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll always try to exercise our masculinity around the gold course,

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<v Speaker 2>especially on the tea box.

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<v Speaker 5>I know.

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<v Speaker 4>But as I said, because of the immediate underestimation, if

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<v Speaker 4>I can call it like that that I receive as

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<v Speaker 4>a woman on the golf course, mm hm, I make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that I'm going to drive you, you know, just just

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<v Speaker 4>to just so the demands sit down and just.

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<v Speaker 3>Just to brew someone's ego.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, because I'm just like, you can't just come.

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<v Speaker 5>And assume yeah yeah, I'm like, hy no, no, let's

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<v Speaker 5>let's do this then. Okay, so that's my thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But as I said, I am super competitive.

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<v Speaker 3>So mhmm, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean I always say as a competitive individual,

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<v Speaker 2>it should actually flow into positive aspects of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>And speaking of which, I mean, you're an entrepreneur, you

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<v Speaker 2>run your own business. Now, I just want to find

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<v Speaker 2>out from your end with regards to this spot that

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<v Speaker 2>you loved so much, how then do you integrate it

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<v Speaker 2>into your everyday life when it comes to business.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'm gonna answer that question in two parts because

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<v Speaker 4>remember earlier I said there were two parts with my

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<v Speaker 4>journey with me, right, So one was I need to

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<v Speaker 4>beat my husband and our drive.

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<v Speaker 3>Him and I hope he's not listening it, no, but.

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<v Speaker 5>He knows it very well. I'm very I'm a very

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<v Speaker 5>honest persons. I told him it's not.

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<v Speaker 4>But then the second part of it that I going

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<v Speaker 4>back to the issue of as a woman going onto

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<v Speaker 4>the golf course, there is these assumptions that I made,

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<v Speaker 4>and and and and unfortunately there's a lot of bullying

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<v Speaker 4>that happens when you're a woman on the course, as

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<v Speaker 4>I said, because people automatically assume you're the one slowing

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<v Speaker 4>down the course, and yet that's not necessarily the case.

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<v Speaker 5>And and and it.

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<v Speaker 4>Gets frustrating, especially as a beginner, because those who are

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<v Speaker 4>more experienced do tend I'll use bully, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's a lighter word, but English is depleted

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<v Speaker 4>right now. So so because I wanted to get more

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<v Speaker 4>women into the sport, but but for them not to

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<v Speaker 4>have to go through what I went through. A friend

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<v Speaker 4>of mine, and I started a Ladies club specifically for

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<v Speaker 4>beginners to you know, get them used to let educate

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<v Speaker 4>the rules, you know, get them onto the course without

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<v Speaker 4>all the intimidation factors because there's powering numbers. So I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you can bully one four ball, but you can't bully

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<v Speaker 4>us if we're five four balls, because you can get

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<v Speaker 4>through me, but then you have to get through fourmals.

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<v Speaker 4>So we started a club that went from just us

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<v Speaker 4>to like one hundred and fifty in joe Burg in

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<v Speaker 4>like Tea, which is amazing speak.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, especially.

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<v Speaker 4>Especially for such a short time frame. But but it

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<v Speaker 4>showed us that there's a need for something like this

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<v Speaker 4>where you know, people are being introduced to to the

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<v Speaker 4>sport in a in a safe environment. And because us ladies,

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<v Speaker 4>the way we golf is very different from guys. But

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<v Speaker 4>the ladies is about the outfits. As I learned, they

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<v Speaker 4>want to look cute. They yeah, they're like, okay, but

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<v Speaker 4>what's the color fee? And I'm just I'm not that person.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was like, oh my goodness, this is this

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<v Speaker 5>other world that I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Not used to.

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<v Speaker 4>And then it must have little stops and photo moments,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm just like, Okay, this is ladies and this

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<v Speaker 4>is what they love and if this is what it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to take to get them on the course, then

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<v Speaker 4>final let them wear they cute outfits. So then we

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<v Speaker 4>had I had to adapt. I'm like, okay, right, how

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<v Speaker 4>now this translated into the business is stemming off of running,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and and being active in this ladies group

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<v Speaker 4>for like two years.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, but what I do is travel.

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<v Speaker 4>And if there's one thing that Gold does very well

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<v Speaker 4>is because as a golfer, you're always wanting to experience

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<v Speaker 4>new golf courses to challenge yourself. Right, Golfers often travel, right,

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<v Speaker 4>You're always moving somewhere to go and see something, and

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<v Speaker 4>we always want those and those beautiful places, And to

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<v Speaker 4>be honest, golf courses are generally in some of the

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<v Speaker 4>most beautiful places well, right, So it ties in very

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<v Speaker 4>well with what I do anyway, because I love beautiful places.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was like, these two things actually make sense.

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<v Speaker 3>For me together.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's a perfect synergy.

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<v Speaker 4>So this year was when I was like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 4>I should actually incorporate golf and golf tours into my business,

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<v Speaker 4>seeing that I have access to this market right now,

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<v Speaker 4>with these one hundred and fifty ladies. This is my

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to now show case is what I can do

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<v Speaker 4>for them in this specific market, which is the golfers.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, and then that's what it did. And then

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<v Speaker 4>we went off to Mauritius.

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<v Speaker 5>Done. Yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I didn't know you love golf that much.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, as I.

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<v Speaker 4>Said, I love beautiful places.

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<v Speaker 3>So the two just.

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<v Speaker 4>Max if there are a couple of things that I

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<v Speaker 4>love is beautiful places, incredible food, and it tings me

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<v Speaker 4>to all these, to all of the above, like I'm

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<v Speaker 4>just like golf, and Mauritius was breathtaking those courses. The

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<v Speaker 4>scenery thing is just mind blowing. And then stepping off

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<v Speaker 4>of that, I get it now. Words spread around this

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<v Speaker 4>golf community. People talk, and now next year we're going

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<v Speaker 4>off to Thailand because people are like, hey, we're here now,

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<v Speaker 4>so let's go.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be in your luggage back.

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<v Speaker 5>You should come along. Yeah. So that's how the two

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<v Speaker 3>Mhmm.

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<v Speaker 2>And I like, you know, you've just put something into

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<v Speaker 2>perspective to say, listen, you like beautiful places, you like

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<v Speaker 2>great food, and you love gods. So golf has somehow

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<v Speaker 2>become a mending world between the beautiful experience from a

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<v Speaker 2>culinary paint of view as well as the hospitality side

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<v Speaker 2>of things.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was just it kind of became a very

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<v Speaker 4>natural extension of what it is that I already do.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, my clients know me to curate all these

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful experiences, and now I can add golf to that

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<v Speaker 4>and not and not from a theoretical aspect, but from

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<v Speaker 4>a very practical aspect where I'm an actual golfer, So

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<v Speaker 4>I will consider things that you won't really learn from

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<v Speaker 4>my textwork. I mean, it's just like with what I

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<v Speaker 4>do with regards to travel.

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<v Speaker 5>I've lived abroad for.

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<v Speaker 4>Over twelve years and I've traveled extensively, So when I

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<v Speaker 4>put together in that ginery, it's not based on theoretics.

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<v Speaker 4>It's based on what would I do if I was

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<v Speaker 4>in your shoes and I was doing this trip because

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<v Speaker 4>I've extensively traveled. So yeah, it's very practical kind of

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<v Speaker 4>inputs that that I provide.

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<v Speaker 3>Awesome stuff now just to find out something.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, like you mentioned, you deal with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of different people obviously with different needs, and you

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<v Speaker 2>try to curate the trips specifically for each one.

431
00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:52.400
<v Speaker 3>Of them. Now, Obviously.

432
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:57.759
<v Speaker 2>People like certain experiences and what works for me you

433
00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:00.519
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't work for the next person. So I just find

434
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:03.319
<v Speaker 2>out from your side, what would you say has been

435
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:06.640
<v Speaker 2>like the most outrageous request a client of yours has

436
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:09.200
<v Speaker 2>made with regards to a.

437
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:10.319
<v Speaker 3>Place that has.

438
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Beautiful landscapes, beautiful experiences as well as good golf.

439
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:24.039
<v Speaker 4>Like I get a lot of crazy stuff, you know,

440
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:31.240
<v Speaker 4>as as golfers, right, what averyods in in these few

441
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:37.720
<v Speaker 4>years that I've been playing. Yeah, golfers love to learn

442
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:43.559
<v Speaker 4>from the pros now because I'm pretty good at waving

443
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.920
<v Speaker 4>a wand and making things happen. You'll find that a

444
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.880
<v Speaker 4>person will be like, hey, now you know, I saw

445
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:56.480
<v Speaker 4>this guy on TV. He lives in this country and

446
00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:58.559
<v Speaker 4>I'd love to meet him. I'm like, but my god,

447
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:04.680
<v Speaker 4>I feel like I know everybody.

448
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Just like.

449
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:12.039
<v Speaker 4>And make it like I would love to have a

450
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 4>golf game with like a pro golfer, And I'm like.

451
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:22.359
<v Speaker 5>You, I'm just like, I'm like, you.

452
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:24.240
<v Speaker 4>Know, I'm pretty sure I can pull it out of

453
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:27.839
<v Speaker 4>a hat, perhaps, but wow, it's gonna take a whole

454
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 4>lot of zeros for me to do.

455
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:34.799
<v Speaker 3>Like you have to make mountains move.

456
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 4>For the proper, because I'm just like, where do I

457
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:48.480
<v Speaker 4>even begin. Yeah, people really don't want to meet the proofs,

458
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 4>like the like the big boys that we watch on TV.

459
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:53.440
<v Speaker 4>So I'm like, if anybody is out there listening, they

460
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:54.200
<v Speaker 4>should give me a call.

461
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.799
<v Speaker 3>So okay, I mean.

462
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean I mean with that being said,

463
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.279
<v Speaker 2>obviously you would get reviews and feedback from your clients,

464
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 2>and based on that, you'd also be able to have

465
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:20.720
<v Speaker 2>confidence when making or meeting other requests in future.

466
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.359
<v Speaker 3>So I just want to find out you.

467
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Play golf, your clients play golf, and you've played golf

468
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>in South Africa, like you mentioned, You've just recently played

469
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:35.119
<v Speaker 2>in Mauritius. Now, I just want to get an idea

470
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.839
<v Speaker 2>from you to say, amongst other golf courses that you've

471
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.960
<v Speaker 2>played it, whether alone, whether with your clients, whether with

472
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>your friends and family, which of the golf courses or yeah,

473
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 2>which of the golf courses which you think are underrated

474
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:54.079
<v Speaker 2>or they're not getting the shine that they actually deserve

475
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.720
<v Speaker 2>according to you and your experience around that golf course.

476
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 4>Honestly, I would I would say I'm going to keep

477
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:12.359
<v Speaker 4>it local, right because South Africa is We've got.

478
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 5>A very.

479
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:21.440
<v Speaker 4>Extensive list of courses around the country. I feel like,

480
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:27.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, when when golfers want to go around, the

481
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:32.480
<v Speaker 4>general inclination is to either do like a Safari course,

482
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.240
<v Speaker 4>like now you're going to do the Langa side. Definitely,

483
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:42.799
<v Speaker 4>the the Western Cape in all its beauty and splendor, right,

484
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:46.599
<v Speaker 4>those are those, those are all the very well known ones.

485
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:52.599
<v Speaker 5>Right. However, the Wild Coast, I feel like is very underrated.

486
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:57.559
<v Speaker 4>There's beautiful courses there, and it's just a region that

487
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:05.720
<v Speaker 4>is overlooked in general. It's just generally, irrespective of whether

488
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.480
<v Speaker 4>this has to do with golf or whatever, I just

489
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.079
<v Speaker 4>I just feel like that area of our country is

490
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:19.160
<v Speaker 4>is quite quite overlooked, and and and it and and

491
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.519
<v Speaker 4>and yet they have incredible places there, you know, in

492
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 4>the Eastern Cape. So for me that that would be

493
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.359
<v Speaker 4>definitely one I haven't. I haven't played in the case

494
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:33.359
<v Speaker 4>that n I don't even to be honest, I'm not

495
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.839
<v Speaker 4>even aware they have a golf course.

496
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 5>I think I'm being brutally honest.

497
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 3>Wow, I do a number of things, and the.

498
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:45.039
<v Speaker 5>Kids that end golfer is not one.

499
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:50.400
<v Speaker 4>So perhaps the next time I go there, I'll find

500
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:51.160
<v Speaker 4>a golf course.

501
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 5>I think.

502
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:56.200
<v Speaker 4>I haven't actually golfed in the case that end, so

503
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:58.720
<v Speaker 4>for me, I don't have a reference point there.

504
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:00.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

505
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:03.839
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean if you're talking the Wild Coast, if

506
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:05.839
<v Speaker 2>you were to go to cast and the Wild Coast

507
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Wild Coasts on golf cost it's quite a golf course

508
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:12.160
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of professional tournaments have taken place there.

509
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:17.279
<v Speaker 2>There's same year I haven't played them. Yeah, but it's

510
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:22.400
<v Speaker 2>a nice environment. The weather they is always accommodating to

511
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.799
<v Speaker 2>golf golferst because it's never really too hot.

512
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:26.359
<v Speaker 3>It's just always.

513
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:30.279
<v Speaker 2>Humid and there's there's always a bridge, so maybe try it,

514
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.720
<v Speaker 2>try it next time. But when you're talking Western Cape,

515
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.720
<v Speaker 2>it's a difficult environment to play, but the courses are beautiful.

516
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:38.480
<v Speaker 3>There's just a lot of wind.

517
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but that's just Cape Town in general. I mean

518
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 4>it's just moody, like you just never know where you're

519
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:49.559
<v Speaker 4>gonna get.

520
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.240
<v Speaker 3>Now, now, let's let's talk about.

521
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.359
<v Speaker 2>Business and golf, right, I mean, you you are in

522
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.720
<v Speaker 2>that space on a daily base, and your clients are

523
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I would presume that some of them would travel for

524
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.599
<v Speaker 2>business rather than leisure as well, and obviously with the

525
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 2>intent of securing other business opportunities. Now from your from

526
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:21.440
<v Speaker 2>your own perspective, if you were to look at what

527
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.960
<v Speaker 2>God can actually do for people in the business space,

528
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 2>how would you explain it or how would you advocate

529
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.880
<v Speaker 2>for more entrepreneurs or self employee people to actually get

530
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:33.519
<v Speaker 2>into the space.

531
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:38.640
<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm again going to be brutally honest, right,

532
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:46.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, I've heard it said so many times that

533
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:53.519
<v Speaker 4>both is a great place to network, right Yeah, But

534
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:59.000
<v Speaker 4>I must say that in the female environment that I

535
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 4>was in, I didn't really see much of that in

536
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:06.480
<v Speaker 4>terms of the networking turning into business. However, I must

537
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 4>say mm hmm that once or as I play with

538
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 4>my male counterparts, there's definitely a lot more networking and

539
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:18.679
<v Speaker 4>I can see and understand.

540
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:23.480
<v Speaker 5>And then when I when I went through to.

541
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:29.400
<v Speaker 4>The golf tournament last Friday where I was now I'm

542
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:36.800
<v Speaker 4>hosting a hole, I then saw in and in true capacity,

543
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:41.360
<v Speaker 4>the truth of what the power of the sport can

544
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 4>do in terms of getting you out there, getting you

545
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:49.440
<v Speaker 4>in front of the right people, getting you the business opportunities.

546
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.559
<v Speaker 4>It it's it's it's quite a powerful tool, especially if

547
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:58.119
<v Speaker 4>you I mean it's it's it's good to be manning

548
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.079
<v Speaker 4>a hole, but if you actually on stand the sport.

549
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:05.320
<v Speaker 4>It gives you that much more leverage because as I'm

550
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:10.159
<v Speaker 4>talking to the golfers, I can talk and relate. Like

551
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:13.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, when a golfers like when I ask you, oh,

552
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.119
<v Speaker 4>how are you doing, how's the golf going, and you're like, oh,

553
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:19.039
<v Speaker 4>my gosh, I'm like, oh, golf is golfing. It's because

554
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:25.440
<v Speaker 4>I understand that one moment, Yeah, I understand that one

555
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:27.760
<v Speaker 4>moment you've hit your best shot, and then the second

556
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:29.079
<v Speaker 4>shot was like.

557
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:30.840
<v Speaker 5>Nah, dog, what are you doing? You know what I mean?

558
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:35.360
<v Speaker 5>And how frustrating that is? Where you're like, what happened?

559
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.239
<v Speaker 3>So when when a golfers.

560
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.639
<v Speaker 4>Says that to me, I can relate, and I feel

561
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:46.440
<v Speaker 4>like relativity. If you can relate to somebody and understand them,

562
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:51.679
<v Speaker 4>you're able to build that rapport much better because you

563
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:56.639
<v Speaker 4>are understanding truly where it is that they're coming from.

564
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 4>So and and then the other aspect that I find

565
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 4>it important. And I was explaining this to my friend

566
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:06.800
<v Speaker 4>the other day and I'm like, you know what, since

567
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:11.000
<v Speaker 4>I started playing golf, I've understood why a lot of

568
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:13.840
<v Speaker 4>your senior executives and these these you know, these big

569
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.360
<v Speaker 4>deals I could they always say big deals happen on

570
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:21.000
<v Speaker 4>the golf course. I understood why once I played golf,

571
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:28.800
<v Speaker 4>because I'm like, the sport requires understand integrity when it comes,

572
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.840
<v Speaker 4>for example, to the scoring, because it literally there's no

573
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:38.920
<v Speaker 4>ref right, So it's a good it's a good space

574
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:42.320
<v Speaker 4>to be there, and starts out a person regarding their

575
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 4>level of integrity, like are you going to be here

576
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:44.880
<v Speaker 4>lying to me?

577
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:46.559
<v Speaker 5>And then you want to sign a deal with me?

578
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.559
<v Speaker 4>Because now I've seen you lie on your scorecards, so

579
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:53.760
<v Speaker 4>now putting into question your level of integrity and can

580
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:57.679
<v Speaker 4>I trust you? So when I saw this and I

581
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:01.920
<v Speaker 4>learned this about golf, I'm like, oh, oh, this is

582
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:06.400
<v Speaker 4>why these guys come to the golf to suss out there,

583
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:09.599
<v Speaker 4>to suss you out before the signs a big deal.

584
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, a lot of people would say that whatever

585
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:21.239
<v Speaker 2>you do in the world, do not mess with people's money.

586
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's the reason people would actually go

587
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.280
<v Speaker 2>onto the golf course just to see your character, to see, okay,

588
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:32.119
<v Speaker 2>is this person worthy enough for me to actually conduct

589
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:35.840
<v Speaker 2>business with? And uh, just to see what happens to

590
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.880
<v Speaker 2>you under pressure as well, because remember you get those

591
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.280
<v Speaker 2>good shots, those bad shots, and then your reaction will

592
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:43.400
<v Speaker 2>determine a lot about you.

593
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.760
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, are you gonna be there, You're gonna be breaking

594
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.239
<v Speaker 4>your clubs and you know, having a whole hissy fits

595
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.400
<v Speaker 4>or are you gonna Are you gonna breathe and shake

596
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 4>it off and carry on and try and fix it

597
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:57.639
<v Speaker 4>and correct it.

598
00:37:57.880 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I'm a girl.

599
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:05.199
<v Speaker 4>Okay again, there's I will not There are differences, right

600
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.079
<v Speaker 4>because I've seen it when I play with my husband,

601
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:13.920
<v Speaker 4>when I get a bad shot, I will literally scream

602
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.159
<v Speaker 4>it out like I'm just like, can I just get

603
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:21.559
<v Speaker 4>out of my system right? Not because I Am trying

604
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 4>to be an emotional being or whatever, but I'd rather

605
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 4>just get it out right, whereas men, y'all internally everything yep. Yeah,

606
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.199
<v Speaker 4>And this is why you guys get strokes because you're

607
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 4>not letting it out. I mean, the nineteenth hole is

608
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:46.079
<v Speaker 4>there for bet no. And now that's why you spend

609
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:48.920
<v Speaker 4>five hours at the nineteenth. We're reflecting on all of

610
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:49.679
<v Speaker 4>those things.

611
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 5>That you should have already let out.

612
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 4>So for me, when something bad happens, I will I

613
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:02.119
<v Speaker 4>will allow myself to feel that emotion in that moment.

614
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:05.639
<v Speaker 4>But it doesn't mean it doesn't mean I picture a

615
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.519
<v Speaker 4>tent and stay in that emotion, I'm just like, okay,

616
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.159
<v Speaker 4>I acknowledge then I'm feeling frustrated right now. Then I

617
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:15.880
<v Speaker 4>have to shake it off and hear my head and

618
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:23.800
<v Speaker 4>go sp whatever's in my cart and carry on the

619
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:29.199
<v Speaker 4>next one. So it's quite correct that you say, because

620
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:35.719
<v Speaker 4>it's a good sport to assess how people will take

621
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:41.000
<v Speaker 4>how people deal with things going wrong, things going right.

622
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:42.920
<v Speaker 5>You know, all those.

623
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:46.239
<v Speaker 4>Things about your character literally come out on the golf course.

624
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Awesome, not a problem, miss my singer. Let's go for

625
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:58.159
<v Speaker 2>a quick two to five minute break. Fill up those

626
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.079
<v Speaker 2>cold glasses of water. We've been talking and I'm really

627
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:06.079
<v Speaker 2>enjoying this conversation. I told you that time flights when

628
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 2>chatting to Tony tone because we have been beautiful conversations

629
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:13.400
<v Speaker 2>about something that we both laugh in common. So if

630
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>we can just if we can just go for a

631
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.920
<v Speaker 2>two minute break, and then when we get back, we'll

632
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:25.360
<v Speaker 2>get more into detail as to what happens or what

633
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:30.360
<v Speaker 2>drove you to actually get into entrepreneurship. And then hopefully

634
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.559
<v Speaker 2>it is a story that can relate to a lot

635
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 2>of people who are listening, and you can give them

636
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:41.519
<v Speaker 2>some inputs or advice from your own experiences to say,

637
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:45.800
<v Speaker 2>how do you then navigate the space of entrepreneurship?

638
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay, perfect awesome stuff.

639
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.679
<v Speaker 2>So, ladies and gentlemen, as we go on that five

640
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>minute break, please please please take note of one of

641
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:59.960
<v Speaker 2>the most auspicious occasions that's coming up on the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>who has been a fantastic spot, and I love the

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<v Speaker 2>passion she has for the spot is just that sure,

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<v Speaker 2>she's very, very competitive, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I want to find myself leaping with her.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course she'll probably outdrive me, but in spite of

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<v Speaker 1>In a world where fairways meet the airwaves where Murdie's

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<v Speaker 1>and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the clubhouse and onto the green, the balls and

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<v Speaker 1>ts your passport to the golfing universe where every swing

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<v Speaker 1>tells the story and every part has its potchline. Get

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<v Speaker 1>ready to step onto the last greens and dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the world of divids, drives and delightful better the Magician.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, ladies and gentlemen, you are still tuned into

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<v Speaker 2>the hardest podcast there is in the entire world. And

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<v Speaker 2>then this is Bows and Tease, and you are hosted

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<v Speaker 2>by the one only Tony Tone the Magician. The boat

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of players, the only classic Manday is

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<v Speaker 2>on all podcasts. Ladies and gentlemen, I am still joined

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<v Speaker 2>here by miss Massinger, and guys, I'm having the time

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<v Speaker 2>of my life. This conversation is eye opening to say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for as much as we are out there

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<v Speaker 2>on the golf courses, we believe that we are all macho,

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<v Speaker 2>and we start intimidating and asking people to pass people.

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<v Speaker 2>People go back and reflect and they'll be like, now,

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<v Speaker 2>its these guys. They want to sop holes here because

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<v Speaker 2>they think they can drive further than us. So Miss

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<v Speaker 2>Massinger has actually brought there to light to say no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>please do not judge a book by its cover. So

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<v Speaker 2>we thought wasting any further time, let me welcome my

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<v Speaker 2>gayest back up by miss Massinger. I hope you are

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<v Speaker 2>heavy as much fun as I am today.

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<v Speaker 5>I really am.

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<v Speaker 4>This has been an extremely interesting conversation.

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<v Speaker 5>To me.

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<v Speaker 3>That I really appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, now we're going to get into some of

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<v Speaker 2>the most difficult questions that I believe I've got in

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<v Speaker 2>mind for you. But before we actually get into that,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I always put my guests on the sport

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<v Speaker 2>to say, man, we all have momish moments on the

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<v Speaker 2>golf course.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I would like to.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to get an understanding of what momish

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<v Speaker 2>moments have you experienced since you started playing?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember playing those course right observatory now we've nicknamed

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<v Speaker 4>it observed of a tree because that that thing is

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<v Speaker 4>tree lined and if you're shot, if you have a

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<v Speaker 4>slight fade or anything, when you're you're teeing or for

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<v Speaker 4>doing anything, you are finding a tree so.

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<v Speaker 5>Straight, dead straight. I remember there was there's a time

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<v Speaker 5>I went.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I like to go there just to try and

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<v Speaker 4>make sure I'm hitting this. You know, I'm straight as

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<v Speaker 4>an arrow.

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<v Speaker 5>And there's a time I went there and I tee.

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<v Speaker 4>It off and my ball observed a tree and it

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<v Speaker 4>came right back to me.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, oh you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 3>Literally hit a brand.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even know where and it came right back

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<v Speaker 4>to me.

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<v Speaker 5>Is like you have.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's bad. I mean, like.

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<v Speaker 4>How what what must happen there? Like, what must you

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<v Speaker 4>have to happen?

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<v Speaker 3>You basically dropped the shot, I mean like.

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<v Speaker 5>Truly, just like this is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I was like, this is this is this is insanity.

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<v Speaker 2>But but but I believe after that experience, you then realize,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what we Without all these kind of experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>you will never really enjoy golf. Because I'm of the

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<v Speaker 2>view that with mistakes or with such experiences, you learn

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<v Speaker 2>and then you work on something to improve afterwards.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's always there's always something to improve. And then

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<v Speaker 4>the beauty or the frustration. I don't know, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>take it run way there depends on how you the

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<v Speaker 4>beauty and frustration will golf all at the same time,

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<v Speaker 4>altogether all at once. Is when when you fix let's say,

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<v Speaker 4>for example, your long game you try shots, then your

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<v Speaker 4>short game decides I quit, and you're like mara.

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<v Speaker 5>Wai, you know, or what's going?

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<v Speaker 4>And then you fix maybe you're like, okay, let me

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<v Speaker 4>get my chipping game on point. You fix that, and

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<v Speaker 4>then your putty is like, nah, dog, I'm good with you,

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<v Speaker 4>Like why, like.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you know. It goes back to saying the

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<v Speaker 3>left doesn't know what the right is doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Basically, no, Like there's very few times when everything is

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<v Speaker 4>just working harmoniously and it's just you know, the symbiotic

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<v Speaker 4>relationship that's just working. There's just just something you go there,

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<v Speaker 4>and then there's something that is just not wanting to

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<v Speaker 4>come to the party. Like so many times, going back

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<v Speaker 4>to your question, there's so many times, like as I

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<v Speaker 4>told you earlier, I can drive right. I'm driving two forty,

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<v Speaker 4>and then there are times I get onto the course

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<v Speaker 4>and this bow goes no way, like literally it lands

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<v Speaker 4>in front of me, and I'm like, what kind of business?

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<v Speaker 3>What just happened?

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<v Speaker 5>Like what is this?

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<v Speaker 4>And then I'll think a would and then and then

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<v Speaker 4>I'll flap that thing and it will go and I'm like, matter,

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<v Speaker 4>this is what my driver was supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 5>Now just lost a shot.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, you know, I like.

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<v Speaker 2>Your your reflection on that because it actually builds up

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<v Speaker 2>to what I was just about to ask you to say.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I mean, you took a leap.

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<v Speaker 2>Of faith, if I, if I if my assumption is

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<v Speaker 2>right to say I'm going to start a business, and

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<v Speaker 2>in business, as you know, things will happen as they happen,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the beginning, to say, Okay, one day you

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<v Speaker 2>strike a good deal and then the next day things

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<v Speaker 2>go Soutlen Yeah, yeah, So it takes a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>courage for someone to actually decide to say, listen, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to invest, whether it's financial resources, my time, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to build.

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<v Speaker 3>This business from the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I would just like to get an understanding from

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<v Speaker 2>you from a mental point of view. As a golfer,

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<v Speaker 2>someone who's always been competitive, like you said, you've played

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of sports, getting into a business sphere and

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<v Speaker 2>studying something from scratch, how then do you relate the

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<v Speaker 2>mental strength because I would presume studying a business is

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<v Speaker 2>mentally draining because you have to figure everything out as

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<v Speaker 2>the entrepreneur, as the owner of the business. So the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing would apply to golf, to say, golf then

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<v Speaker 2>becomes your business from the first t shot all.

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<v Speaker 3>The way to the last part.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I just want to get your your your relation

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<v Speaker 2>between the two to say, how how does one actually

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<v Speaker 2>fit into the to the other, or how do you

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<v Speaker 2>get inspiration from one to the other.

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<v Speaker 4>So indeed, there's it takes a lot of courage or craziness,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, or all of the.

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<v Speaker 5>About to.

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<v Speaker 4>Proceed with caution, right, yeah, you know because always from

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<v Speaker 4>the from the outside, it looks so easy, just like

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<v Speaker 4>with the sport of golf. From from the outside, from

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<v Speaker 4>a person who's not actually ever touched the club, this

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't look very complicated like us.

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<v Speaker 5>Just like, but this sport looks super easy.

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<v Speaker 4>Like what's so complicated about the situation?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>It looks easy enough.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like when you're watching or when you're viewing

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<v Speaker 4>from the outside somebody running a business and things are

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<v Speaker 4>going You're like, am I rely, I can do this?

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I mean? I have a dreaming it's

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<v Speaker 5>easy enough. I can do this.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you get into it and you experience the

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<v Speaker 4>complexities of it, and then and and that's when you

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<v Speaker 4>start wondering about how the how on earth are these

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<v Speaker 4>people able to do this and sustain it, and keep

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<v Speaker 4>saying and now, then why there's so many watering holes

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<v Speaker 4>on a golf course, because wow, even in business, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>just like, I've got a number of wine supplies and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm forever calling I'm like my girl, listen.

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<v Speaker 3>Like help out.

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<v Speaker 5>You gotta send me a box. Because while right.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not condoning alcoholism, I'm just saying that a glass

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<v Speaker 4>of wine gets me through the day. But what I

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<v Speaker 4>appreciate with the lessons that you get on the course

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<v Speaker 4>is one you might have a shot and it might

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<v Speaker 4>not result in what you had envisioned it. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>you get a shot and in your head, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what the results is supposed to be, but things don't

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<v Speaker 4>always happen that way, right, And then when you get

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<v Speaker 4>to the next shot, now I have to clear your

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<v Speaker 4>head and you have to be like, Okay, I mess

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<v Speaker 4>that up, what happened, analyze, quickly, shake it off and

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<v Speaker 4>get your next shot. Because if you're going to carry

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<v Speaker 4>the mistake of what happened in your previous shot into

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<v Speaker 4>your next you're gonna mess it up. And that applies

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<v Speaker 4>to business so many times you make a decision, or

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<v Speaker 4>you have something that you want to do, you have

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<v Speaker 4>a project or an idea that you want to try

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<v Speaker 4>out of implementing business, and it might fall flood on

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<v Speaker 4>its face, it might not come out quite as you

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<v Speaker 4>had envisioned. Right, But if you're gonna now carry that,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you have to definitely carry the lessons. But

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<v Speaker 4>if you're gonna carry that feeling of disappointment versus, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>this happened, I accept it, I take the lessons, I

854
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.519
<v Speaker 4>shake it off, and I move on, you're not gonna

855
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:28.639
<v Speaker 4>get anyway because then if you're gonna carry the mistakes

856
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.159
<v Speaker 4>with you and that feeling of oh my gosh, that's

857
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:32.880
<v Speaker 4>so messed up, and now I'm angry and now I'm

858
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:35.960
<v Speaker 4>feeling what, you're gonna mess up your own day. And

859
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.000
<v Speaker 4>that happens as well with business. If you're gonna carry

860
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:44.079
<v Speaker 4>all those emotions with you versus taking the lessons with

861
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:48.280
<v Speaker 4>you and shaking off the rest of the emotions, you're

862
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.199
<v Speaker 4>gonna mess up the growth potential of your business. Yes,

863
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:54.039
<v Speaker 4>you try something, it doesn't work, Okay, cook, that didn't

864
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:56.599
<v Speaker 4>work too bad? I lost money, I did whatever. When

865
00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:00.559
<v Speaker 4>you lost time, you lost. Whatever, Great, take the lesson

866
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:04.679
<v Speaker 4>from that move on, same appliance with you tried something,

867
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.960
<v Speaker 4>it didn't work. Maybe you try to hit a shot

868
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:11.639
<v Speaker 4>with some iron, like like, now have this problem I

869
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:15.920
<v Speaker 4>feel I keep saying, maybe that's this African Muscile situation

870
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:23.679
<v Speaker 4>where I'm like, I knew I should have taken the

871
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:25.239
<v Speaker 4>shorter iron because.

872
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:28.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you went far over.

873
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.440
<v Speaker 3>I've just I'm just.

874
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.559
<v Speaker 5>Like, Okay, let's not do that next time, you know

875
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:37.000
<v Speaker 5>what I mean.

876
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:41.000
<v Speaker 4>Take the lesson, make you into the next and the

877
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:44.039
<v Speaker 4>next shot or the next opportunity for referring back to business.

878
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:45.199
<v Speaker 3>All right, no, awesome.

879
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:50.679
<v Speaker 2>I really like how you've actually explained the correlation between

880
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:53.719
<v Speaker 2>the two because my next question was going to be

881
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 2>about the time. I mean, during COVID times, for instance,

882
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the travel industry was heat hard and extremely hard.

883
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.039
<v Speaker 4>It came to a standstill. There's a difference.

884
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:15.760
<v Speaker 2>It died, let's say, and then it needed to be resurrected. Right, Yeah,

885
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 2>So I mean for someone who's in that space, I

886
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:24.599
<v Speaker 2>mean it's I think for me, your resilience is an

887
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:28.440
<v Speaker 2>individual And now, like you've just explained to say, listen,

888
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:32.360
<v Speaker 2>regardless of how bad things are, always look forward to

889
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.679
<v Speaker 2>the next move. How did you how did you actually

890
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:39.320
<v Speaker 2>manage to position your mind and say this is where

891
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:42.400
<v Speaker 2>we are at the moment, but going forward, this is

892
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:44.480
<v Speaker 2>how things are going to work. I mean, it's very

893
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:49.880
<v Speaker 2>difficult at the time because obviously your income is then

894
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:53.960
<v Speaker 2>depleting because there's still other business expenses that you need

895
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 2>to upkeep. So I just want to get an idea

896
00:56:56.599 --> 00:57:00.119
<v Speaker 2>of how how did you manage that entire situation to

897
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:03.320
<v Speaker 2>a point where your business didn't just survive, I mean

898
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:06.000
<v Speaker 2>it flourished afterwards.

899
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:08.880
<v Speaker 5>Here's what's interesting.

900
00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:14.079
<v Speaker 4>Great, So I came back to South Africa ten years

901
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:18.960
<v Speaker 4>ago to start this dream of mine that I had,

902
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:23.599
<v Speaker 4>and the business plan that i'd written when I was

903
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:27.800
<v Speaker 4>in Europe versus the business environment that I found was

904
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:32.039
<v Speaker 4>in South Africa were two completely different things. I realized

905
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:35.239
<v Speaker 4>very quickly when I landed here. Firstly, this is back

906
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:40.280
<v Speaker 4>in twenty fifteen, that I had to adjust my business

907
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:44.280
<v Speaker 4>plan because the South African market was not ready for what.

908
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:45.519
<v Speaker 5>Wasn't my business plan.

909
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:50.719
<v Speaker 4>Okay, just simply because I was in Europe and I

910
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:54.639
<v Speaker 4>had based my business plan on what I had seen

911
00:57:54.679 --> 00:58:01.079
<v Speaker 4>from being in Europe, so the perspective was skewed so

912
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:04.559
<v Speaker 4>then I had to. Then I decided, okay, let me

913
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:09.519
<v Speaker 4>let me go into the industry here and work so

914
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:13.159
<v Speaker 4>I can understand it from the inside and then adjust

915
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:19.519
<v Speaker 4>my business plan according me so that the South African

916
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:20.679
<v Speaker 4>market could understand it.

917
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:23.320
<v Speaker 5>So that's where I started. That's back in twenty fifteen.

918
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:24.639
<v Speaker 5>But I did that.

919
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:27.840
<v Speaker 4>I did my business part time at that point because

920
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:29.840
<v Speaker 4>I was just trying to kind of wrap my head

921
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:34.199
<v Speaker 4>around what's going on, and also to build and started network.

922
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:36.000
<v Speaker 5>If you're gonna go into business.

923
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:40.119
<v Speaker 4>You need a solid network, and I needed to establish

924
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:43.039
<v Speaker 4>that because I had never actually worked in South Africa.

925
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:48.880
<v Speaker 5>Then I went then COVID hit.

926
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:53.000
<v Speaker 4>And then that was the crazy moment that I decided

927
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:54.679
<v Speaker 4>to go into my business full time.

928
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.119
<v Speaker 2>So when people are panicking, you decided, no, I'm going here.

929
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:09.840
<v Speaker 5>Well, I wouldn't say I decided. It was Jesus decided, truly, because.

930
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:13.840
<v Speaker 4>Because for for a while before then, I was like,

931
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:17.079
<v Speaker 4>you know, I was praying about it, and I'm just like, Lord,

932
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:19.760
<v Speaker 4>I didn't come all the way to South Africa to

933
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:24.000
<v Speaker 4>be working because I'm like, the salary here versus what

934
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:27.360
<v Speaker 4>I was getting in Spain. I'd rather just go back

935
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:29.920
<v Speaker 4>to Spain. I didn't come here to come and be

936
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:34.400
<v Speaker 4>an employee. As I said, I'm I'm a competitive person,

937
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:36.480
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, I don't want to climb the ladder,

938
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:36.960
<v Speaker 4>I want.

939
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:40.880
<v Speaker 5>To own it. So I was like, I didn't time

940
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:43.039
<v Speaker 5>me over for this, so we can just rather go back.

941
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:50.559
<v Speaker 4>So anyway, COVID hit twenty twenty and then October twenty

942
00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:53.679
<v Speaker 4>twenty was still very much in prison in our houses.

943
00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:58.920
<v Speaker 4>That's when I went into my business full time. And

944
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:03.519
<v Speaker 4>because I had kind of observed the industry, what I

945
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:09.079
<v Speaker 4>did that kind of helped propel the business and differentiated at.

946
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:11.039
<v Speaker 5>That point to where we are now.

947
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:17.880
<v Speaker 4>Is I saw a gap and an opportunity to have

948
01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:26.679
<v Speaker 4>people travel virtually, not on pre recorded sessions, but I

949
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:31.960
<v Speaker 4>arranged travel experiences where people would log in on Zoom

950
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:36.000
<v Speaker 4>and my guide in the destination would take us for

951
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:41.960
<v Speaker 4>a live guided tour on zoom right where you could

952
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:44.239
<v Speaker 4>ask the questions as if you were standing there in

953
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:46.400
<v Speaker 4>front of him, and he'd walk around and show you

954
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:47.960
<v Speaker 4>so you could ask, oh, my gosh, cauld you go

955
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:48.960
<v Speaker 4>back to that, what is that?

956
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:54.360
<v Speaker 5>And explain. So it was very much of me showing people.

957
01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:58.840
<v Speaker 4>Virtually, but as close as I could get it to

958
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:00.960
<v Speaker 4>say this is what it would be like if you

959
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:05.800
<v Speaker 4>actually visited this destination, and then it grew from there

960
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:10.800
<v Speaker 4>to my taste experiences, which you're colleague heard about, where

961
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:15.760
<v Speaker 4>I then bring the destination locally here in South Africa

962
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:19.079
<v Speaker 4>to plant the seed regarding travel. And that has been

963
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:24.199
<v Speaker 4>a further differentiation in my organization which I have trademarked

964
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:30.000
<v Speaker 4>to say, Okay, I'm going to take destination marketing or

965
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:34.239
<v Speaker 4>travel marketing offline because now it's frustrated with the fact

966
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:38.519
<v Speaker 4>that as an agent or a tour operator in the sphere,

967
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:44.119
<v Speaker 4>all I have at my veil to try and let

968
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:48.559
<v Speaker 4>a client know about a destination is a video or

969
01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:52.159
<v Speaker 4>a photograph, and I'm like, that doesn't really depict or

970
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:56.079
<v Speaker 4>communicate in any way the true essence or at least

971
01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:59.159
<v Speaker 4>an idea of what it is that it would be

972
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.440
<v Speaker 4>like to travel. So I was like, okay, how do

973
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:07.079
<v Speaker 4>I take this offline to give somebody an actual tangible

974
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:11.679
<v Speaker 4>experience as to what it truly would be like to

975
01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:13.480
<v Speaker 4>go somewhere out.

976
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:13.800
<v Speaker 5>Of you know.

977
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:16.519
<v Speaker 4>I mean it started off with me doing a night

978
01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:23.119
<v Speaker 4>in Paris, right, and I had I had a French model.

979
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:27.400
<v Speaker 4>She did the French the Paris Fashion Show and what

980
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:29.800
<v Speaker 4>like the catwalk model and she has a brand here

981
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:35.000
<v Speaker 4>did broad French cuisine brought all the French community in

982
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:40.239
<v Speaker 4>here to come and explain to the potential travelers as

983
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:42.719
<v Speaker 4>to what it is like. And then I had to

984
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:45.559
<v Speaker 4>travel there and then I had my guide in Paris

985
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:48.119
<v Speaker 4>take us around for a live walking to the streets

986
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:53.519
<v Speaker 4>of Paris. So things like that have truly helped differentiate

987
01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:59.800
<v Speaker 4>myself from from other operators in a very unique way.

988
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:03.800
<v Speaker 4>But it's also helped to propel and expand the brand

989
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:07.960
<v Speaker 4>to what it is now where I saw a gap

990
01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:12.519
<v Speaker 4>and opportunity. But it was also based on a lot

991
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:17.480
<v Speaker 4>of work that we do in this digital age. Is

992
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:21.320
<v Speaker 4>is based on digital that on digital communication with this

993
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:24.719
<v Speaker 4>email or WhatsApp or whatever. And I was like, guys,

994
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:27.920
<v Speaker 4>I didn't I didn't get into travel to talk on

995
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:30.800
<v Speaker 4>the phone. I want to meet people and a social person.

996
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:39.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's all about the experience. It's about the that.

997
01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:42.159
<v Speaker 3>The scent.

998
01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:45.400
<v Speaker 5>Bring all those elements.

999
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:47.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean when you talk about scent, like for example,

1000
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:52.719
<v Speaker 4>my last experience that I did brought North Africa to how.

1001
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:54.840
<v Speaker 3>They and I literally the.

1002
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:59.920
<v Speaker 4>Scent I am I found a supplier who imports pure

1003
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:06.400
<v Speaker 4>Egyptian perfume oils into South Africa. So everybody anticipated walked

1004
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:08.840
<v Speaker 4>away with the scent of North Africa.

1005
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:11.719
<v Speaker 5>Everybody got a perfume, you know. So it's all those

1006
01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:12.920
<v Speaker 5>little touches.

1007
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:17.039
<v Speaker 4>Where I was like, I'm letting my creativity flow and

1008
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:18.360
<v Speaker 4>thinking outside the box.

1009
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:19.400
<v Speaker 5>Help break the box.

1010
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:23.599
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to be boxed in and leave people

1011
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:28.119
<v Speaker 4>with an experience. People remember experiences. If you are able

1012
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:32.280
<v Speaker 4>to touch somebody's emotion, they will remember you. And also

1013
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:35.920
<v Speaker 4>I was like, people buy it from people they like, So,

1014
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:37.760
<v Speaker 4>how are you gonna like me if all you're doing

1015
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:39.599
<v Speaker 4>is talking to me and what I'm like, Nah, you

1016
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:44.480
<v Speaker 4>gotta meet me, you gotta see me and that crazy personality.

1017
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really like that, but I just want to

1018
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:50.760
<v Speaker 2>find out.

1019
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:54.679
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you deal with a lot of international science.

1020
01:04:55.079 --> 01:05:01.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if there's anything where the people in South

1021
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Africa contact you to say listen, I'm out like you

1022
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:09.639
<v Speaker 2>to curate a trip for me to Mexico or to Spain,

1023
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:14.000
<v Speaker 2>for instance. People will always have misconceptions or they will

1024
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:20.840
<v Speaker 2>always have their own ideas of what they've perhaps read

1025
01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:24.039
<v Speaker 2>about or what they have seen on TV. Now, how

1026
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:27.760
<v Speaker 2>do you then manage that to say, listen, yes, I

1027
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:31.280
<v Speaker 2>understand this is the information you might have received or

1028
01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:33.639
<v Speaker 2>that you might have been exposed to when it comes

1029
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:38.639
<v Speaker 2>to this particular area or this particular location. But in

1030
01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:43.519
<v Speaker 2>essence that's not the true reflection of what is happening there,

1031
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:49.719
<v Speaker 2>because I would believe that people's perceptions actually shape the

1032
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:53.320
<v Speaker 2>anticipation of experience to say, okay, now, and I'm going

1033
01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:55.000
<v Speaker 2>to get there, this is what I'm going to see,

1034
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:59.320
<v Speaker 2>and then some form of reluctancy would also develop to

1035
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:03.519
<v Speaker 2>certain things or how do you engage them on such things.

1036
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:09.320
<v Speaker 4>So a lot of times when I am starting to

1037
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:13.440
<v Speaker 4>build a rapport with my clients, I will I will

1038
01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:16.360
<v Speaker 4>let them know a lot about my life in terms

1039
01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:21.239
<v Speaker 4>of my travel experience. That way, it kind of builds

1040
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:26.480
<v Speaker 4>an understanding that when I'm advising you, as I previously said,

1041
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:30.639
<v Speaker 4>it's not based on theoretics or you know, it's based

1042
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:35.360
<v Speaker 4>on I'm a traveler first and I just happen to

1043
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:37.880
<v Speaker 4>get paid to what I love.

1044
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:40.320
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1045
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:44.400
<v Speaker 4>It literally comes down to that because for me, everywhere

1046
01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:48.639
<v Speaker 4>I go, and whether it's locally or internationally, I literally

1047
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:50.639
<v Speaker 4>walk around with my eyes while I open there's so

1048
01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:53.360
<v Speaker 4>many things.

1049
01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:53.400
<v Speaker 5>That I'm aware of.

1050
01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:58.840
<v Speaker 4>For example, in holding where we're sitting that unfortunately not

1051
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:01.920
<v Speaker 4>even the holding Tourism associational, because I spoke to them

1052
01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:04.400
<v Speaker 4>about a coming event and they knew nothing about this

1053
01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:06.760
<v Speaker 4>place or my previous place that I hosted an event.

1054
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:10.760
<v Speaker 4>So it just comes down to a level of true interest.

1055
01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:14.920
<v Speaker 4>And for me, travel is a love and a passion,

1056
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:18.679
<v Speaker 4>so I'm forever doing research and finding out what's the

1057
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:21.119
<v Speaker 4>truth and what's this, And more often.

1058
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:22.159
<v Speaker 5>Than not, I'll go and try.

1059
01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:24.519
<v Speaker 4>I mean, the world is big and there's a lot

1060
01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:29.119
<v Speaker 4>to see, and as an avid traveler, as soon as

1061
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:32.159
<v Speaker 4>I take one place off, I've added five more. So

1062
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:37.199
<v Speaker 4>it never gets finished, but I try. So my saying

1063
01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:40.480
<v Speaker 4>is if I might not have been there, but it's

1064
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:44.000
<v Speaker 4>on my list, I get there at some point. But

1065
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<v Speaker 4>so what I do share with my clients is that, look,

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01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:52.199
<v Speaker 4>the advice that I'm giving you is coming from a

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01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:59.719
<v Speaker 4>traveler first, because let's be honest, you will most likely

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01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:03.039
<v Speaker 4>take make trouble advice from your friend who has traveled

1069
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:06.719
<v Speaker 4>a certain destination over a travel agent.

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01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:07.559
<v Speaker 5>Right you.

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01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:12.320
<v Speaker 4>Right, your friend will say, oh, I've been to Bali

1072
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:15.280
<v Speaker 4>and it was so nice, and I was ah. And

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01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:19.399
<v Speaker 4>then based across there, yes, based on that feedback, then

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01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:21.359
<v Speaker 4>you'll go to the travel agent and be like, oh

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01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:23.479
<v Speaker 4>my god, I have a friend went and it was

1076
01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:26.039
<v Speaker 4>awesome and I want to have the same experience. At

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01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:28.760
<v Speaker 4>that point, I don't really have input, right, You've made

1078
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:34.159
<v Speaker 4>your decision and as time, and I never argue with that. However,

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01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:39.880
<v Speaker 4>what I've seen with my experience is as I talked

1080
01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:44.319
<v Speaker 4>to clients and I asked them, Okay, you've picked this destination. Why, Okay,

1081
01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:47.319
<v Speaker 4>you're this kind of a person you like onety three

1082
01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:50.960
<v Speaker 4>four five? Are you aware that perhaps you won't get.

1083
01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:52.319
<v Speaker 5>Much of that where you're going?

1084
01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:56.399
<v Speaker 4>So what what is the reason behind you picking this

1085
01:08:56.520 --> 01:08:59.880
<v Speaker 4>specific destination that you're talking to me about?

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01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:06.359
<v Speaker 5>You know what I mean? Like this, why what are

1087
01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:08.399
<v Speaker 5>you hoping to out of that experience?

1088
01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:12.800
<v Speaker 4>And then you know, once once we're engaging in the conversation,

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01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:15.039
<v Speaker 4>more often than out they will ask me, but like,

1090
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:17.359
<v Speaker 4>why are you asking me all these questions? And I'm like, well,

1091
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:22.479
<v Speaker 4>I'm a traveler first and then I'm an agent second.

1092
01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:27.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm like I travel all the time. Literally, So for me,

1093
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:29.680
<v Speaker 4>as I said, I just get paid to do what

1094
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:37.880
<v Speaker 4>I love. Anyways, so so it's coming from a space

1095
01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:43.920
<v Speaker 4>of you're talking to somebody like you're talking to a friend.

1096
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:47.119
<v Speaker 4>And then on top of it, I have the actual

1097
01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:53.640
<v Speaker 4>expertise of the industry to back. So that's how I

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01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:58.680
<v Speaker 4>overcome such such situations.

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01:09:58.680 --> 01:09:59.880
<v Speaker 3>And I mean it.

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01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:04.239
<v Speaker 2>In your response you mentioned something about research that you

1101
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:07.640
<v Speaker 2>you actually take your time in research a lot about

1102
01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:11.640
<v Speaker 2>whether it's the location, the culture.

1103
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:12.239
<v Speaker 3>And all those things.

1104
01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Now, I mean research is the fundamental basics to innovation

1105
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:22.840
<v Speaker 2>as it tends, so I want to understand. I mean,

1106
01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:26.880
<v Speaker 2>this is your space and from what you have done

1107
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:29.960
<v Speaker 2>over the years, I mean to actually say, you know what,

1108
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:35.800
<v Speaker 2>instead of just doing virtual tosks, let's involve a guide

1109
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.279
<v Speaker 2>wherever that clients want to see and let it be

1110
01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:43.600
<v Speaker 2>an interact session that where people can actually ask. Now,

1111
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:49.760
<v Speaker 2>within the entire African continent, where the economy within the

1112
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:53.520
<v Speaker 2>travel industry is actually vibrant and is still growing, what

1113
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:59.359
<v Speaker 2>innovations do you do you believe could actually improve or

1114
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:01.439
<v Speaker 2>accelerate growth in their economy.

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01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:07.840
<v Speaker 4>There are a few areas, you know, when when people

1116
01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:11.640
<v Speaker 4>think travel and tourism, the first thought is either working

1117
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:22.199
<v Speaker 4>a travel agency or restaurant or or a hotel primarily, yeah, right,

1118
01:11:22.279 --> 01:11:26.760
<v Speaker 4>those are the areas that come top of mind. And

1119
01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:29.159
<v Speaker 4>I was actually having this conversation with one of my

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01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:31.319
<v Speaker 4>friends and I'm like, look, I deal with a lot

1121
01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:36.880
<v Speaker 4>of international travelers, and as I said, I've traveled quite extensively.

1122
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:43.119
<v Speaker 4>And the one area that I definitely see that we

1123
01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:48.159
<v Speaker 4>are not exploring or growing as much as we could

1124
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:53.640
<v Speaker 4>in terms of its capacity, it's with regards to, first

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01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:58.359
<v Speaker 4>of all, guiding. For example, if I have a group

1126
01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:03.920
<v Speaker 4>of class in tow coming in internationally thirty forty fifty

1127
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:07.920
<v Speaker 4>hundred to three hundred people, when I put them on

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01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:12.000
<v Speaker 4>a bus, the law dictates that there must be a

1129
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:17.000
<v Speaker 4>qualified professional guide on that bus, whether or not he's

1130
01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:19.279
<v Speaker 4>actually talking to these people. They need to be on

1131
01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:23.279
<v Speaker 4>that bus, right because I've done to us where people

1132
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:25.439
<v Speaker 4>are like, we're tired, please don't talk to us. Just

1133
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:29.760
<v Speaker 4>it's okay, you don't need to be explaining, right The client.

1134
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:29.920
<v Speaker 5>Will say that.

1135
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:33.000
<v Speaker 4>Then they'll be like, nah, we're good, we're tired, and

1136
01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:35.439
<v Speaker 4>it's okay, you don't need to be explaining, no history

1137
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:38.640
<v Speaker 4>or what we just want to rest right now. The

1138
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:41.359
<v Speaker 4>law dictates that that person must be on that bus.

1139
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:44.560
<v Speaker 4>That means that person must get paid whether they're talking

1140
01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:49.880
<v Speaker 4>or they're not talking. Right, true, the course to get

1141
01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:53.680
<v Speaker 4>that qualification doesn't actually cost that much and it doesn't

1142
01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:54.880
<v Speaker 4>actually take that long.

1143
01:12:55.279 --> 01:12:57.359
<v Speaker 5>But there is an underestimation.

1144
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:01.920
<v Speaker 4>And what I've found in the industry is that you'll

1145
01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:05.199
<v Speaker 4>find that it's a lot of older people who are

1146
01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:08.960
<v Speaker 4>just keeping themselves entertained so that they don't have certain

1147
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:14.239
<v Speaker 4>tire who are doing guiding, and yet and yet the

1148
01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:18.000
<v Speaker 4>client's one younger, especially black people. I'm not trying to

1149
01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:22.239
<v Speaker 4>make this a race issue, but for example, our country,

1150
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:26.640
<v Speaker 4>a lot of the history is based on our on

1151
01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:28.279
<v Speaker 4>our racial history.

1152
01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:31.000
<v Speaker 5>Now I'm gonna be frank with it. And now they.

1153
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:36.399
<v Speaker 4>Want to hear about our history from a person who has.

1154
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:40.399
<v Speaker 5>Gone through it. But now those people are not Yes.

1155
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:43.399
<v Speaker 4>But but now we're not on those buses telling our story,

1156
01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:45.039
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean.

1157
01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:46.560
<v Speaker 5>I guess it's a lack.

1158
01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:52.479
<v Speaker 4>And then when I've been traveling, I've found if there

1159
01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:56.079
<v Speaker 4>is one country that has exploited or used its full

1160
01:13:56.119 --> 01:14:04.039
<v Speaker 4>potential with regards to travel revenue generation to its full potential,

1161
01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:13.560
<v Speaker 4>it's Indonesia Bali. Those people are ingenious, like the the

1162
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:18.359
<v Speaker 4>the guides that you find on site, whether you're doing

1163
01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:20.319
<v Speaker 4>the bally sing. Do you know that this bully sing

1164
01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:24.239
<v Speaker 4>was just created by a guy who decided, Ish, I'm

1165
01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:26.520
<v Speaker 4>going to come up with an idea and I'm gonna

1166
01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:28.479
<v Speaker 4>have this long flowid dress and I'm gonna put a

1167
01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:29.880
<v Speaker 4>swing and people come here.

1168
01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:30.560
<v Speaker 5>And take photos.

1169
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:34.720
<v Speaker 4>Like I mean, when you think about the logic of that,

1170
01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:37.800
<v Speaker 4>and then you think about I went there, I went

1171
01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:41.880
<v Speaker 4>to the group and the cues from a person has

1172
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:45.319
<v Speaker 4>put a swing in some scenic spot. Just consider how

1173
01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:47.640
<v Speaker 4>many scenic spots we have in this country. I have

1174
01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:51.119
<v Speaker 4>not seen a swing. I have not seen nothing swinging

1175
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:51.880
<v Speaker 4>in our country.

1176
01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:56.199
<v Speaker 5>Why. I'm not why?

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01:14:57.079 --> 01:15:02.680
<v Speaker 4>And they become expert forographers. The content that people will

1178
01:15:02.720 --> 01:15:04.800
<v Speaker 4>create for you, Like they'll take your phone and they'll

1179
01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:09.319
<v Speaker 4>create insane videos that you can literally just put up.

1180
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:11.159
<v Speaker 5>Agree, we know our girls, okay.

1181
01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:13.439
<v Speaker 4>And I'm directing this to the women because I know

1182
01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:17.079
<v Speaker 4>that ninety of travel decisions are made by women, right,

1183
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:18.800
<v Speaker 4>I deal with them all day.

1184
01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:20.279
<v Speaker 5>So I'm just like, I know this for a.

1185
01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:23.840
<v Speaker 4>Fact, and I'm just like Gus, there's this great gap

1186
01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:28.520
<v Speaker 4>that we are not exploiting and even basic things. When

1187
01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:31.760
<v Speaker 4>I think about our a lot of international travelers will

1188
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:37.000
<v Speaker 4>come through and they want to see authentic life in

1189
01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:38.479
<v Speaker 4>South Africa, not Santin.

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01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:40.640
<v Speaker 5>I live in Santin, don't. I don't hear it on.

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01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:44.880
<v Speaker 4>Santain, right, But Santin is not South Africa. If you're

1192
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:49.239
<v Speaker 4>sitting in Santin, you could be in New York. So like, no,

1193
01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:52.520
<v Speaker 4>they're like, guys, can you take us to alex for example?

1194
01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:54.359
<v Speaker 5>Right in Cape Town.

1195
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:56.800
<v Speaker 4>They're very good where They'll take you to Kaylicha. I've

1196
01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:02.359
<v Speaker 4>taken so many international tourists to kaylie each and to wait, yeah,

1197
01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:04.520
<v Speaker 4>to go, and I want to see the vibe they

1198
01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:06.119
<v Speaker 4>want to seek us see. They want to see the

1199
01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:08.680
<v Speaker 4>township life. They want to see the authentic life that

1200
01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:12.119
<v Speaker 4>is the you know. But I'm like, but if if

1201
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:18.640
<v Speaker 4>nobody is going to create like an itinery or experience

1202
01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:22.880
<v Speaker 4>that these people, these visitors can come and enjoy it,

1203
01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:25.000
<v Speaker 4>to come and see the truth of.

1204
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:27.399
<v Speaker 5>What it is, then they never will.

1205
01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:30.000
<v Speaker 4>So there's a lot I mean, so it has been

1206
01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:35.000
<v Speaker 4>very good with it, right, but I'm like, there's there's

1207
01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:38.279
<v Speaker 4>a lot more potential. It's just a matter of open

1208
01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:41.640
<v Speaker 4>your eyes see what they might be, what is unique

1209
01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:44.560
<v Speaker 4>out there. I mean, people will even have sent clients

1210
01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:49.199
<v Speaker 4>on a shopping guys, they needn't. They're like, no, we

1211
01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:54.920
<v Speaker 4>want to buy African Katua and and now now somebody

1212
01:16:54.960 --> 01:17:00.479
<v Speaker 4>must take them shopping, right, So you can literally specialize anything.

1213
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:03.520
<v Speaker 4>I mean people specialize in birds and trees and what

1214
01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:08.680
<v Speaker 4>and insects and fashion is one I've done odd tourism.

1215
01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:13.479
<v Speaker 4>There's been food tours. There's even been jazz to us, Like,

1216
01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:16.199
<v Speaker 4>do you think about what it is that you love,

1217
01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:20.720
<v Speaker 4>learn about it, become an expert in it, and you'll

1218
01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:24.319
<v Speaker 4>find a market to come and actually learn about it.

1219
01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Locally interesting And you know, if there's something that you've

1220
01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:35.279
<v Speaker 2>highlighted is that a lot of people would assume that

1221
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:39.920
<v Speaker 2>international travelers would like to see the toll buildings, the.

1222
01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:41.560
<v Speaker 3>Lights, They really don't.

1223
01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because even also South Africans when when we travel,

1224
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:50.479
<v Speaker 2>we're like, okay, we know there's traffic lights in South Africa,

1225
01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:55.000
<v Speaker 2>there's electricity. We would travel to learn more about the culture.

1226
01:17:55.199 --> 01:18:00.560
<v Speaker 2>So if we are not exposing international travelers culture, then

1227
01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:02.720
<v Speaker 2>we're definitely feeling ourselves.

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01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:06.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely, because the essence of travel is to go

1229
01:18:06.800 --> 01:18:11.359
<v Speaker 4>and learn about different cultures, different ways of thinking perspective,

1230
01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:15.479
<v Speaker 4>because it helps you understand your neighbor a little better.

1231
01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:19.319
<v Speaker 4>At the end of the day, you know, you become

1232
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:25.520
<v Speaker 4>a little more tolerating of the differences because you understand

1233
01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:29.840
<v Speaker 4>that just because I feel like something must be this

1234
01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:35.439
<v Speaker 4>way doesn't mean that from your perspective that is correct. Yes,

1235
01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:37.520
<v Speaker 4>there will be a lot of similarities, but there will

1236
01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:40.560
<v Speaker 4>also be a lot of differences. And what makes life

1237
01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:44.319
<v Speaker 4>beautiful is all the differences that exist between us. But now,

1238
01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:48.600
<v Speaker 4>if we're not going to go and confidently communicate that,

1239
01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:50.439
<v Speaker 4>then we are feeling.

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01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:55.439
<v Speaker 2>Ourselves true, true, one hundred percent. I take full note

1241
01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:59.399
<v Speaker 2>of that, mis Massinger, and sure you know, I've had

1242
01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:02.760
<v Speaker 2>so much fun chatting to you that we actually miss

1243
01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:10.279
<v Speaker 2>time and it's unfortunate that we have reached the end

1244
01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:12.760
<v Speaker 2>of our engagement. Hopefully we can do a part two

1245
01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:17.119
<v Speaker 2>today because I really really want to get more insights

1246
01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:21.760
<v Speaker 2>as to how can we improve especially the travel space

1247
01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:26.039
<v Speaker 2>within South Africa, because I believe that it is completely

1248
01:19:26.119 --> 01:19:31.119
<v Speaker 2>underrated and it is not fully exploited or fully taken

1249
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:32.000
<v Speaker 2>advantage of.

1250
01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:35.319
<v Speaker 3>So it's just it's.

1251
01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:37.439
<v Speaker 4>Underrated, because I mean, Cape Town is voth of the

1252
01:19:37.439 --> 01:19:40.119
<v Speaker 4>best city in the world, but keep Town is like

1253
01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:40.880
<v Speaker 4>a mini Europe.

1254
01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:46.000
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's not application.

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01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:51.039
<v Speaker 4>So I'm just like literally literally is like a little

1256
01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:56.239
<v Speaker 4>piece of Europe that sits here at the bottom of Africa.

1257
01:19:58.039 --> 01:19:59.640
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, awesome stuff.

1258
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:03.159
<v Speaker 2>But with that being said, MSMs Singer, I really really

1259
01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:08.039
<v Speaker 2>want to acknowledge and appreciate the time that you've taken

1260
01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:11.800
<v Speaker 2>to join us today and the insights that you've actually

1261
01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:16.640
<v Speaker 2>given myself and our audience. I believe that people are

1262
01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:20.920
<v Speaker 2>still glued to the devices right now to say, sure

1263
01:20:21.279 --> 01:20:28.800
<v Speaker 2>they didn't understand the correlation between travel and golf in

1264
01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:32.359
<v Speaker 2>the way that you actually understand it, and obviously the

1265
01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:35.359
<v Speaker 2>economics of it as to say, how can we be

1266
01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:39.279
<v Speaker 2>more innovative to ensure that you capitalize in what you do.

1267
01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:43.239
<v Speaker 2>So we really really appreciate that and I look forward

1268
01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:46.680
<v Speaker 2>to more engagements. Like I said, if there's any possibilities

1269
01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:48.800
<v Speaker 2>of doing a part two of this, I would be

1270
01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:51.560
<v Speaker 2>more than thrilled to participate in it.

1271
01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:54.920
<v Speaker 3>And then yeah, hopefully this time around it will be.

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<v Speaker 2>On video and it won't be via social media.

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<v Speaker 3>We will be on video on a golf course.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, not a golf course so they can see me.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll drive you put myself under pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because apparently I'm a long hitter. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people who've played with me will say, hey, this this

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<v Speaker 2>young man hits the ball so hot, although I do

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<v Speaker 2>not see that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, I think it'll be It'll be wonderful to

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<v Speaker 4>do this again. But thank you Tony for having for

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<v Speaker 4>having me this evening. Thanks for bols and tease. I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's been a it's been a wonderful overlap of time.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been a very enjoyable conversation on my part as well.

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<v Speaker 5>It's been it's been great fun.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I really appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>And now please do continue bringing more people into golf,

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<v Speaker 2>because the more the maria and then let's let's let's

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<v Speaker 2>continue building this environment for social golfers. Let's continue sharing

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<v Speaker 2>business knowledge in all different aspects from all different industries.

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<v Speaker 2>So we really really appreciate your inputs as well as

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<v Speaker 2>your contribution to the travel space in South Africa and

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<v Speaker 2>internationally as a whole, because I like the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you are taking South Africa and Africa out of Africa

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<v Speaker 2>to the people. Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, mss Singer.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again, thank you and you must have yourself a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful evening. Further, we shall engage like I said, the

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<v Speaker 2>next episode will be video live on the golf course.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I will take you up on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Have a great evening, everyone, and thank you so much

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<v Speaker 4>for your time.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, ladies and gentlemen. We have reached the end

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<v Speaker 2>of our so today. As I said, it was extremely informative.

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<v Speaker 2>And listen, guys, I've had so much fun. I've never

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<v Speaker 2>loved so much right now. I even feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>tone of my voice has changed the way I've been

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<v Speaker 2>laughing because I had so much fun with my guest today.

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<v Speaker 2>But please, whilst edit, make sure that you do contact

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<v Speaker 2>nom Pumelelo and Sipole regarding the nineteenth November I of Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>the golf Day that is powered by Africa Summit Investments.

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<v Speaker 2>You must make sure that you contact nom Pumeloo on

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<v Speaker 2>zero seven nine one four six four three two two

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<v Speaker 2>that's zero seven nine one for six four three two

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<v Speaker 2>two or Sipo on zero six zero seven three five

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<v Speaker 2>eight seven sixty six. That's the Africa Summit Investments Golf

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<v Speaker 2>Day that's happening on the nineteenth of November twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five at Eye of Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>You definitely don't want to miss this.

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<v Speaker 2>This will give expose you to a lot of opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>local and international. You will then be able to network

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<v Speaker 2>with the who who's of the industries. So, with that

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<v Speaker 2>being said, ladies and gentlemen, make sure that you catch

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<v Speaker 2>us on Spotify, you catch us on Spreaker, You make

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<v Speaker 2>sure you catch us on.

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon as well as Apple Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I am the one, the only, Tony Tone, the magician,

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<v Speaker 2>the ball with a lot of flair. I am a

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<v Speaker 2>classic man, and please continue listening to the One and

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<v Speaker 2>only Balls and Teas Podcast. You must have yourself a

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<v Speaker 2>great weekend. Like I usually say, if you're waking on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>my people a man, no, man, no, it's no, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to wake. But if you're waking on Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>please make sure that you contact me directly. I will

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<v Speaker 2>come up with a proposal on how we can structure

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<v Speaker 2>your week better so that your weekend begins on Wednesday evenings.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like mine.

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<v Speaker 2>With that being said, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much and much love to everyone that's supporting us.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell your friend to tell their friends so that.

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<v Speaker 2>Their friends can tell their friends and their families to

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<v Speaker 2>tune into Balls and Teas.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you,