Speaker 1: Man, it has been too long, Garry Jeff needs to
Speaker 1: get paid. But we're back on a Saturday night night
Speaker 1: cap here on seven other WLW and joining us. First
Speaker 1: off is my old friend, your old friend, Rick Robinson,
Speaker 1: author of nineteen sixty eight and many many more wonderful books.
Speaker 1: We'll be talking about books tonight. We'll be talking about
Speaker 1: somebody that you haven't seen or heard from in the
Speaker 1: National Spotlight in Washington, DC, and possibly a new investment
Speaker 1: opportunity for you in cryptocurrency. We'll see. Nothing's been officially
Speaker 1: rolled out yet. We're still working on it. We're still
Speaker 1: working on it. We're still working on the Ludlow Bromley cryptocurrency. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So he's wearing a T shirt that says straight out
Speaker 1: of Bromley again, Rick Robinson, how are you from? I
Speaker 1: am doing wonderful, my friend. I am I good summer.
Speaker 1: So I was just down at Cumberland River for about
Speaker 1: four or five days fishing and the trout were jumping
Speaker 1: into my into my creole.
Speaker 2: It was a wonderful time. Isn't it amazing?
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to get sidetracked with this too much,
Speaker 1: but I think it still deserves mentioning now a week
Speaker 1: out from the terrible tragedy in central Texas with the
Speaker 1: flash floods, where there was in a very short amount
Speaker 1: of time a river rose twenty six feet like within
Speaker 1: about I don't know, an hour, forty eight minutes something
Speaker 1: like that, and all of those poor kids and councilors
Speaker 1: along with the townsfolk of cities like Kerville, Texas wiped away.
Speaker 1: Basically horrible flash and whatever, you know, the usual source
Speaker 1: for relief and help. But I saw an interview earlier
Speaker 1: this week, and I guess now that a lot of
Speaker 1: the cleanup and the recovery has happened here a week
Speaker 1: Hence we can start talking about donations. And if you
Speaker 1: are one of those people who actively goes and does
Speaker 1: things on site, you know maybe now. But I saw
Speaker 1: an interview, just a heartbreaking interview with one of the survivors,
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, there's no real reason to
Speaker 1: come down here right now.
Speaker 2: We just need your prayers.
Speaker 1: And you know, Gary, Jeff, that's I think a great point,
Speaker 1: because what has disturbed me even more than the incident
Speaker 1: is both the left and the right politicizing horrible, horrible
Speaker 1: natural I've heard it on the left more than I've
Speaker 1: heard it on the right. And it's not because I
Speaker 1: haven't listened for it on the right. Mostly it's when
Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer came out earlier this week rick and started
Speaker 1: blaming Donald Trump for a flood, the blame, the blame
Speaker 1: on Biden's administration, when.
Speaker 2: The blame is on nobody's administrations.
Speaker 1: The blame. When Helene came to North Carolina and wiped
Speaker 1: out those communities in a similar fashion. It was about
Speaker 1: the response. It wasn't that it happened. I mean, this
Speaker 1: was Chuck Schumer doesn't deserve to be in office anywhere.
Speaker 1: He doesn't deserve to be in an office depot. That
Speaker 1: guy is a cretan of the highest or lowest form,
Speaker 1: in my opinion. And it's just amount of can't we
Speaker 1: all just hit the pause button?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Go and go, you know, say a prayer, talk to
Speaker 1: the Lord to give them guidance.
Speaker 2: Short and some semblance of peace.
Speaker 1: It isn't isn't this the time to not worry about
Speaker 1: one side or the other, not to worry about that.
Speaker 1: It's time to sit down and go. I can't well, well,
Speaker 1: there's still the emotion, while there's still recovering bodies is
Speaker 1: not the time to start pointing fingers politically. And that's
Speaker 1: exactly what Schumer and some others on the left were
Speaker 1: doing earlier in the week. Uh So, you're right, and
Speaker 1: and and it should be an all out pause button
Speaker 1: because politics aren't important. Politics aren't important most of the time.
Speaker 1: Forget a forget a natural disaster tragedy like the one
Speaker 1: that occurred in Texas or anywhere else. But it's certainly
Speaker 1: the last place you need to inject politics into anything.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're on the right or on
Speaker 1: the left. I agree with you and I you know,
Speaker 1: and in the middle. You know, hey, we all may
Speaker 1: all end up joining the libertarian gang whatever they end
Speaker 1: up calling it. You know, in the long time, I
Speaker 1: was kind of amused to see the libertarians raise their
Speaker 1: hand and go, you know, if you want to get
Speaker 1: behind somebody, we're over here, and we don't have any money,
Speaker 1: you know, right, Well, that's that's a good point. Money
Speaker 1: makes a big difference in politics, obviously, But it just
Speaker 1: it sounds a lot like the Tea Party, which wound
Speaker 1: up influencing the Republican Party more than it did anybody else.
Speaker 1: And they those people kind of assimilated into the Republican
Speaker 1: Party and changed it somewhat for the better. You know,
Speaker 1: back during that timeframe, I was writing for a left
Speaker 1: leaning magazine in the New England area, and I did
Speaker 1: any other kind of magazine in the newes No, they're not,
Speaker 1: but but I was. I was, as they said, I
Speaker 1: was their token conservative. And uh, that's when things were
Speaker 1: still funny. We don't have humor anymore. But I wrote
Speaker 1: a column. I can't even remember what the point of
Speaker 1: it being, but they it was the first gathering of
Speaker 1: the Tea Party. Oh that happened in that area. That
Speaker 1: actually did the whole thing. And you know, I did
Speaker 1: this column about how that's going to influence this and
Speaker 1: everything else that I remember everybody at the magazine going, oh, pshaw,
Speaker 1: you're just trying to get a laugh. Well that was true.
Speaker 1: I was trying to get a laugh. But that being said,
Speaker 1: I it. It did have an influence it and and
Speaker 1: later actually got involved with some people down in Florida
Speaker 1: who were Cubans who were involved in the Rubio campaign,
Speaker 1: and that was that was eye opening to me. I
Speaker 1: did a couple of columns about that at the time,
Speaker 1: and they were the folks that were really behind the
Speaker 1: Rubio campaign for Senate and just found the whole thing fascinating.
Speaker 1: I had I had a car ride one point from
Speaker 1: Tampa to a fundraiser down in somewhere outside Miami, and
Speaker 1: I remember everybody in the car arguing because you had
Speaker 1: one thing. And this is kind of what I remember
Speaker 1: from the timeframe of the Tea Party is you had
Speaker 1: one section of the movement that wanted to change the
Speaker 1: Republican Party. You had another segment of the of the
Speaker 1: Tea Party that wanted to blow up everything and start over, okay.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting on how that has played out over
Speaker 1: the last couple of years and what's going on. You know,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that when we were getting ready
Speaker 1: to do this today, was that I didn't have time
Speaker 1: to go on and take a look at If you
Speaker 1: ever want to know what's going on in Cuba and
Speaker 1: Cuban American relations, go.
Speaker 2: To a blog called the bab Bahloo Blog Baba Loo Mamlou.
Speaker 1: A loan website on an island of revolt or something
Speaker 1: of that nature, but it's a brilliant site that tells
Speaker 1: you what's going on on a day to day Pasis
Speaker 1: from sources within within Cuba, and those are the guys
Speaker 1: that I was traveling around with, and it was just
Speaker 1: a fascinating idea. The Tea Party of Again, did they
Speaker 1: want to influence it from within or did they.
Speaker 2: Want to blow it up?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you can make the argument that President
Speaker 1: Trump kind of blew up the Republican Party.
Speaker 2: That's where I was going with them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so since we went that way, you came
Speaker 1: in tonight telling me about the person in Washington, DC
Speaker 1: that we haven't heard about or heard from really or
Speaker 1: seen except in photo ops on camera in cabinet meetings.
Speaker 1: The one person that we haven't really seen or heard
Speaker 1: from in the Trumpet minute stration, Susie Wiles. When have
Speaker 1: we heard anything about Susie Wiles lately? Like I said,
Speaker 1: I saw her on camera earlier, the camera. She's always
Speaker 1: there in the background. She she showed up now her
Speaker 1: big thing. Let let's just let's just be You've known
Speaker 1: Susie for a long time. Susie came up through Jack
Speaker 1: Kemp worked in the Reagan administration. Uh you know, you know,
Speaker 1: so they worked in HW's administration.
Speaker 2: Father.
Speaker 1: For those of you paying attention to keep the score
Speaker 1: out there, Pat Summer all the NFL quarterback and broadcaster.
Speaker 2: That was her father. Wow.
Speaker 1: And so when she went to Kemp's office, I don't
Speaker 1: think she really was going as a because that was
Speaker 1: her political leaning.
Speaker 2: I think she went.
Speaker 1: Because dad got her the job, right, Okay, All and
Speaker 1: kept know each other. But as she goes along, she
Speaker 1: goes on more on the political side than she does
Speaker 1: on the policy side. But she has a couple of
Speaker 1: very important rules. One is set goals, Two is set deadlines.
Speaker 1: Three is do better on both. Oh good, I like that. Well,
Speaker 1: but think about this. You talk about the big you know,
Speaker 1: whether you want to call it the big beautiful bill
Speaker 1: or the big beautiful blunder.
Speaker 2: What happened, Well, depending on your point of view.
Speaker 1: Right, they set a deadline, Right, they set different different goals.
Speaker 1: They said various things in there. And it wasn't a
Speaker 1: matter of, oh, we can push this after the fourth No,
Speaker 1: it was I think that's Susie Wilde's influence in this.
Speaker 1: Now she does go down. The one thing I found
Speaker 1: in news searches over the last couple of weeks, the
Speaker 1: only time she's ever she's peered really since inaugural in
Speaker 1: anything substantive was she did sneak into a Republican conference
Speaker 1: in the Senate m hm and again saying what we
Speaker 1: have a deadline. It was amazing that they and I
Speaker 1: think that a while. And you think, Susie Wiles, this
Speaker 1: is her fingerprints all over. Oh yeah, she she is.
Speaker 1: She is uh lee atwater without the loud mouth and
Speaker 1: southern and southern accent. Okay, she's brilliant politically yeah uh
Speaker 1: you know, got to remember prior to Trump, she also
Speaker 1: got involved in the Scott campaign for governor. She literally,
Speaker 1: uh Ronda Santis. She saved that campaign for governor. She
Speaker 1: is a brilliant strategist and most importantly, she's very much
Speaker 1: the loyalist. You will never And I think that a
Speaker 1: lot of things are happening because we're not getting leaks,
Speaker 1: we're not getting anything else. I think the final, the
Speaker 1: final conversation that's being had in the White House, when
Speaker 1: all the all the chips are in the on a table,
Speaker 1: I think Trump is looking across the table and going
Speaker 1: Susie last word mm hmmm. And politically, I think that's
Speaker 1: why a lot of his measures are getting through and happening.
Speaker 1: And again, nobody knows you know the leaks aren't happening. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll give I ran two weeks to get this taken
Speaker 1: care of. Two days later, boom, there's only one person
Speaker 1: in the White House saying. But he didn't say they
Speaker 1: have two weeks. He said, I'll decide within the next
Speaker 1: two weeks. And later was within the next two weeks,
Speaker 1: and because they'd already had sixty one days to comply.
Speaker 1: And who was the last person that you think whispered
Speaker 1: that in his air before he said it? Susie, I
Speaker 1: think so, I think that I think her fingerprints are
Speaker 1: all over what is happening right now. But he did
Speaker 1: not say they have two weeks. He said I'll decide
Speaker 1: within the next two weeks. Correct, very very important that way,
Speaker 1: very very very important. And again I think something that
Speaker 1: very wild, very in the in central case, you know,
Speaker 1: she's she is central casting of the of the of
Speaker 1: the mind, behind the strategy, the back room power broker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she definitely is. Definitely. So I mean, since we uh,
Speaker 1: just for a couple of minutes in this segment, Rick
Speaker 1: Robinson is our guest here on the Nightcap on a
Speaker 1: Saturday night. Yeah, how come every time I come in
Speaker 1: for the nightcap. I have to bring my own drink. Well,
Speaker 1: I have some unsweetened iced tea. Well, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're coming over here from from Huddles and
Speaker 1: you think you would bring me a Manhattan or something
Speaker 1: for the evening man Hatton?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, howbout a Rob.
Speaker 1: Roy Oh so, the you mentioned the big beautiful bill,
Speaker 1: the big beautiful blunder, whatever way you want to characterize it,
Speaker 1: already is being talked about. James Carvell spoke to this
Speaker 1: earlier this week. It's going to be a boon for
Speaker 1: the Democrats in twenty six They're going to get forty
Speaker 1: seats in the House. They're going to take back over
Speaker 1: the Senate, all because of the bill that passed last
Speaker 1: Friday on the fourth of July. And I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Democrats are organized enough right
Speaker 1: now and have any kind of leadership right now to
Speaker 1: orchestrate that kind of a blue wave next year.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts.
Speaker 1: If James Carvill were whispering in the leadership ears like
Speaker 1: he did during the Clinton administration, they should be Republicans
Speaker 1: should be worried. But the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: he's not he's again like while brilliant strategists, forget him
Speaker 1: on policy. He's a strategist, that's what he is, right,
Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody's thinking I don't think anybody's
Speaker 1: listening to the reptile any No, they don't.
Speaker 2: That's just it. Nobody.
Speaker 1: Look how many times have you and I talked about this.
Speaker 1: They have an opportunity to make an m road here,
Speaker 1: they really do. And so my response is it's way
Speaker 1: too early to tell, but they have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: make an inroad on all of this. And what are
Speaker 1: we hearing about? What do we still continue to hear
Speaker 1: about Leah Thompson swimming right didn't work for him last election? Well,
Speaker 1: and if they better be listening to to to either
Speaker 1: carvill or somebody, Thank god, it's for Linda McMahon and
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Lea Thomas isn't thinking about Leah Thomas. I
Speaker 1: think Lea Thomas is thinking about growing a beard, cutting
Speaker 1: his hair and going back to the boys locker room,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's an issue that they tried. It
Speaker 1: didn't work, it's not going to work, and yet they
Speaker 1: go back to the same issue right now. He's talking
Speaker 1: about it in California. Yeah, they're refusing to comply with
Speaker 1: Title nine with the law in California because we have
Speaker 1: our own law and we just will not buckle down.
Speaker 1: And you know, Colin Linda McMahon all kinds of absurd
Speaker 1: names and saying that this isn't professional wrestling, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's comical that they're doing this, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna threaten us in the wards of James Carvel
Speaker 1: that ain't going hunt, that dog ain't going hunt. No, no, pardon,
Speaker 1: pardon me. I don't have a very good Bayou accent.
Speaker 1: I didn't do my impersonation for our purposes tonight. It's
Speaker 1: just fun. I usually do better impersonations, you know that.
Speaker 1: I mean I used to. I used to play Reagan
Speaker 1: on Eddie Show and years ago. We all have our
Speaker 1: fortes as far as imitating people's voices. I used to
Speaker 1: do a killer Casey Kaseum, but seemingly since he died,
Speaker 1: it's not as in demand as it used to be.
Speaker 2: There's not a big call for.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll do some long distance dedications.
Speaker 2: Next half written in this sentence is out to Dave
Speaker 2: Hatter in love Low Kentuck. All right, listen.
Speaker 1: Uh, this is for Terra in San Diego, who said, Casey,
Speaker 1: I wish there was a good feminine hygiene product that
Speaker 1: covered more than your armpits.
Speaker 2: Can you please play that Smell by Lynyrd SKINNERD. Listen.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break and come back more with the
Speaker 1: Rick Robinson on this Nightcap after a break in the
Speaker 1: and the news here on seven hundred w LW.
Speaker 2: I hope you're having a good night.
Speaker 1: I'm having a lovely time in the first hour the
Speaker 1: special Saturday Night Cap talking to my old buddy Rick Robinson,
Speaker 1: author of nineteen sixty eight and many more wonderful books,
Speaker 1: rid Of, rid Of Mandamus, rid of Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: my favorite one that's actually worth the some of the
Speaker 1: other books that you well, So I have. I have
Speaker 1: basically two different genres that I write, and the nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty eight was kind of a one off for me
Speaker 1: of doing a non fiction historical book, but there I
Speaker 1: have quite a few in the political thriller genre. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I've also I also created my own genre.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, I am a creator. I did I did.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: I have two books and I'm working on a third
Speaker 1: that I refer to as come in of age novels
Speaker 1: for old guys with gray hair that never came of
Speaker 1: age yet. Now it's hard to fit that, hard to
Speaker 1: fit that on the New York Times bestseller list. You
Speaker 1: know where you're going, right, But since I'm the only
Speaker 1: I've written the only two, I think you'll feel like
Speaker 1: I'm right up there.
Speaker 2: You got to be in. I'm right up there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm right at the top of those things.
Speaker 1: So so, so what is that genre? Give me an example?
Speaker 1: The genre is so. What happened was when when I
Speaker 1: was true story. That's how I got into writing. When
Speaker 1: I was seventeen years old, an English teacher at Ludlow
Speaker 1: High School took me to meet Jesse Stewart, the Mountain
Speaker 1: Laureate of Kentucky pull a surprise nominee for The Thread
Speaker 1: That Runs So True, brilliant writer about growing up in
Speaker 1: the hills of eastern Kentucky from w Holla, Kentucky. And
Speaker 1: I was just fascinated by the man. I was his
Speaker 1: go to guy for the day. Basically, what I had
Speaker 1: to do is I had to run again a pack
Speaker 1: of cigarettes every time he smoked through a whole pack
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: But I got to.
Speaker 1: Annoy him gave me one of his books. It did everything,
Speaker 1: and I was convinced that what I needed to do
Speaker 1: was to write the great Coming of age novel. Now
Speaker 1: the problem was I was seventeen years old. That's one
Speaker 1: of the jokes my children liked to tell was that
Speaker 1: you know, Dad right was coming of age novel and
Speaker 1: couldn't do it until he was forty. But the idea,
Speaker 1: the concept is is that when you hit these different
Speaker 1: markers and this book that I had to have been
Speaker 1: going through my brain for a long time. I had
Speaker 1: this crazy uncle who everybody has that crazy uncle. I
Speaker 1: really had him. My great uncle, Chip Thompson loved to fish.
Speaker 1: Everything was about fishing. He comes home one day and
Speaker 1: his wife says, Chip, you got to make a bigger mind.
Speaker 1: It's near the fish. So he took all of his
Speaker 1: stuff through it in the back of his surplus army jeep,
Speaker 1: drove to the Everglades and never came back, no kidding.
Speaker 1: Came back on vacations and stuff, but lived down there
Speaker 1: for the rest of his life. And so I wanted
Speaker 1: to write this story about searching for the soul of
Speaker 1: Chip Thompson. Kept working on it, working on working on
Speaker 1: I don't think I really came up to a story.
Speaker 1: So I started hitting fifty, started peeking over the edge
Speaker 1: of fifty. And that's one of the you know, that's
Speaker 1: kind of the marker where you look at and go,
Speaker 1: am I successful? Did I do what I wanted to
Speaker 1: do in life? I really wanted to be Uncle Chip.
Speaker 1: I want to be spent my life, you know, guiding fish,
Speaker 1: guiding down and down in and everglades. And all I
Speaker 1: really picked up I'm from was you know, smoking and
Speaker 1: liking to bet on horses. You know, I didn't pick up.
Speaker 1: And so this story is about the coming of age
Speaker 1: at fifty, of going what is success? What is something
Speaker 1: that you know? What is it that I've done with
Speaker 1: my life? And is there some if I can wave
Speaker 1: the magic wand and start over?
Speaker 2: Would I? Well?
Speaker 1: You know the thing that that reminds me of Rick
Speaker 1: is it Alligator Alley available on ampum. I have Alligator Alley,
Speaker 1: which is short for Alcatraz. Anyway, what it kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me of is the fact that I've had about
Speaker 1: three or four different comings of age in my life,
Speaker 1: and I've had about three or four just in this business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I've had to reinvent myself so many times and
Speaker 1: had to look back and go, is this what I
Speaker 1: was supposed to be doing? And maybe not? Or is
Speaker 1: there something else there? And at every turn there has
Speaker 1: been something else there. But if, but if you could
Speaker 1: waive the magic wand and change your destiny, would you
Speaker 1: do it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: See, that's what this guy is faced with. That's what
Speaker 1: the main character is faced with in this particular novel.
Speaker 1: Second novel in the Coming of Age series is called
Speaker 1: The Promise of cedar Key, and it's about turning sixty.
Speaker 1: I've told my kids that, you know, the next book
Speaker 1: is going to be about turning seventy, and it's going
Speaker 1: to be all blank pages. But that's not that's not hopeful.
Speaker 1: I'm working on I'm working on that one too. Actually,
Speaker 1: we're working on potentially a movie deal for Alligator Alley.
Speaker 1: So that's oh, that's a lot of fun, a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. Yeah, I'm finishing up the script right now,
Speaker 1: as we worked on it this morning on Saturday, since
Speaker 1: I got back from fishing, worked on that, came over
Speaker 1: here and joined the program.
Speaker 2: So all right, well it's great to have you. So
Speaker 2: my bitcoin you got to plug my bitcoin.
Speaker 1: Because I mean, I mean, I'm saving that for the
Speaker 1: last Okay, that's part of this, all right. Rick Robinson
Speaker 1: is our guest tonight. You went to the Library Association meeting.
Speaker 1: American Library Association, one of the great great meetings of
Speaker 1: everything that is literature in America. Oh, this is sinilating
Speaker 1: conversation for a Saturday night on talk radio. So tell
Speaker 1: me about the American Library Association meeting and why people
Speaker 1: should care. Why people should care is if I totally
Speaker 1: and completely agree with the librarians do not ban books.
Speaker 1: We have been banning books since the time of of
Speaker 1: of JD. Salinger and Catcher in the rye. Don't ban books?
Speaker 1: What's with your kids reading? The cultures banned papyrus. But
Speaker 1: more importantly, I wish the librarians would get out and
Speaker 1: ban bad writing. Oh my god, there were some books
Speaker 1: up there that and people that I were talking to,
Speaker 1: walking around the booths, talking to people, catching up with
Speaker 1: some peopeople that I knew, meeting other people, and I.
Speaker 2: Oh, tell me about your book.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's about the super charged alien lesbians that come
Speaker 1: down from them. They're trying to do this and they're
Speaker 1: and they're and I'm going that's scary as hell. If
Speaker 1: if it's good and I, oh, let me look at it.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you know how to use the semi colon?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I mean that's the first question that you know, let's
Speaker 1: go back. They had to the basics. I actually had
Speaker 1: part of my semicolon removed. No, so you're just talking
Speaker 1: about syntax and grammar and just putting just together. You're right,
Speaker 1: flow of a story in the writing story. Some of
Speaker 1: it I looked at up there and it's like and people,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're when you've I've got thirteen books
Speaker 1: behind me, and so people will come up and go,
Speaker 1: hey and leice to meet, you know, when I'm signing
Speaker 1: and doing in my session in my booth with my publisher,
Speaker 1: you know, people come up, Oh, I'd like to give
Speaker 1: you a copy of my book and see what you
Speaker 1: think of Thank you very much. I'm people that write
Speaker 1: their books are very proud of what they write.
Speaker 2: Sure, and I and I know it can be a
Speaker 2: real time consumer. Oh yeah for me to write a book.
Speaker 1: But as we sit there and we're looking at they
Speaker 1: hand it to me and everything else. And so I'm
Speaker 1: coming home on the plane with like eight books.
Speaker 2: I'm going there was there was one.
Speaker 1: Book, yeah, and I won't It was about I won't
Speaker 1: tell you the name of the author because.
Speaker 2: I don't want to want to do.
Speaker 1: But but it was a It was a somewhat of
Speaker 1: an autobiography of being nearly famous coming out of the
Speaker 1: New Jersey music scene, hung out with Southside Johnny, hang
Speaker 1: out with Springsteen. You know, meat got stories about met Loaf,
Speaker 1: the Talking Heads, Blondie, everybody that comes out of that
Speaker 1: Brooklyn to New York Jersey scene. And the stories are phenomenal,
Speaker 1: you know, he tell tell the story about you know,
Speaker 1: and the band, the band that warmed us up that
Speaker 1: night was horrible because we never thought they weren't tight
Speaker 1: at all. The music wasn't great, and who's going to
Speaker 1: buy an album from a band called the Talking Heads
Speaker 1: and they you know, and you know that's all and
Speaker 1: that type of stuff, you know. Running into his friend
Speaker 1: Jimmy Steinman and going, hey, you got to see this
Speaker 1: guy that I'm writing music for.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Meatloaf comes on stage and I remember thinking, nobody's going
Speaker 1: to put a put an eight.
Speaker 2: Minute song on the radio.
Speaker 1: As he's listening to about As he's listening to Paradise
Speaker 1: by the dashboard life. So it's very funny and self deprecating,
Speaker 1: but it's like, you know, sometimes it would just wander
Speaker 1: on forever and there be a space in a period
Speaker 1: and another space and then start again. Well, there've been
Speaker 1: a couple of examples of those lengthy songs on the radio,
Speaker 1: you know. And the first one comes to mind is
Speaker 1: in your book nineteen sixty eight, Hey Jude, but hey jus.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then of course there was American Pie America McLean,
Speaker 1: which was eight and change.
Speaker 2: Think as a brick? Are we going to go there?
Speaker 1: We'll think as the brick was about six fifty. No,
Speaker 1: the long version was a two sided album. Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: but the version that got played on the version got played,
Speaker 1: but the whole song is two sides of an old LP. Right,
Speaker 1: you're you're absolutely correct. I still got it at home.
Speaker 1: I'll bring it in the newspaper. I love it with
Speaker 1: that part of it. I love Don McLean's American Pie
Speaker 1: because when they first sold it as a forty five,
Speaker 1: side one of the forty five was half of the
Speaker 1: song and it would fade down and then it would
Speaker 1: you flip it over on side two of the forty
Speaker 1: five and it'd fade them hell to scaled as well,
Speaker 1: so you had to flip it over to hear the
Speaker 1: whole song. Thank god I had the album, kept it
Speaker 1: kept it away from being to be talking about you're
Speaker 1: talking about this book that this person is name dropping
Speaker 1: all these great musical acts, and it's a wonderful book.
Speaker 1: I actually read the whole thing on the flight home
Speaker 1: because it was a wonderful book. Hearing from somebody who
Speaker 1: grew up in that scene.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And anybody knows that, you know, I mean, anybody knows
Speaker 1: the background of the Stone Pony in in uh in Jersey.
Speaker 1: It's where again Southside Johnny Bruce, Little Steven and the Disciples,
Speaker 1: where all of them come from.
Speaker 2: Those their launching pads. So there.
Speaker 1: You love good books. I love good writing. You love
Speaker 1: good writing. Whether you think should bad bad writing, which
Speaker 1: I think they should ban bad writing. I mean I
Speaker 1: look at that at going look put whatever topic out
Speaker 1: there that you want to put out.
Speaker 2: If it's a good book, by God, put it out there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Tom Wolf will be proud.
Speaker 1: I have his friend named Yvonne, who he uh was
Speaker 1: always he'd come into the bar and he was the
Speaker 1: only person who came into the bar to sit and
Speaker 1: have a couple of cocktails and Stoley and soda please,
Speaker 1: And he'd have a book with him every time, and
Speaker 1: that was the entire time he was sitting at the bar.
Speaker 1: He would be reading a book and I'd say, how's
Speaker 1: the book? He gone, and he goes terrible. He said,
Speaker 1: why are you reading it? He said, I'm halfway through.
Speaker 1: I just want to see if it gets any worse.
Speaker 1: And then he then he'd read books. I'd have authors
Speaker 1: on the show, and would he would hear about it
Speaker 1: and ask me about the book and go buy the book.
Speaker 1: A couple of times I loaned him some books that
Speaker 1: I had had authors on the air, and he said, man,
Speaker 1: this is really good. This is a page turner, this
Speaker 1: is great. But he would be there and just because
Speaker 1: he was halfway invested into this really badly written book,
Speaker 1: he'd still sit there and read it.
Speaker 2: It didn't matter. I did. Let me put it this way.
Speaker 2: On the book. I did a lot of skipping.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I found names right, But it was it
Speaker 1: was a fun book to read it.
Speaker 2: And I just wish somebody would.
Speaker 1: Have grabbed me as an editor first and gone all right,
Speaker 1: all right, straight straight out of Bromley. I got my
Speaker 1: straight out of Bromley shirt on here tonight. Let me
Speaker 1: hear about you. Okay, we're going to start a book,
Speaker 1: We're going to get a bitcoin. We open with this,
Speaker 1: let's close with it. It's time to have the Love
Speaker 1: Low Bromley bitcoin. Okay. And so why why love Low Bromley. Well,
Speaker 1: because we're the twin cities. We're the crossroads of a continent.
Speaker 1: All life centers around Lovelow Bromley. I was from a
Speaker 1: mixed marriage. My dad was from Lovelow, my mom was
Speaker 1: from Bromley. So sorry, you have to have gray hair
Speaker 1: to laugh at that joke. If you're younger, if you're
Speaker 1: a gin, if you're a gin whatever it is now,
Speaker 1: you don't get that joke. Ask your mom and dad
Speaker 1: what it means. But I think if we come up
Speaker 1: with a bitcoin, you know, and the problem is going
Speaker 1: to be coming up with all of the people we
Speaker 1: want to put on the bitcoins, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: all of them have pictures on them, right, so you
Speaker 1: know I'm thinking, is there.
Speaker 2: Really a coin? Yeah, well there's really pictures of the coin.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you know, I mean, first off, Dave Hatter
Speaker 1: has to write you know, rank up hatter.
Speaker 2: Because he's you know, he's the top denomination.
Speaker 1: Well he's the only guy who makes it onto your
Speaker 1: show more than me. So yeah, two reasons for that.
Speaker 1: Number one, he's got great information, he's very good. And
Speaker 1: number two, he's from Ludlow. Okay, no, number two, he's easy.
Speaker 1: Uh so we have we have him for one of them,
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, Now, we couldn't do one without having
Speaker 1: a Bob Brown on it. Oh okay, kind of a memorial. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I think we could also do one with uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the gaither of brothers, you know, Billy on
Speaker 1: one side, Tommy on the other, you know. So, I
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of a lot of things we
Speaker 1: can work into. Cowboy Dan Johnson, who was famous because
Speaker 1: of his friendships with the likes of Robbie Robertson and
Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese. When when he passed away, they they graced
Speaker 1: Ludlow with their presence of coming to a cowboy Dan
Speaker 1: Johnson's uh, you know.
Speaker 2: Ater in Blue.
Speaker 1: We could put Adrian Bloo on one of them show
Speaker 1: on Kenner Street in Ludlow. So you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of working this around right now. But I figured
Speaker 1: you could use it, you know, since they don't only
Speaker 1: take cash down at the Ludlow we're on the yacht club,
Speaker 1: and now that it's back open again, maybe we could
Speaker 1: you know, work it into there. You could buy bitcoin
Speaker 1: to go down a page Naylor Light. My neighbors went
Speaker 1: to steak Night this past Tuesday at the yacht club,
Speaker 1: and I was so jealous, just because that was my
Speaker 1: only time I'd ever been to the Ludlow Bromley Yacht
Speaker 1: Club years ago, years before they closed on steak night
Speaker 1: where you buy the steak, they hand you the steak,
Speaker 1: and you go out and grill it yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just such a great atmosphere and environment there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We always like together around and sing to the tune
Speaker 1: of freak Out. We always you know, sit around and
Speaker 1: come steak out a steak out. So the Ludlow Bromley Bitcoin, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Lovelober this is going to be ready for a launch.
Speaker 1: I don't know, we're we're you know, we're still kind
Speaker 1: of working on this. Is this is still just you know,
Speaker 1: a formula. I mean, we got to come up with
Speaker 1: a you know, with the right investors and the you know,
Speaker 1: the people who are who aren't quite smart enough to
Speaker 1: really manage their own money, that want to put money
Speaker 1: into something like this. So if you're one of those people,
Speaker 1: just just you know, Rick Robinson, don't get me in
Speaker 1: trouble people sending me like pennies because they want to
Speaker 1: invest in the Ludlow Bromley. Well, there you have a
Speaker 1: Gary Jeff Walker is going to be the finance director
Speaker 1: for I will not can't be responsible for my own finances,
Speaker 1: not everybody else's. Uh, but it sounds fun and you
Speaker 1: believe that even though Ludlow Bromley Yacht Club does not
Speaker 1: accept anything but cash, they will accept the Ludlow Bromley Bitcoin.
Speaker 2: We haven't gotten there yet. We're not negotiat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're still we're still in intense Negotia's the art
Speaker 1: of the deal, Yeah yeah, they the the the art
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: Art of the steel. Maybe in this.
Speaker 1: Well could be more apt. Man, it's so great to
Speaker 1: talk to you. I enjoy my times when I'm here.
Speaker 1: It's not me that is, well, my goodness, you're going off.
Speaker 1: I forgot that. I had a I had to watch that.
Speaker 1: That see, that's.
Speaker 2: Somebody calling right now wanting to invest.
Speaker 1: That was that was investors calling that right, Well, that
Speaker 1: wasn't that wasn't a that wasn't a mistake. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: lay there. That was in fact, investors rushing to my
Speaker 1: to my to my watch. I'm gonna let you get
Speaker 1: to that because we're out of time for this segment. Uh,
Speaker 1: my friend Matt Mauning is coming up next. Matt is
Speaker 1: a former Cincinnati undercover cop gosh thirty years ago, and uh,
Speaker 1: the discussion tonight is centered around the Oklahoma City bombing
Speaker 1: thirty years after and and what he knows or thinks
Speaker 1: he knows about what really happened, who was behind it,
Speaker 1: and how things led up to the bombing of the
Speaker 1: Murrah Federal Building April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five. It's all
Speaker 1: ahead on this special Saturday Night cap as we continue
Speaker 1: on the Home of the d seven hundred WLW. By
Speaker 1: luck of the draw, you got me gry J. F.
Speaker 1: Walker on seven hundred WLW. It's another special Saturday Night
Speaker 1: nightcap and our first guest this evening is a guy
Speaker 1: that I've had on the air before. He's a collector
Speaker 1: here in town. He's a former Cincinnati undercover police officer
Speaker 1: and tonight the focus is something that thirty years on,
Speaker 1: people just don't want to talk about anymore. It's the
Speaker 1: chapter's been written. Everything that we could possibly know about
Speaker 1: the bombing of the Muraw Federal Building in Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five has already been researched. It's been
Speaker 1: combed over, and maybe combed over is a pretty good word,
Speaker 1: if not completely covered up, about the true reason behind
Speaker 1: it and what was going on leading up to it,
Speaker 1: involving the FBI, the CIA, other clandestine intelligence agencies in
Speaker 1: this country, something called Operation pat Con. To get in
Speaker 1: the middle of this, we have Matt Manning, who, as
Speaker 1: I mentioned, he's a local collector, former undercover Cincinnati copp
Speaker 1: and he's been really really involved in this story, in
Speaker 1: the backstory behind it ever since nineteen ninety three, believe
Speaker 1: him or not. And if you're a member of the FBI,
Speaker 1: just realize that you have to have security clearance to
Speaker 1: get in our building.
Speaker 2: Well, this is going on tonight.
Speaker 1: But he makes several allegations that aren't really conspiratorial in nature.
Speaker 1: When you look at the evidence that's been presented in
Speaker 1: federal courts, especially by a man named Jesse Trinidou, there
Speaker 1: is a book coming out on the twenty second, which
Speaker 1: let me do the math in about a week and
Speaker 1: a half, called Blowback, that details a lot of what
Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about tonight. So that any
Speaker 1: further ado, Matt Monning, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: How are you pretty good? Pretty good?
Speaker 1: Well, you told me you felt like it had been hit
Speaker 1: by a baseball bet but stay yeah, but it's good
Speaker 1: to see you man, good to see up and around
Speaker 1: and upright. So you've been talking to me about this
Speaker 1: for a while, and there are some Cincinnati roots to
Speaker 1: what happened in Oklahoma City. So let's start there. You
Speaker 1: found out about this or kind of well, at the
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this story, let's go back to
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, right, Is that that what year you
Speaker 1: started following this?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I became a policeman in ninety two and
Speaker 4: kind of fell into this in November, and ninety two
Speaker 4: is when it all started.
Speaker 1: All right, if anybody remembers, we're going back thirty three
Speaker 1: years here. There were the Midwest City bank Robbers, which
Speaker 1: was a group of guys here locally that you say
Speaker 1: were FBI informants or snitches.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they were actually paid informants for the FBI,
Speaker 4: to CIA and a secret service.
Speaker 2: All right, what were their names.
Speaker 4: Sean Kenny, Pete Langen, and Richard Lee Guthrie.
Speaker 1: All right, and so they're paid FBI or CIA informants.
Speaker 1: And what were these guys doing.
Speaker 4: I said, they were allowed to rob banks. Basically, we
Speaker 4: were allowed to rob banks. Yeah. I mean, if you're
Speaker 4: being paid by the government, and I said, as an
Speaker 4: informant supposedly, and you're out robbing banks and you're not
Speaker 4: being locked up for robbing these banks, and they have
Speaker 4: a way to get hold of you, I mean, it's
Speaker 4: pretty pretty plain and simple what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Well, was what was the purpose behind robbing these banks
Speaker 1: and the FBI allowing them to do it?
Speaker 4: The way it is explained to me was these guys
Speaker 4: were robbing these banks and the FBI was following the money.
Speaker 4: And if you go back in time, go back anywhere
Speaker 4: from eighty five to ninety five, look at any newsweek, magazine,
Speaker 4: Time magazine, any of the weekly things that came out.
Speaker 4: Every one of them, either on the cover or inside
Speaker 4: of it, had an article on these these state militias,
Speaker 4: you know, and they were just the bane that they
Speaker 4: were just the bane at the federal government. I said,
Speaker 4: they couldn't figure out a way to shut these militias down.
Speaker 2: A threat to America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so, you know, so these things, these
Speaker 4: militias and everything were out there and they were trying
Speaker 4: to figure out a way to shut them down. Apparently
Speaker 4: the way, is explained to me, was they were allowing
Speaker 4: the FBI was allowing these banks to be robbed, and
Speaker 4: they were following the money, and apparently they were going
Speaker 4: to follow the money and then shut do search warrants
Speaker 4: all across the nation and shut these things down. But
Speaker 4: before they did it, all this money and that that
Speaker 4: they were you know, collected, got funneled into Oklahoma City,
Speaker 4: and Oklahoma City got blown up, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: right in ninety five before they could even do the
Speaker 4: search warrts are doing anything supposedly.
Speaker 2: All right, So Timothy McVeigh was working for the FBI.
Speaker 4: That's that's a big bone of contention there. There's there's
Speaker 4: rumors that McVeigh was in town, was responsible for a
Speaker 4: couple of the robberies that he worked with Kenny Langing
Speaker 4: and Guthrie on a couple of robberies. But there's no
Speaker 4: way to prove it, you know, because you know, there's
Speaker 4: no fingerprints, there's no eyewitness testimony anything like that to
Speaker 4: say it.
Speaker 2: And of course Timothy McVeigh is not around anymore too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, I mean McVeigh killed himself basically. I mean,
Speaker 4: I mean, you get a guy that that it does
Speaker 4: this and then you know, doesn't want to save himself.
Speaker 4: He wants to be executed as soon as possible. I said,
Speaker 4: that was that was a gift wrap for the FBI. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know they couldn't do it soon enough.
Speaker 1: Well, the other person arrested in connection with the Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City bombing, who is serving a life sentence in supermacs
Speaker 1: tucked away from the rest of society is a man
Speaker 1: named Terry Nichols.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Why is Terry Nichols still alive and Timothy McVeigh is dead.
Speaker 4: Well, Nichols doesn't want to die, for one, I said.
Speaker 4: And the other thing, as I said, he's in supermax,
Speaker 4: I said, I mean, the guy can't do anything. It's
Speaker 4: twenty three hours a day and lock up. They control
Speaker 4: everything about this guy, you know, most reports and everything.
Speaker 4: Weren't allowed to talk to him or anything. Over the years.
Speaker 4: I believe that the last reporter was able to ever
Speaker 4: talk to him was the lady that wrote this new
Speaker 4: book that's coming out, Blowback, Margaret. I can't remember her
Speaker 4: last name right the top of my head.
Speaker 1: But Blowback is the title of the book that's coming
Speaker 1: out on the twenty second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I believe she's the last reporter it was
Speaker 4: actually able to talk to him, But when the conversation
Speaker 4: went where Nicol said that the whole operation was due
Speaker 4: to a rogue FBI agent, they shut everything down. She
Speaker 4: wasn't allowed to talk to him, no more letters, nothing,
Speaker 4: you know. So he's basically been under lockdown probably for
Speaker 4: over the last year, you know, where no one's allowed to.
Speaker 1: Talk to him, Matt I recall vividly, and it was
Speaker 1: on all of the newscast in the in the immediate
Speaker 1: aftermath of the bombing of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City in nineteen ninety five that people on the scene
Speaker 1: and even some at the time law enforcement were saying
Speaker 1: that there was another man with Timothy mcveig, a John
Speaker 1: Doe number two that we all heard about. And you know, again,
Speaker 1: my memory is still pretty clear after thirty years on
Speaker 1: John Doe. I always heard they could never find John
Speaker 1: Doe number two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, anybody, anybody knows anything about it. Oklahoma
Speaker 4: City knows that there was a John Doe number two.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's over twenty eye witnesses that came forward
Speaker 4: and gave sworn statements, you know, stating about it. There's
Speaker 4: videotape of the second guy getting out the passenger side
Speaker 4: of the truck and some miraculously disappeared, which is the
Speaker 4: main part of lawsuits here lately, within the last two years,
Speaker 4: you know of Jesse trying to do trying to get
Speaker 4: this videotape a copy of it, and the FBI just
Speaker 4: keeps stonewalling. I'm saying it never happened. In fact, the
Speaker 4: FBI has gone as far as to say there never
Speaker 4: was a John Doe number two. So you know, which
Speaker 4: is it? I said, you know, you want to lie
Speaker 4: about it now, you want to lie about it later.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just they just can't keep their life straight.
Speaker 4: And I said, the thing about Jesse trying to do
Speaker 4: is his when when Oklahoma City happened and John Doe
Speaker 4: number two was first put out there, they locked up
Speaker 4: Jesse try to do his brother Kenny trying to do
Speaker 4: is John Doe number two. They spent over a week interrogating.
Speaker 4: They finally put zip ties around his neck, strung him up,
Speaker 4: beat the hell out of him, yeah, and killed him,
Speaker 4: and then said that he hung himself in his jail cell.
Speaker 4: The FBI's version is he tied a bed sheet around
Speaker 4: his neck, tried to climb up to hang himself on
Speaker 4: the sink, slipped and fell, bumped his head, then climbed
Speaker 4: up again and and and fell and hung himself. And
Speaker 4: I said, but when you look at you look at
Speaker 4: the pictures inside the jail cell, there's puddles of blood
Speaker 4: all over the place, blood on the walls, there's blood everywhere.
Speaker 4: I said, this doesn't happen when you hang yourself, you know.
Speaker 4: So they end up killing Jesse trying to do His
Speaker 4: brother is John Delle number two, and he's been suing
Speaker 4: them for over thirty years over this. And I said,
Speaker 4: he's gotten judgment after judgment against the FBI. So anybody
Speaker 4: that wants to say this is a conspiracy theory, this
Speaker 4: is just people, you know, you know, constantly coming up
Speaker 4: with stuff, making things up. All you have to do
Speaker 4: is look at Jesse trying to do his website, and
Speaker 4: I said, he recently put all thirty years of everything
Speaker 4: he's done suing the government, radio shows, talk shows, TV shows.
Speaker 4: Everything is online. It would take you two weeks to
Speaker 4: go through it. And all you have to do is
Speaker 4: just google dress Jesse trying to do t R E
Speaker 4: N T A due And he's got his own website,
Speaker 4: you know, Kenny Trynado dot com. And it just follow
Speaker 4: the different sites that are you know, bold and blue,
Speaker 4: and you'll get to the website that shows all thirty
Speaker 4: years of what he's done, you know, proving this stuff.
Speaker 4: And I said, they end up killing him as John
Speaker 4: Dene number two, and that was the biggest mistake they
Speaker 4: ever did, was because the guy they killed as John
Speaker 4: Doe number two, his brother is an attorney. And I said,
Speaker 4: he's basically devoted last thirty years his life. Jesse's eighty
Speaker 4: years old, and all the FBI is going now is
Speaker 4: just waiting for him to die. They just want him
Speaker 4: to die and go away. But it doesn't matter, it's
Speaker 4: never going to go away. I said, he put all
Speaker 4: the stuff on the website, and you can look at
Speaker 4: this stuff to see what actually happened in the judgment
Speaker 4: that he's actually gotten against the government.
Speaker 2: And definitely want to check that out. You know.
Speaker 1: Strangely enough, today's FBI and Department of Justice just this
Speaker 1: past week came out once again and reiterated that Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein did in fact kill himself, and they showed evidence
Speaker 1: that they could show because of course there were problems
Speaker 1: with the video surveillance system at the precise moment when
Speaker 1: this is supposedly you have to occurred. And they're also
Speaker 1: saying that there's no Epstein files. And of course Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 1: the whole reason that he kept track of who was
Speaker 1: on the Lolita Express on Epstein Island was as leveraged
Speaker 1: and possible blackmail material or who knows what money, who
Speaker 1: knows what his motivations were. But in my opinion, because
Speaker 1: Donald Trump won the election last November and a new
Speaker 1: administration was coming in vowing to get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of all these things, if there was any evidence left,
Speaker 1: I believe the FBI, CIA, whomever scrubbed and got rid
Speaker 1: of all this evidence so it was nowhere to be founded.
Speaker 1: As we all heard, there were thousands of pages of
Speaker 1: documents held in New York City that were part of
Speaker 1: the Epstein files supposedly and apparently nothing was there.
Speaker 4: Miraculously, miraculously, I said, guys like Epstein. I said, that's
Speaker 4: that that is their mainmo is that is to hold
Speaker 4: evidence like this. I said, video evidence, written evidence, everything exactly.
Speaker 4: And that's all they've talked about for years, is this
Speaker 4: black book that they has. I said. Even even Julane Maxwell,
Speaker 4: you know, talked about it. It's well known, and now
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, when it's time for it to
Speaker 4: come out, supposedly and now all of a sudden, it
Speaker 4: disappeared and it never existed. I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 4: a classic thing right out of the out of the
Speaker 4: FBI's playbook. I said, I've told people for years. I said.
Speaker 4: Epstein wasn't the first guy that supposedly hung himself in
Speaker 4: his jail cell I said, in this case with the
Speaker 4: Midwest Bank Band, it's it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 4: Once once Richard Lee Guthrie got locked up and he
Speaker 4: was over in Covington. He just said they came to
Speaker 4: him and said because Pete Langen rated him out and
Speaker 4: said told him that he was involved in in these
Speaker 4: the Oklahoma City bombing, the FBI went to him and
Speaker 4: told Guthrie, you're going to get the needle, you know,
Speaker 4: for this, So we don't care what kind of deals
Speaker 4: made with you. You're going to get the needle for what
Speaker 4: happened in Oklahoma City. All of a sudden, he says, okay,
Speaker 4: we'll screw you. He contacted a reporter in LA and
Speaker 4: started talking to him, telling him everything that he's done
Speaker 4: for the FBI, the Secret Service, and the CIO over
Speaker 4: the last ten fifteen years. All of a sudden, the
Speaker 4: next day, he ends up hanging himself in his jail cell, supposedly. So,
Speaker 4: like I said, this isn't something new. I said, this
Speaker 4: is something the FBI has done for years. I said,
Speaker 4: when they want somebody gone, they miraculously hang themselves in
Speaker 4: their jail cell. When they did this to Trina Do
Speaker 4: there were four or five other people that witnessed what happened,
Speaker 4: said that these FBI agents came in and did it.
Speaker 4: All those people of miraculously disappeared either either you know,
Speaker 4: written off and put into a dungeon someplace, either up
Speaker 4: in supermacs, or they're dead. Yeah, So this isn't anything new.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's something the FEDS do all the time.
Speaker 1: How long was it before Lee Harvey Oswald was dead? Oh,
Speaker 1: the assassination of President Kennedy exactly for example, you know,
Speaker 1: and many people will still believe that that was the
Speaker 1: hand of either the FBI, the CIA, or any number
Speaker 1: of organizations that operate in the shadows with the with
Speaker 1: the FBI or CIA's tacit approval, if not participation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes to everything.
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 4: You can even take it to you know, to both,
Speaker 4: not not even just Oswald. I said, go to his brother,
Speaker 4: you know, Bobby, I said, in sixty eight, sixty nine,
Speaker 4: when Sirhan Surrean supposedly killed him, I said, you can
Speaker 4: call conspiracy theory, call it whatever you want. I said,
Speaker 4: the simple thing is it comes down the plane facts.
Speaker 4: The simple fact of the matter is there were more
Speaker 4: gun shots fired from two different directions, front and back.
Speaker 4: I said that Sirhan, Sirhan could have only fired from
Speaker 4: one direction from the front. What about the shots that
Speaker 4: came from the back and that were behind his ear
Speaker 4: and he only had an eight eight shot gun and
Speaker 4: there was over ten or twelve shots that were fired.
Speaker 2: I said, it's simple a magic bullet or a magic
Speaker 2: gun exactly.
Speaker 4: So you know, you call conspiracy theory. I just call
Speaker 4: it simple fact. I said. The facts don't meet anything.
Speaker 4: I said, if you're a cop, any kind of investigator,
Speaker 4: that's what you go by. You know, you can listen
Speaker 4: to people, I said, yeah, what comes out of people's mouths,
Speaker 4: everything's different. You can have two eyewitnesses watch the exact
Speaker 4: same thing and they'll see two different things. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's a known fact. You can't go by eyewitness testimony
Speaker 4: or anything. But you can't dispute the facts. The numbers
Speaker 4: are there. More bullets were fired. It's on tape, and
Speaker 4: it's also in the holes in the wall and the
Speaker 4: holes in the head. I said, you can't fire from
Speaker 4: two different directions. It's that simple.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get back to Oklahoma City and Jesse Trenidou's
Speaker 1: fight to find the truth. Yeah, about what happened to
Speaker 1: his brother. And you say the lawsuits that he has
Speaker 1: already been victorious in against the government, right.
Speaker 4: Ye, several several more than several.
Speaker 1: So why isn't this known in the media. I mean,
Speaker 1: is there a gag order in those settlements or what?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I said, the DOJ comes in and intimidates them, and
Speaker 4: I said, the case in point is, I said, the
Speaker 4: last thing that you've seen on Oklahoma City was a
Speaker 4: special that's done on HBO last year, something about the road,
Speaker 4: the road to Oklahoma City and all that. I said
Speaker 4: that the people behind that was Bob Sands and Katie Curic.
Speaker 4: I said, they contacted me in twenty twenty two and
Speaker 4: Bob Sands wanted me to be interviewed for this thing,
Speaker 4: and he told me what they were doing. He said
Speaker 4: that they actually came to the conclusion that what I
Speaker 4: told trying to do back in ninety five, my version
Speaker 4: of the story about the Midwest Bank bandits and all
Speaker 4: these other people that were involved in Oklahoma City was true,
Speaker 4: and if they were going to do a special about it,
Speaker 4: to put it on HBO. And I told him, I said,
Speaker 4: you're spinning your wheels. It's never going to happen. I said,
Speaker 4: you're going to be able to film it, you'll be
Speaker 4: able to talk about it. I said, it's never going
Speaker 4: to air ever. And I said, if you don't believe me,
Speaker 4: just do it. So he did it, and sure enough
Speaker 4: when it showed when it aired in April of twenty four,
Speaker 4: I looked at it. Not one thing that I mentioned
Speaker 4: the one thing he promised me was going to be
Speaker 4: in this documentary was in there. There's only about seventeen
Speaker 4: seconds mentioned of the Midwest Bank bandits in that theory.
Speaker 4: And I said, and and it glossed over and went
Speaker 4: to something else. So I called Bob and I asked
Speaker 4: him about it, and he told me, he said, we did.
Speaker 4: We filmed it. He said, we had over four and
Speaker 4: a half hours worth of film.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 4: Then when HBO got hold of it, he said, every
Speaker 4: bit of it ended up on the cutting room floor.
Speaker 2: Wow. Now, I'll tell you what. It's a good place
Speaker 2: to stop.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of Matt Monning talking
Speaker 1: about Oklahoma City thirty years on and what we think
Speaker 1: we know and what we most people have no idea
Speaker 1: of on this special Saturday Night cap on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: The views expressed in the.
Speaker 1: Following interview are not necessarily those of this host, the staff,
Speaker 1: management of seven hundred WLW, or its parent company, Heart Media.
Speaker 1: We continue, we are back on this special Saturday night
Speaker 1: night cat Gary, Jeff Walker, and our guests again. In
Speaker 1: this half hour is Matt Mauning, a former undercover City
Speaker 1: Cincinnati police officer, he's a local collector, and he has
Speaker 1: had an acute interest in the Oklahoma City bombing and
Speaker 1: what led up to that in April.
Speaker 2: Of nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1: And gosh, if you miss any of these, make sure
Speaker 1: you check the podcast unless the FBI scrubs it.
Speaker 2: After we're done. So, Matt, welcome back.
Speaker 1: This is not just an opinion, as you say, these
Speaker 1: are not just allegations. It's just not some crazy conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: because you have had personal communication with people who are
Speaker 1: in the FBI, with people who are behind the scenes
Speaker 1: about this operation pat Con the Midwest City Bandits back
Speaker 1: in the early nineties, and it was, as you say,
Speaker 1: an FBI operation to let these informants rob banks and
Speaker 1: then followed the money that they absconded with as they
Speaker 1: were trying to shut down militias around the country, and
Speaker 1: they're funneling this cash and tracking it, so to speak,
Speaker 1: and it all led to the Murror Building, the Murrah
Speaker 1: Federal Building in Oklahoma City that April nineteenth of nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five, when Timothy McVeigh and others unknown were to
Speaker 1: blow up that federal building, kill all those people and
Speaker 1: create a national panic. Really that we were on the
Speaker 1: verge of widespread domestic terrorism in this kind of tree,
Speaker 1: and that the militias had to be shut down to
Speaker 1: stop that. So the local connection is a man named
Speaker 1: Ed Woods.
Speaker 2: You said.
Speaker 4: He was the FBI agent that I dealt with at
Speaker 4: the time. All right, So me being a rookie cop,
Speaker 4: you know, only being on for a year and a half,
Speaker 4: two years, you know, I wasn't supposed to run into
Speaker 4: something like this. So the problem that I had was
Speaker 4: I was going I didn't know any of this stuff
Speaker 4: at the time, but I said I was going after
Speaker 4: Langing and Guthrie. And the reason was because we had
Speaker 4: locked Langing up in November of ninety two. This is
Speaker 4: a summer of ninety three, and I got a girl
Speaker 4: over on Montana Avenue, Sean Kenny's you know girlfriend, and
Speaker 4: her wife that he keeps beating up, telling me that
Speaker 4: her husband, Sean is hanging out with these two guys,
Speaker 4: Langing and Guthrie. And so I went and did what
Speaker 4: they call a six pack and had you know, two
Speaker 4: different id things done, and I had her pick him
Speaker 4: out of a lineup, and she both I mean it
Speaker 4: took her two second and to point them both out.
Speaker 4: So these are the two guys that are training my
Speaker 4: husband on how to rob banks and fake id's and
Speaker 4: do all this other stuff. And I said it's impossible,
Speaker 4: because I said, we locked Langan up, you know, back
Speaker 4: in ninety two. I said, you know, he's he's done.
Speaker 4: I mean, he isn't getting back out. Well I find
Speaker 4: out I've go to find out here that Langan was
Speaker 4: let out of prison. You know, all this stuff just disappeared,
Speaker 4: and he was let out. Apparently the FBI took him
Speaker 4: out of out of prison so that he could help
Speaker 4: them get this Richard Lee Guthrie. Apparently threats were made
Speaker 4: against President Bush and they were trying to get these
Speaker 4: two guys to lock them up. Well, as soon as
Speaker 4: it's George H. W. Bush, Yeah, George h. W. Bush,
Speaker 4: you know, so they were trying to get him to
Speaker 4: do this. So when they got him out, he just
Speaker 4: said the hell with you, and he went on the
Speaker 4: run again and started robbing, you know, banks and pizza
Speaker 4: huts and everything down and down in Georgia. So I
Speaker 4: had a flyer from that summer in ninety three saying
Speaker 4: that Langan's wanted for this robbery of a pizza place
Speaker 4: down in Georgia, and the FBI is telling me I'm crazy,
Speaker 4: you know, I said, well, where is he? I said,
Speaker 4: he's not in prison anymore, so obviously somebody let him out.
Speaker 4: I said, he didn't crawl out the window. And I
Speaker 4: didn't see anything on the news, you know, saying the
Speaker 4: guy escaped. You know, So this is the way they
Speaker 4: do business. They just lie to you. And I said,
Speaker 4: you know, I was a rookie cop at that time,
Speaker 4: you know, twenty something years old, you know, so of course,
Speaker 4: you know you're trying to you're trying to do your job,
Speaker 4: and you know you're just when you're twenty this is different.
Speaker 4: You got a different kind of energy. Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: I didn't like being lied to, especially when the FEDS,
Speaker 4: and especially from someone you know, you're supposed to be
Speaker 4: on the same team. So that's what kept me going
Speaker 4: on it. That's what became a thorn in their side.
Speaker 4: And that's why me and Edi Woods just didn't get
Speaker 4: along because he's lying to him me and I'm proving
Speaker 4: him wrong at every lie. So you know, finally my
Speaker 4: captain and everybody were able to you know, confirm, Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is what happened. They got him out blah blah
Speaker 4: blah for this reason, you know. Okay, so I was
Speaker 4: ordered to let it go, you know, Well I didn't
Speaker 4: let it go, I said, you know, I still kept
Speaker 4: putting evidence together on what these guys were doing. Now,
Speaker 4: the money on these bank robberies, you know, started showing
Speaker 4: up down in Miami Town, you know, where Sean Kenny live.
Speaker 4: So all the red stained bills that he was supposed
Speaker 4: to get rid of off some of these robberies he
Speaker 4: was using for gas to buy pizza, you know, and
Speaker 4: everything else down in Miami Town.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: So I went down and got a whole bunch of
Speaker 4: those you know, gave him my twenty bucks for their
Speaker 4: twenty bucks, you know, you know, put it in evidence,
Speaker 4: you know, and just and tried to do it that way.
Speaker 4: But like I said, the whole time, you know, I
Speaker 4: was called over to the FBI officers to talk to
Speaker 4: Eddie Woods at least three or four different times. Apparently
Speaker 4: that never happened because when the reporters and that looked
Speaker 4: into it and went and got the FBI logs and everything,
Speaker 4: the signing sheets and everything else, all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: now I'm nowhere to be found in these signing sheets,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: So well, did you hallucinate this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, apparently I dreamt it up. Yeah, apparently I
Speaker 4: dreamt it so oh okay, Yeah, you met with him personally, Yes,
Speaker 4: I met with him personally. In fact, I met with him.
Speaker 4: I met with a whole bunch of them. I met
Speaker 4: Larry Haas, I met a whole bunch of the guys,
Speaker 4: CIA Secret Service, everybody. And in fact, what caused a
Speaker 4: big rockets was when I took my files over there
Speaker 4: and I had it laying on the table, when I
Speaker 4: had an address in Covington, you know, and Mainstraws you know,
Speaker 4: listed on the file. And one of the agents saw
Speaker 4: that that file and all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 4: Eddie Woods grabs a file and all of them goes
Speaker 4: storming out of the office and everything. Well it turns
Speaker 4: out that address was a CIA safehouse over in Covington.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: And they were furious, and I had this address, you know,
Speaker 4: and they wanted to know why, you know, and like
Speaker 4: I said, sort of cooperation, I mean just kind of
Speaker 4: quit after that, you know, I mean, they're contacting my
Speaker 4: captain and blah blah blah. And that's what my captain
Speaker 4: told me under no circumstances, said you need to leave
Speaker 4: this alone and just let it go, you know, So
Speaker 4: I kind of just put it in the back burner then.
Speaker 4: So what I found out was after that they had
Speaker 4: hidden Sean Kenny in the US military. So they had
Speaker 4: to find a way to pay Sean Kenny. You know, this,
Speaker 4: this nutbag that they have is a is a conformant,
Speaker 4: and the way for them to pay him and take
Speaker 4: care of him because he had a disabled kid, was
Speaker 4: to put him into the military. Now, this is a
Speaker 4: guy that has Nazi tattoos up and down, all his arms,
Speaker 4: on his back everywhere. They put him into a predominantly
Speaker 4: black unit down in South Carolina or North Carolina, And
Speaker 4: I said, and they pay to have all these tattoos removed.
Speaker 4: You know, during the course of this, right he's in
Speaker 4: the military, he rises to the ranks of you know,
Speaker 4: like E seven, e eight within a matter of a
Speaker 4: couple of years, which is it's it's it's that that
Speaker 4: doesn't happen exactly, it doesn't happen unless you have someone
Speaker 4: pushing this and doing it, you know. So he's rising
Speaker 4: up the ranks. And not only that, during the time
Speaker 4: he's in I said, he gets accused of molesting his niece.
Speaker 4: And I said, so, when you're in a military and
Speaker 4: you get accused of molessed than a twelve year old
Speaker 4: or eleven year old, however old she was, I said, said,
Speaker 4: it doesn't end up well for you. You know, it's it's
Speaker 4: usually called dishonorable when you know you're you're showing the door. Well, no,
Speaker 4: this guy just keeps moving up the ranks and everything
Speaker 4: and then ends up retiring. But the reason they do
Speaker 4: it is because they have to pay him somehow. And
Speaker 4: the easiest way to pay him is put him into
Speaker 4: the military. Now, only now he's got insurance for him
Speaker 4: and his family and everything else, and then they can
Speaker 4: pay whatever they need to pay Hi while he's in
Speaker 4: the military. And then you know, you know, there's like
Speaker 4: this is one of the Midwest city bandits. Yeah, this
Speaker 4: is one of the Midwest bank bandits. Well, and and
Speaker 4: when all this went down, I said, you know, finally,
Speaker 4: after three or four years, you know, city beat Leslie
Speaker 4: Blade was a reporter. She was able to dig into
Speaker 4: all this and she wrote some articles back then about it.
Speaker 4: And she's the one that wrote the article about you know,
Speaker 4: Kenny and his rise through the through the ranks and
Speaker 4: the military, and you know, the charges against his niece
Speaker 4: and everything else that went on, and how this was
Speaker 4: all just covered up. And when you go out to
Speaker 4: the unit out here in Roseln that he was out
Speaker 4: of the reserve unit and everything, and you went out
Speaker 4: and talked to them and tried to find anything about
Speaker 4: they just totally shut the mouth about it. They won't
Speaker 4: even talk about Sean Kenny or you know, how he
Speaker 4: rose up through the ranks, and you know, and all
Speaker 4: this I mean, and and and it's it's just and
Speaker 4: like I said, it goes back to what I told you.
Speaker 4: I said, numbers don't lie the way he moved up
Speaker 4: to the rank that he's at. No, numerically doesn't work
Speaker 4: in between ranks. You have two year weights, three year weights,
Speaker 4: four year weights.
Speaker 1: Anybody, anybody in the military listening, you will probably attend.
Speaker 4: It just isn't possible, you know. So and then after
Speaker 4: the military and at well, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: you know, Eddie Woods, I guess helped Sean Kenny get
Speaker 4: into like all these units like Blackwater, these contracting units
Speaker 4: all through the two thousands and the teens, you know
Speaker 4: where you know, you're going overseas and you're and you're
Speaker 4: working for different things. Well, he worked in like Afghanistan
Speaker 4: and a few places like that, and apparently, you know
Speaker 4: it was involved in some stuff, you know, where the
Speaker 4: hotels got you know, bombed and blown up and attacked.
Speaker 4: And now basically, you know, he's here back here in
Speaker 4: the Tri State, you know, sue and sueing everybody, trying
Speaker 4: to get disability pay and everything else, you know, for
Speaker 4: what happened to him while he was you know, in
Speaker 4: these contracting units.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a remarkable story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he hasn't gone away. In fact, he still lives
Speaker 4: in my backyard.
Speaker 1: And again, the reason that you say this is important,
Speaker 1: Matt Monting, is because he was part of that that
Speaker 1: team of FBI, CIA, whatever informants, paid informants who were
Speaker 1: paid to rob banks. They got away with it, and
Speaker 1: then the FBI or whichever agency followed the money and
Speaker 1: hoping to shut down these militias.
Speaker 2: That led up to Timothy McVay. Who was Timothy mcveiy.
Speaker 2: Who was he?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, if you believe what they what they wrote,
Speaker 4: I mean, he was just your average you know, American citizen.
Speaker 4: I mean he was. Basically, his life is almost like mine.
Speaker 4: I said. You know, back at that time in ninety two,
Speaker 4: the economy was terrible, you know, and you couldn't find
Speaker 4: a job doing anything. He didn't want to follow what
Speaker 4: his parents did working in the car industries and everything
Speaker 4: and doing what he was doing, and he decided to
Speaker 4: join the military, you know, same as I did. I said.
Speaker 4: You know, my parents weren't rich. We didn't have a
Speaker 4: ton of money. I said, you know, I really didn't
Speaker 4: know what I wanted to do with my life, I said.
Speaker 4: So finally, after a year and a half at UC
Speaker 4: you know, taking all the basic courts you need to take,
Speaker 4: I just decided to join the military to pay for everything,
Speaker 4: you know. And at that time, they had a good
Speaker 4: program called a CEE college program where you only had
Speaker 4: to go in for two years active duty and then
Speaker 4: four years in the reserves.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: So I did my two years active duty in the
Speaker 4: Persian golf, you know, came home and everything was paid for,
Speaker 4: you know. So that's basically what McVeigh did. You know.
Speaker 4: He wasn't to see college program, but he went in
Speaker 4: the military as as a way to try to find himself.
Speaker 4: And you know, in the process ended up losing himself,
Speaker 4: you know, and came out and got discaruntled and then
Speaker 4: started running around with all these militias, right you know.
Speaker 4: And he was actually he was actually at Waco. You know,
Speaker 4: he was at Waco, you know, when that siege was
Speaker 4: going on, you know, passing out bumper stickers and everything else,
Speaker 4: you know. I mean it's a well known fact. I mean,
Speaker 4: he looked like it ain't documentary on mcday, you know,
Speaker 4: and it delves into what happened, you know. So then
Speaker 4: he got involved in all these militias and everything, and
Speaker 4: the next thing, you know, you know, he's the prime
Speaker 4: guy for you know, Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1: They you know, they because he asked for a speedy
Speaker 1: execution when he was convicted, they did take care of him.
Speaker 1: Terry Nichols, as you mentioned earlier in last half hour,
Speaker 1: is in supermacs and is not allowed to talk to anybody.
Speaker 1: And the FBI now says at some points there's no
Speaker 1: John Doe number two in the Oklahoma City No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they insist that there's there was never a John
Speaker 4: Doe number two.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, how do you go from
Speaker 4: there is a John Doe number two, and you kill
Speaker 4: somebody over it. I said too, there never was a
Speaker 4: John Doe number two.
Speaker 2: Jesse Trindo's brother. Yeah, it was John Donuts.
Speaker 4: He was John Doe number two, and that caused a
Speaker 4: thirty year chaos. He's been a thorn in the FBI
Speaker 4: side for thirty years, seeing them every year over different things.
Speaker 4: And the problem is is I told Jesse, I said,
Speaker 4: you in, Jesse, and you get a judgment. Okay, he's
Speaker 4: been fighting these Foyer requests. You know, we're requesting different
Speaker 4: things that he knows is there. You know, the government
Speaker 4: comes down, they side with Jesse and they say you're right,
Speaker 4: and they order the government to produce you know, five
Speaker 4: or ten thousand dollars five or ten thousand pages a month,
Speaker 4: you know, whatever it is, or it might have been
Speaker 4: a week. They said, you have to produce five thousand
Speaker 4: pages a week because there's like well over two or
Speaker 4: three hundred thousand pages that he's supposed to get. So
Speaker 4: they said, you produce five thousand pages a week. How
Speaker 4: many pages a week do you think the guy gets two?
Speaker 2: That's not five thousand, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: So you know, you waste five you waste five years
Speaker 4: of your time trying to get this done on a
Speaker 4: foyer request. You get a judgment against them, and they're
Speaker 4: supposed to do something, and then the FBI just flaunched
Speaker 4: the judgment as usual. You know, they don't care. And
Speaker 4: I said, and they're doing it because the guys eight.
Speaker 4: Now the guy's eighty years old. They've been stringing him
Speaker 4: along for thirty years. Now, the guy's eighty something years old,
Speaker 4: and they're just hoping and praying that he dies on
Speaker 4: his own.
Speaker 2: He just wants the truth to come out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just wants the truth to come out. As
Speaker 4: far as what they did to his brother, you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's a shame. And if you actually
Speaker 4: look up at his websites and you see it he produced,
Speaker 4: he put all the pictures online. You look for yourself
Speaker 4: and look at the condition of his body and the
Speaker 4: condition of this jail cell, and then look at what happened.
Speaker 4: I said, you know, it's it's just insane.
Speaker 2: Can you, once again, just for people's edification who are
Speaker 2: interested in want to go there, give me the website
Speaker 2: again the best of your memory. Believe it's w w W.
Speaker 4: And there there's a couple of Jesse trying to do
Speaker 4: dot com. It's j E S s E t r
Speaker 4: E n t A d u E dot com or
Speaker 4: Kenny trying to do dot com. That's the big one
Speaker 4: I think is is w W W Kenny trying to
Speaker 4: do t r E n t A d u E
Speaker 4: dot com. If you go to that one, I believe
Speaker 4: that's the website where he has all thirty years of
Speaker 4: what he's done, you know, listed where you can, you know,
Speaker 4: just click on it. You know, you want the interview
Speaker 4: he did in nineteen ninety seven with somebody. He's got
Speaker 4: it on there. All this stuff is on there. You
Speaker 4: can go through it. But I said, the big thing
Speaker 4: is just go to the website and look at the
Speaker 4: pictures first, you know, scroll through that. You find the pictures,
Speaker 4: look at the pictures of his body, and look at
Speaker 4: what the government says happened versus the pictures that you're
Speaker 4: looking at.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. The first time you kind
Speaker 1: of brought this to me, that's been several years ago.
Speaker 1: You came to visit me and you were telling me
Speaker 1: about what was done to you and how it all
Speaker 1: related to Oklahoma City. I was just kind of eyeing
Speaker 1: it with skepticism because.
Speaker 2: I didn't know all of this. Yeah, and I'm a.
Speaker 1: Lot more convinced now that there is so much truth
Speaker 1: out there that most people do not know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't just I mean, it wasn't just the
Speaker 4: Oklahoma City thing I said. I mean, they came after
Speaker 4: for a million different reasons. I was going after dirty cops.
Speaker 4: You know, when you're an undercover cop, you're not supposed
Speaker 4: to be investigating other cops. You ain't supposed to be
Speaker 4: going after other cops and dealing dope and you know,
Speaker 4: running girls and everything else.
Speaker 2: Well, unless you're in an internal affairs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, well exactly, I said. You know, I mean,
Speaker 4: the whole system is corrupt from top to bottom.
Speaker 2: Well, made a compelling case for me tonight.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who is listening if it worked
Speaker 1: for them, But check out the websites that Matt talked about.
Speaker 1: And thanks for coming in man, no problem, very very
Speaker 1: interesting stuff. And if all of it is true, then
Speaker 1: we really don't know who's running this country. And you know,
Speaker 1: and can we really have faith in law enforcement, especially
Speaker 1: federal law enforcement at that level of what happened back
Speaker 1: in the nineties and the two thousands. Matt Mauning is
Speaker 1: our guest tonight, and I appreciate you checking it out
Speaker 1: and tuneing in. There's more Nightcap ahead on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: Hang on, Welcome back to the Nightcap, a special Saturday
Speaker 1: night nightcap at seven hundred WLW. And in this segment,
Speaker 1: we're talking to Shaz Khan, who is overseas. He's hanging
Speaker 1: out in Switzerland these days, London born, and she has
Speaker 1: spent a whole lot of time researching the timeline of vaccines.
Speaker 1: Thus the book The Ultimate Vaccine Timeline of fact packed
Speaker 1: history of vaccines and their makers. And so we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk shots here for a and you know what,
Speaker 1: a lot of people talk shots on Saturday night, they're
Speaker 1: usually not vaccines, but we're talking shots tonight.
Speaker 2: Shaws, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 6: Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you bet.
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Speaker 1: have number one shows, When did you become just fascinated
Speaker 1: with learning all about vaccines?
Speaker 5: So it started for me in twenty fifteen, so ten
Speaker 5: years ago, after my father passed away two months after
Speaker 5: his flu vaccines. And I'm not a parent, I'm not
Speaker 5: a scientist, I'm not a medical professional, to make that clear.
Speaker 6: So vaccines weren't on my radar whatsoever.
Speaker 5: But after that incident and how I observed him basically
Speaker 5: degrade in the hospital, which is he was diagnosed with
Speaker 5: stage four lung cancer, but he was in hospital with
Speaker 5: neurological symptoms, and I just found out a bit confusing
Speaker 5: and didn't quite understand why. And when I found out
Speaker 5: he'd received the food vaccine because obviously wasn't living within
Speaker 5: the times I found out after he died, it just
Speaker 5: like a light bulb went over my head and I said, oh,
Speaker 5: in a minute, if he was that close to death
Speaker 5: with a stage four cancer, why was he getting the
Speaker 5: flu vaccine anyway? Because I understood that you never give
Speaker 5: a vaccine if someone has an infection or if they're
Speaker 5: sick or compromise, especially not a foo vaccine. And the
Speaker 5: first thing I did was look at the package insert
Speaker 5: and was quite horrified to find out neurological symptoms are
Speaker 5: actually quite acknowledged. And I found out later the flu
Speaker 5: vaccine is probably the most compensated vaccine injury in the
Speaker 5: US under the vaccine Injury Compensation program.
Speaker 6: I can give you a figure here.
Speaker 5: I believe that there have been ten thousand filed injuries
Speaker 5: with six thousand compensated six thousand, five hundred compensated since
Speaker 5: the nineteen eighty eight, which is when the program actually begun.
Speaker 5: So and that's just the lucky people who actually make
Speaker 5: it that for that just started me asking questions and
Speaker 5: then I dug deeper, and the more I dug, the
Speaker 5: more I fell into information. And I went to the library,
Speaker 5: to National Archives to get information because that's what I
Speaker 5: wanted to find out was what government authorities in classified
Speaker 5: documents might have written and what the actual research was
Speaker 5: showing on a historical levels.
Speaker 1: Well, we do have we do have laws in this
Speaker 1: country which protect vaccine makers from legal liability, and so
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's a good reason for that other
Speaker 1: than big pharma paying lawmakers off to pass laws to
Speaker 1: protect their vaccine making. Now you've gone back through I
Speaker 1: mean hundreds of years of the development of vaccines and
Speaker 1: the like. In the book you cover the history of
Speaker 1: vaccine development, so kind of explain if you would, and
Speaker 1: kind of a thumbnail that.
Speaker 6: So I go back as early as I could find,
Speaker 6: like the first.
Speaker 5: Definition of bario, which is the word we use for
Speaker 5: small punks, which actually was assessed by a Swiss guy,
Speaker 5: a Swiss bishop in five seventy eighty. But basically the
Speaker 5: first types of vaccination as we understand that today were
Speaker 5: actually variolation, so that was specifically with small polks, and
Speaker 5: it was believed to be origin in China, and it
Speaker 5: was where they would take dried scabs.
Speaker 6: From small pocks pistols.
Speaker 5: And they would scrape that into a powder and either
Speaker 5: blow it up the nose or scrape it into the
Speaker 5: skin on like an artificial open wound. And that was
Speaker 5: quite dangerous that it had risks in itself because it
Speaker 5: could transmit infections and the obviousine never knew. There was
Speaker 5: no purification back in those days. But that was a
Speaker 5: tradition that was spread from China to Asia and that
Speaker 5: eventually arrived in the UK and in the US, and
Speaker 5: it was soon replaced by Jenner so Edward Jenner, who
Speaker 5: was the person the doctor who is credited with small
Speaker 5: box vaccination when in seventeen ninety eight he vaccinated his
Speaker 5: neighbor's son exposed into small pox. He didn't get smallpox,
Speaker 5: but he used cowpox. Didn't use small box, he used
Speaker 5: cowpoxcuse at the time there was a folk tale that
Speaker 5: people who milkmates didn't get small box right.
Speaker 6: And that was the first.
Speaker 5: And then obviously we had Pastor, so that we Pastor
Speaker 5: the French chemist who then developed rabies in color vaccine.
Speaker 5: There was a bit of a more development obviously in
Speaker 5: bacteriology those days they were using microscopes, they had a
Speaker 5: bit more of an idea of what they were doing,
Speaker 5: but still they couldn't see viruses. They still had no
Speaker 5: way of purifying. And then we had toxoid vaccines that
Speaker 5: came quite rapidly the US in yellow fever. Sorry, so
Speaker 5: live vaccines and live viral vaccines. Toxoid came, so those
Speaker 5: inactivated toxins the bacteria, first ones being dicteria and tetanus.
Speaker 5: Then at developed we had influenza vaccines that were developed.
Speaker 5: They weren't given to civilians, but mainly for army troops.
Speaker 5: It was also tetanus. Sorry, I said tetanus, and then
Speaker 5: we had the first triple vaccine, so difterior tetanus protussis
Speaker 5: hooping cuff were put together in one vaccine in the
Speaker 5: late nineteen forties.
Speaker 6: Protessis did already exist.
Speaker 5: Alone in the nineteen fourteen. We'd like to believe that
Speaker 5: it actually came later, but it didn't. It was actually
Speaker 5: quite early, and it was quite neurologically, had neurological complications,
Speaker 5: so they quickly combined it with the dt shot so
Speaker 5: you could only get it with DTP, all right, And
Speaker 5: we had measles.
Speaker 1: Sir, no, no, it's so yeah, you're on a roll.
Speaker 1: Don't let me stop you. So measles is where we're at.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I should have said polio first, because polio was before.
Speaker 6: Measles in the mid nineteen fifties.
Speaker 5: The nineteen fifty four was the SULK Polio trials, an
Speaker 5: inactivated viral vaccine that was one of the first massive
Speaker 5: clinical trials, well clinical field trials, so it was tested
Speaker 5: on a thousand kids and pregnant.
Speaker 6: Women some of them.
Speaker 5: And then in nineteen fifty five, the vaccine, the soul
Speaker 5: in estimatey polyo vaccine was administered two millions of people worldwide.
Speaker 6: That was in nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 5: So at that time cell culture methods were making it
Speaker 5: easier to make vaccines and now having to use all
Speaker 5: with live animals because in new work with a virus
Speaker 5: and the living cells. Then we had measles in nineteen
Speaker 5: sixty three. That came quickly followed by rubella mumps. Then
Speaker 5: the next big thing was the triple live viral vaccine.
Speaker 6: Which is MMR souss wan Trabella.
Speaker 5: And then when about the time that this National Vaccine sorry,
Speaker 5: National Childhoo Vaccine Injury Act came about in nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 5: those were the main vaccines on the schedule, so there's
Speaker 5: only about seven vaccines given before the age of six.
Speaker 6: At that time.
Speaker 5: And then very quickly after the pharmacolical industry were given
Speaker 5: full liability for their products, there was a lot of
Speaker 5: development in combining vaccines.
Speaker 6: We had nineteen eighty one with the first.
Speaker 5: Hepatitis B vaccine, so the first cancer vaccine, if you will,
Speaker 5: which was followed in nineteen eighty six by the first recombinant.
Speaker 6: Genetically modified vaccine which was titis.
Speaker 5: BE as well that replaced the previous version which was
Speaker 5: based off plasma. There was a lot of concern that
Speaker 5: the plasma could contaminate with HIV or with other infections,
Speaker 5: so they avoided using blood and so that would open
Speaker 5: the field for genetically a lot of white vaccines. So
Speaker 5: the first one of the said society is being nineteen
Speaker 5: eighty six, so in the same year as the Child's
Speaker 5: Vaccine Injury Compensation Act, and from there basically the number
Speaker 5: of vaccines tripled on the mandates in the US, also
Speaker 5: in the world.
Speaker 6: In Switzerland we don't.
Speaker 5: Have mandates, but we still have a lot of pressure
Speaker 5: from the government to get them.
Speaker 6: There's also some subsidies to.
Speaker 5: Certain companies sorry certain crushed schools to get them. And
Speaker 5: from there, basically genetic engineering took over and the biotech industry,
Speaker 5: I would say, took over the kind of development of vaccines,
Speaker 5: and pretty much all of them since then have some
Speaker 5: form of genetically engineered patentable aspect. So the HIP vaccine
Speaker 5: which came into that pneumococcle first version came out in seventies,
Speaker 5: but the version these currently came out in the eighties nineties.
Speaker 5: Even meningitis vaccines HBB that came out in two thousand
Speaker 5: and six, which was completely was a virus like particle,
Speaker 5: so it wasn't even the wild virus used in the vaccine.
Speaker 5: It was completely genetically modified using yeast, which was a
Speaker 5: very good way for them to get.
Speaker 6: A genetic component into the vaccine.
Speaker 5: And fast forward to today where we have mRNA technology
Speaker 5: presented as vaccines when it was more understood as a
Speaker 5: kind of genetic therapy, and pretty much the vaccine makers
Speaker 5: are focusing and putting all their energy today in the
Speaker 5: mRNA and genetic vaccines because that's where the most profit is.
Speaker 5: I would say it's the cheapest production for them, and
Speaker 5: it's very easy for them to update a code. For instance,
Speaker 5: roustine with COVID vaccines a new variant, they could just
Speaker 5: update the type of proteins, but they wanted your cell
Speaker 5: to produce, and they would just change the code using
Speaker 5: a computer. I want to make this very clear. It
Speaker 5: is not using any live cells or you know, the
Speaker 5: actual virus itself. It's it's using a computer bioinformatics to
Speaker 5: generate a code which they can put into the mRNA vaccines.
Speaker 5: And that's where we're at today. Right kind of technology
Speaker 5: is inside of the future.
Speaker 1: So well, again, I'm not one of those people who
Speaker 1: are sold on mRNA vaccines. I don't think that there's
Speaker 1: been enough, nearly enough testing. I remember you talked about
Speaker 1: looking at the insert for your father's flu vaccine. Shocked
Speaker 1: to find out that they would have even given him that,
Speaker 1: considering his advanced cancer situation and him dying shortly after
Speaker 1: getting that injection.
Speaker 2: Shows.
Speaker 1: But a medical professional told me when the first COVID
Speaker 1: vaccines rolled out, the mRNAs he was speaking of, you
Speaker 1: looked on the insert and there was nothing on the insert.
Speaker 2: They were giving people.
Speaker 1: These vaccines at the rollout and there's nothing on the insert,
Speaker 1: no indications, No, you know, contradictory kind of things were listed.
Speaker 1: I mean, how can these people in good conscience be
Speaker 1: giving patients a vaccine without full consent and without anything
Speaker 1: on the inside the insert.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was quite interesting when you see people actually
Speaker 5: take out the insert because they bothered actually to put
Speaker 5: a fat piece of white paper that just says that
Speaker 5: this is intentionally left blank.
Speaker 6: I mean, why bother putting a piece of paper in
Speaker 6: the first place, Ship to ask yourself.
Speaker 5: But it was the emergency authorization that allowed them to
Speaker 5: roll out this vaccine without what they would usually do
Speaker 5: with testing, which is at least two years of studies.
Speaker 5: It was only released after two months of safety studies.
Speaker 5: It was again, I would say, the reason why they
Speaker 5: could do that because of the emergency use authorization, because
Speaker 5: we were in an active pandemic.
Speaker 6: For them, it was the only tool they had in
Speaker 6: the toolbox.
Speaker 5: They were saying, obviously there were no treatments available, so
Speaker 5: vaccines were the only thing that would allow us to
Speaker 5: get back to normal. And this they told us since
Speaker 5: twenty twenties and early on, before they'd even really started
Speaker 5: the clinical trials and humans right.
Speaker 2: That was the other thing is that.
Speaker 1: I smelled a rat early on, and I just I
Speaker 1: essued taking any of the mRNA vaccines. To this day,
Speaker 1: I still have not, and my wife followed suit. I
Speaker 1: guess we were among the thirty percent of Americans who
Speaker 1: did not get vaccinated for protection against COVID nineteen. And
Speaker 1: you know, there were so many things about the epidemic
Speaker 1: and the rollout of the vaccines afterwards that just were
Speaker 1: red flags to me. So I was skeptical, and I
Speaker 1: wish more Americans had been skeptical because of the injuries
Speaker 1: we have seen that have ensued in the last three
Speaker 1: to four years after taking the mRNA shots. What do
Speaker 1: you know about injury reports and adverse e VECs reports
Speaker 1: from your research.
Speaker 6: In general or specifically COVID vaccine.
Speaker 1: Well, we can start with in general, but with COVID
Speaker 1: more specifically two parter I.
Speaker 5: Guess okay, I'll start with COVID first because it's the
Speaker 5: most recent, right. What is interesting with COVID is is,
Speaker 5: as you said, we've born customers or clients, whatever you
Speaker 5: want to call us. We're not informed of potential side
Speaker 5: effects before we took the vaccine. We're told you inflammation
Speaker 5: of the injection side, a little bit of fever.
Speaker 6: This is all normal.
Speaker 5: It's a sign that your body is mounting immune response,
Speaker 5: vaccine is working. That was the narrative that everybody had,
Speaker 5: I think worldwide.
Speaker 6: Switzerland included.
Speaker 5: Now when you look into the FDA and the CDC documentation,
Speaker 5: we CONCI already in October twenty twenty that THO was
Speaker 5: a preliminary sorry list of bears SO Vaccine Adverse Events
Speaker 5: Reporting System Adverse Events a special interest, which included COVID
Speaker 5: disease death, Gillian Bari Gilain Barre syndrome, which is neurological uh,
Speaker 5: very much like polio actually about very similar and all
Speaker 5: kinds of other neurological problems including acute disseminating sepalma, myelitis
Speaker 5: and birth myelitis, optic neurritis, mylitis and cephalopathy and enjoyed
Speaker 5: as seizeus convulsions, stroke and arcolepsy, ultoimmune disease, anaphylaxis, acute
Speaker 5: myocardial infraction, myocarditis, perry cardism from both sideopenia. The list
Speaker 5: goes on, and this.
Speaker 1: Shows could you imagine if they'd had to include that
Speaker 1: in all of the COVID vaccine commercials that we were
Speaker 1: exposed to constantly. Oh yeah, by the way, you're you
Speaker 1: could be dead and your head will fall off.
Speaker 2: But no, they didn't do that.
Speaker 1: They do that with all these other pharmaceutical because half
Speaker 1: the AD is the adverse effects that could possibly befall
Speaker 1: you in case you take this medication.
Speaker 2: But anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 5: But it's different because that the Farmers Supercompany was paying
Speaker 5: for that AD. Well's what we saw for COVID was
Speaker 5: like a public service announcement, announcement paid by the government,
Speaker 5: so they weren't obliged to do the same kind of
Speaker 5: listing of side effects at the end of the ad
Speaker 5: where they speak really fast and with them they didn't
Speaker 5: have to the public service announcement, So we can see
Speaker 5: that there were already this prilminary list of vaccine adverse
Speaker 5: events a special interests that weren't communicated.
Speaker 3: To the public.
Speaker 5: They were supposed to be monitoring them from the get go,
Speaker 5: but they weren't. And does anybody who knows vaccines in
Speaker 5: general knows this vaccine adverse reporting system. It doesn't capture
Speaker 5: by all means, like the majority of the cases that
Speaker 5: actually occur.
Speaker 6: There was actually a study that was done by the
Speaker 6: name Escapes Me, but the.
Speaker 5: Pilgrim study from Harvard wasn't Harvard University but an institution
Speaker 5: associated with Harvard, who said that vaccine adverse events they're
Speaker 5: lucky one.
Speaker 6: Percent that are reported.
Speaker 5: So we know that there's an underreporting factor that is massive,
Speaker 5: because which doctor is going to want to spend thirty
Speaker 5: minutes to fill out a form, which is what it takes.
Speaker 5: And most people don't even know about this reporting system,
Speaker 5: so they won't go and do it themselves. What I
Speaker 5: could say the authority did correctly at least here in
Speaker 5: switzlundas trying to sensitize people to this vaccine adverse reporting
Speaker 5: system that they know was underpowered in general, and make
Speaker 5: it easier. But the easy form only came out three
Speaker 5: months into the vaccine campaign, so any injuries in the
Speaker 5: first three months weren't captured. And we know now from
Speaker 5: documents that have been released under the Freedom of Information
Speaker 5: Act that they already knew in February of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 5: And then I'm saying Pfizer here specifically knew of the
Speaker 5: severe adverse events that were touching all ages that were
Speaker 5: getting vaccinated. It wasn't just the elderly people, who they
Speaker 5: could then say, well, they were sick anyway, or they
Speaker 5: had mobidities. It's kind of like a double standard because
Speaker 5: when it was COVID, everyone was like, you know, we
Speaker 5: had to lock down to protect our elderly population, But
Speaker 5: when they're dying after.
Speaker 6: The vaccine, it's okay because I would have died anyway.
Speaker 6: That was kind of the speech that we had here
Speaker 6: in Switzerland.
Speaker 5: But already in February, Piser in there anybody could get
Speaker 5: this report online.
Speaker 6: Relative Analysis of post Authorization at versus rent supports.
Speaker 5: There was already one thy two hundred and twenty three
Speaker 5: fatalities that we reported. So this is very concerning, and
Speaker 5: the fact that they didn't communicate this to the public
Speaker 5: is also very concerning. But again, they would have killed
Speaker 5: the whole vaccination program if they had told.
Speaker 6: People about these risks, because most people at this.
Speaker 5: Point knew that COVID wasn't you know, a bad, bad
Speaker 5: flu and obviously for some people to be very dangerous,
Speaker 5: but no one's going to want to risk a death.
Speaker 5: No vaccine that might protect against severe disease but doesn't
Speaker 5: protect against transmission.
Speaker 6: Because I saw's the other thing.
Speaker 5: We were told that we have to take this vaccine
Speaker 5: to protect other people. Yes, but it came out this
Speaker 5: was never actually studied in the clinical trials.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Listen, I am sorry to cut you short. I know
Speaker 1: you're you're taking time, you're you're in Switzerland, but it's
Speaker 1: great to have you. I want to remind people of
Speaker 1: the book The Ultimate Vaccine Timeline if you want to
Speaker 1: really find out just facts, not theories, just the wraw
Speaker 1: data in the facts.
Speaker 2: She has taken the time.
Speaker 1: To do the research and to put them in this book,
Speaker 1: The Ultimate Vaccine Timeline of fact packed history of vaccines
Speaker 1: in their makers.
Speaker 2: Look for it.
Speaker 1: Shas Khan, thank you so much for your time and
Speaker 1: thank you for your research. I tell you what almost
Speaker 1: every day and it doesn't make me feel any better,
Speaker 1: but every day I feel more and more vindicated that
Speaker 1: I decided to opt out.
Speaker 6: Now I'm very glad that you and your wife did so.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for.
Speaker 2: Having me Gary, you bet, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Shas Khan with us on the Nightcap Brian Reisinger coming
Speaker 1: up next on Family Farms in America in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five special Saturday Nightcap here on seven hundred WLW. Having
Speaker 1: a good time so far, I hope you are too,
Speaker 1: And up next we're going to talk about life on
Speaker 1: the farm twenty twenty five and beyond a little bit
Speaker 1: with our guest Brian Reisinger, who we've had on the
Speaker 1: show before in the night Caps before. He grew up
Speaker 1: in a family farm in Sauk County, Wisconsin, telling the
Speaker 1: stories of rural America in his book Land Rich, Cash Poor,
Speaker 1: My Family's Hope and the Untold History of the Disappearing
Speaker 1: American Farmer.
Speaker 2: He splits his.
Speaker 1: Time between California and the family farm in southern Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: He lives with his wife and daughter.
Speaker 1: Serves as president and chief content officer of Midwest based
Speaker 1: Platform Communications, and tonight he's communicating with us about, well,
Speaker 1: what's going on in the life of the average American
Speaker 1: farmer today as it specifically regards having help on the farm,
Speaker 1: and what the immigration crackdown has done or maybe has
Speaker 1: not done two farmers in this country, and why President
Speaker 1: Trump has recently echoed the fact that he wants the
Speaker 1: farmers to have the help they need and so there
Speaker 1: may be exceptions made for people who are undocumented or
Speaker 1: illegal in this country and what that means for the
Speaker 1: American farmer.
Speaker 2: Brian, Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: How are you hey, it's going to be with you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Had great fourth last week?
Speaker 3: I hope, Oh I did. We were with the family
Speaker 3: in Wisconsin, which is all I ever want. So I'm
Speaker 3: a simple man, simple needs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How do you adjust to California after being from Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you it's not a place in Wisconsin Farmbow
Speaker 3: I ever expected to set foot. But it's the things
Speaker 3: we do for love with my wife, to be near
Speaker 3: her family, and I'll tell you it is incredibly beautiful
Speaker 3: farm country out here that we live among, and I
Speaker 3: love driving to the farm country and talking with people
Speaker 3: about solutions not only in Wisconsin, but California and neverwhere
Speaker 3: in between. So a little bit of an unexpected blessing
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 1: Just this past week, Brian More detailed about the crackdown
Speaker 1: on foreign owned entities, especially countries that are not friendly
Speaker 1: to United States, like communists China for example, about buying farmland.
Speaker 1: There is a renewed call and effort to keep those
Speaker 1: people from owning the great treasure that is America's farm lands.
Speaker 2: An he takes on that, I'll.
Speaker 3: Tell you that is one of the most crucial issues
Speaker 3: that we could be zeroing in out in terms of
Speaker 3: an issue where there is a policy fix and I
Speaker 3: don't know of a more serious apartment in terms of
Speaker 3: the amount of things that it affects. It affects our
Speaker 3: national security on top of our basic food security. If
Speaker 3: foreign adversaries can get their hands on our farmland, they're
Speaker 3: getting their hands on our food supply, and they're destabilizing
Speaker 3: as that would be. And they're also buying this land
Speaker 3: close to military installations, and you know, there's really the
Speaker 3: solution is to make sure that there's not only a
Speaker 3: prohibition against foreign adversaries buying American farmland, but also that
Speaker 3: there's transparency because it can be hard to figure out
Speaker 3: that this company or that company. You've got shell companies
Speaker 3: here and there, you know, all chased back to the
Speaker 3: Chinese Communist Party. But if we can do that and
Speaker 3: have that transparency, then individual landowners can make good decisions.
Speaker 3: And the other big thing is if we can save
Speaker 3: more of our family farms. It's a guard against that
Speaker 3: as well, because a whole bunch of small individual landowners
Speaker 3: like my dad, you know, it's a hell of a
Speaker 3: lot harder to get up on their porch and try
Speaker 3: to buy land from them than it is for a
Speaker 3: big corporation.
Speaker 1: What about the effort that is underway to kind of
Speaker 1: dismantle the Green New Deal and put all this emphasis
Speaker 1: on so called sustainable energy mandates, i e. Windmills, wind turbines,
Speaker 1: and solar panels. I know, you can drive through areas
Speaker 1: and what was once beautiful, lush farmland is filled with
Speaker 1: these ugly, shiny solar panels because it's the only way
Speaker 1: the people that own this land, the farmers, feel like
Speaker 1: they can make a profit turn a profit on their land.
Speaker 1: How how is the Trump administration and the reversal away
Speaker 1: from all of these alternate sources of energy, how is
Speaker 1: that going to affect the American farmer or landowner.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious.
Speaker 7: Well, one of yeah, you know, one of the biggest
Speaker 7: problems that we have is that so often the interests
Speaker 7: of people who care about the environment are pitted against
Speaker 7: the American farmer.
Speaker 3: When nobody cares more about having you know, good healthy
Speaker 3: soil and abundance supplies of good clean water than the farmer.
Speaker 3: So I say, let's focus our environmental efforts on places
Speaker 3: where the family farmer can work together with people who
Speaker 3: care about our environment, rather than having these political debates
Speaker 3: that put us against one another. That that's kind of
Speaker 3: the big takeaway on the issue issue of what to
Speaker 3: do around any kind of renewable energy, et cetera. You know,
Speaker 3: it's one of those things where, in my view, the
Speaker 3: farmer has to have the freedom of choice to decide
Speaker 3: what they want to do. But the biggest thing that
Speaker 3: we need to do is make sure that we don't
Speaker 3: have taxes, regulations, and government policies that are you know,
Speaker 3: frankly just pitting farmers against environmentalists and vice versa. We've
Speaker 3: got to find ways to work on, you know, bipartisan
Speaker 3: conservation and other things that everybody can get behind well.
Speaker 1: And the other component of that too, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: you're well aware, keenly aware of, is you know, this
Speaker 1: crackdown on certain kinds of fertilizer, because fertilizer is a
Speaker 1: critical component of being successful and producing a good crop.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's absolutely right, that's absolutely right. You know, Look,
Speaker 3: here's what the farmers facing. You know, even before any
Speaker 3: of that was going on, the farmer is already facing
Speaker 3: rising costs and prices that aren't keeping pace for the
Speaker 3: goods that they can sell. So the margins are getting
Speaker 3: tighter and tighter. And when it comes to test sides
Speaker 3: of chemicals are other things. You know, there is rule
Speaker 3: for the American family farmer to help lead the way
Speaker 3: and move us toward more natural products, more natural crops
Speaker 3: without quite as much hard chemical There's a lot of
Speaker 3: farmers who want to do that. We just got to
Speaker 3: make sure that if we're going to do that, that
Speaker 3: we're not moving in the direction and doing it with
Speaker 3: major government mandates that suddenly make things more expensive. And
Speaker 3: lead farmers with no choice, nothing that they're able to use,
Speaker 3: you know, So we need to remember that there an
Speaker 3: industry needs time to shift and that especially our small
Speaker 3: family farmers, they need time as small businesses be able
Speaker 3: to transition into new models. There's a lot of farmers
Speaker 3: that are looking to do it.
Speaker 1: A lot of people for political reason saying the sky
Speaker 1: is falling because of the Trump tariffs, especially on commodities
Speaker 1: and the like, and the reactions by the other countries.
Speaker 1: There have been a lot of relaxations of some of
Speaker 1: the proposed tariffs on commodities like what American farmers grow?
Speaker 2: How?
Speaker 1: How has this affected the American farmer all of the
Speaker 1: is it the hysteria around it, the talk about it,
Speaker 1: and what's the reality when it comes to tariffs and
Speaker 1: how they affect the American farmers?
Speaker 3: Brian, Well, you're so right to ask it that way.
Speaker 3: Here's what's going on. Farmers have been getting hit by
Speaker 3: unfair trade practices for decades, and so farmers know that
Speaker 3: we've got to draw aline and get tough now. It
Speaker 3: is also true that if you have tariff and if
Speaker 3: you have trade negotiations spinning out of control, it's just
Speaker 3: tariff on tariff on tariff in every direction. It's true
Speaker 3: that other countries can retaliate with tariffs against America. That
Speaker 3: can make it harder for farmers and other goods abroad.
Speaker 3: That is a consequence that can occur. But what you
Speaker 3: find is a lot of farmers are saying, hey, if
Speaker 3: we can draw a hard line, maybe use a tariff
Speaker 3: now and then to make sure that there's a good,
Speaker 3: strong negotiation and we can emerge with a better market.
Speaker 3: That's what we need. And you're starting to see some
Speaker 3: of that. We need to see this opportunity to negotiate
Speaker 3: these trade deals and favorite family farmers the UK trade deal,
Speaker 3: there's a trade deal with Vietnam. We need to do
Speaker 3: this with more and more countries. If we can open
Speaker 3: up trade with more countries but make sure that it's fair,
Speaker 3: we can find a way to both get tough and
Speaker 3: keep markets open for our farmers.
Speaker 1: Tungue to Brian Reisinger, author of Land Rich, Cash Poor,
Speaker 1: part of a generational farm family in southern Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: You guys are into cheese, dairy.
Speaker 3: Right, That's right, it's up there. It's cheese and beer
Speaker 3: and packers is pretty well the trinity there.
Speaker 1: So that's great, and let's talk just for a minute
Speaker 1: or two, Brian, while we have the time about the
Speaker 1: immigration policies of the new administration and how they are
Speaker 1: affecting family farms and what do you think. Do you
Speaker 1: think that President Trump has been fair? He has insisted
Speaker 1: over and over again he doesn't want to hurt the
Speaker 1: farmer and he wants him to be able to have
Speaker 1: the labor that they need to grow our crops, which
Speaker 1: is extremely important.
Speaker 2: I mean, but just.
Speaker 1: Tell me your personal view and what has happened and
Speaker 1: what do you foresee happening in the near future.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know, farmers are caught here between cross cutting political winds.
Speaker 3: On the one hand, many farmers and many folks in
Speaker 3: world community, they want to see a secure border and
Speaker 3: some of them support a President Trump for that reason.
Speaker 3: And at the same time they do see the way
Speaker 3: that a good part of our workforce is immigrant labor
Speaker 3: in American agriculture. And so the only reason that we
Speaker 3: can't have both, the only reason that we have to
Speaker 3: pick between feel like we have to pick between the
Speaker 3: secure border have the workforce, is because Washington hasn't rolled
Speaker 3: up the season fixed this issue. Now, I think what
Speaker 3: you see with the Trump administration is they're trying to
Speaker 3: find a way because they are hearing from farmers. They're
Speaker 3: trying to find a way to make sure that they
Speaker 3: can do what they feel they need to do to
Speaker 3: secure the border and also still allow our farmers to
Speaker 3: have the labor that they need. And I think you're
Speaker 3: seeing them work through the social I think they're probably
Speaker 3: going to find a way to make sure that no,
Speaker 3: you're not necessarily blessing people being here without the proper
Speaker 3: legal status. But what you're doing is you're securing the border,
Speaker 3: and you're finding a way for us to have a good,
Speaker 3: strong supply of legal agriculture workforce that you could increase,
Speaker 3: for example H two A visa, you know, different ways
Speaker 3: to make sure that there is a legal workforce here
Speaker 3: while at the same time you're securing the border. And
Speaker 3: so I think you're seeing administration working through how exactly
Speaker 3: to do that, and you know, I hope that family
Speaker 3: farms keep raising their voices and then I hope the
Speaker 3: policy makers are listening.
Speaker 1: So what is what is that visa in particular that
Speaker 1: you're talking about the workers use, Yeah, tell.
Speaker 3: Me it's an h H two A visa. And what
Speaker 3: it does is it allows those people who want to
Speaker 3: come here temporarily and work hard and find a way
Speaker 3: to better their family, and you know, along the way,
Speaker 3: help farms be able to harvest their crop and feed
Speaker 3: our country. Those people and come legally under that program.
Speaker 3: And there's ways to expand programs like that while at
Speaker 3: the same time securing our border and making sure that
Speaker 3: everything is done in a way that's in compliance with
Speaker 3: our laws. And so we can walk into gum in
Speaker 3: this country, and I think that's it's about time we
Speaker 3: start doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I don't chew gum, but I'm definitely working on
Speaker 1: the walking Brian Reisinger, It's a pleasure to talk to
Speaker 1: you again. It's been too long, probably, and that's probably
Speaker 1: my fault and maybe fault of the Reds since they
Speaker 1: take over a lot of my airtime during the summer month.
Speaker 2: But God bless them. We are the home of the Reds.
Speaker 1: Celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of the Big Red Machine this year.
Speaker 2: Whoa, yeah, right, give us some of.
Speaker 1: The cheer about while you're rooting for your packers, Speaking
Speaker 1: of which, are you still a Green Bay Packers fan?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't change. You bleed to green and gold
Speaker 3: for life.
Speaker 1: All right? So what do you see? And looking ahead
Speaker 1: off the subject of our conversation tonight, what are you seeing?
Speaker 1: What are you seeing for the Packers in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five season, big Packer fans, I'll tell.
Speaker 3: You one thing we've always seemed to get right as
Speaker 3: we know how to find a good quarterback and keep
Speaker 3: that bench. And my hope is that we can continue
Speaker 3: to have a good passing offense. And you know, we
Speaker 3: a lot of things you need to make a team work,
Speaker 3: but that's one thing that the Packers have tended to
Speaker 3: get right and I hope we continue to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what, how about your your thoughts on h
Speaker 1: on Aaron Rodgers last season well to be played in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: is there's Is there still a lot of love for
Speaker 1: Aaron in Packer country?
Speaker 8: You know, it's it's it's interesting I think that people
Speaker 8: people come around. I think that both with Brett Barran
Speaker 8: with Aaron Rodgers. It was a hard departure, you know,
Speaker 8: and it's it's you hate to see him go, and
Speaker 8: sometimes it's done in the circumstances you want, but people
Speaker 8: still appreciate the years of of good football, and my
Speaker 8: hope is that that can wind down and that people
Speaker 8: can turn around and say, man, you know, these people
Speaker 8: were part of some good years for the team, and so.
Speaker 3: I think I think that does come around after a while.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think for a couple of years,
Speaker 3: people are also pretty pumped up about making sure the
Speaker 3: new guy gets supporting needs and they're ready to move
Speaker 3: on for a little while as well, you know.
Speaker 1: All Right, good enough, Brian Reisinger, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for your time tonight, and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 6: All right, thanks so much.
Speaker 3: Good to be with you.
Speaker 1: All right, man, it is the nightcap and we will
Speaker 1: put a rap on it in just a few here
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW. A big thank you to all
Speaker 1: of tonight's guest, including my friend Rick Robinson, Matt Mott.
Speaker 1: And you know, that interview is still just bouncing around
Speaker 1: in my brain. I don't think I'll be able to
Speaker 1: shake that one for a while. About the Midwest City
Speaker 1: bandits and the paid informants and pat Con and the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City bombing and John Doe number two. Like I
Speaker 1: said it just Ratlin and if you didn't hear that,
Speaker 1: make sure you check out the podcast on the Gary
Speaker 1: Jeff Walker page at seven hundred WLW dot com. Thanks
Speaker 1: to Shaw's Khan and the great stuff regarding vaccines and
Speaker 1: her new book, The Ultimate Vaccine Timeline and Brian Reisinger,
Speaker 1: who you just heard of the land rich, cash poor
Speaker 1: farm fame and what farmers are looking at. As we
Speaker 1: get into Midsummer of twenty twenty five, we have more
Speaker 1: nightcaps coming up this coming week Monday and Tuesday night,
Speaker 1: both nights I'm scheduled to be on during the All
Speaker 1: Star break from nine to midnight, and we'll have a
Speaker 1: in studio live show on Monday night, a recreation or
Speaker 1: recreation rather of what we did early on in the
Speaker 1: Nightcap with panels of people in the studio at the
Speaker 1: same time, just basically chucking it up and having a
Speaker 1: good time. The mysterious Mister m returns and also Bait Shop.
Speaker 1: Paul Height from the Party Source, a longtime friend. Looking
Speaker 1: forward to that get together again this coming Monday from
Speaker 1: nine till twelve o'clock. And I have a really tough
Speaker 1: week losing people people that have passed. There was Charlie
Speaker 1: Kemplin and Fort Thomas and again his visitations and services
Speaker 1: are ahead tomorrow and then on Monday at noon the
Speaker 1: funeral and I talked about him last Sunday night. Also,
Speaker 1: a lady that I used to work with at the
Speaker 1: bar named Chrissy Carter succumbed to cancer within the last week.
Speaker 1: And I just found out yesterday that a longtime fan
Speaker 1: of my shows and sometime customer at the bar, Jim o'courra,
Speaker 1: had died. His wife Aileen sent me the obituary, and
Speaker 1: I had not heard from Jim o for a while,
Speaker 1: but I guess that's why. It's just a shame. The
Speaker 1: longer you live, the more loss you can have of
Speaker 1: those around you. Sad but true. But anyway, thanks for
Speaker 1: tuning in tonight. There is much more ahead here on
Speaker 1: the Big One as we get you over into a
Speaker 1: Sunday morning, and I will speak with you hopefully on
Speaker 1: Monday night at nine. I hope you're there for the
Speaker 1: next nightcap here on seven hundred WLW