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Speaker 5: Stories. Come to the right place you want history? Yeah,
Speaker 5: come to the right place you want to rescue? Too
Speaker 5: hard charges Roofie again. I tell you you come to
Speaker 5: the place you have. You're not gonna get this anywhere.
Speaker 5: You're not gonna get this on the kitchen table, the
Speaker 5: fire out, even though we like him, we love that guy,
Speaker 5: but you're not gonna get it there. You're not gonna
Speaker 5: get it as other podcast. But only here do we
Speaker 5: get the true present day legends of the job and
Speaker 5: the history and maybe an author of too.
Speaker 6: Like half the show already know.
Speaker 5: We got plenty more, bro, plenty of story, plenty history.
Speaker 5: So they got your notebooks in a pre show we
Speaker 5: should have been taking out that was that's a show.
Speaker 6: Itself, I said it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 1: Fell different grown though. I'm sorry I'm disappointing him. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but you know, if you want to take a look
Speaker 1: at this thing.
Speaker 5: Wow, you're gonna show me that I had that on
Speaker 5: my I take that on my deathbed.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 5: That head of hair for crime white.
Speaker 1: It's almost as white as my light. That's back here.
Speaker 5: So we won't have a show. And I think Chris
Speaker 5: Ruffi and I will be out in Indianapolis Buffalpalooza. Come
Speaker 5: out and see us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be there too if you if you care,
Speaker 1: you come, uh huh yeah, and I'm coming to Indianapolis.
Speaker 8: You are.
Speaker 6: Are you buying? Uh?
Speaker 1: Is it my turn? I don't know me maybe?
Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 1: Hooked us up lunch today. Oh yesterday we had me
Speaker 1: and my boys.
Speaker 5: You get to the end and when the bill comes
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, you don't see guys, he's
Speaker 5: in the bedroom somewhere.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I just picked it up. We picked
Speaker 6: up something breakfast or something I did breakfast when we
Speaker 6: first met.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. When Pete wouldn't go into his pocket.
Speaker 1: No, he would just sit there look at you guys.
Speaker 6: Remember that, Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. I'm
Speaker 6: not that guy.
Speaker 5: I was playing to marshals because we got a lot
Speaker 5: to get to.
Speaker 7: Time.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Vince. We'll start off right here.
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Speaker 5: All right, tonight's old school health and safety too, Because
Speaker 5: I've said this one before, but it stands repeating.
Speaker 1: It's repeating.
Speaker 5: The jobs all over the country offer services for mental health.
Speaker 5: But always think about your wife and kids too, because
Speaker 5: you bring a lot of that stuff home and you
Speaker 5: may not think, but the kids are like sponges and
Speaker 5: they pick up everything. So they also off for services
Speaker 5: to the whole family. So keep an eye with your
Speaker 5: kids and uh, you know, like we say all the time,
Speaker 5: it's it's not frowned upon that and go get yourself
Speaker 5: looked at, so you know, include your kids and your wife. Well,
Speaker 5: like crap, bring home right right.
Speaker 9: I would tell you I attended best uh Bill Gustin's
Speaker 9: funeral on Tuesday, and I can't tell you that they
Speaker 9: are stressing the importance of it on both sides, more
Speaker 9: so obviously for uh for individuals struggling, But they make
Speaker 9: it a part of the funeral service now where it
Speaker 9: didn't really come up. You know, I was very surprised
Speaker 9: to see that. Even the chief of the fight department
Speaker 9: down there made oh he was he was talking about
Speaker 9: it and help and said it came up several times
Speaker 9: during the service.
Speaker 1: So the culture is changing.
Speaker 5: Yes, hi, rough bringing our scheme, guests, we got what.
Speaker 1: Do you want to do first?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: The author? We'll do the author first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure it awes. Just make sure you say it right,
Speaker 1: because you know somebody was saying it.
Speaker 6: Usday in coming to the stage, Usden whoa Okay, next
Speaker 6: up coming to the stage, Jimmy Sandys last last, but
Speaker 6: not least, Lieutenant Mike Penna.
Speaker 5: We gave him the let's do this before we get go.
Speaker 5: We gotta get patriotic, you know the deal. Yes, the
Speaker 5: greatest country in the whole face of the earth.
Speaker 1: Just check your mic there, coops, you might be a
Speaker 1: little low on line.
Speaker 6: Here we go.
Speaker 3: First, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United
Speaker 3: States of America and to the Republic, for which it stands,
Speaker 3: one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent sound.
Speaker 5: Thank you, gentlemen. Welcome to the show. Jimmy, I knew
Speaker 5: we get you somehow or another. I knew we'd somehow wrangle.
Speaker 6: You, n bro.
Speaker 8: I believe it air over this.
Speaker 6: Show, but nothing, but in the pre show we couldn't.
Speaker 6: We were gonna have to get the hook on him.
Speaker 6: I don't know what was going on.
Speaker 5: He was he was wrong, right, I don't know why
Speaker 5: we can't get him on just say hey, come on
Speaker 5: and tell you stories.
Speaker 6: Right, It's like he's like.
Speaker 5: Today, it's Jimmy Sanders. Tomorrow it's Jay Fishler. Who knows
Speaker 5: so one wrote this cool book because as you know,
Speaker 5: we just recently had the hundred the centennial for Rescue too.
Speaker 5: And it was a good turnout, right.
Speaker 8: Man, Yes, absolutely, very good turnout.
Speaker 10: A couple of hundred people there, guys, like three four
Speaker 10: hundred of them.
Speaker 5: What did the whole day consist of?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 5: What was the ceremony like?
Speaker 8: The ceremony consisted of you know, Chief Department and very
Speaker 8: as well as Captain Flowerty speaking on behalf of the
Speaker 8: company in regards of the past hundred years, what the
Speaker 8: company is, how it was formed, how was organized, and
Speaker 8: what progressed during the course of the those one hundred years.
Speaker 8: And and then afterwards everybody just got together and had
Speaker 8: to get together at a location. It was a great day,
Speaker 8: great time. Yeah, great to see old timers that were there.
Speaker 5: And who was who was the oldest living Rescue two
Speaker 5: member do.
Speaker 8: We have at at the party? I believe it might
Speaker 8: have been in Jack Dylan or Dylan maybe yeah, Tom Dylan.
Speaker 8: It's it's a toss up, right, like yes, well.
Speaker 6: When I see yeah, right, Oh, is he he's got
Speaker 6: to be eighties, right, yes?
Speaker 7: Mc roy was eighty nine or is it?
Speaker 6: Oh my god?
Speaker 10: Yeah, Paula McFadden was there. He's in his mid eighties.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Tom, what do you call John Dooley. I
Speaker 8: think he's ninety two, but because of his health he
Speaker 8: couldn't come. But he does attend breakfast now and then
Speaker 8: we meet once a month.
Speaker 5: So he was what what what decade was he there?
Speaker 7: In his sixties?
Speaker 8: Seventies?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 6: So do you guys listen to you guys are listen to.
Speaker 7: Listen to those stories, and there's plenty of them.
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, And then you want to tell a story
Speaker 8: like rather go than Men's Bad? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Wow, guys in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 6: Huh from the rescue.
Speaker 5: Who is the oldest captain that still comes.
Speaker 8: Gallica?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Gallagh?
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's only four, you know Gallagher then and Chief
Speaker 8: Fishler and Captain Flowery. Those are the only living ones.
Speaker 5: Another guy. I'm hot after him. I get him someday.
Speaker 5: I'll get him. Talk to my agent all the time.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6: That's the funniest thing ever. He can't stop telling stories though,
Speaker 6: that's the best part. He can't stop.
Speaker 5: I can't get him out of my booth. He's telling
Speaker 5: story for crying out loud.
Speaker 6: I don't know why you don't do I don't know.
Speaker 7: That's all in for lunch. You'll just and sit him
Speaker 7: down and just capture him.
Speaker 5: That's where I should though, right, I'll put a camera
Speaker 5: in then just let I'll put the camera in my booth. Actually, God,
Speaker 5: so you'll have a camera in Indy. So when he
Speaker 5: comes over, just stop filming him and.
Speaker 6: There, don't even don't even don't even let him know.
Speaker 1: Right, let him know, be like, hey, you know what's this?
Speaker 6: I have to do it for my phone.
Speaker 1: They wouldn'tcognize it because we'll see the GoPro or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 5: I was so cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Cools, you want to We'll just have the guys
Speaker 6: just go quick through the timeline, just real fast, like
Speaker 6: where they you know, when they got on, where they
Speaker 6: were who.
Speaker 5: Was there first, Jimmy Sanders or Lieutenant Penna, No.
Speaker 7: Like s we have the old timer.
Speaker 5: All right, Ultimate, let's talk. Even though we've had you
Speaker 5: on the show, I'll listen to it every time over
Speaker 5: and over. Give us a little brief description when you
Speaker 5: got out of the job, where you worked, how you
Speaker 5: got the rescue too, how you had to hitch the ring,
Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 7: Sure got on the job in nineteen eighty one July.
Speaker 7: First assignment was to lat A twenty Lower Manhattan and Hells.
Speaker 7: Andre Dacos spend some time there, and then I was
Speaker 7: able to escape and transfer over to one seventy six
Speaker 7: in the old Tin House. And it was a great
Speaker 7: time there. A great bunch of guys learned a lot
Speaker 7: all day when you went there. Yes, he was, he
Speaker 7: was a signed there and the engine actually they worked together,
Speaker 7: and uh he followed me over to Rescue after that
Speaker 7: and went to Rescue two in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 5: Were you in the Tin House when they closed up
Speaker 5: the doors on Super Bowl Sunday?
Speaker 7: And No, I was actually in Rescue two at the time.
Speaker 7: I had left all that. Yeah, it's probably about two
Speaker 7: years prior. And so you were able to go.
Speaker 5: God over at Calton Avenue.
Speaker 7: Actually, how did that go?
Speaker 5: You called over there first?
Speaker 7: You asked him or I actually, you know, find out
Speaker 7: he was working and called him up. When your mindset
Speaker 7: if I come over and talk to you, he goes, Nope,
Speaker 7: come on over, and he went over in a day tour.
Speaker 7: And that firehouse, I don't know if anybody's been in
Speaker 7: it recently, but it's really tight. You talked about one
Speaker 7: twelve and you know seventy one, the same thing front
Speaker 7: and rear, a small little kitchen in the back. It
Speaker 7: was an old old firehouse, you know, getting up to
Speaker 7: the old office upstairs.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: You know again old timidation, like everyal goes through the
Speaker 7: same thing, you know, sitting before him, and like, you know,
Speaker 7: asking to come to a rescue company. You know, I
Speaker 7: only had about four years on a job and thinking
Speaker 7: we'll take about two or three years to get there.
Speaker 7: But luckily and unluckily, you know, one guy got hurt
Speaker 7: and they didn't expect him back and I was able
Speaker 7: to get a call from Downy come over. And it
Speaker 7: was right after they moved over to Bergen Street, so
Speaker 7: I didn't have to really move anything from Colton Air
Speaker 7: Near to Bergen Street. It was already there. But we
Speaker 7: had a lot of work to do in the firehouse
Speaker 7: because when they left it it was really really crappy inside.
Speaker 7: What was there before the Uh it was a fire
Speaker 7: patrol Savage thirty four originally original quarters right then a
Speaker 7: Savage unit and then we took it over from them.
Speaker 5: You should have told the guys, hey, listen, while you're
Speaker 5: moving the stuff forward, could you grab my stuff over
Speaker 5: at one seventy six and bring it out.
Speaker 7: Well right, yeah, well I had I had to look
Speaker 7: for my gear also, so it wouldn't it wouldn't it
Speaker 7: wouldn't have been able to find it either.
Speaker 5: The brothers found out that.
Speaker 7: Once they found out, you know that that my helmet
Speaker 7: was shiny and anything else, you gotta love it. Yeah,
Speaker 7: no matter why you hit it or lock locked it up,
Speaker 7: they found it, so they Yeah, everybody goes through it.
Speaker 5: Who was I was assigned to tent? No, I can't
Speaker 5: remember his name. Who was the guy the Italian guy
Speaker 5: who was a good cook over there?
Speaker 6: Oh yes, a.
Speaker 7: Short, little chubby guy and yeah, man, yeah he was
Speaker 7: for years? What was in the engine and it was
Speaker 7: an engine show for for a long time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I want to say, like Dino, well, oh ship,
Speaker 5: I can't. Yeah, we're gonna come to us, right, thinking
Speaker 5: guys came from to t that went the ask you right,
Speaker 5: A lot.
Speaker 7: Of guys, A lot of guys you know, went seventy six.
Speaker 7: Also we had about I think twelve we counted on.
Speaker 6: All three as well. Yeah. Jimmy Gerzbeck, Jimmy.
Speaker 5: Back came from to ten first and that he went
Speaker 5: to ten.
Speaker 7: Romeo came from two.
Speaker 6: Ten Larry o'donald. Larry o'donnald was in two ten, and
Speaker 6: Jimmy Schwick I believe was in two ten. They all
Speaker 6: went to one.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah right, I just remember the office upstairs, were like, wow,
Speaker 5: I got there after you guys left. So but it
Speaker 5: was cool. You still see the remnants of Rescue two
Speaker 5: up there. The bulldog the office is awesome.
Speaker 7: So ten years in Rescue two, uh until I got
Speaker 7: promoted in nineteen ninety five, and then you know, bounced
Speaker 7: around and uh before I got the spot and Rescue
Speaker 7: one in Manhattan.
Speaker 5: How long did you work in one?
Speaker 7: Probably about five years by six years now comparatively.
Speaker 5: What the main difference between one and two other than
Speaker 5: the odd buildings and stuff.
Speaker 7: Like that, the operations, Uh, Brooklyn was more on the fireside,
Speaker 7: you know some emergencies. It was more emergencies in Manhattan
Speaker 7: than it was on the fireside. But when you got
Speaker 7: to fire in Manhattan, it was, you know, one.
Speaker 6: You don't want to go different.
Speaker 7: On the top floor, like you can go for a
Speaker 7: oor of smoke and spent two days walking around the building.
Speaker 7: That's hard.
Speaker 5: That's his story because you sent me a lot of
Speaker 5: stuff when I was doing the rescue this documentary, How
Speaker 5: did you come such a history of the rescue?
Speaker 7: Just reading and you know and rescue too, going to
Speaker 7: the reunions and things like that, talking to the old
Speaker 7: timers and you know, asking them questions what it was
Speaker 7: like back then, and what odd jobs they went to
Speaker 7: and things like that. So I piqued my interest with that,
Speaker 7: you know, reading the old Department orders, the old Metal
Speaker 7: day books, and you started, you know, remembering a lot
Speaker 7: of things and asking people more questions, and you just
Speaker 7: kept on rolling right and us.
Speaker 5: It becomes a passion, like an addiction, like I'm always
Speaker 5: looking at the old was it the Brooklyn Eagle, looking
Speaker 5: at the Brookly newspapers? New York Times. Uh, you know,
Speaker 5: it becomes such an obsession looking back. And we had
Speaker 5: a Hairshagen to do Hashagen's corner on the show every
Speaker 5: now and again. It's just it's an amazing pass that
Speaker 5: a lot of guys don't realize took place on this job.
Speaker 7: If you ask them today, you know absolutely. And it's
Speaker 7: basically the history of the company too. You know, you're
Speaker 7: you're proud of being in the company and you want
Speaker 7: to learn the history, and you know, the guys that
Speaker 7: came before you.
Speaker 5: Any any like at any given day. Well, I'll say this,
Speaker 5: on your busiest day, how many jobs would you go
Speaker 5: to arrested two.
Speaker 7: Busiest day? You know, if you do it twenty four hours,
Speaker 7: you know, maybe five six, seven, eight jobs in the
Speaker 7: daytour and probably about the same amount ten jobs and
Speaker 7: at night you know, and you know, not come back
Speaker 7: for twenty four hours, go from job to job. We
Speaker 7: never took time, We never changed. We just you know,
Speaker 7: stayed wet and dirty the whole twenty four hours and
Speaker 7: went from job to job. We used to have ten
Speaker 7: eight parties and just go ten eight for twenty four hours. Bring,
Speaker 7: you know, pack a lunch, leave on the rig and
Speaker 7: just right around Brooklyn and a couple of times where
Speaker 7: we would get there first due in Flatbush or somewhere else.
Speaker 5: Oh the matter building, man, they must have loved that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we brought to the chief. Chief you don't need
Speaker 7: this anymore, he goes, Oh, no, we don't need you.
Speaker 7: You guys get good. You know, I think we got
Speaker 7: earunder control now, not realizing that we gave you ten
Speaker 7: seventy five.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Brooklyn the rest too, Where are you? Yeah? And
Speaker 6: takeing uh, Warren, Right, I mean it didn't matter. Yeah,
Speaker 6: make a left by the McDonald's over there and go
Speaker 6: down two blocks and get the hell out of that.
Speaker 6: Was not helped.
Speaker 7: Happened a lot, Warren. All the distatues in the Brooklyn
Speaker 7: cl were they knew where we were quite a time,
Speaker 7: and they knew if something else came in. We got
Speaker 7: directed many times to you know, a job that you know,
Speaker 7: a multiple fatalities and things like that where we were
Speaker 7: right there.
Speaker 5: But he wasn't abuff there? Where was he aboff?
Speaker 7: Later on?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Later on?
Speaker 7: What he says, you know what you're saying now, it's uh,
Speaker 7: you know, saddle up.
Speaker 5: Saddle up looks like.
Speaker 7: Up in the old days used to be pull up
Speaker 7: your boots over the voice along. Yeah, that's how he started.
Speaker 7: And then with the bunker gear, he couldn't pull up
Speaker 7: you boots.
Speaker 6: And I gotta call him. I haven't caught him in
Speaker 6: a while. He used to call me regularly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we gotta have a bottle of the dispact to
Speaker 5: have him and the beef man on it.
Speaker 7: And that's absolutely.
Speaker 6: Let's get Jimmy in.
Speaker 5: Yeah there, all right, Jimmy gives you a history. When
Speaker 5: did you get on the job. Actually, what made you
Speaker 5: want to be a five? And then he was, we
Speaker 5: haven't got your whole history.
Speaker 8: Well, I was a volunteer first. Yeah, we write that.
Speaker 6: Down four Team Carricter two.
Speaker 8: Joined them volunteer Fire Department back in nineteen seventy four
Speaker 8: when there was I guess there was nineteen. The person
Speaker 8: who talked me into joining the volunteer Fire Department in
Speaker 8: Hempstead was Brian Faye.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I hear, really yeah, So it.
Speaker 8: Kept us out of jail in Juvenile Hall. And back then,
Speaker 8: you know, it was a pretty busy place to go
Speaker 8: to flyers. It still is Hempstead, it still is, but
Speaker 8: not like it was back in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 8: I mean, the busiest apartment's probably back then was besides
Speaker 8: Hempstead was Freeport and Long People. Really, yeah, it was unbelievable.
Speaker 8: And then we took the test together. I forget when
Speaker 8: it was eighty one or eighty two, and we both
Speaker 8: wrote in the top two thousand, but it went by
Speaker 8: your last four of your social security number, and Brian
Speaker 8: had a lower social security number than I did. So
Speaker 8: you got on the job six months before I did.
Speaker 6: Know you were a junior man.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this was a man like always and when I
Speaker 8: got on a job, unfortunately, no one in our class
Speaker 8: we were the first class to go to one hundred
Speaker 8: and fifty guys because of a lawsuit that was still
Speaker 8: in effect on me. So our class was the first class.
Speaker 8: In nineteen eighty seven we went up to one hundred
Speaker 8: and fifty guys. Before that, I think it was like
Speaker 8: fifty or seventy five guys in a class, and our class,
Speaker 8: no one went to a busy company. Went to slow
Speaker 8: companies in Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan as well as the Bronx.
Speaker 8: So unfortunately I didn't know anybody. I had no family
Speaker 8: on a job, so I went to twelve in Williamsburg.
Speaker 5: Oh Man, Yeah, I think is that right?
Speaker 8: Firehouse? And that's where I went. But what was weird
Speaker 8: was the last twenty guys in our class never went
Speaker 8: to the firehouse. From probe school, you went to fire
Speaker 8: prevention for ninety days and you did oil burner inspections.
Speaker 1: Well, so where did they stick us?
Speaker 8: They stuck us in Crown Heights, Bedsty and Hawk Slope,
Speaker 8: So you used to walk and have to inspect the
Speaker 8: oil burners for the day. Yeah, and then from there
Speaker 8: you went to the firehouse after ninety day detail. And
Speaker 8: then I wasn't even in the firehouse. I don't even
Speaker 8: think two weeks. And I was detailed from there from
Speaker 8: two twelve to one to do my rotation in the truck.
Speaker 8: I never got to one to twelve until like almost
Speaker 8: September October, and then I spent the year there and
Speaker 8: I had it. Yeah, I told the camp I got
Speaker 8: it was.
Speaker 5: Wasn't that Captain Years or something like that.
Speaker 8: Macarno, Yeah, Tony Macarno. And I told him, I go,
Speaker 8: I got to get out of here or else. Let's
Speaker 8: see what we can do. He called the transfer desk
Speaker 8: in Brooklyn, and uh, things are different back then. Transfers
Speaker 8: are almost once a month, and they promoted you, well,
Speaker 8: you got transferred by your grade. And back then it
Speaker 8: was only three grades of five. It was third grade,
Speaker 8: first second grade, and first grade fireman. So when I called,
Speaker 8: I was from being the third grade to a second
Speaker 8: grade fireman. And the guy at the transfer desk is
Speaker 8: Laught and he goes, you know, I'm giving them companies
Speaker 8: in Brooklyn. He goes this, thirty guys ahead of you.
Speaker 8: I go, man, he goes, you got to help me out, man,
Speaker 8: I go, you gotta get me out of it. He
Speaker 8: goes skinned. I go, yeah, I'm thick skinned. I whatever
Speaker 8: you want, whatever question, I'll answer.
Speaker 5: I don't care what.
Speaker 8: I'll get you in a firehouse next week. There's transfer
Speaker 8: coming out next week.
Speaker 7: I'll get you there.
Speaker 8: I like, all right, I go, where am I going?
Speaker 8: He goes to seventy seven. I go, okay, And then
Speaker 8: within the guy was dead on his word. Within a week,
Speaker 8: I was out of there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: I was on Nicko Boker revenue. I got there in
Speaker 8: December to nineteen eighty eight, So I got there. My
Speaker 8: first tour was a night tour, and Mike worked in
Speaker 8: one seventy six. It was busy my first night tour.
Speaker 8: I think we had three jobs before midnight.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: And then it just.
Speaker 8: Grew.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: It was so firehouse. I mean it was one of
Speaker 8: the few firehouses that Yeah, it was a single day firehouse.
Speaker 8: And the engine in the truck were you know, back
Speaker 8: to back. No, yeah, that's how it was. And uh,
Speaker 8: turnouts were super fast. Whoever was in the front you
Speaker 8: just got on the rig. Whoever was in the back,
Speaker 8: you stop the traffic and that was it.
Speaker 6: Did you guys race to get back to the firehouse
Speaker 6: so you weren't in the front.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so big you know you're going behind now yeah,
Speaker 1: well was you.
Speaker 8: Gotta remember back then the engine would do rs.
Speaker 6: Ah right, yeah, hell yeah it was the truck.
Speaker 8: Saturday night you do twenty RS boxes. So the truck
Speaker 8: would race back to the firehouse because they wanted to
Speaker 8: move that rig was we'd be in a front went
Speaker 8: into all these RX boxes RS boxes. The truck gets
Speaker 8: one run and they go to a second along.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Because the area was so dense with engines, I mean
Speaker 8: you could walk to a lot of the engine companies.
Speaker 8: You could walk to two fifty two to eighteen to
Speaker 8: twenty two. I mean you rode your bicycle. You got
Speaker 8: to two seventy one.
Speaker 6: Whoa whoa bicycles Yeah, West carac too, let's all you
Speaker 6: can't find it. I can't mentioned bicycles without that guy.
Speaker 8: It was so dense with engines. But the trucks, I
Speaker 8: mean you had one seventy six who moved from the
Speaker 8: tinhouse to rock Away, and then you have one twenty
Speaker 8: four in one eleven and that was it. Yeah, I
Speaker 8: mean one twelve was second. Dude, the two seventeen's quarters.
Speaker 8: That's a whole yeah. No, But I stayed in the
Speaker 8: engine till nineteen ninety two, and then I went across
Speaker 8: the floor.
Speaker 5: Who were some of the guys that were there when
Speaker 5: you got there.
Speaker 8: It was funny because when I got there, I didn't
Speaker 8: have a twenty four partner, So Stevie Morrell was in
Speaker 8: the truck. He goes, you want to do twenty four?
Speaker 8: So I go, yeah, I'm into it. He goes, let's
Speaker 8: go and talk to the captains. And we sat down
Speaker 8: with the captains and we told asked them if it's
Speaker 8: okay if we you do twenty four between the companies.
Speaker 8: They go, as long as we got bodies, we don't care. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So half my tour being the engine and half the
Speaker 8: toy being the truck, and vice versa with Stevie.
Speaker 5: More was both companies when you got there.
Speaker 8: So when I got there, there was a guy they
Speaker 8: nicknamed him Topo Ggo because he was short surge this stuff.
Speaker 8: I remember his last name. He was the engine he
Speaker 8: was the truck captain and Tom Brennan was the engine captain.
Speaker 8: And then we both transferred out of the company on
Speaker 8: the on the same transfer.
Speaker 5: Order Tom Brennan from one eleven.
Speaker 8: Tom Oh, no different, and uh, both captains transferred out
Speaker 8: in the same order. And then the next captains that
Speaker 8: came in was was Mike Leagan and Frank Ross and uh,
Speaker 8: two tough guys.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 8: Yeah, didn't cross the line. Because you crossed the line,
Speaker 8: you got the right cross.
Speaker 5: That one.
Speaker 6: That's a good one.
Speaker 8: Andy Potter was there.
Speaker 6: He had the hair.
Speaker 8: He had the hair and then he still had the hair.
Speaker 8: It was all black back then. He probably died of
Speaker 8: but it was all black. The engine we had three officers.
Speaker 8: They were all from one fifty five truck. Roger Olin, Uh, Tommy,
Speaker 8: Tommy Kokner.
Speaker 1: Dave Russell.
Speaker 8: Dave Russell was in the engine.
Speaker 1: That somebody was mentioned in Kevin Brown cooked us up with.
Speaker 8: He was the captain of one twelve. And then Norman
Speaker 8: of course. Yeah, those are the three lieutenants.
Speaker 5: Norman, he was my captain in two tens. Norman, dorm
Speaker 5: and Norman of course.
Speaker 8: And then in the truck the lieutenants for Marty help
Speaker 8: ke Larry McCarthy and then Chief killed off. Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 8: he's your best friend. You call him saying, all right,
Speaker 8: I respect that little bit.
Speaker 7: Him this morning?
Speaker 6: Do not call him Ed this morning?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Did you call him?
Speaker 1: Ed?
Speaker 5: Noll him?
Speaker 6: I know, let's get them. He said, I can call
Speaker 6: him and I do not call him.
Speaker 5: You say that he's a gentleman, but I didn't say it.
Speaker 6: I didn't say he's always the chief always.
Speaker 1: But you see what they're doing over here, Glenn, he's
Speaker 1: just patially waiting.
Speaker 6: I was saying, we're trying to we're trying to get
Speaker 6: Sanders for everything he's got because we know he's not
Speaker 6: going to come on the show. So we'll be like
Speaker 6: two hours. We are gonna we are gonna talk about
Speaker 6: rescue too at some point, but we're trying to get.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 8: Just totally different atmosphere in that in that firehouse, I mean,
Speaker 8: everybody there. All we want to do is go to fires. Yeah,
Speaker 8: so you know, and then the truck. You know, we
Speaker 8: became known as no because we didn't want any of
Speaker 8: that stuff. You know, they sent the Hurst tool. What
Speaker 8: do we need a Hurst tool for? So when the
Speaker 8: guy from Fleet Maintenance came and delivered it, we told
Speaker 8: me he's got the wrong firehouse. You got to deliver
Speaker 8: that thing to rock Foray Heavy.
Speaker 6: I don't want that thing here.
Speaker 7: Is down, it's wait.
Speaker 5: We make a turn.
Speaker 8: So that's what you know, that's what we did. Then
Speaker 8: that's where the name. We didn't want any We just
Speaker 8: wanted to go to fires, and that's what we did,
Speaker 8: you know. And the engine was just as great man. Well,
Speaker 8: I mean Camaradi was was really tight.
Speaker 5: What year you go across the floor? How long you
Speaker 5: spend across the floor anyway you're working mutuals over there?
Speaker 8: Yeah, well you went between the rikes. I went there
Speaker 8: in ninety two, in one twelve, right, and I spent
Speaker 8: four years there. And then the captain came was uh
Speaker 8: Mark Faran. Wow, yeah, captain kid.
Speaker 7: Man smart.
Speaker 8: And he was so smart and he was great, but
Speaker 8: he just kept going up a lot of so fast. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but taught us well listen to him.
Speaker 5: All the time.
Speaker 6: And why did you start getting the inkling?
Speaker 8: So when I kept seeing those guys going more fires
Speaker 8: than we were going on at the Boxer, they were.
Speaker 6: Leaving going up from going to going to penance via
Speaker 6: then you're like wait a minute.
Speaker 8: But then we were distanced away from them, you know,
Speaker 8: so we never had any issues or problems or nothing,
Speaker 8: you know. With the rescue, we got along. We never
Speaker 8: had an issue, and then Rescue two only came. You know,
Speaker 8: Rescue two came to our boxes. But even though Squad
Speaker 8: one was was there, you know, they were operating, they
Speaker 8: didn't come to the two eight. They only came up
Speaker 8: to the three seven battalions. So the only special unit
Speaker 8: that ever came in is Rescue too. And then I
Speaker 8: guess it was like ninety six. I started getting the
Speaker 8: the it yeah, the itch. M Captain Fishler worked in
Speaker 8: Mike in the groups that I was in one twelve,
Speaker 8: and every time I see him out of fire, I go, hey, yeah,
Speaker 8: are you looking for are you.
Speaker 5: Do you need guys?
Speaker 8: I'd be interested coming over and then he would tell me.
Speaker 8: This was like September. He goes, I'll tell you what
Speaker 8: it's nice to you're you know you're asking, but you're
Speaker 8: looking like twelve, at least two years away. I go,
Speaker 8: oh my god, two years. I go, okay, I figured
Speaker 8: I asked, and then I see him and then the
Speaker 8: fire like two weeks later. I go, hey, Cap, what's
Speaker 8: going on? Hey Jimmy, what's up? I go, still got
Speaker 8: a long waiting list over there. He goes, well, i'll
Speaker 8: tell you what it's down to like maybe a year
Speaker 8: and a half. I go, it's pretty good. Two weeks.
Speaker 8: Cut six months.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna wait two.
Speaker 11: More weeks, another six months com playing golf with a
Speaker 11: bunch of guys and someone turns me and goes, hey,
Speaker 11: did you hear now?
Speaker 7: You gotta remember it.
Speaker 8: Back then it was only the five rescues, Squad forty
Speaker 8: one and Squad one. That was it. They go, hey,
Speaker 8: that they're going to increase the manpower and the rescues
Speaker 8: and the squads the twenty eight guys. They're going to
Speaker 8: add three guys. They go, oh, that's interesting. So my
Speaker 8: first tour back in the fire house, capt your job,
Speaker 8: she fished, you know, Captain fishers work.
Speaker 7: I go, Cap, what's going on? Is it true.
Speaker 8: That the rescues and the squads again? Three guys?
Speaker 7: So he goes, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, I go, So, how's it looking?
Speaker 7: So you go, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 8: You're six months away? I go not, there wasn't a
Speaker 8: month and a half.
Speaker 5: I'm down to a year and a half.
Speaker 8: And then it was a Thursday night, my phone rang,
Speaker 8: and home my wife goes, he is a guy named
Speaker 8: Jay Fisherly wants to talk to you.
Speaker 5: They go okay, boom boom boom boom.
Speaker 1: Boom boom boom boom. I put a suit on, so
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 8: He goes, I'll tell you what, Jimmy, you're still interested
Speaker 8: in coming over. I go, yeah, cap I'm interested, really
Speaker 8: interesting coming over. He goes, okay, Monday morning. I go,
Speaker 8: what what Monday morning? He goes, Monday morning, nine o'clock,
Speaker 8: come to rescue too. I'm like, you're.
Speaker 7: Playing mind games with me at nine o'clock at nine
Speaker 7: or what?
Speaker 8: He goes.
Speaker 7: Now he goes, come over.
Speaker 8: I go okay.
Speaker 5: So I hang up the phone.
Speaker 8: Two minutes later, the phone rings. It's Pete Long. I go, hey,
Speaker 8: look what's up. He goes, Jimmy, I just got a
Speaker 8: word that you're coming here Monday morning. I go, okay,
Speaker 8: Captain just called me. So he goes, there's no paperwork
Speaker 8: on you. There's nothing on you.
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, that's how we do it school.
Speaker 8: When did you ever come here and see him? I go,
Speaker 8: I never saw him in the firehouse. I just spoke
Speaker 8: to him all the time at jobs. He goes, Oh,
Speaker 8: this is gonna be interesting coming on Monday morning when
Speaker 8: you come in this firehouse. I go okay, man. And
Speaker 8: then when I walked in, of course all the dinosaurs
Speaker 8: were working. Richie Evers and Baby Van boys, Billy Lake
Speaker 8: was there.
Speaker 6: And who you didn't it didn't go good? Boy? Oh boy?
Speaker 6: I get nervous before I walk in the kitchen and
Speaker 6: like throw your cake in the garbage.
Speaker 8: No, then the sense in the park lot. But how'd
Speaker 8: you get here? I go, you know, being the typical
Speaker 8: idiot that I am, said, I got my car this
Speaker 8: morning and drove here. Oh no, So like, okay, you
Speaker 8: gotta be it.
Speaker 7: You know, is this where we're going?
Speaker 6: I go.
Speaker 8: You asked me how I got here? I told you
Speaker 8: how I got here. So Richie ever has asked me
Speaker 8: a question. I gave him a stupid answer and he
Speaker 8: wiggd out. He walked out of the kitchen and Davy
Speaker 8: Van voices, you know, he's been here two minutes and
Speaker 8: you're on a pistol off to see you man. I go.
Speaker 8: He goes, just shaking his head, laughing. And then Richie
Speaker 8: came downstairs and says, there's no paperwork on you nothing.
Speaker 8: I go. Never came for an interview. I just we
Speaker 8: spoke to the captain of jobs. So he goes really,
Speaker 8: I go, yeah, I'm not lying to you, man, I go,
Speaker 8: I never never walked foot in its fire till this morning.
Speaker 8: So he walks out of the kitchen again. David Van
Speaker 8: Voice looks at his watch. He goes, I've minute you
Speaker 8: because the senior man twice give me perfect man. And
Speaker 8: the thing was that she was and I became pretty
Speaker 8: good friends after that.
Speaker 5: Really, how long did it take you to feel like
Speaker 5: you were comfortable.
Speaker 8: With It was total they had you had to give,
Speaker 8: you know, to show that you're.
Speaker 6: Just gonna say that, Jim, you gotta you gotta like
Speaker 6: your first job yourself.
Speaker 8: And yeah, I proved myself. You know.
Speaker 6: It was just.
Speaker 8: Totally And Michael tell you it was tough, you know,
Speaker 8: until they gained your respect and you proved yourself and
Speaker 8: then once you did that, you were basically welcome into
Speaker 8: the family. So it took me, I'd say like maybe
Speaker 8: two months month and a half. And we caught a
Speaker 8: ripping jab down on East to two and oh Man,
Speaker 8: right off the belt Parkway. I'll think of the name
Speaker 8: of the street. This place is raw and we get
Speaker 8: up to the second floor and the engine said, we're
Speaker 8: running out of air. You guys take the line who
Speaker 8: are you? Like?
Speaker 7: They always told, never say who you are?
Speaker 5: Well, it's.
Speaker 8: I gave it a line because he ran out of air.
Speaker 7: I was packing him up.
Speaker 8: He gave me the line. He ran down and grabbed
Speaker 8: his tank and knocked down two mbs of fire by myself,
Speaker 8: and some guy's yelling at me, who's got the nozzle?
Speaker 5: I go, it's me.
Speaker 7: Well who knew?
Speaker 8: I go find out And it turned out to be
Speaker 8: Timmy Higgins. I want to know who it was. And
Speaker 8: then that was it. That was the proving point.
Speaker 5: That's it?
Speaker 8: So, oh.
Speaker 5: Who was the other guy?
Speaker 8: Old? Got to remember the things.
Speaker 5: It'll come back to you, don't worry.
Speaker 8: That was it? Boris and East too?
Speaker 6: All right, you want to we'll get to Glenn and
Speaker 6: then we'll come back to Sandis. We'll sucked. So how
Speaker 6: did you come up with the idea? How did this come?
Speaker 6: How did they come to you? Kid?
Speaker 12: So, Jimmy and Danny Potter worked together in one twelve
Speaker 12: and Dane and I had just done the book They
Speaker 12: Saved New York, and Jimmy uh spoke to Dan and
Speaker 12: at funeral and said, hey, can I can I get
Speaker 12: Glenn's phone number and contact and Uh, dames like sure.
Speaker 12: So we called me up one day and he said,
Speaker 12: you remember me Rescue Too? Of course yeah, because we
Speaker 12: got on. I was in Massapequa, he was in Hempstead,
Speaker 12: same year, seventy four, well the same age, and uh,
Speaker 12: Jimmy calls me up and says, we got a one
Speaker 12: hundred year anniversary coming up and we want to do
Speaker 12: a book like on a company on a celebration, and
Speaker 12: can you come down?
Speaker 10: So took the trade up.
Speaker 12: He met me at Barkley Center and walked into quarters
Speaker 12: and an hour later I had had had an assignment
Speaker 12: with Rescue Too. And it was a really different than
Speaker 12: doing my own book because in the in the vernacular,
Speaker 12: I couldn't fuck it up and I had to be right.
Speaker 10: And then you know when when when Liam.
Speaker 12: Flattery puts his hand on your shoulder and says, you're
Speaker 12: gonna take care of this for us, You've got to
Speaker 12: take care of it.
Speaker 10: So I started, some of you guys know, I started
Speaker 10: in the Massive Peka Fire.
Speaker 12: Department and I still little skinny Jewish kid from Nasau
Speaker 12: Show's Massive Pequa.
Speaker 10: You know, I wanted to I wanted to get on
Speaker 10: a job. I screwed that up. But I've been around
Speaker 10: a job for fifty plus.
Speaker 8: Years, and I spent Listen, they're going to a job.
Speaker 10: Who massive peak job me, I said, every.
Speaker 12: I just met and we met up in the captain's
Speaker 12: table with Curtis, and you know, Lieutenant Quinn was there,
Speaker 12: Liam was there. Mike Myers just a gem of a guy.
Speaker 12: He's out of one twenty.
Speaker 6: He's uh.
Speaker 10: He was pretty much our contact in the company there.
Speaker 12: And the message that I have is that what we
Speaker 12: did for Rescue two, every company in the fire service
Speaker 12: needs to be able to do that.
Speaker 10: And and to be able to take one hundred.
Speaker 12: Years of history and put it together was a really
Speaker 12: really it was an honor to do. And we did
Speaker 12: in writing what Louis Koobs does every twice a week
Speaker 12: on the show. So that's that's that's my story. I'm
Speaker 12: sticking to it. What do you think of that firehouse?
Speaker 12: I mean, were you there?
Speaker 5: Did you move there? Jimmy, you were gone already when.
Speaker 8: They moved to the new I worked in the new firehouse.
Speaker 5: What do you think of that fire house?
Speaker 8: It was interesting and we going to the size of it.
Speaker 8: But and Mike will tell you if Bergin Street was
Speaker 8: unique in itself because all the guys are so close together,
Speaker 8: right because of the size of the quarters. And that's
Speaker 8: the only downside. You would say, the new files is
Speaker 8: so big and large that.
Speaker 6: You know, did you take the staircase out of that?
Speaker 6: I always felt like that staircase was like no. But
Speaker 6: I remember staying the wood like worn out from all
Speaker 6: of the guys going up down there. Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 8: There was no there was no poll in the fireouse
Speaker 8: to slide from the second floor to first you ran
Speaker 8: down the stairs. Yeah, so it was unique in itself.
Speaker 6: Almost left me there like three times.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it wasn't waiting, so I have to tell you that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you're in the detail. Yeah you got the door,
Speaker 6: all right, no problem. As soon as the rig pulls out,
Speaker 6: just jump on the back, okay, no problem. Wise out
Speaker 6: I hit the button and I am in full sprint,
Speaker 6: and I weighed like one hundred and seventy five pounds
Speaker 6: and I just barely made grabbing out to the back
Speaker 6: of the rig.
Speaker 8: Like good, you stood on the you know, you stood
Speaker 8: on the back step and we hit it. You would swing.
Speaker 5: Down as far as the proximity to get now quick
Speaker 5: and getting at the boxes quick is it a better location.
Speaker 8: It turned out to be a pretty It turned out
Speaker 8: to be pretty good or an excellent location, right because
Speaker 8: you're right at the foot of being in Brownsville, East,
Speaker 8: New York, going up to Crown Heights. You had King's Highway.
Speaker 8: You could shoot right down at the Flatbush.
Speaker 7: It was perfect.
Speaker 6: No, definitely closer to one twenty over there, right, I
Speaker 6: mean are they running into them like first and second?
Speaker 8: Do now run in first?
Speaker 6: Do with them?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 8: And it was perfect because you hit all the major
Speaker 8: thoroughfans did. Eastern Park where you can King's Highway, you
Speaker 8: can hit Atlantic Aby, but you know into Borough if
Speaker 8: you needed to shoot into Queens. So it was the
Speaker 8: ideal location to go. You hated to leave Bergen Street. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but you know, times they changed and the firehouse is
Speaker 8: falling apart. There's nothing you can do.
Speaker 5: What are they going to do with that building now?
Speaker 5: No nos, no, friends of firefighters were trying to get
Speaker 5: a hold of that somehow, friends of firefighters.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: That's a lesson.
Speaker 7: I know the community was trying to get it itself too.
Speaker 5: They were too Yeah, you get a community center or
Speaker 5: something like that.
Speaker 6: Really is the only building on the block there. It's
Speaker 6: like pretty funny, actually it is.
Speaker 8: And I think of one time the parks department wanted
Speaker 8: to get that property back because of a ball field.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right across the street.
Speaker 6: Right, Well, you guys, you guys took the front door
Speaker 6: of Bergen and put it in.
Speaker 10: I didn't know.
Speaker 7: I was already gone.
Speaker 6: That's cool.
Speaker 8: We took the front door, just like Rescue one took
Speaker 8: when they burnd they fireouts down.
Speaker 6: They took the whole front of h No, I didn't
Speaker 6: know that. That's cool. I didn't see that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Hey, Glenn, let me ask you a quick question. When
Speaker 6: you were doing the book, what were you when you
Speaker 6: get you know, we're given this uh task? What what
Speaker 6: was your what was your plan? Like what we did?
Speaker 6: Did they give you the the outline or what they
Speaker 6: wanted or.
Speaker 5: Did you and Lieutenant Pettit did a lot of research, right, yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think what what Jimmy doesn't take enough credit,
Speaker 12: but Jimmy with with a lot of help, Jimmy uh
Speaker 12: wrote the history.
Speaker 10: Of the company, and so I was more of a coordinator,
Speaker 10: and I coordinator editor, publisher, photo editor, and and put
Speaker 10: everything in order.
Speaker 12: So from the first book that I did, I learned,
Speaker 12: you know what what actually makes makes a book? And uh,
Speaker 12: then this was this was this was application of the
Speaker 12: lessons learned. So I think what and it was funny
Speaker 12: because Jimmy and I had a lot of time talking
Speaker 12: about this. They Save New York was basically about the
Speaker 12: ninety people that are in the book, and so I
Speaker 12: wanted to take a little bit of.
Speaker 10: The characters because you know, a firehouse is a firehouse.
Speaker 10: You know, a rig is a rig. But everything about
Speaker 10: Rescue two is a piece of guys. And four hundred or.
Speaker 12: Three hundred and ninety eight others has been four hundred
Speaker 12: guys who've been members of Rescue Too since nineteen twenty five.
Speaker 10: Says, four hundred guys.
Speaker 6: That's pretty crazy, man. And so we wanted to do.
Speaker 12: Something and celebrate, celebrate both the history of the company
Speaker 12: and I wanted to do a lot, you know, just
Speaker 12: put a little bit of the people and get that
Speaker 12: that's that's the thing that That's what I brought to
Speaker 12: the project, was putting putting the people in there, because
Speaker 12: it's the it's really the company.
Speaker 10: Like I said, there's a rig and they go to
Speaker 10: fires and there's.
Speaker 12: A firehouse and a bunch of different quarters. But it's
Speaker 12: the people, it's the characters, it's it's the there's no
Speaker 12: other company in the city that has more more metals.
Speaker 10: I mean, that's it.
Speaker 6: And you know and and but you want to rescue one?
Speaker 8: No, I think so, Mike, Really.
Speaker 7: We would have to refer to hashegan on that one?
Speaker 7: Would I wouldn't even try against metals?
Speaker 6: Right, Well, we could just look at hash As Lapel
Speaker 6: and we could understand that that's what I'm already.
Speaker 5: So I'll throw it out to you. Who was the
Speaker 5: most time and rescue?
Speaker 6: Two?
Speaker 5: What fire fighters spent the most time in rescue?
Speaker 1: Too?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 8: Dwayne Wood really would do? What time that I did?
Speaker 8: What do you do? I think over twenty five? Twenty five?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 6: Because he had like four I think he was in
Speaker 6: two ninety he went there, I think with four or
Speaker 6: five years. So whatever he ended up having, that's how
Speaker 6: much time he did over there.
Speaker 5: I think eighty.
Speaker 6: Let's I could be wrong though.
Speaker 8: What he got on in July ninth of eighty seven,
Speaker 8: he was in the class behind me eighty seven.
Speaker 7: He got there.
Speaker 8: He had twelve years on.
Speaker 7: A job when he got there.
Speaker 6: Oh, he did have that much. Say, you know, what
Speaker 6: then what he.
Speaker 8: Did over twenty five.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm not pat myself on the back by
Speaker 8: no means, but I did just try at twenty four.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that goes to show like when they Glenn
Speaker 7: said there was four hundred you know, firemen assigned to
Speaker 7: rescue too. You know, a lot of these men stayed
Speaker 7: there for many years. It wasn't like, you know, two
Speaker 7: or three years and they went somewhere else.
Speaker 6: You know what it is, Mike, when you're in the
Speaker 6: busiest place on earth, you know, you don't really take
Speaker 6: promotions maybe sometimes you know what I mean, or I
Speaker 6: mean Liams, I mean that probably happened more times. You know,
Speaker 6: guys hauled off or they postponed, you know, because that's
Speaker 6: that's a chance of a lifetime, right, I mean that's
Speaker 6: the truth.
Speaker 7: So, yeah, a lot of guys spent over ten years
Speaker 7: there as almost like an average.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was the average over ten ten years and
Speaker 8: plus was the average.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because guys wouldn't want to study, right, You wouldn't
Speaker 6: want to study until you felt like, all right, I
Speaker 6: got a good taste. I'm I'm good, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, Like it's time to get a change. Maybe
Speaker 6: or something, you know what I mean, like everybody sometimes yeah, and.
Speaker 5: You know when when the twelve percent came along, not
Speaker 5: that we asked for it because we were there before it.
Speaker 5: But why would you want to study? You're the busiest
Speaker 5: company in the world and you make it almost lieutenant's pay, right,
Speaker 5: why would you want to leave there? I would want
Speaker 5: to leave.
Speaker 8: There exactly, And then you would get big turnovers, you know,
Speaker 8: like in Mike's you know, Eric in the late eighties
Speaker 8: or mid eighties to nineties, what was there eight or
Speaker 8: nine guys on your promotion list for lieutenant, right, Mike,
Speaker 8: So they was almost eight to ten guys just on
Speaker 8: that promotion list. So now you got to backfill, right,
Speaker 8: you know, So you know, it's pop job for a captain,
Speaker 8: Like where am I going to pick from?
Speaker 7: And who am I going to pick?
Speaker 6: Speaking of that gym quick, not to cut you off,
Speaker 6: but I think we say this on the show all
Speaker 6: the time, like there's like I loved every part of
Speaker 6: the job all my time, but there were times in
Speaker 6: my career where there was like these sweet spots where
Speaker 6: it was a couple of years, you know, where everything
Speaker 6: was on the same thing for you, Mike, Like it
Speaker 6: was just these you came to work, everybody was on
Speaker 6: the same page. It's just like you went Jared, working
Speaker 6: with the guys that you were really working with and
Speaker 6: going to fires and you know, maybe not so much
Speaker 6: bullshit or whatever, and it just feels like there's a
Speaker 6: couple of times in your career where that was really
Speaker 6: you know then obviously nine to eleven happened, or for
Speaker 6: me it was when Schilfani got killed and you know,
Speaker 6: changed the firehouse, Like did you have that that that's
Speaker 6: the question for both you. I'll go to Jimmy first,
Speaker 6: like did you have like times where you felt like
Speaker 6: this was like perfect or it was the same the
Speaker 6: whole time.
Speaker 8: Mike could probably back me up. When you work with
Speaker 8: the same guys, you get to know them. You get
Speaker 8: to know when you go to fires, I knew where
Speaker 8: if I had the irons, and whoever had the hook,
Speaker 8: I knew where he was going, and vice versa. So
Speaker 8: we were always in each other's minds and we fed
Speaker 8: off of each other, and so far as we knew somebody,
Speaker 8: you know, one of our company members always had our backs.
Speaker 8: We always had made sure that not only for ourselves
Speaker 8: but Gotha bid something went down in the job. We
Speaker 8: were there for the guys, you know, and that's what
Speaker 8: the rescue is about, right on the job and you know,
Speaker 8: finding first and civilian second, or vice versa, or however
Speaker 8: you want to look at it. But we always had
Speaker 8: each other's back, watching out and we I knew exactly
Speaker 8: where whoever I was working with, I knew where they
Speaker 8: were going to be.
Speaker 6: I think that also comes and then we'll get to
Speaker 6: Mike now because I want to hear his story. Two
Speaker 6: with that, I think that comes from the fact that
Speaker 6: you had such long times there, right, Like some firehouses
Speaker 6: you could you could have turnover in three or four years.
Speaker 6: You can have like half the guy's gone, right. So
Speaker 6: that's where I'm saying, Like you get the new influx
Speaker 6: of guys and it's kind of not the same. And
Speaker 6: you know, that type of thing goes through the majority
Speaker 6: of guys in the regular you know, uh, manpower out
Speaker 6: there right in in any fire house. But for you guys,
Speaker 6: the fact that you had you know, the same officers, right,
Speaker 6: I mean, you knew what to expect all the time.
Speaker 6: You had like like getting back to what you'd be saying,
Speaker 6: that's ten years was if that's the average, that's that's
Speaker 6: so that makes a sweet spot even longer. You know
Speaker 6: what I mean, right, Mike, I mean that's just it
Speaker 6: just goes for longer and longer than that I think
Speaker 6: it does.
Speaker 7: And what happens too, is the longer you're there, you
Speaker 7: move up in seniority and you know, new guys start
Speaker 7: coming in all over, and like what Jimmy said, you
Speaker 7: get out of your comfort zone a little bit because
Speaker 7: you're so used to the guys that used to work with.
Speaker 7: When I first arrived, it was all senior men. You know,
Speaker 7: Jack Cleehouse, he bonded, you know, Leiolpi, all these guys.
Speaker 6: That guy's name comes up a lot.
Speaker 7: Man, my goodness, he is phenomenal.
Speaker 6: He's probably smart, quiet right quiet, you know, extremely.
Speaker 7: Extremely talented, extremely aggressive. There was nothing he couldn't do.
Speaker 1: A lot.
Speaker 7: You know, he was battle tested. And now with the
Speaker 7: new guys, now now you feel like, well they're not
Speaker 7: tested yet. You know their experienced fireman, but you really
Speaker 7: don't know them personally, and so you get used to
Speaker 7: them and work with them, and then you know, you
Speaker 7: get that comfort zone back. But you know, on my end,
Speaker 7: it was you know, it was time. I was fifteen
Speaker 7: years in a job when I got promoted, So it
Speaker 7: was about that time to try something different, right, And
Speaker 7: you know, not only that, but also you know financially,
Speaker 7: you know, we weren't getting the races we were getting.
Speaker 7: You know, I think in the fifteen years you might
Speaker 7: have got like three contracts. You know, that's where the
Speaker 7: city was going. So you know, it's a little bit
Speaker 7: of as you get more senior position, you know, do
Speaker 7: you want to spend your rest? You have to make
Speaker 7: that move where you were to stay there or you're
Speaker 7: going to get promoted. And that's, you know, a personal decision.
Speaker 10: Everybody.
Speaker 7: Everybody takes it a different way and it depends on
Speaker 7: not only your fire house but also your family life.
Speaker 6: But that's getting back to my point. Is it changes, right,
Speaker 6: So you went from this sweet spot to now you
Speaker 6: get promoted and then now you're in a new play.
Speaker 6: You're bouncing around, maybe you get a firehouse, and it
Speaker 6: takes a while to get that comfort back, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, It does take some time to before
Speaker 6: you really in that you know, where you really got.
Speaker 5: Jimmy worked with right until they knew that they could
Speaker 5: trust you, where they knew that they would test it.
Speaker 5: They probably felt the same, Where is this guy going
Speaker 5: to be where he's supposed to be? You know it
Speaker 5: took a while absolutely trust him.
Speaker 8: Never got comfortable because if you got comfortable.
Speaker 6: Got that you dropped your guard.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you never and then like if you knew everything.
Speaker 7: You did, yeah you never know.
Speaker 6: You never know everything.
Speaker 8: You learned something every day. I don't care how many
Speaker 8: you chat on the job. Every day you walked in
Speaker 8: that files, you learned something.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 8: If you knew everything, then guess.
Speaker 5: What you don't.
Speaker 6: How great is Woody Man? How great is that?
Speaker 5: One of the best?
Speaker 6: Uh he just retired. I mean I don't, I don't
Speaker 6: he's gonna tell me to go fuck myself, but it's
Speaker 6: I freaking love that guy.
Speaker 7: He's just so like we had almost founded guys.
Speaker 6: Dude, he's such a job the biggest heart, right. I
Speaker 6: know he does. I know he does. I always had
Speaker 6: a good relationship with him, But I just know from
Speaker 6: like in the we have the group, the group me
Speaker 6: like for for the two ninety one oh three, you
Speaker 6: know he's in there and he'll just like every once
Speaker 6: in a while he'll just throw like a one line
Speaker 6: out that's just perfect. It just lacks everybody back like
Speaker 6: a little bit, you know, it just classic shit. He's
Speaker 6: just a forty bastard.
Speaker 8: Yeah, one of the best, one of the most talented guys.
Speaker 8: You could build anything. Wow, you know he was so andy.
Speaker 6: You doing anything, well, you'll still be going, right, he'd
Speaker 6: still be going.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Did you drive, Jimmy? Will you show for there?
Speaker 7: I think I was just show for maybe ten years?
Speaker 5: There you were?
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you drove?
Speaker 5: I just Liam.
Speaker 8: Then right after that I drove. I drove Captain Rouvlo,
Speaker 8: and then I drove you know, Captain Flowery. Definitely.
Speaker 6: How different were the captains from each other?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 6: Are they do? They have a lot of similarities, are they?
Speaker 6: You know, like officers could be totally different.
Speaker 8: They were unique in the in themselves. They had totally
Speaker 8: two different personalities. But you learned from both personalities if
Speaker 8: that makes sense? Sure, you know, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 8: both excellent captains.
Speaker 5: How long has Captain Flowery there? He's there a while?
Speaker 8: Now his biological clock is going backwards.
Speaker 6: You just had a kid right out. Bless him, God,
Speaker 6: bless him.
Speaker 7: I told him, God, bless you.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 8: I don't biological clocks going backwards to me.
Speaker 6: To me, having a kid right now is like going
Speaker 6: into a triple subseller, Like I don't want no part
Speaker 6: of it.
Speaker 5: I think and rest you want a couple of times, hey,
Speaker 5: rescue is it a triple subseller? Get down there?
Speaker 7: The same amount of stands going down? Or is it
Speaker 7: going up?
Speaker 12: I literally got something to answer to what you were
Speaker 12: the question you were asking and when you when you
Speaker 12: were on a rig and and rescue too. And it's
Speaker 12: really unique when you're.
Speaker 10: Going to a fire. The concentration on the back.
Speaker 12: There isn't a side word spoken everybody, and it's it's,
Speaker 12: you know, different than riding in an engine or a
Speaker 12: truck because everybody's sitting on the bench seat, but there
Speaker 12: isn't a side word spoken. Every year is on the
Speaker 12: department radio and the handy talkie radio and they are listening,
Speaker 12: and it's just it's just different than than any other
Speaker 12: company I've written with it. I've been around the city
Speaker 12: for over fifty years, and it's just it's there's a
Speaker 12: there's a just a special concentration there that that that
Speaker 12: that you know. And again with with Jimmy and and Mike,
Speaker 12: we're talking about fireing for a civilian second, and that
Speaker 12: is they are they are are are really intense on that.
Speaker 12: And I was I was talking to to Mike Myers
Speaker 12: today and he has one of the things that that
Speaker 12: really impressed me is that from the days of Freddie
Speaker 12: Gallagher is that the statistics are you say, firefighters when
Speaker 12: you're in the building and instead of fast tip trucks outside,
Speaker 12: rescue's mission is to be inside the building if something
Speaker 12: goes bad, and and that that dedication to to listening
Speaker 12: and and it's it's really it's it's different than and
Speaker 12: it's a different mindset. And uh, I know and appreciate
Speaker 12: we were talking about Freddie Gallagher, but Liam did a
Speaker 12: did an amazing job at the at the dedication, at
Speaker 12: the ceremony of talking about how Freddie Gallagher really changed
Speaker 12: not just rescue too, how the job looked at rescue too.
Speaker 12: But that pretty much changed how the job looked at
Speaker 12: all five.
Speaker 10: Of the rescues.
Speaker 12: And you know, it's just it's a it's just almost
Speaker 12: like I think Mike and Jimmy will uh agree with me,
Speaker 12: it's a higher calling and and what you know, what
Speaker 12: what the rescue's job is. You know, everybody has a
Speaker 12: good time but when when the ship really hits the fan,
Speaker 12: rescue is going to work. And and rescue too gets
Speaker 12: more work than anybody else, so they do it a lot.
Speaker 12: But it's it's it's really it's a concentration. It's just
Speaker 12: a life of concentration. And you know, you're talking about
Speaker 12: guys on a job one year or guys in a
Speaker 12: rescue one year or ten years, but it is that
Speaker 12: is a they sit around and you know when you
Speaker 12: when you have a lunch or dinner, you're talking about fires,
Speaker 12: and you know, the TV's on and everything else. But
Speaker 12: that's a place that lives. That that is you know,
Speaker 12: that is a it's it's a mission, and it's pretty
Speaker 12: pretty obvious. There's a there's a reason you know that
Speaker 12: that people are in the rescue and they stay there.
Speaker 12: And I just one other thing I want to say
Speaker 12: on that. And got to know Liam pretty well, and
Speaker 12: he said to me, Glenn, he says, when I go
Speaker 12: out the door, I know every guy in the back,
Speaker 12: he said, I know every.
Speaker 10: One of their capabilities. I know what they're going to do.
Speaker 12: I know and what Jimmy said earlier, I know what
Speaker 12: they're going to go do, what they where they're going
Speaker 12: how they're going to do it. And he said, I don't.
Speaker 12: I don't let details in the company. He said, when
Speaker 12: I'm he said, the guy's either a rescue guy or
Speaker 12: a sock guy. He says, detailed guy from from you know,
Speaker 12: whatever truck companies isn't coming to work and Rescue.
Speaker 10: Two, you know, for the night.
Speaker 12: And that's pretty intense. And that is it, you know,
Speaker 12: a dedication to what you're doing and how you're doing it.
Speaker 12: And I think that's part of the the the special
Speaker 12: that you know that that not the allure of Rescue two,
Speaker 12: but it's it's really a special place. You know, these
Speaker 12: two guys who worked there, you know, they they they
Speaker 12: they lived it. I just was a keen observer there.
Speaker 12: You know, I spent six months there almost once or
Speaker 12: twice a week, but you know, they lived it, and
Speaker 12: it's it's really it's just a certain it's a mindset
Speaker 12: that I wish everybody in the fire service was able
Speaker 12: to see what I saw.
Speaker 8: Mike would tell you too, Listen, we were blessed, We
Speaker 8: were lucky guys to get there. We were blessed to
Speaker 8: work with the men that we did work with, and
Speaker 8: all the information that they taught us to become better fineman.
Speaker 8: We were, you know, we were fineman, but we became
Speaker 8: better through all their learning and teachings apart that they
Speaker 8: set down upon us over the years working with them.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, it's a long I mean you just go
Speaker 6: through the legendary guys. I mean we've talked. We talk
Speaker 6: about it every every week. I mean you think about
Speaker 6: all of the guys I LP and the Vidge and
Speaker 6: you know, Danny Murphy and you know you can get
Speaker 6: boy Solomon. I know so many guys Clearhouse, Clearhouse, you.
Speaker 7: Know, like Yankee.
Speaker 8: You know, oh time is.
Speaker 5: Like that guy's even better.
Speaker 6: That's the baby, that's the baby. Yeah, yeah, no doubt man.
Speaker 8: They never and I would say as well as myself
Speaker 8: probably Mike, we never thought of ourselves like that. We
Speaker 8: just thought of ourselves as regular fine and doing our jobs.
Speaker 6: Stackpole. I was thinking about him, you know, I was
Speaker 6: just thinking about that too.
Speaker 10: You know his son is in the company now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, wow, yes, I didn't know that. Yeah, sorry, Miking.
Speaker 7: When you go you talk about you know, you guys
Speaker 7: at that have served and Rescue two, you go back
Speaker 7: to the origination of the company, right, you look at
Speaker 7: those men coming on board, right, and what they went through. You, No,
Speaker 7: they set the stage for everybody started right.
Speaker 6: They started right exactly, and their.
Speaker 7: First mission as a rescue company, starting with Rescue one,
Speaker 7: was you know, to resist take firement on the scene. Yeah,
Speaker 7: so that's where that you started when Glenn was speaking about,
Speaker 7: you know, looking out for firemen. So that was the
Speaker 7: original mission statement for a rescue, right.
Speaker 5: So you just continued doing so much success that the
Speaker 5: city said that I think it's time for another rescue.
Speaker 5: And the difference between one and two, I believe is
Speaker 5: that their own training in house, so they weren't trained
Speaker 5: like Rescue one was trained at a location before they
Speaker 5: went online. I think that one of the uh uh
Speaker 5: the account of maybe the last school or wherever they
Speaker 5: were trained. But Rescue too did all the training in
Speaker 5: house before they went online, right.
Speaker 7: And the first rescue, like Rescue one, they had similar
Speaker 7: to the squads, they had tryouts, right, and they selected
Speaker 7: their members that way, and then they went to the
Speaker 7: school and trained. And you know, when Rescue one was formed,
Speaker 7: they had a fire in a submarine in the Navy yard, correct,
Speaker 7: And what happened is, you know, it took him so
Speaker 7: long to get there from where their location was on
Speaker 7: Great Jones Street, that you know they got time they
Speaker 7: got there. They did a tremendous job. They saved a
Speaker 7: lot of lives, but if they would have got there sooner,
Speaker 7: they would have saved more. And when the job looked
Speaker 7: at that, that's when they made a determination. We need
Speaker 7: to know the rescue company in Brooklyn.
Speaker 5: And you had a couple of guys from Rescue one
Speaker 5: who had been promoted. Right, I believe it will work correct.
Speaker 7: Captain O'Leary was the first that he was one of
Speaker 7: the original members of Rescue one. And when the lieutenants,
Speaker 7: the original lieutenants Rescue two was from Rescue one, also.
Speaker 8: Right, and then Kissing Berger.
Speaker 5: Oh, Kissing Berger too.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 8: He was a legend. You know. He came from Rescue
Speaker 8: one to Rescue two, gets promoted, goes to Rescue one,
Speaker 8: slide opens up and Rescue two and he comes back
Speaker 8: as a lieutenant Rescue two.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 5: And that's when they were. They were originally on.
Speaker 8: J Street, I think Elton, and then they went to
Speaker 8: J Street and they came back to Carlton and.
Speaker 6: The one that Ornate firehouse coops. That's that big.
Speaker 5: Yes, Yeah, that's headquarters. It had the round of round
Speaker 5: opening right. It was a Carlton Jay and then back
Speaker 5: to Carlton and over to.
Speaker 6: Bergen as Sandy's what that guy? That guy that Tommy Donnelly.
Speaker 8: That was at nine o'clock in the morning the night
Speaker 8: the night tour. I think we had three seconds and
Speaker 8: two old hands. Wow, and that was the day of
Speaker 8: the I knew what do you call it? Took that
Speaker 8: picture Sandy Williams because that day was sad. He was
Speaker 8: the Belmont Race, so he would always go to Belmont
Speaker 8: Race and come.
Speaker 7: In and ride with us.
Speaker 6: Who's that? Who's that boss there?
Speaker 7: Jim Tony was a Fineman rescue too.
Speaker 5: Kevin o'rooke didn't fit the mold. He was too nice
Speaker 5: of a guy.
Speaker 8: Man, that guy wasn't man.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's the best.
Speaker 7: You know, yell at him.
Speaker 8: Kevin would apologize for them, you know, don't you know
Speaker 8: they're all right, they're very.
Speaker 5: I didn't fit the rescue too bold, that guy like he's.
Speaker 8: Too Tommy Donald, Timmy Higgins, myself, Louis Sherriff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Tommy Donald's another humble dude.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 6: He just every time I you know, I send him
Speaker 6: a text or something. He always texts me back. I
Speaker 6: know he's got a lot going on. I think he's
Speaker 6: doing some political stuff. But uh, you know the.
Speaker 9: Guys a twist, yeah, mister Steele and sex appeals that
Speaker 9: they say right, that same to be.
Speaker 6: That seemed to be a common theme too, like guys
Speaker 6: from two going to one? Right, quite a few guys
Speaker 6: that and did that Mike uh, Tommy Donald did. Billy
Speaker 6: Ryan was Billy Ryan, and two he was right?
Speaker 8: Three?
Speaker 6: Was it three? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, the one time you had all the lieutenants
Speaker 8: from Rescue one and four all Fineman and Rescue two.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Today she did the opposite, he went from one
Speaker 5: to two right, m hm oh the fisher Gallagher and.
Speaker 8: Ye yeah, Keith Gallagher will come to breakfast. You know
Speaker 8: he comes to breakfast now and then uh huh.
Speaker 6: He's like a button people talk to you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, everyone goes because they want to listen to his stories.
Speaker 6: Coobs always says to me, you think he at the
Speaker 6: chief chief. Gally Freddy was his his son was my
Speaker 6: chauffriend when I was three. For a long time, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't I don't know if I could get I
Speaker 6: don't know that would be too Uh you think he
Speaker 6: would come on Jim, Probably not right.
Speaker 5: Don't you know?
Speaker 8: You'd probably call him, he'll answer the phone. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 8: he showed up, you know what, a hundred down of versery. Afterwards,
Speaker 8: you know, he sat down and was talking with everybody.
Speaker 8: I think he was, you know, in his glory that day,
Speaker 8: seeing everybody from when he would working when he worked
Speaker 8: there in the rescue too.
Speaker 5: Only one way to find out.
Speaker 6: Rough who's the who's the other guy? Coves that? Uh?
Speaker 6: I never remember the fucker's name from the four one? Uh,
Speaker 6: Jack Pritchard Pritchet That guy.
Speaker 5: Picked up the phone once. Hey you can have I'm like.
Speaker 8: It was funny because how many chiefs who were fineming
Speaker 8: and rescue too become chief in the four one battalion
Speaker 8: had Jack Pritchett clear.
Speaker 6: House, right, you had this guy Tom.
Speaker 8: Oh boy just drew a blank. I'll think of it. No,
Speaker 8: oh boy, I just drew a blank. Ah. It was
Speaker 8: a Tom and a Bob there caught that same last name.
Speaker 5: Three off, I said, I think of it.
Speaker 8: Let me google real fist. Lou We were talking about
Speaker 8: Captain Gallaghermly was a fireman and rescue too, and was
Speaker 8: a chief and a four one battalion that was.
Speaker 6: Like the plane crash though there was got What were
Speaker 6: you saying, Mike.
Speaker 7: Well, we're talking about Freddy Gallagher earlier before he started
Speaker 7: the show. He was instrumental and turning around the rescue
Speaker 7: company from more of a special unit to you know,
Speaker 7: what the rescue should be. And he wrote the mission
Speaker 7: of the rescue company like nineteen seventy four when he
Speaker 7: first got there as a captain. He was a fireman
Speaker 7: there as well. I didn't know that in the sixties.
Speaker 7: So when he wrote the mission to rescue outlining what
Speaker 7: the rescue can it cannot do, and how he can
Speaker 7: be instrumental for the chief officers, that he turned around
Speaker 7: because before he got there, they had certain battalions they
Speaker 7: would respond to on the first alarm, and then certain
Speaker 7: battalions on the second law and then special calls after that,
Speaker 7: so they really didn't run that often. When they did work,
Speaker 7: when they got special call, they did work. They did
Speaker 7: a lot of great work. But Freddie got there, excuse
Speaker 7: me calling I got there. He was instrumental and putting
Speaker 7: them on ten seventy fives, you know, not only in
Speaker 7: those battalions that were he would first do at but
Speaker 7: spread it throughout the entire borough. And they had a
Speaker 7: little bit of a conflict with the guys that were
Speaker 7: there before he got there that didn't really want to
Speaker 7: do that. They wanted to be a special unit, just
Speaker 7: be special called all changed. They changed, and he changed it.
Speaker 7: And he went and built a company in his his
Speaker 7: eyes and what he wanted it to be. And he
Speaker 7: brought over those guys we were talking about earlier, you know,
Speaker 7: Cleehouse and all those guys, and he changed the company
Speaker 7: to make it a true fire company, fire rescue company.
Speaker 5: Did you I didn't see it in the book here,
Speaker 5: but I had read in the Brooklyn Eagle that their
Speaker 5: very first job though that day they almost died.
Speaker 8: What's that they almost all died?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they almost. The first job that they went to, it.
Speaker 7: Was a full story loft building in Furman Street, and
Speaker 7: they were called on a second along a special call,
Speaker 7: and they were assigned to the top floor of the
Speaker 7: fire building. And it was a captain and two of
Speaker 7: the firemen that wound up getting, you know, unconscious on
Speaker 7: the fire floor. There was a backdraft that almost blew
Speaker 7: two other fire rescue two firemen off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they actually pulled them out down the
Speaker 5: portable right now and.
Speaker 7: Had recesitatum in the street to were transport at the
Speaker 7: hospital and recessitated there. So it would have been the
Speaker 7: life of rescue two at that time, could have been
Speaker 7: just seven days.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a picture in the Yeah it's in the
Speaker 8: Brooklyn Eagle of them laying in the sitting in the street.
Speaker 8: I have that our company.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that, that picture before you
Speaker 6: guys went to Now they went to the plane crash
Speaker 6: and this party within like went to a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: Days, three days.
Speaker 6: I remember we talked, We talked about that, Yeah, talking
Speaker 6: about that.
Speaker 8: It was they think two days later.
Speaker 6: Uh, Bobby Mosa was also in the four one.
Speaker 8: Bobby Mosa was in the foll one right, but they
Speaker 8: said the deck was so hot that boots were melting.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a tough fire We did that with
Speaker 5: We did a whole show on that and that was
Speaker 5: a crazy fire man.
Speaker 6: Like what those guys did to get to Again, you're
Speaker 6: talking about how many nineteen sixty like they had nothing,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like you saw what that
Speaker 6: that ship just looked like right there. It was like incredible,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's why Lieutenant Hamilton was him in uh
Speaker 7: Hemmy's archer. Hank Searcher started rescuing the people below deck
Speaker 7: and when Lieutenant Hamilton passed out and Hank Searcher had
Speaker 7: to put him on his shoulder and carrying up the
Speaker 7: ladder when he was unconscious, and both were received. I
Speaker 7: think class once for that rescue.
Speaker 6: Murphy as I help downing strong guy. Somebody squinting there,
Speaker 6: I think that's Sandas Cameron. We didn't talk about Cameron.
Speaker 6: He's seeing a guy, one of the senior guys, Cameron.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 1: Now they got a shook. Guy did too, I did.
Speaker 5: I have to say.
Speaker 6: When I watched the the uh the centennial day and
Speaker 6: everybody was getting up and speaking, I thought that Jimmy Love,
Speaker 6: I think he did a great job. Yeah, I did
Speaker 6: a great job.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 1: Is this Paul By the.
Speaker 7: Way, that's Charlie Williams.
Speaker 8: Charlie Williams.
Speaker 1: Took it up.
Speaker 10: I think that's a U. Two photographers.
Speaker 12: You got to mention all the all the great photographers
Speaker 12: who contributed to to two guys who went over and
Speaker 12: above and found pictures from this era actually three Bobby
Speaker 12: Dispatcher and of course Warren Fuchs and uh John Dwyer and.
Speaker 10: You know to guys is Grogan and Lloyd Mitchell.
Speaker 5: Takes great pictures.
Speaker 7: He's down.
Speaker 1: Put my glasses on over God, Wow, you need to
Speaker 1: get some prescription, chick.
Speaker 5: The way I got into doing is, you know, he
Speaker 5: had to be stole upon you.
Speaker 8: So after the death of Billy Moon, and you know, Kevin,
Speaker 8: when you lose a guy in a fire or after
Speaker 8: fall this day fire, you know, your minds are going
Speaker 8: in ten thousand different directions. So after Billy Moon passed away,
Speaker 8: I figured, you know what, I'll see what I could
Speaker 8: do to help them out. And I called Paul Hairshaken,
Speaker 8: who I've known for years, and I went over his house.
Speaker 8: I go, how do you start writing a history? And
Speaker 8: Paul spent a good three hours with me telling me
Speaker 8: where to research, how to research, and what to look for,
Speaker 8: and then he gave me a few pointers and he
Speaker 8: gave me information as well, and then I just took
Speaker 8: off from there. And it took me about maybe three
Speaker 8: months right to do all this research, looking up finding
Speaker 8: all these guys. So Paul hash Egging was a big
Speaker 8: contributor helping maybe make this and then I could just
Speaker 8: keep going. Mike Penna helped me out great time. John
Speaker 8: Paulson down at the library.
Speaker 5: There was a lot of stuff, and you know what
Speaker 5: it is that all that stuff is digitalized now digitized digitalized,
Speaker 5: so he could send that in an email Twitter.
Speaker 8: What was funny was he gave me a list of
Speaker 8: all the medal winners as well as unit citations, and
Speaker 8: I sent them back an email and said, you left
Speaker 8: three guys out that won medals and you left out
Speaker 8: three unit citations.
Speaker 6: Really, so he calls me up.
Speaker 7: He goes, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I go, I'm telling you, I'll tell you where to
Speaker 8: find them. He goes, I got to research this. And
Speaker 8: two days later he called me up. He goes, you're
Speaker 8: absolutely right. There are three more medal winners that you
Speaker 8: found as well as three unit citations.
Speaker 10: That's pretty good.
Speaker 5: Where's Freddy Galla?
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, right next to the chief on the right there.
Speaker 6: The chops put that door back up there. Can you
Speaker 6: imagine if you had that door right now? Uh huh.
Speaker 8: That's that's in the new firehouse, Is it that?
Speaker 1: What was in the office that was like from nineteen
Speaker 1: save us some history there, man.
Speaker 10: And then I go back to the picture of Christina
Speaker 10: Moon and her kids.
Speaker 1: They gave me one second. It's a little further down there.
Speaker 5: We go, oh.
Speaker 6: Yeah it.
Speaker 8: So after I did all this, I went to the
Speaker 8: firehouse and I told him, listen, I know your plates full.
Speaker 8: I go, I had nothing to do. So here's the
Speaker 8: company history. You could read it if you like it. Fine,
Speaker 8: if you don't, there, throw it in the garbage. And
Speaker 8: it wouldn't offend me at all. And then they, like
Speaker 8: a week later they called this. They called me up
Speaker 8: and they go, it's pretty impressive the amount of work
Speaker 8: that you did.
Speaker 7: And uh, I go, all right, then we'll just run
Speaker 7: with it.
Speaker 8: You guys want to add the leite change, that's your job,
Speaker 8: that's your firehouse, whatever you want to do. And then
Speaker 8: Mike helped me out. And then, like Glenn said, all
Speaker 8: the guys that had pictures, you know, they Jim Reagan,
Speaker 8: you know Bobby Dannis. Bobby Dannas was a big buff
Speaker 8: back then before he got on the.
Speaker 6: Job, killing me, killing me. He never comes on he's
Speaker 6: killing me.
Speaker 5: You gotta be.
Speaker 6: Kind to him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, did you feel a lot of pressure right in this.
Speaker 7: No, none at all.
Speaker 8: As a matter of fact, it became addicting. It does, right,
Speaker 8: I told you, yeah, I started nine o'clock and the
Speaker 8: next thing my wife would say, you know it's six thirty.
Speaker 5: You get lost looking at old articles and researching. You
Speaker 5: get lost in it, man.
Speaker 8: And what you would find. I mean, like Mike said,
Speaker 8: they you know, when the rescues became what they were
Speaker 8: back then in the twenties twenty five and twenty six,
Speaker 8: their main job was to save the firefighters because of
Speaker 8: the amount of ammonia.
Speaker 7: That was in the buildings.
Speaker 8: You got to remember all the warehouses that was their
Speaker 8: refrigeration system emmonia, So you get ammonia leaks as well
Speaker 8: as it was in the housing of some homes. Yep,
Speaker 8: they get ammonia leaks that they would have to go out.
Speaker 8: So they had these pulminators and they had these inhales
Speaker 8: to revive people, and they would work on people. You
Speaker 8: read the stories, they'd be working on these people in
Speaker 8: the street for two three hours to try to revive
Speaker 8: them when they When you.
Speaker 5: Guys first went online, did you have the got brave thought?
Speaker 5: The helmets, the smoke helmets, smoke helmets, helmet they still
Speaker 5: use it those with rescue two first one online.
Speaker 7: Rescue.
Speaker 5: Yes, there, they were still using the smoke helmets, I believe,
Speaker 5: So that was a i know, rescue one that was
Speaker 5: a large majority of the calls ammonia leagues in the beginning.
Speaker 7: Ammonia exactly, and that was the whole process of you know,
Speaker 7: not only emonia leaks was prior primary for the smoke helmets,
Speaker 7: but also to find space and below ground fires. But
Speaker 7: the main focus was.
Speaker 5: Ammonia because you get them out. They would always send
Speaker 5: the rescues.
Speaker 7: In with the smoke helmets exactly exactly. And rescue too
Speaker 7: also had an incident with mustard gas that they used
Speaker 7: a smoke helmet. Yeah, somebody set over an explosive in
Speaker 7: a theater in Brooklyn and it contained mustard gas and
Speaker 7: people were overcome from that.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 7: So the smoke helmet was, you know, the primary tool
Speaker 7: they had at that time.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And you looked, you know, either buck, so you look
Speaker 8: at your the officer's lapel pins. That's what's on that
Speaker 8: is the smoke helmet and the what do you call
Speaker 8: it rifle the rope gun.
Speaker 5: Lyle gun.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So that's you know, two significant things that they
Speaker 8: relied on back then.
Speaker 7: Right, Well, the other tool is a torch. You're actually
Speaker 7: settling torch to cut the bars well on the factories
Speaker 7: as well as well as the shutters on the buildings.
Speaker 6: Another chief that was there too.
Speaker 10: The department came out of rescue two.
Speaker 6: Incredible, We had three, right, we had chiefs.
Speaker 8: We had three chiefs of the department.
Speaker 7: To come out of res Tommy Richardson two of them.
Speaker 10: Yeah, right, Tommy richards Pete Hagen and John o'hagen.
Speaker 5: John o'hagen, John o'hagen.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: He's a love hate guy. Some guys love him. I
Speaker 5: think he did a lot of good for the I
Speaker 5: mean he brought the towel ladders, right, he brought a
Speaker 5: lot of stuff.
Speaker 12: Into Andy talking his tower ladders, satellite super bumper.
Speaker 10: He got stuck. I knew him personally.
Speaker 12: He got stuck in a bad place between the politicians
Speaker 12: and the money being counters and.
Speaker 5: The Rand company, the Rand Corporation.
Speaker 12: Ye screwed him and he's just he was. He was
Speaker 12: a stark guy. And you know at the end he
Speaker 12: do so well, treated us so well.
Speaker 5: Man. He gave his call blunt that to go down
Speaker 5: to the Academy to film there. He's great. We had
Speaker 5: him on the show a couple of times.
Speaker 8: Right, the Rand Corporation, right was the wiz kids.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's close firehouses or because let's firehouse.
Speaker 1: I want to win your WESTCA truck Meisenheimer from to
Speaker 1: make those prank phone call at least from what I
Speaker 1: heard back in the day before nine eleven.
Speaker 8: But it was funny back then, you know. And then
Speaker 8: someone wrote a book about it. I read it in
Speaker 8: college about the Ring Corporation, yep. And there was the
Speaker 8: whiz kids that were all from M I. T. And
Speaker 8: if you look today, I don't know if they're still there,
Speaker 8: but I knew as like three or four years ago. Yes,
Speaker 8: it was still in city Hall. The whiz kids really
Speaker 8: the rain corporations. They came up with the red line,
Speaker 8: you know, around the ghetto areas that were right right,
Speaker 8: all the closed the firehouses in the poor neighborhoods, but
Speaker 8: keep the you know, firehouses open in the rich neighborhood.
Speaker 5: It was cheaper. It was cheaper to burn them down
Speaker 5: that to buy them out. Let them burn them out,
Speaker 5: and will we gentrify like like they did the Lincoln
Speaker 5: Center And then all that burned and they built up
Speaker 5: Lincoln Center. That was all housing crazy, right, it's petetin. Yeah, that's.
Speaker 7: When when he was in.
Speaker 8: Yeah, coops.
Speaker 7: When you're talking about the equipment, when Rescue first came
Speaker 7: online in the nineteen twenty five you know, you talk
Speaker 7: about New York City, you know, with the progression of equipment.
Speaker 7: You know, when I got to Rescue two in nineteen
Speaker 7: eighty five, we were still using the same techniques for
Speaker 7: ammonia gas. It was like a punk lighted. It was
Speaker 7: this flame to go out, no smoke, but when you
Speaker 7: walked into ammonia situation, it would start smoking again. That's
Speaker 7: when you knew really.
Speaker 10: Nineteen eighty five we were using the.
Speaker 7: Same equipment they were using in nineteen twenty five.
Speaker 6: I'm going to put all my chips on that.
Speaker 7: In the subsellar, yeah, in the subsellar, we had another
Speaker 7: situation where we had defined space hopes. It was a
Speaker 7: high pressure.
Speaker 8: Hose hooked up to a three hundred cubic foot air cylinder,
Speaker 8: looked up to a manifold, and then we had a
Speaker 8: fifty foot or one hundred foot of air.
Speaker 7: Holes that we've hooked up to a backplate. Use a
Speaker 7: regular regulator on it and going to confined spaces. That
Speaker 7: was there when I got to rescue too.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 7: It was also used in nineteen sixty three. Lieutenant Hamilton
Speaker 7: used it to rescue somebody out of a submerged car
Speaker 7: off Shaw Parkway and Brooklyn. It was the same exact
Speaker 7: hose that they used in nineteen sixty three where he
Speaker 7: hooked it up, went into the water with the mazed mask.
Speaker 5: He move into the water to rescue that it.
Speaker 7: Took somebody out of the car. Yep, this is the
Speaker 7: same equipment we were using in nineteen eighty five when
Speaker 7: I got there for confined space as well. Probably the
Speaker 7: same hose.
Speaker 5: That's what I was using the manholes in. I think
Speaker 5: at the kind of in eighty seven, that's who we're
Speaker 5: using right well, when we rescued once started, I'm sure
Speaker 5: rescue too. A lot of it was all hand tools. Saws,
Speaker 5: pride bars, snips, all that stuff was all hand tools
Speaker 5: that they had. Absolutely that was above what the regular
Speaker 5: companies were carrying.
Speaker 7: You know, correct, You know the big tool at that
Speaker 7: time was the settling torch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, can tackle all that stuff.
Speaker 7: The grip oist was when the tools started.
Speaker 5: Yeah, even regular jacks they had that other companies didn't have.
Speaker 5: But mostly, like you said, the settleinge torch was big,
Speaker 5: even rescue one. I have an early when they first
Speaker 5: went online, a video of them using Oxlene style to
Speaker 5: oxy settling torch to get somebody out of window. Boss.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: It was an early tool that they had.
Speaker 8: To get to the company when it was first organized.
Speaker 8: You had to know how to use the torch.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: That's one of my best, my favorite pictures right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this thing is classic, man.
Speaker 8: And then their first drill was with the with the torch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they did it drill for a newspaper I believe,
Speaker 5: with the torch before they were actually calling a rescue
Speaker 5: squad back then.
Speaker 7: That's Hobby Richardson coming out of the building.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, that's a great picture man.
Speaker 10: So you know the story behind his picture. Hommy's coming
Speaker 10: out of the building after he made the roof rescue.
Speaker 10: That's the fire where he made the roof rescue.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was definitely a my favorite one.
Speaker 5: I think Lieutenant Pennet, let me ask, I'm gonna ask
Speaker 5: Jimmy the same thing. What firefighter did you work with
Speaker 5: that most impressed you? Like, Holy shit, man, this guy
Speaker 5: is real deal.
Speaker 7: Pe Bondy, pe Bondy.
Speaker 8: What about you, Jimmy boy, that's that's tough.
Speaker 5: I know, you got a big list to choose from,
Speaker 5: and it's.
Speaker 7: Like having a fifty two card deck of you know
Speaker 7: cards and bab bruth.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's you know, when I first got there,
Speaker 8: Jimmy Higgins Man taught me a lot. Richie taught me
Speaker 8: a lot. The guy was Davy Van Boss and Mike
Speaker 8: you could right. He was so quiet, but the man
Speaker 8: was just always on it, on his game. Taught me
Speaker 8: a lot.
Speaker 6: I tell the story all the time. I was in
Speaker 6: one seventeen a week and rescue for was. This is
Speaker 6: when they moved over to two sixty two's quarters because
Speaker 6: they were working on their quarters and all of a
Speaker 6: sudden it seemed like there was a fire around the
Speaker 6: firehouse over there all the time. Like so they basically
Speaker 6: took our first two boxes right, and we end up
Speaker 6: going to a job and the fires out the front
Speaker 6: door and we pull up the first doo to sixty two.
Speaker 6: I think I think I was just tell him Polly
Speaker 6: read this story. And you know they used to have
Speaker 6: like the old like the little gate there where they
Speaker 6: had the garbage cans, right, and I saw Glenn Harris, right,
Speaker 6: I'm standing on the stoop like trying to hit it
Speaker 6: with the can or do something stupid, because I was
Speaker 6: a kid that was maybe a year or two on
Speaker 6: the job. And I saw Glenn take the glen. He
Speaker 6: jumped up on the garbage can and took the glass
Speaker 6: and dove in there. And I remember as a kid
Speaker 6: looking in there, and the couch was on fire, the
Speaker 6: walls were on fire, the table was on fire, the
Speaker 6: curtains were on fire. And I saw that guy basically
Speaker 6: through the smoke that was pouring out of the out
Speaker 6: of the window, I could see him moved through, moved
Speaker 6: through the room, and by the time the engine came
Speaker 6: and knocked down the fire and we moved in. You know,
Speaker 6: we followed the line, and that guy was coming out
Speaker 6: like he had already searched what what we were going
Speaker 6: to search? You know what I'm saying. And I said
Speaker 6: to myself, like, holy shit, man, like that guy was
Speaker 6: that was legit right there. You know what I mean.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about on fire. I'm not talking about like
Speaker 6: little like it was on fire. Like I actually put
Speaker 6: the the can in the window to try and knock
Speaker 6: some fire down for him. Because I was I didn't
Speaker 6: know what the hell was going on. You know, I
Speaker 6: was a kid. But I think that guy. I've seen
Speaker 6: that guy at jobs. He wallet, he calls me, He
Speaker 6: calls me every once in a while.
Speaker 8: He still remember we caught a fire on the borderline.
Speaker 6: That guy was the real deal too. I didn't mean
Speaker 6: he'll get you in the spot quick too, right. Those
Speaker 6: guys are getting you in trouble.
Speaker 5: But get you.
Speaker 8: I remember we caught a job on the on the
Speaker 8: border of Brooklyn, Queens and we came out and some
Speaker 8: guy was standing next to me and goes, hey, check
Speaker 8: that cowboy out.
Speaker 7: I go what she had? Checked that cowboy out over
Speaker 7: there with his helmet.
Speaker 6: He always had his helmet crooked, right all the time.
Speaker 8: That guy over there, that cowboy had that cowboy. We
Speaker 8: tell you something, if you think you were gonna die,
Speaker 8: you better make sure that guy is working.
Speaker 6: His helmet was.
Speaker 10: Always crooked, was Glenn Harris.
Speaker 6: No doubt that guy.
Speaker 8: You better pray if you thought you were in trouble,
Speaker 8: he was gonna work that day because he's coming after
Speaker 8: that man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I should say him one and Quickie too, probably
Speaker 6: you know. But now now I'm doing the show, Bondi's name,
Speaker 6: Peter Bondi comes up. It's like every week, it's weekly,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 8: Unfortunately I didn't have the privilege to work with him.
Speaker 8: But man, that's way you ever heard, you know, he
Speaker 8: e Van Vorce stories all the time? Man, they were
Speaker 8: they were the real deal. I mean all the guys.
Speaker 8: I mean, I was blessed. Like I said earlier, I
Speaker 8: mean I worked with three different captains. I don't know
Speaker 8: how many lieutenants, maybe twenty lieutenants. I worked with almost
Speaker 8: sixty five guys in my career there, and you know what,
Speaker 8: they're almost shining stars. Man, Yeah, you know, I mean unfortunately,
Speaker 8: you know when Pete Lund got burnt that time for
Speaker 8: saying that on that TV show, I worked with the
Speaker 8: best twenty five guys. You do that, you do work
Speaker 8: with the best twenty five guys. And I was blessed.
Speaker 8: I worked with the best guys. You know, I worked
Speaker 8: with best guys in other companies too, but they were
Speaker 8: the best.
Speaker 7: Look what the what's unique about the guys at the Rescue,
Speaker 7: especially when I got there, and the majority of seenior
Speaker 7: guys that actually a lot of them you have to
Speaker 7: have worked under Chief Gallagher Captain Gallagher at the time,
Speaker 7: and the other half we brought over by Downey. You know,
Speaker 7: we talk about the quiet professionals. You know, it wasn't
Speaker 7: a lot of gregging going on. And I did this,
Speaker 7: I did that. We come back from the job and
Speaker 7: just talk about positions, We talked about tools, we talk
Speaker 7: about what we can do better the next time. And
Speaker 7: you know, I had the great opportunity to work between Downey,
Speaker 7: Captain Downey and John Vigiana. So I had the best
Speaker 7: of both worlds.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 7: And you know I had Jack Cleaehouse on one side,
Speaker 7: Peep on the O the other side, and the two
Speaker 7: quiet professionals. They were you know, their actions spoke valumes
Speaker 7: and you know you learn more from just watching them
Speaker 7: than actually you know, talking to them. So it was,
Speaker 7: you know, a unique situation and unique place to work,
Speaker 7: especially back then with you know, these guys with so
Speaker 7: much experience they had from the seventies going into the
Speaker 7: eighties that there wasn't a fire that they didn't feel
Speaker 7: comfortable at. It was like a walk in the park
Speaker 7: for them.
Speaker 5: You never really hear rescue two guys being like like
Speaker 5: you say, matter of fact, do their job hard charges.
Speaker 5: You never hear guys like we've had guys on the
Speaker 5: show say I don't think it'll be good guys. Those
Speaker 5: are the best guys that the modest guys like. We
Speaker 5: never heard of rescue two guys breaking them. I mean
Speaker 5: they break out balls when we became a squad. Sure,
Speaker 5: but yeah, Bobby's little yellow friends.
Speaker 8: I worry about that. What's that I gotta start off
Speaker 8: to run at night.
Speaker 12: So on nine to eleven, of course, the company went,
Speaker 12: you know, responded, and all the guys came into quarters,
Speaker 12: start showing up in quarters, and.
Speaker 10: Uh Captain Uvlo was there, and uh uh.
Speaker 12: Bob Gallion showed up, and a Tommy Donelly showed up
Speaker 12: and showing up and they don't have a rig because
Speaker 12: the rigs at the at the at the World Trade Center.
Speaker 12: So the Tommy Donald and Dan Murphy go down to
Speaker 12: the end of Bergen Street and they fled down a
Speaker 12: city bus and they tell this bus drive of her,
Speaker 12: get everybody off the bus. You're taking us down to
Speaker 12: Lower Manhattan. You know, there's been a horrible fire accident, tragedy.
Speaker 12: So she says her name is Barbara Bird. She sits there,
Speaker 12: waits for them. They load up all the equipment they
Speaker 12: had taken, every piece of equipment that was in the basement.
Speaker 12: They put it on the bus and she drives them
Speaker 12: to within Wat Jimmy two blocks three blocks.
Speaker 8: Down by city Hall.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 12: She gets them all the way to city Hall. They
Speaker 12: get off, get off the bus. They said that she
Speaker 12: was for a while. One of the guys was, I
Speaker 12: don't know who was Tom or Dan was gonna drive
Speaker 12: and they couldn't. They couldn't even they didn't know how
Speaker 12: to operate the controls of the bus. So they just
Speaker 12: said you drive, And she said you could have could
Speaker 12: have driven the rig to get them all the way stolen.
Speaker 10: It gets better.
Speaker 12: It gives them all the way to city Hall. They
Speaker 12: get off the rig. They stayed there till nighttime. She
Speaker 12: waits for them all day and all night.
Speaker 10: Finding around eight thirty nine o'clock at night, she takes
Speaker 10: her all dead.
Speaker 12: She said, she said, I ain't coming home. She goes
Speaker 12: back to the bus garage in East New York Parks.
Speaker 12: The bus never tolds us. Tells a soul what she did,
Speaker 12: and I don't know what was it. Five years later,
Speaker 12: six years later, the guys in the company were at
Speaker 12: the bus garage and they were at shift change and.
Speaker 10: Somebody said, that's her. No way they grabbed her. She
Speaker 10: had her boss one second of that story. She just
Speaker 10: like that was like her little thing.
Speaker 12: And they they they went to the supervisors at the
Speaker 12: NTA and they said, we're doing something for her, and
Speaker 12: they got there a plaque on the on the bus
Speaker 12: on the bus garage there in East New York, dedicated
Speaker 12: to her. But when you said about the guys in
Speaker 12: restage too, and they were like, that's just that's what
Speaker 12: we do that, that's what we do, that's how we
Speaker 12: do it, and that's the way they are and and
Speaker 12: that's you know, they said.
Speaker 10: That this lady she could have driven the rig she
Speaker 10: was and it was just, you know, it was just.
Speaker 12: A little glimmer of humanity in the worst tragedy imaginable.
Speaker 8: And in that edit never once said anything about it
Speaker 8: till we went there that afternoon, and you know, we
Speaker 8: saw her and spoke to her, and the supervisors had
Speaker 8: no idea. She never told her because she thought she
Speaker 8: would get in trouble and not returning the bus on tar. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean, we talked about Captain Rubault. Can you imagine
Speaker 8: being a commander. We lose you know, six guys in
Speaker 8: your company and then guys get promoted and we lost
Speaker 8: half the company. And what a great job he did
Speaker 8: in so far as rebuilding a company to where it was.
Speaker 5: You got to get them all trained up, right, I
Speaker 5: mean your own rescues, you go scuba at the high angle,
Speaker 5: you get everything. You got to get them all trained up.
Speaker 8: Can you imagine what you know, the amount of stress
Speaker 8: that he went through just to do that, to get
Speaker 8: the company back up and running again the full right.
Speaker 8: Then it took us, you know, as a company, but
Speaker 8: to at least two years to get to where we
Speaker 8: were full strength again. But you have to hand it
Speaker 8: to him, you know, he went out and got the
Speaker 8: guys and made the company strong once again.
Speaker 5: Not only doing that, but now you got to go
Speaker 5: to funerals. You gotta, you gotta, you know hardest. You
Speaker 5: got to take care of the families. You got to
Speaker 5: rebuild the company. It was a tough time, man.
Speaker 7: You guys all know what.
Speaker 6: We went to find the guys. Yeah, you went to
Speaker 6: the few went to the memorials first. Then they found
Speaker 6: the guys and then you had to go to the funeral.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, I remember they were thinking about merging the
Speaker 5: squads into the rescues, right, I mean, at one point
Speaker 5: in the beginning we get get rid of the squads
Speaker 5: and just merging whatever guys were left into the rescues.
Speaker 8: It was the hardest time. Is probably an odd well,
Speaker 8: you know, being on the dog that we all went together.
Speaker 5: And when you were working, you spent some time taking
Speaker 5: ships going down to the pile, right time, going down
Speaker 5: to the pile.
Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
Speaker 10: That was sometimes when you look in the book. One day,
Speaker 10: Jimmy and I are at it was a sun I'll
Speaker 10: never forget.
Speaker 12: It was a Sunday morning in October and uh, we're
Speaker 12: we're at a session. We're at the Captain's desk upstairs,
Speaker 12: and I don't.
Speaker 10: Remember who it was.
Speaker 12: When somebody went into the UH the store room up
Speaker 12: in the second floor at the quarters, and they walked
Speaker 12: into the UH to the desk and.
Speaker 10: They laid out in front of me the company blog
Speaker 10: books from nine to eleven and opened up the page
Speaker 10: and that's in the book.
Speaker 12: I put I put those in the book, and it's
Speaker 12: just you know, you're reading this history, you're reading the
Speaker 12: guys who.
Speaker 10: Reported for duty and the night tour on September tenth.
Speaker 5: It was cool I saw that in the book and.
Speaker 12: Then on September eleventh, Captain Rublo's description and I think
Speaker 12: he ended.
Speaker 10: It with, you know, we know we're going to do
Speaker 10: everything we can to recover our fallen brothers.
Speaker 12: It just you know, that's that's that's history, that that
Speaker 12: you know we're never we're never gonna hopefully ever see again.
Speaker 10: And to just have hold the log book in your
Speaker 10: hand on.
Speaker 6: The office record that's the Office record journal too, they
Speaker 6: have that, Like I remember looking at on Garo did
Speaker 6: that for us for two eighty eight. I remember, you know,
Speaker 6: years later when I came back to his lieutenant looking
Speaker 6: at all the stuff that he did, Like again, you know,
Speaker 6: we were just going down to the pile As farm
Speaker 6: and we didn't know what the hell was going on really,
Speaker 6: but those guys were trying to keep the place to
Speaker 6: float and all the things that he did. Now he
Speaker 6: just passed too, from from cancer from nine to eleven,
Speaker 6: but you know all the things his his handwriting is
Speaker 6: everywhere in there too. Cat Evans, all those guys like
Speaker 6: you were saying like every you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I forgot to add to all of that stuff.
Speaker 5: Anthrax runs were going on the white What else could
Speaker 5: you possibly add to that mix of craziness?
Speaker 6: Right, alcohol, That's what you could add to it, A
Speaker 6: lot of alcohol. Holy shit.
Speaker 8: Some stats I had written down in two We had
Speaker 8: ninety six winners. Four members won the James Gordon Bennett
Speaker 8: which is now the Chief Peter Gancy Medal, right, one
Speaker 8: hundred and thirty eight members, one meritorious class ats either one,
Speaker 8: two or three. We had sixty four company unit citations.
Speaker 8: We had fourteen company commanders. We had the first person
Speaker 8: in the FDNY ever to win two medals in one year,
Speaker 8: and that was rich Dunovan back in nineteen thirty four
Speaker 8: at two separate fires. So I mean the history is yeah,
Speaker 8: and then you know, now you're like, oh, I got
Speaker 8: to read into how this guy want.
Speaker 5: To metal on it. That's exactly what I did.
Speaker 8: Like and from one story that I mean, when I
Speaker 8: was finishing, was up to five hundred pages. So there's
Speaker 8: no way you could print five hundred pages. You need,
Speaker 8: you know, somebody that carried a for you. So we
Speaker 8: got it down to two fifty or two in a quarter.
Speaker 8: But the one story that you know was left out.
Speaker 8: But the story, the newspaper article was in. It was
Speaker 8: the first Gordon Bennett winner that was in it. Bosure
Speaker 8: and that guy if you read his story, they just
Speaker 8: happen to be out. They catch a fire on the
Speaker 8: fourteenth floor, the elevators occupied. They run fourteen floors. They
Speaker 8: get there, they go to the stairwell. They grab the
Speaker 8: stanmdpipe hose out the standpipe, run into the apartment above
Speaker 8: the fire. The guy ties the whole hose around himself.
Speaker 8: This guy Jimbo's bowler, goes out the window on his hose,
Speaker 8: grabs two people and cancel them off to Dick Hamilton inside.
Speaker 8: But here's the here's the thing about it. He gets
Speaker 8: to go on Bennett. Dick Camilton gets a medal. I
Speaker 8: forget who is in the room with Dick Camilton.
Speaker 10: He gets a medal.
Speaker 8: The poor guy who is the anchorman zero.
Speaker 6: The dope on the rope every time, right, I mean,
Speaker 6: I mean you read these stories.
Speaker 5: Like there were so many guys like that Jimmy that
Speaker 5: people have never heard that this is what we do
Speaker 5: in Hashe.
Speaker 6: We call it all. He does a great job. Dude
Speaker 6: from the eighteen.
Speaker 5: Ever heard of who have done things like that hang
Speaker 5: out a window, or guy's holding on to his shoe
Speaker 5: and he grabbed somebody.
Speaker 6: Else, or off a scaling ladder, like putting a ladder
Speaker 6: on top of a scaling ladder.
Speaker 5: Like Also you never heard this guy's name in your life,
Speaker 5: I mean, like this guy was I mean.
Speaker 8: And then now let's get you addicted to do this.
Speaker 7: The next story. And then you read that next door.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be coffee with Sanders next and you show
Speaker 6: with them, you show did God say this? Though?
Speaker 12: And and it's really important is that when when Jimmy
Speaker 12: and I got together, there were so many people that
Speaker 12: had a part of telling the history and were involved
Speaker 12: in the book.
Speaker 10: I know, you guys know Mike Martin Ellie right from
Speaker 10: New Jersey. He's like the new the.
Speaker 12: FDA apparatus guy. So he provided all the rig pictures
Speaker 12: and got that for us. You know, there was just
Speaker 12: just twenty thirty people in the company. The company put
Speaker 12: out a call for photographers and close to twenty or
Speaker 12: thirty photographers put stuff up. So that the amount of
Speaker 12: people who were involved in this project is incredible. They're
Speaker 12: all named in the book. I'm not going to name.
Speaker 10: All of them. But the lesson that I think that
Speaker 10: I hope that.
Speaker 12: That people were watching tonight get is that you don't
Speaker 12: have to do something as fancies what we did, but
Speaker 12: record and put that that history stuff down because if
Speaker 12: you can't, if you don't have it, it's gone.
Speaker 10: And when when Jimmy and I went.
Speaker 12: Into the firehouses and started working on a book round
Speaker 12: the end of the summer last year, they're just boxes
Speaker 12: and boxes of pictures came out and stories and newspaper
Speaker 12: clippings and you know, all this other stuff so that
Speaker 12: you know that you know the whole.
Speaker 10: Story about Takes a village.
Speaker 12: But so many people, you know, helped Jimmy with the
Speaker 12: with the history and help me with the photos, and
Speaker 12: and you know, we have a question and somebody would
Speaker 12: answer it, so it you know, it really is a
Speaker 12: group effort.
Speaker 10: And I just wish more companies, you know, you know,
Speaker 10: like I said, you don't have to.
Speaker 12: Go to I have a two hundred and thirty page
Speaker 12: hardcover book, but you can put something together for your
Speaker 12: for your company. And I think everybody, I don't Mike
Speaker 12: It and jim are proud of what we did. It
Speaker 12: was just a lot of it was a lot of work,
Speaker 12: and when you held the thing in your hand, You're like,
Speaker 12: this was worth it. You know, this is this is
Speaker 12: the history of rescue too. And I think that they're
Speaker 12: probably going to take a hundred books and just put
Speaker 12: them off in the side in the back room downstairs,
Speaker 12: and everybody who comes in the company needs to get
Speaker 12: that and say, this is the company that you're going
Speaker 12: to be.
Speaker 5: You're gonna be. I think Louis said you would like
Speaker 5: to actually hold one in his hand, didn't.
Speaker 6: Where do you buy these books?
Speaker 10: What funny you could ask? It's a w w W
Speaker 10: dot rescuet book dot com.
Speaker 1: We put that in the chat for put that in
Speaker 1: the chat for you guys.
Speaker 12: And if any anybody that's watching is going to be
Speaker 12: at Allentown on Sunday, I'm gonna be there with the books.
Speaker 10: I have a stand there where we have these books.
Speaker 10: And also, uh, they save New York book we're almost
Speaker 10: that we're almost out of they save New York, but
Speaker 10: one hundred of these.
Speaker 12: And so I'll be there on Sunday morning in Allentown
Speaker 12: at the well they call it down a spring melt.
Speaker 10: And then and I know the company is going to
Speaker 10: have at the Harrisburg. So it's yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: But are you're going to have them at the FT
Speaker 1: I c I'm okay, I have a couple out there
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 5: Couple.
Speaker 10: I know a guy who can hook you up.
Speaker 1: You do, yeah, because I know I got a guy.
Speaker 5: Through the appreciation before you signed on. It might be
Speaker 5: a little controversial. I might hurt a few feelings here.
Speaker 5: I don't really care. I said that in my opinion,
Speaker 5: I believe that Rescue two is the busiest company, fire
Speaker 5: duty wise, in the history of the fire service. And
Speaker 5: I gave this example because we all know that the
Speaker 5: neighborhoods go through transitions, right, and different companies are really busy.
Speaker 5: One eleven is busy at a certain time. Now you
Speaker 5: go down to one eleven and there's white chicks with
Speaker 5: a baby carriage walking down the street. But Rescue two
Speaker 5: doesn't need to follow that work around because they go
Speaker 5: into all those companies. So the busiest companies the first
Speaker 5: two companies in the world. Rescue two has been going
Speaker 5: to since nineteen twenty five. Right, would you agree that?
Speaker 5: Would you say that Rescue two is the busiest company
Speaker 5: in the history of the fire service?
Speaker 8: I would say, right, Mike, I would say if you
Speaker 8: looked at the amount of firework. I'm not talking about
Speaker 8: the amount of runs, but if you look at the
Speaker 8: amount of firework that we we saw duty and operate
Speaker 8: at as well, you know, fire duty. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 8: think that many people can come close to what the
Speaker 8: company did, and we're not and I'm not, and Mike
Speaker 8: will tell you do to pat ourselves on the pack.
Speaker 7: That's just company history.
Speaker 8: And that's why we wrote the book, to let people
Speaker 8: know what the company was all about.
Speaker 1: Right, the company has one hell of a reputation, that's
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 8: I mean, you could look at the amount of runs
Speaker 8: that we did, even I think the first one we
Speaker 8: could find was nineteen thirty nine when they used to
Speaker 8: put out the runs and workers and things of that,
Speaker 8: and from thirty nine to recently, the numbers really don't change.
Speaker 5: No, I have the more not I have moll sitting
Speaker 5: right over there.
Speaker 8: Our runs never change. They didn't fluctuate by thousands, maybe
Speaker 8: by a few hundreds of.
Speaker 5: That you've seen. You've seen busy truck companies go from
Speaker 5: ten thousand runs and well, they didn't do OSW back
Speaker 5: in the day. It was workers OSW came about what
Speaker 5: in the late eighties, early nineties, something like that, ninety yeah, nineties,
Speaker 5: but then substantially lower, like you see busy, busy companies go,
Speaker 5: I mean six seven thousand runs are busy today. Back
Speaker 5: then in seventy seven, seventy six, seventy seven, it was
Speaker 5: ten thousands.
Speaker 6: It's not listen on the bottom line is you can't
Speaker 6: keep listen to when one O two was busy. Uh huh, Right,
Speaker 6: Rescue two had their first aware. Let's say Rescue two
Speaker 6: had their area and one O two's area, so they
Speaker 6: got w amount of fires, right, right, it's right. So
Speaker 6: but then they also have one eleven's first to area,
Speaker 6: then they have one O threes first to area, then
Speaker 6: they have one So there's no you can't there's no explaining, right,
Speaker 6: there's no you don't have to explain anything. Every company, if.
Speaker 5: There's a job, we'll say, oh, guy might not get there.
Speaker 6: They might not get there, they might not do work
Speaker 6: work to be done. They're going to do something.
Speaker 5: Like one fifty seven is doing all the work. Now, well,
Speaker 5: guess what rescue teams going there back in the day
Speaker 5: when one of the three was doing all the work.
Speaker 5: Matter what did you say before about Brooklyn being the
Speaker 5: fifth What was that.
Speaker 6: The fifth busiest?
Speaker 7: It's the fifth biggest largest city in America.
Speaker 6: It could be in the world.
Speaker 10: People in Brooklyn.
Speaker 6: It's crazy.
Speaker 7: And one of the things too, if you look at
Speaker 7: the statistics, really don't go by them, because I can
Speaker 7: personally attest to this, that majority of the jobs we
Speaker 7: went to we never put in the book. Right, so
Speaker 7: you look at the numbers, how busy you are, it
Speaker 7: doesn't account for every five we went to so many
Speaker 7: many times. It also would just come out and throw
Speaker 7: half of one pocket in the bag, but one pocket
Speaker 7: in the.
Speaker 6: Book back, come back for like nine. The ain't putting
Speaker 6: this in the brought up something four.
Speaker 8: Like you know, when you're ride in the back, you'd
Speaker 8: always listen to the radio and you guys would come
Speaker 8: into the company and they go, what do you you know,
Speaker 8: what should we be doing? I go listen to the
Speaker 8: radio and they go, why they go, because we're going
Speaker 8: to out of part of Brooklyn. Listen to what they're
Speaker 8: saying on that radio.
Speaker 6: I got a little something.
Speaker 8: That is the thing because if you went out to
Speaker 8: let's say, out to the three three or you know,
Speaker 8: uh what else was out there, the three three or
Speaker 8: four three, and they would tell you, you know, fire
Speaker 8: is doubtful, give me an extra engine and truck they.
Speaker 5: Don't have.
Speaker 8: They're not getting that fire knocked down. So when you
Speaker 8: make the turn on the block, get ready because you're
Speaker 8: going to work.
Speaker 5: Right, you know, how you how'd you guys feel when
Speaker 5: Rescue five took those boxes over?
Speaker 8: For you guys, that was way before me as Mike
Speaker 8: not good.
Speaker 6: Talks about that.
Speaker 5: Not good.
Speaker 10: It was all borrow.
Speaker 7: Right, and it was a little underhanded by those guys
Speaker 7: over the bridge and had they come about what do
Speaker 7: you mean? They wanted to get a little bit more work,
Speaker 7: I believe, and they you know, get into Coney Island
Speaker 7: a little bit into the you know, three three battalion
Speaker 7: and uh they put a you know, pitch in and
Speaker 7: went through the political side of the house and it
Speaker 7: went around a lot of fire department officials type of thing.
Speaker 7: So we weren't really weren't too happy about it. But
Speaker 7: a long run, you know a lot of times we
Speaker 7: went out to that part of Brooklyn. It was a
Speaker 7: long run. And when we worked, we worked, I mean,
Speaker 7: there was one chief in the three three battalion that
Speaker 7: he we give the companies a chance to get in
Speaker 7: there do what they had to do. And I could
Speaker 7: count many many times where they come over to radio
Speaker 7: three three to Brooklyn, make sure rescue is coming in.
Speaker 7: Tell them we have two line stretch that the front stoop,
Speaker 7: we're waiting her arrival. And we were like look at
Speaker 7: each other, like what's going on? And sure enough the
Speaker 7: lines would be waiting at this front step, and uh,
Speaker 7: you know, we would just take them over, right. But
Speaker 7: you know, but a lot of times, I know a
Speaker 7: lot of we had the state in that fire area
Speaker 7: a lot of times and not go into that, uh
Speaker 7: that part of Brooklyn because they're right back. We missed
Speaker 7: a lot.
Speaker 5: I'll say, you probably missed some jobs coming back.
Speaker 7: Then being only yeah, yeah, for one job, you might
Speaker 7: miss two, right, And for us it wasn't worth it.
Speaker 7: So in the long run, it wasn't that bad that
Speaker 7: you know, five took over that area, right, But it
Speaker 7: was just an insult coming into our borrow type of thing.
Speaker 6: And you know, we learned to have a green point.
Speaker 8: With three rescues come in.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, I was just going to say, they rescue
Speaker 6: fall comes at the green point.
Speaker 8: Takes sell the green Point Rescue three, Rescue five comes
Speaker 8: over the bridge and handles all.
Speaker 6: You guys got a lot of work. You gotta spread
Speaker 6: it around me. Come on, you can't.
Speaker 5: Spread around a little gags.
Speaker 6: You could try this question. What's this question from Dave Beata.
Speaker 1: He wants to know if Bill Hewittson, if I say
Speaker 1: it right, has any family on the job. He was
Speaker 1: asking Mike and Jim.
Speaker 7: Dave, I don't believe he has anybody on the fight department.
Speaker 7: Billy did have a brother in UH Highway and YPD
Speaker 7: Highway that we met when Billy was very sick, and
Speaker 7: his father was in the NYPD also, I believe, and
Speaker 7: his father, from what I heard, was the one that
Speaker 7: designed the Emergency Service Unit patch well logo really back when.
Speaker 12: Yeah, as long as though you can bring up that picture.
Speaker 12: It's a black and white picture. Billy's standing on the
Speaker 12: on a turntable. It's a black and white vertical picture.
Speaker 12: Up the whole bunch, I'll show you who Billy is.
Speaker 7: Billy was a phenomenal fine and extremely aggressive. He got
Speaker 7: just pains one time at a fire. We carried him
Speaker 7: out at the fire, you know, getting ready for the ambulance.
Speaker 7: He goes, wait, wait, stop, stop, what do you want?
Speaker 7: He goes, I just want to have one more cigarette before.
Speaker 6: I go to the hospital.
Speaker 7: Billy, you're having a heart attack.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: He was one of those guys who was as soon
Speaker 8: as get.
Speaker 6: Out of the job.
Speaker 5: I love those guys, bro with that face, all black
Speaker 5: with a cigarette, like they didn't get enough.
Speaker 10: That's not it.
Speaker 8: It's a real close up off him coming down the
Speaker 8: area by himself.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's on he's on the on the turntable.
Speaker 5: Hey, Jamie, I'll throw a little question out to you.
Speaker 8: Okay, who who originally trained.
Speaker 5: E s U when they first came online?
Speaker 1: Do you have a title? His name? Billy by chance?
Speaker 8: No, there is is right there just in the middle.
Speaker 10: That's Billy Goodwidson.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know him.
Speaker 6: I don't I don't know that. That face, yeah, that's
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 5: It's got the old mask. Yep.
Speaker 7: Yeah, in nineteen eighty five, we were going back and
Speaker 7: forth between the two point two Scott masks, the old
Speaker 7: ones and the four point fives at the time, so
Speaker 7: half of the guys that were there already always kept
Speaker 7: those masks on and us new guys if Gonzo. Keep
Speaker 7: that picture up for a second, sure, And we go
Speaker 7: back and forth between those two types of masks until
Speaker 7: eventually everybody went to the four point five because it's
Speaker 7: so much lighter, right, But I just want to call
Speaker 7: it this picture here. This is a picture of Lieutenant
Speaker 7: Bill Cole.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: He worked at the fire the LNG explosion in Staten Island,
Speaker 7: I think it was nineteen seventy three. He was in
Speaker 7: this little basket. You see the guy's holding the basket
Speaker 7: on the sides. He had the rope tied to him, right,
Speaker 7: he had a radio. And what they did they lowered
Speaker 7: him into the LNG tank that exploded where forty men died.
Speaker 5: Because they were dead. And then they lowered this guy
Speaker 5: right into the into the right into the middle of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and this in the little tube where a radio
Speaker 7: that didn't know if it was going to work or not.
Speaker 7: And you know, and he said when they got down
Speaker 7: to the bottom, it was like going to hell. All
Speaker 7: was his body, body parts and just fire everywhere. And
Speaker 7: you know, they pulled him out and then they wound
Speaker 7: up waiting for the fire knocked down a little bit
Speaker 7: more to him and someone else went down later on
Speaker 7: to do a search and try to.
Speaker 6: Find help a lot. Look at that helmet on his head.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and Billy was a fine a fireman, a rescue
Speaker 7: toom before he got bolted. He came back as a lieutenant.
Speaker 6: That's incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So the question I threw out the gym he was
Speaker 5: who originally trained e s U when they when they
Speaker 5: first went on.
Speaker 8: So back, what I read was rescue one and Rescue two. Yep,
Speaker 8: took turns training ESU, you know, to make them what
Speaker 8: they are today because of all the running.
Speaker 7: They would go way out. I mean you can remember they.
Speaker 8: Were the only two rescues in four Burroughs at the time,
Speaker 8: so anything that was further out they're required, not fire
Speaker 8: you know, incident, but any type of incident. That's what
Speaker 8: they trained the pled and eventually I think there was
Speaker 8: twenty one s U units back then, So.
Speaker 5: Any time of ESU got used any ship. You say,
Speaker 5: we don't want to train you guys, we started.
Speaker 6: I'll take that face piece off, get out of my
Speaker 6: fire apartment, get your rig off the hydrant, sell them.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we're the ones that trained them back in I
Speaker 8: think it was in the mid thirties, you know, because
Speaker 8: of all and back then, and the reason was because
Speaker 8: of the amount of traffic and congestion getting through the streets.
Speaker 8: They couldn't make it. So they trained the PD to
Speaker 8: handle all the emergencies.
Speaker 5: He Jimmy is on it, he is.
Speaker 6: We got we gotta get the new We got to
Speaker 6: get the new lingo like coffee with sand.
Speaker 7: It's Jimmy show.
Speaker 6: I got to come up with a with a little
Speaker 6: little You need a slogan, you need a good one.
Speaker 8: He's on the shows. But you know, we might have
Speaker 8: forgotten one or two. And you know, we didn't mean
Speaker 8: to do that for getting those people.
Speaker 7: But there was a lot of.
Speaker 8: People involved in so far as behind the scenes making
Speaker 8: this book what it is and what it is today.
Speaker 8: You know, even the guys in the flyoffs and rescue too.
Speaker 8: You know who knows to those guys, they did a lot.
Speaker 8: People don't understand or what they did, but they were
Speaker 8: the guys behind the scene, you know, to make it
Speaker 8: what it was and what it is today. Look, we
Speaker 8: got I haven't been in the new file. Its pretty interesting, man.
Speaker 5: It's like it's like amusement park for firefighters. That's crazy
Speaker 5: Affle day and it's unbelievable when I went.
Speaker 6: Back and it smells like smoke.
Speaker 5: I smoke.
Speaker 8: Firehouse and I'm like, something's different here. And I'm looking
Speaker 8: at the walls and they one wall they bricked from
Speaker 8: one end to the building to the other. So you go,
Speaker 8: that wasn't there like three months ago. They go, not
Speaker 8: we did that?
Speaker 7: They go, man, it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 5: They got so much Memora Bailure in there too.
Speaker 1: For Rescue.
Speaker 8: What they want to do is they they want to
Speaker 8: make the firehouse, the inside of the fires look like
Speaker 8: an old firehouse. The dune brick on the other well,
Speaker 8: to make it look like an old tiny flyouse.
Speaker 5: It before that. How much talent, right, there's somebody came
Speaker 5: up with one on I said, it's a cup of
Speaker 5: Joe with Jimbo. I like you with Jimbo, Baby Joe.
Speaker 7: One of the things I can add with the guys
Speaker 7: in the house, they did an outstanding job putting that
Speaker 7: centennials together, absolutely getting the imitations out and everything else.
Speaker 7: And they did an outstanding job. And one of the
Speaker 7: things with rescue, whether it's nineteen twenty five or twenty
Speaker 7: twenty five, you know, it's the same attitude. It's the
Speaker 7: same bunch of personalities. It's just different names, right. I
Speaker 7: think the tradition is always going to continue there and
Speaker 7: just before it is rescue too.
Speaker 5: That that is a testament to the members.
Speaker 8: Dad man passed very did Mike, You're absolutely correct, dead
Speaker 8: on accurate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know, Louis Les now to get yours.
Speaker 6: What imitation right?
Speaker 5: Exactly?
Speaker 6: I tell you right now. I thought the commissioner was great.
Speaker 6: I thought the commissioner was he.
Speaker 8: Is two allergy. Now you're gonna start.
Speaker 6: The way he's gonna be. He's gonna be texting you.
Speaker 6: I might even text you every day. But Joe with Jim.
Speaker 5: Uh you guys, Uh did you guys talk to the
Speaker 5: commissioner at all?
Speaker 7: I didn't. No, I didn't get a chance to.
Speaker 5: He is a cool guy, man.
Speaker 8: I didn't have a chance to speak to him.
Speaker 7: You know, his speech was very you know, very comfortable.
Speaker 7: You know, he seemed like one of the guys.
Speaker 5: He's a big buff man. He loves the fly service
Speaker 5: a buff.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's an incredible guy.
Speaker 12: He started his his mom was a uh worked for
Speaker 12: Mayor Koch and they lived up on the Upper East
Speaker 12: Side and Uh, one summer his mom goes, you ain't staying.
Speaker 10: Home all summer you're going to work. And I know
Speaker 10: a lot of you guys know him.
Speaker 12: You know, Kenny Fisher was the supervisor dispatcher in the
Speaker 12: in the Manhattan CEO and the commissioner spent the summer
Speaker 12: working in the Madden CEO.
Speaker 10: And uh, that's sweet.
Speaker 5: You might know him and you might be able to
Speaker 5: help me get him on the show.
Speaker 10: Cricket, Cricket, gosh, cricket. Let me find it for you
Speaker 10: because he I mean, he loves the job. He was,
Speaker 10: you know, he was, he's I've gotten that. Had a
Speaker 10: couple of conversations with him, and he's a good guy
Speaker 10: like that.
Speaker 5: I said, hey, Glad, did you get me in contact
Speaker 5: for him? Three hours later, I don't even need the commission.
Speaker 5: I've had Penna and Sanders on the show. Rough can
Speaker 5: we do better than that? We can't?
Speaker 6: No, I need.
Speaker 5: I I know, ye, Jimmy had a good time.
Speaker 6: It's just gonna say that you took the work right
Speaker 6: out of my mouth.
Speaker 7: I had a good time after I did. I had
Speaker 7: a good time with you guys.
Speaker 5: Baby. Danny Murphy will follow.
Speaker 6: I don't know who I've been working on Murph. I've
Speaker 6: been working Murph's a little time. It's gonna be time.
Speaker 8: The Commissioner's day that on March first was the company
Speaker 8: presented the word a company jacket.
Speaker 6: So the commission Oh I had the tough guy jacket.
Speaker 6: I saw that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no more tough. We didn't give him jean jacket.
Speaker 8: Oh no, that's a tough guy jacket.
Speaker 7: Like wear those things did you wear?
Speaker 8: Like onesies?
Speaker 5: I got.
Speaker 6: Let him have it. I love it, I love it.
Speaker 5: I would a smile on my face. We got the
Speaker 5: dread to and the rescue Michel.
Speaker 6: It sounds like a job, like a job. It's just
Speaker 6: coming in there. Three rescue sounds like what's.
Speaker 5: Before he wraps up? I got to get talked tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 5: Where we get the book again?
Speaker 1: Oh, the book, the book.
Speaker 10: Book.
Speaker 1: It looks like this is what it looks like a
Speaker 1: case for you don't know.
Speaker 5: This is what looks like. I'm bringing a couple of
Speaker 5: the they saved New York. If you want me to
Speaker 5: bring a couple of rescue twos, you gotta get up to.
Speaker 1: Me over the I know the address, I know the place.
Speaker 6: I know the place.
Speaker 5: You know the guy.
Speaker 8: The rig They all break back like from nineteen thirty goes, Hey, Jimmy,
Speaker 8: is that you driving the rig?
Speaker 10: Thanks you.
Speaker 5: I love the race. I have all the pictures of
Speaker 5: the race from the exception all the way up some
Speaker 5: briggs that they had in the beginning, Well, unbelievable.
Speaker 8: Hash put in the book, Mike right, that Rescue one
Speaker 8: when they had that one rike, they made it across
Speaker 8: town in like record time. Really right, It's it was
Speaker 8: in Rescue One's book that hash frote that they had.
Speaker 8: I forget how fast he, the person who was the
Speaker 8: show at the time, made it across Manhattan.
Speaker 5: M hmm.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, one of the things I always said with
Speaker 7: the when they responded to that submarine fire in Brooklyn,
Speaker 7: I said, if if hashtaggen or Kevin Croft were driving,
Speaker 7: there wouldn't be no rescue too.
Speaker 6: Definitely cross Man, definitely Crossing.
Speaker 1: Definitely definitely talking about this rig year this one.
Speaker 12: No, it was when the older older let me see,
Speaker 12: I take up like something out of the Little Rascals.
Speaker 1: I have it.
Speaker 5: I don't know where it is. It's best. Yeah, before
Speaker 5: we go, guys, we gotta play for Lancaster.
Speaker 1: Well you speak, I've heard it.
Speaker 5: I have a ready Me and Louis will be We
Speaker 5: will be in Harrisburg the fifty third annual Fire Export,
Speaker 5: hosted by the Lancaster County Fireman's Association. Fire Export will
Speaker 5: showcase more than two hundred and fifty emergency service exhibits
Speaker 5: featuring the world's leading manufacturers of fire, emergency, medical services,
Speaker 5: rescue and public safety equipment to Fire Expo not only
Speaker 5: has displays, exhibits, live demonstrations, but also provides training from
Speaker 5: Cumberland Valley Volunty A, Firefight Associations, Penn State, Hershey Lifeline,
Speaker 5: Critical Care Transport, Middle Creek Search and Rescue PA, Office
Speaker 5: of the State Fire Commissioner. Full training descriptions and details
Speaker 5: are available on our website May sixteenth, May seventeenth, nine
Speaker 5: to five on the sixteenth, nine to four. On the seventeenth,
Speaker 5: come and see me and Louis. Buy some shit, take
Speaker 5: them on the out of pocket, buy a couple T shirts. Now,
Speaker 5: we're gonna send some free sweg over to Jimmy. He's
Speaker 5: gonna really love us and Jimmy, guess what you get
Speaker 5: invited on the boat trip now, and so does uh
Speaker 5: Petter Again. We have a boat trip August second where
Speaker 5: we take out the fireboat the John J. Harvey and
Speaker 5: we go sail around the Statue of Liberty. You get
Speaker 5: to drink your face off, eat some good food, and uh.
Speaker 6: A lot of old there's a lot of old, crusty
Speaker 6: guys telling fire stories.
Speaker 5: Appreciate August second.
Speaker 8: Great time with you guys.
Speaker 5: Put it on Oh you know I already invited you
Speaker 5: August second. Put it on your calendar.
Speaker 10: We'll see you there a Sunday night again or Saturday.
Speaker 5: It's a Saturday Saturday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Unfortunately, I will not.
Speaker 5: Suck in my throat.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: How we got it once? We know we got it.
Speaker 5: Bro Friday had a good time.
Speaker 6: Second manner in the back going. But he'll r bubbling, unbatterman.
Speaker 6: It's bubbling.
Speaker 5: We call him always reliable. Pana. Anything you need, everybody
Speaker 5: go all right, rough any shout outs tonight.
Speaker 6: I don't got nothing. We're gonna be away next week.
Speaker 6: So we got no show next week.
Speaker 5: All right, we're going away, Indy.
Speaker 1: Yes, come out and see us. Ft I s we'll
Speaker 1: see them.
Speaker 6: I might show up three.
Speaker 5: What's that you know?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 6: Booth wearing ten thousand, same booth we're always in ten thousand.
Speaker 10: Come and see us you can have pizza cutters.
Speaker 5: How we have pizza cutters. We're gonna send gimmy a
Speaker 5: pizza cutter.
Speaker 7: Sold.
Speaker 5: Oh it's a partner, sow pizza cutter. You'll love it.
Speaker 5: Hang on now, he's like it takes a kid right now,
Speaker 5: you know the price is right.
Speaker 6: Welcome to my world, Jim, Welcome.
Speaker 1: To my I.
Speaker 5: We'll send something to out a pan. All right, listen,
Speaker 5: we'll see you in more than a week and a
Speaker 5: week and a half from now. Don't cry, you'll miss it.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. Alright, God, guys, I'll see you. Uh,
Speaker 5: we'll see you in Indy. Yeah for sure. All right, rough, guys,
Speaker 5: have a great night. You know what I say. Stay
Speaker 5: low and go.
Speaker 6: We'll see it the big one everybody. Thanks again, guys,
Speaker 6: Thank you very much.
Speaker 9: Al Right, guys, have a good night. Remember leave the
Speaker 9: job better than you find it, my friend, have a
Speaker 9: good night.