Speaker 1: Uh uh uh, Hello everybody, and welcome to Rose Pricks.
Speaker 1: This episode is an emergency. M hm hi Cecily Hi.
Speaker 2: It is an emergency because our man, our man, Gary
Speaker 2: over at the Golden Snatch Batch is a nat. He's
Speaker 2: not behaving well okayere is he?
Speaker 1: Where is this? The world? The Bachelor universe, Golden Bachelor
Speaker 1: Universe has exploded with content all about and and this
Speaker 1: is something that I do when I when I talk,
Speaker 1: I have to preface. But it's all about the demise
Speaker 1: of Teresa and Gary's relationship. Now. One thing that really
Speaker 1: made me upset was let's go all the way back
Speaker 1: in the way back machine to a time when these
Speaker 1: two were just like, yeah, we're splitting up after three months.
Speaker 1: We're not going to mention why. You don't need to
Speaker 1: know that, don't worry about the details, but you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, things change and you know, and we were like,
Speaker 1: what excuse me, what do you mean that?
Speaker 2: Like immediately after we had to watch them on People
Speaker 2: magazine and like have a wedding. I mean, it was
Speaker 2: just insane much put into this, yes, and then there
Speaker 2: was oh so they put so much into it.
Speaker 1: And then remember there was a lot of back and
Speaker 1: forth where other people kind of wade in, and remember
Speaker 1: people were like, well, Gary was really disappointed because she
Speaker 1: didn't want to quit her job. But oh, first it
Speaker 1: was they can't figure out where to live, remember, because
Speaker 1: you know, her grandkids were somewhere and his grandkids were
Speaker 1: somewhere and their kids and oh my gosh, we can't
Speaker 1: figure out. We're just postponing picking a house. And so
Speaker 1: there was all of this back and forth of really
Speaker 1: not crazy reasons why they broke up. Nobody was bad
Speaker 1: mouthing anybody. And then remember there were a few hints
Speaker 1: and then this thing happened when Gary said that he
Speaker 1: had cancer. And then there was a thing that maybe
Speaker 1: Gary implied that Teresa wasn't going to be okay with
Speaker 1: him having cancer. Remember that, And then we had to
Speaker 1: do an emergency Patreon because Teresa was like, oh, hell no,
Speaker 1: I did not say that. That's crazy. Like what I
Speaker 1: said was, of course I'm here to support you, you know.
Speaker 1: And then Gary was like, yeah, but you didn't want
Speaker 1: me to be a burden and Teresa was like, that's
Speaker 1: in your head. All that's ridiculous. Okay. So all that
Speaker 1: is to say that Gary wrote a book which nobody
Speaker 1: asked you. Yes, he did that really fast.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how well. I guess it's
Speaker 2: not that fast. I guess it's been it's been a minute.
Speaker 2: But he got some help. There's no way he just
Speaker 2: wrote that.
Speaker 1: No, but I guess he was working on the book
Speaker 1: Early Days of Teresa. Okay, this is like a little
Speaker 1: little bitty little side note. Okay, you know we love
Speaker 1: a digression. I was listening to a podcast. Do you
Speaker 1: ever listen to But no, you don't. You're not really
Speaker 1: a podcast, really don't. No, I know you don't. But
Speaker 1: there's a podcast called Betrayal. Okay, then tells stories about
Speaker 1: people who were got betrayed. And there's this one that
Speaker 1: I just listened to the other day about this woman
Speaker 1: and her name is and now I got to remember
Speaker 1: her first name. I think it's Nobler. Hannah Guitar. There
Speaker 1: is a Hannah Nobler. Okay, P I T T A
Speaker 1: R D. Okay. So this woman, Hannah was with this
Speaker 1: man with this man's and she her she had like
Speaker 1: a best friend, a really intense best friend, and the
Speaker 1: best friend introduced her to this guy and they end
Speaker 1: up hooking up and then they're together and they spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time as a foursome because her best
Speaker 1: friend also had a husband. Right, so they're all like swingers, no,
Speaker 1: like couples going out together a lot. At one point,
Speaker 1: Hannah's best friend like came and with her husband, came
Speaker 1: and stayed with them for months at a time.
Speaker 2: I never saved. I do not know wh I've not that.
Speaker 2: That's like having a hot nanny. It's the dilmst like
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't care, I don't I just don't
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Agree. So, so it turns out that this husband
Speaker 1: she's a writer and she was working on her novel.
Speaker 1: Then she gets her novel published and he's having some
Speaker 1: sort of jealousy issues with that because he's like ok oh.
Speaker 1: Also also she's getting like magazine articles stuff, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: can you tell him, like I have a good idea
Speaker 1: for an article, you know that kind of thing. She's
Speaker 1: happy to go like, hey, like my husband, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I have a friend who has a
Speaker 1: great story about this. Would you be interested? And she
Speaker 1: gets him like assignments but you know, yeah, so anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm at right, this guy's this guy's great. So time
Speaker 1: goes by that they're married. His jealousy is kind of
Speaker 1: out of control, just being a dick, and they end up.
Speaker 1: Oh and then she finds out that he was cheating
Speaker 1: on her and it's because she cheated with the guy
Speaker 1: with He cheated with the girl with the best friend. Oh,
Speaker 1: so Hannah's husband that's jealous ends up fucking her friend
Speaker 1: that introduced her in the first place, and she finds
Speaker 1: out because that friend's her husband or whatever. Her boyfriend
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're married or not, is the
Speaker 1: one who tells Hannah. So she's of course really upset
Speaker 1: about this. Anyway, this is all to say that Hannah
Speaker 1: ends up writing a book, and this is real. These
Speaker 1: are real people, and you can look this up. She
Speaker 1: wrote a book and I can't remember exactly what it's called,
Speaker 1: but a memoir. She gets a deal to write a
Speaker 1: memoir about the demise of her marriage and about how
Speaker 1: this her husband like cheated on her with her best friend,
Speaker 1: like as her editor tells her, oh my god, heads up,
Speaker 1: go look at this. And it turns out that the
Speaker 1: ex husband has written a quote novel no about his
Speaker 1: side of the story, which is of course totally different
Speaker 1: than hers, but like it's novel, like it's fiction, like
Speaker 1: he's trying to write, except that it's exactly like their story.
Speaker 1: So she finds out that it's like total facts about
Speaker 1: them fights they've had, like and it's really unflattering.
Speaker 2: This is very David Harber versus Lily Allen, which we're
Speaker 2: going to get to on Board again. I'm going to
Speaker 2: make us talk about it one more time on Board,
Speaker 2: just because I finally listened to the album and I
Speaker 2: have I have notes.
Speaker 1: Oh I great. But anyway, so if you look these up,
Speaker 1: it's really funny because so and The New York Times
Speaker 1: did a story about this where it said, like two
Speaker 1: authors both having books about their side of the story.
Speaker 1: They have very different sides of the story. But it's
Speaker 1: really funny because if you look it up, all the
Speaker 1: reviews on his book are so like, fuck you, you're
Speaker 1: an asshole, like you mistreated, like you're you know, this
Speaker 1: is stupid narcissistic attempt to like just have vengeance on
Speaker 1: your ex wife, and like, you know, it's all very
Speaker 1: like who's on whose pick?
Speaker 2: People pick sides, read them back to back and really
Speaker 2: like have try to have like an objective opinion on
Speaker 2: which one's better. I mean these days, you know, like
Speaker 2: who knows who helped you know, if this guy was
Speaker 2: able to even write his own thing, But like it
Speaker 2: would be interesting to me to see who had the who,
Speaker 2: Like it's just better better wordsmith, Yes, and also see
Speaker 2: this sort of back and forth. That's a great that
Speaker 2: should be a Netflix that that whole thing should be
Speaker 2: like a Netflix show. It really relationship and then the
Speaker 2: back to back, like I could see this as like
Speaker 2: an Adam McKay movie.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I love that. We should
Speaker 1: pitch it. We should pitch it. Let's do it. So anyway,
Speaker 1: all that is to say that this is literally what's
Speaker 1: going on with these two, with Teresa and Gary, because
Speaker 1: now that Gary wrote a book, He's saying a lot
Speaker 1: of things that Teresa's like, oh hell to the no,
Speaker 1: that did not happen that way. And I have all
Speaker 1: of it here and I'm gonna I'm going to try
Speaker 1: to kind of go in order. Don't want to Let's
Speaker 1: do it later. Okay, Yeah, let's do that at the end. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: So Gary Turner, this is the first thing I'm gonna
Speaker 1: read you. Gary Turner feels this was why Teresa Nist
Speaker 1: went on Golden Bachelor, and you know this is not
Speaker 1: going to be this is just so funny, like they
Speaker 1: are both just going at each other. Okay, so it
Speaker 1: says the way inaugural this is I should give credit
Speaker 1: where credits do. This is Yahoo dot com. The way
Speaker 1: Gary Turner sees it, his former bride Terreesentness wasn't there
Speaker 1: to make friends or even find a second chance at love. Rather,
Speaker 1: as he detailed in his recently released memoir, The seventy
Speaker 1: two year Old Financial Services Professional, although he's not seventy
Speaker 1: two anymore? Wasn't he seventy two when he went on?
Speaker 1: Yeah so he's seventy four now was singing? He says,
Speaker 1: Oh no, she's seventy two. The seventy two year Old
Speaker 1: Financial Services Professional was singularly focused on accepting his final
Speaker 1: rows after their three month marriage ended, in large part,
Speaker 1: he said, because of her decision to go back on
Speaker 1: her plan to retire. Gary found himself wondering if his
Speaker 1: one time spouse truly had signed on to the franchise's
Speaker 1: sixty and older spinoff for the right reasons quote, why
Speaker 1: did she enter a process that required such a leap
Speaker 1: of faith? If she was going to be inflexible. Later,
Speaker 1: he wrote, reflecting on both Teresa's desire to keep working
Speaker 1: and what he perceived to be her ambivalence towards staying
Speaker 1: with him in Indiana, Oh, don't worry. This is going
Speaker 1: to get so much juicier. I just have to lay
Speaker 1: this out. It's like they're both going to be like what, No,
Speaker 1: that's not quite it, and then they're going to lay
Speaker 1: into each other. Uh. Was it her goal to find
Speaker 1: her forever partner, perhaps to get her fifteen minutes of fame,
Speaker 1: or as some of the other women who were on
Speaker 1: the show told me, was it to capitalize on Then
Speaker 1: this is all in italics, winning the competition for my affection.
Speaker 2: My god, that's so gross, Like, dude, so gross, okay,
Speaker 2: sitting okay, and what fame? She's not a theme seeker
Speaker 2: at all. She's like, oh, opposit it, no, and you're
Speaker 2: so okay, so he says. Because after the seventy four
Speaker 2: year old announced his separation from Teresa, a few of
Speaker 2: her fellow contestants asked if they could steal him for
Speaker 2: a sec quote. Several women shared a seemingly small detail
Speaker 2: that loomed large in my mind. Gary alleged in his
Speaker 2: book quote while at the mansion, Teresa was reading How
Speaker 2: to Win the Bachelor, a book that promises the secret
Speaker 2: to finding love and fame on America's favorite reality show,
Speaker 2: and that it says too basically to Gary quote, there
Speaker 2: was something about the image of Teresa curled up on
Speaker 2: one of the couches planning her strategy to win a
Speaker 2: rose that made me feel sick to my stomach. He's
Speaker 2: so dramatic. I know, I'm reading it, very dramatic. He
Speaker 2: didn't write I'm telling you he didn't write that. That
Speaker 2: guy did not sit down and write those words. This
Speaker 2: is quote, Yeah, it from his book. I'm just saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. It's like, it's like I get
Speaker 2: so mad about that, Like with the Britney Spears stuff
Speaker 2: when people are quoting all of us, She's like she
Speaker 2: never put those words together.
Speaker 1: No, definitely the one thing.
Speaker 2: In like puppy emojis and like there's no way, there's
Speaker 2: just no. And then we talked about this, like the
Speaker 2: editors are probably like Brittany, we love what we've done
Speaker 2: so far. It's just a lot of like dancing girl
Speaker 2: emojis and we need a little like some verbs.
Speaker 1: You can't I just I just hate that. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: Brittany didn't write a word of her book, by the way.
Speaker 1: It was all came from like interviews, clearly and clearly anyway.
Speaker 1: But you know, Okay, So there was something about the
Speaker 1: image of Teresa pulled up on the couches that made
Speaker 1: me feel sick to my stomach. It made me think
Speaker 1: that her goal was never to find the next love
Speaker 1: of her life. It was to win. Really, Teresa insisted
Speaker 1: it was to make the most of a free trial
Speaker 1: to Audible, checking out the Audible, the audio book service
Speaker 1: before filming the show. Quote one of the books on
Speaker 1: there was How to Win the Bachelor. I go whoa,
Speaker 1: somebody wrote a book on how to Win the Bachelor,
Speaker 1: she detailed during a November fourth appearance on the Deer
Speaker 1: Shandy PODCAS cast, which is going to come up later.
Speaker 1: So I started listening to it, but I only got
Speaker 1: through the first chapter before my free trial ran out. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not true. You don't get a free trial for
Speaker 1: a week. I'm sure you get your first month free,
Speaker 1: so don't I don't buy that, Teresa. Okay, So I
Speaker 1: started trusting, but I only got I didn't even think
Speaker 1: about it when I went to the show. Still, Gary
Speaker 1: claimed he wasn't the only one second guessing Teresa's journey.
Speaker 1: He wrote that a few of her fellow contestants quote
Speaker 1: were upset because they felt Teresa had cheated them out
Speaker 1: of a chance to find love too. According to various accounts,
Speaker 1: almost as soon as she set foot in the mansion,
Speaker 1: Teresa was manipulative, describing our connection as so strong that
Speaker 1: our mansionmates might as well give up and go home.
Speaker 1: And the situation only got thornier as she began collecting roses,
Speaker 1: Aged alleged the former lead she falsely said, Gary only
Speaker 1: likes petite brunettes. No, that's Gary saying that. So looking
Speaker 1: back without his rose colored glasses, Gary admitted to E
Speaker 1: News that it was certainly a possibility Teresa was telling
Speaker 1: him what he wanted to hear. I felt like that
Speaker 1: could have been the case many times anyway. So as
Speaker 1: for his short lived romance to Teresa, I guess hindsight,
Speaker 1: being twenty twenty, I wish I would have seen those
Speaker 1: red flags. Those weren't even red flags. Gary shut up,
Speaker 1: he explained, But as much as the romance with his
Speaker 1: final rose recipient wilted, they really tried to make their
Speaker 1: love grow.
Speaker 2: Okay, my God, enough with like the rose. Okay, So
Speaker 2: I don't like when they like get off on a metaphor.
Speaker 1: You know, like I know, it's so stupid.
Speaker 2: It's the thorny, let's water this stop it. It's just
Speaker 2: one rose. Nobody cares. So here's some I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to see what to read first, because so now Teresa okay.
Speaker 2: Teresa Nist is ready to share her side of the
Speaker 2: story on the heels of Gary Turner's Tell All. She says,
Speaker 2: I am normally such a calm person and all I
Speaker 2: want is peace and joy and good things in my life.
Speaker 2: Teresa said, I have been so upset. I have been
Speaker 2: extremely upset. Anytime I talk about anything that I read
Speaker 2: that he said, about any interaction we had, I just go,
Speaker 2: that's not how it was.
Speaker 1: Okay. Then the course they go back to the story.
Speaker 1: While they initially claimed the split was mutual, they began,
Speaker 1: he said. She said in the media that has come
Speaker 1: to a head with Gary's new memoir. Ahead of the
Speaker 1: book's release, Gary exclusively told US Weekly that he thought
Speaker 1: Teresa quote should be worried about the contents and then
Speaker 1: she's saying that felt threatening to me. Why would he
Speaker 1: say something like that, Teresa said In response for him
Speaker 1: to say that, I have to say, was he not there?
Speaker 1: Does he not know the things he did? And that
Speaker 1: I would have so many things to say. In Teresa's perspective,
Speaker 1: there was a distance between her and Gary that began
Speaker 1: on her overnight date. It wasn't until the pair were
Speaker 1: in the fantasy suite and she began talking about her
Speaker 1: job that she felt the dynamic changed completely. Quote, he
Speaker 1: started proclaiming his love for me. He said, I love you,
Speaker 1: I love you, I love you, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you to marry me, and whether or not you
Speaker 1: say yes, that's up to you. I was shocked, Teresa recalled, okay,
Speaker 1: And by the way, this is just me interjecting. We
Speaker 1: freaking called this because we said he was totally into
Speaker 1: Leslie until he found out that she made a fucking
Speaker 1: lot of money. Yeah, we all said that. Remember, we
Speaker 1: were like, it's so weird that turnaround that he did.
Speaker 1: And it was only after she talked about her job.
Speaker 2: I mean, he said to Leslie in her face, you're
Speaker 2: the one. Yes, see, I don't know I don't. I've
Speaker 2: never seen anything. I think that's so much worse than
Speaker 2: I love you because I love you. I say I
Speaker 2: love you to my Maleman.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I say it to him too, And I do
Speaker 2: love my mail man. Yes he's so hot because he's
Speaker 2: he's odd. I'm not gonna lie sometimes I just say
Speaker 2: it because it seems like he needs to hear it.
Speaker 1: But I'm just I love you.
Speaker 2: It's just like I love you, but you're the one
Speaker 2: in a competition. Is just that's fucking such a mind fuck.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm so right for him to like switch
Speaker 2: back and be like oh yeah, She's like yeah, by
Speaker 2: the way, we haven't mentioned this in like the four
Speaker 2: weeks we've been dating and we're about to get married.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm like a stock trader, yes or whatever,
Speaker 2: like what you know.
Speaker 1: What's funny too, is that we're complaining about mel who
Speaker 1: won't say anything. He's like, you know what, Honestly, neither
Speaker 1: of you are the one.
Speaker 2: Like I don't have to say I've got it Dave
Speaker 2: mail credit though when we were talking about it today,
Speaker 2: I was giving him credit or yesterday I was like,
Speaker 2: I actually appreciate that he doesn't lie.
Speaker 1: He refuses to play that game, and I kind of
Speaker 1: one thing right, But it's just so funny how opposite
Speaker 1: they are. I know Gary's telling both of them, I
Speaker 1: love you, You're it, You're it. Okay, so she's saying
Speaker 1: he started proclaiming his love to me, and I shock,
Speaker 1: Teresa recalled, noting that she thought Gary had a stronger
Speaker 1: connection with Leslie. Elsewhere in the podcast, Teresa denied Gary's
Speaker 1: allegations that she was reading a book to strategize. She
Speaker 1: said she listened to the first chapter, so then she
Speaker 1: repeats that part after ending. After ending the show engaged
Speaker 1: to Gary, Teresa claimed that there was one instance that
Speaker 1: alarmed her because of his alleged display of temper that
Speaker 1: she couldn't believe. Teresa explained that she tends to stay
Speaker 1: up to around midnight, whereas Gary prefers an earlier bedtime,
Speaker 1: and things were tense when the pair tried. Once tried
Speaker 1: to go to bed at seven thirty, and I have
Speaker 1: this in another seven thirty. I was up for like
Speaker 1: an hour. What. Yeah, I'm an early I'm an early
Speaker 1: bed person and that's insane. So I really think I
Speaker 1: have I'm going to come back to this because this
Speaker 1: part because there's more details about this. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come back to that, So hold on, I have something else. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is her on his temper. This is off
Speaker 1: of Reddit. He said. I mean, I'm going to give you.
Speaker 1: This is her talking on a podcast. She says, I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you one example. When he called me
Speaker 1: an East Coast snob. He called her an East Coast snob.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into nitty gritty, but I
Speaker 1: will tell you one little thing. I was at his
Speaker 1: house and he offered me a cold cut. Now, if
Speaker 1: anybody knows me, I don't eat cold cuts. I eat
Speaker 1: Mediterranean diet. I eat like such a healthy diet. And
Speaker 1: I just I said it like this. I said, oh no, Gary,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, but I don't eat cold cuts.
Speaker 1: And he goes, uh huh uh huh uh huh huh huh.
Speaker 1: And he said, you just insulted me. And I said,
Speaker 1: oh my god, why did I insult you? And he goes,
Speaker 1: you're an East Coast snob. I said, no, Gary, everybody
Speaker 1: on the East Coast eats cold cuts. I said, I'm
Speaker 1: the only one who doesn't. I said, my husband ate
Speaker 1: cold cuts all day long. Oh there's Oh, it's so
Speaker 1: much worse. This guy is a fucking asshole. And my
Speaker 1: husband ate opposite of me. I used to cook two
Speaker 1: meals like the first twenty years of my life, like,
Speaker 1: and I was a gourmet cook, like everything everything in town. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll get to the cooking. We'll get to the cooking, okay.
Speaker 1: So it was something like that. It was something silly
Speaker 1: like why am I East Coast because I don't like
Speaker 1: cold cuts. They're going back and forth, they're talking, and
Speaker 1: you said there was one instance where you meant well,
Speaker 1: and then he lashed out, Okay, what happened? Sure, sure, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: here's the story that one happened before we got married.
Speaker 1: So I usually go to bed at midnight, eleven thirty midnight.
Speaker 1: I learned Gary goes to bed at like nine or
Speaker 1: nine thirty. So there was a day that he had
Speaker 1: to get up really early, so he was going to
Speaker 1: bed at seven thirty. So I said, I'll keep you company.
Speaker 1: I'll go to bed with you, and we really went
Speaker 1: to bed. I earnestly tried to go to sleep. This
Speaker 1: is so relatable. He goes, I couldn't get to sleep,
Speaker 1: it's seven thirty. It's hard to fall asleep when it's
Speaker 1: too early for you. And I go to bed at midnight,
Speaker 1: so it's like almost five hours before I usually go
Speaker 1: to bed. So I saw he was sleeping. I said, good,
Speaker 1: he's peaceful, he's sleeping. Allget I try to relax and
Speaker 1: get tired. I went on social media. I'm eating my
Speaker 1: protein bar and I was up for like an hour
Speaker 1: and I was just about to go to sleep, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he comes storming out of the bedroom,
Speaker 1: calling me a liar. You're a liar. You lied to me,
Speaker 1: You lied, And she says, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: it in his voice, but it was you lied to me.
Speaker 1: You lied to me. You said you were going to bed,
Speaker 1: but you didn't mean it.
Speaker 2: That's insane if that's true, And I said's true, Gary?
Speaker 1: No, I said no, Gary, I really tried to go
Speaker 1: to sleep. I couldn't. And now I was just about
Speaker 1: to get back in bed. A normal reaction from like
Speaker 1: somebody else would have been, oh you couldn't get to sleep.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, you know I just couldn't get to sleep.
Speaker 1: I didn't lie to him. Yeah, And then the person's
Speaker 1: going so it's really interpreting your actions in the worst,
Speaker 1: most negative way. And can I pause for a second.
Speaker 2: Yeah, talking about it like this is so weird to
Speaker 2: me because like it's such a non First of all,
Speaker 2: I would be.
Speaker 1: Out the door immediately if someone's like.
Speaker 2: You lied and said you were going to be I
Speaker 2: mean that's like a five year old, not just a
Speaker 2: five year old, like a five year old with like
Speaker 2: a behavioral disorder, like a you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like a troubled So that's I mean that is.
Speaker 1: And by the way, this this coincides with some of
Speaker 1: those stories that we read about how he treated the
Speaker 1: one that lived with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, because and I'm always like leery of
Speaker 2: those things because you know, it's one side of a
Speaker 2: story and it's a it's a like an ex who
Speaker 2: might be angry, and I always that's the why I
Speaker 2: always push back. But hearing like this specific crazy shit, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's moreturbing. So there's more. So it says it was
Speaker 2: he said it really violent, like very very in such
Speaker 2: a bad the world or most negative way, and it
Speaker 2: was I was like, well, so we've really touched.
Speaker 1: On this, Okay, East Coast snob thing. He doesn't use
Speaker 1: the word snob in the book, but he routinely uses
Speaker 1: East Coast mentality, so he doesn't like people from like, yeah,
Speaker 1: is she Jewish?
Speaker 2: That feels a little. That feels like a dog whistley
Speaker 2: to me. I know Leslie was, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think Teresa was. But do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean when you that's a very like that's almost
Speaker 2: like a Trumpian like elite thing to say, you know,
Speaker 2: like you're calling someone elite, right, yeah, And that's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so listen to this.
Speaker 1: Okay, So do you want me to tell you a
Speaker 1: similar story to that? Yes, okay, I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 1: I finally went to his house and we took a
Speaker 1: walk around this lake called Pretty Lake, and we were
Speaker 1: coming to the end of it and he says, and
Speaker 1: this is really bizarre. He said, you see that shed
Speaker 1: up there. I said yeah. He said, well, that's where
Speaker 1: I'm going to hide your body after I kill you
Speaker 1: and chop you up. And he was laughing. She said
Speaker 1: he wasn't laughing. I said, well, this is his idea
Speaker 1: of a joke that was pretty dark humor. And then
Speaker 1: somebody goes, they should look in the cabin, She said,
Speaker 1: is there animosity? I just felt like there was animosity
Speaker 1: in that statement that was underlying, like maybe if he
Speaker 1: could have gotten rid of me or something. I don't
Speaker 1: think he would have killed me. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: that's true. But it just spoke to an underlying feeling
Speaker 1: about me because it was already tense. And it really
Speaker 1: does come up a lot as he feels that you
Speaker 1: do not have a shared sense of humor. He thinks,
Speaker 1: he seems to think you have no sense of humor,
Speaker 1: and that Leslie had a great sense of humor. Why
Speaker 1: didn't he choose Leslie? Then? Yeah, she's our girl.
Speaker 2: That's so stupid. Obviously he was kidding. I am going
Speaker 2: to push back. I do not like Gary, but obviously
Speaker 2: he that was a joke. Okay, So here's okay, So
Speaker 2: buckle up. Here's an excerpt from his book, He's an Asshole.
Speaker 2: He says, I must admit I was surprised by the
Speaker 2: size of Teresa's one story house. The tiny two bedroom
Speaker 2: seemed to suit her perfectly, Inauspiciously, there wasn't much room
Speaker 2: for me. I looked around for a place to put.
Speaker 1: My suitcase and couldn't find a convenient, flat surface. He's
Speaker 1: going to be he's so passive aggressive. Certainly not in
Speaker 1: the tiny master bedroom. So this is all word for
Speaker 1: word in the book. This is an excerpt the tiny
Speaker 1: master bedroom, where space was at a premium. I finally
Speaker 1: decided the best solution was to put my belongings in
Speaker 1: her office, which was just a few short steps from
Speaker 1: the bedroom. I instantly felt like a trespasser in her home,
Speaker 1: like I didn't belong. The stark reality this was life
Speaker 1: with my new wife took my breath away because the
Speaker 1: space was so confining. I lived directly out of my
Speaker 1: suitcase for the duration of my stay. The stark reality
Speaker 1: this was life with my new wife. Wait, they repeated
Speaker 1: that surprise her stove turned vanity. Teresa used her flat
Speaker 1: stovetop as her makeup counter. Hell yeah, One she didn't
Speaker 1: cook much, and two the lighting was better because the
Speaker 1: range was next to a window. And three there was
Speaker 1: more space to spread out if I want to cook eggs,
Speaker 1: I asked, where do I go for that? Teresa was
Speaker 1: kind enough to clear the stove while I was there
Speaker 1: and cooked a few meals for us, most of which
Speaker 1: were salmon medium rare and green vegetables. How dare she? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god. Looking back at our engagement feast that night
Speaker 1: in Costa Rica, I realized that the whole dinner had
Speaker 1: been totally out of character for her. We had both
Speaker 1: eaten like somebody was going to take the food away
Speaker 1: from us. I don't know if that was because we'd
Speaker 1: been sequestered with limited food choices or because we were
Speaker 1: feeling the release of the show's end. I know I
Speaker 1: felt like I was just out of jail. Uh so
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. He's talking about how she doesn't like
Speaker 1: to eat enough stuff that he likes to eat. Okay,
Speaker 1: As I was beginning to realize during my stay in
Speaker 1: New Jersey, physical intimacy wasn't going to bond Teresa and
Speaker 1: me either. My first night at her house, she took
Speaker 1: out sheets and pillows before telling me tomorrow is a
Speaker 1: big work day. I need a good night's sleep. Do
Speaker 1: you mind sleeping on the sofa? Okay? And then here's
Speaker 1: her response to this, Oh.
Speaker 2: I mean we knew we sort of could see it
Speaker 2: when you'd get all read sometimes with like what looks
Speaker 2: to be like, oh he's such a feeler comes a temper, Yes,
Speaker 2: controlling ooh, okay.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to this part because she has
Speaker 1: a very different story about it. Okay, forty eight hours
Speaker 1: after Teresa and I said I do, he says, we parted,
Speaker 1: and what had become standard operating procedure for us, we
Speaker 1: made a huge declaration of love and commitment and then
Speaker 1: went our separate ways. I flew home to New Jersey
Speaker 1: while I returned to Indiana. I wouldn't blame anyone who
Speaker 1: accused me of being a phony when I exchanged vows
Speaker 1: with Teresa. But I can say that, despite my fear
Speaker 1: that we weren't ready for marriage, I still committed to
Speaker 1: the sacred Institution with all my heart. Whatever it took
Speaker 1: to make this relationship work and last I was willing
Speaker 1: to do. It wasn't just for her that I vowed
Speaker 1: to Teresa to choose you every day as the one
Speaker 1: I love and never take your heart for granted. So okay,
Speaker 1: so this is what this is what he says. That's
Speaker 1: what I was doing when I drove fourteen hours to
Speaker 1: Shrewsbury on January eleventh. I was married to the lady.
Speaker 1: I thought I should at least see where she lived.
Speaker 1: I feared that if I was not proactive and did
Speaker 1: not make a trip. The top priority inner show had
Speaker 1: set in. So then he goes on about her stove
Speaker 1: and all that stuff that I read you. And then
Speaker 1: as I was beginning, okay, do you mind sleeping on
Speaker 1: the sofa? Yeah, no problem, were the words that came
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. But I was really thinking why
Speaker 1: we're married. I did not want to make waves, especially
Speaker 1: on my first night in her home. Of course, if
Speaker 1: Teresa wanted to take things slowly or was having mixed feelings,
Speaker 1: I would understand. I would never force anyone to do
Speaker 1: anything that they weren't comfortable with. If her question had
Speaker 1: become the start of an authentic and honest conversation about
Speaker 1: deeper issues, I might have even welcomed it. Instead, Theresa
Speaker 1: and I remained silent while she made up the couch
Speaker 1: for me. The non confrontational route turned out to be
Speaker 1: a mistake because the one night on the couch turned
Speaker 1: into two and then three. Once again, this was very
Speaker 1: a very different Terresa from the woman I had encountered
Speaker 1: in Costa Rica at the resort. Her behavior regarding intimacy
Speaker 1: was comfortable even forward. When we returned to the States,
Speaker 1: she ignored opportunities for intimacy. I brushed it aside, figuring
Speaker 1: it was the nerves of keeping our engagement a secret,
Speaker 1: and then the exhaustion of the wedding planning. But what
Speaker 1: was the excuse?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: When I arrived at Shrewsbury, it should have been an
Speaker 1: awesome trip. This was our first time together that we
Speaker 1: didn't have to hide we were married. It should have
Speaker 1: been a freaking honeymoon. I really had a hard time
Speaker 1: making sense of it. I feel I'm a pretty confident guy,
Speaker 1: comfortable in my own skin. I don't get shook giving
Speaker 1: a speech to a crowd or an interview on National
Speaker 1: Tel TV. But the rejection I got from Teresa rattled
Speaker 1: me deeply and stayed with me for a long time.
Speaker 1: A lot of thoughts went through my head. Am I
Speaker 1: not attractive anymore at my age? Have I somehow offended Teresa?
Speaker 1: Hurt her feelings? It made me think Tony was a
Speaker 1: saint for sticking with me for forty three years. And
Speaker 1: then I define intimacy in a number of different ways.
Speaker 1: It's certainly not just sex. Sharing thoughts and feelings candidly
Speaker 1: without fear of judgment. That's intimate. Making your partner feel special.
Speaker 1: That's intimate. Okay. Then he goes on that he says
Speaker 1: it was out of reach. With the signs that Teresa
Speaker 1: cared about me fading, everything started to bother me. Sleeping
Speaker 1: on the sofa had made me bitter. But there were
Speaker 1: other small events that highlighted our differences. One night, while
Speaker 1: driving to dinner, I went five miles over the speed limit,
Speaker 1: and you would have thought I had a gun to
Speaker 1: her head the way she reacted. And if you think
Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating, I'm not. Admittedly I do not drive like
Speaker 1: the typical seventy something person. But there is one thing
Speaker 1: I can say with one hundred percent confidence about myself.
Speaker 1: It's that I don't take foolish risks. Okay, I am
Speaker 1: the guy who got married on national TV to a
Speaker 1: woman he had blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: On another night, when we were of course, I have
Speaker 1: to read you all this, because then I'm going to
Speaker 1: read you her response. When we were, of course, dressing
Speaker 1: to go out for dinner. I was ready to leave
Speaker 1: when Teresa looked at me and pointed up and down
Speaker 1: like a kindergarten teacher. Oh no, you're not wearing that.
Speaker 1: She said, let's go over to the Lululemon and grab
Speaker 1: you something better. Why why would she want him to
Speaker 1: dress in Lululemon. That doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 2: I know I was, and that's the that's like the
Speaker 2: publisher trying to get a plug in for Lululemon.
Speaker 1: Like how do we get Lululemon like tagged? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like that doesn't even make sense. I
Speaker 1: was getting you in some yoga pants.
Speaker 2: I'm going to meet my friends at the very fancy,
Speaker 2: big time New York place. It's getting in like some
Speaker 2: like a little tank top and some yoga pants, like
Speaker 2: a flare at the bottom.
Speaker 1: M Oh, it's gonna look so good on you, he says.
Speaker 1: I was wearing jeans and an expensive RII shirt. Why
Speaker 1: does he have to? My God? But it's again they're
Speaker 1: trying to tag something. Yes, but it was a plaid,
Speaker 1: which maybe she thought looked unsophisticated. I really didn't want
Speaker 1: to get bent out of shape over this, even though
Speaker 1: I wondered why I had driven fourteen hours to sleep
Speaker 1: alone and have my wardrobe criticized. I that literally makes
Speaker 1: no sense.
Speaker 2: Let's get you into some of these targets target shirts, right,
Speaker 2: that makes no I mean, I'm just this is why
Speaker 2: I'm just calling bullshit on it, like he's so cool.
Speaker 1: Well, she has a very different story about this exact situation,
Speaker 1: so he says, and who talks like this? So I
Speaker 1: tried to turn my frown upside down by taking selfies
Speaker 1: of us in the dressing room and later posting on
Speaker 1: Instagram about what a great time we'd had. Truthfully, however,
Speaker 1: I realized I could never embrace the East Coast lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, if he says that one more time,
Speaker 1: I'll fucking kill him. Fuck you dude. Horrible. Okay, so idiot.
Speaker 1: Here's Teresa's take on it. I'm not sure if Gary
Speaker 1: has a faulty memory or if he just wanted a
Speaker 1: more dramatic story for his book. Here's what really happened.
Speaker 1: We slept together the first night in my very small bed.
Speaker 1: After my husband passed away, I moved out of the
Speaker 1: master bedroom into a smaller bedroom with a full sized bed,
Speaker 1: and I turned the master bedroom into an office. That
Speaker 1: first night of Gary's visit, I didn't sleep at all
Speaker 1: because I had been sleeping alone for nine years. Relatable
Speaker 1: thank you and sharing a bed again takes some getting
Speaker 1: used to. In the morning, Gary asked me how I slept.
Speaker 1: I told him I hadn't slept at all, and he
Speaker 1: offered to sleep on the couch going forward. I was
Speaker 1: extremely grateful and said, I promise you when you come back,
Speaker 1: I will have a king sized bed all set up
Speaker 1: in the master bedroom for us. After that visit, Gary
Speaker 1: went back to Indiana, but we put our money together
Speaker 1: and I quickly went to work ordering a king sized
Speaker 1: bed and all the linens for us to use. My
Speaker 1: daughter and I put the entire bed together in a day,
Speaker 1: and I sent Gary photos of our progress. I was
Speaker 1: so happy that we now had a wonderful bed to
Speaker 1: sleep in together. But Gary never returned. And then she says,
Speaker 1: regarding the Lulu Lemon story, we were lying on my
Speaker 1: couch when I received a direct message from someone on
Speaker 1: Instagram saying how excited she was that Gary was in
Speaker 1: town and that she worked at Lululemon and she would
Speaker 1: love for us to come visit the store. Gary agreed.
Speaker 1: When we got there, Gary saw a shirt and asked
Speaker 1: me if I thought he should try it on. I
Speaker 1: enthusiastically said yes, and we went into the dressing room together.
Speaker 1: He asked me if I thought he should buy it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yes, you look great in it,
Speaker 1: and he bought it. He was grateful for my encouragement
Speaker 1: because he said in the past he always hesitated to
Speaker 1: buy things that he knew he should have. As for
Speaker 1: the shirt he was wearing before dinner, that was an
Speaker 1: entirely separate occasion where I gently suggested he wear something
Speaker 1: different because the restaurant was upscale, i e. East Coast,
Speaker 1: something any good wife or partner would do. These were
Speaker 1: entirely two separate stories that Gary decided to combine together
Speaker 1: for effect. So that's her side of the story.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Like, what the hell, dude.
Speaker 1: I know this is such a thing. It's that thing.
Speaker 1: We always come back.
Speaker 2: To the Garth Brooks song that we talk about, like
Speaker 2: an unanswered prayers.
Speaker 1: You know, be careful what you wish for, be careful
Speaker 1: what you fight for.
Speaker 2: You're on a show, you don't These guys are not
Speaker 2: not I shouldn't say guys.
Speaker 1: These people are not being vetted properly. We know that.
Speaker 2: We know that from gen season. We know that, you know,
Speaker 2: you can't know everything, You can't know if someone's being
Speaker 2: like you know, if they're pretending or whatever, you can't
Speaker 2: know that, but you know, like Devin, for example, on
Speaker 2: Gen season, he had a record, yes of like smashing,
Speaker 2: I mean really like abusive shit. And he's certainly not
Speaker 2: the only one. I'm not saying Gary had that record,
Speaker 2: but he did have a little bit of like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's some stuff.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got stuff. I'm just going to read you a
Speaker 1: little bit more. This is not like specific story, but
Speaker 1: this is what she's saying now. She says, overall, Gary
Speaker 1: called me names, He criticized me, He put me down.
Speaker 1: At one point he said, I don't want to hear
Speaker 1: your opinion. He called me an East Coast snob, something
Speaker 1: I'd never even heard before before I heard it come
Speaker 1: out of his mouth. There were so many instances of
Speaker 1: him having a temper and getting mad at things I did.
Speaker 1: Nist also alleged Turner had quote yelled at me the
Speaker 1: day after their wedding quote. I would say, half the
Speaker 1: time I was in front of the person I saw
Speaker 1: on the show, and half the time I really never
Speaker 1: knew what he was going to get mad at, why
Speaker 1: he was going to get mad, and when the next
Speaker 1: shoe was going to drop, I mean, and then she says,
Speaker 1: you should have. She's talking to him, basically, you should
Speaker 1: have called off the wedding. They're asking like they're saying
Speaker 1: that he touched that. Basically they're talking about Leslie, whom
Speaker 1: he still finds himself getting emotional over. You should have
Speaker 1: called off the wedding. No matter that we were on TV,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. This was our lives. You should have
Speaker 1: stopped it. If you really wanted to be with Leslie.
Speaker 1: I would have applauded it. I would have supported you.
Speaker 1: I would have been happy. Yeah. And then she's basically
Speaker 1: saying they're asking why she felt compared to compelled to
Speaker 1: share her side of the story, and she says, Gary
Speaker 1: got me to the point where I finally had to
Speaker 1: say something. I would have never said anything. I was
Speaker 1: keeping this all to myself. It was going to say
Speaker 1: a word of that. But when someone accuses you of
Speaker 1: things you didn't do and recount stories in ways that
Speaker 1: it didn't happen, there are just so many things he said, right,
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: It's insane. And let's just say so that we're clear
Speaker 2: before we go. We are team Teresa here. I don't
Speaker 2: believe Gary. I just don't believe it. I really just
Speaker 2: have nothing that he says makes sense. You know what,
Speaker 2: I wish we could. It's probably too late. She's moved
Speaker 2: on with her life now. Would be a really good
Speaker 2: time to have Leslie on the show. We had her booked,
Speaker 2: but then the fires happened and so it just didn't happen.
Speaker 2: And then she went off to do Bachelor in Paradise
Speaker 2: and was so she's so good. She's like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just going on, where was it, coach?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she didn't.
Speaker 2: She was so good at not saying why. Yeah, she
Speaker 2: knew the contract. But I wonder now I think it's
Speaker 2: probably I'd love to have her on and see if
Speaker 2: we can pick her. She probably won't talk shit about Gary,
Speaker 2: but I want to see what she says about Teresa,
Speaker 2: Like I want I kind of want to see if
Speaker 2: we can get her to talk, even.
Speaker 1: Even if she didn't like to, even if these people
Speaker 1: didn't like Teresa. Listen, she won his heart fair and square,
Speaker 1: Like that's the game. We all talk about it. It's
Speaker 1: like they're playing a game, and I mean we were
Speaker 1: all surprised by it. I mean I was kind of.
Speaker 2: He wanted Joan, Joan didn't want him. Joan left, so
Speaker 2: then he was left with what he didn't really want.
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, I'll go with the rich one,
Speaker 2: I guess, And that's what he did, right, Like all right.
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Speaker 1: I just think, listen, it's it's hard with these shows
Speaker 1: because you know a lot most of them don't work out,
Speaker 1: and it is you're on a TV show. And I think,
Speaker 1: as we're seeing as mel is making it kind of
Speaker 1: painfully clear, people do act differently when they're on TV.
Speaker 1: They're not really being themselves. They're either not being fully open.
Speaker 1: I mean, it tells you a lot that he found
Speaker 1: out what she did for a living in the fantasy suite.
Speaker 1: I know it's insane, and that he decided literally decided
Speaker 1: a week before, like, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: her to marry me. It does seem like you don't
Speaker 1: know much about a person when most of the time
Speaker 1: you spend with them is with cameras on you, right, correct,
Speaker 1: that's all right, I'm saying, sure, there's more to come
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 2: Don't think that we're not going to keep following these
Speaker 2: two crazies, although I mean, how much more can there
Speaker 2: be really with him? But you know, we wish, we
Speaker 2: wish her well and the East Coast snobbery. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: Well I'm gonna work on Leslie. I know I've said
Speaker 2: that for a while, but I think it's time. But
Speaker 2: now she needs to come on. We need to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I want her, Jack and mel I will
Speaker 2: because we love her so much.
Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, bye guys.
Speaker 2: By h