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<v Speaker 1>Uh uh uh, Hello everybody, and welcome to Rose Pricks.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode is an emergency. M hm hi Cecily Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>It is an emergency because our man, our man, Gary

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<v Speaker 2>over at the Golden Snatch Batch is a nat. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not behaving well okayere is he?

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<v Speaker 1>Where is this? The world? The Bachelor universe, Golden Bachelor

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<v Speaker 1>Universe has exploded with content all about and and this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that I do when I when I talk,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to preface. But it's all about the demise

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<v Speaker 1>of Teresa and Gary's relationship. Now. One thing that really

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<v Speaker 1>made me upset was let's go all the way back

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<v Speaker 1>in the way back machine to a time when these

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<v Speaker 1>two were just like, yeah, we're splitting up after three months.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to mention why. You don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>know that, don't worry about the details, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, things change and you know, and we were like,

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<v Speaker 1>what excuse me, what do you mean that?

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<v Speaker 2>Like immediately after we had to watch them on People

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<v Speaker 2>magazine and like have a wedding. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just insane much put into this, yes, and then there

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<v Speaker 2>was oh so they put so much into it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then remember there was a lot of back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth where other people kind of wade in, and remember

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<v Speaker 1>people were like, well, Gary was really disappointed because she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to quit her job. But oh, first it

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<v Speaker 1>was they can't figure out where to live, remember, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, her grandkids were somewhere and his grandkids were

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere and their kids and oh my gosh, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>figure out. We're just postponing picking a house. And so

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<v Speaker 1>there was all of this back and forth of really

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<v Speaker 1>not crazy reasons why they broke up. Nobody was bad

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<v Speaker 1>mouthing anybody. And then remember there were a few hints

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<v Speaker 1>and then this thing happened when Gary said that he

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<v Speaker 1>had cancer. And then there was a thing that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Gary implied that Teresa wasn't going to be okay with

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<v Speaker 1>him having cancer. Remember that, And then we had to

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<v Speaker 1>do an emergency Patreon because Teresa was like, oh, hell no,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not say that. That's crazy. Like what I

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<v Speaker 1>said was, of course I'm here to support you, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Gary was like, yeah, but you didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>me to be a burden and Teresa was like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>in your head. All that's ridiculous. Okay. So all that

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<v Speaker 1>is to say that Gary wrote a book which nobody

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<v Speaker 1>asked you. Yes, he did that really fast.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know how well. I guess it's

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<v Speaker 2>not that fast. I guess it's been it's been a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>But he got some help. There's no way he just

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but I guess he was working on the book

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<v Speaker 1>Early Days of Teresa. Okay, this is like a little

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<v Speaker 1>little bitty little side note. Okay, you know we love

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<v Speaker 1>a digression. I was listening to a podcast. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>ever listen to But no, you don't. You're not really

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast, really don't. No, I know you don't. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's a podcast called Betrayal. Okay, then tells stories about

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<v Speaker 1>people who were got betrayed. And there's this one that

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<v Speaker 1>I just listened to the other day about this woman

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<v Speaker 1>and her name is and now I got to remember

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<v Speaker 1>her first name. I think it's Nobler. Hannah Guitar. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a Hannah Nobler. Okay, P I T T A

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<v Speaker 1>R D. Okay. So this woman, Hannah was with this

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<v Speaker 1>man with this man's and she her she had like

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<v Speaker 1>a best friend, a really intense best friend, and the

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<v Speaker 1>best friend introduced her to this guy and they end

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<v Speaker 1>up hooking up and then they're together and they spend

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time as a foursome because her best

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<v Speaker 1>friend also had a husband. Right, so they're all like swingers, no,

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<v Speaker 1>like couples going out together a lot. At one point,

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah's best friend like came and with her husband, came

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<v Speaker 1>and stayed with them for months at a time.

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<v Speaker 2>I never saved. I do not know wh I've not that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like having a hot nanny. It's the dilmst like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I don't care, I don't I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Agree. So, so it turns out that this husband

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<v Speaker 1>she's a writer and she was working on her novel.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she gets her novel published and he's having some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of jealousy issues with that because he's like ok oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Also also she's getting like magazine articles stuff, and he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>can you tell him, like I have a good idea

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<v Speaker 1>for an article, you know that kind of thing. She's

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<v Speaker 1>happy to go like, hey, like my husband, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, like I have a friend who has a

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<v Speaker 1>great story about this. Would you be interested? And she

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<v Speaker 1>gets him like assignments but you know, yeah, so anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm at right, this guy's this guy's great. So time

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<v Speaker 1>goes by that they're married. His jealousy is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>out of control, just being a dick, and they end up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and then she finds out that he was cheating

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<v Speaker 1>on her and it's because she cheated with the guy

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<v Speaker 1>with He cheated with the girl with the best friend. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so Hannah's husband that's jealous ends up fucking her friend

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<v Speaker 1>that introduced her in the first place, and she finds

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<v Speaker 1>out because that friend's her husband or whatever. Her boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they're married or not, is the

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<v Speaker 1>one who tells Hannah. So she's of course really upset

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<v Speaker 1>about this. Anyway, this is all to say that Hannah

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<v Speaker 1>ends up writing a book, and this is real. These

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<v Speaker 1>are real people, and you can look this up. She

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a book and I can't remember exactly what it's called,

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<v Speaker 1>but a memoir. She gets a deal to write a

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<v Speaker 1>memoir about the demise of her marriage and about how

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<v Speaker 1>this her husband like cheated on her with her best friend,

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<v Speaker 1>like as her editor tells her, oh my god, heads up,

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<v Speaker 1>go look at this. And it turns out that the

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<v Speaker 1>ex husband has written a quote novel no about his

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<v Speaker 1>side of the story, which is of course totally different

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<v Speaker 1>than hers, but like it's novel, like it's fiction, like

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<v Speaker 1>he's trying to write, except that it's exactly like their story.

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<v Speaker 1>So she finds out that it's like total facts about

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<v Speaker 1>them fights they've had, like and it's really unflattering.

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<v Speaker 2>This is very David Harber versus Lily Allen, which we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to on Board again. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>make us talk about it one more time on Board,

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<v Speaker 2>just because I finally listened to the album and I

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<v Speaker 2>have I have notes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I great. But anyway, so if you look these up,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really funny because so and The New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>did a story about this where it said, like two

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<v Speaker 1>authors both having books about their side of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>They have very different sides of the story. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>really funny because if you look it up, all the

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<v Speaker 1>reviews on his book are so like, fuck you, you're

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<v Speaker 1>an asshole, like you mistreated, like you're you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is stupid narcissistic attempt to like just have vengeance on

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<v Speaker 1>your ex wife, and like, you know, it's all very

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<v Speaker 1>like who's on whose pick?

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<v Speaker 2>People pick sides, read them back to back and really

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<v Speaker 2>like have try to have like an objective opinion on

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<v Speaker 2>which one's better. I mean these days, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>who knows who helped you know, if this guy was

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<v Speaker 2>able to even write his own thing, But like it

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<v Speaker 2>would be interesting to me to see who had the who,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just better better wordsmith, Yes, and also see

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of back and forth. That's a great that

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<v Speaker 2>should be a Netflix that that whole thing should be

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<v Speaker 2>like a Netflix show. It really relationship and then the

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<v Speaker 2>back to back, like I could see this as like

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<v Speaker 2>an Adam McKay movie.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean. I love that. We should

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<v Speaker 1>pitch it. We should pitch it. Let's do it. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>all that is to say that this is literally what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with these two, with Teresa and Gary, because

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<v Speaker 1>now that Gary wrote a book, He's saying a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things that Teresa's like, oh hell to the no,

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<v Speaker 1>that did not happen that way. And I have all

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<v Speaker 1>of it here and I'm gonna I'm going to try

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of go in order. Don't want to Let's

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<v Speaker 1>do it later. Okay, Yeah, let's do that at the end. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So Gary Turner, this is the first thing I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>read you. Gary Turner feels this was why Teresa Nist

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<v Speaker 1>went on Golden Bachelor, and you know this is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be this is just so funny, like they

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<v Speaker 1>are both just going at each other. Okay, so it

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<v Speaker 1>says the way inaugural this is I should give credit

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<v Speaker 1>where credits do. This is Yahoo dot com. The way

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Turner sees it, his former bride Terreesentness wasn't there

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<v Speaker 1>to make friends or even find a second chance at love. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>as he detailed in his recently released memoir, The seventy

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<v Speaker 1>two year Old Financial Services Professional, although he's not seventy

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<v Speaker 1>two anymore? Wasn't he seventy two when he went on?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah so he's seventy four now was singing? He says,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, she's seventy two. The seventy two year Old

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<v Speaker 1>Financial Services Professional was singularly focused on accepting his final

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<v Speaker 1>rows after their three month marriage ended, in large part,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, because of her decision to go back on

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<v Speaker 1>her plan to retire. Gary found himself wondering if his

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<v Speaker 1>one time spouse truly had signed on to the franchise's

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<v Speaker 1>sixty and older spinoff for the right reasons quote, why

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<v Speaker 1>did she enter a process that required such a leap

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<v Speaker 1>of faith? If she was going to be inflexible. Later,

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote, reflecting on both Teresa's desire to keep working

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<v Speaker 1>and what he perceived to be her ambivalence towards staying

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<v Speaker 1>with him in Indiana, Oh, don't worry. This is going

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<v Speaker 1>to get so much juicier. I just have to lay

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<v Speaker 1>this out. It's like they're both going to be like what, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not quite it, and then they're going to lay

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<v Speaker 1>into each other. Uh. Was it her goal to find

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<v Speaker 1>her forever partner, perhaps to get her fifteen minutes of fame,

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<v Speaker 1>or as some of the other women who were on

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<v Speaker 1>the show told me, was it to capitalize on Then

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<v Speaker 1>this is all in italics, winning the competition for my affection.

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<v Speaker 2>My god, that's so gross, Like, dude, so gross, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>sitting okay, and what fame? She's not a theme seeker

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<v Speaker 2>at all. She's like, oh, opposit it, no, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>so okay, so he says. Because after the seventy four

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<v Speaker 2>year old announced his separation from Teresa, a few of

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<v Speaker 2>her fellow contestants asked if they could steal him for

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<v Speaker 2>a sec quote. Several women shared a seemingly small detail

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<v Speaker 2>that loomed large in my mind. Gary alleged in his

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<v Speaker 2>book quote while at the mansion, Teresa was reading How

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<v Speaker 2>to Win the Bachelor, a book that promises the secret

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<v Speaker 2>to finding love and fame on America's favorite reality show,

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<v Speaker 2>and that it says too basically to Gary quote, there

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<v Speaker 2>was something about the image of Teresa curled up on

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<v Speaker 2>one of the couches planning her strategy to win a

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<v Speaker 2>rose that made me feel sick to my stomach. He's

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<v Speaker 2>so dramatic. I know, I'm reading it, very dramatic. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't write I'm telling you he didn't write that. That

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<v Speaker 2>guy did not sit down and write those words. This

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<v Speaker 2>is quote, Yeah, it from his book. I'm just saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that. It's like, it's like I get

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<v Speaker 2>so mad about that, Like with the Britney Spears stuff

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<v Speaker 2>when people are quoting all of us, She's like she

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<v Speaker 2>never put those words together.

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<v Speaker 1>No, definitely the one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>In like puppy emojis and like there's no way, there's

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<v Speaker 1>You can't I just I just hate that. Yeah. No,

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<v Speaker 1>It was all came from like interviews, clearly and clearly anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>that her goal was never to find the next love

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<v Speaker 1>of her life. It was to win. Really, Teresa insisted

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<v Speaker 1>to Audible, checking out the Audible, the audio book service

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<v Speaker 1>before filming the show. Quote one of the books on

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<v Speaker 1>somebody wrote a book on how to Win the Bachelor,

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<v Speaker 1>So I started listening to it, but I only got

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<v Speaker 1>so don't I don't buy that, Teresa. Okay, So I

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<v Speaker 1>about it when I went to the show. Still, Gary

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<v Speaker 1>claimed he wasn't the only one second guessing Teresa's journey.

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<v Speaker 1>were upset because they felt Teresa had cheated them out

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<v Speaker 1>of a chance to find love too. According to various accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>almost as soon as she set foot in the mansion,

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa was manipulative, describing our connection as so strong that

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<v Speaker 1>our mansionmates might as well give up and go home.

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<v Speaker 1>And the situation only got thornier as she began collecting roses,

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<v Speaker 1>Aged alleged the former lead she falsely said, Gary only

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<v Speaker 1>likes petite brunettes. No, that's Gary saying that. So looking

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<v Speaker 1>back without his rose colored glasses, Gary admitted to E

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<v Speaker 1>News that it was certainly a possibility Teresa was telling

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<v Speaker 1>could have been the case many times anyway. So as

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<v Speaker 1>for his short lived romance to Teresa, I guess hindsight,

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<v Speaker 1>being twenty twenty, I wish I would have seen those

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<v Speaker 1>red flags. Those weren't even red flags. Gary shut up,

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<v Speaker 1>he explained, But as much as the romance with his

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<v Speaker 1>final rose recipient wilted, they really tried to make their

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, my God, enough with like the rose. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like when they like get off on a metaphor.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the thorny, let's water this stop it. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>one rose. Nobody cares. So here's some I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to see what to read first, because so now Teresa okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Teresa Nist is ready to share her side of the

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<v Speaker 2>story on the heels of Gary Turner's Tell All. She says,

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<v Speaker 2>want is peace and joy and good things in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Teresa said, I have been so upset. I have been

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<v Speaker 2>extremely upset. Anytime I talk about anything that I read

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<v Speaker 2>that he said, about any interaction we had, I just go,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not how it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Then the course they go back to the story.

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<v Speaker 1>While they initially claimed the split was mutual, they began,

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<v Speaker 1>he said. She said in the media that has come

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<v Speaker 1>to a head with Gary's new memoir. Ahead of the

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<v Speaker 1>book's release, Gary exclusively told US Weekly that he thought

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa quote should be worried about the contents and then

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<v Speaker 1>she's saying that felt threatening to me. Why would he

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<v Speaker 1>say something like that, Teresa said In response for him

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<v Speaker 1>to say that, I have to say, was he not there?

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<v Speaker 1>Does he not know the things he did? And that

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<v Speaker 1>I would have so many things to say. In Teresa's perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a distance between her and Gary that began

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<v Speaker 1>on her overnight date. It wasn't until the pair were

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<v Speaker 1>in the fantasy suite and she began talking about her

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<v Speaker 1>job that she felt the dynamic changed completely. Quote, he

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<v Speaker 1>started proclaiming his love for me. He said, I love you,

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<v Speaker 1>I love you, I love you, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you to marry me, and whether or not you

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<v Speaker 1>say yes, that's up to you. I was shocked, Teresa recalled, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, this is just me interjecting. We

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<v Speaker 1>freaking called this because we said he was totally into

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<v Speaker 1>Leslie until he found out that she made a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money. Yeah, we all said that. Remember, we

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<v Speaker 1>were like, it's so weird that turnaround that he did.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was only after she talked about her job.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he said to Leslie in her face, you're

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<v Speaker 2>the one. Yes, see, I don't know I don't. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen anything. I think that's so much worse than

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<v Speaker 2>I love you because I love you. I say I

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<v Speaker 2>love you to my Maleman.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I say it to him too, And I do

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<v Speaker 2>love my mail man. Yes he's so hot because he's

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<v Speaker 2>he's odd. I'm not gonna lie sometimes I just say

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<v Speaker 2>it because it seems like he needs to hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm just I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like I love you, but you're the one

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<v Speaker 2>in a competition. Is just that's fucking such a mind fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm so right for him to like switch

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<v Speaker 2>back and be like oh yeah, She's like yeah, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, we haven't mentioned this in like the four

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<v Speaker 2>weeks we've been dating and we're about to get married.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'm like a stock trader, yes or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>like what you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What's funny too, is that we're complaining about mel who

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<v Speaker 1>won't say anything. He's like, you know what, Honestly, neither

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<v Speaker 1>of you are the one.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't have to say I've got it Dave

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<v Speaker 2>mail credit though when we were talking about it today,

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<v Speaker 2>I was giving him credit or yesterday I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually appreciate that he doesn't lie.

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<v Speaker 1>He refuses to play that game, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>one thing right, But it's just so funny how opposite

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<v Speaker 1>they are. I know Gary's telling both of them, I

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<v Speaker 1>love you, You're it, You're it. Okay, so she's saying

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<v Speaker 1>he started proclaiming his love to me, and I shock,

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa recalled, noting that she thought Gary had a stronger

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<v Speaker 1>connection with Leslie. Elsewhere in the podcast, Teresa denied Gary's

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<v Speaker 1>allegations that she was reading a book to strategize. She

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<v Speaker 1>said she listened to the first chapter, so then she

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<v Speaker 1>repeats that part after ending. After ending the show engaged

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<v Speaker 1>to Gary, Teresa claimed that there was one instance that

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<v Speaker 1>alarmed her because of his alleged display of temper that

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<v Speaker 1>she couldn't believe. Teresa explained that she tends to stay

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<v Speaker 1>up to around midnight, whereas Gary prefers an earlier bedtime,

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<v Speaker 1>and things were tense when the pair tried. Once tried

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<v Speaker 1>to go to bed at seven thirty, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>this in another seven thirty. I was up for like

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<v Speaker 1>an hour. What. Yeah, I'm an early I'm an early

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<v Speaker 1>bed person and that's insane. So I really think I

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<v Speaker 1>have I'm going to come back to this because this

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<v Speaker 1>part because there's more details about this. Okay, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come back to that, So hold on, I have something else. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is her on his temper. This is off

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<v Speaker 1>of Reddit. He said. I mean, I'm going to give you.

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<v Speaker 1>This is her talking on a podcast. She says, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to give you one example. When he called me

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<v Speaker 1>an East Coast snob. He called her an East Coast snob.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to get into nitty gritty, but I

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<v Speaker 1>will tell you one little thing. I was at his

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<v Speaker 1>house and he offered me a cold cut. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>anybody knows me, I don't eat cold cuts. I eat

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<v Speaker 1>Mediterranean diet. I eat like such a healthy diet. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just I said it like this. I said, oh no, Gary,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much, but I don't eat cold cuts.

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<v Speaker 1>And he goes, uh huh uh huh uh huh huh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, you just insulted me. And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're an East Coast snob. I said, no, Gary, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>on the East Coast eats cold cuts. I said, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the only one who doesn't. I said, my husband ate

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<v Speaker 1>cold cuts all day long. Oh there's Oh, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>much worse. This guy is a fucking asshole. And my

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<v Speaker 1>husband ate opposite of me. I used to cook two

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<v Speaker 1>and I was a gourmet cook, like everything everything in town. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to the cooking. We'll get to the cooking, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was something like that. It was something silly

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<v Speaker 1>like why am I East Coast because I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>cold cuts. They're going back and forth, they're talking, and

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<v Speaker 1>you said there was one instance where you meant well,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he lashed out, Okay, what happened? Sure, sure, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the story that one happened before we got married.

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<v Speaker 1>So I usually go to bed at midnight, eleven thirty midnight.

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<v Speaker 1>I learned Gary goes to bed at like nine or

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<v Speaker 1>nine thirty. So there was a day that he had

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<v Speaker 1>to get up really early, so he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>bed at seven thirty. So I said, I'll keep you company.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go to bed with you, and we really went

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<v Speaker 1>to bed. I earnestly tried to go to sleep. This

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<v Speaker 1>is so relatable. He goes, I couldn't get to sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>it's seven thirty. It's hard to fall asleep when it's

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<v Speaker 1>too early for you. And I go to bed at midnight,

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<v Speaker 1>he's peaceful, he's sleeping. Allget I try to relax and

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<v Speaker 1>get tired. I went on social media. I'm eating my

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just about to go to sleep, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, he comes storming out of the bedroom,

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<v Speaker 1>calling me a liar. You're a liar. You lied to me,

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<v Speaker 1>You lied, And she says, I don't want to do

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<v Speaker 1>it in his voice, but it was you lied to me.

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<v Speaker 1>You lied to me. You said you were going to bed,

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<v Speaker 1>but you didn't mean it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's insane if that's true, And I said's true, Gary?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I said no, Gary, I really tried to go

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep. I couldn't. And now I was just about

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<v Speaker 1>to get back in bed. A normal reaction from like

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else would have been, oh you couldn't get to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, you know I just couldn't get to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't lie to him. Yeah, And then the person's

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<v Speaker 1>going so it's really interpreting your actions in the worst,

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<v Speaker 1>most negative way. And can I pause for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, talking about it like this is so weird to

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<v Speaker 1>Out the door immediately if someone's like.

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<v Speaker 2>You lied and said you were going to be I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's like a five year old, not just a

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<v Speaker 2>five year old, like a five year old with like

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, this this coincides with some of

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and yeah, because and I'm always like leery of

415
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<v Speaker 2>those things because you know, it's one side of a

416
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<v Speaker 2>story and it's a it's a like an ex who

417
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<v Speaker 2>might be angry, and I always that's the why I

418
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<v Speaker 2>always push back. But hearing like this specific crazy shit, Yeah,

419
00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:55.799
<v Speaker 2>there's moreturbing. So there's more. So it says it was

420
00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.240
<v Speaker 2>he said it really violent, like very very in such

421
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<v Speaker 2>a bad the world or most negative way, and it

422
00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:05.880
<v Speaker 2>was I was like, well, so we've really touched.

423
00:23:05.559 --> 00:23:08.240
<v Speaker 1>On this, Okay, East Coast snob thing. He doesn't use

424
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<v Speaker 1>the word snob in the book, but he routinely uses

425
00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:15.799
<v Speaker 1>East Coast mentality, so he doesn't like people from like, yeah,

426
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<v Speaker 1>is she Jewish?

427
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:20.279
<v Speaker 2>That feels a little. That feels like a dog whistley

428
00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:22.000
<v Speaker 2>to me. I know Leslie was, but I don't know.

429
00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:23.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Teresa was. But do you know what

430
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<v Speaker 2>I mean when you that's a very like that's almost

431
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<v Speaker 2>like a Trumpian like elite thing to say, you know,

432
00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:34.759
<v Speaker 2>like you're calling someone elite, right, yeah, And that's like, yeah, okay,

433
00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:36.079
<v Speaker 2>so listen to this.

434
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So do you want me to tell you a

435
00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.039
<v Speaker 1>similar story to that? Yes, okay, I'm going to tell you.

436
00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I finally went to his house and we took a

437
00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:47.799
<v Speaker 1>walk around this lake called Pretty Lake, and we were

438
00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:50.400
<v Speaker 1>coming to the end of it and he says, and

439
00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:52.960
<v Speaker 1>this is really bizarre. He said, you see that shed

440
00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:55.799
<v Speaker 1>up there. I said yeah. He said, well, that's where

441
00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to hide your body after I kill you

442
00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:02.240
<v Speaker 1>and chop you up. And he was laughing. She said

443
00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:05.160
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't laughing. I said, well, this is his idea

444
00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>of a joke that was pretty dark humor. And then

445
00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:12.880
<v Speaker 1>somebody goes, they should look in the cabin, She said,

446
00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:16.839
<v Speaker 1>is there animosity? I just felt like there was animosity

447
00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:19.799
<v Speaker 1>in that statement that was underlying, like maybe if he

448
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:22.000
<v Speaker 1>could have gotten rid of me or something. I don't

449
00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:24.240
<v Speaker 1>think he would have killed me. No, I don't think

450
00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:28.960
<v Speaker 1>that's true. But it just spoke to an underlying feeling

451
00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:32.839
<v Speaker 1>about me because it was already tense. And it really

452
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:35.519
<v Speaker 1>does come up a lot as he feels that you

453
00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:37.720
<v Speaker 1>do not have a shared sense of humor. He thinks,

454
00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:39.720
<v Speaker 1>he seems to think you have no sense of humor,

455
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:43.119
<v Speaker 1>and that Leslie had a great sense of humor. Why

456
00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:46.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't he choose Leslie? Then? Yeah, she's our girl.

457
00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:49.079
<v Speaker 2>That's so stupid. Obviously he was kidding. I am going

458
00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:51.039
<v Speaker 2>to push back. I do not like Gary, but obviously

459
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:54.599
<v Speaker 2>he that was a joke. Okay, So here's okay, So

460
00:24:54.839 --> 00:25:00.000
<v Speaker 2>buckle up. Here's an excerpt from his book, He's an Asshole.

461
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.640
<v Speaker 2>He says, I must admit I was surprised by the

462
00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.839
<v Speaker 2>size of Teresa's one story house. The tiny two bedroom

463
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:12.960
<v Speaker 2>seemed to suit her perfectly, Inauspiciously, there wasn't much room

464
00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.480
<v Speaker 2>for me. I looked around for a place to put.

465
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:19.599
<v Speaker 1>My suitcase and couldn't find a convenient, flat surface. He's

466
00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:23.039
<v Speaker 1>going to be he's so passive aggressive. Certainly not in

467
00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:25.759
<v Speaker 1>the tiny master bedroom. So this is all word for

468
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<v Speaker 1>word in the book. This is an excerpt the tiny

469
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:32.160
<v Speaker 1>master bedroom, where space was at a premium. I finally

470
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:34.720
<v Speaker 1>decided the best solution was to put my belongings in

471
00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:37.799
<v Speaker 1>her office, which was just a few short steps from

472
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the bedroom. I instantly felt like a trespasser in her home,

473
00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:44.839
<v Speaker 1>like I didn't belong. The stark reality this was life

474
00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>with my new wife took my breath away because the

475
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.680
<v Speaker 1>space was so confining. I lived directly out of my

476
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:55.200
<v Speaker 1>suitcase for the duration of my stay. The stark reality

477
00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:59.400
<v Speaker 1>this was life with my new wife. Wait, they repeated

478
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:04.960
<v Speaker 1>that surprise her stove turned vanity. Teresa used her flat

479
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:09.279
<v Speaker 1>stovetop as her makeup counter. Hell yeah, One she didn't

480
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:12.680
<v Speaker 1>cook much, and two the lighting was better because the

481
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:14.799
<v Speaker 1>range was next to a window. And three there was

482
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:18.480
<v Speaker 1>more space to spread out if I want to cook eggs,

483
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I asked, where do I go for that? Teresa was

484
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:24.279
<v Speaker 1>kind enough to clear the stove while I was there

485
00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:26.519
<v Speaker 1>and cooked a few meals for us, most of which

486
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:31.920
<v Speaker 1>were salmon medium rare and green vegetables. How dare she? Oh?

487
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:35.559
<v Speaker 1>My god. Looking back at our engagement feast that night

488
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.400
<v Speaker 1>in Costa Rica, I realized that the whole dinner had

489
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>been totally out of character for her. We had both

490
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:43.279
<v Speaker 1>eaten like somebody was going to take the food away

491
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:45.640
<v Speaker 1>from us. I don't know if that was because we'd

492
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>been sequestered with limited food choices or because we were

493
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.000
<v Speaker 1>feeling the release of the show's end. I know I

494
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:56.599
<v Speaker 1>felt like I was just out of jail. Uh so

495
00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.519
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. He's talking about how she doesn't like

496
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.440
<v Speaker 1>to eat enough stuff that he likes to eat. Okay,

497
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:06.319
<v Speaker 1>As I was beginning to realize during my stay in

498
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:10.359
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, physical intimacy wasn't going to bond Teresa and

499
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:13.759
<v Speaker 1>me either. My first night at her house, she took

500
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.960
<v Speaker 1>out sheets and pillows before telling me tomorrow is a

501
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:18.920
<v Speaker 1>big work day. I need a good night's sleep. Do

502
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:25.440
<v Speaker 1>you mind sleeping on the sofa? Okay? And then here's

503
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 1>her response to this, Oh.

504
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean we knew we sort of could see it

505
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.920
<v Speaker 2>when you'd get all read sometimes with like what looks

506
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:41.200
<v Speaker 2>to be like, oh he's such a feeler comes a temper, Yes,

507
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:43.599
<v Speaker 2>controlling ooh, okay.

508
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:45.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to get to this part because she has

509
00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:49.039
<v Speaker 1>a very different story about it. Okay, forty eight hours

510
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:52.599
<v Speaker 1>after Teresa and I said I do, he says, we parted,

511
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.880
<v Speaker 1>and what had become standard operating procedure for us, we

512
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.440
<v Speaker 1>made a huge declaration of love and commitment and then

513
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:01.200
<v Speaker 1>went our separate ways. I flew home to New Jersey

514
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>while I returned to Indiana. I wouldn't blame anyone who

515
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:07.920
<v Speaker 1>accused me of being a phony when I exchanged vows

516
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.680
<v Speaker 1>with Teresa. But I can say that, despite my fear

517
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.119
<v Speaker 1>that we weren't ready for marriage, I still committed to

518
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the sacred Institution with all my heart. Whatever it took

519
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.559
<v Speaker 1>to make this relationship work and last I was willing

520
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:23.279
<v Speaker 1>to do. It wasn't just for her that I vowed

521
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.799
<v Speaker 1>to Teresa to choose you every day as the one

522
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I love and never take your heart for granted. So okay,

523
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:33.759
<v Speaker 1>so this is what this is what he says. That's

524
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.319
<v Speaker 1>what I was doing when I drove fourteen hours to

525
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Shrewsbury on January eleventh. I was married to the lady.

526
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I thought I should at least see where she lived.

527
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:44.799
<v Speaker 1>I feared that if I was not proactive and did

528
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>not make a trip. The top priority inner show had

529
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>set in. So then he goes on about her stove

530
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and all that stuff that I read you. And then

531
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.119
<v Speaker 1>as I was beginning, okay, do you mind sleeping on

532
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.119
<v Speaker 1>the sofa? Yeah, no problem, were the words that came

533
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>out of my mouth. But I was really thinking why

534
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:08.319
<v Speaker 1>we're married. I did not want to make waves, especially

535
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:10.559
<v Speaker 1>on my first night in her home. Of course, if

536
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Teresa wanted to take things slowly or was having mixed feelings,

537
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I would understand. I would never force anyone to do

538
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.519
<v Speaker 1>anything that they weren't comfortable with. If her question had

539
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:23.759
<v Speaker 1>become the start of an authentic and honest conversation about

540
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:28.119
<v Speaker 1>deeper issues, I might have even welcomed it. Instead, Theresa

541
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and I remained silent while she made up the couch

542
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>for me. The non confrontational route turned out to be

543
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.319
<v Speaker 1>a mistake because the one night on the couch turned

544
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 1>into two and then three. Once again, this was very

545
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>a very different Terresa from the woman I had encountered

546
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:47.599
<v Speaker 1>in Costa Rica at the resort. Her behavior regarding intimacy

547
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:53.119
<v Speaker 1>was comfortable even forward. When we returned to the States,

548
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:57.359
<v Speaker 1>she ignored opportunities for intimacy. I brushed it aside, figuring

549
00:29:57.400 --> 00:29:59.799
<v Speaker 1>it was the nerves of keeping our engagement a secret,

550
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.839
<v Speaker 1>and then the exhaustion of the wedding planning. But what

551
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:03.799
<v Speaker 1>was the excuse?

552
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Now?

553
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:07.839
<v Speaker 1>When I arrived at Shrewsbury, it should have been an

554
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 1>awesome trip. This was our first time together that we

555
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:13.119
<v Speaker 1>didn't have to hide we were married. It should have

556
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:16.519
<v Speaker 1>been a freaking honeymoon. I really had a hard time

557
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:19.319
<v Speaker 1>making sense of it. I feel I'm a pretty confident guy,

558
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.599
<v Speaker 1>comfortable in my own skin. I don't get shook giving

559
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>a speech to a crowd or an interview on National

560
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Tel TV. But the rejection I got from Teresa rattled

561
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.599
<v Speaker 1>me deeply and stayed with me for a long time.

562
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>A lot of thoughts went through my head. Am I

563
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:38.079
<v Speaker 1>not attractive anymore at my age? Have I somehow offended Teresa?

564
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Hurt her feelings? It made me think Tony was a

565
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.079
<v Speaker 1>saint for sticking with me for forty three years. And

566
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.519
<v Speaker 1>then I define intimacy in a number of different ways.

567
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:53.119
<v Speaker 1>It's certainly not just sex. Sharing thoughts and feelings candidly

568
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:57.279
<v Speaker 1>without fear of judgment. That's intimate. Making your partner feel special.

569
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:02.559
<v Speaker 1>That's intimate. Okay. Then he goes on that he says

570
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>it was out of reach. With the signs that Teresa

571
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:09.400
<v Speaker 1>cared about me fading, everything started to bother me. Sleeping

572
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>on the sofa had made me bitter. But there were

573
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>other small events that highlighted our differences. One night, while

574
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>driving to dinner, I went five miles over the speed limit,

575
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:21.759
<v Speaker 1>and you would have thought I had a gun to

576
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:24.119
<v Speaker 1>her head the way she reacted. And if you think

577
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm exaggerating, I'm not. Admittedly I do not drive like

578
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 1>the typical seventy something person. But there is one thing

579
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.759
<v Speaker 1>I can say with one hundred percent confidence about myself.

580
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.279
<v Speaker 1>It's that I don't take foolish risks. Okay, I am

581
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.359
<v Speaker 1>the guy who got married on national TV to a

582
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>woman he had blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

583
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 1>On another night, when we were of course, I have

584
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:46.480
<v Speaker 1>to read you all this, because then I'm going to

585
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:50.160
<v Speaker 1>read you her response. When we were, of course, dressing

586
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 1>to go out for dinner. I was ready to leave

587
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.119
<v Speaker 1>when Teresa looked at me and pointed up and down

588
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>like a kindergarten teacher. Oh no, you're not wearing that.

589
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.839
<v Speaker 1>She said, let's go over to the Lululemon and grab

590
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>you something better. Why why would she want him to

591
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:07.839
<v Speaker 1>dress in Lululemon. That doesn't even make sense.

592
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.839
<v Speaker 2>I know I was, and that's the that's like the

593
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 2>publisher trying to get a plug in for Lululemon.

594
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Like how do we get Lululemon like tagged? You know

595
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Like that doesn't even make sense. I

596
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:19.599
<v Speaker 1>was getting you in some yoga pants.

597
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:21.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to meet my friends at the very fancy,

598
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.319
<v Speaker 2>big time New York place. It's getting in like some

599
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>like a little tank top and some yoga pants, like

600
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:30.039
<v Speaker 2>a flare at the bottom.

601
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>M Oh, it's gonna look so good on you, he says.

602
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:38.359
<v Speaker 1>I was wearing jeans and an expensive RII shirt. Why

603
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.119
<v Speaker 1>does he have to? My God? But it's again they're

604
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to tag something. Yes, but it was a plaid,

605
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.519
<v Speaker 1>which maybe she thought looked unsophisticated. I really didn't want

606
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:49.519
<v Speaker 1>to get bent out of shape over this, even though

607
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>I wondered why I had driven fourteen hours to sleep

608
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:56.839
<v Speaker 1>alone and have my wardrobe criticized. I that literally makes

609
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>no sense.

610
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Let's get you into some of these targets target shirts, right,

611
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:04.839
<v Speaker 2>that makes no I mean, I'm just this is why

612
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm just calling bullshit on it, like he's so cool.

613
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, she has a very different story about this exact situation,

614
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:13.559
<v Speaker 1>so he says, and who talks like this? So I

615
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:17.079
<v Speaker 1>tried to turn my frown upside down by taking selfies

616
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:19.559
<v Speaker 1>of us in the dressing room and later posting on

617
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.559
<v Speaker 1>Instagram about what a great time we'd had. Truthfully, however,

618
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:27.279
<v Speaker 1>I realized I could never embrace the East Coast lifestyle.

619
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, if he says that one more time,

620
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll fucking kill him. Fuck you dude. Horrible. Okay, so idiot.

621
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.799
<v Speaker 1>Here's Teresa's take on it. I'm not sure if Gary

622
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.279
<v Speaker 1>has a faulty memory or if he just wanted a

623
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.599
<v Speaker 1>more dramatic story for his book. Here's what really happened.

624
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:47.440
<v Speaker 1>We slept together the first night in my very small bed.

625
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:50.319
<v Speaker 1>After my husband passed away, I moved out of the

626
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:53.480
<v Speaker 1>master bedroom into a smaller bedroom with a full sized bed,

627
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>and I turned the master bedroom into an office. That

628
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.400
<v Speaker 1>first night of Gary's visit, I didn't sleep at all

629
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:03.359
<v Speaker 1>because I had been sleeping alone for nine years. Relatable

630
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:06.759
<v Speaker 1>thank you and sharing a bed again takes some getting

631
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.960
<v Speaker 1>used to. In the morning, Gary asked me how I slept.

632
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.039
<v Speaker 1>I told him I hadn't slept at all, and he

633
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:14.800
<v Speaker 1>offered to sleep on the couch going forward. I was

634
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.119
<v Speaker 1>extremely grateful and said, I promise you when you come back,

635
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:20.239
<v Speaker 1>I will have a king sized bed all set up

636
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>in the master bedroom for us. After that visit, Gary

637
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>went back to Indiana, but we put our money together

638
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:29.400
<v Speaker 1>and I quickly went to work ordering a king sized

639
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:32.360
<v Speaker 1>bed and all the linens for us to use. My

640
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>daughter and I put the entire bed together in a day,

641
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and I sent Gary photos of our progress. I was

642
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:40.400
<v Speaker 1>so happy that we now had a wonderful bed to

643
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 1>sleep in together. But Gary never returned. And then she says,

644
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:48.440
<v Speaker 1>regarding the Lulu Lemon story, we were lying on my

645
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.519
<v Speaker 1>couch when I received a direct message from someone on

646
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Instagram saying how excited she was that Gary was in

647
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:57.159
<v Speaker 1>town and that she worked at Lululemon and she would

648
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>love for us to come visit the store. Gary agreed.

649
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:03.480
<v Speaker 1>When we got there, Gary saw a shirt and asked

650
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:05.519
<v Speaker 1>me if I thought he should try it on. I

651
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 1>enthusiastically said yes, and we went into the dressing room together.

652
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:11.440
<v Speaker 1>He asked me if I thought he should buy it,

653
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:13.239
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, yes, you look great in it,

654
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:16.519
<v Speaker 1>and he bought it. He was grateful for my encouragement

655
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.519
<v Speaker 1>because he said in the past he always hesitated to

656
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 1>buy things that he knew he should have. As for

657
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.639
<v Speaker 1>the shirt he was wearing before dinner, that was an

658
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>entirely separate occasion where I gently suggested he wear something

659
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:32.280
<v Speaker 1>different because the restaurant was upscale, i e. East Coast,

660
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:36.079
<v Speaker 1>something any good wife or partner would do. These were

661
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:39.760
<v Speaker 1>entirely two separate stories that Gary decided to combine together

662
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.719
<v Speaker 1>for effect. So that's her side of the story.

663
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Like, what the hell, dude.

664
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:49.039
<v Speaker 1>I know this is such a thing. It's that thing.

665
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:49.880
<v Speaker 1>We always come back.

666
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 2>To the Garth Brooks song that we talk about, like

667
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:53.679
<v Speaker 2>an unanswered prayers.

668
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:56.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, be careful what you wish for, be careful

669
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:57.280
<v Speaker 1>what you fight for.

670
00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 2>You're on a show, you don't These guys are not

671
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 2>not I shouldn't say guys.

672
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.760
<v Speaker 1>These people are not being vetted properly. We know that.

673
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:06.960
<v Speaker 2>We know that from gen season. We know that, you know,

674
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.280
<v Speaker 2>you can't know everything, You can't know if someone's being

675
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:12.199
<v Speaker 2>like you know, if they're pretending or whatever, you can't

676
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 2>know that, but you know, like Devin, for example, on

677
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Gen season, he had a record, yes of like smashing,

678
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean really like abusive shit. And he's certainly not

679
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 2>the only one. I'm not saying Gary had that record,

680
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:27.800
<v Speaker 2>but he did have a little bit of like, you know,

681
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:28.719
<v Speaker 2>there's some stuff.

682
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Everybody's got stuff. I'm just going to read you a

683
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>little bit more. This is not like specific story, but

684
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.760
<v Speaker 1>this is what she's saying now. She says, overall, Gary

685
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>called me names, He criticized me, He put me down.

686
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:42.920
<v Speaker 1>At one point he said, I don't want to hear

687
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.039
<v Speaker 1>your opinion. He called me an East Coast snob, something

688
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I'd never even heard before before I heard it come

689
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.960
<v Speaker 1>out of his mouth. There were so many instances of

690
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>him having a temper and getting mad at things I did.

691
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Nist also alleged Turner had quote yelled at me the

692
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:02.519
<v Speaker 1>day after their wedding quote. I would say, half the

693
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:04.599
<v Speaker 1>time I was in front of the person I saw

694
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.199
<v Speaker 1>on the show, and half the time I really never

695
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 1>knew what he was going to get mad at, why

696
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.159
<v Speaker 1>he was going to get mad, and when the next

697
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:16.480
<v Speaker 1>shoe was going to drop, I mean, and then she says,

698
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.239
<v Speaker 1>you should have. She's talking to him, basically, you should

699
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:26.199
<v Speaker 1>have called off the wedding. They're asking like they're saying

700
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 1>that he touched that. Basically they're talking about Leslie, whom

701
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:34.440
<v Speaker 1>he still finds himself getting emotional over. You should have

702
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>called off the wedding. No matter that we were on TV,

703
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 1>it didn't matter. This was our lives. You should have

704
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:41.639
<v Speaker 1>stopped it. If you really wanted to be with Leslie.

705
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I would have applauded it. I would have supported you.

706
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 1>I would have been happy. Yeah. And then she's basically

707
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:51.119
<v Speaker 1>saying they're asking why she felt compared to compelled to

708
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.559
<v Speaker 1>share her side of the story, and she says, Gary

709
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.199
<v Speaker 1>got me to the point where I finally had to

710
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:57.920
<v Speaker 1>say something. I would have never said anything. I was

711
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.559
<v Speaker 1>keeping this all to myself. It was going to say

712
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>a word of that. But when someone accuses you of

713
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 1>things you didn't do and recount stories in ways that

714
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>it didn't happen, there are just so many things he said, right,

715
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty crazy.

716
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>It's insane. And let's just say so that we're clear

717
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:18.199
<v Speaker 2>before we go. We are team Teresa here. I don't

718
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:21.840
<v Speaker 2>believe Gary. I just don't believe it. I really just

719
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.320
<v Speaker 2>have nothing that he says makes sense. You know what,

720
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:27.239
<v Speaker 2>I wish we could. It's probably too late. She's moved

721
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 2>on with her life now. Would be a really good

722
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.480
<v Speaker 2>time to have Leslie on the show. We had her booked,

723
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>but then the fires happened and so it just didn't happen.

724
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.039
<v Speaker 2>And then she went off to do Bachelor in Paradise

725
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:39.239
<v Speaker 2>and was so she's so good. She's like, hey, yeah,

726
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going on, where was it, coach?

727
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but she didn't.

728
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:45.880
<v Speaker 2>She was so good at not saying why. Yeah, she

729
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.599
<v Speaker 2>knew the contract. But I wonder now I think it's

730
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 2>probably I'd love to have her on and see if

731
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.639
<v Speaker 2>we can pick her. She probably won't talk shit about Gary,

732
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:55.920
<v Speaker 2>but I want to see what she says about Teresa,

733
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Like I want I kind of want to see if

734
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.119
<v Speaker 2>we can get her to talk, even.

735
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Even if she didn't like to, even if these people

736
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:08.599
<v Speaker 1>didn't like Teresa. Listen, she won his heart fair and square,

737
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:11.639
<v Speaker 1>Like that's the game. We all talk about it. It's

738
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.719
<v Speaker 1>like they're playing a game, and I mean we were

739
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.480
<v Speaker 1>all surprised by it. I mean I was kind of.

740
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:21.039
<v Speaker 2>He wanted Joan, Joan didn't want him. Joan left, so

741
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:22.880
<v Speaker 2>then he was left with what he didn't really want.

742
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:24.159
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, well, I'll go with the rich one,

743
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I guess, And that's what he did, right, Like all right.

744
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's before we go, let's talk about something happy.

745
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes, please tell us a little bit about yes Hers.

746
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Hers, I'm going to tell you this just from memory,

747
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:46.400
<v Speaker 1>but Hers is a provider of weight loss treatment, specifically

748
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:50.079
<v Speaker 1>golp ones, and they make it affordable, and they make

749
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:53.360
<v Speaker 1>it easy. And you are under twenty four to seven,

750
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:57.159
<v Speaker 1>you have access to them, you can ask questions. It's

751
00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:59.639
<v Speaker 1>really easy to sign up and get it. And let

752
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.000
<v Speaker 1>me tell you it's affordable and a lot porda people

753
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:05.559
<v Speaker 1>are doing these glp ones and it's you don't have

754
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.199
<v Speaker 1>to be like obese to try it. Even if you

755
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:11.039
<v Speaker 1>don't have a ton of weight to lose. Golps can

756
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<v Speaker 1>help you. Tell us how to get them. I'm going

757
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 1>to tell you this. This is also from memory, just

758
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<v Speaker 1>kidding folks.

759
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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, before I get into this, you

760
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<v Speaker 2>can do oral medication and injectibles now, so like you

761
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762
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763
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<v Speaker 2>fuller hair, or find relief for anxiety, Hers has you covered.

764
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765
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766
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<v Speaker 2>O r H e rs dot com slash rose pricks

767
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<v Speaker 2>for Hers dot com slash rose Pricks. Weight Loss by

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<v Speaker 2>Hers is not available everywhere. Compounded drug products are not

769
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:51.960
<v Speaker 2>approved or evaluated for safety, effectiveness, or quality by the FDA.

770
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Prescription required.

771
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:58.119
<v Speaker 2>See website for full details important safety information and restrictions.

772
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Actual price depends on product and plan purchased. But get

773
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.880
<v Speaker 2>up on it, unlike Gary. Gary should not get up

774
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.039
<v Speaker 2>on anyone right now, and he should just maybe work

775
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:08.639
<v Speaker 2>on himself.

776
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I just think, listen, it's it's hard with these shows

777
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 1>because you know a lot most of them don't work out,

778
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>and it is you're on a TV show. And I think,

779
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 1>as we're seeing as mel is making it kind of

780
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:27.079
<v Speaker 1>painfully clear, people do act differently when they're on TV.

781
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.880
<v Speaker 1>They're not really being themselves. They're either not being fully open.

782
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:33.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it tells you a lot that he found

783
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:36.239
<v Speaker 1>out what she did for a living in the fantasy suite.

784
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I know it's insane, and that he decided literally decided

785
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.119
<v Speaker 1>a week before, like, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask

786
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.559
<v Speaker 1>her to marry me. It does seem like you don't

787
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:48.159
<v Speaker 1>know much about a person when most of the time

788
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:52.159
<v Speaker 1>you spend with them is with cameras on you, right, correct,

789
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:57.039
<v Speaker 1>that's all right, I'm saying, sure, there's more to come

790
00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:57.760
<v Speaker 1>on this.

791
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Don't think that we're not going to keep following these

792
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.360
<v Speaker 2>two crazies, although I mean, how much more can there

793
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:06.519
<v Speaker 2>be really with him? But you know, we wish, we

794
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:10.159
<v Speaker 2>wish her well and the East Coast snobbery. Yes, yeah,

795
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Well I'm gonna work on Leslie. I know I've said

796
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:14.960
<v Speaker 2>that for a while, but I think it's time. But

797
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:16.880
<v Speaker 2>now she needs to come on. We need to, like,

798
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:19.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, I want her, Jack and mel I will

799
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:20.800
<v Speaker 2>because we love her so much.

800
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, everybody, bye guys.

801
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:25.800
<v Speaker 2>By h
