Speaker 1: You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
Speaker 1: this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
Speaker 1: you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
Speaker 1: something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
Speaker 1: quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
Speaker 1: So stay with us, all right, pick the Society. You've
Speaker 1: got the privilege of talking to Greg Helton today. Greg
Speaker 1: is out there in the great state of Washington. He's
Speaker 1: a listener of the show and also a few other things.
Speaker 1: He's an Army veteran, a writer, an artist. He's a
Speaker 1: YouTuber as well, and he's had some interesting things happen
Speaker 1: in the Bigfoot subject over the years in a few
Speaker 1: different states. So welcome to the show. Greg. How are
Speaker 1: you doing today, sir?
Speaker 2: Pretty good. It's a nice, beautiful morning up here.
Speaker 3: Finally, normally it's nice and great and overcast it and rainy,
Speaker 3: but it's actually sunny in shiny today.
Speaker 1: That is great, And yeah, that's probably when you get
Speaker 1: those days out there in the Pacific now northwest. You
Speaker 1: want to definitely not taken for granted. We're thankful that
Speaker 1: you're choosing to spend us some time with us today
Speaker 1: here on the show. But I know a little bit
Speaker 1: about your accounts, and from what I know, Greg, they
Speaker 1: sound extremely interesting. I'd like to make the best use
Speaker 1: of our time today. Feel free to take us back
Speaker 1: to when this whole deal started for you. What was
Speaker 1: the first thing that you had experienced.
Speaker 3: My first experience, I was ten years old and I
Speaker 3: was living in a.
Speaker 2: Little town called Manitou Springs.
Speaker 3: Colorado, a beautiful little town right nestled it right at
Speaker 3: the rocky Mountains No. One Mountain from Pike's Peak, and
Speaker 3: there's a canyon called Williams Canyon. And if you google
Speaker 3: YouTube tear Doctor Rights, that's the video.
Speaker 2: That's the canyon that they swing over. But I was
Speaker 2: ten years old and.
Speaker 3: My mom let me climb all over the mountain as
Speaker 3: long as I wasn't causing trouble in the streets. So
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there climbing along and was up in the
Speaker 3: Williams Canyon and I was grabbing slate rock and throwing
Speaker 3: them down off one of the cliffs. Didn't really think
Speaker 3: about it until the third rock I threw down because
Speaker 3: there was a movement to my left and the purple
Speaker 3: vision and I look over and there's.
Speaker 4: A young slender I'm thinking maybe six foot tall female sasquatch,
Speaker 4: holding like an infant, right or one or two year old.
Speaker 2: And she's trying to push him up into one of.
Speaker 3: These caves so they they're out of the way of
Speaker 3: having rocks chucked on doom.
Speaker 2: And it tripped me out because I.
Speaker 3: Seen the legend of Boggy Creek when I was a
Speaker 3: little kid, and so instantly recognized what they were.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my gosh. And then to
Speaker 2: my right and I'm like.
Speaker 3: Hit deep in the bushes basically, and to my right
Speaker 3: these bushes started shaking violently. Now, knowing animals growing up
Speaker 3: in Colorado and learning all the animals over there, I
Speaker 3: know no animals shakes bushes just to shake a bush.
Speaker 3: Only two things do that. That'd be a human or
Speaker 3: a primate, and that's to scare the.
Speaker 2: Heck out of you.
Speaker 3: So that was pretty intense. Right there and I ran away.
Speaker 3: I was ten years old.
Speaker 2: And then the next sighting was a few years later,
Speaker 2: and me and my two buddies, Greg Godell Piano and
Speaker 2: Sean Flanagan decided.
Speaker 3: We were going to go camping for the night right
Speaker 3: and were we packed up our stuff and we hiked
Speaker 3: along Bar Trail, which is at the southwest end of
Speaker 3: Manitou Springs and it's there's like a train track that
Speaker 3: goes up to the top of Pike's Peak called the
Speaker 3: cog Railway, and we basically camped right near there. There
Speaker 3: we found this little pool that's by about six feet deep.
Speaker 3: It's because there's a natural creek running down the area
Speaker 3: that we were camping at.
Speaker 2: And we were sitting there as a couple.
Speaker 3: Of kids and talking talking about girls and stuff like
Speaker 3: that got really dark and late at night, and so
Speaker 3: we decided to go to bed right now. We only
Speaker 3: had one of the little pup tents that you have
Speaker 3: that was triangular, not the kind that are now that
Speaker 3: are domed everywhere, and so it was Greg on the right,
Speaker 3: Sean on the left, and I was in the middle,
Speaker 3: and we had left the zipper opened right so air
Speaker 3: can flow through, and we won't get chiseled by do
Speaker 3: and the.
Speaker 2: Fire had died down, and then.
Speaker 3: The fire got rekindled, and that's what woke me up.
Speaker 2: And I looked down at my feet and there's this
Speaker 2: huge shadow.
Speaker 3: Covering the entire tent right And I looked down and
Speaker 3: there's these two gigantic harry legs between us and the campfire.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh gosh, And I knew they
Speaker 3: weren't bears of bear legs, because bears are love study
Speaker 3: little things. And I shook my two friends awake and
Speaker 3: then put my hands over their mouths because one of
Speaker 3: them made a sound, and the legs turned and we
Speaker 3: were all three laying down. The next thing I know,
Speaker 3: it's about eleven in the morning, dish, so it's been
Speaker 3: several hours, and we all three were in the sitting
Speaker 3: position with our backs pressed against the tent. So the
Speaker 3: only thing I'm thinking is the asquatch probably looked into
Speaker 3: the tent, scared us to death, and we all just fainted.
Speaker 3: I got out of the tent by f Greg got
Speaker 3: out of the tent, and he was.
Speaker 2: So anxious to just get out of the area.
Speaker 3: He was like throwing stuff all together. My friend Sean
Speaker 3: he wouldn't even get out of the tent. He was
Speaker 3: that terrified and that we had to basically drag the
Speaker 3: tent off of him. And Sean was from New York
Speaker 3: City and his parents. His mom sent him to his
Speaker 3: dad in Colorado to get him away from all the
Speaker 3: gangs in the nineteen eighties. And basically the next day
Speaker 3: I go to see Sean.
Speaker 2: To talk about it, and his dad had.
Speaker 3: To send him home to New York City because Sean
Speaker 3: thought it would be safer to be in New York
Speaker 3: City than in Colorado with the Bigfoot and my friend Greg.
Speaker 3: He literally refused to talk about it. He was that terrified.
Speaker 3: I did have one possible encounter when I was a
Speaker 3: teen in.
Speaker 2: The same city. I don't know if it was actually
Speaker 2: a Sasquatch or not, because what I did not.
Speaker 3: See was solid black And I'm walking a girl home
Speaker 3: up in Crystal Hills, and as I'm walking back home,
Speaker 3: there's this large I think it was a Rottweiler, right,
Speaker 3: and he's not on a leash, and I think he's
Speaker 3: like on his way home or something, and he sees
Speaker 3: me but doesn't even worry about me, right, And then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden he goes out of the street
Speaker 3: light land from under the street light, and he looks
Speaker 3: to his right and freaks out, and he goes running
Speaker 3: and hides behind me. And I was just like, and
Speaker 3: I heard a sun shuffle. So we do have black bears,
Speaker 3: but generally when a dog sees a black bear, they
Speaker 3: start barking. When the sasquatches come around, a lot of
Speaker 3: dogs just freaking shut up and run away. Okay, then
Speaker 3: we'll go to That was my Colorado incidences. Then I
Speaker 3: went to the Army, and then I moved to Oregon
Speaker 3: shortly afterwards, and I was up in the Regency apartments
Speaker 3: up by COCC Central Oregon Community College, and I was
Speaker 3: with a friend and we see this large mass walking
Speaker 3: across like our window.
Speaker 2: And that was like one of the things.
Speaker 3: So it looked like a sasquatch in the shadow, but
Speaker 3: it didn't make a sound, and where its head would
Speaker 3: be would have had it been about eight feet high
Speaker 3: from where we were and the wind how far the
Speaker 3: window is off the ground. But most of my sightings
Speaker 3: were over on the western side of Oregon. Most of
Speaker 3: them were actually in Lane County. One of them, I
Speaker 3: was driving home from a friend of mine's house in Marcola,
Speaker 3: and they actually have a big history of sasquatches walking
Speaker 3: through the creeks in their town, really tiny world town.
Speaker 3: And I'm driving home and it's twilight and I see something.
Speaker 3: For some reason, my brain thought it was a broken
Speaker 3: telephone pole because it was half the size of the
Speaker 3: actual telephone pole, so it wasn't the fifty foot telephone poles.
Speaker 2: This one was probably about.
Speaker 3: Twenty five hit the most, and I'm like, oh, they
Speaker 3: replace a telephone pole. And that was What's stuck in
Speaker 3: my head for a split second. As I'm driving past,
Speaker 3: I realized it wasn't the telephone pole. It was a
Speaker 3: sasquatch just standing there quietly waiting for a few cars
Speaker 3: to pass by before it walks across the road.
Speaker 2: And as it passed.
Speaker 3: My behind my van, I look behind over my left
Speaker 3: shoulder and I see it walking up to the spob
Speaker 3: wire fence. And I went there the day afterwards, and
Speaker 3: the bob wire fences like up to my hip and
Speaker 3: I'm six to one and this bob wire fence was
Speaker 3: at its knees, that's.
Speaker 2: How big it was. It just stepped over like it.
Speaker 3: Was nothing and just kept going and that was a freaky,
Speaker 3: freaky one on my point because that because it was
Speaker 3: only just a few miles from Springfield, Oregon, it was
Speaker 3: really weird. Then I was up in Shock or the
Speaker 3: Shotgun Creek area of the Wirehouser Tree farm area, which
Speaker 3: is right by Marcolo, and I just witnessed or watched
Speaker 3: and investigated this bronco had been.
Speaker 2: Overturned in this area.
Speaker 3: And I went through that area several times, and the
Speaker 3: bronco had been flipped off the road, like something came
Speaker 3: to the side of it and flipped it off the rope.
Speaker 3: And when I investigated the first time, the window looked
Speaker 3: like someone had put a shotgun up to the windshield
Speaker 3: from the end. I fired out, and this thing had
Speaker 3: been rolled off the thing because the way the tracks were,
Speaker 3: you could just see the pivots in the dirt where
Speaker 3: something just flip the truck off the road.
Speaker 2: And I go back there a couple days later, and
Speaker 2: now that bronco is another one hundred yards into the
Speaker 2: woods and had been flipped over a a three foot
Speaker 2: thick fallen tree.
Speaker 3: So that freaked me out a little bit, but I
Speaker 3: kept going. And so I go to this one area
Speaker 3: and I was just like, Okay, this is a good area.
Speaker 3: I see some trees here, there's a fallen tree over here.
Speaker 3: I'm going to put up an apple trap. And something
Speaker 3: just told me this was like a really good spot.
Speaker 3: And this happened almost every time I had my sasquatch
Speaker 3: experiences in Oregon.
Speaker 2: And so I noticed as I got out that.
Speaker 3: There was these large footsteps imprints in the grass going
Speaker 3: from the clearing where I was to where the fallen
Speaker 3: tree was right and I had a hop from one
Speaker 3: step to the other, and it looked like something had
Speaker 3: literally broke a lot of the branches off underneath and
Speaker 3: slept there. And I was just like, wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: So I go over to the other area where to
Speaker 3: go have my apple trap.
Speaker 2: Between these trees. One of them is a really large.
Speaker 3: Pine tree, I think it's like a ponderosa pine tree,
Speaker 3: and the other there was another one, and then there
Speaker 3: was a smaller pine tree that was just covered in
Speaker 3: moss and it was surrounded by manzanita bushes.
Speaker 2: But when I walked under there, there.
Speaker 3: Was a ton of baby pine netals branches. Someone went
Speaker 3: to another pine tree and broke these off because the
Speaker 3: pine netals are really soft and had laid them out
Speaker 3: like a Mattie right, and you could see in the
Speaker 3: impressions that there were two small, all humanoid impressions and
Speaker 3: two large impressions, all like in the fetal position. Now, Dear,
Speaker 3: don't do that. Dear, won't collect stuff and put it
Speaker 3: down into a nest. The only thing I know that
Speaker 3: does that is large primates. I took a few pictures,
Speaker 3: but the camera I had was like everything was blurry
Speaker 3: because it was a horrible piece of junk camera. But
Speaker 3: so I went and started doing the apple trap just
Speaker 3: to the south of that tree where the other two were,
Speaker 3: and I was hearing a stifled breathing.
Speaker 2: It was really heavy.
Speaker 3: And it's like when you're hiding and playing hide and
Speaker 3: seek when you're a kid and your friends are right
Speaker 3: next to you, so you're trying to breathe.
Speaker 2: You're excited, but you're trying to stifle it.
Speaker 3: And I was just like, I finished the apple trap,
Speaker 3: and then I walked.
Speaker 2: Off to go to my camera or my car to get.
Speaker 3: A camera, right, and this time I bought just one
Speaker 3: of the little clicky throwaway cameras because I wanted to
Speaker 3: see what was up in that tree.
Speaker 2: And I knew.
Speaker 3: I was thinking there's probably a sasquatch or at least
Speaker 3: a black bear. And I see this dough prancing, literally
Speaker 3: prancing the beautiful days. She's doing the whole peppy of
Speaker 3: the pew skunk prancing thing, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm going to take a picture of this really quickly,
Speaker 3: and she freezes and looks at me because I'm in.
Speaker 2: My army camouflage fatigues.
Speaker 3: And she looks down at my hands and notice there's
Speaker 3: no gun or boat or anything like that, just a camera.
Speaker 3: And I think she's seen enough hunters to recognize I
Speaker 3: wasn't the threat. And she starts prancing around the same
Speaker 3: trees I was just at and I go around to
Speaker 3: get a better picture of her, and just as I
Speaker 3: was about to click the photo, she looks up to
Speaker 3: the tree where the breathing was coming from. She stopped
Speaker 3: dead in her tracks, looked up, her eyes just went wide,
Speaker 3: and she dropped her ears, spun her and then bolted.
Speaker 3: She's looking back at what's up in that tree and
Speaker 3: not knowing what she's running at. She was that terrified,
Speaker 3: and she was running at me, and I had to
Speaker 3: jump out of the way, so I wouldn't get pulled
Speaker 3: over by a dough.
Speaker 2: And as soon as I looked when she was running,
Speaker 2: I hear this bo I mean, something like seven eight
Speaker 2: hundred pounds just fell out of the tree and landed
Speaker 2: on the ground. And I turned and I see this
Speaker 2: thing just drop behind the hill.
Speaker 3: And I raced to the hill because it's a large
Speaker 3: slope that goes down about seventy yards and then there's
Speaker 3: and there's just nothing but like fern bushes, and then
Speaker 3: there's the tree line, and most of the trees right
Speaker 3: at that area are about ten fifteen foot tall saplings,
Speaker 3: pine trees, and all of a sudden, and when I
Speaker 3: got there, I looked up to the tree line and
Speaker 3: I see this big black mass that as tall as
Speaker 3: those trees barreling into them. And it wasn't a bear
Speaker 3: because it wasn't on a time on its fore legs,
Speaker 3: because that's how bears run. And this thing was fully upright,
Speaker 3: and its shoulders had to.
Speaker 2: Be oh geez, at least four feet wide.
Speaker 3: At the most, or not the most, but just at
Speaker 3: least that this thing was massively cute. That was one
Speaker 3: of the other encounters I had, which was pretty trippy
Speaker 3: in my point of view about a quarter mile to
Speaker 3: the south of that. Me and my son at that
Speaker 3: time were I was explaining how to do some tracking
Speaker 3: here and there and stuff, and showing them what kind
Speaker 3: of bushes and what kind of things plants that are
Speaker 3: around that Deer would he eat, bears would eat stuff
Speaker 3: like that, And this area has been known for also.
Speaker 2: People shooting guns.
Speaker 3: And we hear this gun shot right and I was
Speaker 3: just like, what the heck was that? And then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, from the tree behind us, we hear
Speaker 3: this foo foom boom running away from us. And I
Speaker 3: was with my son and I was like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to go chase the sasquatch because I knew
Speaker 3: it was probably one, but he was young enough I
Speaker 3: still didn't want to do anything. So that was one
Speaker 3: of the possible encounters. A year or so later, he
Speaker 3: got older, he had a friend, so I took them
Speaker 3: down to the see I think it was the Blue
Speaker 3: School Mountain area.
Speaker 2: It's now no longer dense tree land and stuff. It's
Speaker 2: overgrown with houses and stuff.
Speaker 3: And I took them to this area to teach them
Speaker 3: how to track animals.
Speaker 2: And as we're going along.
Speaker 3: I'm explaining, if you guys see bears, don't overreact get
Speaker 3: near me, blah blah blah. You see elk or beer,
Speaker 3: don't piss off the buck because they will stomp on you.
Speaker 3: And let's see if there's a sasquatch, do not screaming.
Speaker 2: Point right.
Speaker 3: I iterated that to him so much, and I left
Speaker 3: a big pile of dried cranberries near our van just
Speaker 3: so I could possibly get some footsteps or footprints and stuff.
Speaker 3: And we walked off and then we're coming back an
Speaker 3: hour later. And I just felt there was a like
Speaker 3: this presence around us that when I go camping, I
Speaker 3: don't carry guns. I usually carry a sword and a teaser, right,
Speaker 3: because with the taser you could clack it in the air.
Speaker 3: And I've driven bears away from me instantly with those
Speaker 3: things because they can feel the electricity in the air
Speaker 3: and everything knows.
Speaker 2: What lightning is, and they run away. And so I
Speaker 2: pulled out my sword and I started walking ahead to
Speaker 2: make sure the coast was clear. And that's when I
Speaker 2: hear my son's friend Russell greg there.
Speaker 3: Is any points and I'm seeing this black mass disappeared
Speaker 3: into this sappening, right, and this thing is at least
Speaker 3: eight feet high, and for I do not know what
Speaker 3: came over me, but I just.
Speaker 2: Charged right at it.
Speaker 3: It was instant chasing this thing because it was near
Speaker 3: my kid, and the parental instinct just kicked in right,
Speaker 3: So I went charging in and I realized after about
Speaker 3: twenty feet in that, oh god, I just left my
Speaker 3: son on the road back there, the little dirt road.
Speaker 3: And I look behind me and here he is right
Speaker 3: on my butt when he has this camping knife I
Speaker 3: got him. That's like about eighteen inches long.
Speaker 2: That of the blade is that was like a scimitar sheet.
Speaker 2: He has that thing out like a swordies chasing me,
Speaker 2: and he.
Speaker 3: Told me if anything would have attacked me, he would
Speaker 3: have just instantly came in at it.
Speaker 2: So I thought that was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: But we I break through the tree line and there's
Speaker 3: a ditch running alongside the road where like when water
Speaker 3: runoff goes, that's the way it goes. And it's about
Speaker 3: a twenty foot distance from where I was to the
Speaker 3: actual road, and I look over and I could see
Speaker 3: that something had literally landed like two gigantic feet like
Speaker 3: a broad like when you're doing.
Speaker 2: The running jumps in track. It just two feet landed
Speaker 2: and the dirt was still going and I can hear
Speaker 2: it off into the bushes. That was another sighting.
Speaker 3: Then there was one where I got word from some
Speaker 3: people about the guy and his buddies used to go
Speaker 3: hunting in a certain area until a bunch of sasquatches
Speaker 3: scared him out of the area.
Speaker 2: And these guys go bear hunting all the time. So
Speaker 2: it's just okay, awesome, I'm going to go that way.
Speaker 3: So I take these young eighteen year old kids with me,
Speaker 3: and I was like teaching them about all sorts of things,
Speaker 3: and we went up found like this fallen true that
Speaker 3: was like an island inside these like thirty foot deep
Speaker 3: BlackBerry bushes. Anyways, there was like about eight deer that
Speaker 3: looked like they've been dismembered, the bones not on, and
Speaker 3: they were in different stages of decomposition, right, and so
Speaker 3: we're like, oh, that's pretty trippy. So I grabbed a
Speaker 3: couple of bones to take to a biologist. And then
Speaker 3: on our way back, right, we hear this thumping sound
Speaker 3: because we're actually on a concrete road of forest road,
Speaker 3: and there's a hill to the right of us, like
Speaker 3: a berm about oh, twenty five feet high, and I
Speaker 3: can hear something paralleling us, and these are large bipedal footsteps.
Speaker 2: So I pulled the guys to stop for a second.
Speaker 2: There's stop.
Speaker 3: We kept walking, then stop the footsteps stop. So that
Speaker 3: kept on for a while until we got to the car.
Speaker 3: And then everybody's taking their cigarette break and I have
Speaker 3: my video camera and I'm filming this huge clearing that
Speaker 3: they had just tree cutted a couple of weeks early.
Speaker 3: And I looked down and apparently there was a young sasquatch,
Speaker 3: probably fifteen years old, like kicking back behind one of
Speaker 3: these stumps, using it as like a pillow, and it
Speaker 3: got up until and peered over the stump to see
Speaker 3: what was all the noise.
Speaker 2: Because apparently a lot of these creatures have no clue
Speaker 2: what a human is. It freaks them out just as
Speaker 2: much as it does us, and it sees us. And
Speaker 2: I was just like, I turn around and I go, okay, guys,
Speaker 2: don't freak out. Don't look all over the place. But
Speaker 2: there's a sasquatch behind that stump. And they all looked,
Speaker 2: and when I look, it's no longer there.
Speaker 3: We went down there, and it's no longer there, so
Speaker 3: it must have probably linked off and bolted or something
Speaker 3: because it was gone. It was like a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks later, I took those same guys and girl to
Speaker 3: just a couple of miles south of Odell Lake in Oregon.
Speaker 3: So it's say about thirty miles east of where we
Speaker 3: were at Myrtle Point. And so I'm teaching them more
Speaker 3: about tracking and stuff, and there was like this big
Speaker 3: termite raiding log just sitting there, and so I wanted
Speaker 3: to explain to them how like a sasquatch would get
Speaker 3: at the termites comparedtive to a bear, Right, I'd say
Speaker 3: a bear would just rip open the thing with its
Speaker 3: claws and then just lick up the termites as it goes,
Speaker 3: where a sasquatch would probably rip out a chunk with
Speaker 3: its hands and then use sticks to lure them on
Speaker 3: and then eat them.
Speaker 2: And as in then I'm explaining.
Speaker 3: The tree fall, like all those people who have this
Speaker 3: is a bigfoot home, that's just natural tree fall. I've
Speaker 3: seen it so many times and they're not actual sasquatch ones, okay,
Speaker 3: And I'm like explaining how like the differences of markings
Speaker 3: and like how you could tell that one sasquatch had
Speaker 3: went through and was smashing down trees on one area
Speaker 3: compared to it to the rest, we're all natural tree
Speaker 3: fall and weathering and winter had waited. And we hear
Speaker 3: this behind us, and I turned and looked, and there's
Speaker 3: this about three and a half foot sasquatch standing there
Speaker 3: in these mans Anita bushes, just looking at it.
Speaker 2: It's like completely oblivious to what we were and he's
Speaker 2: completely curious.
Speaker 3: And I was like, guys, and they all look too,
Speaker 3: and it realized we were staring at it, and it
Speaker 3: doved and dived, but it squatted behind the bushes, and
Speaker 3: as a little.
Speaker 2: Kid, it's still curious and it still wanted to see
Speaker 2: what was going on.
Speaker 3: So it was kind of like peeking over the top
Speaker 3: of the bushes, but we could still see the top
Speaker 3: of its head easily. And then one of the guys, Noah,
Speaker 3: did the old stupid thing from the Ghostbusters movie, the
Speaker 3: original where they yells.
Speaker 2: Get it to the ghost. That's what he tries to
Speaker 2: do to this creature. Now yells out the large whooping sound,
Speaker 2: really loud for such a little creature, and that's when
Speaker 2: we hear this thump coming over the hill side, and
Speaker 2: I realized that as a pissed off parent, and we
Speaker 2: are all going to die.
Speaker 3: So I grabbed the guys and just started throwing them
Speaker 3: basically towards the car in the same run, because that's
Speaker 3: the last thing I wanted to be able to explain
Speaker 3: to a shriver. Yeah, they got stopped by a bigfoot.
Speaker 3: We all ran down to the car, got into Bronco,
Speaker 3: and then drobble. So they were explaining how heavy the
Speaker 3: footsteps were. The rest of the people where we lived.
Speaker 3: And the fat guy that was with.
Speaker 2: Us, he's I could got four hundred pounds, and he
Speaker 2: was amazing how fast he ran. I will tell you
Speaker 2: that right now.
Speaker 3: But he's trying to like jump up and stomp up
Speaker 3: and down and stuff like that, and he didn't even
Speaker 3: get close to the sound of the weight. Then one
Speaker 3: of the other incidents is I had I was going
Speaker 3: out and I was going on my way to investigate
Speaker 3: another bigfoot site.
Speaker 2: And I had to stop and urinate.
Speaker 3: So I was driving along and I see this little
Speaker 3: clearing in the trees right alongside the road, and I
Speaker 3: got pulled my Bronco off the road and this is
Speaker 3: like a dirt forest road and there's a little outcropping
Speaker 3: cliff right there.
Speaker 2: And I was like, Okay, I'll just pee off the cliff,
Speaker 2: no big deal. And so I decided as I started to.
Speaker 3: Urinate, and the cliff is probably about fifteen feet down,
Speaker 3: and then it's a slope, a good sixty degree slope
Speaker 3: for another one hundred and fifty yards, and then it's
Speaker 3: another forestry clearing where they had cleared out the logs
Speaker 3: and trees and stuff.
Speaker 2: And as soon as I started peeing, I goes literally
Speaker 2: that was the sound, and I'm like, oh, I think
Speaker 2: I peede on something. And I looked down and here's
Speaker 2: this sasquatch, all pissed off and looking at me like
Speaker 2: you just peed on me.
Speaker 3: And we then it only it was like just a
Speaker 3: split second, and then we both realized what we were
Speaker 3: looking at. And the creature, the sasquatch, forced himself against
Speaker 3: the cliffs so he couldn't be seen. And I'm sitting
Speaker 3: there and I basically just stopped urinating of what just happened,
Speaker 3: and I moved to the left, and like I said,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like an outcropping and it sees me
Speaker 3: and it shone over to the right side and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I gotta go get my video camera. And that's when
Speaker 3: I started hearing the loud whooping sound. And I looked
Speaker 3: to my right or my left as I turned to
Speaker 3: go get my camera, and here's another sasquatch running.
Speaker 2: Up the hill.
Speaker 3: And this one is a very slender one, probably about
Speaker 3: five feet tall i'd say maybe two hundred pounds right.
Speaker 3: And I know it's not the one down below the
Speaker 3: cliff because I just had.
Speaker 2: Turned and I was running towards the car.
Speaker 3: Realized that I had not finished taking care of myself,
Speaker 3: so I had to do that really fast.
Speaker 2: And that's when I hear this sounded like King Kong
Speaker 2: running down the mountain side towards me in my vehicle,
Speaker 2: and it was like no roaring or anything, just stomping
Speaker 2: and smashing trees. And I was like freaking out and
Speaker 2: I drove away. That one was a very intensive experience
Speaker 2: on that one, okay, and then what was that other one?
Speaker 2: Talking about those.
Speaker 3: Ones just made me forget that last one. But anyways,
Speaker 3: is there any questions you got?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, My goodness, Craig, that's some amazing accounts.
Speaker 2: And that's not even the other paranormal stuff I had
Speaker 2: to deal with.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely sure that there's other stuff. If you're experiencing
Speaker 1: this stuff on the big foot side, there's probably a
Speaker 1: lot of other stuff too. When you had your ten
Speaker 1: year old experience, what year was that? Approximately nineteen eighty?
Speaker 2: Okay, cool?
Speaker 1: Great about your your experience with you and your buddies
Speaker 1: Greg and Sean. Have you or them ever gone through
Speaker 1: any hypnosis to try to unlock what happened that night?
Speaker 3: No? Actually I never have, but I've been wanting to
Speaker 3: think of it. I was like trying to think about
Speaker 3: maybe I should.
Speaker 2: But as I think about it now, I think I
Speaker 2: know what had happened.
Speaker 3: But I actually have not gone through hypno's therapy to
Speaker 3: get the memories unlocked.
Speaker 2: Gotcha?
Speaker 1: Have you talked to either of those friends later on
Speaker 1: in life as adults.
Speaker 3: No. I lost contact with Sean as soon as he
Speaker 3: left Colorado because I was a young boy and his
Speaker 3: dad was so upset with us.
Speaker 2: Or drew guards to him.
Speaker 3: He demanded to go back home immediately, and I was
Speaker 3: just like, I tried to explain him to him what happened,
Speaker 3: and he basically took it like a grain of salt.
Speaker 3: He was just like, Okay, and then Greg his family
Speaker 3: had left Colorado for a few years. He came back
Speaker 3: when I was like about sixteen, and then I tried
Speaker 3: to talk to him about it, and he's like looking
Speaker 3: at me like he's upset, pissed off.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you need. I don't want to
Speaker 2: talk about that kind of attitude.
Speaker 3: I just dropped it from there, and that was with him,
Speaker 3: and then I lost contact with him when I was
Speaker 3: about seventeen because his family moved out of Colorado again.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, when you were walking that girl home? Was that
Speaker 1: on Crystal Hill Boulevard in Manitou Springs.
Speaker 2: I think so it was. Let's see, it was a
Speaker 2: very dimly lit. It was like it was the one
Speaker 2: main road.
Speaker 3: That kind of went up and I was about half
Speaker 3: mile to a quarter mile up the hill from when
Speaker 3: it turned off from Manitou Springs Boulevard.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Yeah, because if you look at a map of it,
Speaker 1: it looks like that one road goes right up into
Speaker 1: the woods and there's even a trailhead at the end
Speaker 1: of it where.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there, it goes all the way up. And we've
Speaker 2: been up to some of the cabins that are up there,
Speaker 2: and if I remember there was a pond up there,
Speaker 2: and this is all before the actual trailheads and stuff.
Speaker 3: Man two has definitely changed a lot since I was
Speaker 3: last there. It's just some many of the things I
Speaker 3: grew up with aren't there anymore, or buildings now cover
Speaker 3: up half the mountain and just so I'm just like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: Like the cog railway's gone, but they left.
Speaker 2: The stairway nice.
Speaker 1: That's weird. What campus specifically of Central Oregon Community College was.
Speaker 2: That it was the one in West Bend.
Speaker 3: So there's a city called Bend, Oregon, and it was
Speaker 3: on the western side of it, and at that point
Speaker 3: in time, that was the west of the city. There
Speaker 3: was no buildings or houses west of that. Now there's
Speaker 3: all sorts of communities out there.
Speaker 2: It just ease, but it was.
Speaker 3: We just called it it was the Central Oregon Community College.
Speaker 3: But it's I think there was a circle k you
Speaker 3: went off of what was that road, Oh, not Kingston Newton.
Speaker 3: I think it started with an N. But you drive
Speaker 3: down that road and there was a circle k, and
Speaker 3: then you took a right and it's a road that
Speaker 3: goes up a hill and then that's where the community
Speaker 3: of college was and you went through the college area
Speaker 3: on that one road and there was an apartment complex
Speaker 3: called the Regency Apartments.
Speaker 2: And that's where me and my friend lived.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? And what year would that have been approximately?
Speaker 2: That was I think nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: Eight, gotcha? Okay. Then we mentioned Marcola for quite a bit,
Speaker 1: which has come up on the show at least once.
Speaker 1: So I talked to a older into visual about he
Speaker 1: had similar things happen. So everything that you mentioned about Marcola,
Speaker 1: I was like, Yeah, this totally tracks. It's out in
Speaker 1: the sticks right north of Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I was Yeah, when I was out there, it's
Speaker 2: like northeast or northeast by east of Eugene Springfield about
Speaker 2: I think it's fifteen miles or something like that. It
Speaker 2: takes you a while to drive out there.
Speaker 3: And like I used to talk to my friend and
Speaker 3: their neighbors, their dogs would be barking and barking because
Speaker 3: they'd hear something in the creek.
Speaker 2: And when it gets closer, the barking stops and then
Speaker 2: the whining starts.
Speaker 3: And we had one evening where me and my friend
Speaker 3: are in his house and we're talking and he has
Speaker 3: to take his pit pull outside because the dog is.
Speaker 2: Not well human trained at all.
Speaker 3: It'll tear up dogs, it'll tear up a bear, It'll
Speaker 3: tear up humans if it can. They trained it to
Speaker 3: be literally a hyper aggressive attack dog. So when we
Speaker 3: come over, he has to go put it in its cage.
Speaker 3: It's not like a small pen. It's like a fifteenth
Speaker 3: by fifteen foot fence that's about ten feet high, right,
Speaker 3: just chain link fence. And we're sitting there watching the show,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you hearing all the dogs
Speaker 3: start barking right, and then all of a sudden, you
Speaker 3: hear his dog barking and then instantly goes to a
Speaker 3: like a yelping whine, like he is terrified. And next
Speaker 3: thing you know, as you hear in him trying to
Speaker 3: scramble over the chain link fence, and then we hear
Speaker 3: the stump and then he's scratching at the door, so
Speaker 3: he was terrified. I did have one other encounter down
Speaker 3: in Phoenix, or not Phoenix, but a cave creek, Oregon.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a sasquatch or not.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of weird paranormal areas that were down
Speaker 2: in the area. And me and two other friends.
Speaker 3: Our forefronts were actually there's me, Tim and Jason, and
Speaker 3: we were down at the base of this thing called
Speaker 3: what was that canyon called Christopher Creek I think is
Speaker 3: what the actual creek was, because there was all these
Speaker 3: waterfalls that you can do, you can cliff jump off
Speaker 3: and stuff, and that's why we go there. And we
Speaker 3: were camping in one area by there and he, my
Speaker 3: friend Tim, the second Tim actually had about a two
Speaker 3: hundred pounds show. Now, this dog was not afraid of anything.
Speaker 3: He would go after habilinez, he go after anything, and
Speaker 3: he was a big tough dog. We're sitting all in
Speaker 3: the tent talking and stuff, and next saying we know
Speaker 3: we hear this kind of like thumping sound around the tent,
Speaker 3: but it was in the good distance away, and that's
Speaker 3: when the chow just busts right through the tent and
Speaker 3: starts hiding behind his master, trembling and whining.
Speaker 2: So that was it for that one. But continue with
Speaker 2: your questions.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting because before you brought that up, literally
Speaker 1: like half a second or half a minute, I had
Speaker 1: written down ask about Green Peter Reservoir, which is in
Speaker 1: the same area, but that it's further.
Speaker 2: Out than Green Peter in Arizona.
Speaker 1: No, you were talking about Were you talking about Cave
Speaker 1: Creek Organ.
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Oh, you were talking about Cave Creek, Arizona.
Speaker 3: No, Crystal Creek, Arizona. It's a creek in by paysin Arizona.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 3: So if you drive up from Phoenix and you go
Speaker 3: to Payson, there's a main road you take right going
Speaker 3: east and it takes you east and then there's a
Speaker 3: road like it was a dirt road that take you
Speaker 3: off and down into the mountains or down to the creek.
Speaker 3: But now and you look at the maps, it's kind
Speaker 3: of filled with houses and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. So that's actually closer to the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 3: It looks like, I show, don't know, let's see where
Speaker 3: was Grand Canyon compared to Phoenix, because it's like you
Speaker 3: go up out of the actual because if you've ever
Speaker 3: been to Arizona, right, you got the mountain green mountains
Speaker 3: like thing, and then it just you go to this
Speaker 3: edge and it literally looks like the mountain the land
Speaker 3: has dropped a few thousand feet, like just sheer cliffs.
Speaker 2: All the way down.
Speaker 3: You go for miles and miles and then that's where
Speaker 3: the Desert of Phoenix and all that stuff is interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, very cool, very cool. Let me see here. Okay,
Speaker 1: the question I had put down about Marcola is you
Speaker 1: had mentioned there was a history of other people in
Speaker 1: the town seeing sasquatch. Yes, Are there other things then
Speaker 1: that you've heard about experiences in that area?
Speaker 2: No, not really.
Speaker 3: I've heard of the just the Sasquatches from a few
Speaker 3: of the people I've talked to, and they're like, my friend.
Speaker 2: Over here, they saw one crossing their yard and that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: But I mainly was going out there to pick him
Speaker 3: up and then going up down up to the wirehouserd
Speaker 3: Tree Farm, which is the Shotgun Creek area of Oregon
Speaker 3: up by Marcola, to go do my experiments in my
Speaker 3: walking around and all that stuff in research, because like me,
Speaker 3: I was a big fan of Jane Goodall.
Speaker 2: I watched all the documentary's writer books, and the one
Speaker 2: thing that was persistently there was her persistently going into
Speaker 2: areas before she even got to know any of the
Speaker 2: chimps and just sit there and watched and listened.
Speaker 3: And then the chimps started coming around because they grew
Speaker 3: call and confident with her presence that she wasn't a threat.
Speaker 3: And that's basically what I kept going up there for
Speaker 3: was to make sure that I was at a calm
Speaker 3: presence and stuff I'd bring up, like a radio with
Speaker 3: Didi do music, different kinds of musics to try to
Speaker 3: lure animals out. And the one that lured deer out
Speaker 3: left and right was bagpipe music. Don't ask me why,
Speaker 3: just remember played the bagpipe music and within twenty minutes,
Speaker 3: just like I heard of deer coming up.
Speaker 2: What does that sound out here? And it's just I
Speaker 2: wonder if they're like thinking, Hey, that's cousin, Jed, that's funny.
Speaker 1: How long do you think it took, let's say, using
Speaker 1: that that Jane Goodall method of just hanging out in
Speaker 1: an area before you started to have some activity, if any.
Speaker 2: Most of them were me just driving up into that
Speaker 2: area and over again. And the spread of the areas
Speaker 2: themselves I would say was probably a few square miles.
Speaker 2: But they were like different, I mean, they had to
Speaker 2: be different sasquatches because the size and the proportions of them,
Speaker 2: what they looked like.
Speaker 3: Oh there was one other sighting that I did forget
Speaker 3: to mention and that was the day I saw another one,
Speaker 3: but this one was so fast. It was incredibly fast,
Speaker 3: and I had camouflage my bronco, like with Army Camo.
Speaker 3: And I'm driving up the road and there's.
Speaker 2: This sasquatch sitting on the side of the road.
Speaker 3: And it's like a three foot burm that he's on
Speaker 3: and he's looking at an area where you can see
Speaker 3: it's a large deer trail. The herds go up and down,
Speaker 3: and he looks over and he sees my bronco because
Speaker 3: it's out of the movement of his eye, and he
Speaker 3: basically didn't think about it because I had camouflage. All
Speaker 3: the chrome, the bumpers, everything was Army camo, not the
Speaker 3: new single digital camouflage, but the old green brown, tan
Speaker 3: light green loam, that kind of painting. And I've actually
Speaker 3: drove it up to were deer in the road and
Speaker 3: they just stop and there like looking at me, and
Speaker 3: then they see me as a human and then they
Speaker 3: run off. But he just kind of took one look,
Speaker 3: didn't think about it for about a second and a half,
Speaker 3: and then he looked and noticing that.
Speaker 2: The bushes driving up the road, and that's when he
Speaker 2: got up and took off.
Speaker 3: And ran, and he must have did one hundred yards
Speaker 3: in about five seconds.
Speaker 2: It was that fast. And that thing was probably it
Speaker 2: did seven feet tall, so you.
Speaker 1: Actually got to see it cover one hundred yards in
Speaker 1: a few seconds. How would you describe how would you
Speaker 1: describe the way that it was running.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of fallen logs everywhere, and like I
Speaker 3: said it, there's a lot of old growth. And because
Speaker 3: it had longer arms, it would run on off on
Speaker 3: its hind legs. As soon as it got near a
Speaker 3: log it's it would just like instantly kind of curl
Speaker 3: his legs up for a split second as he uses
Speaker 3: those arms to go straight over it, and then instantly back.
Speaker 2: But the thing was is that they didn't run with
Speaker 2: their arms like what we do.
Speaker 3: If you ever see like those marathon runners where they're
Speaker 3: so exhausted, their arms are just kind of like hanging
Speaker 3: at their waist, but they're still going back and forth
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 2: And that's the way this thing ran.
Speaker 3: But it was so fast because I had raced up
Speaker 3: to where he was and he was only about thirty
Speaker 3: yards for me, and I was in my broncos so
Speaker 3: I went as soon as he started going, I stopped
Speaker 3: and I tried to get a picture with this crappy
Speaker 3: camera that I was telling you about that like everything's
Speaker 3: blurry and so oh.
Speaker 2: I got a picture of just at the back of
Speaker 2: his head. And it was that fast. It was just
Speaker 2: like so quick. It was insanely fast.
Speaker 1: Could you notice any specific movements that were being done
Speaker 1: by its legs while it was running.
Speaker 3: For those that like second and a half that I
Speaker 3: actually saw. Yeah, his legs were not like chimp feet
Speaker 3: or legs. They weren't like normal apes. These were designed
Speaker 3: for walking a long periods like arms, and its legs
Speaker 3: were probably i'd say about two thirds the length of
Speaker 3: their arms. And he just he didn't have a motion
Speaker 3: like most people say they have this broken gate kind
Speaker 3: of thing where their legs are always bent.
Speaker 2: No, this thing was so fast. It was just like
Speaker 2: it was gone.
Speaker 1: A lot of witnesses we'll say something to the effect
Speaker 1: of it seemed to be gliding or making a gliding
Speaker 1: motion when it was moving. Was there anything like that present?
Speaker 2: No, No, it was like it's like its head didn't
Speaker 2: like bob up and down. But it was so fast,
Speaker 2: and it just.
Speaker 3: Moved so quickly that the only thing I could think
Speaker 3: of is when, like we would if I ran that territory,
Speaker 3: that straight line, I would have actually had been jumping
Speaker 3: over a man's needed bushes, jumping over logs and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, and this thing just went straight through him
Speaker 3: like it was nothing.
Speaker 1: Wow, that would be fantastic to see. At any point
Speaker 1: during any of these stories, there's a few times when
Speaker 1: you mentioned like you're trying to get video or photographing photos.
Speaker 1: Were you able at any point to get any video
Speaker 1: footage or photos of what.
Speaker 2: You really did?
Speaker 3: Have?
Speaker 2: One video that I had, which was the one behind
Speaker 2: a stump. Now here's the weird thing is about three
Speaker 2: days after that, apparently I forgot to lock the house.
Speaker 2: Me and my wife and kids had went out for
Speaker 2: lunch and then hang out the arcade at the mall.
Speaker 3: We came back and here's this one guy. His name
Speaker 3: was Scottie, and he's not all the way there in
Speaker 3: the head, right, but he's extremely nice person and very trustworthy, right,
Speaker 3: and he's got like a split personality issue. But he's
Speaker 3: like sitting it right in front of my house on
Speaker 3: the curb, and I was like, what's up, Scotty's I
Speaker 3: came over to talk to you. I knocked on your door.
Speaker 2: Before I knocked on your door, I seen your door open.
Speaker 2: I didn't go inside. I wanted to know if you
Speaker 2: were homeshow. I said, oh, you there, Greg, but you
Speaker 2: want homeshow. I decided to sit here and make sure
Speaker 2: nobody got in your home.
Speaker 3: And I was just like, oh okay, So we instantly,
Speaker 3: me and my wife walked in and started looking at
Speaker 3: all the Valueles TVs there, the Xbox is there, the
Speaker 3: PlayStation's there, or all her jewelries there. Nothing had been ransick.
Speaker 3: The only thing that was gone was the one videotape
Speaker 3: that I made of the bigfoot thing.
Speaker 2: But I do have the one photo of the one
Speaker 2: sasquatch that ran off so fast and I got the
Speaker 2: back of his head. Cau It's like I said, I
Speaker 2: had this little camera. I'm pretty sure it was called
Speaker 2: the Phaser, even though I can't find it online anywhere anymore.
Speaker 2: But this thing was a ten dollars pos and you
Speaker 2: just pointed and shoot.
Speaker 3: There's no focus, sing or anything like that. It looks
Speaker 3: like a little laser gun. That was the one actual
Speaker 3: photo I actually was able.
Speaker 2: To take of it. And then yeah, it was so
Speaker 2: I got that. But what I did was I drew
Speaker 2: and the sketches of a lot of the actual incidentss
Speaker 2: of what I saw.
Speaker 3: And I've been interviewed by the Southern Texas Bigfoot company
Speaker 3: or group, and I.
Speaker 2: Gave them the sketchings. I gave sketchings to this other
Speaker 2: film company.
Speaker 3: Then Charles Sasser contacted me because he was commissioned from
Speaker 3: his publisher to write a foot or a book about
Speaker 3: Bigfoot and the people who researched them.
Speaker 2: And he contacted me and asked if he can do
Speaker 2: he can get an interview. So I did that and
Speaker 2: then sent him copies of those of the sketches as well.
Speaker 2: And then there was another two people that interview viewed
Speaker 2: me for YouTube that I did as well.
Speaker 3: And so I'm willing to send you the copies of
Speaker 3: those sketches and the photo if you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would absolutely love that. I think that would
Speaker 1: be cool to put in the YouTube version. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you'd be okay with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be funny. Like I said, the more people know,
Speaker 2: the better it is. Now. I do have a few.
Speaker 3: Suggestions for the people who are researchers now and people
Speaker 3: who are wanting to research. One thing is get yourself
Speaker 3: a three sixty camera. Stop relying on cell phones, stop
Speaker 3: relying on just normal video cameras, because when you're moving
Speaker 3: that video camera around and that sasquat sees you pointing
Speaker 3: at it, it might think it's a weapon or something
Speaker 3: and hide. But now if you actually have a three
Speaker 3: sixty camera, like the one I have is an Insta
Speaker 3: three sixty x three. They got better versions now, But
Speaker 3: what it does is it shoots film in two one
Speaker 3: and eighty degree camera angles right one on.
Speaker 2: The front, one on the back. You just either put
Speaker 2: that on your head.
Speaker 3: Or you carry us the selfie pole that it has.
Speaker 3: And then they got a studio that you can just
Speaker 3: have it for automatically format to three sixty video and
Speaker 3: then you can go back to saying, okay, I'm starting
Speaker 3: it at this time on this date. And then and
Speaker 3: let's say you heard like a sasquatch or something. Instead
Speaker 3: of you looking at it and scaring it off, you
Speaker 3: can sit there and stop, have people pull out a
Speaker 3: little bit of food or something, and then just hold
Speaker 3: the pole or set it up somewhere to where it's.
Speaker 2: Just watching a three to sixty.
Speaker 3: Video, and then you can go back and move your
Speaker 3: camera angle around via your screen by locking onto it,
Speaker 3: moving it around, and you'll be able to see the
Speaker 3: saucequatch chairs or whatever that's in that vicinity without actually
Speaker 3: having to turn. The other one is if you are
Speaker 3: with a large group of people, Okay, you're not going
Speaker 3: to see a saucequatch. Okay, those things are going to
Speaker 3: hear you coming and they're going to hide, they're going
Speaker 3: to leave. I think they can smell gun oil and
Speaker 3: that's why they hunters rarely see them.
Speaker 2: But the best groups to have is about four people.
Speaker 3: Having a female in the group as well, I think
Speaker 3: is a very beneficial thing because I think her voice
Speaker 3: will basically drop down.
Speaker 2: Their defenses and they won't be uptight like there's about.
Speaker 3: The hunters and they'll be like, oh, there's a woman there,
Speaker 3: so let's check it out. But the biggest thing is
Speaker 3: if you hear a saucequatch miry, okay, stop, sit down, relax,
Speaker 3: and then pretend to groom each other like what chimps
Speaker 3: and gorillas do, going through their hair and pretending to
Speaker 3: pick out little mites and gnats and stuff like that
Speaker 3: and eat them. And to primates that's there. That's a
Speaker 3: mark of relaxation, like total relaxation. They're comfortable, they're relaxed
Speaker 3: in this area. So the sasquatch is going to see that.
Speaker 2: And be more relaxed because now you guys are relaxed,
Speaker 2: and heck, you may get lucky and have one come
Speaker 2: up and lay next to you and want to be
Speaker 2: groomed itself. That would probably be a big first on
Speaker 2: saftquatch research. But the largest one out of all is
Speaker 2: don't screaming point, because that's the worst thing you can do,
Speaker 2: is screaming point. Because you stare, you scare it, it's
Speaker 2: and then basically it's gone.
Speaker 1: The that's some great advice. The grooming advice is very interesting.
Speaker 1: Is that something that you had figured out yourself from
Speaker 1: maybe your your research into Jane Goodall or is that
Speaker 1: something that you had picked up from another researcher.
Speaker 3: Actually it's a culmination of Jane Goodall's research, Diane Fosse's research.
Speaker 3: You probably no more of her work from the movie
Speaker 3: Gorilla in the Midst But then also all the other
Speaker 3: documentaries I have watched where the chimps or gorillas orangutans,
Speaker 3: any primates even in baboons. Once they get to an
Speaker 3: area where they feel comfortable and relax that's when they
Speaker 3: start grooming each other. And this one is helping build
Speaker 3: up bonds with each other, social hierarchy, in building up
Speaker 3: friendships and just getting those bugs out of your hair.
Speaker 2: But it's also a comforting factor.
Speaker 3: It's just like when women go to a beauty salon
Speaker 3: and getting their hair done and it's being washed and
Speaker 3: dried and relaxed. These women, and I'll tell you the truth,
Speaker 3: I've gone to a couple of the swans and with
Speaker 3: my wife and did the same thing. It's very relaxing.
Speaker 3: So this is the way that you will be able
Speaker 3: to draw sasquatches out more because they will be relaxed
Speaker 3: showd knowing you're relaxed, you're not hunting, and they can
Speaker 3: come up closer and get a better view because one thing,
Speaker 3: they're curious.
Speaker 2: They are very curious.
Speaker 3: So if you have a three sixty camera that you're
Speaker 3: doing and then you hear this creature, if you could
Speaker 3: put it on a small tripod from between all of
Speaker 3: you guys while you're sitting there pretending to be grooming,
Speaker 3: you might get some extremely good.
Speaker 1: Footage and that is really good. That's really solid advice.
Speaker 1: That's probably some of the more solid advice you've gotten
Speaker 1: on this show. Thank you. I would love to hear
Speaker 1: if anyone ever tries that and is successful. A few
Speaker 1: locations that came to mind that are in the general
Speaker 1: vicinity of the encounters that you've talked about. So maybe
Speaker 1: here at the end, let's throw some of them out
Speaker 1: here and see if you've ever heard anything about these areas.
Speaker 1: And if not, that's no problem. Fall Creek.
Speaker 2: That sounds really familiar.
Speaker 1: That's by Lowell in Windbury in Lane County.
Speaker 2: Is that an Oregon or Washington?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an organ it's if you take fifty eight
Speaker 1: out of Eugene and then you go down to oak
Speaker 1: Ridge area.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, No, I've never had that any sightings
Speaker 3: in that area.
Speaker 2: Like I've talked to people before.
Speaker 3: The Bohemian Mining district I know, has a good rich
Speaker 3: history of Sasquatches there, Mountain ape devils is what some
Speaker 3: people have called them. One instant I was took my
Speaker 3: kid up to the top of the Bohemian Mountain. They
Speaker 3: have a fire watch tower there and a big picnic
Speaker 3: table and we went up there a couple of different times,
Speaker 3: and the picnic table is a good six hundred pounds.
Speaker 3: These logs are six by six or six by fours.
Speaker 3: The whole thing is just solid. And I noticed one
Speaker 3: day when we had went up there that the table
Speaker 3: looked like it had been just completely flipped off the area,
Speaker 3: onto the cave, onto almost the road below, because if
Speaker 3: you had a bunch of people picking it up and
Speaker 3: trying to shuffle and chuck it, you would definitely see
Speaker 3: their footstep shuffling. There's sometimes I'm just walked up and
Speaker 3: just flipped it off, But that's not the real thing
Speaker 3: was that.
Speaker 2: I drove up there and I spoke at a conference in.
Speaker 3: Hillsboro about the differences of species of sasquatch, because there's not.
Speaker 2: Just one roaming around in America, but there's several.
Speaker 3: And I was talking to them about it, and my
Speaker 3: kids bought a bigfoot sticker that said Bigfoot Live and
Speaker 3: put it on the back of my bronco without me
Speaker 3: knowing it, and I didn't take it off. I was like,
Speaker 3: the kids spent their hard earned money on one, so
Speaker 3: that's fine. And I drove up and there was this
Speaker 3: group of people that drove up on quads and the
Speaker 3: one of the guys is about six foot seven and
Speaker 3: he was a big guy. And they're all talking, and
Speaker 3: they're all standing in a line, and they're like standing
Speaker 3: side by side, and I'm talking to him and I saw, like,
Speaker 3: any of you guys heard anything about tossquatches around here
Speaker 3: or anything and the incidences.
Speaker 2: And they're like why, And I was like, oh, if
Speaker 2: you notice that bumper sticker, I do research.
Speaker 3: And the guy's just, oh, I got an incident, And
Speaker 3: right before he could really say that, the others started sniggering.
Speaker 3: They're like, and he raised his hand, I will slap
Speaker 3: all of you, and they're like, oh Jesus, guy has
Speaker 3: never acting like that towards He's like, let me tell
Speaker 3: you something.
Speaker 2: And he was talking about one of the roads around there.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what forestry number it was, but him and.
Speaker 3: His buddy drive up there like a few months before
Speaker 3: elk season and deer season so they can get a
Speaker 3: scout into the land. And this time they drove up
Speaker 3: in his friends ranchero and they see this huge, gigantic,
Speaker 3: fur covered human, solid black covers the entire forest road
Speaker 3: in two steps right, and he's like, it takes me
Speaker 3: six just to walk across the road.
Speaker 2: So this thing was huge, and they stopped the vehicle.
Speaker 3: They got out to go and investigate more, and he
Speaker 3: got about fifty feet into the woodline when he had
Speaker 3: this overwhelming sense of fear and he realized that his
Speaker 3: forty four magnum pistol wasn't going to be enough.
Speaker 2: Protection to protect him.
Speaker 3: So he started running back for the jaro, and his
Speaker 3: friend was already in it and had started driving off
Speaker 3: because he was that terrified, and he had to literally
Speaker 3: dive into the back of the ranchero. Okay, Then that
Speaker 3: same day I met two guys just kicking back in
Speaker 3: the back of their truck and asked them about the area,
Speaker 3: and one of them giggled and the other.
Speaker 2: One got pissed. He's like, dude, you don't know anything.
Speaker 3: Remember my grandpa. He's yeah, he's this a World War
Speaker 3: two vet is. He had an incident here, and it
Speaker 3: reminded me so much of the Albert Oatesman experience, not
Speaker 3: being kidnapped, but being chased by him. He was hunting
Speaker 3: an animal, I think the guy said it was a deer,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden he hears these rocks being
Speaker 3: landed by him, and he sees like four saucequatches when
Speaker 3: he freaked out and fired at a couple of them,
Speaker 3: and they started hooting and chucking rocks harder at him,
Speaker 3: and that's when he started running out of the the canyon,
Speaker 3: and they kept up with him for about a mile
Speaker 3: and then he just got into a vehicle and hauled butt.
Speaker 3: But the biggest incident there was a historical record from
Speaker 3: the Sheriff's department nineteen sixties. A biker gang robbed a
Speaker 3: gas station and their local haunt was the Bohemian mining area.
Speaker 3: The sheriff gathered a posse together to go bring these
Speaker 3: guys to justice. And as they're driving up towards the
Speaker 3: mining district, all these motorcyclists or bikers are driving down.
Speaker 3: Now they have stuff hanging off their motorcycles, tents. It's
Speaker 3: like some of them just drove through the tents, you know,
Speaker 3: and these guys are freaking out. They got off the
Speaker 3: motorcyclist and they ran up to the sheriff and repleting
Speaker 3: to save them because gigantic, hairy monsters came in and
Speaker 3: attacked their camp.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. That's Bohemian Mine area.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's all sorts of failed mines where people dig
Speaker 3: in about like fifty feet and there's nothing, so.
Speaker 2: They go to another area. Go to another area. A
Speaker 2: lot of black bear live in there.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of deer, some pumas, some wolfs, all
Speaker 3: sorts of floor and fauna for a bear to be
Speaker 3: able to eat, and also creeks to get a fish
Speaker 3: out of.
Speaker 1: Last location area I'll ask you about is have you
Speaker 1: ever heard anything about the Union Creek or Prospect area?
Speaker 1: The Union Creek, yeah, Union Creek or Prospect is west
Speaker 1: of Crater Lake.
Speaker 2: Prospect.
Speaker 3: No, But I've heard people talk about incidences in Crater
Speaker 3: Lake or the camping areas that are surrounded. Oh well,
Speaker 3: most of them were vague, like people are camping and
Speaker 3: they hear dick snapping and they see this large bipedal
Speaker 3: creature in the tree lines, but not really doing anything.
Speaker 2: And I've had people, you know, ask me, people who.
Speaker 3: Want to do research and stuff to look in their
Speaker 3: areas where it would be.
Speaker 2: A good area to go researching. And so I like
Speaker 2: scour Google Earth or the map sections and then look
Speaker 2: for areas that would be really good for these researchers
Speaker 2: to go look at.
Speaker 3: Because the best way to the calculation is the less
Speaker 3: humans accessible, the better.
Speaker 2: Right if you have to hike a couple of miles
Speaker 2: off of a road, the better. A lot of flora
Speaker 2: that they can.
Speaker 3: Eat, a lot of fauna, chipmunks, birds, good deer population,
Speaker 3: even if it's like a mountain goat population, and then
Speaker 3: adequate water sources. That's the biggest thing right there, because
Speaker 3: all life is drawn to water. So if you can
Speaker 3: find creeks, you can find not really huge lakes that much,
Speaker 3: but rivers, creeks. A lot of these places are are
Speaker 3: really good hotspots to get sastquatches. They'll eat crayfish, They'll
Speaker 3: eat any type of shellfish they can get their hands on,
Speaker 3: they'll get they'll eat chipmunks. I read reports of people
Speaker 3: coming up and seeing these gigantic holes in the ground
Speaker 3: and all these boulders stacked up, and people couldn't understand why.
Speaker 3: And one guy witnessed these sauscequatches moving these boulders and
Speaker 3: grabbing bowls and just popping them in their mouth and
Speaker 3: just chewing them up and eat them.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of I researched a lot. I
Speaker 2: think I still have the map of Washington, Oregon area
Speaker 2: that I can send you as well. That is, like
Speaker 2: I did a blotter map of about one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty years worth of sightings Native Americans.
Speaker 3: To whites and whatever, from police to researchers to campers
Speaker 3: and so. Like the red ones are hostile. These are
Speaker 3: just straight up hostile sightings. They chuck rocks at people,
Speaker 3: they chase them, roar at them. And but no, I
Speaker 3: think there was only six fatalities I researched, and most
Speaker 3: of these were because.
Speaker 2: Someone shot at them or shot up. Then the other
Speaker 2: ones are blue. Those are semi aggrasive.
Speaker 3: To passive, you know another words, they see you when
Speaker 3: they run away, or they stand there and watch you,
Speaker 3: maybe menacely, growl a little bit, and then you walk
Speaker 3: off or something like that.
Speaker 2: Those are about it. So the larger the dot, the
Speaker 2: more sightings that are in that area, and some of them.
Speaker 2: One of the trippiest incidents as I researched, which was
Speaker 2: over in Sandy, Oregon. A guy and his wife have
Speaker 2: a land out there and they hear some gunshots off
Speaker 2: of the distance, and so the wife goes out of
Speaker 2: the door first. The husband want to do get his
Speaker 2: rifle they go out there. He comes out of the
Speaker 2: door and his wife.
Speaker 3: Was standing at the edge of their property, which is
Speaker 3: fifty yards from their house, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: what he sees the gigantic like eleven foot tall, hairy man,
Speaker 3: just fur covered, looking at his wife with such intense
Speaker 3: hatred picture up and the throws her about forty yards
Speaker 3: into BlackBerry bushes and him and his friend actually had
Speaker 3: to have other people come out and carve a path
Speaker 3: to get her out of the BlackBerry bushes.
Speaker 2: I think she needed like one hundred and twenty two stitches.
Speaker 1: Did you actually interview this guy?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't.
Speaker 3: A lot of these research it from the books that
Speaker 3: have been published. Oh okay, yeah, and also the Bigfoot
Speaker 3: Mapping Project and also the BFRO. Absolutely, because I've actually
Speaker 3: talked to some of the investigators of the BFRO and
Speaker 3: they're very intelligent. Two of them were law enforcement, so
Speaker 3: they really you back and forth. I trust and make
Speaker 3: sure that your story straight.
Speaker 1: The investigators are good. I've talked to a lot of it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, wow, Greg, what has it been an incredible
Speaker 1: chat with you? Thank you for taking the time to
Speaker 1: share what you've experienced and answer all the questions that
Speaker 1: I've had. I really appreciate it. I want to make
Speaker 1: sure if there is anything that you want to have
Speaker 1: people check out, feel free to share that. At this time,
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anything.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: One me and my wife run a gluten free lifestyle
Speaker 3: YouTube channel, and this is for people who know people
Speaker 3: are silias or have to be gluten free, or they
Speaker 3: are themselves. It's good by Gluten, and it's the word good.
Speaker 3: There's a dash and then bye and then gluten afterwards.
Speaker 2: And if you pop up a YouTube channel that has
Speaker 2: an orange background ish with like chopsticks and forks and
Speaker 2: spoons and stuff that's hard. We do all sorts of recipes.
Speaker 3: Food product reviews, and I will tell you most of
Speaker 3: the food I tried that were gluten free are good,
Speaker 3: and then there's some that it says, oh, why didn't
Speaker 3: my kid make me eat this? Then I also have
Speaker 3: another YouTube channel that actually has all sorts of movies,
Speaker 3: video gaming, but it has me talking about my encounters
Speaker 3: of Sasquatch with the actual maps of the area and
Speaker 3: with the sketches and photos the actual.
Speaker 2: Areas that I did.
Speaker 3: And the YouTube channel is called Chaos entertainment, and that's
Speaker 3: aos and entertainment.
Speaker 2: But you have there's a couple of them.
Speaker 3: Mine's the oldest, but you have to look for the
Speaker 3: ones that have green and yellow lettering and like a
Speaker 3: space looking weird background, and that's mine. Let's see what
Speaker 3: else is there. There's links to like my books and
Speaker 3: my artwork that are there. Because one of my actual
Speaker 3: books is called Scions of Michael, and there's actually Sasquatches
Speaker 3: in there, a ton of them. Actually, Michael, the archangel
Speaker 3: comes down to Earth to protect the New Mary, ends
Speaker 3: up meeting a family of Saucequatches and then leading an
Speaker 3: army of Sasquatches into Seattle, all adorned with angelic armor
Speaker 3: and weaponry to fight.
Speaker 2: Demons and monsters. So it's a pretty good book for
Speaker 2: a good read.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well to link that for sure in the
Speaker 1: show notes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that you can buy that on Amazon or
Speaker 3: order it out from Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have a couple other Bigfoot the books out there
Speaker 3: that are like, one's a short story.
Speaker 2: I just forgot what the book was called.
Speaker 3: It's linked up in my Amazon page, and that actually
Speaker 3: has a sauce squatch story, let's see, And I think
Speaker 3: that's about it for right now.
Speaker 2: I've been pretty busy working on my new Caramel coin company, so.
Speaker 3: I'm tending to get back out into research as soon
Speaker 3: as I can, because the only reason why I stopped
Speaker 3: it was because I got really sick from my allergies
Speaker 3: and the immunity system got so compromised that literally I
Speaker 3: was bedridden for several months and so I couldn't Yeah,
Speaker 3: I couldn't leave the bed. I was wanting to just
Speaker 3: die because I felt so horrible. And that's when how
Speaker 3: I got silliac and we had to be gluten free.
Speaker 3: And then I moved up to Washington healed up a
Speaker 3: lot better. So now I'm ready to take my eld
Speaker 3: my youngest son out who's now twenty five, and go
Speaker 3: do researching and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And got a lot more equipment. I got it myself,
Speaker 2: a nice drone three sixty camera. Hopefully my drone won't
Speaker 2: get attacked by one video I saw where the dude's
Speaker 2: drone flying over and all of a sudden, you just
Speaker 2: see this giant stick just fly up and the yep,
Speaker 2: yeah nice, just like.
Speaker 1: Greg, Thank you so much. Definitely listeners check all that
Speaker 1: out in the show notes, keep usending a loop. If
Speaker 1: anything else does happen in the future, Greg would love
Speaker 1: to hear about it. But thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming on the show. I greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for having me and text me that
Speaker 2: email so I could send you all that.
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