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r r oe dot net. Hi Ero, how are you doing?

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Miss Margaret? My superhero when it comes to the outside world,

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because I like being a nature freak like you.

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Speaker 2: I can hear it in your voice. Barah, you're into this,

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the whole wild.

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Speaker 1: World, Margaret. If you knew where I was right now,

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I'm in the center of a state forest and we

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just endured twenty five degrees last night. The pipes are frozen,

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and you're sitting there going I love nature, I love

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how it bites me and we still grow forward and

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you've got to be the same way.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was seventeen. Here last night we're ready to spring,

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but it is still February. So this is how it's

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supposed to go.

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Speaker 1: Well, you really ignited me with the wheedy garden because

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one of the things that you that you really do

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cover in this is that you know the pesky hungry squirrel.

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Do you know where do they know where to go

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to plant their acorns? And just recently I found out

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where it is. They want the softest ground possible. They

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don't want to dig. What have you found?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why there's if you look closely at that

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page in the wheaedy Garden, the acorn this squirrel hid

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in the soil last fall has actually turned into a

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baby oak tree in the picture. So yes, they do

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plant those acorns in the garden because the garden has

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soft turn into soil in it, unlike the heart ground

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of the yard.

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Speaker 1: See, I won't get rid of those those little seedlings

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of the acorns. Them grow in my forest because I

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have one in South Charlott of forest, and I allow

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that to happen because it's nature doing what nature does.

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And who am I to go in there and interrupt nature.

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Speaker 2: Well it's a good point, and really nature is going

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to be busy interrupting itself anyway, because if you get

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here or you have chipmunks, somebody is going to go

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in there and eat most of those oak seedlings anyway.

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So it's the rare acorn that turns into a mighty oak.

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But that's what acorns are for, there to feed our

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wild neighbors.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that you think like that, because I've got

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wild grapes by the lake here, and the thing is

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is that I don't go out there to pick those grapes.

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What we do is we allow them to be there

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for the migratory birds that are going to be coming

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down and they need that fuel to get to other

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areas of the planet.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. That's why I don't pick my deadhead.

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Gardeners call it dead heading when you pick the spent

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ballooms off so that the plant will make new ballooms.

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I let those ballooms go to seeds, as the migratory

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birds need those seeds on their way south for the winter.

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Speaker 1: So now, how do you handle a wheaty garden? Because

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my father did not like a wheedy garden up there

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in Montana, and we would spend every weekend weeding the garden,

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and I'm going, please, this has got to be natural, man.

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Let the weeds grow.

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Speaker 2: Well. Some of the weeds you do want to grow,

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but there are other weeds that it's best to pull out.

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There are, among us invasive species like chickweed and creeping

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Charlie right that if you don't pull out, it will

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it will choke out the flowers. But when I talk

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about a wheaedy garden, I'm talking really about a wildflower garden.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 2: So many of our wildflowers were considered by our ancestors

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to be nuisance plants that the words the common names

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often have weed built right into the name. So you

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talk about milkweed, for example, But milkweed is the sole

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plant that a monarch butterfly can lay her eggs on.

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So if you don't have milk weed, you won't have milk,

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you won't have monarch caterpillars, and you won't have the

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next generation of monarch butterflies. So the weeds in the

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weedy garden aren't true weeds. They're wildflowers that others think

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of as weeds, but that if we cultivate, or often

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they just show up on their own, they are the

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seeds are brought in on the backs of wild animals,

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are in the bellies of birds, and if we let

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them grow, then we are going to have even more

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wild creatures to share our ecosystems with.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Margaret coming up next.

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The name of the book, and I'm telling you inside

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my heart because I've experienced the book. It is for

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all ages, but it is geared toward the younger people.

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The weedy garden. I always want to write a love

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song when people start knocking down what you know, the

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Queensland lace, because I think Queensland lace is a beautiful,

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beautiful flower, and people go, it's a weed. Go rid

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of the weed, and I'm going to that's a beautiful flower.

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Fall in love with it.

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Speaker 2: It's the way we are taught to manage our gardens

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is very destructive. If we see a hole in a leaf,

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we think pest yes. But in truth, if we see

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a hole in a leaf, it means that a butterfly

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or a moth has laid its eggs on that leaf,

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and it means we're doing something right. It means that

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we've allowed the right flowers to grow. Because if you

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don't have caterpillars, then the mama birds won't have anything

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to feed their babies. So it's a very inconnected Yes,

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it's a very interconnected world, and we have forgotten that.

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But I'll tell you what children have not forgotten it.

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If you have a three year old, or a four

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year old or a five year old, handy, watch what

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they do when they walk out into the wild world.

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They will immediately squat to get a closer look. See.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I love about this Yeah, that's exactly

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the reason why I love this book is because you're

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going after the right age group, and at the same time,

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it's also entertaining people like myself because now we have

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someone we can talk with and grow with. When you

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plant an idea like that to a younger reader, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I think that that is true. But I also

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think that in some ways we can take our lead

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from those children. We don't need to teach them that,

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we just need to let them be themselves. Children are

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automatically interested and they can show us the way. They

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can show us what we've forgotten as adults.

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Speaker 1: Wow, seven minutes with you is not enough. Where can

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people go to get more information about you? This book

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and everything that you've dedicated your life to because you're

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really all about growing forward.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have a website, Margaret Wrinkle dot com, but

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you don't need to know very much about me to

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appreciate the Weedy Garden. I think it's really for children,

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with a little bit of extra information in the back

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for the grown ups in their lives. And the book

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is out today, so it's available anywhere you like to

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get books.

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Speaker 1: And the illustration is absolutely phenomenal. We didn't even get

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to touch on that, but I really think that we

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should honor that person too, which I believe is a

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relative of yours.

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Speaker 2: Is it not. It is the artist who made these lavish, extravagant,

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beautifully colorful artworks is my baby brother. I knew it.

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Speaker 1: God Man, please come back to this show. The door

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is always going to be open for you.

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Speaker 2: Have me anytime. I really enjoyed talking with you.

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Speaker 1: You'd be brilliant today. Okay, and keep loving those plants.

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Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Eric.