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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joel from Springfield, Missouri and I play at Rivercut

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Golf Course. Welcome to Golf Smarter. Hi.

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Speaker 3: This is Mike Leggetts from New Concord, Ohio, and I

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play at JC Public Golf Course. This is the Golf

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Smarter Proadcast Number one thy and twelve or Episode one twelve.

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Speaker 4: The one everybody knows is the game of golf is

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like the game of life. You get bad breaks from

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good shots, you get good breaks from bad shots, but

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you have to play the ball as it lies. But

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there's another one that he talks about in the game

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of golf, I suppose also in the game of life,

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one must do one's own reasoned and resolute best, whether

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the prospect be bleak or rosie. As long as you

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do your best, as long as you have prepared, as

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long as you have put your time in, as long

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as your expectations are in right alignment, then whether the

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outcome is not what you want it or beyond what

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you want it, you have to be disciplined on how

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you're taking that approach. And that word reason to me,

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Fred was the part that everything that we've done in

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youth golf since I've started this are coming across, and

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that is coaches, parents, friends, results giving them unrealistic expectation.

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I cannot go out to the golf course tomorrow with

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an absolute expectation of shooting seventy two if I've never

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broken eighty.

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Speaker 1: Using golf to teach the game of life with Bobby

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Jones' great grandson, Robert Jones Black.

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Speaker 4: This is Golf Smurder, sharing stories, tips and insights from

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great golf minds to help you lower your score and

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raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Golf Smurterer Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Robert, welcome over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, exactly, exactly, all right.

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Speaker 4: Take two, Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. Robert.

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Speaker 4: You doing Fred, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 2: It's so great to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: A brief history of how we met, and then why

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your name is Robert and not Bob or Bobby.

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Speaker 2: So I've told this story.

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Speaker 1: The audience is aware that I went to the Masters

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here this year twenty twenty five for my first time,

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and we had these members badges because we were the

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guests of Charlie Yates Junior. And at one point I'm

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there with Mac Barnheart, agent for Lucas Glover.

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Speaker 2: We're chatting. Boy, my dropping names fast.

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Speaker 1: So we're chatting away but not and Max says, hey,

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can you get a table? Says to one of the

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people works there, and they said.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we got to this table.

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Speaker 1: We sit down at the table is already three people

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at the table, soon.

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Speaker 2: To be four.

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Speaker 1: And we get into a conversation, Hey, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: And so the older gentleman, probably in his late seventies,

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maybe his eighties, and you can confirm this in a minute,

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he says, Yeah, I've been coming to the Masters since

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i was fourteen. I was sixteen fourteen. I'm like, wow,

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how is that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been coming every year. How this family?

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Speaker 1: And I just look at him and give him the

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hands like, come on, there's more of this than that.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, goes, Oh, Bobby Jones was my grandfather.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, your cousin first cousins with doctor Bob.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I am.

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Speaker 1: And so then sitting next to him is one of

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his sons and his son's wife, and then joining us

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a few minutes later is another one of his sons,

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Robert Jones Black. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Robert good recount and you and I guess you've got

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to see where my hike came from, too, didn't you not?

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Speaker 2: Your dad came from?

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Speaker 4: Your brother is My mom is five three and my

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dad is five eight. I went to six foot five.

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but somehow somewhere the height came in. And uh, yeah,

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don't you see where this came from?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I shared with a couple of people the

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picture that I took with the three of you, and

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they're like, somebody wrote.

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Speaker 2: Back, who those giant people? I don't recognize those people?

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I think. But yeah. One of the things I love

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about the Masters, I'm on twenty five years. My first

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one was Ola Fable, and one of the things I

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like about that particular area is that you kind of

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have this kind of community sitting and so you never

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know who you're going to sit down with, and most

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everybody always is very open to just having conversation. Uh

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life trait that my dad has himself and instilled in us,

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especially in our early stages of young adulthood and everything,

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and that was we're humble about you know who were

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related to, and just a nice subtle message. Throughout life

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of Bobby created or accomplished some really great things, but

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we did not, So Pete, appreciate it, respect it, and

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and but be humble about it. And that's a you know,

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it's a tough area to navigate through, especially as you

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know now I'm approaching fifty. I'm going to turn fifty

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this year, and then you talked about Bob Jones for uh,

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you know, you have to talk about it, and you

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have to represent the story and the legacy and the

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brand and the brand.

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Speaker 1: That's what I've talked to doctor Bob about a lot.

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second generation the third generation of any company that's a

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family owned and operated company, that second to third generation

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in Bobby's case, that audience that got to see the

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living and breathing Bobby Jones is moving on. The second

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generation was able to carry that legacy in the story

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and get us involved with some really great things. Now

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my generation and then my son's generation, you're getting away

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from that tangible attachment. So it's this really tricky way

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of saying how do you stay relevant and not just

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become public domain but not also trying to capitalize on

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what Bobby Jones accomplished. And I think the family has

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always done a great job of that, and I think

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it's interesting that that is part of me and the

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cousins that are all in my age group, which I

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think there's twelve of us. That's the task that we

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have for the next you know, thirty forty years, is

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how do you tell this story? Now, we are very

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fortunate in the fact that every April he has talked

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about a lot, and then now every August with east

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Lake hosting the Tour Championship, we've kind of bookended the

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golf season with these moments of talking about Bobby Bobby Jones,

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still there, but there's still just that obligation responsibility to

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figure out how do you keep that relevance And it

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gets more challenging passes.

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Speaker 1: Right, but in your humility aside. There are photos of

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him behind you. So how did it get to be

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your Robert Jones Black?

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Speaker 2: Where? How did how did that last name come in

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to play? Where? How did that move forward?

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Speaker 4: So my my grandmother's my dad's mother was Bobby Jones

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first born, and that was one of his two daughters.

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large part of her life because they were in the

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same neighborhood area of Atlanta. And she was ended up

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marrying William Black, who went by Bill or Billy. And

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he incredibly fascinating personality in himself. He had his own story.

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with the Greater Greensboro Open for the years that's the

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title that now the windhom Championship here in Greensboro, North Carolina.

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his life every single day that it wasn't pouring down

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rain he was on the golf course. But he had

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gotten into the car business. In nineteen fifty five, he

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went to General Motors and asked about franchise opportunities and

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they gave him the Cadillac franchise in Greensboro, North Carolina.

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then they had three kids at my dad and then

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two sisters, Claire and then Mary and Mary. Unfortunately we

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lost in twenty twenty. I'm yeah, but that's where we

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get the black last name attachment to it. And actually

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it was doctor Bob and I in twenty fourteen or

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fifteen somewhere around there where I started wanting to become

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involved with the family business on the Jones side, uh,

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where he was just kind of like, you know, you

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really should embrace the full name that you've been given

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and just go with Robert Jones Black. And I've actually

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it's it's been again. I'd like to stay humble to everything,

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but I think it's kind of fun and it's a

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name that people remember. So yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: When you're introduced to someone, you know, I'm Robert Jones Black,

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it doesn't register that it's, you know, direct ascendant of

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Bobby Jones. Yes, and so with the family history as

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it is, and thank you for that explanation. At what

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point are you is the word indoctrinated as to what

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the history is and what it means to the world

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at large beyond just the family.

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Speaker 4: Natural indoctrination to a degree, never a point which again

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sit down or anything that happened. I think natural. I

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say natural because as I was entering adulthood post college,

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anniversary of Bobby Jones, and then immediately two years later

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we had the release of Bobby Jones' Stroke of Genius,

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which had you know, you know, Fox Theater Atlanta where

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we did the full red carpet show and all of that,

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writer and creator of that is still associated with one

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of our foundations, Bobby Jones CSF Kim Dawson. So I

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registering obviously being a sport fan growing up and understanding

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what he had accomplished, understanding the magnitude, I guess, and

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it wasn't until that mid twenties for me to really

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start getting that what he did was special, but more importantly,

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the legacy that needs to be maintained around character, integrity, honesty.

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that was made in golf in terms of majors one

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in the Grand Slam. There was something bigger there and

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that's ultimately what I attached to. And I guess anybody

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that would see my golf swing would understand that if

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I can't attach to the golf game, then try to

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attach to what he was off the golf course, maybe

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a little bit more relatable.

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Speaker 2: When you were growing up.

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Speaker 1: What kind of stories did your dad share and did

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he have memories of his grandfather?

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Speaker 4: Did he share them, did some you know, again, he

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was somewhat quiet about it. I think that Bob Jones,

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my dad, in that generation, when you're the grandchild, I

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think you're naturally going to get added pressure and expectations

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from people because it's still just such a connect. I

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think my dad was twenty three twenty four when Bobby

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Jones passed away, so he, you know, certainly went all

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through childhood. I think they did a lot of like

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summers visiting in Atlanta, staying at the house and things

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like that, and you know, just some of the things

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that my dad would chat casually through was how much

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of a fan Bobby was with golf and golf, you know,

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in the sixties, just starting to become a broadcast sport

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and all of that that when it was aired on TV.

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Bobby not moving from the TV. But my dad, Lissie

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was born in forty seven and it was right around

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that time period that Bobby was diagnosed with syringa maelia.

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the first grandchild. They know him as not Bobby Jones

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the golfer, but Bobby Jones the syringa maelia. You know,

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I don't want to say patient, but uh, my dad

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watched him go from cain to crutches, to wheelchair to

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complete completely being immobile. He's got a really good master

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story I love to tell and that will be the

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nugget that I can provide.

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Speaker 1: And let me let me also, since you talked about

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Speaker 2: He's in his late seventies, late seventies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I think absolutely right, and I think

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that was a good guess. So I don't think he'll

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be mad at that. I appreciate, Okay, no, no, no problem.

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My favorite this is And what's funny about this is

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he told this story. I think it was the first

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Masters we went to after COVID, so maybe twenty two,

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so this is a new story for me. But he

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had a friend there and we were sitting across the

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tenth tee and we were facing towards the cottages, so

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away from eighteen Green and everything, and that cottage, one

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of the first ones by ten t is the Jones Cottage.

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And so he's talking to his friend. I'm like, I've

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gone to this tournament for twenty two years at this point.

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My dad and he said, he said, you know, there's

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a funny story about that cottage. He said, that front

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room right there. When I came to the Masters, that's

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where I stayed, and I would stay in the front room.

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And he said, so one year and he was trying

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to recall his age, and I'm gonna think it was

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fourteen or so, based on the timeliness of this story.

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He said, I'm sitting and I've woken up, and I'm

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just kind of sitting in my room in Bobby Jones,

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which they call Bob. I'm sure Bob Jones has talked

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about that. Bob was sitting in the living room and

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my dad looks out the window and he sees Jack

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Nicholas and Jack's dad walking out of the clubhouse walking

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past ten t approaches the cottage, knock on the door,

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and in comes Jack Nicholas and his dad. So my

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dad's like, you know, I got to hang out in

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my room, can't go out there. And they visit for

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I don't know, a handful of minutes or whatever it was,

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and you know, just here's conversation happening or whatever, and

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then you know, you hear the pleasantries of an exit.

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Door shuts, looks out the window and Jack and his

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dad walked back to the clubhouse, and it was Jack

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Nicholas telling Bobby Jones that he was going pro And

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my dad was sitting in his bedroom sitting there watching

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or hearing this take place. And I was like, how

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in the world have we come over twenty two years

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the first time that you're going to share that story.

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But I think it just shows that my dad, traditionally

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he's just a keeps to himself type individual, very smart

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business guy. He's had an amazingly successful career. He continued

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the car dealership piece. We're still doing that now, my

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sister and brother in that business, and then other ventures

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that he took on along the way. But he just

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I think, likes to keep some things very personal and

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to himself. So it didn't surprise me. He had never

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shared the story, but I found it. I was like,

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that was such a monumental moment in golf history because

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Bobby did not want Jack to go pro yet. Really, yeah,

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because Bob was an amateur.

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Speaker 1: He was really promoting the idea and loved the idea

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and as soon as the whole concept of and I'm

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just from what I know talking to doctor Bob, is that.

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Speaker 2: He didn't, you know, he didn't want to go pro.

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Speaker 1: He retires at twenty seven and becomes an attorney. That

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pro was not that era, but Jack Nicholas kind of

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changed things.

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Speaker 4: It did he did, and that was see it. You're

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right because his early sixties I think it was sixty

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one sixty two where Jack went pro I think, And yes,

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the purses and the sponsorships and all of this stuff

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that we see didn't exist then, So you could see

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what Bobby Jones, you know, kind of argument would be there,

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and I think Jack needed one more US amateur to

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tie Bobby Jones. Might need to check that for me,

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but it was something along as one one more with

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ty Bobby Jones, and he wanted that, so he did

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not like seeing Jack go you know, pro on it.

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So but anyways, it was to me a fascinating story

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and I think, uh, my dad's experiences growing up and everything. Again,

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when when Bobby Jones is for the most part not

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able to move and not able to you know, go

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outside and hit golf balls with his grandkids and all that,

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you would imagine that being the story. But unfortunately, because

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of Serena Maelia, it just wasn't very stationary. So it

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was a lot of conversation. Yeah, they all say Bob

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and my dad. They also talk about how incredibly smart

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Bobby Jones was. It's no mistake about the accomplishments he

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made in education. He was a smart guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he figured it out.

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Speaker 1: And is there conversation, you know, beyond the foundation. I'm

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not sure how many cousins you have in your generation.

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Doctor Bob and your dad are the same generation, but

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your generation may have even more and is there every

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conversation about the maintenance of the legacy and the promotion

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of the brand.

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Speaker 4: Well, the short answers yes, and thankfully we still have

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you know, a fair amount of youth in that that

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second generation, you know, ranging from maybe early early sixties

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as the youngest to to my dad being the eldest

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at at seventy seven. So, you know, I think what

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we look at and again it goes back to every

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conversation of every family business you talk about generation transfer,

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but in trauma. Yeah, but yeah, I mean it's like

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right now, most of the activity that's being done and

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the work being done, they're still able to manage. And

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so what I felt like was a really nice gesture,

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if that's a fair way to put it, was I

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expressed interest in twenty fourteen to get involved with the

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commercial side and did that for a number of years,

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and it was nice to just kind of see what

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the decision making process was, how we look at it.

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But what I really got out of that is the

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protection that the family provides to the legacy itself. It

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is incredibly tough to match in like a licensed commercial sense.

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So you know, if it were a product that came

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out of the you know, the next great golf gadget

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or whatever. That they made sure that any partnership we

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had was really reflective of the standards that the family

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wanted to maintain around the name. And that was such

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a neat to see that it was it wasn't just

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taught that. There was constantly things being presented that immediately

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the family goes just that's not the fit, that's not

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the opportunity, that's not where we want to see the name.

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And then I think probably the hardest thing to fill

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next generation is especially Bob Jones' ability to tell the stories.

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He knows it inside out, and he's a very good orator.

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I mean, he's just so good at speaking. Oh yes,

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so tough to fill that. It's like, you know, that's

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you know, how does that with the next generations. But

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we're a small family. I mean it's still, like I said,

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I think it's twelve that are in the third generation,

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so it's it's still a very manageable size, so that

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if and when we transition to a new generation being

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part of the company, it won't be inundated with thirty

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forty fifth he cousins. It's still going to be a

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very manageable name.

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Speaker 2: I need I need to apologize. I feel kind of weird.

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Speaker 1: You know, I talk about the brand and here's Bobby Jones,

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who is such a strict promoter of amateur golf and

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you we are talking about a brand. He probably wouldn't

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be too happy about the way that's being discussed. My

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sense from you know where he came from and what

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he stood for.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I think again that's not inaccurate. And the

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first opportunity, I don't know how many people know this

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was actually Eli Cowaway, uh oh and this is this

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is uh.

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Speaker 2: In stories for you on that one.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Yeah, but yeah, Eli, he had come across

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a signature of Bobby Jones that was written as Bobby,

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which was incredibly rare because Bobby always signed his name

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as Robert. But he presented it to the family and

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I think at the time it was my grandmother and said, hey,

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there's I have an idea to create a golf line

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and I want this signature to be the mark. And

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but nobody this was like eighty eight eighty nine, I

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think when the first meeting took place family, nobody really

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knew what licensing was at that time, so it was

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not very well accepted. But to your point, the biggest

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hurdle from the family and from my grandmother especially was

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I don't think Bobby Jones. I don't know if he

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would be supportive of this or whatever, but I think

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one of the best things that the family did was

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to be able to recognize that the most important thing

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we can do is keep his name relevant, and what

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a better way to do it than put it onto

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a golf club. And so they did end up doing

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the deal, But that was actually our early education of

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name image and likeness as everybody knows it today because

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thank college sports, but name image likeness and how that

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is how that is done. I tend to want to

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think that Bobby was also very innovative, you know, from

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the work that he did with spauling to go from

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the hickory shaft and to steal and things of that nature,

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to me was showing and even the development of Augusta

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National that he wanted to continue the growth of the

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sport and popularity of the game and make the game

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easier to play. So I feel like that there's if

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he looks at today's world and sees the mass amount

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of name recognition and licensing that takes place that he

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would be accepting of that fact. So but again, I

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think as long as we're doing things associated with foundation work,

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community works, scholarships with Emery uh and and all of

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those things that we are involved in, it's a nice balance.

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And everybody wants to celebrate Bobby Jones.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So what happened did Callaway?

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Speaker 1: I mean, because there were the Bobby Jones line of

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clothes and clubs and everything, But did Callaway?

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Speaker 2: Is that the old hickory stick stuff.

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Speaker 4: It was a little bit of that that he was

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doing initially, Ultimately it was big Bertha. Oh okay, big

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Bertha took off. Look at this.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to believe this.

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Speaker 1: I'm holding up a putter right now that has Callaway

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on the on the handle, and we've actually talked about

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this a couple of weeks ago on the podcast. This

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is this putter is called the Purest Steelcore Hickory Stick USA,

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and on it is a signature that I'm not sure

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if you can read it, but it says Tony Manzoni, Honey, yeah,

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do you know if Tony Manzoni, So, Tony Manzoni talk

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about full circle, Tony Manzoni and Richard Parente, who grew

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up together playing golf, came up with this idea for

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this golf club and they needed an investor, and they

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contacted Ellie Callaway. And we've heard this story recently, mainly

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because Jeane Parente, who's still in the golf industry.

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Speaker 2: It was his dad.

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Speaker 1: And Tony Manzoni was an amazing coach down in the

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Palm Springs area and was on the Golf Smarter podcast

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at least a times and every and he was such

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a great coach that his team that he coached at

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College of the Desert Community College won twenty nine regional

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championships in a row, won national champions and whatnot. So anyway,

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Tony Manzoni, it's like the only place you can find

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anything about him is on Golfsmarter dot com. But the

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point is is that handmade steel core hickory stick by

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Richard Parente. Tony and Richard they called Ellie Calloway and said,

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we have this golf club we want to start and

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we need an investor. And he looked at it, Calloway

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looking at no.

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Speaker 2: No, thanks, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: And then weeks go by they couldn't find any money,

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and once again they call him, give it one more try.

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Let's give it one more try. Manzoni does, and Callowy said,

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I'm so glad you called because I'm interested. So let

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me talk about calloways starting full circle And here we're

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back here with it.

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Speaker 4: The book coming out of about Callaway's story. All right,

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So that's Nicholas Calloway, his son. I was introduced to

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him soon after the PGA show this year. And it's

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actually next week and I'm sorry, I don't have the

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title in front of me, but we're recording.

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Speaker 1: We're recording this in May, I mean in late April,

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so next week. That means the book is probably already out.

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Speaker 4: The book. Yeah, the book is out, and if if

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it has not been found, I am really anxious to

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read this because what Nicholas did was he actually was

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able to find memoirs written by his dad and he

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just kind of transcribed what those were saying into this

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incredible career story. And he had an absolute, amazing fascination

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and relationship with Bobby Jones. Now it's factually, but I

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don't know to what degree that they are distant cousins,

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so they are related in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: But when Bobby Jones won the Grand Slam, Ellie was

478
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:19,440
a child and his mom kind of looked at him

479
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,680
and said, Hey, that's a that's a distant relative of yours.

480
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:27,799
And he forever followed Bobby Jones. And the book ends

481
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:31,960
Nicholas shared with me, like the closing paragraph and it's

482
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,920
all about Bobby Jones and what Bobby Jones taunt Ellie

483
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,559
Calloway in terms of how to be a career person

484
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,440
and work with you know, character and all this stuff.

485
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,519
It's it's really fascinating. But one more thing on this

486
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:54,079
that I'll share. Uh, they invested in AI technology. So

487
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,359
if you get the audio version of the book, it

488
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,200
is Ellie Calloway's voice narrating the book.

489
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: So but I did not know for voiceover announcers.

490
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,799
Speaker 4: No, what are we getting into? What are we getting

491
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:16,640
into a whole other conversation. But I was like, that's

492
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,599
pretty fascinating to have his dad's voice read on and

493
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,640
generated to read this book that ultimately most of the

494
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,720
words are at least words amazing.

495
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:32,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that really is remarkable, And yes to the Gulf

496
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,079
Smarter community, that book. I will track it down and

497
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:37,400
we will talk to Nicholas.

498
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: Nicholas wrote the.

499
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,359
Speaker 4: Book, right, yeah, so's yeah, yeah.

500
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: Okay, We've got to get him on the show and

501
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:43,880
talk about this.

502
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 4: I'll get you guys.

503
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,519
Speaker 2: Family History Week here on Smarter.

504
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,079
Speaker 4: Definitely suck.

505
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,319
Speaker 2: I'm curious to know.

506
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:05,039
Speaker 1: The I guess to put it this way, the ball's

507
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,880
in your court, your son and the next generation.

508
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: How is it that you are going to.

509
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: Impart the legacy of your family and what it means

510
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:23,000
to not just your family but the greater community at large,

511
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:29,119
and how you are supposed to carry yourself. Yeah, I'm

512
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,039
curious is how.

513
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,799
Speaker 2: You deal with that?

514
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 4: Now?

515
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: Well I think you said your son is Bobby.

516
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so Bobby is my son and ten years old.

517
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,079
Speaker 2: And uh still a little young, but.

518
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:44,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's getting it and he's been. He that was

519
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:48,559
his third Masters this year, so he's got a head

520
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:50,359
start on me. I don't know if that'll That's why

521
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:51,680
I keep trying to say to my I don't know

522
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,480
if that's going to be an annual thing. But because

523
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,279
of being a junior and everything, and and not to

524
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,319
jump off track, but I think it's very important and

525
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,400
be fun for listeners to know the way the Masters

526
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:13,599
handles young kids that are out there is unbelievable. They

527
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,279
I'll tell this quick story his first time on the property.

528
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,519
We had not been on the property for two minutes

529
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,640
and we're walking by the putting green and it was

530
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,759
Scotti Scheffler, Max Homer, and an Amner at the twenty

531
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:33,119
three Masters. And so I said to Bobby, was like, hey,

532
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,599
come up and get on this little rope line because

533
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:38,599
they're about to walk from the putting green to the

534
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:41,599
first tee. And so Bobby gets right up on the

535
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:46,519
front line and one of the stewards, you know, yellow

536
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:49,240
hat guys ye looks at Bobby and he goes, hey,

537
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,960
you want a closer look at this? And Bobby kind

538
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,640
of looks up at me like am I allowed to

539
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,400
do this? I was like, go, yeah, not knowing who

540
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,759
the kid is, not knowing who he is none, what's

541
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:03,559
just random child at the time, eight year old kids

542
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,880
sitting there. Took him under the ropes, took him not

543
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,519
to the first tea, put him on the first tea.

544
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:12,840
You know they have that umbrella that sits back there.

545
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,519
Put him right by the umbrella and let him sit

546
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,840
on that first tee to watch Scotti Scheffler, Max Hooma

547
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,719
and the amateur t Off, they will if they see

548
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,960
kids at that tournament, they make sure they get to

549
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,280
the front. It's absolutely unbelievable. So I had to share

550
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,440
that first, and then now to answer your question, I

551
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,800
think that it is tough, and I think the unknown

552
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,360
piece of the future is what does the relevance, what

553
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,039
does the name have in terms of muscle and strength

554
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:51,480
when we get to like twenty forty and twenty fifty,

555
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,079
which just wild that those years even are coming out

556
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:58,559
of my mouth right now, goly, But I think one

557
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,199
of the benefits that we have is that history is

558
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,559
allowing us to really kind of ride some momentum that

559
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,480
hasn't been there for a number of years because we're

560
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:15,760
hitting these centennial moments. So he started his majors wins

561
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,599
in nineteen twenty three, so you have from nineteen twenty

562
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:24,519
three or twenty twenty three to twenty thirty. You've got

563
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:29,320
a natural ability to talk about the success that Bobby

564
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,559
Jones had on the golf course, and so I think

565
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,559
that gives us a very nice runway. And of course

566
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:40,239
twenty thirty that's the centennial of the Grand Slam, So

567
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,480
no mistake that Marion will be hosting the US Open

568
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:49,320
in twenty thirty and Bobby Jones completed the Grand Slam

569
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,119
on the eleventh hole of Marion. So I think, you know,

570
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:59,960
from my standpoint, I have the nonprofit that I started

571
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,000
that has a dual purpose, and part of that purpose

572
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:11,400
is to provide some modernization or value to tomorrow's story

573
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,960
of Bobby Jones. That's a tough thing to do, but

574
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,840
I feel like that's was probably the fairest and safest

575
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,440
thing for me to do at this point. Again, the

576
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:26,519
generation that's our leadership right now, the cousins that are

577
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:31,039
all involved with the day to day decision making, hopefully

578
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:33,320
they get, you know, a nice long run of that.

579
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:39,679
And then I certainly am now with the amount of

580
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,079
time I'm spending in the golf industry, very aware that

581
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:48,960
I am much more upfront representation than I was three

582
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:54,599
or four years ago, which is flattering and honorable and

583
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:56,639
all that, but it also, you know, gives you a

584
00:36:56,679 --> 00:36:59,519
little bit of heartburn that you're just kind of like,

585
00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:02,280
I want to make make sure that I'm able to

586
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,119
maintain the standard that my dad's generation is being able

587
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:10,679
to maintain. So I think on the short term like

588
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,320
the ten year run, be asked or do what I'm

589
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,320
asked to do, continue the build of what I've created

590
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:25,880
that certainly honors what Bobby Jones did. And then I

591
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,880
think once we get into that twenty thirties and twenty forties,

592
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:34,480
we'll just kind of see. But we've got I think

593
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,039
we'll say I'm almost fifty and the youngest maybe twenty

594
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:42,440
three now out of our generation. So we have a nice,

595
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:49,000
you know, nice expansion of age that can always be

596
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:53,559
representing the story. We just got to make sure that

597
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,480
there is value to it beyond what the Masters delivers

598
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:01,639
and Tour Championship at East Late delivers. But those two, again,

599
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,840
they're forever instilled. As long as those tournaments are taking

600
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,960
place in hosts at those areas and those properties, we're

601
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,199
going to be able to talk about Bobby Jones every year.

602
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,039
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for opening the door, because the reason

603
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:17,679
that you're on the episode today is when you sat

604
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,679
down at that table, you know, inside the Ropes under

605
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,000
the umbrella. I don't know what it was, but I overheard,

606
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,840
you know, you were sitting to my left with Mac

607
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,320
in between us, and you said something about I want

608
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,719
to be on golf Smarter, Like, wait, you just said,

609
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,159
how do you know about golf smarter?

610
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 2: What's going on here?

611
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,559
Speaker 1: And we got into the conversation and you were telling

612
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:44,400
me about your nonprofit that you've started, and that's why

613
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,000
you were invited. So thank you so much for the

614
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:51,159
first half hour of conversation being about your grandfather. I'm

615
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,519
so fascinated by it, and I just love the family

616
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:55,960
connection and I really appreciate you sharing as much as

617
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,320
you have. But let's talk about your organization because I

618
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,360
did find did it fascinating and wanted to help to

619
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,239
promote it with you.

620
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 4: Thank you, Like should we talk about that or should

621
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,559
we talk about Mac? Because he stole the show that

622
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:10,599
day anyway, Like we all got home, we're like, did

623
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:12,039
you hear all those isms? That?

624
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,039
Speaker 1: But Mac is Mac was working hard, man, he was

625
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:20,480
He was amazing and it was just and it's like

626
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:22,480
I got to hang out with Mac for a couple

627
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:25,039
hours just watching him do his thing and it was amazing.

628
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,639
Speaker 4: Yeah that's uh, that was my first time meeting him.

629
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,480
But uh, but and he has a Again, I thought

630
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:34,599
the conversation that we were having with Mac around the

631
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:38,360
subject area the nonprofit, I found it to be a

632
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,000
very refreshing and kind of different perspective in point of view.

633
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,480
But yeah, So in twenty twenty one, I started a

634
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:54,679
nonprofit called the Generation Next Project. It was a very

635
00:39:55,039 --> 00:40:01,480
reactive decision, you know. The twenty twenty for me across

636
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:06,400
the board was incredibly difficult. I was in production, live

637
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,360
event and licensing business. Beyond Bobby Jones, I was working

638
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,840
with a couple other athletes, and so when twenty twenty

639
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:21,960
did its number in terms of shutdowns and the just

640
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:28,599
absolute annihilation of anything live event or production, my business, unfortunately,

641
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:36,840
was massively impacted by that. And what made it worse unfortunately,

642
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,960
was I have a wonderful business partner. He is one

643
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,679
of my seed investors with my sports marketing group. And

644
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:51,000
April seventeenth, during the peak shutdown, this was when it

645
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:53,960
was hardly you could even not even really go to

646
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,840
the grocery store. His twelve year old son, four day

647
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,119
shy of his thirteenth birthday, took his own life, and

648
00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:10,800
it was shocking, jarring everything about it. And I will

649
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,039
saying I don't say this a lot in interviews, but

650
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:17,199
I think one of the things that was looking back

651
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,039
on it, it was really interesting was my business partner's name

652
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:25,599
is Brad Hunstable. It was Brad's response, I think that

653
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,400
really started kind of putting some of the early roots

654
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,039
about the nonprofit that we'll talk about in a second.

655
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,760
Brad's a West Point grad Ohio State, NBA, built a

656
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:41,719
technology company that was really one of the early impactors

657
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,480
of increasing bandwidth so that you and I could do

658
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:48,119
what we're doing right now online. And he actually originally

659
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:52,840
created his technology for military use because Brad was the

660
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,039
last west Point graduating class pre nine to eleven whoa

661
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,719
so he did not have to go to duty. Every

662
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,440
class following Brad out of West Point, these guys were

663
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,599
going and having to do tours in Afghanistan and Iraq both.

664
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:18,760
So he started technology that increased bandwidth so that families

665
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,000
could have satellite conversation, and that ended up migrating into sports.

666
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,000
He ended up getting Fox Sports, he got Masters, I mean,

667
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:30,159
he got some great contracts or contracts, and sold the

668
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:33,639
company in twenty sixteen to IBM. So he's just this

669
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,119
just a very smart, successful, driven guy, and he suffers

670
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:46,599
this tragedy of unimaginable pain, and two weeks or so

671
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,760
after he buried his son, he's on the phone with

672
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,639
me saying, how do we do this where this doesn't

673
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:59,159
happen to anybody else? And I was like, I'll say,

674
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:00,639
I don't know. What do you want? He was like,

675
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:02,440
I want to get out, I want to voice, I

676
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,119
want to get big, I want to go fund me,

677
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:08,519
I want a foundation. So I initially challenged it and said,

678
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,159
don't you think right now is the time for you

679
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,840
to just be with family and mourn, And he was like,

680
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:18,559
not what I want to do. We raised through go

681
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,199
fundme a pretty substantial amount of money. He created a

682
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,440
documentary from it very quickly. He actually had a video

683
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,119
that he created on Facebook Live that to this day

684
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:34,000
and this is no joke. It's been I think it's

685
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:38,559
over one hundred and seventy million views. And he ended

686
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:42,280
up getting He was one of the early early voices

687
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:47,000
when we were fighting over not fighting, but all the

688
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:51,239
discussion about the vaccine. So that was taking media coverage

689
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,280
late twenty twenty into twenty twenty one. What we knew

690
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:01,880
and what the experts in child psychology knew was this

691
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:07,639
pandemic just threw gasoline on an already burning fire with

692
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,400
youth mental health. And he was one of the first

693
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:14,880
to be able to break into the news cycle and

694
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,719
get some interviews. And what was shocking, and I've never

695
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,079
talked about this in this way, Fred, what was shocking

696
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,920
to us at the time was we were sitting there.

697
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:26,480
We had a PR guy out of DC that was

698
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:29,400
doing outreach, and he was hitting all the big networks

699
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:35,440
and Washington posted everybody. Nobody wanted the story. It was

700
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:38,280
all about the vaccine, and it was all about the election.

701
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:42,920
Nobody wanted the story. As soon as that vaccine came out,

702
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,199
and as soon as it started getting mass distribution in

703
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,800
twenty one, all of a sudden, the story started coming out.

704
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,519
These schools being shut down, what's the impact, look at

705
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:58,159
the suicide rate, look at therapist's office getting inundated with

706
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,800
parents saying, my kids are not who they were six

707
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,920
months ago. So in all of that, and I hope

708
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,159
I didn't go long on that. I am processing myself,

709
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,840
and it was I think it was like winter, like

710
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:20,639
late twenty twenty, and I was looking through I was

711
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,519
actually kind of paging through down the Fairway that Bobby

712
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:25,840
Jones wrote nineteen twenty seven. And I don't do this.

713
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,079
I don't pick up my great granddad's books and just

714
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,639
read them. It was just an impulse maybe passing time,

715
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,960
and I kind of started seeing some of the things

716
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,320
that he was referencing in the book. And then I

717
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,119
went back into the numerous quotes that I've acquired over

718
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:44,559
time and that you can find on just by googling

719
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:47,840
Bobby Jones quotes, and I started seeing like this pattern

720
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:54,760
in this message. And what I saw was that Bobby Jones,

721
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,360
with that intelligence that he had, really understood how much

722
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:03,800
golf was teaching us about life and even vice versa.

723
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,239
And he did not have a mentally easy time with

724
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:13,880
his fame. And I do think, and I think Bob

725
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,039
Jones for would agree, part of the contributing decision making

726
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:25,239
of nineteen thirty retiring was exhaustion of trying to live

727
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,280
up to the sports world's expectation that he never wanted

728
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:35,199
to have anyway, he just loved the game. But I'm

729
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,119
looking at the quotes and I have this idea that

730
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,440
hits my mind, and I'm like, all right, I need

731
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,480
to talk to a sports psychologist about this. And I

732
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:50,599
got introduced to a sports psychologist out of Chicago who

733
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:53,800
was at the time and maybe still the sports psychologist

734
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,639
for the White SOX and he took my call and

735
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:00,360
I said, you know, kind of explain to them the

736
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,920
whole situation. I said, I'm looking at this idea and

737
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,679
I have just a couple questions to ask you. He said,

738
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,559
fire away. I said, all right. Question one, are there

739
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,199
specific mental and emotional responses that take place on the

740
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:19,199
golf course turn around the golf yes? I said, okay.

741
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:26,239
Question two, Are those exact same mental and emotional responses

742
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:30,239
also found in the course of real life? And he

743
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,519
kind of giggled and said yes. And I said, all right,

744
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,639
Question three. If I were to take a young golfer

745
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:42,800
and show them those specific mental and emotional responses on

746
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,639
the golf course and teach them how technique and discipline

747
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,480
how to work through those, could they take that exact

748
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:56,719
same technique and discipline and apply it to the real

749
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,519
life situation that's creating the same mental and emotional spots.

750
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,960
And he's just kind of laughed and he said one

751
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:09,159
hundred percent. He said, that's called experiential learning. So that

752
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,039
took me to a six month process of creating a

753
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:15,400
five oh one C three, launching the concept, starting to

754
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,559
build a team. I was later that year introduced to

755
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:23,519
Carla Steingraber out of also out of Chicago, and we

756
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:29,199
have now created a program called Change your Course and

757
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:36,480
this is what we're doing. We're literally going to golf clubs, organizations, tournaments, whatever,

758
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,679
college teams, anything, because the age group is twelve to

759
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:44,880
twenty two years old, and we're identifying these situations that

760
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,440
these kids or young adults are going through on the

761
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,119
golf course. We're using that as the communication tool to say,

762
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:54,719
where do you feel like this in real life? And

763
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,280
how are you addressing it in real life? And if

764
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,519
I can, if I've just showed you out to work

765
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:04,360
through first t jitters, can you take that same practice

766
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,760
and use it when you have your class presentation next

767
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,840
week or when you have your job interview.

768
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: This is all falling into place for you. It's beautiful.

769
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:25,159
I'm really fascinated. What was the quote that jumped out

770
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:29,079
of your grandfather's book, great grandfather's book that made you

771
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,880
see the parallel and an opportunity.

772
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:40,119
Speaker 4: It was a series of quotes and my favorite, favorite favorite,

773
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,719
and I wish I had it in front of me.

774
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:47,840
It's not now. The one everybody knows is the game

775
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,599
of golf is like the game of life. You get

776
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,199
bad breaks from good shots, you get good breaks from

777
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:54,519
bad shots, but you have to play the ball as

778
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:58,400
it lies. And that is by far that's the universal one.

779
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,280
But there's another one that he talks about, and I'm

780
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,840
trying to in the game of golf, I suppose also

781
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:12,159
in the game of life. I'm trying to think how

782
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:16,480
it goes, but it essentially it says one must do

783
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:23,360
one's own reasoned and resolute best, whether the prospect be

784
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:28,559
bleak or rosie. That one shook me or just got

785
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:33,480
me where it's in his intellectual way of saying something

786
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,320
with the word selection he used, but doing one's own

787
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:45,159
reason and resolute best, whether the prospect be bleak or rosie,

788
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:48,639
as long as you do your best, as long as

789
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,719
you have prepared, as long as you have put your

790
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,960
time in, as long as your expectations are in right alignment.

791
00:50:56,559 --> 00:51:00,880
Then whether the prospect the outcome is not what you

792
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:06,280
wanted or beyond what you wanted, you have to be

793
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,559
disciplined on how you're taking that approach. I found that

794
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:14,719
one to be so monumental, and I'm sorry that I

795
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,880
didn't put it all together, but it's that's the core.

796
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,159
Once he introduces it is that is that message reasoned

797
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,880
and resolute best, And that word reason to me, fred

798
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:30,360
was the part that everything that we've done in youth

799
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:34,599
golf since I've started this, this is the biggest thing

800
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:40,840
that student athletes are coming across, and that is coaches, parents, friends,

801
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:49,679
results giving them unrealistic expectation. So that word reasoned and

802
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,559
resolute best I translate that as you you as long

803
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:58,079
as you're being realistic with yourself. So I cannot go

804
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:01,480
out to the golf course tomorrow with an absolute expectation

805
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:06,559
of shooting seventy two if I've never broken eighty. But

806
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,719
you have this of all the things that were addressing

807
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,519
through the program, and parents are a big part of it,

808
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,360
what we're having to really unfold and uncover and dissect

809
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:27,119
is this kid has a completely disconnected expectation and he's

810
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,440
not or she's not going to be able to accept

811
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:34,039
the bleak outcome. They're only going to be able to

812
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:37,800
accept the rosy outcome. And I think that one, to

813
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,840
me was where seeing how we've developed the program and learning.

814
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,719
I mean, I went into psychology one oh one when

815
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,559
I decided to do this, but this was the one

816
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:52,159
where I was like, this is so treatable because all

817
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,719
this is is creating anxiety and depression and letdowns and

818
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,519
all of these emotions based off of someone's expectation being

819
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:04,800
aligned with their ability to do their reason and resolute best.

820
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:05,840
Do that makes sense?

821
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,039
Speaker 2: Yeah? Powerful? Yeah, very powerful. What age kids are you

822
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:10,599
working with?

823
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 4: So we really right now we're focusing on twelve to

824
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,639
twenty two, mainly because a lot of these issues that

825
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,840
tend to be compared from the golf course to the

826
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,800
real life situation our adolescent and young adult issues. It's

827
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,480
also where the numbers are staggering. But we also know

828
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,320
that the best way that you could get really into

829
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,679
this is start the education process at eight to ten

830
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,079
years old, So I think that'll be like a phase

831
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:47,039
two for us. However, our solution right now on that is,

832
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,000
let's start talking to the parents of the eight year old,

833
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:53,920
nine year old, ten year old golfer. Don't worry about

834
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,079
educating the golfer yet. They're not mentally developed enough to

835
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,519
really understand how dis ruptive their mind can be on

836
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:07,719
their trajectory towards adulthood. But adulthood, but their parents are.

837
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,639
And it's a lot of times we're not intending to

838
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,360
misalign or misdirect our child. God, we get so in

839
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,840
the moment, and we're so even ourselves. We care so

840
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,519
much about what other people think, much more so than

841
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:26,639
twenty or thirty years ago. So little Johnny at eight

842
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,360
years old has to start winning these golf tournaments. That's

843
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,760
where you start seeing the problem. So if we can

844
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,559
get to the parents at that age and then let

845
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:39,480
the kids take on the program when they hit twelve

846
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:41,119
years old, that would be our win.

847
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: Amazing.

848
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: And so the change your course curriculum. What kind of

849
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:54,400
training does your educators have to go through on that?

850
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:57,719
And are you using PGA professionals to do this or

851
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:03,599
are you using teachers or psychologist? And what's your recruiting process.

852
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:05,800
I'm sorry for three questions in a row, but I.

853
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 4: Think it's okay. And that's the beauty about this year

854
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:14,159
is last year in twenty twenty three, we ran programs

855
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,880
and predominantly that was me and Carlo stein Graber, the psychologist,

856
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,199
and then we would have a PGA professional. In a

857
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,360
couple of situations, we tried it without golf presence because

858
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,480
I got to one point where I was like, they're

859
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:33,280
getting so consumed with the golf result, I didn't feel

860
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,440
like we were getting the life message. So I said,

861
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,079
let's remove a golf instructor from the program to see

862
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:43,639
how it does. And it did well. But to the

863
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,119
question last year became how do we take this from

864
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:50,960
hitting one hundred and twenty kids a year to getting

865
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:56,239
this into the thousands, which is the question behind that

866
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,920
is how do you scale? And what we have created

867
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:05,239
it is a certification program that someone can train themselves

868
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,480
into a club, can just hire us in for a

869
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:14,199
day long program, let their instructor participate. If the instructor

870
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:17,119
likes how the program works and what they want to do,

871
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:21,199
they can get certified, pay a license to the nonprofit

872
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:26,199
and they go and run the program we have. I'm

873
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:28,000
so excited. On the talent side, I'm so glad you

874
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:33,639
asked it. So the first moment that I went this

875
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:38,719
is this is actually true? This is coming true was

876
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,320
last September a fundraiser that we did up in Chicago,

877
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:46,840
and we were fortunate to have one of the participants

878
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,800
as a member of Madina, and we asked that participant

879
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,320
if they could possibly get someone out of the golf

880
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,400
group to come and just hear the story. And see

881
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,639
the message, see the program. And that was Eva Rogers.

882
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:06,559
And Eva is an instructor at Madina. She's a top

883
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:11,039
fifty golf digest. I mean, her accolades are just unbelievable.

884
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,920
She actually taught Onnica's kids how to play golf because

885
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:21,039
she was down at Lake Nona before Madinah. Once I

886
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:25,760
saw Eva engage and then you know, kind of going

887
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,719
through the fall of last year, going I hope we

888
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:33,519
don't lose her, but the opposite happened. She started providing

889
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:38,400
us incredibly value, a valuable input. She's created some of

890
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,239
the drills and exercises, which is a tough thing to do,

891
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,880
Fred if you think about it, coming up with a

892
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,000
drill or an exercise to practice chipping, practice, putting high chips,

893
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:51,400
pitches or whatever. That's one thing when you're trying to

894
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,840
work on the mental game, you have to find a

895
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:59,000
way to simulate that emotion. So my example of that

896
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,559
would be, first tea jitters, which is nerves, that's heart rate,

897
00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:06,280
that's out of breath, that's sweat. I'll give everybody this

898
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,360
one for free. Do calisthenics on the driving range. Get

899
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,639
your heart rate up, run up and down, get anything

900
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:16,440
going walk up to that ball and hit the drive.

901
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,480
And if you do that repetition, repetition, repetition, do three

902
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:24,320
drives every time you're on the driving range. In that

903
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,559
situation and having your body get comfortable swinging that golf club,

904
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:33,519
you're going to be so much more effective addressing those

905
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:37,360
jitters on the first t of a Tournament's amazing. It

906
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,280
was things like that that Eva brought in. And then

907
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,880
we've also got we've got a golf committee and another

908
00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:50,599
really well represented PGA certified professional, Nick Bova out of

909
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:53,079
Hamilton Farm and Nick.

910
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:58,039
Speaker 1: Curious, does your program as you change your course program,

911
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,639
does it compete or come lament First T.

912
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:07,519
Speaker 4: Uh. This is a really it does not compete. Definitely

913
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:10,559
a compliment. But what's really neat that I learned through

914
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:13,559
communication with First T and then the First T chapter

915
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:18,440
here in Greensboro, North Carolina. First T Central Central Carolina's

916
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,159
the CEO, Ryan Wilson, was actually down at First T Corporate.

917
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:26,440
Before he came up. He introduced me or notified me

918
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,480
that they have a part of their program called Bridge

919
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,119
to Life. So they'll end a lesson and they'll ask

920
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:37,039
the kids, now, with what you've learned today, how would

921
00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:40,119
you apply it to life? And he said, and then

922
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:43,639
that's kind of it. You get them to recognize that,

923
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,480
you know, they're learning manners and they're learning, you know,

924
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:48,519
take your hat off in the building and things of

925
00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:51,280
that nature. He was like, you're picking up right there.

926
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:54,639
He was like, it's just natural. We're not here, and

927
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,880
I don't mean to be so blunt with it. Our

928
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,719
objective is not to put the golf club in someone's hand.

929
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,639
Our objective is, if the golf club is in someone's hand,

930
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:06,599
and I don't care if they're a twenty five handicap

931
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,639
or a plus four, is how can you use this

932
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:14,519
sport you love to better off the golf course. So

933
01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:19,679
what we say is we are delivering a program on

934
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:24,039
the mental game through the game of golf for the

935
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:27,599
game of life. I love that your golf game is

936
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,239
going to get better, but what I care about is

937
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:33,079
how are you performing and how are you changing how

938
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:35,639
you're living your life off the golf course. That's what

939
01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:36,320
we want to see.

940
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: The result on incredible.

941
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:44,079
Speaker 1: How do people find you online and social media stories?

942
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:45,119
Speaker 2: Where do we find more?

943
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:53,239
Speaker 4: Generationnextproject dot org is the official website we're most active.

944
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,599
We use Instagram the most that I'm aging myself on

945
01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:01,559
our TikTok lack of TikTok present, but I'm sure we'll

946
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,880
add into that as well. But our Instagram handle is

947
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:11,079
Generation Underscore Next Underscore Project, so we'd love to have

948
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:15,440
some followers there. But the official website is the best

949
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,480
place we have all the information. There you can learn

950
01:01:18,519 --> 01:01:21,519
more about the actual content and what a one day

951
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:24,480
program looks like, what a two day program looks like,

952
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:25,039
et cetera.

953
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:28,039
Speaker 2: And the website is Generationnext dot.

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Speaker 4: Com, Generationnext Project, dot org. Yeah remember yeah dot org.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Robert, thank you so much for doing that work,

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first of all, and for and I wish you all

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the success that you can reaching the people that you

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need to reach and the children that you need to

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reach and the parents hopefully they'll understand it too.

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Speaker 2: But I also really.

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Speaker 1: Touched and really moved by your family story and.

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Speaker 2: How you're carrying the legacy along. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're welcome, And let me just say to you also,

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congratulations on the amazing work you've done. I know you

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are surpassing a thousand episodes, which I can't imagine what

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that means to you. I think that when I was

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introduced to you, and I already knew about the Golf

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Smarter brand. It's such a natural thing to talk about.

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Golf is such a challenge and the parting Bobby Jones

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quote the most important distance is the five and a

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half inches between your ears, and you have a whole

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podcast about it. So good job and congrats on surpassing

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on thousand