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welcome in the greatest head coach in bou basketball history.

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We got Dave Rose on the last Dave, how you

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live in March madness, the most wonderful time of the year.

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Speaker 5: Well, guys, I'm doing well. We're We're in Saint George today,

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the sun shining. It's going to be in the nineties

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in the middle of March, which is kind of interesting.

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But I'm enjoying, enjoying the game so far. And we

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got back from Kansas City. We went to the Big

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Twelve Tournament, and that will be pretty hard to top.

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I mean, that tournament's as good as any tournament in

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college basketball. And I'm that's the second year in a

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row I've been to it. I really like going there.

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You see some really good teams, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: You make a really interesting point to start off this interview.

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There's been talk from certain teams, from certain new teams

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right new coaching stats that are part of the Big Twelve.

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They say, hey, we're gonna move the Big Twelve Tournament

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to Vegas. I say, keep it in Kansas City.

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Speaker 3: They do. They do an awesome job there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's all in on Big Twelve Tournament basketball there.

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Speaker 3: But give me your thoughts on it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you'll have a hard time ripping that

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thing out of the Midwest. You they've they I think

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they voted a renewed that contract maybe a year ago

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or so, and I'm thinking there for another eight or

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nine years. I don't know that for sure, but that's

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kind of what I've heard. You know, Vegas tries to

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get them all because they have the attraction to bring

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all the tourists to Vegas. But I think I think

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that Big twelve may be hard to rip away from

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those guys. And I know if you ask the Iowa

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State fans and the Kansas fans, they sure don't want

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it to move, that's for sure, because the Iowa State

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games and the Kansas games, you know, early in those tournaments,

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it's amazing how they come out to support their teams,

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Speaker 2: Dave, you have the records, is the head coach of

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b YU for most consecutive Burth appearances in in the

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NCAA tournament. You know, it's it's a it's a feat

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that you know, why may may be able to top.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: We're on a bit of a role here right now

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with a you know, there's a lot of resource allocation, uh,

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Speaker 2: But you know, explain to me what that feat meant

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to you to have consecutive year after year after year

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going to the Big Dance and not just you know,

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just getting there, but winning games as well. What did

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that mean to you as a as a head coach

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and as a staff that you had put together and

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these teams you put together.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that that was one of the one

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of the real goals of mind, as you know, became

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but I followed obviously BYU basketball for years and and

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it's so hard to be really consistent, you know, with

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your teams being really good year after year after year

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of your roster with missions and kids you know, leaving

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you know, so you're always trying to build that. The

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transfer portal was totally different. You know, kids didn't want

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to transfer near as much because they hadn't set out

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a whole year from playing competitively in the teams, and

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injuries or you got issues. It's hard to fix your

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roster over the summer, you know, because you're really you

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you're trying to sign out of high school. So I

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don't know if you can compare it to today's world

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where you can go get your get ahead coaching job

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at all, fifteen of your kids leave and you put

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your team together and the next thing, you know, seven

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to eight months later, you're in the NCAA tournament. Because

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mix of different type of players to put your roster

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winning year after year after year. And I will tell

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you this, getting to the NCAA tournament, UH is way

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different than winning in the NCAA tournament. I mean we

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went to the SCAA tournament three or four years before

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we won our first game, and my I goodness that

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that that creates more pressure to get in the tournament

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and not win year after year more than not getting

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into the tournament itself, and that year we ended up

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beating Florida and over time, I think we were in

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Oklahoma City that year and my goodness, that was a

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big win. And I think we got a couple more

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wins after that, but that first one was a big

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CUAA tournaments and you lost in the first round in

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all three ventures.

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Speaker 3: But you didn't get very good draws. I mean, like

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Speaker 2: It was like, we're gonna relegate you to the most

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difficult games, uh, and the most difficult opponents in this

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Thursday Saturday type of bracket. It always felt like they

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wanted you guys out and and then sometimes they actually

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put you in the Sunday bracket, so they really wanted

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you guys out ace apps that they didn't have to

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reschedule anybody.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the the no Sunday play for BYU is not

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any type of advantage in that NAA tournament. They they

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don't like that committee does not like being told what

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they have to do. And when BYU comes in and

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qualifies or or gets close to the you know, get

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invited into the tournament, they have asterisk by their name.

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him happy. I remember when we were when I was

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on Steve Cleveland staff, we made the three tournaments. We

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played Cincinnati, we played Syracuse, and we played Connecticut. So

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they had uh some pretty good traditional powers of the

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Speaker 2: Well, let me let me interject here. I think in

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ended up winning the Natty. It was like inverse right,

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they had ameccha Oka for the best player in college basketball, right,

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and then I believe it was uh mechnamara that went

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Speaker 3: And I think.

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Speaker 2: Beaheim has listed has has actually said that McNamara is

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like one of his favorite players all time. They want

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he was like the gimmer for dad of Syracuse at

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that time, that's how good he was.

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Speaker 3: So you guys got tough for Oss.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Ben Ben Gordon wasn't a bad player either. Kids

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for Yukon, and so you know, we I learned a

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lot as an assistant for Steve watching how that that

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tournament you know, kind of was put together. And I

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the number one seed my senior year, and the seeding

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really matters. It really matters in your ability to be successful.

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other teams or ten other teams or twelve other teams

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didn't do it that year and the one team did

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do it. And so if you're always expected to be,

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win and uh, and it it really took a lot

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean those three years in the in the Cleveland era,

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you got twelve seeds every single time. It's hard to had,

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it was like three consecutive eight seeds, and then you

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two thousand and nine, twenty ten, and then finally that

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three seed in twenty ten, twenty eleven, which gave you

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a better path to get to your your Sweet sixteen

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then I think since then, uh well coach

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before nil showed up. But now you know the way

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it works now. I think that that really, you know,

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and and and and and put your the seedings decide.

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have had the injuries that they had, you know that

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anywhere from a two to four seed you know this year,

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look at this and cheer for their team and cheer

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for the Cougars with the real you know, realistically believing

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that they and you know, make the Sweet sixteen every year.

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to that, that that spot in the tournament. I think

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your chances are making it, uh are obviously much better,

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than a kind of a pipe dream, you know, something

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you hope for, you know.

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Speaker 2: Dave, outside of that sweet sixteen run, and we all

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Speaker 3: Most you know, just enjoyable, uh.

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Speaker 2: You know year for you as a head coach, but

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outside of that that jimmer for that Jimmermania era.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think that every year is really

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everything sells down a week or two or a month

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later and you think back on your team, you're you're

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really appreciate, you know what those kids gave you for

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that year, and I mean exciting times. You remember, I

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remember the the time we got sent to Dayton and

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we got down twenty five or twenty six points, you

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know before the game started, and ended up coming back

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and winning the game. And uh, and then we went

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to Dayton again and we you know, we we came

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with with no way we're going to get down twenty

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five this time, so we got up twenty five and

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then we ended up losing the game. And so, I mean,

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we've had a lot of different experiences as far as

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postseason is concerned. We had a couple of good n

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T runs where we made it back to you know,

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Madison Square Garden and but you know, the postseason is

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a is a really uh special time with your team

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because it's it's a reward for how much work you've

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put into it and for the success that you've earned.

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the last once you get beat, that's the last time

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that grew is going to be together. So there's a

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lot of emotions that you're going to see kind of

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come through that TV here in the next couple of

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weeks on every team, because it's it's really a it's

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a it's just kind of a heart wrenching the you know,

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a time of year and only one team is going

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to get what they really want, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: What are the key differentiators actually winning in March outside

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of seating. I think that's a big one, right, But

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what would you say, kind of putting your finger on something,

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say hey, like this is what allowed us to survive

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in advance, uh in in these scenarios and and and

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get past at least the first round.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of a lot of what really

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is so important is the health of your team. And

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there's a lot of teams out there that are playing

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right now, uh not at one hundred percent, and they

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may have all their players, but their players aren't all right.

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You know, they're all and injuries and they're all dealing

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with issues. And then you obviously you know the teams

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that are you know, down players by us down some players,

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dukes down some players. You know, you see, I think

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Arkansas Alabama lost the player the other day. I mean,

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to have all your players and to be healthy is

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a real key. Arizona's down a couple of players. I

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think they got a kid hurt in the Big twelve tournament.

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So I think that's a really big factor, and it's

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it's something that isn't really advertised I don't think your

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coaches out go out and advertise, you know, how many

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hours a day that this guy's in the training room

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and that guy's in the training room trying to get

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put together so that he can be out there. But

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the healthier team is really important this time of the year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty massive.

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Speaker 2: Look I look back at you know, some of your

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runs and like, you know, health concerns and and it

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always seems like there was like this little like a

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little injury here or there that that deviated her, or

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some roster attrition here there that deviated the course. Right,

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And Uh, you gotta have a little luck on your

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on your side, is what I'm getting at.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we we we went to UH a turn. I

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think I think we played Oregon somewhere, I can't remember

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where it was. Well, we played Oregon in the first

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round without Kyle Collinsworth, who was our leading score and

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are leading assist guy, because he blew out his knee

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and UH in the w CC tournament. So but for

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the most part, I think for UH to be late

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in the year, I think I think we were pretty

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pretty healthy. Tyler has got hurt late in the season

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among the year kind of limped in with him. But

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it's I if you really could sit down and talk

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with coaches and they would actually tell you the truth,

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you know, which you never will get to that point

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because everybody protects themselves. But if they would, they would

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I think they would really talk a lot about the

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health of their team because going into the tournament.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, give me some keys to this game.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've watched any Texas ball or

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you're able to catch that playing game with Texas Versidence State,

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But what are some of the keys to the game.

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Do you think for b YU to come out victorious

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over the Longhorns this go around?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the pace of the game will be

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really important. You know, b YU likes an up temple

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pace and and Texas will they'll try to slow you down.

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I mean, we played John Miller a few times when

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at we played him in Kentucky and Lexington in the tournament,

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and then we played them when he was at Arizona

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and Sean. He's a hard nosed guy. He likes to hell.

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They'll guard you really hard, they'll try to really control

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the pace. They're playing really fast, this year and uh,

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and so I think the tempo of the game, if

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we can get the game up and down the floor,

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I think that that will be the b why use

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advantage obviously, you know, with them playing the game just

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twenty four hours ago or forty eight hours ago, their

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size will be a real factor. I think that that

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that they'll really pound that ball at the baskets or

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our three big guys will probably have to use all

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their fouls and be really physical and it'll be really

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uh uh, you know, kind of a game that's really

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tough around the rim. But hopefully that you know, A

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j and Rob are both you know, playing well offensively,

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because that's those are obviously our two best offensive players.

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And we have options besides that. But it's uh, but

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those two have to be solid for for for for

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us to win all the as many games as we

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can win in this tournament.

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Speaker 2: Dave Rose the Goat to the Big Dance five times

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in a row. He went to the Big Dance, it

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seemed every single year as he was coaching up the

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BYU Cougars and gives you his keys to the game. Here, Dave,

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we're up against the break, but always a pleasure, always

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a blessing, talking ball with you, enjoy all the games.

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I want to see your bracket. Could you put out

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your official bracket for us so we can follow it

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like we should be doing like this BYU celebrity bracket

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thing where we're following it.

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Speaker 3: Did you fill out a bracket?

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Speaker 5: By the way, our family has always done one, and

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so yeah, I put one together this year.

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Speaker 3: Would you post it? Would you post or send it

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to me? Send it to me to post. I want

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to see this there.

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Speaker 5: Last year I got really tricky and I thought I

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could outthink the committee, and this year I kind of

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I went with the higher seat on every game. So

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we'll go. It's quite They do a lot of work

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try to put this thing together, and so I trusted

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them a lot this year.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well it could be chocked this year, no

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doubt about it. Dave.

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Speaker 2: We salute you, We appreciate you man. Thanks for hopping

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on and talking some ball.

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Speaker 3: With us today.

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Speaker 5: Okay, thanks a lot, guys.

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Speaker 2: There you go, there's Dave Rose, ladies and gentlemen, and

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that's our show. We got tip off now. VYU men's

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basketball taking on the Texas Longhorn first round of the

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NC DOUAA Tournament.

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Speaker 3: There's already been ups and downs.

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Speaker 2: There's been shocks and oz in the NCAA tournament thus far.

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Hopefully BYU gets the dub versus Longhorns, Big COUGARO everyone

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