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<v Speaker 1>Joining you and I now.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, Reds Baseball kicks off about six ten

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<v Speaker 2>the night the Reds are in Atlanta with the Braves.

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<v Speaker 2>But until then, more important events are transpiring Thursday and Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Joan you and I now is the Chief of Police

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<v Speaker 2>of the City of Cincinnati. Chief Thiji held the news

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<v Speaker 2>conference last week with Charmaine McGuffey, who's going to join

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<v Speaker 2>us later, and once again Chief of Police Fiji. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, Chief,

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<v Speaker 2>can you tell me what you can about the events

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<v Speaker 2>that transpire Thursday and Friday and what impact this has

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<v Speaker 2>had on law enforcement, not just in Cincinnati or Hamley County,

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<v Speaker 2>but throughout the tri state.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, thanks for having me, Bill. So As I reported

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<v Speaker 3>out at the press conference on Friday, this was the

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<v Speaker 3>first incident involved the stolen vehicle, where four individuals ran

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<v Speaker 3>from the car the officers chased home. One was armed

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<v Speaker 3>with a firearm and confronted an officer. The officer viewed

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<v Speaker 3>that hints is at the Ryan Hinton's possession of the

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<v Speaker 3>firearm as a threat, discharged his firearm and unfortunately mister

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<v Speaker 3>Hinton succumbed to his injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, lie circle the globe before before truth and

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<v Speaker 2>take his first step. And some are saying in social

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<v Speaker 2>media that there's not a clear video shot of actually

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Hinton pointing his nine millimeter with an extended meg

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<v Speaker 2>at the police officer, which was an event that took

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<v Speaker 2>place probably in less than two seconds. Is it fair

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<v Speaker 2>to say that there's not a direct video or a

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<v Speaker 2>snapshot of Ryan Hinton actually pointing the weapon at the

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<v Speaker 2>police officer.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that fair to say? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I will say, Bill, I think one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most valuable tools in law enforcement in my

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<v Speaker 3>career his the body worn camera. It has proven facts

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<v Speaker 3>for us many many times in law enforcement all across

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<v Speaker 3>the country. In this incident, we do not have a

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<v Speaker 3>crystal clear still photo of mister Hinton pointing a firearm

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<v Speaker 3>at the officer. However, what we do have is mister

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<v Speaker 3>Hinton running from a vehicle with a firearm in hand.

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<v Speaker 3>He stumbles, he still has the firearm in hand. He

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<v Speaker 3>runs between the two dumpsters, comes out at the officer's

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<v Speaker 3>position where the officers positioned, and once mister Hinton was

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<v Speaker 3>sustained his injuries, the firearm was still in his possession

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<v Speaker 3>and was located near his body. So while we may

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<v Speaker 3>not have a crystal clear photo, we have the facts

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<v Speaker 3>prior to his injuries and the facts after his injuries

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<v Speaker 3>that support he was in fact armed with a firearm.

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<v Speaker 3>That along with the officer's interview that said he saw

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<v Speaker 3>a firearm in mister Hinton's hand, pointed in his direction

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<v Speaker 3>and he feared for his life and that's why he

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<v Speaker 3>fired his weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there around in the chamber.

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<v Speaker 3>That is all still up to for investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill.

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<v Speaker 3>That is all still being handled by our criminalistics and

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<v Speaker 3>the Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office. I'm not going to comment

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<v Speaker 3>on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there a second gun in the car that was

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<v Speaker 2>stolen the Kia? Was the gun in the possession of

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Hinton one of the two guns?

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<v Speaker 3>That is correct? There was a second stolen firearm that

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<v Speaker 3>whoever had that one when they ran from the vehicle,

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<v Speaker 3>they left that behind inside the stolen Kia.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Social media may say there's some purposeful intent not to

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<v Speaker 2>show the moment where the weapon was pointed. As I

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<v Speaker 2>understand it, we're dealing for how much time elapsed from

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<v Speaker 2>the time the officer said gun, gun, gun, And at

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<v Speaker 2>that point you're trained to pull out your weapon at

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<v Speaker 2>that point, because gun gun gun means you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in serious situation. How much time elaps from the

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<v Speaker 2>time the officer said gun gun gun until the fatal

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<v Speaker 2>shot was fired into the body of Ryan Hinton?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it a short period of time?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Six seconds? Six seconds?

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<v Speaker 2>That goes quick, and you referenced this Chief Thiji that

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<v Speaker 2>I can recall many years ago, the police in Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>did not like having body cams because it was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>this is too intrusive in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it extremely valuable to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Able to show the video almost in real time to

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<v Speaker 2>demonstrate the actions of the police officers. Isn't this a

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<v Speaker 2>critical element that shows the community that well exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>happened instead of words on a page. Anyone can look

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<v Speaker 2>at the video camp put themselves in the position of

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<v Speaker 2>that police officer and say what would you do? Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>the video cam I'm a critical part of this entire investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely? It is, absolutely, it is critical. It shows as

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<v Speaker 3>much of the story as we can tell, and then

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<v Speaker 3>you have to add to that storyline the witnesses accounts

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<v Speaker 3>of what happened, being in this case being the officers.

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<v Speaker 1>And Chief Fiji.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as showing the video cam to the family

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<v Speaker 2>in the past, that wasn't always done subject to a

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<v Speaker 2>grand jury subpoena until all the information is out. Why

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<v Speaker 2>did you and the city administration make a decision to

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<v Speaker 2>show the video of the officer's bodycam to the family,

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<v Speaker 2>including Rodney Hinton? Why was that decision made as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to waiting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? So, actually, Bill, this is something that Chief Isaac

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<v Speaker 3>started when he was here, and it is a very

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<v Speaker 3>difficult conversation to have with somebody's loved one to tell

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<v Speaker 3>them the facts of what occurred and show them the video. However,

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<v Speaker 3>as difficult as that conversation is, I think it is

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<v Speaker 3>extremely valuable so that one the family doesn't start hearing rumors,

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<v Speaker 3>that they hear facts from us first, and two that

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<v Speaker 3>they do not for the very first time see the

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<v Speaker 3>footage on the local news. I would never want to

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<v Speaker 3>be in that position as a mother or a wife,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would never want to put anybody else in

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<v Speaker 3>that position either. The least I can do for them

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<v Speaker 3>is meet with them, offer my condolences and tell them

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<v Speaker 3>what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Monday back.

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<v Speaker 2>Monday morning quarterbacking is always one hundred percent accurate. Is

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<v Speaker 2>there any sense that the father, Rodney Hinton. Media reports

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<v Speaker 2>indicate that he left that meeting the next day quickly

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<v Speaker 2>in a rage. Can you comment on whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>the father expressed outrage at the killing of a son

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<v Speaker 2>by the police officer or are you present for them?

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<v Speaker 3>I was there when mister Hinton left the room. I

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<v Speaker 3>did not see him or view him in any type

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<v Speaker 3>of a rage. He stepped out. It was a difficult

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<v Speaker 3>conversation to hear. You know, his son was no longer

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<v Speaker 3>with him, and so it was a very difficult conversation

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<v Speaker 3>for him to hear, and he chose to leave the room,

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<v Speaker 3>which is understandable.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he express outrage of the police for killing his son.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to get into that now, Bill, because

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<v Speaker 3>this is still an ongoing investigation, and I'll just leave

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<v Speaker 3>it at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, was there You had no sense that this meeting

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<v Speaker 2>with the family that something ugly was about you. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't express any verbal threats against police when he left

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<v Speaker 2>the room.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, I'm not going to get into anything that occurred

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<v Speaker 3>inside that room other than the fact that we shared

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<v Speaker 3>the video with him in the facts of the incident.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Chief teachs you, what message would you give

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<v Speaker 2>to the community at large, because these are difficult days.

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<v Speaker 2>I would assume the funeral of Ryan Hinton's going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen in the next few days. I would assume the

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<v Speaker 2>funeral of Deputy Sheriff Larry Henderson, who gave his life

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<v Speaker 2>for all of us, is going to be held.

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<v Speaker 1>What message would the Chief of Police of Cincinnati give

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<v Speaker 1>to the community.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, actually I have several messages Bill. One is, I

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<v Speaker 3>offer my condolences both to the Hinton family as well

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<v Speaker 3>as Deputy Henderson's family. No matter what you think of

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<v Speaker 3>these incidents, people lost individuals who they loved and that

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<v Speaker 3>is extremely unfortunate. The other message that I have is

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<v Speaker 3>asking for calm in our city, asking for calm. Let

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<v Speaker 3>the emotions that your emotions aside and let this play out,

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<v Speaker 3>let the investigations play out. And then thirdly, Bill is actually,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, these were young individuals in a stolen car

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<v Speaker 3>with at least one stolen firearm, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>police this is what we've encounter way too often nowadays,

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<v Speaker 3>way too often, and so I think it's incumbent upon parents, guardians,

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<v Speaker 3>whomever to know what the youth are getting into where

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<v Speaker 3>are they, what are they doing, who are they with?

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<v Speaker 3>And just be more present and try to stop this

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<v Speaker 3>type of behavior by our youth.

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<v Speaker 2>Lastly, about a minute remaining, Chief Thji. Wearing the uniform today,

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<v Speaker 2>it's always difficult. None of us put forth the risk

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<v Speaker 2>of life or death by wearing a particular uniform, unless

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<v Speaker 2>you're a police officer, unless you're FBI deputy sheriffs. As

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<v Speaker 2>someone that's worn the uniform now for about thirty years,

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<v Speaker 2>I would assume as we speak this Monday afternoon, you

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<v Speaker 2>have the uniform arm, you have the since I police

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<v Speaker 2>uniform on your body. Do you feel targeted? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel different today than you've felt pre to Friday about

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<v Speaker 2>being targeted because of the uniform that you wear.

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<v Speaker 3>I personally do not feel targeted. Bill. I am very

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<v Speaker 3>very proud to put this uniform on it every day.

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<v Speaker 3>I love what I do for the men and women

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<v Speaker 3>of CPD and for this city. However, it is a

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<v Speaker 3>tough time emotionally for everybody who has some involvement in this,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, for our city, this is tragic incidents

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<v Speaker 3>that happened back to back. It's difficult to handle one

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<v Speaker 3>tragic incident, let alone two. But you know, our officers

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<v Speaker 3>are extremely resilient, extremely professional, and we will take care

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<v Speaker 3>of public safety business every day moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Chief Thichi, thanks for coming on. Social media is a

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<v Speaker 2>blaze with threats against police. I think having your eyes

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<v Speaker 2>on a swivel is important today and tomorrow and throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of this week, as always it should be.

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<v Speaker 2>But once again, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show,

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<v Speaker 2>Chief Thji, and I appreciate it very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Bill, Let's continue with more.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the chief of Police, of course of Cincinnati holding

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<v Speaker 2>a news conference, and the city's position these days are

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<v Speaker 2>to release the body cam immediately. And of course, when

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<v Speaker 2>the father saw the video cam within twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 2>of his son's death, in my view, he went out

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<v Speaker 2>seeking to murder a police officer literally ran in Deputy

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<v Speaker 2>Sheriff Larry Henderson. Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred WW