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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. This is part two of my interview with Amy,

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<v Speaker 1>recorded on location last September. In part one, we explored

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<v Speaker 1>the long and often brutal history of Dudley Castle and

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<v Speaker 1>the people who once walked its halls and beautiful grounds.

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode, we hear about more experiences, from strange

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<v Speaker 1>encounters and ongoing activity to the moments that make even

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<v Speaker 1>seasoned investigators stop and take notice. We dig deeper into

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<v Speaker 1>the ghosts and legends most closely associated with the castle

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<v Speaker 1>and the phenomena that continues to be reported by staff

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<v Speaker 1>and visitors alike. Now I Part one set the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Part two is where the hauntings truly.

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<v Speaker 2>Begin during the firing seventeen fifteen. Now, there's lots of

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theories as to why that fire happened. Okay. One

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<v Speaker 2>of them is that there was flower being stored too

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<v Speaker 2>close to open fires and combusting set the place light.

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<v Speaker 2>Another theory was it was coen forgers who had got

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<v Speaker 2>in at the bottom end of the castle and they

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<v Speaker 2>were smelting, using the pantry fireplace to smelt down metal

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<v Speaker 2>to make coinage.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, that's my theory, and I'll tell you why.

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<v Speaker 2>Because after the fire, and the family had left. The

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<v Speaker 2>family had left the castle. They'd gone to Himley, or

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<v Speaker 2>they were living at Imly, or they rented their parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the castle to local people. Rooms were left. There

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<v Speaker 2>was no sort of maintenance left up here. They were

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<v Speaker 2>just laying You could come and walk through any time.

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<v Speaker 1>Security, no security.

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<v Speaker 2>These coins forgers they reckon got in. Also, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a guy known locally as Castle Jacob, and Castle Jacob

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<v Speaker 2>was actually a hermit or a tramp, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>well known for being in and around the castle. It

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<v Speaker 2>turns out he was actually using a tunnel from underneath

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<v Speaker 2>the gates the warden's arch that run into the little

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<v Speaker 2>round building right in the corner of the of the

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<v Speaker 2>sampit the wood what they called the east watched. He

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<v Speaker 2>was using that to come and go. He was actually

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<v Speaker 2>living there for five years with nobody knowing he was there.

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<v Speaker 2>And he set up a little cobbling business and go

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<v Speaker 2>down into the tower, pick people's shoes up, take them

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<v Speaker 2>back men, take them back and get payment for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody knew.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody knew. The other theory was he was actually part

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<v Speaker 2>of this this purging plot. So the fire happened. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>knew why the fire happened, it was seen eight miles

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<v Speaker 2>away in the middle. On the twenty fourth of July,

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<v Speaker 2>it was seen eight miles away in the center of Birmingham,

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<v Speaker 2>massive fire. Malten lead in the roof, lead run down

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll see the black marking under the chapel window

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<v Speaker 2>when we go outside, and that is a score of

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<v Speaker 2>the fire. So the whole area was it looked like

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<v Speaker 2>a volcano going up. Nobody came up to put the

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<v Speaker 2>fire out. Yeah, because there was a rumor gunpowder was

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<v Speaker 2>being stored up here. You ain't going to come if

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<v Speaker 2>there's gunpowder. So it was actually put out by the

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<v Speaker 2>rain three days later. He burned three days and three

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<v Speaker 2>nights and that's recorded in the local parish registers. Earler

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<v Speaker 2>Dudley was just like, oh, well, this burned and let's

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<v Speaker 2>leave it. You know, it's whatever. And then about thirty

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<v Speaker 2>four years later, in seventeen eighty four, he just suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>decided he wanted to do a bit of a clean up,

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<v Speaker 2>so he sent his men up here and they discovered

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<v Speaker 2>a skeleton in the kitchen area. Around this skeleton was

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<v Speaker 2>crucibles ice metal, which proves the coin for forge theory,

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<v Speaker 2>and there is an article in the Barrows Worcester Journal

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<v Speaker 2>in November seventeen eighty four talking about this, talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the Skelington, talking about the base metal in the crucibll.

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<v Speaker 1>This was really found, yet really found.

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<v Speaker 2>Its documented. It is said that the Earl of Dudley

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<v Speaker 2>kept well, he kept the skeleton because they were Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>They were weird. As I teld to you earlier, they

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<v Speaker 2>kept the skeleton as a souvenir of the fire. So

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<v Speaker 2>he never was buried. And we have quite an angry

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<v Speaker 2>spirit that can push, pod and poke, and he gets

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<v Speaker 2>really close to you. I've experienced it. It stinks. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like whiskey and body and mixed together. It gets wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I was doing ghosts nights back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>I used to I used to say there is a

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<v Speaker 2>particular smell. You will smell it. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what it is. And people would smell.

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<v Speaker 1>It and they would confess.

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<v Speaker 2>That. And he's known to push and people. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I was sent up for a first daid in November.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was dead. There was nobody here, pardon

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<v Speaker 2>there was nobody here. A lady was walking through castle

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<v Speaker 2>creatures and said she was pushed over. There was nobody

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<v Speaker 2>else in there, So.

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<v Speaker 1>You're talking big polty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he is known to We think the mediums

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<v Speaker 2>have picked up on him and said he is angry.

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<v Speaker 2>He's very angry because he never got Christian burial that

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<v Speaker 2>he deserved it. He thought he deserved. We don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to this girling. I was just about the

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<v Speaker 2>Earl of Dudley took it. We having to clue what

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<v Speaker 2>happened to it.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that is absolutely chilling. Investigations, countless investigations here

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<v Speaker 1>has there been any any planning evidence?

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<v Speaker 2>Vs EVP is one of my favorite things ever because

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<v Speaker 2>there's sometimes when you get the intelligent answers when you're

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<v Speaker 2>asking questions. It's recorded and then you play it back

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<v Speaker 2>and it's given an intelligent answer. I've heard that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing a ghost it was it was during

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<v Speaker 2>COVID actually, and there was only six of us, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was Jane Harris helped my houses haunted. She was

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<v Speaker 2>here and a couple of others and they were under

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<v Speaker 2>a group called HD Paranormal at the time. And I

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<v Speaker 2>did some e vps in down in the Creatures and

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<v Speaker 2>one of the hosts. Craig said, do you know anybody here?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's clear as day of the name Amy. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>clearest Day come back. They recorded it and it was

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<v Speaker 2>like Amy. I was like, oh my god, wow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So EVPs are one of my favorite. We did it

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<v Speaker 2>all lady. It was all ladies in here, uh seance

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<v Speaker 2>all the science. It was like watch and wait. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just females. The males are gone and

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<v Speaker 2>we did EVPs and there was males voices being picked up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were saying names like James and things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and names that you couldn't associate with the Castle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, EVPs are, yeah, one of my favorite things.

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<v Speaker 2>And vps.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, you've been here for how long ago, twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>years now, twenty three years. You've seen people come and go.

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<v Speaker 1>You've obviously got very close friends here. What's the most

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<v Speaker 1>chilling would you say, an unexplainable experience that you or

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<v Speaker 1>any other member of the Castle and the zoological team

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<v Speaker 1>past or present, that they've ever had, that you've ever had.

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<v Speaker 2>My most chilling one was back in the sixty seventies

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<v Speaker 2>they used to challenge young keepers to spend the night

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<v Speaker 2>in here, in here, I mean, this room doesn't bother me.

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<v Speaker 2>I can sit quite comfortably in here three o'clock in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning on my own, in the dark. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>bother me.

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<v Speaker 1>Missus the chapel under cross this, as you said to me,

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<v Speaker 1>this was probably a more like a critic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but back in the day this used to be

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<v Speaker 2>house the aquarium here, Yeah, it was there was part

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<v Speaker 2>it was part of the aquarium. And things used to

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<v Speaker 2>happen in here. Things like doors would be open, keepers

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<v Speaker 2>are going lock the doors, go out and come back

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<v Speaker 2>and the doors will be open when they come in.

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<v Speaker 2>The front door would be open, or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of old spots, lots of cotspots, things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>things that couldn't explain, filters turned off when they shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have been, and things like that. And they used to

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<v Speaker 2>challenge young keepers when the keeper. This is local law

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<v Speaker 2>that when the new keepers started, they used to challenge

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<v Speaker 2>them to stay here in this room. Three keepers young

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<v Speaker 2>keepers decided to take up the challenge. Next morning they

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<v Speaker 2>were found in the bar down at the back, sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>on the high bales. So the then came out with

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<v Speaker 2>the zoo goes, what the hell are you doing on

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<v Speaker 2>the you're supposed to be sleeping in the undercroft and

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<v Speaker 2>the when we were sleeping in the undercross until we

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<v Speaker 2>had all the chanting coming from the back of the room,

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<v Speaker 2>we went outside and there was a figure walking down

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<v Speaker 2>the key steps. So then we decided to sleep again.

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<v Speaker 1>Chant So that ties in again with bunks. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a well known story of the chanting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We've Adrian Akadas who have stayed in this building complaining

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<v Speaker 2>that they've been kept up all night by the chanting

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the back. Wow. But like I say, that

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<v Speaker 2>would have been the way into this room. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned that down into the back.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you believe that the hauntings are residual energy from

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<v Speaker 1>the past or intelligent entities or something else entirely? And

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to lead into something that we've chatting.

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<v Speaker 2>Them both, Okay, I mean the little girl that I've seen, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Explained, would you would you go into that side? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I have spoke about this on another podcast. But I've

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<v Speaker 2>started doing ghost nights about well twenty three years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the very first I did was with

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<v Speaker 2>the group called Flight Nights. Okay, and there was about

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<v Speaker 2>seven of us in this room.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I just say. And I'm not doing this because

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<v Speaker 1>the microphones are switched on, and I'm not doing this

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<v Speaker 1>because we're doing a podcast. But I have just gone

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely freezing cold right here. I don't normally I'm not joking.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't normally get this, but I'm serious. I've just

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<v Speaker 1>pulled my sleeves down.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm talking about them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know, but I don't. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not usually affected by the cold.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're sort of in this room, the more you

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<v Speaker 2>can be talking like we're talking, you're ignoring them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just moving over to grab something. This is this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of live as we're doing it. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to cut I'm just going to get this rugged

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<v Speaker 1>out because that's a bit strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was. If you sort of tend to be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about them but not calling or trying to interact

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<v Speaker 2>with them, they do tend to do things right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And that sounds weird, but it's true. Many times I've

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<v Speaker 2>been doing things in here, even I've not been talking.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been talking about them, but not to them. They'll

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<v Speaker 2>be carrying me label. But the like I was saying

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<v Speaker 2>fright nights was and there were seven of us in here,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's in a little circle, and it was quite

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<v Speaker 2>strange because it was I was a complete and not

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<v Speaker 2>a skeptic. I said to you, you couldn't tell me

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a thing called ghost. I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got an interest because of what my mom had told

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<v Speaker 2>me early.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we are looking at we are looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the MF meter right now, and please Amy, just double

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<v Speaker 1>check what I do. There is no power There is

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<v Speaker 1>no power source anywhere here now, and I am not

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<v Speaker 1>kidding you. There is there is no power source anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>near this. Wow. That is that is really strange. Okay. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>so you've look at that. You've also mentioned the name,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're going to go into that right now as

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<v Speaker 2>Right So, like I say, you can tell me there

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of ghost or anything. We were in a

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<v Speaker 2>circle and we saw flashes of light, little like flashes

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<v Speaker 2>of light, and I was like, what the helve that?

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<v Speaker 2>And next thing we know, little girl about five six

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<v Speaker 2>years old. She got dirty blonde to light brown hair,

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<v Speaker 2>little white dress on but I'll never forget does she

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<v Speaker 2>took her out asked what we'd seen. We all said

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. Then about fifty fifteen years later, the

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<v Speaker 2>last grotto, because I look after the grotto during Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>The last grotto we did, which is in the building

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<v Speaker 2>next door to this, we were. I come in six

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<v Speaker 2>six thirty in the morning, walked in, and the buildings

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<v Speaker 2>strange because to get the back set of lights on

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<v Speaker 2>And I was walking through and there's a ramp that

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<v Speaker 2>goes up into the back back room and she was

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<v Speaker 2>walking the same little girl, no shoes, white dress, smoking

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<v Speaker 2>up the ramp. And then last year in the grotto,

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<v Speaker 2>I walked in again. It was about about seven o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning, and she was in the bats. She

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<v Speaker 2>was behind the bats. We've been told by mediums her

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<v Speaker 2>name's Ellie, and that she was here sometimes sometime in

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<v Speaker 2>the thirteen maybe thirteen fourteen hundreds, probably a servant. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got no record records of our but she's known for

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<v Speaker 2>poultgeist activity because she will move the things and she

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<v Speaker 2>is very, very attracted to lights and she will move

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<v Speaker 2>the lights up and down.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you saw her, was she solid?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, so solid if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>To me now, I mean we both just sat here

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<v Speaker 1>and you've seen this. I've got an ef me to

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<v Speaker 1>just registering and clock in a way. There is literally

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<v Speaker 1>hardly any reading there I have just you might have

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<v Speaker 1>heard my camera clicking off and I've been taking a

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<v Speaker 1>few fat This thing has been this thing has been

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<v Speaker 1>going mad. Literally at the time that I'll pull my

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<v Speaker 1>sleeves down because I've got really, really cold, and anybody

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<v Speaker 1>who knows me knows that I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Really But you said earlier about you got an EMF

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<v Speaker 2>meet with you. She's a that she knows the flight

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<v Speaker 2>more than one times three times there, but she will

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<v Speaker 2>respond respond. When we're doing ghost nights, she will respond

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<v Speaker 2>and she uses lights. I mean Christmas. She'll move things

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<v Speaker 2>in the grotto like Teddy Bears and back in the

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<v Speaker 2>eighties and nineties where are batting closure is that was

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<v Speaker 2>actually a castle gift gift shop and things of move

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<v Speaker 2>in there. The Teddy Bears had moved. I'll told you

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<v Speaker 2>the story of the big key racking that went right

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<v Speaker 2>across the what's it? And my friend who worked right

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<v Speaker 2>across the building. There was no wind in there, It

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<v Speaker 2>just went across. That was a story that was mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>on Most Haunted when they did the Live here this

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<v Speaker 2>also and my friend who used to work in them,

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<v Speaker 2>or I should say friends or Memento, he used to

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<v Speaker 2>work in there, J Cooper, and he'd done a display

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<v Speaker 2>of jams and the whole lot was took off a

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<v Speaker 2>shelf and placed on the floor. The building was lot.

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<v Speaker 2>There was nobody in there, and you've been in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Flagstones if they fell the smash, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No damage at all. I want to talk about something

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<v Speaker 1>that we spoke about earlier, and this fascinated me straight

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<v Speaker 1>away because you mentioned it in the historical aspect before

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<v Speaker 1>we even started. Then I've got you to speak about

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<v Speaker 1>it again. But we interviewed Richard Foedix a while ago

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<v Speaker 1>and he spoke about the stone tape theory, which you

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<v Speaker 1>are a very very big believeryh Yeah, and you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>something to me that absolutely blew me away, which was

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<v Speaker 1>I did not realize the water source because we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about silica water. You storm data on microchips and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea about the water source. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you said that to me. That was big kind of

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<v Speaker 1>Eureka moment. So that is why you would say that

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<v Speaker 1>this is probably a very very strong proponent.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I really believe in that. I spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>other people don't believe it. But I'm a massive fan

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<v Speaker 2>of the stone tak theory because there is nothing more

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<v Speaker 2>natural in this world than this stone. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>this stone. I mean behind you. We've got one of

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<v Speaker 2>the stones from the Priory. That stone dates for eleven hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've seen this stone by the way, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>got an ingredient.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the key stone for the priory. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you sat on a limestone reach you've got water under.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got to be there's got to be a reason

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<v Speaker 2>that places like this have hauntings. And I'm a big,

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<v Speaker 2>fat fan of the stone type theory. That energy is recorded,

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<v Speaker 2>like you saying data something Matt triggers it to reply.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what the Green Lady is, hundred percent. She never interacts,

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<v Speaker 2>you see her. She does well, it does and goes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very very strange that the grand Lady doesn't interact.

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<v Speaker 1>But the little girl, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Little girl, I think she's an intelligence. Richard Felix actually

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<v Speaker 2>put this really well when he was here at Dudley Castle,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's one of the things I've stuck with in

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<v Speaker 2>my head. You'll never hear of a caveman haunted.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he spoke about, Yes, you're nearly here.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a caveman haunting. Why religion and there was no

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<v Speaker 2>fear yet, there was no fear. People didn't think about

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<v Speaker 2>purgatory and things like that. As you move through time,

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<v Speaker 2>religion comes about. People are scared to death if they've

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<v Speaker 2>done something wrong. And I think people some people or

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<v Speaker 2>stay their spirits ut move and they stay stay where

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<v Speaker 2>they are. Maybe it's because they loved loved a place,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe it is that fear that something is got

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<v Speaker 2>those legs. Yeah, stone tape. Something's triggered that to play,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean that's that's the coffin guys from thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a fascinating sighting that you spoke to me

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<v Speaker 1>earlier about that and that involved who it was. Did

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<v Speaker 1>we not record this, I'm not sure about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So back in just after these coffins were because these

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<v Speaker 2>coffins were actually the big one was don down at

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<v Speaker 2>Dudley Priory. Smaller one was phoned to local church, but

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<v Speaker 2>both coffins were then housed in Priory Hall. Priory Hall

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<v Speaker 2>then got turned in the nineties into the Registry Office marriages,

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<v Speaker 2>births and deaths. It was this I did. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a really good thing to have two coffins when you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to register a marriage or a birth, so they

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<v Speaker 2>decided to bring the coffins up to here. The big

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<v Speaker 2>coffin we believe belonged to John Dey Summery, who was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the Barons of Dudley. He actually built finished

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<v Speaker 2>the building the keep back in the thirteen hundreds. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when these coffins were first moved up here, this room

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<v Speaker 2>was different. You could actually come in here every single

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<v Speaker 2>day to watch a little film about the history of

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<v Speaker 2>the castle. And a cleaner was sent up after a

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<v Speaker 2>busy bank holiday Monday, and she was covering away, hoovering away,

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly looked up to the bottom end of the coffin

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<v Speaker 2>and saw two legs with riding boots on. Now she

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<v Speaker 2>was quite used to the then castle keeper coming in

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<v Speaker 2>in costume, so she just thought it's him, and she

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<v Speaker 2>was like morning. Adrian then looked up a bit further

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<v Speaker 2>and there was nothing above the legs.

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<v Speaker 1>His legs were sold.

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<v Speaker 2>There was solid in her now her she made a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a force. Her sister, who was cleaning as well,

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<v Speaker 2>came in and said, what on earth going on? And

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<v Speaker 2>she says, there's two legs in the coffin. There's two

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<v Speaker 2>legs in the coffin. She took her sister down to

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<v Speaker 2>calm down, down to the restaurant. They sent people up

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<v Speaker 2>to have a look when she recounted this story of

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<v Speaker 2>what had gone on, and they can't find anything in

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<v Speaker 2>this room. You can see this room. There's not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of places you can hide. There was nothing in

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<v Speaker 2>this room. Those legs. Something's triggered that to play. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was stone tape theory. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>and I heard that. So it's one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that got me into all the paranormal around the castle.

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<v Speaker 2>I was always into the history, but this is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things because that lady was through marriage related

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<v Speaker 2>to my mom, and my mom told me the story

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<v Speaker 2>because her mom, MYNN, had said to her, you'll never

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<v Speaker 2>guess what's happened to Dudley Castle. And she recounted the story.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's one hundred percent would have been a stone tape.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we covered the bit that I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you about Richard Felix in the stone Tack theory,

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<v Speaker 1>but you mentioned something to me before we started recording,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are the wonderful nuggets that as a podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>a show like this, you are after these kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>things all the time. And you mentioned an absolute blinder

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<v Speaker 1>earlier on and it just goes to show that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just people that can appear as ghosts, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>also animals. Would you kindly tell us about the sighting

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<v Speaker 1>that happened obviously a long time ago with a specific animal.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so very first curator head zoo keeper Dudley Castle,

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<v Speaker 2>was a guy called Harry Hatch and he actually lived

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<v Speaker 2>on in the little Cottage which is just down the way,

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<v Speaker 2>and he raised loads of animals and hundred loads by far,

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<v Speaker 2>though his favorite was a cheetah. He was called Sylvia

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<v Speaker 2>and took her everywhere we didn't. They actually appeared on

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<v Speaker 2>Blue Peter back in the early days of Blue Peter,

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<v Speaker 2>and she bit his hand live on her and I've

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<v Speaker 2>tried to get as I said to you, I've tried

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<v Speaker 2>to get the footage, but apparently it was live, so

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't recording. However, Sylvia was his favorite, and he

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<v Speaker 2>used to walker exercises in the castle courtyard and we've

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<v Speaker 2>got pictures. We've got pictures of local dignitaries coming and

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<v Speaker 2>stroking and things like that. I'll let you have.

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<v Speaker 1>One to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>When when he comes time to put her in an enclosure,

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't capture in the cottage and like exercises up here.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when she died, she was actually buried next

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<v Speaker 2>to the cottage. She's in the garden area, just to

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<v Speaker 2>the side of the cottage. And but what my very

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<v Speaker 2>first goes it was my very It was a group

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<v Speaker 2>called Evy Evenings. They were doing one of their first

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<v Speaker 2>up here and I took the group down to do

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<v Speaker 2>a history tour, gone down to the cottage and I'd

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<v Speaker 2>left the medium and the main host in the grounds

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, I come belt him down

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, one, are your big cats is out?

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<v Speaker 2>We've just seen a big cat running through the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the and I don't think so. So on the

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<v Speaker 2>phone to my boss like I'm like boss, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, right, I'm coming on, So you come on.

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<v Speaker 2>Checked all the the enclosures, nothing, nothing, nothing, unlocked, nothing everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and he goes comes up to me and I was

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<v Speaker 2>told him what had happened, and he goes, Oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>Harry's cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Harry's cat.

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<v Speaker 2>And he goes Harry's cat, Harry's cat. He says he's

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<v Speaker 2>been seen before running around the courtyard.

421
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Stn't take I just find that amazing. Again the beep,

422
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:13.880
<v Speaker 1>just to let you all know it was the the

423
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.160
<v Speaker 1>emf me to switch in itself off. That wasn't anything

424
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>doing it. That is just that that story absolutely encapsulates

425
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.720
<v Speaker 1>everything about this place. It's not just people, it's not

426
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 1>just going back hundreds and hundreds of years. You've even

427
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:28.279
<v Speaker 1>got a cheetah.

428
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean this all the stories people have often

429
00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:36.920
<v Speaker 2>heard where the old elephant houses. Have you because you

430
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>back in the day that the elephants with the chain

431
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>and people have heard the chain. Wow, I had elephants

432
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.279
<v Speaker 2>since two thousand and three, but I'd hear the chain.

433
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>That's been reported many times. And the reptile House. I

434
00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:58.720
<v Speaker 2>can tell you a good one about the Reptile House

435
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>because I was doing a ghost one of the towards

436
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:06.119
<v Speaker 2>the end of before I retired from Goes Tonight and

437
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:09.880
<v Speaker 2>there was a group up here, new group, and they

438
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 2>come on. The hosts come on a little bit before

439
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:16.400
<v Speaker 2>to get a feel for the place and set some

440
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff up because I wanted to put like a drum

441
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:22.880
<v Speaker 2>where the drummer boy archwrails and things like that. And

442
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I was in the castle and bloke medium from the

443
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:32.799
<v Speaker 2>group conting goes, is anybody working in there? And I

444
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.359
<v Speaker 2>went where he was there? I went all the ref tilers,

445
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:39.359
<v Speaker 2>the sum be because there's only me on site. Anyway,

446
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:43.119
<v Speaker 2>he says, because I've just seen a man standing by

447
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:46.839
<v Speaker 2>that first enclosure. Through the main door, you could see

448
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:49.480
<v Speaker 2>the first thing. So I've just seen a man. And

449
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I went, now there's nobody on and he went, now

450
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I've definitely seen a man. So again on my phone,

451
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:59.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, boss, are you medding anything? Of you come

452
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.119
<v Speaker 2>on to Medica and thin and he was like no, no,

453
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm sating on the setty. He says. My wife's the

454
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>way I'm looking after the kids. And I went all right,

455
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>he said good and check. He said good and check.

456
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.200
<v Speaker 2>So I went down and checked the back door. Back

457
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:17.160
<v Speaker 2>door was locked, everything, nothing disturbed. So I phoned the

458
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:21.880
<v Speaker 2>header section, the reptile header section, because she lived at

459
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:25.440
<v Speaker 2>the time, just outside and I was like, you're not

460
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 2>on site, are you? And I went no, I said,

461
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>you're not in the reptile.

462
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:29.480
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not.

463
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm at home. And he says, anger, and I'll come

464
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:34.920
<v Speaker 2>up with the keys so we could walk through. And

465
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.720
<v Speaker 2>so we went and went through, walked through. Nothing there

466
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>at all, but one of them monitor lizards was like

467
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.000
<v Speaker 2>up the glass, which was quite rare because she was like,

468
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.640
<v Speaker 2>that's rare for him to do that like that. And

469
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.640
<v Speaker 2>she came in to speak to the medium and I says,

470
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.440
<v Speaker 2>can you tell me what you saw? Mad and green

471
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:57.720
<v Speaker 2>buld head. That's why I thought it was my boss,

472
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:01.839
<v Speaker 2>because he's man and green old head keeper. And I

473
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 2>was like, there's nobody in there. I tell you there's

474
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:06.960
<v Speaker 2>nobody in there, because he was standing looking in the

475
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>first enclosure, and I went, okay. A couple of weeks

476
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.880
<v Speaker 2>before this had happened, she was working late. They were

477
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>really doing the floor, so they were standing in the floor.

478
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.680
<v Speaker 2>There was her, her husband, one of as the head

479
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.359
<v Speaker 2>of the gardens, and one of her one of her

480
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:29.519
<v Speaker 2>junior keepers. Was all working late. She thought it was then,

481
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:32.680
<v Speaker 2>but then the two of them were outside. The two

482
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:37.680
<v Speaker 2>lads were outside in the quarantine area, which is completely outside,

483
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.519
<v Speaker 2>and she'd been staying in the floor and she felt

484
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:47.119
<v Speaker 2>someone clab on the back of her a T shirt.

485
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:50.599
<v Speaker 2>So she was like she went outside to have a

486
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:52.359
<v Speaker 2>gut him. And I was like, we haven't been in

487
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>the building, but it proper grabbed a shirt. Wow, So

488
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.880
<v Speaker 2>we think. I mean, there's been reports in there anyway

489
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.519
<v Speaker 2>of things like something called the key j angler when

490
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 2>people are working in there December November, December, when the

491
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.960
<v Speaker 2>zoo is really really quiet. They can be working there

492
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.079
<v Speaker 2>on their own and I'll leave the keys jangling, so

493
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>they ultimatically think it's a member of staff coming through,

494
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:19.799
<v Speaker 2>but it's not. There's nobody there.

495
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Are there any areas of the place that the public

496
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:36.519
<v Speaker 1>can't access and can you talk about some of those areas.

497
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately today we're not going to be allowed in those

498
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>areas down to health and safety. There's a lot of

499
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.279
<v Speaker 1>work going on and things like that. But yeah, could

500
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 1>you talk about there.

501
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:53.759
<v Speaker 2>Is there's areas of the castle that aren't at the moment,

502
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:56.839
<v Speaker 2>I will say at the moment accessible because of health

503
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.839
<v Speaker 2>and safety. There's a problem with stone because of the

504
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.480
<v Speaker 2>way that and because of other issues. We've got a

505
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:06.440
<v Speaker 2>problem with some of the stones, particularly in the Sharrington

506
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Range coming down. Yeah, so they are locked off for

507
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 2>that reason. The secret areas you're on about, I mean,

508
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>we've got a lot of caverns underneath us and one

509
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>of the places I would love love to go at

510
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.759
<v Speaker 2>the caverns that are underneath us, because one of them

511
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:28.559
<v Speaker 2>is called the World War Two Cavern and it's set

512
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>out with offices underneath. That's standing at the bottom opposite

513
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:38.839
<v Speaker 2>where our camels are currently. During World War Two they

514
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 2>used to run the ammunition train into it, but it's

515
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:47.359
<v Speaker 2>in offices and I'd love to get my get down there.

516
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>There's also where the chair lift is. There is a

517
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:54.799
<v Speaker 2>cavern behind there. Unfortunately it's flooded, but i'd love to

518
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:56.519
<v Speaker 2>get in there. Wow.

519
00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, obviously we can't get in. But do you have

520
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>that access to getting them or is it a case

521
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>of there is no access to get into them.

522
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>There is access to get into them. The problem is

523
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:15.359
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of bats. Because one of the caverns

524
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 2>over at Reven's Less collapsed and the bats migrated down.

525
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>The one behind the chair lift is actually flooded halfway through,

526
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:28.359
<v Speaker 2>so that's full of water. But the World War Two

527
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:34.720
<v Speaker 2>tunnel you can you can't and people do. I'd love

528
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:38.119
<v Speaker 2>to do a ghost walk down that is amazing.

529
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>We spoke about tunnels.

530
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Tunnels, Yeah, well, the local legend is that there is

531
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:48.359
<v Speaker 2>a tunnel that runs from Dudley Castle down to Dudley Priory,

532
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:52.200
<v Speaker 2>which would be a heck of a tunnel. It would

533
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.720
<v Speaker 2>if it's been done, but it wouldn't. It will make

534
00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>sense because you would want an escape route down to

535
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.200
<v Speaker 2>the priory. That's never been discovered. Whether it's there or not,

536
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. Two tunnels that I do know are

537
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 2>definitely here. There's a tunnel between the two barbicane at

538
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:16.119
<v Speaker 2>the front gate, so they'd have been used to move soldiers.

539
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>That was discovered, That was rumored for many years, then

540
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:29.039
<v Speaker 2>discovered in the nineteen eighty nineteen ninety gigs. They found

541
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:33.599
<v Speaker 2>that tunnel. The other tunnel is where the water's arches

542
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:35.599
<v Speaker 2>and it's the one that Jacob would have used to

543
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:40.320
<v Speaker 2>move underneath to get to the wardens at the east

544
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:46.679
<v Speaker 2>watchtower at the in the sam Pit area. Now that

545
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:52.960
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately that has collapsed half way across because they put

546
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:56.840
<v Speaker 2>the stairs. It steps in in the nineteen hundreds, so

547
00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:59.880
<v Speaker 2>that collapsed half way across. However, there is still a

548
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:07.360
<v Speaker 2>access and there is Felix, Yeah, which Felix Young. It

549
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 2>is one of the Felix brothers. I think it's will

550
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.320
<v Speaker 2>actually went down and across and came back many years ago.

551
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:20.039
<v Speaker 1>You also mentioned earlier on that you literally bumped into

552
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>something and you saw a door.

553
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. Back in there. There's a report about the

554
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>castle from the from a guy called Harraldikespeare and on

555
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:37.800
<v Speaker 2>it there's something called the screen's passage and I really

556
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.199
<v Speaker 2>want to find out where this But there was work

557
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.559
<v Speaker 2>done in the eighties twelve and the what was the

558
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:47.440
<v Speaker 2>visitor to castle creatures and it was blocked off and

559
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I really wanted to find this, this Screen's passage. And

560
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.960
<v Speaker 2>they were doing some work in the platroom what we

561
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:59.239
<v Speaker 2>call the platroom now, and there was a door and

562
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:03.840
<v Speaker 2>never been through that door, and one of the guys

563
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:05.559
<v Speaker 2>went ive, got the curve you want to have a

564
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.880
<v Speaker 2>look and looked opens up and there's the screens faceted.

565
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow wow. But yeah, so that was this castle. The

566
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.360
<v Speaker 2>history on this castle is so immense and it never

567
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.760
<v Speaker 2>fails to surprise and you find something new out every day.

568
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 1>That brings me to my next question. What originally drew

569
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:29.159
<v Speaker 1>you to this castle? And we spoke earlier about even

570
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:32.360
<v Speaker 1>you as a as a as a little as a teenager,

571
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.159
<v Speaker 1>both as a historian but also as a person who

572
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>was such a vested interest in the paranormal. What draws

573
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:41.480
<v Speaker 1>you to this even even as a.

574
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Kiss grind in blood. I mean, I'm well known for

575
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 2>upping the walls and gaining when I was a young

576
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:53.239
<v Speaker 2>star used to get into trouble for it all the time.

577
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Are you like every Dudley kid did. Yeah, he'd come

578
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.119
<v Speaker 2>out in one of the walls for three days. But

579
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.599
<v Speaker 2>I never went to the zoo. Always came to the castle.

580
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.920
<v Speaker 2>And the history on it is you would take two

581
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:11.360
<v Speaker 2>three layers of the history of this building off off it. Yeah,

582
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.199
<v Speaker 2>and it is just immense. It's like I say, I

583
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.199
<v Speaker 2>think he's walked through the courtyard. You're walking in the

584
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:21.440
<v Speaker 2>steps of history, you know, and as a historian. And

585
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:23.719
<v Speaker 2>the more you dig into the history of it, the

586
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.880
<v Speaker 2>more you love it, the more you find, the more

587
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:30.079
<v Speaker 2>you want to find more and more and more. I mean,

588
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.119
<v Speaker 2>like I said, you're probably one of the most underrated

589
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:36.880
<v Speaker 2>barons we had here d from the six when you

590
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:41.159
<v Speaker 2>look at his history and the people he was associated with,

591
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:43.960
<v Speaker 2>and he was here and he lived here, he was

592
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.880
<v Speaker 2>born here, he died here, and Dudley was such an

593
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:53.239
<v Speaker 2>amazing historical place that that's what attracts me. And I

594
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.719
<v Speaker 2>love learning, I love finding out about things, and this

595
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:59.360
<v Speaker 2>gives me the perfect opportunity. Like I said to you,

596
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:04.480
<v Speaker 2>you find something new every day about it and you

597
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.320
<v Speaker 2>do a little bit of dig in. I told you

598
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:11.760
<v Speaker 2>about Graham who was the medium. Yeah, and he said

599
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:14.960
<v Speaker 2>to me, I'm picking up on the name Gaunt, like

600
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:19.960
<v Speaker 2>John of Gorne, and there's no link between us and

601
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 2>John of Gone, nothing at all. And I was like, right,

602
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:26.280
<v Speaker 2>okay it because I'm not changing it. It's gone. This

603
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:29.280
<v Speaker 2>is a medium that I really chose. And I was like, right,

604
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do a little bit of dig in.

605
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.239
<v Speaker 2>And he took me a load to dig through the

606
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:36.400
<v Speaker 2>history because a lot of the records, as I said

607
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.599
<v Speaker 2>to you, in Staffordshire. Yeah, so it took me a

608
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:43.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of digging. But one of the baroness's, her second husband,

609
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 2>was Maurice de Gornet, the Gaunt connection, and I'm like

610
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:49.320
<v Speaker 2>that blows my mind.

611
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll be talking about this. That is something that

612
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>you have written. There aren't many people that are going

613
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:56.800
<v Speaker 1>to be able to dig down if the records are

614
00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 1>only held over there. They're only a select few people

615
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:00.280
<v Speaker 1>that are going to be able to get to that.

616
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.800
<v Speaker 2>And I mean that's what attracts me as as for

617
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:08.639
<v Speaker 2>the paranormal side, but also as a historian, because then

618
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Oh, we've got a baroness who's got second husband,

619
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:21.559
<v Speaker 2>what's his family story? That's that's what I've I personally

620
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.960
<v Speaker 2>think you should do. You can't have a ghost story

621
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.480
<v Speaker 2>without backing it up with it. I know some people

622
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.480
<v Speaker 2>are different with me, but you can't have a true

623
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.960
<v Speaker 2>ghost story without a proper history link.

624
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, I certainly think Richard Felix would back you up.

625
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's there is absolutely no way. I mean

626
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.559
<v Speaker 2>I've said to you before, I've I've seen good mediums

627
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:50.719
<v Speaker 2>and I've seen a very very shocking medium and one

628
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.800
<v Speaker 2>of them tried to tell me Lady Jane Gray was

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<v Speaker 2>haunting the courtyard. Mary Queen of Scott's was here and

630
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<v Speaker 2>somebody was being you dispensed, the younger was being executed

631
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<v Speaker 2>on the keep and I'm like Lady Jack. There is

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<v Speaker 2>no written evidence to say that Lad Jane Gray ever

633
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<v Speaker 2>come anywhere close to Dudley. Okay, her nearest place to

634
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<v Speaker 2>here was Leicester, possibly Leicester, and even that's debated now

635
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<v Speaker 2>that she was born at Leicester. Debating now that she

636
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<v Speaker 2>was born in London, she wouldn't have come here. Mary

637
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:33.800
<v Speaker 2>queenis goes this was like inspected as a possible prison

638
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<v Speaker 2>for her. It was a tup ray that I were

639
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.199
<v Speaker 2>thinking of moving her here. They did, and because the

640
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:40.440
<v Speaker 2>building was in too much of a disrepair it would

641
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.000
<v Speaker 2>have took too much A lot of big Catholic houses

642
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.639
<v Speaker 2>in the area as well, so they decided to move

643
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<v Speaker 2>it to Chartley. Then she went to father in Way

644
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<v Speaker 2>where she was executed, and you dispenser, Yes he did

645
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:54.440
<v Speaker 2>old the castle for about a year, but he was

646
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:59.599
<v Speaker 2>executed in Evesham. So this medium had obviously been on

647
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.480
<v Speaker 2>the internet going oh no, yeah, I'll make a story

648
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.639
<v Speaker 2>up about that now. But it's going to know. My

649
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:11.440
<v Speaker 2>thing about it is people are paying their order and

650
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:15.400
<v Speaker 2>cash to come on gas, to come on ghost walks.

651
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:18.480
<v Speaker 2>They deserve the real stories, of course, and if you

652
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<v Speaker 2>can't back it up, I'll go toe to toe with

653
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<v Speaker 2>anyone on the history of this place, anyone. But if

654
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<v Speaker 2>you can't back that up with history, then you know

655
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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, I don't believe it's true.

656
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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean.

657
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<v Speaker 2>You know I've heard that. Like I said, I've heard

658
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<v Speaker 2>some really really good I've had some really good mediums here,

659
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:44.039
<v Speaker 2>some real stellar mediums, and I've had some male shockers.

660
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I mean, I'm very much known to

661
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<v Speaker 2>actually tell people I'm like now that day happened. Yeah,

662
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<v Speaker 2>And like I said, I said to you earlier, I'll

663
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<v Speaker 2>go toe to toe with anyone on the history of

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<v Speaker 2>this place.

665
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<v Speaker 1>It's from my point of view, sitting here with yourself

666
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<v Speaker 1>in this environment, in this room, it's an absolute pleasure

667
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<v Speaker 1>to have talked to someone with this much passion about

668
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.360
<v Speaker 1>where they work, not only because of where you know,

669
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:15.039
<v Speaker 1>where you work, but because of that history, because of

670
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:18.400
<v Speaker 1>these paranormal stories and the legend and the folklore, if

671
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 1>you like, and all of these potential people that did

672
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.320
<v Speaker 1>come here, the importance, as you said, of who were

673
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 1>walking the grounds of this place, these massive historical figures

674
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<v Speaker 1>that were in Dudley. Yeah, I think you were actually

675
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.599
<v Speaker 1>mentioned to me a little bit earlier that Birmingham wasn't

676
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<v Speaker 1>the place.

677
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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I mean the Baron of Birmingham or the

678
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Birmingham had to do felt to the Baron of Dudley. Yeah,

679
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean Dudley was seen as I mean you're in

680
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<v Speaker 2>central England, even more so than Birmingham central. You're in

681
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<v Speaker 2>central England. This little place of ours was a powerhouse. Mean,

682
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:06.199
<v Speaker 2>we started the Industrial Resolutions, Newcoms engine was here, you know,

683
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.239
<v Speaker 2>we we were at the forefront. This place was and

684
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:16.440
<v Speaker 2>he is historically so important and people should know about

685
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 2>its history. And like I said, Birmingham, Birmingham was like

686
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:28.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, I still thinking personally, but Dudley was central too.

687
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:35.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean we were you you could put anything, any

688
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<v Speaker 2>major historical event event in England and somewhere along the

689
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:45.599
<v Speaker 2>line there'll be a connection here. Yeah, you know, like

690
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.559
<v Speaker 2>I said, John Sutton the sixth I mean brought the

691
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:53.719
<v Speaker 2>body of Henry the fifth home from France when he died.

692
00:43:54.760 --> 00:44:01.320
<v Speaker 2>He saw eighty seven years of history from him from Dudley.

693
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<v Speaker 2>He died, but was born here. He died here. He

694
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:10.159
<v Speaker 2>was a major figure, a diplomatic figure. I mean King's

695
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:17.159
<v Speaker 2>absolutely loved him. I mean Richard Richard the third, Henry

696
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the seventh, Henry the fifth, and he was close friends

697
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<v Speaker 2>with Henry the sixth. You know, he was a grad

698
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<v Speaker 2>stuard of England. He looked after the royal finances. He

699
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:31.880
<v Speaker 2>was a major person and he here, I mean even

700
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 2>going back. There's a baron called William Percival and he

701
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.800
<v Speaker 2>had a son called Nicholas. And I've been doing a

702
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:43.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of digging on finding who Nicholas's mother was. And

703
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.000
<v Speaker 2>he turns out she's one of the biggest Irish legends

704
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<v Speaker 2>in where he's de verd. She's one of the major

705
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:58.679
<v Speaker 2>Irish legends. After William died, Henry Henry the third arranged

706
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:03.760
<v Speaker 2>a marriage to one of the Irish magnate She was

707
00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:08.880
<v Speaker 2>a second wife. He'd already got children. Her children kept

708
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<v Speaker 2>her name for Dawn. She built Castle Larache over in Ireland.

709
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:18.519
<v Speaker 2>She was known to ride out in full armor, and

710
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:22.920
<v Speaker 2>when her second husband died, she refused to remarry and

711
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:26.119
<v Speaker 2>became a femdom, which means she was her own person.

712
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:29.480
<v Speaker 2>She was allowed to. Yeah, she was here, she was

713
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 2>in this castle. She's one of the biggest Irish female legends.

714
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Strong Irish.

715
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:43.320
<v Speaker 2>At Dudley Castle, her first husband was William William Pursval

716
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.559
<v Speaker 2>the summary, I mean, how amazing is that?

717
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, it is absolutely utterly fascinating. If you sat

718
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:56.599
<v Speaker 1>here right now, you've graced me personally, and you're going

719
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:59.079
<v Speaker 1>to be gracing all of our listeners, and you've it's

720
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:05.559
<v Speaker 1>been an absolute true people never visited Dudley Castle before yourself.

721
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:08.119
<v Speaker 1>What would you say to them? Why should that come

722
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<v Speaker 1>to Dudley Castle?

723
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 2>The history for the absolute history of this building. Other

724
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:19.320
<v Speaker 2>castles in this country they've got history. This has got.

725
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean this was probably one of the first castles

726
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:27.800
<v Speaker 2>that was converted to stone. I mean it was so important.

727
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:31.079
<v Speaker 2>It was known as the Castle in the Woods. It's

728
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:33.719
<v Speaker 2>got legend to it, it's got myth to it, it's

729
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:38.800
<v Speaker 2>got folklore to it. Come listen to what the history

730
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.960
<v Speaker 2>of it. I mean, even if you don't want to come,

731
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:44.800
<v Speaker 2>get the books out, read the books, because you'll be

732
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:49.559
<v Speaker 2>amazed at what has happened in this castle. Amazed and

733
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:55.320
<v Speaker 2>the links it's got. Like I said, possibly every historical

734
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 2>evenge you can put some kind of link to here,

735
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:03.480
<v Speaker 2>especially with the barons. I mean the barons were I

736
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:08.719
<v Speaker 2>mean John Dee Sunray knighted with Edward the Second at

737
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the Feast of the Swans and dressed from the royal wardrobe.

738
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this man was up there. He was known

739
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<v Speaker 2>as a true, true what's it of the king, a

740
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.840
<v Speaker 2>true supporter of the king, and he was here. He

741
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:23.239
<v Speaker 2>was here.

742
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<v Speaker 1>Mean, so there you go. It's got everything, it's.

743
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Gone everything You've got us as well. You know, ninety

744
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:35.320
<v Speaker 2>years of Dudley's in two years time. I mean, you've

745
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:40.360
<v Speaker 2>got everything in and it's just a pleasure to explore it.

746
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:43.039
<v Speaker 2>And like I said to you, I learned something new

747
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:49.280
<v Speaker 2>every day every day. Very very very wise person said

748
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:53.039
<v Speaker 2>to me many years ago. He said, when you think

749
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:56.280
<v Speaker 2>you know everything, walk through the door and don't come back,

750
00:47:56.800 --> 00:48:00.440
<v Speaker 2>because that's when you get complacent. And I've always by that,

751
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.159
<v Speaker 2>and I find something new way to every day.

752
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely refreshing. We're going to call and we're going

753
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:08.239
<v Speaker 1>to call it close to this section of the interview,

754
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:10.800
<v Speaker 1>but we've got a real treat now because we're probably

755
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:13.039
<v Speaker 1>going to grab a quick coffee or something, and then

756
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Amy's going to actually tight me on a bit of

757
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:18.599
<v Speaker 1>a personal visit around some of these areas where some

758
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.639
<v Speaker 1>of these paranormal activities taken place, and we're going to

759
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:23.679
<v Speaker 1>have a little bit of a chat. It's going to

760
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.320
<v Speaker 1>be windy because it's blowing a gale outside at the moments,

761
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 1>and we've got a bit of weird Weathermie. Yes, still

762
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:32.599
<v Speaker 1>mainly there to go, so we shall be back very soon.

763
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, nobody. And that brings us to

764
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the end of part two, but there's still more to come.

765
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.280
<v Speaker 1>In part three, Amy takes me out on location around

766
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the castle itself and its grounds, visiting some of the

767
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.760
<v Speaker 1>areas where spirits and ghosts are sent to Rome. We

768
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:57.280
<v Speaker 1>also explore spaces rarely discussed and in some cases, rarely seen,

769
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.639
<v Speaker 1>as we step directly into the place where so many

770
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:05.400
<v Speaker 1>of these stories originate. Join me for Part three, where

771
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:07.719
<v Speaker 1>history and hauntings meet face to face.

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<v Speaker 2>Better Tripple, I thought that the camping, tripping temple printing

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<v Speaker 2>typing paper. I think the tmping printing temper er er

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<v Speaker 2>ver