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teaching people the NEC But anyway, welcome to today's episode.

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We're going to be looking at a change in the

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twenty twenty six see and it's not a big change

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on today's episode. It's just one that I want to

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use as a public service announcement, and that is to

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tell you that sometimes you're going to get code change books,

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you're gonna get publications that are out there and they're

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going to say something's a code change or something is

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different in the code. And to be honest in all fairness.

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Sometimes these books are started well before the ink is

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dry on any public inputs or public comments or the process,

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and so again all in all fairness to them. Sometimes

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we get these things started and it never fully ends

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up where we want it to be. So we just

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want up to make that all clear. And that's what

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we're gonna talk about today because there is a document

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that's out there. It's from a inspection association. It's great document.

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We're reviewing it. But we do see some you know,

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every now and we'll see issues and things like that.

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But in this case, we're going to be talking about

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two ten seventy. That's lighting outlet requirements. Subtle changes, we'll

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talk about it. They're not big, but we will address

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them because it does clear up some stuff that people

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did have confusion about prior, and they asked theirselves. They

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scratched their head when it came to, for example, a

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battery backup for a switch that in how the lumina

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air with the switch went you know, went bad or

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you know battery was going bad or something that would

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give notice and all this kind of good stuff has

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changed for the twenty twenty six edition of the National

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Electrical Code of course, we'll look at the twenty twenty

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three and then see how it changed for the twenty

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twenty six and give you some context to that, and

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we'll also talk about a couple other little changes that

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took place in two ten dots seventy. Now, again two

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ten dots seventies is probably low hanging fruit from any

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of you. Again, it's just dealing with lighting outlets. That

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is your lighting outlet box that you're gonna hang illumina

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air on, if you will. And so there was recquided

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garments under two ten dot seventy for that, and in

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the twenty twenty six edition it's broken down into two

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ten dot seventy A, which is dealing with the dwelling

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unit lighting outlets, okay, And then of course there's a B,

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which is dealing with a guest rooming, guest suite lighting outlets.

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some requirements for addicts and under four spaces, utility rooms

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and basements and whatnot. So we'll kind of cover all

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three of those in this episode, so we can kind

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of lay that all out so you can get and

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see what has changed and kind of make it a

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little bit easier for you to understand. Okay, First and foremost,

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in the twenty twenty three edition of the National Electrical Code,

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when it went to the general statement two ten dot seventy,

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it had basically a statement in there that said the

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switch a listed wall amount of control devices shall not

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rely exclusively on battery power unless it incorporates a positive

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means of noification of impending battery depletion. And in manufacturers

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could do that in many ways. It could fail in

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the on position. It could you know, they could come

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up with a you know, maybe some kind of a

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notification to let you know it was the battery was failing.

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on you know, failed in all on position. So it

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makes a battery relevant. Well, in the twenty twenty six discussion,

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all the way back in the public input stage, it

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was made very clear by a public input that said,

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you know, why do we need to worry about this battery?

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device that was on battery, why do I care if

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the battery depletes? And you're saying, well, because we want

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to know, okay, And in some people in the industry

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manufacturers of such devices, for example, said well, I think

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what people want is for some type of alarm or

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something to come on, just like a smoke alarm to

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let you know that it's trying to change the battery

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or something like that. That makes sense, Okay, they're thinking, yet,

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that's what we want. But then people started to say, well,

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wait a minute, and this is exactly what the code

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panel stated. If you're the kind of code panel geek

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and you want to go look at revisions, you look

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at the first revision, which is seventy nine sixty six,

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and this is under the first revision for the public

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input stage. And again for those that don't know, we

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put public inputs in and then of course the code

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panels get together and they look at it, they read

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all the public inputs, and then we generate what's called

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a first draft or first revision, and the first revision

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is then circulated and everybody out there can comment on it, right,

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and then they can submit a public comment on that

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first revision, okay, And that's how the process works. So

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in this scenario, it was admitted and it was a

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public input, and I believe if I've got it right. Originally,

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the public input was what is was trying to make

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a statement about making a change. Four four four four

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was trying to make a statement about the battery and

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unless positive means and advanced notification and all this kind

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of other stuff. It was trying to ease into this

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and make this a little more palatable for people. However,

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the code panel looked at it, and this is the

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explanation from the code panel. Okay, and here is what

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they said. So what they did was they struck out

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all of that language, the portion about it that says

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it had to be, you know, not rely exclusively on

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a battery unless the means are provided to automatically de

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energize the lighting outlet upon battery failure. All of that

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language was ultimately in the twenty twenty sixth edition is

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struck out. It's gone not there anymore. Some people will

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be going, yay, I got you know, wait a minute,

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I've got hold on, I've got some people hold on,

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hold on, there you go, I got all right, It's enough.

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read the rationale which made sense from the code making panel.

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The code making panel said, look, the exhaustion of a

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battery in a control device does not pose any greater

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threat to safe egress than the failure of any other

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element of the lighting brand circuit, such as a filled lamp,

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loss of utility power, or a tripped circuit breaker. The

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committee also recognizes that the automatic energization of a lighting

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could also create a safety issue. Additionally, the need for

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safe egress lighting falls within the scope of NFPA one

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zero one. So ultimately their decision was, you know what,

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strike all this out and let's just cover the normal

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requirements for a B and C and not get into

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this requirement for battery or automatic energizing it to if

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there's a battery failure, get rid of all that. Just

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trash it all. And that's what they ultimately decided to do. Now,

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the reason I bring this up is because there is

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a very popular document that is available that teaches code changes,

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and they have a very lengthy explanation and analysis and

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at a glance, However, the at a glance or basic

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executive summary we like to say, is incorrect because they

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make a statement that it's going to require some kind

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of visual or audible to let you know that the

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battery has failed and that is not that is not

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what it actually says. Now they do go on into

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the analysis and explain that at the end, but I

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just tell people, be very very careful sometimes when you're

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looking at things like that, because there isn't any requirement

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for any audible or anything like that. It might make

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perfect sense. Okay, it makes sense to me, but it

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doesn't it doesn't actually state that. Okay, So just want

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everybody again, there's gonna be a lot of things coming out,

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a lot of people putting stuff out there, and so

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make sure you do take the time to read it,

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study it. Ask folks if you have something again, you

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can always send it up to hear to us and

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we'll give you our take on it. Again, our opinions

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are our opinions. But again it's usually founded pretty good

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in the fact that we kind of do this for

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a living. So but at the end of the day, again,

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just be careful in it. And it basically seems like

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a really long analysis of two day that was unnecessary.

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It basically could have been summed up in a sentence

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that said that the code making panel feels that the

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wallmount of control device that was battery operated that would

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fail is really no different than the lumin air failing

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itself or you, or the lamp burning out or the

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circuit breaker tripping. It is what it is, so why

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should the wallmount of control device be treated any different

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that type of scenario. So that's kind of the summary

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of that, letting you know kind of Okay, well, I

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get it, I get what changed now with the removal

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of that. The only other things that really significantly change

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here is that we now reincorporated the word switch back

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into it instead of just wall mounted control device, which

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we know is a switch, but it doesn't always have

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to be a switch. Could be one of those peaks,

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it could be something else. Okay, cast does I guess

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they call them. It could be other options right for switching,

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But at the end of the day, it's the batteries

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irrelevant to that now, okay, in but it is still

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a switch, is what we're familiar with. So one change

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that just is kind of the subtle change is it

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brings the word switch back into the play. Okay, So

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it's now wall switch or wall controlled or wall mounted

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controlled device, which could be one of those battery powered

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remote devices for convenience or something like that, you could

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have that. Okay, so that does allow for that. Now

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everywhere in the exceptions you have exception number one, exception

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number two, it brings in the wall switches back into

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the fold. Okay, that's just a simple that's a low

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hanging fruit change, right, because we all knew that a

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listed wallmount of control device could be a switch as well.

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But one thing that they did add here was an

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exception number three, and I'll read it to you, and

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this is specific to maybe some of those areas where

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you have really let's say you have that closet in

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the hall or something that you have laundry equipment in there,

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and you know you've got the sitting there going. Okay, Well,

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it says in the general rule that at least one

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lighting outlet controlled by a wall switch or listed wall

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mounted control device should be installed in every habitable room, kitchen,

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laundry area, and bathroom. And so people argued and said, well,

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what if I have a hallway and I just have

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some accordion doors, and what if I have an area

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which is a laundry area that has the washer and

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dryer in there. Do I have to put a switch

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in there? Do I have to put a lighting outlet

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in there. I mean it is a laundry area. And

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some people reading it in the lines would say absolutely

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to me it. To me, it was no different in saying, well,

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I mean, obviously you can't get in the area. It's

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a smaller area, but I guess you could. And you

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need lighting in there, obviously, because it requires that you

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have a at least one lighting outlet that's controlled by

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a wall switch. Okay, wall switch now or listed wallmount

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of control device. Well, that could be argumentative by many jurisdictions. No,

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so now they added an exception number three that says, okay,

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look a lighting outlet and it's control switch. And to

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be honest with you, they kind of deviated from the exception,

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deviated from their their position. There's normal where they call

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it a lighting out and it's wall switches or listed

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wall mounted control devices. They just went on and said,

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look a lighting out and it's control switch. Okay. So

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it really doesn't jive harmonize with the everything that was

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the language of the rest of it. But we get

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what it's saying. We don't have to be that nitpicky, right.

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It says installed provide illumination to the laundry area shall

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be permitted to be installed outside the laundry area where

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a closet houses the laundry equipment. Okay, So the key

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on that is that it's the laundry equipment is actually

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in a space that would be more appropriate to call

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a closet that type of thing, and it's very common

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to do that. And so they're saying, look, I'm not

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I don't have to put the lighting outlet in there.

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I don't have to put the control switch in there, right,

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the switch or wall mounted. I don't have to put

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it in there, but I can do it outside of

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that area. Now, one of the people on the code

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making panel during that time said, well, okay, I get it.

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Well what's the distance? So could it be ten feet away,

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fifteen feet away within the mediate vicinity? I don't you know?

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You get what I'm saying. Now we address this, uh

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in other areas for equipment. Now that says it'd be

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at or near the equipment for the illumination. And also

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this is gonna doesn't job with that, So this is

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his own little thing here. But we did don't give

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a distance on this, so it can be argumented him

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where is the switch? Where is the lighting outlet? Right?

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It just says it can be outside of the launder area. Well,

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how far outside of it? How far away can it be? Right?

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So that's going to be obviously something that's going to

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get cleared up in the obviously next edition that'll be

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that'll be cleared up. I'm sure somebody will submit public

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input in order to put a distance on that. But anyway, Uh,

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that is a change. That's a new exception number three

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that was added. Now you have the two item two,

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which is called additional locations, right, and so in here

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it's essentially the same whereas it is going to require

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there was a one in a two previous league. And

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again we're talking about hallways for at least one listed

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or at least one lighting outlet controlled by a wall

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switch or listed wallmount of control device. And obviously it

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used to say just a listed wall mount of control.

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Obviously we've added wall switch back in there. Okay, makes sense,

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I mean that should make sense at the least, right,

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so where at least it's where we're at right now.

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And then of course we have item number two, which

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is the dwelling unit and again attached garages detached garages

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with electric power, at least one exterior lighting outlet controlled

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by a wall switch or listed wallmount of control device

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shall be installed to provide illumination on the exterior side

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of the outdoor entrance or exits which grade level access.

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And it reminds us again that the vehicle doors in

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a garage are not considered as an outdoor entrance or exit.

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This is low hanging fruit. Now, this is not a

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this is not a big change. I'm just saying that

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the low hanging fruit on exams is if I have

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a garage and it is an attached garage, and I

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have a garage door, but the no other way to

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get into that garage and my house, my previous house

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was like that. You just you walk through the garage doors.

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But that wasn't considering an entrance, so I didn't need

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lights or illumination for my driveway or the garage door

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wasn't required by code. Now it had it obviously, because

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who's gonna do that, right, I mean, if you're gonna

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put in a put in a garage door, I mean

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you're gonna you're gonna put in lights, right, I mean

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it's right. I mean wouldn't everybody. But the code doesn't

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require that those are not considered entrance or exit locations

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for that. And the vehicle door garage door, no matter

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how much far it spans, or how many garage doors

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you have, or that's the typical way that you enter

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into it or whatnot, did not trigger it. Now again,

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I get a lot of people that say, well, I

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don't do the minimum, Well, then you do you? I

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mean I wouldn't either. I would put illuminair out there.

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It just makes sense to me, but you're not required

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to do that. Now, if you have a door there

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that is an entrance in an egress, then it's going

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to have to have illumination. Now, could the floodlights also

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do serve double duty and not only light up the

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driveway but also illuminate the entrance and egress door. Yes, could,

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and that would be fine and nothing nothing, nothing brain

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surgery ish about that right now. Let's see here also

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the next all you see is three when it's talking

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about interior stairs when you have six and more risers

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between floors. All it did there was add the wall

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switching there as well. Made sense, just added that in there.

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And then item number four says diming control of lighting

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outlets installed in accordance with two ten dot seventy A

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two three uh, and again A two three was the

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one we're talking about. Interior steps, okay, the stepping the

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entryway stairway, that type of thing. It just reminds. It says,

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dimmer controls of lighting outs installed in accordance with two

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ten dot seventy eight to two three shall not be

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permitted unless the listed control device can provide diming controls

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to maximum brightness at each control location for the interior

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stairway illumination. That's just common sense, right. So if you

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want to use dimmers on those lights that happened to

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illuminate the interior stairways, that's up to you. But if

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you're going to do those DIMI controls, then you have

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to what have listed control devices that can't provide DIMI

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controls to maximum brightenment brightness at each control location for

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the interior, so you're end up putting them at all locations.

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You can't just dim it from one and then once

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it's dimmed down and then you get to the other

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locations and you can't raise the illumination back up. That

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don't make sense. Okay, that would be like my you know,

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my son putting it at the lowest level with the

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first floor and then going to the second floor and

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then leaving it that way and I couldn't turn it

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back up, and then Daddy comes out and trips down

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the stairwell and breaks his neck. That's probably what he'd want,

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but that's not what he's gonna get. You get me.

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That's a shitty analogy, but it is what it is.

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So I figured, you know, why not, you know, throw

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it out there. The next one is B, which again

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that is just dealing with guestrooms and gains sweets. All

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they did was added the wall switches to that, so

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that's all that really changed there. And then lastly C

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deals with all occupancies. Okay, now this is not just

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specific to one family dwelling. This is all occupancies that

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have addicts in under floor spaces, utility rooms, and basements. Okay,

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so again make it clear, this is not just for dwelling.

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That's where people kind of lose sight. That's why it

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says all occupancies. It applies to dwellings, but it is

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all occupancies. It says for addicts and under floor spaces,

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utility rooms, and basements at least one lighting outlet containing

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a switch or control by a wall switch or listed

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wallmount of control device. And by the way, when it

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says containing a switch, we're talking something like a key list.

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You have a switch that's built right into the lamp holder. Okay,

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it's part of it right or controlled by a wall

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switch or listed wallmunt of control device, depending on your installation.

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Your application shall be installed where these spaces are used

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for storage or contain equipment requiring servicing, and shall comply

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with the following. So if you're going to store things

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down there, utility rooms, storage, underfloor space storage, attic storage,

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provided your addict this design for it and handles the

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loads all that kind of stuff. So in those areas,

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I need to have switches. And whether it's a wall

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switch or a listed wallmount of control device, or the

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switch is integral to the lighting outlet itself, either way,

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I got to have it. Now, there's three pieces here.

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Number one says a point of control shall be at

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each entry that permits access to the attic and under

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floor space, utility room and basement. You know what is

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you know what is significant with that? You're thinking, well,

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what's what's what? Why is that significant? All right, Well,

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it's it's not really a change. It's just making it

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very clear and breaking it out into points one to

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two and a three instead of it being one long paragraph.

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It's it's now made clearer to understand. And I think

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y'all already understand these. But again, and for the effort

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of people learning, if I have multiple interests into that

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attic and irony is that I do in my house,

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I've got two separate attic accesses in my house. Makes sense,

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So I'm going to have lumin air, I'm gonna have lighting,

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I'm gonna have lighting outlets, I'm gonna have switches. I'm

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gonna have that at each one of those accesses. Makes sense.

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But that would go to the same for utility room,

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and that would go the same for a basement. Uh.

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And again, people, I don't store shit in my basement.

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Come on, yeah you do, So anyway you got you

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would have to have the switches. Okay. Next, it says,

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where a lighting outlet is installed for equipment requiring servicing,

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the lighting outlet shall be installed at or near the equipment, right,

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So you could have lighting outlets in this space, Okay,

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but this makes it very clear. And again it's not

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that we're talking like ooh, is that a change. No,

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it said it previously. It says where the lighting outlet

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is installed for equipment. It says the lighting outlet shall

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be installed at ornither. That's not new. It's just that

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it was broken up now in a one to two

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and a three. That's all, so it's worth mentioning. But again,

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I want to be common sense because I do see

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this a lot from people who say, look, I've got

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a light I've got a basement, right and I've got

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this equipment that gets serviced, and the lighting outlet is

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more towards, you know, one side of the basement. Maybe

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I don't have one on the other side where the

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actually equipment is. So it's got to be installed at

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the equipment or near the equipment. Now we don't have

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a definition of near. It doesn't say immediately adjacent. I

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would like it to say that. It would be nice

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if it said installed at or immediately adjacent the equipment.

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Maybe that's a public input. Anybody out there wants to

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submit a public input. But right now it just says

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installed ad or near the equipment. That's gonna be hj call.

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But let's use a little common sense here. If it's

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on the other side of the room and I'm standing

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at it, and my whole body is blocking the light

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to get on the piece of equipment that I'm working on,

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and if my ass has got to go get a

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flashlight to work on it in a basement that has

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lumina airs in it, that's a problem. So let's not

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let the NEC dictate that. Let's use common sense and say, shit,

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I need lighting, and I need to make sure that

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I and anybody in the future that may be working

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on that equipment it's going to have enough illumination to

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work on that equipment. That's a common sense thing, and

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I would hope that we don't have to venture down

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that path of common sense versus the code being a

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minimum safety standard. But I guess sometimes I wonder. I wonder. Okay,

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Now Number three in this scenario is talking about controlling

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of the luminair in that space or the lighting outlet

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in that space. It says control by automatic means shall

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not be permitted. Okay, So this is like a motion

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sensor things like that shall not be permitted to control

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all illumination in addicts under floor spaces or control utility

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rooms unless a manual means to bypass the control is provided.

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So if you have a switch that is designed with

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a manual override, right, you can manually override it. You can.

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Usually these have a button you can push on it,

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but it also has an occupancy sensor or something like that.

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So you know, the cold goal here is we don't

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want to be in this area working on something, and

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you're working and something may block you from the sensor

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and then the damn light goes out in the middle

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of your working on something. So you have to have

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the ability. You can't fix stupid, but you have to

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have the ability for somebody to turn it on and

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override it and stay on. Now, what's interesting with this

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language is it says it shall not be permitted to

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control all illumination at You can control some of the

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illumination in that attic, right, or that yeah attic in

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under floor space utility room, and just not all of it.

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And I would say common sense would dictate you don't

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put the automation on the illuminair that's supplying option too.

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I mean item number two, which is for when you're

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servicing a piece of equipment. You're not gonna put that

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one on the automated Okay, automatic means that would be

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common sense, you would think, you would think, But in

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a world where we're trying to reduce the energy usage

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and if nobody's in there, just turn off all the

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lighting and YadA, YadA, YadA, I get it. So if

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you want to control all the luminaiirs in that space,

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by automatic means means you're going to have a means

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to bypass it, be able to push a button on

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the device and the light stays on and it kind

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of bypasses. The automatic means occupancy sensor, motion sensors, all

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that kind of stuff. Right, So that's that's in a

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nutshell what it's talking about. All right. So hopefully that's

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been a decent analysis for you. We're gonna be doing

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a lot of these, and as you know, my goal

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is to make things easy to understand, even if it's

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you know, something that most of us think is as

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simple as two ten seventy And I'll have my haters

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out there that say, Paul, you turn that into a

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thirty minute podcast when you could have explained all that

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in two minutes. Well, you know, get over it. That's

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how I do it. So you don't have to listen.

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If you don't want to listen, Okay, I'm not here

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for you. I'm here for people that want to learn. Okay,

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all right, So that's it, folks. Hopefully you got something

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out of day's episode. Till next time, stay safe, God Bless,

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and we will catch you on an upcoming episode of

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Master the NEC podcast. Take care, God Bless.

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Mm hmm