Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond.
Speaker 2: With Cliff and Bulbo. These guys are your favorites, so
Speaker 2: like to subscribe and read it.
Speaker 3: Five Stock and Me.
Speaker 1: Grates on Yesterday and listening watching Lim always keep it Squatching.
Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James booble Fay.
Speaker 2: Hey Bob, So what's happening man?
Speaker 4: Oh, not much, just uh getting ready for a pod.
Speaker 2: Getting ready for a pod. Yeah, Well, we have a
Speaker 2: little bit more sad news to uh spread this week. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: good friend of ours, great bigfoot researcher, guy who's been
Speaker 2: in the game a long time, super enthusiastic, super active,
Speaker 2: Scott Violette, has passed away. Unfortunately.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's terrible, man. He's a great guy. Him and
Speaker 4: his wife Hannah had that Squatch America that were going on.
Speaker 4: We had him on the show. I mean they were
Speaker 4: guests on here, and well, I just feel terrible for Hannah.
Speaker 4: And he was I mean, he was he knew his stuff,
Speaker 4: he was level headed, I mean, he was open minded,
Speaker 4: he was he was just a really good dude and
Speaker 4: truly dedicated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and outside of the bigfoot world, he was a
Speaker 2: veteran of course, I think he served in Afghanistan if
Speaker 2: I remember correctly. And yeah, and he was just a
Speaker 2: great dude to be around. Who I mean, the entire community.
Speaker 2: If you knew the guy, your bundy's gone. I mean
Speaker 2: it's the bottom line, Like, this's not like anybody didn't
Speaker 2: like the guy. He was beloved wherever he went, you know.
Speaker 2: So he's huge loss for the Bigfoot community. Super sad
Speaker 2: to see him go.
Speaker 4: It just like a week and a half after Jeff.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just they go in threes. It's like
Speaker 4: God just dreading if someone else is going to pop
Speaker 4: up now. Yeah, well this is for you, Scott.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then for it's worth you know, to help
Speaker 2: Hannah out throughout this time. And she has a GoFundMe
Speaker 2: going Prude'll put that in the show notes. If you
Speaker 2: have an extra buck, like even a dollar, if you
Speaker 2: have one hundred dollars, come my gosh, give it, but
Speaker 2: an extra dollar. If if half of our listenership did that,
Speaker 2: she would be very very much better off than she
Speaker 2: is right now. So give what you can help help
Speaker 2: Hannah out in Scott's memory, And yeah, but we don't
Speaker 2: want to dwell too long on the sad news. What
Speaker 2: have you been doing bobs.
Speaker 4: Uh when I went to get my phone again in
Speaker 4: the day, but it ended up pouring Like they said
Speaker 4: it was gonna start raining kind of light and the
Speaker 4: late after early afternoon and then pick up this you
Speaker 4: know later than that you really start raining. But it
Speaker 4: was dumping about like eight thirty nine this morning was
Speaker 4: like fully just pouring rain. So we uh made it
Speaker 4: a tempt but it was just it was so wet.
Speaker 4: It was like, no way, it's it's gonna be too
Speaker 4: like we you know, were supposed to go down like
Speaker 4: the hill side and stuff. It was gonna be like
Speaker 4: way too muddy slippery. So supposed to rain for a
Speaker 4: couple of days, like another day or so and then
Speaker 4: wait till it drives up a little bit and go
Speaker 4: back up there again.
Speaker 2: And you need the phone now for what reason? Is
Speaker 2: it just just the pictures and stuff fun there because
Speaker 2: it's been this deactivated, right, yeah, but it's.
Speaker 4: Still it's still getting my messages for to open up
Speaker 4: my online accounts. Most of them are still going, like
Speaker 4: the banking stuff are still going to that other phone.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, it seems like that could be taken care
Speaker 2: of on the back end.
Speaker 4: That's a long story. I'll tell you later.
Speaker 2: Okay, very good, very good. Well you've been out of
Speaker 2: the field at all, you've been doing anything interesting like that,
Speaker 2: any bigfoot stuff. You said there were some tracks or
Speaker 2: something right there.
Speaker 4: That got rained out this morning too. We're gonna go.
Speaker 4: We're gonna go. Look. But the guy was, he was
Speaker 4: his job was he was in charge of the guys
Speaker 4: monitoring the fire old fire lines up there from the fire.
Speaker 4: But they all they didn't they bounced today because it
Speaker 4: was poor and run. They just didn't even come into work.
Speaker 2: Well, they're in the area. It's a good place to go.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll probably leave some more prints.
Speaker 4: Doug and Todd we're sitting on the side of the
Speaker 4: road on the Go road on Donahue Flat intersection there,
Speaker 4: you know, like six miles up whatever that is. And
Speaker 4: this guy pulls because you guys, all right, you need
Speaker 4: help anything like now, we're just chilling, you know, hang, guys,
Speaker 4: what are you doing here? They're like, oh, we're looking
Speaker 4: for big fist. If he goes, no way goes. Check
Speaker 4: this out. He jumps out of his truck, shows me
Speaker 4: we had his on a cell phone. He found tracks
Speaker 4: the day before offtime. He fled along along the cut line.
Speaker 4: He was hiking it. There was prints coming down. I
Speaker 4: guess they're not much bigger than mine, probably my shoe,
Speaker 4: But there came they weren't They weren't huge. I could
Speaker 4: be twelve thirteen inches, it looked like. And they the
Speaker 4: guy uh took pictures, like just two photos, one of
Speaker 4: the track line, one of one of the tracks up close,
Speaker 4: so you could see all the toes, like the detail
Speaker 4: like it was in kind of like the sophom like
Speaker 4: kind of half dried mud. They said it looked really good,
Speaker 4: and they waited. He said, he goes, hey, I gotta
Speaker 4: do something for ten minutes. I'll be right back. I'll
Speaker 4: take you guys right to it. Jumped in his truck, goes,
Speaker 4: wait here, I'll be back on ten, and took off
Speaker 4: and never came back. They waited over two hours. The
Speaker 4: guy never showed up.
Speaker 2: That's unfortunate. I assume they didn't find it.
Speaker 4: They didn't even look, dude, they didn't know it was
Speaker 4: somewhere along the burn line.
Speaker 2: No, that's the kind of dangerous if you're going to
Speaker 2: go play around in those areas. I guess, well, cool,
Speaker 2: Well I got out a little bit. My brother was
Speaker 2: in town. My brother showed up last Wednesday, Rob Rob exactly.
Speaker 2: So he showed up Wednesday night. I picked him at
Speaker 2: the airport, you know, and I've made some dinner at
Speaker 2: the house, just hung out. Thursday, took them out to
Speaker 2: the woods all day just to say, hey, this is
Speaker 2: this is what your brother is up to. This is
Speaker 2: what I do at least once a week, because that's
Speaker 2: it had been a while as well. I've been pretty
Speaker 2: tied up with some other way more important stuff unfortunately,
Speaker 2: dealing with like the meldrum stuff, that all that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. But I did get out to the woods
Speaker 2: on Wednesday for the first time in a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks and went to some of the regular spots, you know,
Speaker 2: the outer rim. Basically, I'm not you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: really going to the other spots so much at this point.
Speaker 2: So I'm trying out some new regular spots because I
Speaker 2: have like four or five spots I try to frequent,
Speaker 2: some kind of diversifying my locations.
Speaker 4: At the moment.
Speaker 2: Because of those fake tracks that were found out there
Speaker 2: and at one of my regular spots in July, so
Speaker 2: I'm leaving that one alone for from now on, basically,
Speaker 2: because the other spots are just as good and nobody
Speaker 2: knows where those are, and I don't have to be
Speaker 2: concerned about infiltrators and hoaxers and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how word got out on that one,
Speaker 2: but somebody told somebody and told somebody else sort of thing.
Speaker 2: So anyway, but sure enough I found tracks. I found
Speaker 2: a fourteen inch track that wasn't too old, I'm guessing
Speaker 2: within a week or so, maybe two, because I want
Speaker 2: to show my brother some tracks in the ground, you know. So,
Speaker 2: and I located a trackway of three different individuals. Back
Speaker 2: in June, I was out there with my buddy Kelly
Speaker 2: the mue and that guy from buck Cherry, you know.
Speaker 2: And so I took him out there and we found tracks.
Speaker 2: That day, I visited again with I think I went
Speaker 2: out with Less Stroud. Next we did this little filming
Speaker 2: out there for his documentary. So I put him on
Speaker 2: a trackway and you know, film some stuff, cast a
Speaker 2: couple of them. A couple of them came out pretty
Speaker 2: okay too, not the usual blobso plaster. And then I
Speaker 2: brought Darby out there when he visited July, and so
Speaker 2: I figured, you know what, tracks round here can last
Speaker 2: a long time. So I went out to the outer
Speaker 2: rim in hopes of finding one or two that were
Speaker 2: still in okay shape so I can show my brother
Speaker 2: some tracks in the ground. And we got out there,
Speaker 2: there was nothing new going on. We looked to change
Speaker 2: the cameras out that we have out there and stuff.
Speaker 2: Didn't find any other tracks. Didn't go to the swamp
Speaker 2: that would have been some pretty rough, you know, hiking
Speaker 2: from my brother. But we did locate the trackway and
Speaker 2: there was a handprint there that still looked okay. You
Speaker 2: can see all the fingers and stuff. And then that
Speaker 2: was on the berm going up on the side of
Speaker 2: the abandoned logging road that we were walking on. And
Speaker 2: then I showed him with a couple of tracks, a
Speaker 2: couple of tracks that we had already cast, and then
Speaker 2: we went off in the woods. I did find a
Speaker 2: track that I had not cast or done anything with
Speaker 2: that the big toe and that couple of the other
Speaker 2: toes impressed into the moss a little bit and had
Speaker 2: a nice heel, So I got to show him that,
Speaker 2: which is nice. And then we went back to the
Speaker 2: car and to get some water, and then I said, well,
Speaker 2: you know, let me go look down this other side
Speaker 2: road that I almost never go on, but I have
Speaker 2: found tracks down there one other time. I found the
Speaker 2: seventeen incher down there one time. We nicknamed that Sasquatch
Speaker 2: Jaba because we nicknamed this whole place the Outer Rim.
Speaker 2: So last year I did find a track one time
Speaker 2: down the side road, so I said, let's try that.
Speaker 2: Let's go down there. My brother decided to stay at
Speaker 2: the car and kind of poke around and just enjoy
Speaker 2: the silence, because you know, he lives in Long Beach, California,
Speaker 2: within hearing distance of the freeway and stuff, so he
Speaker 2: really enjoys the silence of coming up to Oregon to
Speaker 2: visit his little brother. So he stayed at the car,
Speaker 2: and I walked down the road this other trail thing
Speaker 2: about ten minutes down and towards the end, probably within
Speaker 2: fifty yards of where we found Jaba's track. Last year,
Speaker 2: I found this other track. It seemed to be of
Speaker 2: the fourteen inch individual. It was on a slight incline,
Speaker 2: like maybe a thirty degree slope, and it was walking
Speaker 2: alongside the slope to the point where it The only
Speaker 2: reason I really even noticed it because the impression wasn't
Speaker 2: deep at all, and that's kind of a one of
Speaker 2: these myths about the bigfoot tracks is that they're insanely
Speaker 2: deep because they're super super heavy, and yeah, that can
Speaker 2: be true sometimes, but I don't find that to be
Speaker 2: true most of the time.
Speaker 4: Honestly.
Speaker 2: The only reason I noticed this one it had a
Speaker 2: pretty nice heel and then a couple of the toes
Speaker 2: impressed really nicely. Not deep though, because what happened here
Speaker 2: is that the foot pushed down and then slid slightly
Speaker 2: sideways a little bit to the left. And what that
Speaker 2: did is it disturbed the top layer of soil and
Speaker 2: exposed a slightly moisture layer underneath, so you could see
Speaker 2: the darkness of the soil. It was a darker color
Speaker 2: than the stuff that was you know, sun bleached and
Speaker 2: bone dry up on top. And so you can actually
Speaker 2: see all four or five toes in there. Beautiful heel.
Speaker 2: It measured about fourteen inches long, and there were some
Speaker 2: other scuffs nearby, but that was the only track that
Speaker 2: you can really make things out of, you know, And
Speaker 2: the rest of this stuff was, Oh, I can tell
Speaker 2: something walked here because the ground was disturbed, but you could.
Speaker 2: You couldn't really nail any shape or anything down. So
Speaker 2: I did send you a picture of that one, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: Gonna say, I got the picture of that. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 4: How those those ones that aren't how do they shop
Speaker 4: with a three D scan of the show up on
Speaker 4: the app? You got? Not?
Speaker 2: Well? Not well? But I believe me, check real fast
Speaker 2: on my phone right here. I'm pretty sure I scanned
Speaker 2: that one mostly the scans on my phone. At least
Speaker 2: they have the GPS coordinates on it, because you know,
Speaker 2: I keep the uh my e x IF information on
Speaker 2: the download there. I don't really, I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: show the locations on my photographs, you know, because it's
Speaker 2: nobody's business where on Bigfoot as far as I'm concerned. No, no,
Speaker 2: they It turned out okay. But you know, I can
Speaker 2: export it as a little movie and I'll send it
Speaker 2: to you. Maybe Matt Proute'll put it on the members
Speaker 2: or something like that for you. So maybe that's a
Speaker 2: good way to go with it. But yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 2: I found a pretty cool track this this this week.
Speaker 2: It's nice to getut in the woods, and honestly, I
Speaker 2: mean it's a weird thing to say. My young Cliff
Speaker 2: would never ever say this, but I'm kind of looking
Speaker 2: forward to the end of summer here and you know,
Speaker 2: the onset of fall and winter, because the tracking is
Speaker 2: so much better during those months, even though a lot
Speaker 2: of the area is inaccessible because of snow, especially once
Speaker 2: winter hits, but the tracking is just so much better.
Speaker 2: And in the ground, you know, the ground's all dry
Speaker 2: and crusty during the summer, it's like, yeah, this sucks, man,
Speaker 2: Let's let's give me some mud.
Speaker 4: That's always the best. Have it rained early in this
Speaker 4: like a late Indian summer kind of rain thing, and
Speaker 4: then then you get like another four or six weeks
Speaker 4: of dryness. But there was enough to like make tracks
Speaker 4: possible for a few days, and they're preserved for a while,
Speaker 4: like not like in the winter, like there's tracks and
Speaker 4: they're washed out like two days later or something. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the forest Duff doesn't hold stuff very well.
Speaker 2: You can't cast in it. And yeah, I'm ready. I'm
Speaker 2: glad falls here. You know, the trees are starting to
Speaker 2: turn and stuff. I'm looking forward to getting out woods,
Speaker 2: but that's got to wait a few weeks because I've
Speaker 2: got to go to New York in a couple of
Speaker 2: days for the first ever New York Bigfoot conference. So
Speaker 2: I'm gone till Sunday, and then I'm home for a
Speaker 2: couple of days, and then I'm gonna head down to
Speaker 2: Willow Creek to help out with their museum thing a
Speaker 2: little bit, to help help them with their display stuff.
Speaker 2: And I hear some folks might be in town and
Speaker 2: around that time, try to rally with them, or maybe
Speaker 2: try try to rally with you. Drop by Humble State
Speaker 2: University to check out the archiving out down there. So
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff to do, a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: to do here in the next couple of weeks. But
Speaker 2: after that, towards the end of October, I actually have
Speaker 2: some breathing room in my schedule for probably the first
Speaker 2: time since June. So I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages. But were you
Speaker 2: starting to notice a thinning hair? Who me, maybe a
Speaker 2: little a little hair left or a little thinning hair both. Well,
Speaker 2: I've got good news for you. Bobo Hymns offers access
Speaker 2: to prescription treatments for regrowing hair and as little as
Speaker 2: three to six months, so you can see a fuller
Speaker 2: head of hair like Bobo in the old days by fall.
Speaker 4: That'd be nice having a fresh fall crop to harvest.
Speaker 2: Soweet Hymns offers convenient access to a range of prescription
Speaker 2: hair loss treatments with ingredients at work, including choose oral medication,
Speaker 2: serums and sprays.
Speaker 4: Yep, doctors trust this stuff. It's been clinically proven. It's
Speaker 4: got ingredients like finesteride and oxidil, and that stuff can
Speaker 4: stop hair loss and we go hair in as little
Speaker 4: as three to six months.
Speaker 2: You can get started from the comfort of your own home, cave,
Speaker 2: motor home, or wherever you happen to be by filling
Speaker 2: out an intake form and a medical provider will determine
Speaker 2: if treatment is right for you. If prescribed, your treatment
Speaker 2: is sent directly to you for free.
Speaker 4: The process is one hundred percent online, which means getting
Speaker 4: started has never been more convenient, and even if sasquatch
Speaker 4: can do it, it's so easy.
Speaker 2: No insurance is needed and one low price covers everything
Speaker 2: from treatments to ongoing care. Plus treatment options start at
Speaker 2: just thirty five dollars a month. Start your free online
Speaker 2: visit today at hymns dot com slash beyond.
Speaker 4: That's hims dot com slash beyond for personalized hair loss
Speaker 4: treatment options.
Speaker 2: Hymns dot com slash beyond.
Speaker 1: Individual results may vary based on studies of topical and
Speaker 1: oral monoxidyal and finasteride. Prescription required. See website for full details,
Speaker 1: restrictions and important safety information.
Speaker 4: I guess we got Q and Ago on theday from
Speaker 4: the listeners.
Speaker 2: That's what I hear. That's what I hear. Matt Pruit,
Speaker 2: Do you have some questions for us?
Speaker 3: We do.
Speaker 1: We got a number of questions here, but as usual,
Speaker 1: we'll start with the voicemails, so let me cue the
Speaker 1: first one up for you.
Speaker 5: Hey Cliff, Heybomo. Big fan of the show is Dan
Speaker 5: from Mesa. First of all, with how accurate Bigfit have
Speaker 5: been seen to throw rocks not just small pebbles, but
Speaker 5: large bowlders as well. Do you think they can use
Speaker 5: these rocks as tools for hunting, say an ambush and
Speaker 5: throwing a rock at high velocity breaking legs and necks
Speaker 5: of deer? Love the show? Thanks?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely got a lot of stories better than
Speaker 4: throwing Rocks. Mean, there's a story of not hunting with them.
Speaker 4: But Derek Randalls saw him throwing when he got chased
Speaker 4: off the Olympic Peninsula about thirty something years ago. It
Speaker 4: was they were throwing kind of like a almost like
Speaker 4: an underhand softball pitcher, but more side arm to it,
Speaker 4: you know, with their with their fist facing you, coming
Speaker 4: like the backhand of their hand facing then flicking it
Speaker 4: like flicking it kind of side under arm. And he
Speaker 4: said that I was throwing it with pretty good accuracy. Personally,
Speaker 4: I've been hit with pebbles a couple of times. I've
Speaker 4: seen someone get hit holding a camera a recorder in
Speaker 4: New Mexico that Hiccaria one in two thousand and four.
Speaker 4: Right before before I saw that one, we were walking
Speaker 4: around and Chris was holding the camcord in two times
Speaker 4: in like five minutes. I know. It was right after
Speaker 4: I saw the way it was right, that's right. It
Speaker 4: was like minutes after I saw. We were out there
Speaker 4: with the cameras and you know, infrared floodlight whatever and spotlight,
Speaker 4: trying to do it the old Sony cam. And then
Speaker 4: he added up to his eye walking around and twice
Speaker 4: pebble's bank hit the you just cracked, like you hear
Speaker 4: the pebble, you know, little rock small maybe marble size,
Speaker 4: hit right hit the camera exactly and just you know,
Speaker 4: you're just like WHOA Like the thing I had such
Speaker 4: good and it was we never saw it, but it
Speaker 4: was obviously nearby. I've heard of the people described them
Speaker 4: throwing the same way and throwing rocks and like just
Speaker 4: throwing something the size of a candlope, just blasting a
Speaker 4: deer in the ribs and just just you know, knocking
Speaker 4: it down and knocking the wind out of it, you know,
Speaker 4: breaking its ribs and they jump out and then snap
Speaker 4: its neck. I mean, I've I've heard him throw things.
Speaker 4: I've seen it. I've seen rocks come flying out over
Speaker 4: tree lines and landing behind us on Bluff Creek. But
Speaker 4: then uh yeah, then there's the classic store. Was this
Speaker 4: guy the Navy, the Navy seals all these these wing
Speaker 4: inflatable boats are like the best inflatable They're like kind
Speaker 4: of like a zodiac. They're like a like a high
Speaker 4: custom made zodiacs soft soft shell boats. And it was
Speaker 4: they test them on the rivers up here and all that,
Speaker 4: like that's how I got to go look for tracks
Speaker 4: for my buddy. Used to be the test platform back
Speaker 4: in the late nineties early two thousands. But anyways, the
Speaker 4: owner of that guy, Bill Wing, he was a kid
Speaker 4: growing up in the sixties. His dad, he stick came
Speaker 4: to his brother out and dropped off separate places and
Speaker 4: they have to go for two weeks every summer and
Speaker 4: he's cash food for him and like supplies. They had
Speaker 4: a hike all through the Trinity Outs right where our
Speaker 4: classic I think it was episode fifty five. I think
Speaker 4: that was one of the most popular ones. That forester
Speaker 4: that had that experience, which she was nineteen backpacking at
Speaker 4: ran Byron the night right right right like within like
Speaker 4: three miles there was with this guy. This happened like
Speaker 4: thirty years earlier, but he was he got there about
Speaker 4: there's a little airstrip up on top of this like plateau,
Speaker 4: and his dad was going to pick him up there.
Speaker 4: So he was sitting there waiting and was back against
Speaker 4: He was in this old clump of old growth trees
Speaker 4: on the edge of a on the edge of a
Speaker 4: canyon up on top. He sitting there with his back
Speaker 4: like five six foot you know, diameter old growth furze
Speaker 4: all a sudden boom, the tree just explodes behind him,
Speaker 4: like just the whole tree shakes. So what that? Then
Speaker 4: another one boom just he looks over about one hundred
Speaker 4: and eighty yards away because his dad was measuring it
Speaker 4: from there. When they got in the plane, there was
Speaker 4: like an eight nine ten foot he couldn't tell, he said, huge, huge,
Speaker 4: bigfoot flinging rocks the same way he described as Derek
Speaker 4: Randalls at one hundred and eighty yards or swinging like
Speaker 4: candilop sized rocks like laser beams across the canyon and
Speaker 4: just blasting into that trees and take got big chunks.
Speaker 4: And apparently the last time that there was fifteen twenty
Speaker 4: years ago in the two thousands, and those trees were
Speaker 4: still there with those big chunks scarred into the trunk.
Speaker 4: You know, multiple multiple, multiple hits with this thing blasted
Speaker 4: rocks into the tree. So that gives you an idea
Speaker 4: about how they're throwing ability. But you guys, just did
Speaker 4: you guys just see that article about chimpanzees and other
Speaker 4: great apes how inaccurate they are when they throw objects
Speaker 4: like sticks and rocks. Did you guys see that article?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't see that. Did you submit it so
Speaker 2: we can talk about it during the next topical episode.
Speaker 4: I got it to say, I'll pull it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please do that. Might that'd be a great one
Speaker 2: to look at.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they I thought I sent them. Toby just saved it,
Speaker 4: but they got only twenty percent accuracy. The great apes
Speaker 4: the chimps were the best, and they were like a
Speaker 4: twenty percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always wondered if the rock throwing was mostly used
Speaker 1: to flush animals, because it seems to be used it
Speaker 1: humans to flush them in many of those situations, you know,
Speaker 1: like how many stories have you heard about where you
Speaker 1: know everyone's outside and it's either quiet or there's minimal activity,
Speaker 1: and then they all go into a cabin and then boom,
Speaker 1: a rock hits the cabin and then what happens like
Speaker 1: everyone runs outside the look and then it's quiet again,
Speaker 1: and you know that repeats itself, and so it's almost
Speaker 1: like the intention is to get you to move where
Speaker 1: you're visible again. And you think, man, if you're a
Speaker 1: nocturnal hunter, you have an inkling that there's deer hiding
Speaker 1: in some brush or a thicket or bedded down. If
Speaker 1: you could toss a rock that would scatter them, you
Speaker 1: could lay eyes on them.
Speaker 3: So I don't think it's out of the question that
Speaker 3: they could hunt with rocks.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting that all the hunting reports and the
Speaker 1: claims of people seeing sasquatches hunt animals as always by
Speaker 1: like apprehending them by hand and dispatching the animals that way.
Speaker 1: You know, that doesn't mean they don't use rocks to hunt.
Speaker 1: It's just interesting that people haven't claimed to see that
Speaker 1: or watch that occur.
Speaker 4: So well, yeah, I've talked to people, not a lot,
Speaker 4: but I'm talking to people that have seen more back
Speaker 4: in like Tennessee, Kentucky that out.
Speaker 3: Area premanancy, like the animal get hit by the rock.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like the squatch is there and it just we'll
Speaker 4: see a rock come flying out and blasted deer and
Speaker 4: then and then a squad. I saw one person they
Speaker 4: saw it actually throw it then or maybe two people, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think I think I talked to two less, so
Speaker 4: they actually saw it throw the rock. But I've talked
Speaker 4: to like probably four or five people that have seen
Speaker 4: a rock come flying out and blasted deer in a meadow,
Speaker 4: then the thing run out and get it. And so
Speaker 4: when also when they saw a rock blast a turkey
Speaker 4: out of a tree one time. If they're looking at
Speaker 4: these turkeys, they're glassing these turkeys in the tree, they're
Speaker 4: you know, hunting in full cameo and uh, it's you know,
Speaker 4: like four or five hundred yards away. They've just seen
Speaker 4: this rock up with just big shower of feathers come down,
Speaker 4: the turkey get blasted out of the tree and they
Speaker 4: all go flying off. So I guess, uh. And then
Speaker 4: I was told up in Quinnallt in the Olympic Olympic
Speaker 4: Peninsula the natives up there, so that they said they
Speaker 4: hunt with rocks up there.
Speaker 2: Also, Yeah, I've never heard anything personally, but I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be a bit surprised if they did, of course, But
Speaker 2: I was just going to add that they must be
Speaker 2: fairly accurate with the rock throwing, if for no other
Speaker 2: reason then people don't seem to get hit by the
Speaker 2: large rocks, that they're only generally hit by small ones.
Speaker 2: That right there is somewhat of an indicator that they
Speaker 2: have some level of accuracy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then there's people have I've talked to people that
Speaker 4: said they've had bowling ball rocks go within five feet
Speaker 4: of their head like one hundred miles an hours. You've
Speaker 4: heard that before, right.
Speaker 1: Not any near misses with like bowling ball, but you know,
Speaker 1: I've I've talked to plenty of people who've had like
Speaker 1: big rocks land around them, but not like whiz by
Speaker 1: their head.
Speaker 3: I mean that'd be pretty terrifying.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I've definitely heard that for sure several times,
Speaker 4: like or a bigger rock could have killed and going
Speaker 4: like I think how to have pinpoint accuracy or just
Speaker 4: or it didn't because they said it was scary as hell,
Speaker 4: Like there's like that, like just they're like the fact
Speaker 4: that they could have killed them not easily, like they
Speaker 4: said it was like definitely it would have been fatal
Speaker 4: to get hit by it. You know, it comes by
Speaker 4: like wizzing by their head within five feet. That's pretty sketchy.
Speaker 4: I mean I've had him throw big rocks around me,
Speaker 4: but never at me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't say I ever have, so, I mean
Speaker 2: I've had things around me again, but not at me.
Speaker 2: I've never been hit by a pebble or anything like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was hard to say, but again, I think the
Speaker 2: lack of people being hit says something about how accurate
Speaker 2: they can.
Speaker 4: Throw yeah, yeah, exactly, because it was random that hit
Speaker 4: people once in a while. Totally.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully we've answered us question well enough. I guess
Speaker 2: should we move on to the next one. I know
Speaker 2: we have several more voicemails to get through.
Speaker 3: Here is the next voicemail.
Speaker 6: Hi there, Cliff, Matt, and Bobo. My name is Janet
Speaker 6: and I live in Vermont. My question concerns monkeys in
Speaker 6: South America. I think the leading theory now is that
Speaker 6: monkeys arrived in South America via vegetative rafts from Africa.
Speaker 6: That seems pretty unbelievable given the distance between the two continents,
Speaker 6: but I guess it's it's true. I know that you
Speaker 6: were looking for a bigfoot creature in the Amazon. At
Speaker 6: one point I had assumed that if they were. If
Speaker 6: bigfoots were traveling to South America, they would have come
Speaker 6: through the Bearing straight. Do you think that there is
Speaker 6: a chance that bigfoots would have crossed over the ocean
Speaker 6: on vegetative mats? They are kind of heavy and that
Speaker 6: you have the most adorable giggle, Thanks so much from
Speaker 6: a squatchhead pigeon.
Speaker 3: This is obviously a wonderful woman of an exquisite.
Speaker 2: Taste right, well, soundsquatches on rafts. I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the way they got to North America.
Speaker 2: I think that they just came over the land bridge.
Speaker 2: And because we don't know how long they've been there,
Speaker 2: of course, and I guess the theory about rafts with
Speaker 2: like these monkeys and stuff coming over from Africa, that
Speaker 2: apparently that happened something over thirty million years ago. I
Speaker 2: don't know how much closer South America and Africa were
Speaker 2: at that point compared to what they are now, because
Speaker 2: plate tectonics would have moved them around a bit. I mean,
Speaker 2: once upon a time, Africa and South America were connected.
Speaker 2: After all, if you look at the shapes of the continent,
Speaker 2: it's like two pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. They fit together,
Speaker 2: and the rocks are the same on both those locations,
Speaker 2: and they are dated the same. It's a done deal.
Speaker 2: It's a slam dunk that those two continents were actually
Speaker 2: connected at one point, you know, back in the Pangaea days,
Speaker 2: basically so. But how much closer they were they I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. So the thing I'm looking
Speaker 2: at right now says about nine hundred miles between the two.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's accurate. I don't really know. I have no idea,
Speaker 2: but I don't think sasquatches do that. I don't think
Speaker 2: sasquatches came over in rafts. But I would say this,
Speaker 2: there is a parallel thing going on, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: down in Indonesia. When you look at the Indonesian islands,
Speaker 2: quite a few of them have stories of both the
Speaker 2: little folks, the little guys like the Homo fluesiensis or
Speaker 2: Homo louson ensis. Some places call them Ebu Gogo. Now,
Speaker 2: doctor Gregory Fourth, who's been a podcast guest before, talked
Speaker 2: about his new book where there's some critters living on
Speaker 2: the island of Floras. Even still, he believes he's an
Speaker 2: anthropologist and he does a lot of work down there
Speaker 2: on Flora's And when you look further, Sulawisi has reports
Speaker 2: of both the little guys and the big guys. Several
Speaker 2: of the islands down there have reports of large and
Speaker 2: small hairy hominoids. And then of course you look past
Speaker 2: that and you have Australia. So I think that down there,
Speaker 2: I think that there's a very reasonable chance that that
Speaker 2: much much shorter journey could have been made on some
Speaker 2: sort of rafts or you know, these things were swept
Speaker 2: out the sea and grabbed a big floating log or
Speaker 2: a chunk of you know, seaweed or something and floated
Speaker 2: over to a new place Australia for example. Right, maybe
Speaker 2: that's how those things, yeah he's got there back in
Speaker 2: the day. Don't really know. And I think that's one
Speaker 2: of the cool things that we will learn eventually once
Speaker 2: the discovery of the sasquatch is said and done. When
Speaker 2: we start, it'd be hard to track that sort of stuff,
Speaker 2: especially twenty thirty fifty years ago. But now you can
Speaker 2: actually track ancient migrations to some degree based on genetics.
Speaker 2: So if we get once sasquatches are proven to be
Speaker 2: a real species, several of the other unknown hominoids Harry
Speaker 2: bipeds around the world will certainly be the next dominoes
Speaker 2: to fall, because if those things can be in North America,
Speaker 2: then they can be in China, they can be in Russia,
Speaker 2: they can be in Vietnam. That's no problem. If they're
Speaker 2: actually under our nose here in North America, then I
Speaker 2: think that the scientists won't laugh as hard at the
Speaker 2: idea of a bipedal primate being alive in those other
Speaker 2: places and several others Australia for example, and when then
Speaker 2: those other species are recognized and we can do some
Speaker 2: genetic sleuthing to find out the migratory routes that they
Speaker 2: took once so large enough sampling has been obtained. So yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of interesting questions are going to be answered,
Speaker 2: and I think it's all going to start with the
Speaker 2: discovery or the academic recognition, I should say, of the sasquatch,
Speaker 2: stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Ay, Cliff, didn't they didn't they find it real like
Speaker 4: way more recent hal overgramss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one between sixteen and nineteen thousand years
Speaker 2: ago in China. Yeah, insane, right, insane. I mean we've
Speaker 2: started living in cities just a little bit after that.
Speaker 2: You know, agriculture was developed about what what is it,
Speaker 2: twelve or fourteen thousand years ago in humans Homo sapiens,
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's just a bit before. And just because
Speaker 2: we have a fossil from sixteen to nineteen thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: that does not mean that's when they died out. That's
Speaker 2: that's an assumption made by people who listen to the
Speaker 2: news reports. Basically that you know, like the most recent
Speaker 2: fossil of Paranthropis boise eyes eight hundred thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that's when they went extinct. I mean,
Speaker 2: what are the chances that the most recent fossil that
Speaker 2: we have is the very very very very last one
Speaker 2: that ever exists? Like almost zero right for each species too.
Speaker 2: I know that's saying that's a ridiculous assumption. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe it's true. I mean, anything's possible, but it seems
Speaker 2: awfully unlikely. So the fact that we have a homohydelber
Speaker 2: against his skull from China sixteen to nineteen thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: that's a pretty strong indicator that they were maybe some persisted,
Speaker 2: maybe even to the present day. Who knows, who really knows.
Speaker 2: I don't know, of course, but I do think it's
Speaker 2: ridiculously unlikely that sixteen to nineteen thousand year old skull
Speaker 2: was the very very last one.
Speaker 4: To ever exist.
Speaker 2: That means that human beings, when they started living in
Speaker 2: small villages and kind of starting raising animals and farming
Speaker 2: and that sort of stuff, they were seeing these large,
Speaker 2: you know, rather robust, likely hairy bipeds living in the
Speaker 2: woods outside of town. Basically, they were seeing these things
Speaker 2: out there, and of course they slapped words on them,
Speaker 2: because that's what humans do. We name things and we
Speaker 2: make up stories about them. You know, that's very likely
Speaker 2: the source of a lot of these stories, you know,
Speaker 2: from you know, the green man or nephelum or whatever
Speaker 2: word you want to slap on these things. The people
Speaker 2: living in town saw these weird kind of humanish things
Speaker 2: out there, put a word on it, made up a
Speaker 2: story about it. Innerbred with this animal, or innerbread with
Speaker 2: this angel or whatever. And there you go. And then
Speaker 2: the cultural traces of relative hominoids throughout the world is
Speaker 2: right there under our nose. It's so interesting. What a
Speaker 2: fascinating time to be interested in paleoanthropology. Well, any who,
Speaker 2: shall we hop onto the next one?
Speaker 7: Yeah, hey guys, it's John from the UK. I'm a
Speaker 7: long time listener, love the podcast. Thank you so much
Speaker 7: for all your efforts and contributions to the cause. I'm
Speaker 7: as touched as anybody by the death of Professor Maldrum,
Speaker 7: but it's prompted me to ask a question. I once
Speaker 7: heard an interview with doctor Maldrum and I can no
Speaker 7: longer find it. And he was relaying what he described
Speaker 7: as his most convincing eyewitness testimony, and it was about
Speaker 7: a woman that he appeared to know quite well, who
Speaker 7: had worked in the city, I think, and then become
Speaker 7: a bit of a recluse herding goats. And she recounts
Speaker 7: how she saw a sasquatch, she saw that the emotion
Speaker 7: on her face, and this sasquatch, apparently a female, had
Speaker 7: a juvenile with her that leant out from behind her,
Speaker 7: and apparently the main sasquatch picked the juvenile up and
Speaker 7: walked off into the brush. And I just wondered if
Speaker 7: you could point in the direction of that interview, or
Speaker 7: if you had any further information about who that woman
Speaker 7: was or what that particular instance was, because it was
Speaker 7: very composed. Once again, thanks so much for the great podcast,
Speaker 7: and really appreciate it. Thanks guys, Speak soon.
Speaker 1: That was Julie Davis of Colorado out in Higgins, good
Speaker 1: friend of mine, longtime tassquatch researcher. Spent quite a bit
Speaker 1: of time with her and knew her quite well. Some
Speaker 1: of the details that John's remembering are a bit different,
Speaker 1: but I did pull up. There is a report that
Speaker 1: was submitted on the BFRO, so I'll link that in
Speaker 1: the show notes, but if you're just listening, you want
Speaker 1: to look it up real fast without clicking the show notes.
Speaker 1: It's report two to one one zero, and it is
Speaker 1: a fascinating report. But yeah, Julie, she actually had quite
Speaker 1: a lot of field experience. She worked with the Great
Speaker 1: Bear Foundation. She was a goat packer. I spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time in the backcountry and had an amazing
Speaker 1: class a encounter that I'd heard doctor Mildram talk about
Speaker 1: many times. Theo Stein had interviewed her for the Denver
Speaker 1: Post and then this report was published on thefro's website.
Speaker 1: But one of these days we need to get out
Speaker 1: and on the podcast for a lot of reasons. But
Speaker 1: as a side note, yeah, he did spend time with
Speaker 1: her and was very very impressed with her skills in
Speaker 1: the field and outdoor knowledge.
Speaker 4: Is anyone interviewer what if we get her on the pod?
Speaker 4: Maybe possible.
Speaker 3: I think that'd be amazing.
Speaker 1: Alten's the only person I've met that's met with her
Speaker 1: in person, you know, I know doctor Melton's met with her.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming John Manzinski and others have met with her,
Speaker 1: But in terms of people from my personal life, I
Speaker 1: know Alton met with her, potentially other I think that
Speaker 1: was back when Alton was still with the bfr O
Speaker 1: in the early days of the BFRO, But I don't
Speaker 1: know anyone else who's like made contact with her. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be I would love to hear that story firsthand.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Mayan Chinzi knows her.
Speaker 3: Oh that would not surprise me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there you go. I was wondering if it
Speaker 2: could have been dar Addington, who's another female goat packer
Speaker 2: from the Blues, and she had she was involved in
Speaker 2: a footprint find that Minezinski was involved in where there
Speaker 2: was a sasquatch and a juvenile where the female presumed
Speaker 2: female was walking along the slope and then every once
Speaker 2: in a while there were juvenile footprints with it, but
Speaker 2: then it would disappear, and then it would appear again,
Speaker 2: then it would disappear and then appear it and they
Speaker 2: realized that the juvenile was actually being carried by its
Speaker 2: mother periodically off and on. So I was wondering if
Speaker 2: that would have been it. So I'm so glad you
Speaker 2: have the specific reference to the BFRO report and the
Speaker 2: witness itself.
Speaker 1: Now, I've heard doctor Melbourne reference Julie's story many times
Speaker 1: and sort of retell it because she, you know, to
Speaker 1: make a very long story short. You should definitely go
Speaker 1: read her narrative. But you know, on an extended backpacking
Speaker 1: trip with these pack goats and with dogs too, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, she was inner tent and heard the
Speaker 1: dogs and the goats either whining or making some sort
Speaker 1: of alarm sound. So she stepped out of the tent
Speaker 1: and like all of the goats were facing her, staring
Speaker 1: at her, and she's like, what's going on is So
Speaker 1: she turned around to see if there was something behind
Speaker 1: the tent. There's this large sasquatch standing there and she
Speaker 1: was like frozen, stiff, And then as it stepped away
Speaker 1: to head back towards the tree line, it revealed behind
Speaker 1: it another smaller one. So she saw two of him,
Speaker 1: like an adult and a juvenile. And doctor Meldrim had
Speaker 1: related that story, and I've heard him talk about that
Speaker 1: one in a couple of interviews. When people say, oh,
Speaker 1: what's the most compelling account you've personally heard, You know,
Speaker 1: if you could pick one, that's usually the one that
Speaker 1: he goes to because it was daylight. It was at
Speaker 1: very close range. I mean they're gosh ten feet away
Speaker 1: from each other something like that, I mean the distance
Speaker 1: of a tent away from you, or she's at the
Speaker 1: front of the tent, standing at the back of the tent.
Speaker 1: And it was apparently focused on the goats. But anyway,
Speaker 1: great report even references Julie Davis in his book in
Speaker 1: Legend met Science. I try to remember the context. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's just in the acknowledgments or the thank yous or
Speaker 1: something like that, but oh no, I think it was
Speaker 1: as a member of the North American Aid Project is
Speaker 1: where her name is included.
Speaker 3: But anyway, it is in the book. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: would I would love to hear her for her story firsthand.
Speaker 3: One thousand percent.
Speaker 2: It's a much better answer than I could have given.
Speaker 3: They's your question, John already. So here is the next voicemail.
Speaker 8: Hi, Cliff, Bogom and Matt, how you're doing this? Is
Speaker 8: Paul here from the UK. Just wondered how many instances
Speaker 8: of bigfoot using tools or their interaction with fire you've
Speaker 8: come across. Be interested to find out. Thanks for all
Speaker 8: the stuff, take care by fire.
Speaker 2: Almost none there is that one from Mount Diablo in
Speaker 2: the Bay Area. But that wasn't using it necessarily, It
Speaker 2: was just swinging around a branch that would happen to
Speaker 2: be in the fire and as a quite old one
Speaker 2: and might have been embellished for the sake of the
Speaker 2: newspaper as well, which is where that that sighting thing
Speaker 2: was published. But as far as using tools, I mean
Speaker 2: very very few. There's a few of them that I
Speaker 2: can think of. Like I remember on Finding Big What
Speaker 2: we investigated some some sightings where the sasquatch was using
Speaker 2: rocks to break freshwater clamshells. I mean throwing rocks as
Speaker 2: a tool as well. We just covered that a little
Speaker 2: bit a little bit ago. There's quite a few reports
Speaker 2: of them throwing rocks anything. Off the top of your head, Bubba,
Speaker 2: what do you got for tools?
Speaker 4: Just clubs or sticks for banging on trees. I've heard
Speaker 4: people claim that they've found sharpened like flint like that
Speaker 4: had been sharpened like for a cutting tool, for like
Speaker 4: cutting up an elk hyte or something like that, But
Speaker 4: I've never seen one or I don't know anyone documenting that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've recently heard from me an investigator I trust
Speaker 2: that he found some sticks that seem to be sharpened.
Speaker 2: I mean, and if that's Bigfoot related, that's that's new
Speaker 2: to me. So we'll see about that. I'm going I'm
Speaker 2: going to visit with this gentleman in a few months here,
Speaker 2: and he's going to show me what he has. And
Speaker 2: so maybe there's some way to tell maybe not. We'll
Speaker 2: see about that. But they've been seen carrying and holding sticks.
Speaker 2: There's a I think there's a famous picture in Bendernoggle's
Speaker 2: book Eyewitness Drawing of one of these things holding a
Speaker 2: stick and a duck in the other hand, which is
Speaker 2: which is suggestive that maybe they use the stick to
Speaker 2: take down the duck. But beyond you know, rocks and
Speaker 2: clacking and banging stuff and opening clamshells and that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, I'm not aware of any other tool use now.
Speaker 1: And always love Moneymaker's discussion and this is a slightly
Speaker 1: different question, but a lot of people would always ask like,
Speaker 1: do you think they make tools? And you know, I'd
Speaker 1: heard money makers say many times like, well, if they're
Speaker 1: making tools, would be finding them otherwise, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not like they're always carrying them all around with them
Speaker 1: all the time. As a species for all these you know,
Speaker 1: hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of years as
Speaker 1: long as they've been here. So yeah, I think beyond
Speaker 1: the wielding of you know, rocks and sticks and things
Speaker 1: of that nature, which absolutely is tool use, you know,
Speaker 1: there doesn't really seem to be anything more sophisticated than that,
Speaker 1: and certainly not with fire beyond some sort of like
Speaker 1: fascination or curiosity about fire. Occasionally them interacting with human
Speaker 1: fires or who knows, maybe potentially wildfire, but I've not
Speaker 1: really seen that, but.
Speaker 4: I heard of them being around like grass fires, brush fires,
Speaker 4: like getting small animals coming out like lizards and right
Speaker 4: roadings and stuff like that. I've heard of that, but
Speaker 4: that's not they didn't start it or control it.
Speaker 1: But Paul's a good member of ours, if you recall,
Speaker 1: Paul was the member who had reached out about coming
Speaker 1: stateside at some point, and so I think he's still
Speaker 1: planning on doing that. There's he'd send an email about that.
Speaker 1: So we'll get back to Paul about that with some suggestions.
Speaker 1: But thanks again, Paul. And then here is the last
Speaker 1: of the voicemails.
Speaker 9: Hey Clobo, Matt. My name is Seth Kine, a longtime
Speaker 9: listener out here delivering on my route for USPS. Listened
Speaker 9: to your podcast all the time. Thought maybe sending a
Speaker 9: voicemail sending some past questions. I was wondering if he
Speaker 9: built a box out of two way mirrors and puts
Speaker 9: trail cameras inside facing all directions, if that would be
Speaker 9: enough of a curiosity factory to bring in Bigfoot, or
Speaker 9: if they would still sense the cameras and maybe stay away.
Speaker 9: Of course, you have to worry about sun reflect out
Speaker 9: the mirrors and starting a forest fire. But if you
Speaker 9: could prevent that problem with the box of mirrors the
Speaker 9: cameras inside, do you think it would attract any sasquatches?
Speaker 9: After ore ones in the area? All right, keep a squatching.
Speaker 4: I think so. I mean they've been seen looking in mirrors.
Speaker 4: They've approached mirrors and people put them out for attractants
Speaker 4: and people. So they've seen them like gazing the reflection
Speaker 4: in ponds or lakes or in windows. Even they look
Speaker 4: like they appeer up peer. They are looking at themselves
Speaker 4: like you know, turn tilting their head and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So I think I think it could possibly work. Yeah,
Speaker 4: give it a try.
Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean and I know other apes have been
Speaker 2: exposed to mirrors and with interesting effects. You can see
Speaker 2: some of those videos online and YouTube. Probably. I think
Speaker 2: the problem, of course, is the same problem run into
Speaker 2: with basically trail cameras anyway. You know, who's to say
Speaker 2: there's a sasquatch close enough to even notice the mirror,
Speaker 2: let alone the the you know, get a picture of
Speaker 2: it inside. I mean, I'm not saying you should and tried,
Speaker 2: if that's that's, you know, something of great interest to you.
Speaker 2: I think it would be difficult to cart around mirrors
Speaker 2: and make boxes out of them and stuff in the woods.
Speaker 2: At least it seems to me that would be difficult,
Speaker 2: But maybe a mirror guy would think different. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, that's the thing like attractants in general,
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a good track record of any
Speaker 2: attractant working with sasquatches really, I mean, not even food
Speaker 2: items work consistently enough to do anything about from at
Speaker 2: least from my knowledge about these things, I've tried all
Speaker 2: sorts of stuff with zero results. I've tried stuff when
Speaker 2: I knew sasquatches were there, and of course they knew
Speaker 2: I was there as well, and so they probably just
Speaker 2: stayed away from whatever I put out for them. But
Speaker 2: I've never ever had luck with any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: And a few times that there have been something that
Speaker 2: I think is interesting or true for that matter, let's see,
Speaker 2: almost always been on some sort of like long term
Speaker 2: property where the sasquatches are know the routines of the
Speaker 2: people who live there. But even then it's not that people.
Speaker 2: Those people leave things out for them and to no
Speaker 2: avail to very often. So I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to be so pessimistic, but I
Speaker 2: just see problems with that. But I mean, if it works,
Speaker 2: my gosh, go do it. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yes, I have to go out and try it. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to do it.
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying that because I don't think it
Speaker 1: would work. I just that ain't my bag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just see problems, like I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: lacerate myself doing that. I just know it like carting
Speaker 2: around a box a mirror box, Like how big of
Speaker 2: a box? How small of a box? And it's got
Speaker 2: to be big enough to catch attention.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then if it's big enough to catch attention, then
Speaker 4: I mean they're not going to approach so that it's
Speaker 4: like out in the open, you know, like you got
Speaker 4: to put it where they can approach it kind of covered, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, where do you put it? And how do
Speaker 2: you know what sasquatches? Even in the area.
Speaker 4: You know, you can't put it out the middle of
Speaker 4: a pasture or or something. You know, it's got to
Speaker 4: be where they can come up behind some large something
Speaker 4: they can hide behind a approach like ruh, you know,
Speaker 4: thick trees or logs down, big logs or brush. They
Speaker 4: need something they can kind of creep up on it with.
Speaker 1: And the way that something like that would have to
Speaker 1: work is you'd have to have cameras with massive hard
Speaker 1: drives and big battery sources that are always recording. Because
Speaker 1: something like a ring camera or a game camera, you know,
Speaker 1: those are triggered. They have passive IR sensors and when
Speaker 1: that beam is tripped, it activates the camera to record.
Speaker 1: But if they're inside of glass, nothing's going to trigger
Speaker 1: that beam because it's just going to be reflecting off
Speaker 1: the glass on the inside. This is the same reason
Speaker 1: you can't put a game camera, you know, inside your
Speaker 1: house looking out the window because nothing will ever trip it.
Speaker 1: So the only way that would work is if they're
Speaker 1: recording twenty four to seven and they're either going to
Speaker 1: run out of battery or fill up the hard drive
Speaker 1: pretty quickly, so you'd have to service them very often.
Speaker 1: So it's not the kind of thing you could leave
Speaker 1: out in the field, like you could a motion activated camera,
Speaker 1: like a game camera or something like that.
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about the IR beam not being
Speaker 2: able to penetrate the glass. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: Well, shall we move on to a few written submissions
Speaker 3: with a few minutes we have here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've pooped on Seth's idea enough that
Speaker 2: we can move on.
Speaker 4: I didn't poop on it.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a bad idea.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a bad idea either. I just
Speaker 2: feel bad. It's like everything that came out of my
Speaker 2: mouth is like, I don't know about that. I just
Speaker 2: feel bad. I'd like to be more supportive.
Speaker 4: I got a little poop update for the members section.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm super excited.
Speaker 2: A little fecal update from Bobo coming up from members? Nice?
Speaker 4: Yeah, not mine.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a little disappointed now, but I'm still looking
Speaker 2: forward to it.
Speaker 3: With Seth's idea.
Speaker 1: As is true of many ideas, I think it's a
Speaker 1: great idea if the technology existed. That's the thing is that,
Speaker 1: you know, the reason I don't think it's a great
Speaker 1: idea mostly has to do with the fact that, like, well,
Speaker 1: you'd have to haul it out somewhere. Besides all the
Speaker 1: normal logistics stuff, you'd have to service it very often,
Speaker 1: because I don't know how you can have something that
Speaker 1: was just motion activated, and unless it's the kind of
Speaker 1: thing that's always on and the motion activation is based
Speaker 1: on changing pixels rather than some warm object breaking the
Speaker 1: ir beam, but then it's going to trip every time
Speaker 1: the wind blows, because the pixels are always going to
Speaker 1: change every time an insect goes by or a bird,
Speaker 1: or the wind blows and the leaves move, and so
Speaker 1: there's just a whole lot of technological limitations that would
Speaker 1: make that a bigger pain in the neck than it
Speaker 1: might ostensibly seem to be.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: So here is the first written submission.
Speaker 2: This is from Darren from Ohio. What is your favorite
Speaker 2: new piece of gear you have in your pack, Well,
Speaker 2: for me, it's it's the DNA tubes that I'm working
Speaker 2: with the for the study over at North Carolina State
Speaker 2: University because I think it's very very promising. So that then,
Speaker 2: so that's mine, I mean, because I'm excited about this
Speaker 2: project that we're working on and you never know what
Speaker 2: might come from it, you know, So to me that
Speaker 2: that's the most that's my favorite new piece of gear.
Speaker 2: But as far as like what I think you're actually asking,
Speaker 2: like the tech gear and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 2: I don't have anything new and I'm not really bringing
Speaker 2: anything out really for the most part. I mean, well,
Speaker 2: and I take that back, I'll say the three D
Speaker 2: scanner because I've had that for about a year and
Speaker 2: a half, two years. That's probably the newest piece of
Speaker 2: technology that I bring out with me. The three D
Speaker 2: scanning app on my phone gives really cool information and
Speaker 2: it's helping me document kind of up my game a
Speaker 2: little bit. So that's my answer.
Speaker 4: I got a new long durationion auto recorder. I'm getting
Speaker 4: it's coming into the mail here pretty soon, so I'm
Speaker 4: stoked for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got that pulsar Healion thermal that I really love.
Speaker 1: I only use that at night and then during the
Speaker 1: day I use a from Amazon. I bought reformed a
Speaker 1: few years ago, a Canon EOS two thousand and D
Speaker 1: and a seventy five to three hundred millimeter lens for
Speaker 1: daylight photos or video, and I love that thing. So
Speaker 1: I'd probably pick that just because it's so much fun
Speaker 1: to use, and you know, point and shoot sort of
Speaker 1: a thing, and you can set up all sorts of
Speaker 1: like settings so it auto focuses, and it's really easy
Speaker 1: for a luddite like me, like I'm just not camera savvy.
Speaker 1: So if I compare those together, yeah, the DSLR for
Speaker 1: the daytime and the thermal for night, like, because I'm
Speaker 1: a visual I want to see one, I want to
Speaker 1: document one if I see it. So those are my
Speaker 1: favorite new gear acquisitions, although I've had each of them
Speaker 1: now for I don't know, three or four years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to it's hard to answer that because
Speaker 2: a new piece of gear. I don't really buy gear
Speaker 2: so much. I'm not really a gear kind of guy
Speaker 2: because my focus is elsewhere now, you know.
Speaker 4: Then I'm not.
Speaker 2: Sure how the gear helps a lot, so it has
Speaker 2: to be the app so for me, but I haven't
Speaker 2: bought a new piece of a new toy for quite
Speaker 2: some time.
Speaker 4: I guess we're really done with that one. Thanks for
Speaker 4: the question there, Darren. Next we got Eric Strawn. Hey, guys,
Speaker 4: I was watching some reruns a Finding Bigfoot and it
Speaker 4: got me wondering, did you ever have trouble with locals
Speaker 4: going out and screaming with your investigations, things like planting
Speaker 4: fake evidence or returning your calls knocks. With the publicity
Speaker 4: of the show filming in an area, I could see
Speaker 4: jerks wanting to mess with you. We talked about that
Speaker 4: one in Louisiana where we had to move because those
Speaker 4: guys found out where we were. They were yelling and knocking,
Speaker 4: and we had to move the whole location. But it
Speaker 4: didn't happen very much.
Speaker 2: No, that happened in Minnesota one time, but I don't
Speaker 2: think anyone ever planted him from planted fake stuff because
Speaker 2: we never really found anything like that. First of all,
Speaker 2: so and walking around at night isn't the best time
Speaker 2: to find tracks or anything like that. But by and large,
Speaker 2: people nobody really knew where we were gonna go, you know,
Speaker 2: like that one in Louisiana. I don't think they were
Speaker 2: out for us. I think that they knew we were
Speaker 2: in town and went out and was doing they were
Speaker 2: doing this stuff. Ain't anyway, Remember the.
Speaker 4: Gate was locked. We had like seven vehicles in front
Speaker 4: of this logging gate like it for like half an hour.
Speaker 4: Remember that. That's how we got found.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they weren't out like, they weren't looking for us.
Speaker 2: They were just camping drinking beer around a fire.
Speaker 4: No, no, they came out looking for us.
Speaker 2: The ones that were you that Matt, You and Matt
Speaker 2: were on the team.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, My understanding is that they were just drinking beer
Speaker 2: around the fire and doingking noise.
Speaker 4: But no, no, they were They were on foot, walking
Speaker 4: like walking up the road we can't drove in on.
Speaker 4: They were walking up, banging and yelling and drinking beers.
Speaker 4: Are all drunk. Yeah, they we found out because they
Speaker 4: we sat Remember we sat at the gate for like
Speaker 4: thirty minutes, like a whole convoy on the side of
Speaker 4: the highway with the U haul truck from the like
Speaker 4: the same same vehicles at the town hall meeting and
Speaker 4: all that, and they found out where we were and
Speaker 4: they were like an hour or two later, they were
Speaker 4: out there doing they're knocking and screaming and yelling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the most part, I mean we were behind
Speaker 2: locked gates and back in private land a lot of times,
Speaker 2: or you know, even if we're on public land, we
Speaker 2: had access to areas where other people couldn't really go,
Speaker 2: So yeah, we.
Speaker 4: Always had extra film from it. It's like we could
Speaker 4: go multiple places, so no one knew exactly where we
Speaker 4: were going.
Speaker 2: And then our schedule would move around a lot as well,
Speaker 2: so we we often Yeah, so it was it was
Speaker 2: we were pretty hard to find for the most part,
Speaker 2: you know, pretty hard to find.
Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna happen way more, I'll say that.
Speaker 2: Yes, And as a show went on and on and on,
Speaker 2: we got better at it. We got better at avoiding
Speaker 2: where people were, and our producers became more savvy as
Speaker 2: far as the bigfoot needs and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: So we didn't really have too much of a problem
Speaker 2: with there. Just out of the nine years of shows,
Speaker 2: over one hundred shows, I guess, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can count on one hand and they have still
Speaker 2: still have a couple of spare fingers left over. How
Speaker 2: many times that happened so it was very rare.
Speaker 3: I think this would be a good one to end on.
Speaker 2: All right, This one comes from Ryan Gatrau. Patterson went
Speaker 2: to his grave insisting the PG footage was real. I
Speaker 2: keep hearing that Bob Gimlin has had doubts. However, I've
Speaker 2: never seen an interview with Bob where he ever waivers
Speaker 2: on his claim that the footage is real. Are either
Speaker 2: of you aware if Bob has ever said otherwise?
Speaker 3: You remember that was that one interview?
Speaker 4: God, who was it?
Speaker 1: It might have been one of those there's some sort
Speaker 1: of like British kind of hit piece, and they had
Speaker 1: said like, is it possible that Roger could have had
Speaker 1: someone in a suit waiting for you guys, and just
Speaker 1: kept hammering that, and I think Gimmon was like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess it's possible, but then it would have run
Speaker 1: the risk of me shooting him because I had a
Speaker 1: rifle pointed at it. And people have twisted that quote
Speaker 1: to go see even Gimwan admits that he might have
Speaker 1: been fooled, where it's like, that's not what he was saying.
Speaker 1: If I'm remembering correctly, Does that sound fun exactly.
Speaker 4: What it was? Yeah, the guy kicked going like, there's
Speaker 4: no possible you're saying you were. He said you were
Speaker 4: with Robert, with Roger every minute of every day. Goes, no,
Speaker 4: we weren't together. He goes, well, you could have met
Speaker 4: with somebody, and blah blah blah like all that kind
Speaker 4: of bs.
Speaker 3: I think that's the origin of that story. That quote unquote.
Speaker 1: Gimlin has had doubts is that, you know, they took
Speaker 1: that one quote and tried to say, see even he
Speaker 1: thinks he might have.
Speaker 3: Been fooled, when that just wasn't the nature of what
Speaker 3: he was saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds just like skeptics grasping at straws to me,
Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, because I've had we've all had conversations,
Speaker 2: I think with Bob Gimlin about this, and he told me,
Speaker 2: I remember the cliffs like what I saw was an animal.
Speaker 2: I mean I remember. I mean that's I think that's
Speaker 2: a very very close to a direct quote. What I
Speaker 2: saw was an animal. He's never given an indiandication at all.
Speaker 2: That was anything but that he told me, And again
Speaker 2: sold the rights to the film for one dollar because
Speaker 2: he was tired of it. So yeah, I mean I've
Speaker 2: had great conversations with Bob. I've heard this story directly
Speaker 2: from his own mouth numerous times, both because I've asked
Speaker 2: him and because I was listening when other people have
Speaker 2: asked him.
Speaker 4: The poor guy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's never I've never had any indication that
Speaker 2: that was even on the radar. So we've said it
Speaker 2: a million times. Patterson Gimlin film has kind of been
Speaker 2: beaten to death. That's a great piece of footage, super interesting.
Speaker 2: But let's go get another one, man, Let's go get
Speaker 2: another piece of footage. That's where the focus should be.
Speaker 4: All right, folks, Well, here we go. There's another Q
Speaker 4: and A wrapped up. Keep guys sending your questions. We'd
Speaker 4: love to hear them. Or if you got a setting
Speaker 4: story you want to tell us, let us know about
Speaker 4: that also, So we appreciate you guys. Thanks for listening,
Speaker 4: tuning in, hit share, hit like, spread the word until
Speaker 4: next week, y'all, keep it squatchy.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond.
Speaker 2: If you liked what you heard, please rate and review
Speaker 2: us on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you
Speaker 2: get your podcasts, and follow us on Facebook and Instagram
Speaker 2: at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. You can find us on
Speaker 2: Twitter at Bigfoot and Beyond that's an N in the middle,
Speaker 2: and tweet us your thoughts and questions with the hashtag
Speaker 2: Bigfoot and Beyond. The att