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Man? 28 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:39.640 All right, you're a stridam Welcome to the show. How 29 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:40.040 are you doing? 30 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:43.239 Man, I'm doing fantastic. Thanks for the opportunity and I'm 31 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:44.920 looking forward to have a good conversation with you. 32 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:46.439 Thank you. 33 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:51.280 I'm likewise I always enjoy talking to you South Africans. Uh, 34 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:55.480 you were even among your countrymen, particularly impressive. You can 35 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:59.439 highly recommend it. So if you could describe who are 36 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:00.319 you and what do you do? 37 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:05.200 Yeah, So if there are some of your some of 38 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:07.480 your viewers who haven't heard of the community of Urania. 39 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.759 I think South Africa has been in the limelight in 40 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:14.960 the past few years, especially with the American interest growing 41 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:20.039 into South Africa South Africans again Africans specifically, But the 42 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:23.000 truth is that the challenges that we are facing today 43 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:27.240 in South Africa is not something that is all that new. 44 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:28.120 It's something that. 45 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:35.759 Anyone who were willing and able to try and look 46 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:38.639 into the future and try to predict certain things could 47 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:42.159 see quite a few years back to an extent that 48 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:48.080 the founders of this project is community. Okay, so Urania 49 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:51.639 is a very specific community, and that is a community 50 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:56.960 that already in the nineteen eighties started in terms of 51 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:01.680 ideological context, and it was people who said they see 52 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:04.479 that change is coming, and that change is going to 53 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:09.960 be possibly catastrophic for Africaners as a group, as a nation, 54 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:12.960 as a people what we call in Africans a folk 55 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:16.800 to survive and in order to survive what is coming, 56 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:20.319 it is not enough to just be pragmatic. You need 57 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:24.319 to establish something lasting. You need to actually go out 58 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:29.360 and do some triage and establish something before the worst happens. 59 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.520 And there is a set of let's say, rules that 60 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:35.400 they created in terms of what is necessary for us 61 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:36.400 as a people to survive. 62 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:38.680 And that is what the effort is. 63 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:43.400 It is an effort of the both the survivability of 64 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.360 a people as well as the freedom of a people. 65 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:53.599 And our argument broadly could be described as what must 66 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:57.879 we change about ourselves, what must be sacrificed, what must 67 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:04.639 we sit as non negotiable rules for the next generations 68 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:05.120 to thrive. 69 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:07.680 So in the. 70 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:11.919 Nineteen eighties, already before a major political change happened in 71 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:14.120 South Africa. These people said, Okay, what we need to 72 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:16.759 do is if we want to survive, there's only one way, 73 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:19.720 and that is to be a demographic majority in an area. 74 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:23.360 If that is the conclusion, then there are certain requirements, 75 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.639 most important probably being the idea of owned labor. And 76 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.639 I think we can maybe discuss that in length later 77 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:36.000 in this conversation, because that is the most cardinal policy 78 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:39.639 of Urania. That is the most necessary thing in terms 79 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.360 of Urania's survival and we as a people survival. 80 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:44.720 So we said, we need our own piece of land. 81 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:48.000 On that we must build own institutions, and that must 82 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:49.560 all be done with our own labor. 83 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:51.519 And that is the way forward. 84 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:57.480 Urania has been established ideologically in nineteen eighty eight, physically 85 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:01.639 in nineteen ninety one when land was purchased, and ever 86 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:06.279 since then that the big and daunting task of actually 87 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:15.079 bowling institutions, erecting infrastructure and and and continuing a life. Yeah, 88 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:18.160 in this part of the country. It's been a very 89 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:18.959 interesting journey. 90 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.160 Yeah, so several things there. Uh One, you know, you 91 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:28.399 describe the sort of forward looking nature of it, right, 92 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:32.079 the idea that this that there was this negative event 93 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:36.360 coming over the horizon. Uh, I have your countryman on 94 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:40.519 quite regularly, but just for the sake of the argument, 95 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:42.680 was that prediction correct? 96 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:43.279 Right? 97 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.040 What did you know the people who founded this sea coming? 98 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:50.399 And what is life like in the rest of South Africa. 99 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:52.439 I understand that a lot of the coverage is over 100 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:55.800 the top, you know, particularly from shall we say, you 101 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:58.199 know American and Canadian influencers. I'll leave it at that, 102 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:01.160 but we're they correct in that gas. 103 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:06.040 I think there are a few arguments to be made, 104 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:12.439 but in general for the African people, there's two specific 105 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:19.439 things to look at. One is uh standard of living, safety, 106 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:25.480 security and so on, which declined general public services, ability 107 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:31.319 to integrate into the general public life, which which happened 108 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:36.279 to now be a dangerous inserviceable and many things that 109 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:39.480 I think your your your viewers possibly can't can't even 110 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:43.160 comprehend that, the lack of service delivery, thrash piling up 111 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.920 in the streets, rolling blackouts, you know, many negative things. 112 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:50.600 But but even that is not the main factor for me, 113 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:53.560 and it's not the main factor for can I say 114 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:55.720 the true believers of Grana, the people who believe in 115 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:58.639 this idea and the solution. The true thing, The true 116 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:02.240 issue is a loss of freedom. The loss of freedom 117 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:06.839 and the loss of the ability to craft your own 118 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:09.920 future that goes with it. It is bad to live 119 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:11.639 in dire economic circumstances. 120 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:12.240 It's dire. 121 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:16.120 It's bad to have opportunities taken away from you. It 122 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:20.000 is bad to have the risk of being murdered or 123 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:23.000 being raped or being robbed constantly. And it is bad 124 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.600 when the streets of South Africa are overflowing with sewage 125 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:30.439 and things like that. Obviously, they are still some islands 126 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:32.600 of excellence and we can also speak about that maybe, 127 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:37.279 but in general there's a lot of decline, specifically in 128 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.959 regards to infrastructure. What is worse than all those things, 129 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:45.959 Arguably one of the worst fates they could possibly be, 130 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:48.879 is to not be in control of your own future, 131 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:53.560 not having the opportunity to take the responsibility to be 132 00:07:54.360 --> 00:08:01.399 in a certain extent, to be someone sitting on the bench, 133 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:06.199 not participating, to be just someone in the crowd looking 134 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:10.199 as other players play out the game. That is your 135 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:12.120 future and the future of your children and the future 136 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:14.600 of your people. That is a worse fate than just 137 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:20.079 having bad civil delivery or insecure environment and that is 138 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:23.720 to somewhat our collective fate. It's not necessarily our individual 139 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:28.639 faith right. So individually South Africans Africanas still have opportunities 140 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:33.480 in the country. I don't deny that. I also think 141 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:36.600 that they still have international opportunities. Many of them immigrate 142 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:39.759 and they go seek on an individual basis, they go 143 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:44.080 and seek better time. On the individual basis, they go 144 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:47.799 and they say, listen, eighteen murders per day in a 145 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:48.960 country is just not normal. 146 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:50.120 We need to get out of here. 147 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:52.600 Far murders and the brutality that goes with it's not normal. 148 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:55.240 We need to get out of here. The fact that 149 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:58.120 there's one hundred and forty plus laws based on race 150 00:08:58.759 --> 00:08:59.120 is bad. 151 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:00.360 I need to get out of here. 152 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:03.440 All. The fact that in the heights of load sheading, 153 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:06.360 which is somewhat better now, but in the heights of 154 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:09.240 load cheating we had up to twelve hours without electricity 155 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:12.000 a day is so bad that I would rather go 156 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:16.799 to Australia, Canada, America, Britain wherever. That is an individual choice, 157 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:18.639 and it's good and people should have their choice, as 158 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:21.519 they should have the choice to now take up the 159 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:25.440 American President Donald Trump's offer to immigrate to the United 160 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:26.440 States as refugees. 161 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.799 They should have those options. Those are individual options. 162 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.799 Those are choices that individual or an individual family or 163 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.399 an individual couple can make and they can go look 164 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:39.159 for a very future. 165 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:44.759 If that if individualism was all there is to life. 166 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:49.879 These sample opportunities in Southern Africa, South Africa and its neighboring. 167 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:54.559 Countries, as well as there is of the world, especially 168 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.519 the West. But that is not what we are looking for. 169 00:09:57.720 --> 00:09:59.519 That is not what we want, it's not what we 170 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:01.960 dream of, and it's not what we want to achieve 171 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:04.759 in South Africa. Is it's possible to buy yourself quite 172 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:09.919 a luxurious lifestyle, even even to some extent a safe lifestyle, 173 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.840 by privatizing service delivery and paying on top of your 174 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:15.919 taxes just much more, to privatize your security, to privatize 175 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:18.480 your water, to privatize your electricity and so on, and 176 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:21.759 just live behind big walls and go out to certain 177 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:24.559 areas and still have a good and luxurious life. 178 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:25.240 It is possible. 179 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:29.159 Those are individual solutions, as is refugee status in the 180 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:34.000 US or immigration to the anglosphere in general. What we 181 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:36.720 are looking and it's one of the things that people 182 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.960 misunderstand about Tournia. That's not what we are looking for. 183 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.600 We want a public life. We want our language to 184 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.159 flourish in a collective scenes. We want our people to 185 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:50.080 flourish in terms of their religion, in terms of their values, 186 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.200 in terms of what they believe in a collective scenes, 187 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:56.159 not only in individual scenes. There must be public spaces 188 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:59.480 that are African or Christian spaces. If you don't have that, 189 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:04.480 you just have an individual, privatized future for yourself. And 190 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:08.039 it's not necessarily selfish. It can be selfish, but that's 191 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:11.440 not our end goal. We want to make an area 192 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:14.559 that is free, that is that is that is Africana 193 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:17.039 and that is Christian and that we can live and 194 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:20.720 thrive on. If there is no public schools where your 195 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:23.120 language and your religion has been put first, if there 196 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:26.080 are no public spaces where your children can plain their 197 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:30.240 own languages, if there are no higher education, university level education, 198 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:32.840 and public churches where. 199 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.360 Those things can thrive, then you. 200 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:37.639 Might have an individualized future, but you don't have a 201 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:40.840 future for people. And that is the key, in my opinion, 202 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:43.879 for the success of for Ania and what we want 203 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:45.120 to do and what we want to achieve. 204 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:50.399 You mentioned the immigration, and you know, as an American, 205 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.519 I am of two minds about it. One, we have 206 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:57.039 quite a lot of immigration to my country, and if 207 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:59.759 you know, more of them were people like you and yours. 208 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:03.120 Quite happy about that, right, given the you know, given 209 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:05.240 the system as it is. But at the same time, 210 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:10.879 I see that being sort of a path to cultural annihilation. 211 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:11.759 Right. 212 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:15.559 You have people who move out of a community based 213 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:18.639 off of that you know, common ancestry, that language, that culture. 214 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:22.919 And okay, sure there may be a neighborhood that's you know, 215 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:26.799 forty fifty seventy percent South African, but the schools those 216 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:30.720 children will go to will be Westernized for good or frail. 217 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.840 You know, they will be Americans, they will be Brits, 218 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:37.200 they will be Australians in a generation or two. And 219 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:41.559 so I understand that that is an individually rational decision, right, 220 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:44.720 you might well live better in Melbourne than you could 221 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:50.000 and you know some city in South Africa, and so 222 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:53.120 individually that makes a great deal of sense. But when 223 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:56.840 we look at this collectively, right, you you know, whoever 224 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:00.279 this is as a like a bearer of culture, someone 225 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:02.440 who is part of something bigger than themselves. 226 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:07.639 It's a feeling, fixing you to the road, filling every sense, 227 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:12.720 the bold dynamic lines you can't ignore, and smarter technology 228 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:17.559 that guides and connects you. 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Obviously, this is not necessarily what I 237 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:54.159 brought you on to talk about, but I'm curious if 238 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:57.720 you have any thoughts about that transition from viewing yourself 239 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:02.240 as simply one guy, maybe your family too, as part 240 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:07.960 of a culture, and if you could explain, do you 241 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:10.879 think that being a minority group has something to do 242 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:12.039 with that view? 243 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.759 Okay, that's good, that's an interesting question. Let's start. 244 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.200 I want to start by stating the following very important 245 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:27.159 announcement though me specifically, but African daiss in general aren't 246 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:28.200 that well. 247 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.240 In English. If we were to. 248 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:36.639 You know, in terms of English language skills, if we 249 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:40.360 were to immigrate to the United States, for example Minnesota 250 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:44.000 and open a preschool, we would spell it learning center. 251 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:46.759 So that would be a net positive for the United 252 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.000 States in my opinion, even though we have our handicaps. 253 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:50.879 That's me true. 254 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:54.000 I would say that's sort of damning by fate praise right, 255 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:55.720 grading yourself on that scale. 256 00:14:55.879 --> 00:15:01.000 Right, So no, but don amore note And the reason 257 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:06.000 why I said that is I think Africanas moving to Australia, 258 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:09.759 the US, England, Canada, they make fantastic Americans, They make 259 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:14.559 fantastic Australians. They make they make great Candy's people. And 260 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:19.799 I see some of my former classmates or university friends. 261 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:22.759 I see them on social media and I see that 262 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:29.240 they are now celebrating Australia Day. They are celebrating in 263 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:31.879 America the fourth of July, and they are giving it. 264 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.480 They're all they want to be patriots. They they they 265 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:40.159 immediately adapt to their new host country and they try 266 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:42.360 to be the best possible Americans that they can be. 267 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:50.200 There are many people immigrating to such countries, horrible immigrants. 268 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.519 They don't want to integrate, and that might be the 269 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:57.320 saving of them as a collective culture, for better for worse. Africaners, however, 270 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:01.399 make great immigrants. They want to adapt. They understand that 271 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:03.720 it's a privilege to be in the new host country, 272 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.279 and for that reason they give their all. They cannot 273 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.360 integrate their children into the new culture fast enough. They 274 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.360 cannot celebrate and paint their faces with the American flag, 275 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.240 Australian flag or whatever fast enough. They do long own 276 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.600 they missed, they missed the African sunset, and the animals, 277 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.480 and and and and the people and the and and everything. 278 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:28.320 But they integrate, and that is fatal. That is quite 279 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:29.039 fatal to us. 280 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:33.639 And as you correctively said, there might be a neighborhood 281 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:39.879 that is still quite South African orientated. Even I know 282 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:44.559 that there are some military companies in the Middle East, 283 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:49.519 for example, in the UAE and someone where where the 284 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:52.399 engineers have meetings in Africans, because so many of the 285 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.000 best engineers just immigrated there for a better pay check. 286 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:58.679 And I have a tough time blaming them, because they 287 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:03.759 looked out for their own fine acial beast future and 288 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:06.759 that of their children, and they buy the lifestyle that 289 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.000 they can they and so on, because they have great 290 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:11.519 skills and it's you know, scar skills and so on. However, 291 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.240 they might hold out. They might speak Africans to their children. 292 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:22.839 Their children will marry Australians, Americans, Englishmen, they will go 293 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:26.720 to school in the language of the host country. They 294 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:31.640 will adapt to the politics of the host country, they 295 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:34.880 will have friends with the values of the ost country. 296 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:39.519 They will stop being what they are now, they will 297 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:43.599 not be Africanish anymore. And if you have an individualistic, 298 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:48.359 capitalistic worldview, and it's very easy to translate kind of 299 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:53.559 free market thinking away from the marketplace into the marketplace 300 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:57.319 of peoples and say, well, it is a better investment 301 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:00.880 for myself, better in individual investment for myself to now 302 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:04.759 be an Englishman or American or Australian. And in the 303 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:09.720 marketplace of nations, my new host nation won the competition. 304 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:12.839 And for that reason, my old culture will die. It 305 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:17.759 is not it is not competitive commercially anymore in the 306 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:19.119 competition of nations. 307 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:22.920 And that is tragic. And I do not agree with that. 308 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:26.400 I think it is important to preserve what we are. 309 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:27.000 I think. 310 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:31.599 As a as a Christian, you know, all of us 311 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:37.640 even are sinful, sinful Christians. As a Christian, I believe 312 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:40.359 my people was placed on this earth by the Lord 313 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:44.480 and should exist. And I don't think it's just merely 314 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:48.319 a transactional relationship between my culture and another culture which 315 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:54.880 can currently give me more, give me, give me, you know, 316 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:59.599 advantages and safety and money and an opportunity. I think 317 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:03.839 I'm must give my efforts and the efforts of those 318 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:06.920 in my community to preserve what we have here, not 319 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:09.960 only to preserve it, to build it out. It is 320 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:13.880 a slow depth to just preserve. It is the mistake 321 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:18.160 of mainstream conservatism to just try and conserve fifty years 322 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:20.759 ago or twenty years ago, ten years ago, that is death. 323 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:25.640 You need to be conservative in your identity, but progressive 324 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:27.720 in your ideals. You must go forward. 325 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:29.880 If you do not go forward, it's nose tachnoian, it's 326 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.839 only falling behind. And for that reason we try to 327 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:34.720 build out our culture. Yeah, and it comes back to 328 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.799 what I said the introductionary remarks, and that is that 329 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:42.039 if you do not have a public Afrikaans space, if 330 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:44.279 you don't have a city square, if you do not 331 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:50.079 have a school where the values are not only preserved 332 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:55.720 but actively pursuit actively, there must be an active effort 333 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:58.519 to expand it. If you don't have that, your culture 334 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:02.079 is dying. It might you know, slow deaths, one hundred 335 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:05.519 years death, but it is dying. And for that reason, 336 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:09.119 we opted out as African Honiss and South Africa, the 337 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:13.279 Urania people. We opted out of mainstream party politics. We 338 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.400 opted out of just institutional fighting back, which is also 339 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:19.920 very important and necessary. We opted out of many of 340 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.799 the mainstream debates, and we said, if we want to survive, 341 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.640 we must bold a city for our people. We started, Yeah, 342 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:28.759 and one of the most add parts of the country. 343 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:31.920 For many this would be considered desert. And it's an 344 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:36.680 in jest and joke and jest many times referred to 345 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:40.480 the media and South Africa and other South Africans as 346 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:43.720 you know, running into the desert. It's dry enough that 347 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:47.000 you can say, it's hot enough, it's forty degrees cells yesterday, 348 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:50.240 it's it's you can you can you can call a desert. 349 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:52.400 You know, it's it's added, it's try. It's a tough life. 350 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:54.799 But if we do not do that and go to 351 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:59.519 an area where there is demographic hole, demographic vacuum, and 352 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:02.319 pick commem a demographic majority in such an own area 353 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:09.079 and build a city with Afrikaans and African or families 354 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:11.000 with the values that we shae that you hear it 355 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:13.480 at home, and then you go to school and you 356 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:15.559 hear that same values and that same beliefs and that 357 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:17.839 same religion at school, and you go to church and 358 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:20.319 you have the same message, and you go to play 359 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:23.559 or socialize or have a beer at the pub and 360 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:24.640 you year the same message. 361 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:25.279 You cannot do that. 362 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:27.640 If you can't create a public order in terms of 363 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:31.160 a city, at least, at the very least for your 364 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:33.160 culture where you can live it, then you do not 365 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:36.640 have anything. Then you just have a you have a 366 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:38.599 faint memory of what your culture used to be. 367 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:44.039 I will admit, given that it's on the second week 368 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:49.160 of roughly negative fifteen celsius here doesert doesn't sound half bad. 369 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:54.599 But in all seriousness, I'm glad that you brought up 370 00:21:55.279 --> 00:22:00.359 the kind of marketplace mentality to your own culture, because 371 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:04.119 this is something that is sort of endemic in the 372 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.279 American conservative movement. And look, I grew up around these people. 373 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:07.920 I love them. 374 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:09.720 I have a great deal of affection for them. They 375 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:15.200 are my people. But ultimately their beliefs are suicidal. The 376 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.240 things that they say, the things that they hold are 377 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:22.920 paradoxically what's killing them. You know, they whine and moan. 378 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:25.640 You can use a ruter word there about you know, 379 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:30.000 the woke left. But they are ultimately conserving, as you've said, 380 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.680 the same ideas that they purport to hate, just slightly 381 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.480 out of date. You know, they would be woke in 382 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:42.480 nineteen sixty four even. And to me, when I criticize 383 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:44.559 those people, it's not out of hatred. It's not that 384 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:48.440 I want them to fail. It's exactly the opposite. And 385 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.880 it's why when I look to your people, when I 386 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:54.519 look to other projects in South Africa, the solidar are 387 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:57.559 taught the other things, I see that as being a 388 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:02.480 rational and clear headed response to many of the same 389 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:06.119 problems in both for our nations. One of the things 390 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:09.680 that I want to bring up talking about the market, 391 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:13.720 and you mentioned this earlier when talking about labor, is 392 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:17.000 that in both my country and yours, there are very 393 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:20.599 cheap ways to build things right. You can hire people 394 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:24.119 who are not legally here, you can go for kind 395 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:27.559 of the lowest better and get something built quickly and cheaply. 396 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:31.880 So why is that something that you at Urania have 397 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:35.119 specifically avoided. What's the thought process, how do you get 398 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:41.039 things done? And again, how much if this matters right, 399 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:43.880 how much more expensive is it? And why is that 400 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:44.319 worth it? 401 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:46.119