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Speaker 1: Daily Beloved.

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Speaker 2: We are gathered here today to get through this thing.

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Speaker 1: Called but Surely you can't be serious podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are so excited today we are going to do

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two gigantic projects from nineteen eighty four. We are going

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to look at Princess Purple Rain movie versus the Footloose movie.

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Speaker 1: And then we're gonna look at the Footloose soundtrack and

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the Purple Rain album.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a little bit tricky because we're going

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to try and stay distinct between all the projects.

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Speaker 1: In other words, we're gonna want to talk about the

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music really really bad. We're talking about the movies, but

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we are going to try our best to wait until

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it's album time to talk about the music. But since

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these movies are both so music centric, it's gonna be hard.

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It's gonna be hard, right, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producer today is one of my best friends

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in the entire world, mister Chris Bauer.

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Speaker 1: Chris Bauer, thank you so much for subscribing through Patreon.

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We appreciate you and your wonderful ideas. He's given us

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some stuff that I'm like, oh, we need to try

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to do that.

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Speaker 2: Still, the funniest guy I've ever met in my entire life.

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We used to call him Bomber in high school.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, Bomber, executive producer for the show, Bomber Bomber,

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Thanks buddy. So remember that this is the Summer of

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nineteen eighty four series, and as a reminder, these two

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albums were among the only five albums of the year

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to be a number one spot. Like we had, Thriller

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got knocked out of its place by Footloose the soundtrack,

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and then along came Huey Lewis and knocked it Out,

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which we've covered just recently, which was then knocked out

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by Bruce Springsteen born in the USA, which we compared

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to Huey Lewis, and then of course Bruce Springsteen was

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ultimately knocked out by Purple Rain. Now I've already done it,

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I've already started talking albums. But it's important to know

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that these albums wouldn't be the same without the movies.

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Oh absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And before we go too far down the road, yeah,

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you mentioned all the number one albums of nineteen eighty four. Yes,

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Prople Rain took over in August and Reign Supreme through

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the end of the year. Yes, do you know the

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album that knocked it out of its number one spot.

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Speaker 1: No, what was it?

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Speaker 2: It was born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen.

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Speaker 1: Oh he made it comeback nice. Well, let's get into

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the movie, shall we yes? Kick off your Sunday shoes

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and here we go. You could fly if you'd only

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cut loose.

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Speaker 2: Let's go footloose.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So our story on Footloose starts back in the

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night tenth century. I know, right, this is amazing. So

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we have a unique circumstance. Here we are guys who

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are recording from Oklahoma and Elmore City was the inspiration

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for this movie Footloose.

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Speaker 2: Elmore City, Oklahoma is a small town. My son's high

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school football team has played Elmore City.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when I was when I first started in

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the DA's office, Elmore City is in Garvin County, which

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is where I was, So I was very familiar with

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Elmore City. It was one of the cities that I

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had and I didn't know until pretty far on in

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my career that, oh hey, Elmore City is the inspiration

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for the movie. Footloose. Had a girl who worked in

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the office, Chryl god Rest her soul. She was from

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Elmore City. And then another guy that I've brought up

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several times who's been my friend for years now. Mister

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Arlin Bullard also grew up in Elmore City. Okay, that's fantastic. Okay.

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So Elmore City was founded back in eighteen ninety eight,

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and that is when they put the law into effect

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that there was no public dancing allowed in the city.

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It was religious based. You'd still hear talk back in

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the seventies of you know, if this is the Bible belt,

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Elmore City is the buckle, sure, right. And so in

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the late seventies, some high schoolers like who they were

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freshmen at the time, they started saying, hey, you know,

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we don't want to just have a banquet, We want

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to have a prom. But you couldn't have a prom

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because public dancing was outlawed, right right. And so what

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they did was they did like a lawyer would do,

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and they worked their way around the law. It was

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this moment in the city council that there was some

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magic that was worked. But I can tell you this.

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The trick was the wording of the law said you

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couldn't have public dancing. So what they said was, well,

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how about we have a private dance? And the only

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way that they could do that was to go through

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the school. So the city council said, hey, if it's private,

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it's not against the law. Do what you want to do. So,

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unlike the movie where they had to go and fight

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the city council on this, what they had to do

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in real Elmore City was they had to fight the

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school board. The school board did not want to have

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a private dance. The religious feelings were still strong in

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the seventies and dancing could lead to you know, sex

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is lusty desires, absolutely right. So there were a couple

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of people, Mary Temple Lee whose dad was actually on

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the school board, and a guy named Leonard Coffee who

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still works down at the at Rural Electric and Lindsay,

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which is a town near Elmore City, and another guy

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named Rex Kennedy. And the character Wren is a combination

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of Rex and Leonard. It's those two guys. That's fantastic, right,

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And then Mary Temple was kind of because her dad

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was on the school board, She's kind of that inspiration

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for the aerial character wait wait wait wait, wait wait ahead.

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Speaker 2: Rex and Leonard became Wren. Yes, because I was thinking

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to myself, I'm watching footlers so I'm like, Wren cool name.

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Speaker 1: Never met any one in my life name Wren other

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than the partner of Stempy. Yes, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Rex and Leonard keep going, Okay, Okay, So this is.

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Speaker 1: The information that I got from Arlen. All right. So

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they actually started petitioning the school board a couple of years,

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like in like nineteen seventy eight, when they were freshmen.

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The way it works is the juniors were the ones

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that would host the prom for the seniors, but we

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wanted to be in by the time we are seniors.

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And so this is the story that Arln told me.

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His dad is a member of the school board. It's

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a five person school board, okay, yeah, And so his

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dad is a member of the school board. And he

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says the first year that they came and petitioned, it

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was like unanimous, No, you cannot have a dance. They

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were not deterred. Next year they came back, okay, and

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it was like okay. One guy finally was like, okay,

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you know what, I don't care. They can have it, right.

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But the way it works is a five person and

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the like the head, the guy who is Mary Temple's father,

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a tiebreak. And so second year three to one, Yeah,

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no dance that year. Third year comes along and another

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guy falls off and says, you know what, I'm going

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to say that it's okay that they have a dance.

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And so Arlen has this wonderful story of his dad

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being one of the only two holdouts to say, heck no,

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I don't want to let him go dance. So they

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have a two to two matchup, right to have voted yes,

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let him dance, to have voted no. And who is

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the tiebreaker. It's Mary Temple's father, Raymond Temple Lee, and

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he says, let him dance. I thought that was a point.

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Speaker 2: Let's dance, all right, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: So there's a great news story that came out in

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nineteen eighty and that spawned so much interest that there

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ended up being a People magazine article. It was several

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different magazines just this, hey, this, you know, hick Town

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finally said let the kids dance, and so it made

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a lot of national news. And that is what inspired

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our dear friend, mister mister Dean Pitchford to write a movie.

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That is great story, great story, so tell me about

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Dean Pittford.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, so here's what I know about Dean Pitchford.

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Dean Pittford is a guy who was born in Hawaii.

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You know, he was an actor, a singer, dancer. In

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nineteen seventy one, he was cast in a play called

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Godspell in New York City.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And so he goes to New York City and he

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starts to kind of rise in the rinks right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeap. He actually got caught cast by Bob Fosse, who

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we've talked about before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was cast as Pippen in the Broadway

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production of Pippen by Bob Fosse. Okay, Okay, Well this

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is a guy.

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Speaker 2: He's been in tons commercials, right, like mainstream commercials, yeah,

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like Doctor Pepper and emin M's and like laized potato

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chips McDonald's. Okay, So he was of this upcoming star, right.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he was in the singing McDonald's commercial

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with John.

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Speaker 2: Amos, that would be fantastic mop and a bucket baby.

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So he starts working with other songwriters and he gets

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invited to help sort of write these songs for this movie.

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Speaker 1: Called Fame I'm on a lift. That's his.

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Speaker 2: So he writes three songs. He he and this other.

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Speaker 1: Guy whose name I didn't write now Michael Guys name

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is Michael Gore.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so he and Michael Gore they collaborate on three

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songs for the movie Fame.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: One of them is called red Light, one of them

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is I Sing the Body Electric, and one of them

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is Fame, the song that everyone knows from Irine Care

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listen to it right here.

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Speaker 1: That song won him a it won him a Oscar,

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and it won him a Golden Globe, So not bad. Yeah,

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and another guy named Steve Perry. Wait wait, wait wait,

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Kenny Loggins and Steve Perry, yes together again for the

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first time. Not Logins and Mestina, just Kenny by himself

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and not Journey, but Steve Perry by himself, and they

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write a song called Don't Fight It, which ends up

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being a top twenty hit, also Grammy nominated, and he

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co wrote the theme song for Solid Gold.

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Speaker 2: Solid Gold was the TV show I used to watch.

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substitute for MTV, you know, right, Hey, you know, he

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wrote a song for Melissa Manchester. People have kind of

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forgotten this one over. It's kind of been buried in

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Speaker 4: It's called you should Hear How She Talks about You.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: For me, that's a little kid, top down, turn up song.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. So he reads the story about Elmore City, Oklahoma

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and the People magazine. He goes down and he talks

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to some of the folks down there and gets this

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idea for a script. And so what Arlen told me

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is that he believes that the character of Preacher was

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inspired by this guy named Larry Kern. And Arlan said,

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Larry was just the nicest guy in the world, Like

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he wanted to take care of everybody, was looking out

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for everybody. Just the best guy. But he was somebody

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who was preaching against dancing from the pulpit, right like

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that every preacher in town was at that point. And

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he said, he said that his wife was even nicer

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than he was, like she would just love on every

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human being, like was her own child. They had this kid,

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it was kind of close to Arlen's age that had

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a pig in the in the four age competition, and

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they would they called the pig Chip because they would

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feed Chip chocolate chip cookies. And Chip did fantastic in

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the four age and then poor missus Larry Kern cried

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her eyes out when the competition was over and Chip

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became picking.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, hey, listen, one thing we want to

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be real clear and real gentle about.

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Speaker 1: These are salt of the earth people.

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respectfully talking about these are solid people with morals, not

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against people that don't have morals. But these are two

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people with differing philosophies. Yeah, but they're both good people.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're all good people. Well, I mean, let's

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when I was a kid, I despised I thought I

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despised the reverend leader. I did not like John Lythgow's

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character as a grown man, and I'm not you know,

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I certainly don't mind dancing, but as a grown man

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watching this, I'm like, he actually was really trying to

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do what he thought was best for these people. He

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wasn't like, he wasn't this mustache twirling villain he was

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somebody who was trying to do what was right and

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was moved by a very impactful moment in his life.

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based on real people, and those real people were not

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bad people. No, no, absolutely not. So. Pitchford writes the

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screenplay for the movie that will become Footloose. He collaborates

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on nine songs with Kenny Loggins, Eric Carmon, Jim Steinman,

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Sammy Hagar. We have talked about nearly all of these guys.

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I believe we have talked about every single one of them. Yes,

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maybe not Eric Carmon, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of these days when we talk about dirty dancing,

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his name's gonna come up, you know.

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originally talked about doing Footloose, we talked about comparing it

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to dirty Dancing because it's kind of the guy girl

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perspective on these two, you know, forbidden dance movies. But

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I really like the way that we fell out and

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landed on this versus purple ring. Yep, me too. So

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he writes the script and the film lands with film

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director herb Ross. Now we talked about the fact that

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Dean Pitchford was a song and dance man. I mean

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he was singing and dancing and acting. Herb Ross also

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started off as a dancer turned choreographer turned Broadway director

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turned film director. He directed a bunch of Neil Simon

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stuff Iota be in Pictures. He directed Pennies from Heaven

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had Steve Martin in it. He directed Max Dugan Returns,

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which we talked about. Matthew brodricks first movie, Yes, and

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then he has his first really huge hit with Footloose. Okay.

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So here's the deal with Herbert Ross. So he's directed footage.

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Speaker 2: He's in charge, and he's getting it ready, and he's

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picking locations and he's involved in the casting and everything's happening. Well,

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he gets a call from Warren Batty, and Warren Batty says, hey,

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I like.

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Speaker 1: What you've done.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you come and direct my movie called Mermaid?

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Speaker 1: So he leaves Footloose.

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Speaker 2: When Herbert Ross gets to the set of Mermaid, he

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realizes that he's not really wanted to be the director.

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Warren Baty wants to direct the movie, okay, and so

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it's one of those where there's too many chiefs and

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you know, and he realizes that, man, this is not good.

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who directed the Deer Hunter in Heaven's Gate. So, but

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he takes over, he starts to try to take it

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down a darker path and he wants to change it

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all up, rewrite the entire script. And so they said, listen,

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this is not working out, so.

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Speaker 1: They let him go.

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Speaker 2: Well, in the meantime, Herbert Ross leaves Mermaid Mermaid, not

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the Little Mermaid Mermaid right, different area.

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Speaker 1: Different area. Good, that's funny.

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Speaker 2: So he calls being pitch for and he says, listen,

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I want to come back, and they're like, come on back.

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Speaker 1: Good timing, we just fired the other guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Herbert Ross comes back and takes over Footless. Right,

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let's flip over to the inspiration and the beginnings of

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proble Rang.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, if you haven't caught our Sign of the

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Times episode, we do some history on Prince. Yeah, we're

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not going to go revisit that. If you want to

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hear it, go listen to that episode. It's pretty darn good,

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if I do say so myself. But I got to

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dive a little bit deeper. I read a couple of

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books on Prince. One called The Beautiful Ones, which I

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encourage everybody to take out, a guy who basically had

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no qualification to write a book that Prince handpicked to

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write a book. Unfortunately he picked him about three months

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before he passed away tragically. So that's an interesting one.

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It's called The Beautiful Ones. And then a book called

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What's Crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I read Let's Go Crazy. It's written by a

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guy named Alan Light. Yeah, and lots of inside information,

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lots of tidbits.

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Speaker 1: If you're a Prince fan, you definitely want to pick

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this one up. So in our old episode on Sign

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of the Times, I talked a little bit about Prince

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being inspired by getting to see James Brown on stage. Right. Yes,

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so I think his stepdad, I think, yeah. Yeah. So

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there's three. There's like those three imprint moments that people

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have in their lives sometimes, and so first imprint moment

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for Prince is seeing his dad Prince Rogers no that

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was his stage name. See seeing his dad in a

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recording studio where it's got all these chairs and the

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lights are on him, and he's got these beautiful girls

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dancing behind him. That's inspiration point number one. Inspiration point

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number two is after his parents end up divorced and

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his mom remarries, his stepdad takes him to see James Brown.

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Is rumored that he actually got went to go and

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dance on stage a little bit, which is how he

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got to see stuff going on backstage with the again

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pretty girls. Right. And then this is a fascinating one

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for me. He and his father did not get along

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especially well, but he got along better with his dad

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than he did with his mom once they had been divorced, Okay,

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And so at some point he says to mom, Hey,

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I'm gonna go live with dad. I can't handle stepdad anymore.

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I can't handle you anymore. I'm gonna go live with him.

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And so he's living with him. And at some point

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he says, they're having woodstock and I really want to go,

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and his dad says, I'll take it really yes, wow,

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And so it's you know, they but his dad. One

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of the things that you got to know about his

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dad is that he's hyper religious. Right. That was the

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big conflict between prince's mom and his dad is that

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his mom wanted to go out and have a good

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time and party and do crazy stuff. She wanted to

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go crazy and and his dad wanted her to be

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there and taking care of things and not live in

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this wild, crazy lifestyle, and that led to their abusive relationship.

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Speaker 2: So what you're saying is he's a little bit like

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his mother. She's never satisfied, and he's a little bit

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like his father too.

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Speaker 1: Bold. Yeah, something like that. That bomb nugget, Well that

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was what I was leading up to you. Oh, okay, sorry,

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I keep going, and so he can still you know, Sorry,

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I lost my train. Sorry, sorry, that's right. So his dad,

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being this ultra religious guy, they got to go to

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church on Sunday, like, and the concerts over the weekend.

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So he's like, no, and he's only going to get

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to go to the last day, and so he's like,

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why is church taking so long today? You know it's

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long anyway, right, If you went to church in the sixties,

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seventies or eighties, you know that church went way longer

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than it ever should, right, And so it's taken an

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extra long time today. And then they have to go

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home and change clothes and he's just you know, jumping

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up and down next to the car. But his dad

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takes him out there and he gets to see Jimmy

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Hendrix and Wowstone and third imprint moment of his life. Wow,

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that's fantastic Pool. By the way, on the Jimmy Hendrix note,

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Jimmy Hendrix most famous song, Yes, the Purple One.

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Speaker 2: The Purple One, There you Go, which also appears in

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the end of I Want a New Drug.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, flashback here you lose yep, yep. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So junior high and high school come around for Prince.

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He grows up in Minneapolis and he forms his own band.

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This band is called Grand Central. Okay, Prince is out front,

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He's got this drummer behind him. Yeah, his name is

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Morse Day.

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Speaker 1: I've heard of that guy. Yeah. Yeah. They were a

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cover band. Later on he changed up the band. They

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started doing original stuff. But yes, it's interesting to note

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Morris Day was the original drummer for Prince's very first band.

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Speaker 2: Like their high school band. Of course I could play

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drummer with Prince, and you know you could.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's give that. Okay, So he obviously goes on.

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We talked about this in our past episode. He gets

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himself a record deal. He makes sure that he's producing.

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He demonstrates that he's got the chops to play all

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the instruments and produce, and his first album doesn't really

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do that great right. But one of the singles off

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of that first album is Soft and Wet Yes, which

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he releases on his twentieth birthday. So that song made

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an imprint for a couple of other folks. One of

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them's name is Wendy Melbourne, Whndy was thirteen. She said,

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I can remember the day I'm thirteen, I'm underage in

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this dance club in La and i hear this song

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Soft and Wet start playing and I'm like, oh my gosh,

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and i run over to the DJ and I'm like,

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who is this girl? Who is this girl? She's like

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that moment is a vivid memory for me, and I

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became a huge Prince fan. This is long, long before

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they ever meet, but that seed is planted and impactful

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in her life. The other person that had imprinted was

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Susan Rogers, who was also She was in West Hollywood.

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She's on a bus and she hears this boombox coming

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from the back some kid in the back of the

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bus as his boombox playing soft and wet, and she's like,

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I got to know more about who this guy is.

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And of course she goes on to be the producer

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of a huge body of his work. Yeah. We talked

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about her in our Sign of the Times episode Yep. Okay.

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So the other thing about that first album, though, is

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it was a part of a three record deal that

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he had signed right right, and they had given him

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one hundred and eighty thousand dollars to record those first

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three albums and he spent one hundred and seventy of

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it on the first album. Oh yeah, and so he's

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not doing too well.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't as big as success. Even though it influenced

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those girls, it wasn't a big success for him. His

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management gets bought out by these guys named Bob Cavallo

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and Joe Ruffalo buy it out for fifty thousand dollars.

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Cavallo and Ruffalo managed Earthwind and Fire and Ray Parker Junior,

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who came up last episode if you'll remember, Yep. And

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one of the guys that had working for him was

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a guy named Steve Farknoley and he was just an

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employee at the time, but he had worked with Sly

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and the Family Stone, which Prince was a huge fan of,

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and so they hit it off, and so Steve Fagnoli

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became like Prince's day to day business manager and eventually

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became partners with Cavallo and Ruffalo. So this is early

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eighties by this time, and we've almost reached a pinnacle

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point and that is the album nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so most people were familiar with nineteen ninety nine.

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He had had some success off of Dirty Mind and Controversy,

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but nineteen ninety nine is really where he came into

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the mainstream, right, right, So he had the big hit

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nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe like when it first.

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Speaker 2: Got when it first came out, right, it didn't really

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do that well, it's crazy. And then he puts out

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Little Red Corvette and that blows up.

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Speaker 1: Little Red Corvette blows up, and so they re released

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nineteen ninety nine and that's when then.

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Speaker 2: That blows up. Yeah, I remember sitting like riding my

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school bus to like the yellow bus to school.

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Speaker 1: Huh, I'll the short one, the long one.

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Speaker 2: Right into school, hearing the song nineteen ninety nine and

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going Wow. In the year two thousand, I'll be you know,

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twenty seven, and.

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Speaker 1: I think I've talked about it before, but I remember

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very vividly seeing the video for Little Red Corvette. The

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first time. It was when we were driving out to

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California in nineteen eighty three. Yeah, yeah, to where I

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watched all the Booby movies. But on on the hotel

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stop along the way, the TV they had in the

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hotel had MTV turned it on. There was Prince singing

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Little Corvette and his boots off over as Dickerson's guitar.

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Speaker 3: So up. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So he's had some success, yeah, but he's not really

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like movie star material, right. But he comes to the

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end of this three record deal and he goes to

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Bob Cavallo and he says, I want you to get

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me into a movie.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Bob Cavalla is like, we've made you, like we're a

471
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,759
big part of why you are successful in nineteen ninety nine,

472
00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:25,559
and now you're going to give us ultimatums like I've

473
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:27,640
got to get you in a movie. Yeah yeah, And

474
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,599
he's like, yeah, I'm not sign another deal until you

475
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:30,759
get me a movie. He's like, I don't want to

476
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:32,960
be one of your you know, mafia kind of deals.

477
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,039
He's like mafia. Listen, man, I owned a nightclub. I

478
00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:41,200
went to Georgetown University. Okay, I'm not mafia.

479
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,759
Speaker 2: I read an article where Matt Fink, doctor Fink, the keyboardist,

480
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:46,359
is like talking to Prince saying, are.

481
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:48,599
Speaker 1: You sure we're big enough to do this? They're not.

482
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,279
They're not, they are not. I mean, if you look

483
00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:55,160
at me back then it doesn't make any sense other

484
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:58,480
than Prince is Prince, and he's just determined to do it.

485
00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:01,279
And so Prince had this little notebook that he would

486
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,880
write in and I've seen it in The Beautiful Ones.

487
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,880
If you want to go check out that book, you

488
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,519
can look at every single notebook page where Prince has

489
00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:12,519
written out the story of Purple Rain. So here's the

490
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:15,359
first lines that he writes, this is the story of

491
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,200
the dreams and aspirations of three individuals. And then he

492
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,839
goes on to introduce Morse, Day, Vanity and the kid. Yeah,

493
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,759
you read the story, and he's got the story mapped out.

494
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:31,119
Now it is darker. His story is darker. And one

495
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,680
of the fantastic parts about the darkness of the story

496
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:37,799
is his parents are already dead in a murder suicide, right, yes,

497
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:40,880
and so he will have these flashbacks to the fights

498
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,240
that his parents were having, and in his flashbacks he

499
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,599
is the person playing the part of the father and

500
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:51,519
the mother, like he sees himself as father and he

501
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:54,720
sees himself as mother. And yes, go ahead.

502
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:59,079
Speaker 2: So maybe he's just like his father, like two bold,

503
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:01,799
maybe he's just like his mother.

504
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: She's never satisfied.

505
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: Bob Cavallo says, Okay, I'll see what I can do. Right,

506
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,599
So they bring in this guy named William Blynn. Yes,

507
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,799
he wrote for the TV show Fame. Yes, so both

508
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:19,000
of these movies have roots in Fame, correct, Yes, Okay,

509
00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:21,960
all right, everybody, I just want to formally invite you

510
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:24,160
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511
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512
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,759
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513
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me meanwhile at the Hull.

514
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,680
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515
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,160
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516
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517
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518
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519
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520
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521
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523
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Speaker 2: So William Blynn says, okay, I'll meet with him. We'll

524
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,240
talk about some stuff. So he sits down with Prince.

525
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,519
Prince didn't talk very much. He's naturally very shyper, which

526
00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:01,559
is strange when you see him on.

527
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:05,079
Speaker 1: Stage and he's sizing you up. If I've learned anything

528
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,640
on these first meetings that he has with people, he's

529
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:08,480
sizing them off.

530
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 2: Well, and he does stuff to intentionally piss.

531
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:12,599
Speaker 1: You off and mess with you. Yes, for sure.

532
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: So they tease out some stuff about the murder suicide

533
00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:17,880
with his mom and dad. They just kind of get

534
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,799
an outline, and so William Blinn says, Okay, I'll go

535
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,559
away and I'll work on this. And he comes back.

536
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:25,000
So he keeps calling Prince saying, hey, I've got some

537
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:27,519
ideas we need to get together and write, and Prince

538
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,319
keeps like not just putting him off, but making appointments, canceling,

539
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,599
ghosting him, dodging him. So he finally gets him. He says, look,

540
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,319
we got to get together, and Prince says, okay, well

541
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:39,079
let's go see a movie.

542
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:40,559
Speaker 1: So he's like, fine, let's go see a movie. So

543
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:42,960
they go see a movie. They sit down twenty minutes.

544
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: And Prince gets up and walks out. So William Blinn

545
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,319
is like, that's it. I'm out, I'm done. I'm done

546
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:52,559
with this. Well, Prince calls him later and he's like, well,

547
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:55,759
what's the problem, you know, and he's like, man, what

548
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:57,799
are you talking about? I can't work this way, and

549
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,319
so Prince says, look, I'm sorry, basically talk him in

550
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,240
coming back, right, So William blank comes back. He works

551
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,319
on the screenplay and when he turns it in.

552
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: It's called Dreams Dreams, Yeah.

553
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: Based on that first sentence that he wrote on right.

554
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: So they've got the writer, but they don't have a director, right,

555
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,359
And Cavallo is like, he's got at least a little

556
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:19,920
bit of experience, and you know, he's done some movie

557
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,319
work in the past, but not much, right, But he

558
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,160
keeps sending it to director after director and they keep

559
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,559
turning him down and he's getting frustrated, and so he

560
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:31,599
ends up going to screen this movie of maybe a

561
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:35,440
potential director and the movie is called Reckless. Yeah. So

562
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,599
he sits down to watch this movie, Reckless.

563
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: It has Aiden Quinn and Daryl Hannah. It's this kind

564
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,039
of James Dean type of film noir movie from the

565
00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:43,680
early eighties.

566
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: By the way, Daryl Hannah was one of the potential

567
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:49,000
aerial possibilities. That's cool.

568
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he sits down to watch this movie.

569
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: He's the only one in the theater.

570
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:55,799
Speaker 2: He watches Reckless just to take a break, gets up

571
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:58,079
and as he's walking out, this young guy comes up

572
00:29:58,079 --> 00:29:59,480
to him and says, well, what do you think? And

573
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:01,920
he's like, you know, I mean it's okay. I mean

574
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,839
it was you know, it was edited. Well, I mean

575
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:05,200
it's all right, you know, and.

576
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: The kids like I did that.

577
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: That was me.

578
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: I'm the editor, right right. So the kid's name is

579
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:10,680
Albert Magnoli.

580
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,279
Speaker 1: Right, So this guy is fresh out of UC film school. Yeah,

581
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:17,640
he had he had done well, like he had, he

582
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,200
had directed a short film that actually won a student

583
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,039
oscar whatever that is. But he literally is wet behind

584
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,559
the ears as far as the film industry goes. This

585
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,839
is his first experience in film and he was the

586
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,880
editor and the movie's not that great.

587
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: Right, right, So Cavoli's talking to him, He's like, well

588
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:38,559
it was edited, well, it seems pretty impressive. How would

589
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:41,720
you like to be associated with Prince's most picture project?

590
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, fantastic. I'm a huge fan.

591
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: I would love to be involved the director of Reckless.

592
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:50,039
He would love to direct and will edit and it'd

593
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:51,079
be fantastic.

594
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fully James Fully, James Fully was the director. By

595
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,640
the way, side note written by Chris Columbus. Get out Nope,

596
00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:00,759
I'm serious, like it was. It came out just before Grimlins,

597
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,000
so it technically was Chris Columbus's first producer wow script.

598
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:07,599
But anyway, Yes, So James Foley, He's like, I'm excited

599
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,000
to work with James Foley again. So he calls up

600
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:13,559
James Foley to go, hey, I've got this guy who

601
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:16,559
wants to put us on the Prince movie. And James

602
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:17,839
Foley's like, who's Prince?

603
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,039
Speaker 2: Making a movie about a guy where directors are saying

604
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:24,759
who's Prince?

605
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: That tells you what's going on. I mean, James Foley'

606
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,640
is an old guy, right, He's been directing a lot

607
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,640
of movies that were much older than this. But he's

608
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,680
like okay, let me just you know, let me get

609
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,079
the script for you and you can read it. And

610
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,799
so he gets the script, he sends it over to

611
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,200
James Foley. James Foley calls him back the next day.

612
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,680
He's like, have you read this? This is terrible. I

613
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,400
am not going to make this movie. Yeah. So Albert

614
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,640
Magnoli goes back and conveys this information to Bob Cavallo,

615
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,039
and Bob like throws a fett. He's like, what the heck?

616
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:59,680
You know what am I doing wrong? You know, it's

617
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,519
just rejection after rejection. Yeah, I think I know what

618
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:06,559
I'm doing. And he's like, well, you know, I can

619
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:09,319
take a look at it, and yeah, how about me

620
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,160
loongo bango?

621
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah?

622
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: Good for him. And so he comes back and there's

623
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,000
a couple it's the story is varied here. But he's like, hey,

624
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:20,880
you know, i'll pay you seventy five thousand dollars to

625
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,799
direct this movie. And Albert Magnall's like nope. He's like,

626
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,720
are you freaking kidding? Yeah, He's like, are you serious?

627
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,240
Right now? He's like, okay, well, I'm not going to

628
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:34,000
direct it the way that it's written. Here's my idea,

629
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:35,880
and he says, what the way he puts it is,

630
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,880
remember the end scene of The Godfather. Yeah, and it's

631
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,559
not really the end scene. It's a mid scene, but

632
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:44,000
the baptism scene for those Godfather fans out there, where

633
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,599
you're seeing Michael Corleone getting his child baptized, and while

634
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,519
all that's happening, hits are happening from person to person,

635
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,400
and he says, it's going to be that kind of

636
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,680
same like musical underlying thing, which, by the way, that

637
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:00,319
was what tied that scene together. Like Francis Fort was

638
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:03,119
about to kick that scene, but the music. I was like,

639
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:05,319
why don't you put in like organ music over the

640
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,839
top of all of this, And that's what made this

641
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:11,240
scene such an impactful scene. And so he says, what

642
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,759
we're going to do for the intro to Purple Rain

643
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,160
is that same idea. We're starting with the song, and

644
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,480
the song is going on while we're introducing all of

645
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,640
our characters. In these shot by shot presentations, we see

646
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:27,160
Morris Day pimping up and getting ready to come out

647
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,240
of his house. We see Prince on stage lighting up

648
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,039
the crowd, and we see Appollonia coming out of the

649
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:37,920
taxi fresh into the city and sneaking carefully into the nightclub.

650
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:42,079
Speaker 2: She bails on the cab driver and races off to

651
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:43,880
go try to get in the first albute.

652
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he won't let her. He's like, She's like,

653
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:46,839
I have a meeting with the manager, and he's like,

654
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,000
the manager doesn't have meetings. You're full. Yeah, and she's

655
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:52,200
like oh, and he gets distracted and she runs a

656
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,400
store bolts in and it's great. It's a great. That

657
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,000
opening scene is fantastic. I mean, you're right. You get

658
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,720
introduced to all.

659
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,519
Speaker 2: Three characters, you know who they are, you know what

660
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,440
they're doing, and the song is phenomenal.

661
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but we can't get into it yet. Let's not

662
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,079
talk about that. Before all of this happens. Obviously, while

663
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:12,840
they're still preparing, they bring Albert Magnoli over to talk

664
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,079
to Prince for the first time. And as far as

665
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,880
Prince knows, like the idea is, this is a new

666
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,719
director and so he's not going to be in any trouble

667
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,639
and he's going to shoot the script the way that

668
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,079
the script is written. And so when they sit down

669
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,039
to dinner for the very first time, Prince is like,

670
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:29,440
so what do you think about the script? And Albert

671
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,840
Magnoli's like, I hate it. I don't want to shoot

672
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,599
that movie. I would like to shoot a different movie.

673
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,480
And he's a very excited, like animated guy, and he

674
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:41,199
launches into what his story idea is for the movie

675
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,800
and goes through all of it, and Prince is like,

676
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,920
everybody leave and it's like, oh crap, and so like

677
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:50,519
everybody leaves and he's like, you come with me, and

678
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,440
they get in the car and Prince is driving silently

679
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:57,159
with Magnoli in the car and he's just like, what's

680
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,199
going on here? And then they take this exit like

681
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,599
into this pitch black you know, middle of the downtown.

682
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:05,639
You know, who knows what's going on? Prince Park's the

683
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:07,480
car and he's like what do you know about me?

684
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:11,440
And he's like what. He goes, what have you learned

685
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:13,400
about me? And he's like, I don't know what you're

686
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,960
talking about. He goes, listen, you just told my life

687
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:18,039
story in ten minutes, and I want to know how

688
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:21,159
you know it. And Alvin Mangler was like, it's just

689
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,639
the story that I had. And that is how he

690
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,920
became the for sure director of this movie.

691
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,599
Speaker 2: I thought you were getting ready to tell me that

692
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:32,159
he made him purify himself and the honors of lake manattaka.

693
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:35,119
Probably that's a fantastic story. So I've got this funny

694
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,320
little nugget. This is so cringe worthy I can barely

695
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,320
get it out of my mouth. Okay, So when the

696
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,119
executives are getting together to discuss the production of Purple Rain,

697
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,480
there's this guy named Mark Kenton, who is a Warner

698
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,320
Brothers executive VP at the time, and he's sitting in

699
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,400
this meeting and he makes the comment that, you know,

700
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,760
I kind of can get behind this movie Purple Rain.

701
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,360
I don't think Prince is big enough. How about on Travolta.

702
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, Yeah, they bail. They're like, this is

703
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,440
exactly why we didn't want to do this in Hollywood.

704
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:11,039
Knew this crap would happen. And he they bail, and

705
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:12,840
they call him back and be like, we're sorry, come back,

706
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,840
will will be good, we promise, and so but it was.

707
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,880
It's something. It's interesting that at that point, despite the

708
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,599
fact that they had all kinds of odds against them,

709
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:26,880
I mean, not that famous yet, shooting in Minneapolis of

710
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,880
all places, no veteran actors in the winter, Yeah, no

711
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,920
veteran actors in the movie and a pretty thin script

712
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:39,079
and a brand new director. This movie should not have

713
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:40,039
seen the light.

714
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,159
Speaker 2: Of day, and if it did see the light of day.

715
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: It should not have been a success. But it was.

716
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:47,599
Speaker 2: Well, it's because we all didn't realize who Prince was

717
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:51,199
until yeah, ple rainy. Okay, So at this point, let's

718
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,320
flip back to Footloose and talk about casting.

719
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:04,079
Speaker 1: That's great, Okay. Before we do that, though, I.

720
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 2: Wanted to make mention Footloose was originally called cheek to cheek.

721
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like an old forties like Fred Astaire

722
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,000
gender roches cheek.

723
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, kick off your Sunday shoes. No, I don't think

724
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,199
so either, But I mean really that was just kind

725
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,119
of a working title until they came up with footloose

726
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:26,719
and fancy free, right, and then they just you know,

727
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,920
shortened it down to footloose and it's perfect.

728
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's perfect. Yeah. So casting, okay, So they almost.

729
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: Got Tom Cruise as Ray McCormick.

730
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: And if you're forgetting that scene from Risky Business that

731
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,239
we all watched in nineteen eighty three where he dances

732
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,360
in his underwear, he might have been a phenomenal rent.

733
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,400
I think he could have been great.

734
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,519
Speaker 2: I mean, Tom Cruise, one of the biggest movie stars

735
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:50,039
of all died.

736
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: But he's almost too pretty for the partner, right, and

737
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,400
you know who else was also pretty almost the guy too,

738
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,800
Rob Low, Rob Low. Rob Low pulled something like injured

739
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,320
himself and couldn't do the dances in his ACL.

740
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: So listen to this, So they bring in Tom Cruise.

741
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,639
He convinces them I can do this dancing, which I'm

742
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:09,400
not sure that Tom Cruise could do the dancing, but

743
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,000
you know, good enough, I guess.

744
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,519
Speaker 1: So Tom Cruise was shooting all the right moves.

745
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: He had bulked up to play a football player, and

746
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,800
there was some you know, additional scenes that they had

747
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,360
to shoot and stuff like that and would have delayed

748
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,280
production on Footloose. They only had a small window of time,

749
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,920
so even though they wanted Tom Cruise, they couldn't really

750
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,360
take the chance on the movie not getting made at all.

751
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,440
So they bring in Rob Low and he shows off

752
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,199
and looks good, of course and hugely charismatic actor of

753
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,639
our time. And he hurts his ACL injures it where.

754
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: He can't dance, can't do it.

755
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 2: So they carry him off and they're like, he's out right,

756
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,519
So they start looking around. Christopher Adkins, the guy from

757
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:49,880
the Blue Lagoon, almost got the part, and some say

758
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,840
he did get the part, but he showed up high

759
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,599
on the set one day and so they said, I

760
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:57,880
don't think that's a good idea. So they're bouncing around

761
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,920
on who to play Red. They go to a screening

762
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:03,199
the movie Diner right, which stars Kevin Bacon.

763
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: Now, Kevin Bacon we've talked about before because like one

764
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,840
of the first things we wanted to do was do

765
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,679
the you know, six degrees of Kevin Bacon, because he's

766
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,719
become that guy. But back in nineteen eighty three, when

767
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,039
they're putting this movie together, he really hadn't been in much.

768
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,159
He was in National Lampoon's Animal House, but that was

769
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,559
seventy eight, yeah, and so he hadn't done a whole

770
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:28,719
lot since then. In eighty he was in Friday the Thirteenth.

771
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets a spear through the throat, right right.

772
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:35,079
Speaker 1: He was doing some stage work, and in eighty two

773
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:38,880
he ended up winning an Obie Award for forty deuce

774
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:43,119
and was in a Broadway play called Slab Boys with

775
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,400
a couple of guys who were unknown at that time

776
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,039
as well named Sean Penn and Val Kilmer. Wow, right,

777
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,719
that's pretty cool. And so he ends up from that

778
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,920
getting this part in Barry Livinson's Diner, and he's acting

779
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,239
with Steve Gutenberg, Daniel Stern, Mickey Rourke, Tim Day, and

780
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,159
Ellen Barkin. So they go see the movie and they

781
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:06,960
like you. Yeah.

782
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: They think he's got the right charisma, the good sort

783
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,039
of all Americans, sort of neutral, look what they're looking for, right,

784
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,039
And they're like, well, great, let's find out if he

785
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:15,519
can dance.

786
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: So they call his agent and they say can he dance?

787
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,800
She says no. She says no, what kind of agent

788
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,920
are you? You're supposed to get me jobs? The answer

789
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,079
is yes, whatever it is, it's yes.

790
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 2: So she says no and they say, well not even

791
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,199
a little, Like can we teach him? And they're like, no,

792
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,360
he can't dance at all. So they're like, man, back to.

793
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: The drawing board.

794
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:37,639
Speaker 2: So they're they're fretting and thinking and looking around. I

795
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,840
can't find w Rent. And Dean Pittford has a conversation

796
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,679
with somebody who's like, I just can't find Rent. And

797
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,920
the person says, independently without this knowledge, says, well, have

798
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,039
you thought about Kevin Macon and he says, well, yeah,

799
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:50,920
well we thought about it, but he can't dance. He's like,

800
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,159
what do you talking about? I was at a party

801
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,480
last night. He's dancing his re rock the whole time, and.

802
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: He's like, what are you kidding me?

803
00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they go and they rekindle those convers stations

804
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:01,280
with Kevin Bacon.

805
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:01,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

806
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:04,199
Speaker 1: And the only problem is, at this point, Kevin Bacon

807
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,559
gets cast as the lead role in Christine the Stephen

808
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:11,239
King Car Movie, Car Movie. Yes, And so he gets

809
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,559
this lead role and then they offer him a screen

810
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,800
test for Footloose. So the producers have to convince him

811
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:20,559
it's smarter to turn down this sure thing lead role

812
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,199
just to be in an audition for our maybe movie

813
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,599
that's remarkable. Yeah, And so he does it and thirty

814
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,639
seconds into the audition they said, you're our guy. And

815
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,360
the only problem is one of the studio producers for Paramount,

816
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,039
Sherry Lansing, who is an She's an icon as far

817
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,159
as producers go, like first woman to do one hundred

818
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:44,880
thousand things in Hollywood. But she's like, he's not sexy.

819
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,480
I'm not putting him in this movie. And they're like,

820
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:50,039
what we just convinced him to drop a sure thing

821
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:52,880
role he's our guy, and she's like, nope, not doing it.

822
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,360
Not sexy. So herb ross for like weeks has to

823
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,039
convince her that he's sexy, and so he does screen

824
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:03,039
test after screen test, screen test, and finally she's like, okay, fine.

825
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: So the screen test, okay, yeah, let's talk about that

826
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:05,840
for a second.

827
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: I thought this was remarkable.

828
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: So they go and they get him some high fashion

829
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,800
nineteen eighty four clothing, they dress him up, they gave.

830
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: Him a fifteen hundred dollars haircut.

831
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: Kevin Bacan's like, what, well, what fifteen hundred bucks in

832
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,360
nineteen eighty three, they get the guy that's like haircut

833
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,559
Guy of the Stars, right, and they want to make

834
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:24,559
him look like Sting.

835
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: Sting. Yeah, flashback to our Synchronicity episode.

836
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: And they set the screen test to beat it by

837
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,280
Michael Jackson. So he's dancing around with the sting haircut

838
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,320
with his high fashion clothes, and that's when they're like, okay,

839
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,039
yeah he's it was he wearing skinny tie.

840
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,199
Speaker 1: Probably, And here's the deal.

841
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,599
Speaker 2: They had already agreed that if they don't cast Kevin Bacon,

842
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,519
we are not making this movie.

843
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it was a do or die. That's awesome.

844
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,960
Everything was on the line all in. So we've got

845
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,519
our male lead. Now we need our Angenoux, right, we

846
00:42:57,639 --> 00:42:59,079
need our young Ariel.

847
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,039
Speaker 2: Yes, so Lurie Singer is the person that ended up

848
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:06,159
getting the role. Madonna auditioned for this. Daryl Hannah was

849
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,400
she in that Mermaid movie that you're talking about earlier? Yes,

850
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,280
it was not that Mermaid. She's in a different Mermaid

851
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,199
movie called Splash. Daryl Hannah almost got the part. Jennifer

852
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,239
Jason Lee almost got this part. Havelan Morris, if you've

853
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,400
ever seen sixteen Candles, Elizabeth McGovern, Melanie Griffith was interested,

854
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,159
Michelle Pfeiffer was interested. Nice Jamie Lee, Curtis, Meg Tilley,

855
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:34,599
Heather locklear Brookshields, Diane Lane, Lori Laughlin, Phoebe Kates all considered.

856
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: So Lurie Singer her dad was a conductor and she

857
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,880
was a musical prodigy. She debuted as a cellist with

858
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,280
the Oregon Symphony when she was thirteen years old, and

859
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,320
then got accepted to Juilliard, where she became, like her

860
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:55,519
the youngest graduate from Juilliard. And then she decides, hey,

861
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,039
I'm going to do some modeling, and the modeling turns

862
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:01,079
into getting cast in this tea TV series that we

863
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,280
just mentioned a couple times called Fame. It all goes

864
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,280
back to Fame. She plays the part of Julie Miller,

865
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,920
who is a teenage dancer and cellist from nineteen eighty

866
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,119
two to nineteen eighty three, and that is what gets

867
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:18,000
her in front of them to be our aerial fantastic.

868
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: Okay, you mentioned Sean Penn earlier. Yep, the part of

869
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,760
Willard goes to Chris Penn, Shawn Friend's brother.

870
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,079
Speaker 1: Yep.

871
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:28,079
Speaker 2: The funny thing about this he cannot dance, not.

872
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: At all, not a lick, not a bit like Kevin

873
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:34,480
Bacon was said not to dance. He really can't dance

874
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:37,000
like Kevin Bacon said that. He showed up to the

875
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:40,760
dancing class with a cigarette in one hand and a

876
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,760
Pepsi in the other, was trying to do the dances,

877
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:53,239
and they're like, could you put that out? She was seventeen, Wow, seventeen, which,

878
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,000
by the way, I think Kevin Bacon was twenty four

879
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:57,960
when he did this. Right, in seventy eight, he's playing

880
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,159
a college kid, and in eighty before he's playing a

881
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,320
high school. The fact that he couldn't dance was made

882
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,519
a part of the movie. That's great, and it's possibly

883
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:10,440
the best part of the movie. I mean, it's it's

884
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:14,039
iconic that time that they're training him, the montage scene

885
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:16,840
where they're teaching him how to dance. I mean, that's huge.

886
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,840
That's a huge part of the whole storyline.

887
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: And I think it's huge because for guys like me

888
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:24,519
who can't dance, Yeah, there's somebody in the movie that

889
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:26,639
I can relate to and be a part of and

890
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:27,320
take the ride with.

891
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:31,039
Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, so we've got our male lead, we've got

892
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:35,000
our female lead, we've got our best friend, and now

893
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:39,400
we need our quotation Mark's villain. And so for that

894
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:42,920
part we have John Lithgow. Here's what I know about

895
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:43,880
that part. Okay.

896
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:47,159
Speaker 2: So Dean Pitchford went and saw this play on Broadway

897
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,519
called Beyond Therapy, Okay, and that starred John Lithgow and

898
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:55,400
Diane Weist, and Dean Pitchford loved their chemistry on stage together,

899
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,920
and he's like, I got a perfect thing. We'll get

900
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,000
both of those as the preacher and his wife.

901
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:05,639
Speaker 1: Brilliant. And I didn't realize what a stud John lithgow

902
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,760
Is I mean beyond the fact that you know Harry

903
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,000
and the Henderson's and Third Rock from the Sun and yeah,

904
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,760
I mean all of those movies obviously. But he graduated

905
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,599
from Harvard with an ab Macna Coomb Laudie what He

906
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:24,480
got a full right scholarship, and he had a chance

907
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,400
to go to the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art.

908
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:30,360
From there he went to train in New York stage,

909
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,000
beginning a distinguished career on Broadway. In seventy three he

910
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:38,199
got his first Tony Award, and then in seventy nine

911
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:41,800
he was cast in one of his earliest screen roles,

912
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,800
All That Jazz by our friend Bob Fosse. Real quick

913
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:45,639
on Diane Weist.

914
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:51,159
Speaker 2: Yes, she does a wonderful job of being strong but

915
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,800
sort of in the background, supporting her husband, supporting her

916
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,559
daughter and doing what's right. Diane Weist flashback to Our

917
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:02,880
Lost Boys episode. Ye, he's almost unrecognizable Preacher's wife. Okay,

918
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,519
one more quick one, I want to talk about real

919
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:08,119
quick before we move on. Sarah Jessica Parker plays the

920
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:08,760
part of Rusty.

921
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,079
Speaker 1: You met a woman named Rusty?

922
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:13,599
Speaker 2: No, I haven't either, okay, but that part originally went

923
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:16,880
to Tracy Nelson, who was her co star on the

924
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:17,960
show Square Pegs.

925
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay.

926
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: Apparently Tracy Nelson had some sort of family difficulties back home,

927
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:25,960
and when they got on set, they realized pretty quickly

928
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,079
she needs to be back home. They called Sarah Jessica

929
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:31,239
Parker and she said, great, all right, let's flip back

930
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,559
to Purple Rain and talk about casting for Purple Rain.

931
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: Right, So, the part of the kid was to be

932
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,079
played by Prince now John Travolta, not John Travolta, you guys,

933
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:58,760
I'm going home. So and the part of Morris Day

934
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:01,960
they found a guy with the exact same name who

935
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,800
happened to know Prince, So that was lucky.

936
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: Yep.

937
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: Yes, And then the part of Apollonia was supposed to

938
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,840
be played by Vanity. Vanity was Princess's girlfriend at the time. Yep.

939
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:16,039
Speaker 2: She had been involved in his rock group called Vanity six,

940
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,559
who had a couple of hits, and.

941
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: We talked about her in a little bit of detail

942
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,320
on our Motley Cruz did do a good episode right

943
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,719
there's she plays a prominent part in Nicky Six's heroin Diaries.

944
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,800
By the way didn't occur to me the whole time

945
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,239
that I read that book. They were engaged. Had she

946
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,079
married Nicky six, she would have become Vanity six. That

947
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:37,960
would have been pretty cool. That had been a little weird.

948
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,639
Speaker 2: Okay, So, like you said, the miraculous journey that Purple

949
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,360
Rain makes from paper to screen, it's really amazing because

950
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,840
you finally convinced a writer to come up for Yep,

951
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,320
you finally convinced somebody to produce this thing. Prince is like,

952
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,000
I want to be a movie star, and they're like okay.

953
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,280
And then as soon as you get like the plane

954
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,599
is coming off the ground and.

955
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: We're actually going to do this, the leading lady quins, Yeah.

956
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,199
She and Prince were obviously having a fallen out, which

957
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,679
was a part of it. But she had had acting experience, right,

958
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,000
she had been in a few movies. This is kind

959
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,559
of this weird situation where this kind of bit part

960
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:15,440
player is the one with the most experience of that

961
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,920
they got that they've got there, and so she was like,

962
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:20,239
I need more money than you guys are offering me,

963
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,199
and I're like, you're not that good, right, And there's

964
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,039
talk that she was supposed to play Mary Magdalen in

965
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:31,440
the Last Temptation of Christ, which I mean, yes, if

966
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,800
you're going to go work with Martin Scorsese as opposed

967
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,320
to the first time director out of us college. Yeah, yes,

968
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,880
you would go do that. But I think it was

969
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,039
just kind of talks and then that didn't happen. So yeah,

970
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:46,559
so she missed out. Yes, and let's not forget she

971
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,880
was also drug out a little crazy.

972
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,119
Speaker 2: Here's her quote regarding Prince in Purple Rain. Yeah, I

973
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:54,679
needed one person to love me, and he needed more.

974
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,800
So now they're on the look for who's going to

975
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,559
play the leading lady, right, So they audition up to

976
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:03,440
five hundred actresses. But this includes people like Jennifer bils

977
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,960
From who had done the movie Flash Dance, right, Na,

978
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:07,920
people's Gina Gersham.

979
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: All of these people look very similar, dark hair, dark eyes, well,

980
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,679
Gina Gershon. Gina Gershon wasn't anything at that point either. No,

981
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,480
she's mega hutt. Yeah she still couldn't say Showgirls though, No,

982
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:21,280
she couldn't. No, no she could.

983
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: So they auditioned this girl named Patricia Kotero, who had

984
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,400
been a La Rams cheerleader.

985
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd been in a couple of movies and again.

986
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,880
Bit Parts was married at the time, but was also

987
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,400
having a pretty interesting romance with our friend David Lee

988
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,280
Roth flashback to our Van Halen episodes. Yeah, and so

989
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,920
she was bound and determined to become a movie star.

990
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:49,800
But for this part, unlike everyone else who showed up

991
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,280
in you know, eighteen inch heels and skin tight leather,

992
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:56,159
she showed up in jogging pants and no, maga, I

993
00:50:56,199 --> 00:51:00,000
don't really understand that. But okay, yeah, but they're like, Okay,

994
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:02,960
this girl is different and looks good, and so let's

995
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,559
have her meet Prince. Her parents are both immigrants from Mexico,

996
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:08,639
so she's fluent in Spanish.

997
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,519
Speaker 2: So after her audition, Prince likes her and they fly

998
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:14,400
her out to Minneapolis. Well, his bodyguard's name is Chick.

999
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: He's a big guy. He's actually in purple rain. You

1000
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,480
can see him a couple of times.

1001
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: And he goes to her and he says he likes your,

1002
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,920
like he really likes you, and she's like, wow, you

1003
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,760
really think, I mean, is this gonna happen?

1004
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, he wants to take you out.

1005
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,079
Speaker 2: So they go out and go dinner and dancing, and

1006
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:30,480
so they go to First Avenue.

1007
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:34,079
Speaker 1: Uh, huh. And when they get there, I guess who's there? Vanity?

1008
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, oh crap, Vanity's here.

1009
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen? Is she gonna freak out go crazy?

1010
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,519
And no, just stood there glaring from the side.

1011
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: So Prince was wanting to see how she was going

1012
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,000
to react, probably messing with Vanity as well. After that

1013
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:49,679
night out, He's like, this is my girl.

1014
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: I can work with this girl. Sidebar, sidebar. So she

1015
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:55,559
ends up seeking out Vanity to make friends with her, right,

1016
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:58,320
and they become friends and at some point they get

1017
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,920
together for lun and Vanity is like, so, you know,

1018
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,239
are you doing any more movies? What have you got

1019
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,280
going on? And she's and Apollonia is like, oh yeah,

1020
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,480
I got the female part in this movie called The

1021
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:16,079
Last Dragon. And Vanity's like, it's up. What walks over

1022
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,159
to the phone and she's like she could hear her

1023
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,199
screaming at somebody on the phone, comes back, sits down

1024
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,880
and as it turns out, she didn't have that part

1025
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,039
because Vanny got it. Yeah. By the way, we should

1026
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:28,480
back up. Her name is Patricia.

1027
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: She went by Patty Yeah, Patti Cato, not quite as

1028
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,079
strong a stage name as Apollonia.

1029
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:38,519
Speaker 1: Right, Apollonia again comes from Godfather. Godfather. Yeah, the pretty

1030
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:42,360
Italian bride that Michael Corleone had unfortunately gets blown up.

1031
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: So he goes to Patty Yeah, and he's like, I

1032
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,079
see you more as a one name type of girl.

1033
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,079
So last name gone.

1034
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: We're just gonna call you Apollonia. She's like, whatever you

1035
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,920
say sounds good, sounds good. Let's do this. So Appollonia's

1036
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,440
six initially had this song that you might have heard

1037
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,119
of called Manic Munda.

1038
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:37,039
Speaker 3: Was just sing.

1039
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,519
Speaker 1: You know, I listened to it on the way here today.

1040
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:37,039
Yes to that version.

1041
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a demo, so it's not polished like it

1042
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:46,079
should be. But the Bengals is way better, especially the

1043
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:47,079
bridge in the middle.

1044
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: Well, she just did an interview last month and for

1045
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,159
the first time she came out and said, I helped

1046
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:15,159
Prince write the song Manic Monday. She's gotten no writing credits, like,

1047
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:16,679
I never asked for it and never wanted it. He

1048
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,480
was going to do things, he was going to fix things.

1049
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:21,320
Just before he died. Who knows I've gotten you know,

1050
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,239
It's it's suspicious to say the least, but it's interesting

1051
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:29,039
that in their interactions together she comes up with this

1052
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,000
and that Appolonia six records a version of it. But

1053
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:36,239
she also said she's the one that turned Prince onto

1054
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,599
Susanna Hoffs for the first time. Yeah, like she was

1055
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:41,480
a Suzannah Hoffs fan, enjoyed her music. And of course

1056
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:43,920
when he sees Suzannah Hoffs like in the video, she's

1057
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,280
wearing like this made uniform or whatever, and he's like, oh, yeah,

1058
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,039
I can work. So that was that was how he

1059
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:53,159
took that song and gave it to the Bangles. Oh yeah,

1060
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:54,719
there are a couple more casting things that we need

1061
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,199
to talk about. So the only actors that had acting

1062
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:03,360
experience in this movie Apollonia, Yes, and the mom and

1063
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:04,239
the Dad. Go ahead.

1064
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: I was just going to say Apolloni was in a

1065
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,360
TV show that I used to love as a kid

1066
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,599
that I barely remember. But it's based on Raiders of

1067
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:14,079
the Lost Ark. It's called Tales of a Gold Monkey.

1068
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:19,039
Speaker 1: Do you remember that show? No, So mom is played

1069
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:22,679
by Olga Carlatos who really hasn't been in much else

1070
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,679
but the dad. The dad is Clarence Williams, the Third

1071
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,039
who just last week passed away tragic, but he was

1072
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:34,719
link on the mod Squad. He was the cool guy

1073
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,159
on the mod squad, Lincoln whatever his last name was Link. Yeah,

1074
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:42,480
he was just this just cool dude. And I gotta

1075
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:46,320
say his performance in this movie is Oscar worthy in

1076
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,519
my opinion. It's really he does such a good job

1077
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:50,039
with this movie.

1078
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 2: He adds the depth and the emotion and the anger

1079
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,119
and the rage that this really the crux of the

1080
00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:01,119
story depends on. Yeah, and the scene where he's slapping

1081
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:03,719
the mom around, which as a kid, of course, I

1082
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,039
saw it a thousand times because I watched the Wind

1083
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:09,639
Doves Cry video a billion times. Right, he's like slapping

1084
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:12,320
her around. Prince comes in and he shoves him to

1085
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,000
the floor. At the time, I remember thinking, man, he's

1086
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:15,920
really beating her up.

1087
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:16,119
Speaker 3: You know.

1088
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: It's just very intense acting.

1089
00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you can't actually beat the actors up. They

1090
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:22,199
don't like that.

1091
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's it for this week's episode, Purple Rain

1092
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:27,039
versus Footloose.

1093
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: Come back next week. Yeah, be sure, right now, right now,

1094
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,280
you get your phone right in front of you. You

1095
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,440
lasted this long. If you haven't hit the little follow

1096
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1097
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:39,840
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1099
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:43,360
That's right.

1100
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,599
Speaker 2: We only have three weeks left on our summer of

1101
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:47,280
eighty four after this week.

1102
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: Next week we're going to finish.

1103
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 2: Up the movie comparison, and then we're going to go

1104
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,440
track by track through both of these albums.

1105
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fantastic.

1106
00:56:53,480 --> 00:57:07,039
Speaker 3: Yeah's the mojogl Jana

1107
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Speaker 1: Jungle