Speaker 1: Hello and welcome. I am Kerry Anne and you're listening
to Seventh Sanctum and this is yours hours Halloween Special
as normal. I'm joined by my co ghost co hosts
Fight Narlie Ghost. I wouldn't be the first person to
say that, but you know what special, it's special both both.
How are you? I'm all right? Thank you, speaky as
usual this evening we'll be enjoying by Jade. Jade is
someone that we interviewed at the beginning of the year.
I think it was Yield Gough Witch. Welcome Jade again.
Thank you so much for coming back.
Speaker 2: You guys are the very first podcast I was ever on,
so that's why I was so happy to come back
and do this again.
Speaker 1: Have you done more podcast then?
Speaker 2: Yes? Several. Actually, I think this is going to be
my fifth, fifth or sixth podcast interview, but you know,
you guys were my first, so I'm just more than
happy to do it.
Speaker 1: Do you reign Supreme?
Speaker 2: You reigned Supreme?
Speaker 1: We others?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the first time we did it, we had
so many we had technical difficulties. Yes, yeah, because I
was downstairs at first and didn't hear the phone ringing,
and then somebody, somebody couldn't connect and then we didn't
have so this one went nice and smooth.
Speaker 1: Both are so good. I also Yeah, commented on this
as well. Great observation because we we love agremlin in
the works that there always seems to be really something
on my end, isn't it to be fair? I think
I'm not the co ghost, I'm the co gremlin. I'm
the gremlin works here. Yeah, I'm reading reading Harry.
Speaker 3: I'm rereading the Harry Dresden books The Wizard for Hire,
and he has a problem with technology, so I reckon
I must just be a closet wizard and not realize it.
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 2: I'm rereading the Mayfair Witch's series from Man right.
Speaker 1: Ah, I need to read.
Speaker 2: Very Dresden ones because I haven't read any of them yet.
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, you read them.
Speaker 2: Every time I go to read them, I find another series,
I find a series I want to reread, you know,
because I'll reread a series five or six times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you definitely, you definitely need to go for
Harry Dresden. It's definitely worth, definitely worth it. I just think,
as we're sharing books, I'm going to tell you the
book that I'm reading, but I've a really story as
well that's related to it. So I recently went to
Crime con UK, which is a big convention of true crime.
There was a guy there and he is he wrote
a book around John Wayne Gacy. So he is an
ex Chicago detective and he has some really impressive ghost
stories linked to when he would go to crime scenes.
And I never really considered it before. I've never really
considered that.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, it's funny you brought up John Wayne Gacy.
I just watched an amazing documentary about that pertains to
John Wayne Gazy the other day. I ordered it on
Amazon Crime. I had to buy it. It's called The
Clown and the Candy Man. It's based on a podcast asked,
but it's about how John Wayne Gacy maybe tied to
this other unknown serial or this other kind of lesser
known serial killer that happened about ten years before him called.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had literally the same modus, the same like
mo everything, and it's crazy the connections they had. But
it's funny you brought up Gaizy because I was literally
just watching that last night while we were talking about
doing this.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I would highly recommend reading this guy. He's
got but I will share this onto the page as well.
He has his own podcast, the author, but the book's
really good. But I started talking to him he was
doing a book signing, so when a fan girls a
little bit and got my book signed, and yeah, he
has some really interesting paranormal experiences relating to that. But
there was also with John Wayne Gacy. Wasn't there another
serial killer that was linked to him as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dean the one that the only one that I
know is Dean Coral, which Dean Coral they called the
Houston mass murderers, but he was him and his accomplishments
killed like thirty five boys and they buried them in
like in this boat dock or something, and there's they
both like they disposed of that. They're victims the exact
same way Coral told his accomplishments or accomplices. He was
part of this organization. And then Gasey had also talked
about this organization and it's really it was really well
put together, but it's called The Clown and the Candy Man,
and I it was a documentary that they based off
of a podcast.
Speaker 1: So okay, yeah, they I think they're just really horrific,
horrific stories, isn't it. Really. I think a lot of
the time when I kind of explore these these cases,
it's always looking from the psychological perspective of why people
do what they do and looking at that in all
kind of nurture versus nature kind of way. Yeah, kind
of Obviously you're never going to be understanding I'd be
able to understand that kind of frame of mind because
it's not the norm, obviously, but just looking at those
components that all need to kind of be put in
place for this to occur. It's it's a horrific but
I will share. I will send you the book link, Jade,
I will do that. I will also share this author
as well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I would love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, so we want to sound the glitch again.
I was like, here we go. We should have done
this before the show was recorded. Were you tempted them?
They say, you know, cool on him and he will appear.
But yes, So we're talking about Halloween and we were
thinking a little bit about what this might look like.
We went on a little bit of a side discussion there,
but I think a really good place to start is
actually the first show that me and Natalie ever did
together was a Halloween special. It's the first one that
actually was published. We'd had done some before that, but
the first one we published was a Halloween special, and
we found some really interesting facts around Halloween and some
traditions and stuff. So I think I think the best
place to really start is knowing a little bit about
more about you J. Just revisit that and obviously what
you do on social media, and then looking a bit
more about Halloween and Soowyn what that means to you.
Speaker 2: Well, my name is Jay. My DJ name was DJJ Marvallo,
which is why I went by that for my social
media stuff. But you can find me on TikTok, Instagram,
and Facebook as the Old Gothwitch. And I was literally
raised in a family of witches. When the old woman
walked in the room my nana, the temperature changed. I mean,
you just she was from so far up into the
mountains of eastern Kentucky that she said going to the
nearest store was an eight mile walk. And her mother
was a witch, and her mother was a witch before her.
It's just kind of my family legacy. It's, you know,
because the Appalachian Mountains have been there since before the
birds were in the sky. Literally, they were there when
the continents were all joined together as Pangaea. And you
can ask any geology student that they'll tell you the
exact same thing. And it doesn't take but thirty seconds
standing there to know that you're standing someplace very, very old.
And it's just kind of been my family the legacy.
I inherited, this old hillbilly form of witchcraft, where you know,
you use your intentions and what you've got in the
lore of the area.
Speaker 1: Okay, and you talk about the mountains, I've actually seen
there's been a few things that I've seen about everyone's
shutting their curtains and their blinds at dusk of those mountains.
Why do people because.
Speaker 2: You don't you don't look out in the you don't
look out in the tree line at night in the mountains,
because you never really know what's looking back out at you.
I mean, it's it's weird because the old Nanna used
to say there were old gods in the mountains that
we'd forgot their names and faces, and there were there
was things out there that we'd forgotten about, and and
so you're never quite sure what's looking back at you
when you look into the tree line in Appalachia, you know,
and you it depends on what you want looking at
you too, so it's better off just not to do it.
I mean, that's always called superstition. Drawing the curtains at night,
not looking off into the tree line, not whistling into
the woods if you hear somebody calling your name of
the woods. No you didn't. It's just the lore of
the area, you know. And a lot of those old
superstitions are based on Scottish, Irish and English superstitions, because
that's pretty much the inhabitants of the area. We're a
mixed breed.
Speaker 3: I have to admit I always place I don't understand,
you know, these modern houses with the big glass everywhere,
and there isn't a curtain in sight, and I've been like,
shut the curtains and then nothing could look in. Even
when I've been like four flights up, I'm like, you
never know what's looking in shut curtains.
Speaker 1: So it's probably some ancessional memory card I.
Speaker 2: Have cooked up. Everywhere in here, everywhere I lived, there
are curtains up. There are no welcome mats. Welcome at
my house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was thinking that today as well, about
the welcome mats, because I was looking at the mats
and I was like, I'm not putting a welcome in
front of my dogs.
Speaker 2: You're never it's going to take that as an invitation
of walk in and make itself at home.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, I'm picking up. I'm picking up,
I'm picking up the vibes there. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: Well, in all stories of the fae, the little folk,
the good neighbors, they have a weird way of taking things,
you know, like they have a weird way of seeing things.
And there's a lot of things in this world that
may not communicate the same way that you and I do.
So extending an open invitation to whatever it wants to
walk in my damn house is not my idea of
a good time. So no, I want a math that
says go away.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I've turned into so much of a recluse. Like
I'm living my best life in my little antique apartment.
I'm in here baking muffins and you know, making coffee
and watching whatever I want and having the time of
my life.
Speaker 3: Do you know It's I've been on my own for
twenty years, and I can't imagine sharing a space with somebody.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know how people do it. I
really don't know how people do it.
Speaker 2: I'm two years old and I'm a bachelor because of
you know, my relationship ended by my choice, and I'm like, wow,
why did I ever do anything different? I love being
by myself, you know, I don't have to clean up
my own mess. But yeah, that's you know, everywhere I've
ever lived, though i've had curtains, I've always drawn the
curtains at night, and that was always the logic I
heard from it growing up. You never know what might
be looking at or what might be looking back out
at you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's curious. So I've always done that and like say,
for that reason, but without knowing the folklore behind it,
so I find it kind of Yeah, and especially like
just lately, we've been having a lot of like bigfoot
and dog man thing and we've got woods near me,
obviously not nowhere near as wild as yours, but at
the same time, like you hear things like say about
not inviting them in and not giving them food or
they'll follow you home, and it's just sort of like thinking,
I'm definitely shooting the curtains just in case. Yeah, And
I think what were you thinking little about where they
come from. I know that you said Jay that that
a lot of the things that you do now come
from the things that you were taught your grandma and
in your family. But the origins being Celtic as well
is really interesting. Sowyn is obviously a Celtic festival originated
in Ireland and the Celtics. So what does with that
in mind, what does sooury mean to you?
Speaker 2: You know, Sowyn Halloween, whatever you want to call it.
To me, and the way I've always seen it and
the way I've always felt it is it's the day
of the year where the barrier between this world and
the world beyond is the absolute finest, and which is
Druid's Bards. Of its great thinkers throughout the centuries have
always said that about that time, that time of year,
I mean, because All Saints Day is the very next day.
And it's to me, I've always felt it's the day
where you are most likely to have some sort of
paranormal experience, you are most likely to see activity in
some area, and I think it's I think it goes
back to that whole thing about witchcraft and the paranormal
being an undiscovered science. And I think that it's just
that's the one day of the year where things are
that the veil is the thinnest, the wall is the
thinnest by so many spooky things happen on Halloween, and
you know, everybody's got a good ghost story on Halloween
and that, and on a personal level, it's just, you know,
it's that it's like creepy Christmas. I mean, who doesn't
want you know, who doesn't look forward to saloeen every
year Halloween?
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, creepy Christmas. I love that. I like that.
And there's been a real emergence with these boo baskets
as well, which I am awful by the way, for those.
Speaker 2: Next year, I'm actually just going to go ahead and
make a Halloween tree. We're just gonna decorating out.
Speaker 1: What about you, Natalie, What does it mean for you?
Speaker 3: I don't know, because around here I get hit by
a shed load of paranormal activity in September. I always
get psychic attacks, entities, ghost spirits, everything goes hey why
around here in September, and then it goes quiet towards October,
so come Halloween, I'm normally breathing a sigh of relief
because it's gone quiet. So it's like, and I still
can't really figure out what it is around here in
September that sets everything off. So to me, I mean
when I was young, I mean I suppose we were
in the middle of Wales in the mountains, so we
didn't go trick or treating, so I don't have that
tradition sort of like set through my childhood.
Speaker 1: So it was more a case of, you know, it's Halloween.
That's great because it suits my goth nature.
Speaker 3: But same time, it's never been much different. But one
thing I've been really bad for Halloween is like with
a lot of people, it's like buying Halloween decoration things
to have in the house all year round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, home to course shopping, that's the other. Yes, I've
got a flying pig hanging up in here that I bought,
And the best day to do it here is actually,
uh November first, because everything goes on clearance.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if you go to almost like o'clock at
night the night of Halloween, you can buy all kinds
of stuff for fifty off.
Speaker 1: Haven't you got those shops out there, like I can't
remember what they called the dedicating Halloween stuff Halloween Spirit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called Spirit Halloween. What happens is they'll lease
out an abandoned store for the season and it'll be
this giant halloween store for like two months where you
can buy costume, shotglasses, cups, all kinds of it.
Speaker 1: Just we need one of those. Do you have one?
We have one. We have one. It's closer to you
than it is to me. Oh is it? Yeah? I
want to say it's in the Midlands.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I have one of the Spirit Halloweens
literally right around the corner right now. But it was
in November.
Speaker 1: So that's that's bad temptation. That is.
Speaker 2: Temptation. I have to stop myself from running over there
every other day.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I came home today, I went to the garden
center and came home with a light up ghost ornament
and a bat tanking my cup.
Speaker 2: I went to home Depot, which is what you would
call a garden center today and I almost bought all
kinds of stuff. I was like, oh man, I was like, no, no, no,
you came in here for one thing, one thing only.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is some strange ade. Yeah, restraint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got this. It's like a ten foot tall
plague doctor that moves and I was like, oh, I
have like twelve foot ceilings. I could put that in
the living room.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing is is I would love to do all
this kind of stuff, but I do share my home
with my my children, and I think sometimes they're all
for it until they're not. So I have to be
mine and full of what I've got. I've got one
area that I can do, and I do, but.
Speaker 2: Otherwise that it does phase them.
Speaker 1: Now not fair, that's fair. Okay. So one of the
things is, well that is really good for Halloween is
what we you know when you say about the fat
the vow thin in is communication with the spirits? Yes,
so how do you commune? What is your go to?
And and if you was to call in the spirits
right now, how would we do that?
Speaker 2: I don't. Here's the thing. I've been seeing and speaking
to the dead literally since I was a child. They
had me, my parents had me tested for schizophrenia. I've
had myself tested a couple of times. When they're ready
to talk, they just start talking to me. I actually
made content about how we found this out. I ran
into the the spirit of my great grandmother on the
edge of the woods when I was a child, and
it's I don't necessarily have to call them in. I mean,
they just kind of show up when they're ready to talk.
Speaker 1: If you was to lead communication, So if you was
to so obviously Mina and Natalie we have a paranormal
team and sometimes we go to locations and we might
support people to open communications.
Speaker 2: I think for like on a location or something like that.
My favorite is the pendulum Okay. I have a pendulum
board I take with me and a necklace I use
for like location just trying to see, you know, what's
out there and what's going on. I'm not much into
Wiji boards. I never have been. I honestly think Wigi
boards are too much of an open channel. I've seen
two of them work and was not thrilled by the experience.
Speaker 1: So there are stars do not recommend.
Speaker 2: I personally do not recommend. I've seen two of them
work and they didn't come out of a a Milton
Bradley box and they didn't come off the shelf at
a record store. The two I've seen work were very old,
had a stone plant sheet and the letters were burned
into the board.
Speaker 1: It's very very elemental boards.
Speaker 2: All very yeah. So you know it's I've always tried
to stick with a pendulum when I'm trying to open
communication somewhere. But typically, I mean, my my honest experience
with it, I guess I'm just kind of a magnet
for it. I walk in places and things have started
happening just because I walked in. There. There's a bar
down the street that's haunted. I've had a very nice
conversation with the ghost in the bathroom and there his
name's Gary.
Speaker 1: Carry the ghost in the bathroom. We have a Gary ghost.
But were going from B and M's. We got a
bottle and they called it Garry the ghost. So why
are there always toilets, do you? I know, it sounds
a bit of a weird question. Boy, it does seem
to be quite popular.
Speaker 2: Man, it's the first one. I mean for some reason.
You know, you're in the bathroom, you've got your guard down.
That's just the perfect place for it to happen. If
that's how it happened to me. There I was in
the bathroom. You know, it was a it was a
golf night, the music was going, the DJ was there.
I'd had several rounds, and the next thing I know, Gary,
the ghost who used to frequent the building when it
was a closet gay club back in the seventies, came
out of the wall and started having a conversation with me.
And I'm like, correct that not only am I in
the bathroom with the ghosts, there's people standing outside wondering
who I'm talking to, maybe a full on conversation, like
you couldn't have picked a better.
Speaker 3: Time, you know, specially Yeah, we might try talking to
you in the club, but with the music being a
bit loud, you might not.
Speaker 1: Have heard him. The bathrooms have the conversation. Yeah, And
also you have that running water as well. Water is
an amplifier, isn't it, So you've got that water element.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's actually the point I was just about to
make their Carrie about the bathroom. You know, running water
attracts spirit activity. Flowing water is a conduit for it.
So that's probably another reason why spirit activity always likes
to happen in the bathroom. That it's a small space.
You've got lighting, you got electricity, obviously, there's outlets, and
you have you know at least one or two sources
of water, so it's actually kind of the perfect storm
for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting thought. Yeah, carry the ghost to
Where did you investigate?
Speaker 2: Love?
Speaker 1: Where was the last place that you've had And I've gone.
Speaker 2: An investigation in a while. I've had so much going
on this year that i just have not been able
to do it. I'm trying. I want to go up
to Skaya Took, which is about forty five minutes up
the road here, the Hillside Mission Cemetery. I'm going to
take a friend of mine up there. It is the
most haunted cemetery I've ever been in. I've been in
it several times in the I feel like we may
have actually talked about this the last time I was on.
But there's this weird grave out there called the Witch's Grave,
and it's got a whole weird story behind it. But
you can see the lights moving and things going bumping
the night out there.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have had this story we want
to know about Natalie. Have we? Okay, No, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I live in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and Skaya Took is about
forty five minutes up the road. It's a farming community.
It's a big one, but it's a farming community. There's
just not a whole lot there. So you take a
left and you go about fifteen more minutes through all
this farmland, and it's farmland, farmland, farmland, farmland, farmland, farmland.
And then all of a sudden, there's this very old cemetery.
And if you were facing north on the north south
path through it, and you go all the way to
the end, and then go to the right. Underneath the tree,
there is this weird grave that looks like a cigar. Okay,
the way I heard this story and the way I
looked it up, now, I didn't prepare any notes for
this or anything, so don't quote me chapter and verse.
This woman's husband died at some point, and she kept
digging him up because she said she could bring him
back to life. And she did it a couple of times.
And this happened in either the nineteen hundreds or the
nineteen twenties. And finally the city of Sky took put
twelve foot of concrete over and that's what you're looking at.
And if you look at the side of this thing,
you can see where somebody scratched into it in a
very crude manner, but it's still there. This Bible verse
from the Book of Ruth about Jesus raising Lazarus from
the dead, okay, and people leave pennies on this grave.
Or I've been out there at night. I've seen orbs,
I've seen shadows moving around out there. You can hear
voices that sound like I don't know if you guys
have it over there, so I don't know what to
compare it to, but am radio over here. It's like
low power radio where you can hear a bunch of
different things at once and you have to tune it
in and it's all staticky, that's what it's. You'll hear
things out there like that a lot, like you're hearing
voices but you can't make out what it's saying. There's
a bunch of people bear out there that died in
the Spanish Influenza. There is a kid that died on
the path out there on the road in an accident,
and you can see his legs out there walking around.
You can see half of them because evidently he felt
that the color and was cut in half.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's it's my is on my armor.
Standing up just talking.
Speaker 1: About it, starting to feel a little bit spooked.
Speaker 2: Ever been to this place? Something crazy he has happened? Wow, Yeah,
it's It's one of those places that just standing there,
you know, you're standing someplace different.
Speaker 3: It's a coincidence, you know, because it's in the middle
of nowhere. Do you think it's more active because there's
less interference or do you think it just happens to
be there because subconsciously people like you say, have picked
a sight that's different and that I.
Speaker 2: Think it's a combination of a lot of all of
those things. To be perfectly honest with you, I think
it's a combination of all of those things. I think
there are just some places on earth that are made different.
I think there are just some places on earth that
are just you know, the expression we use in Kentucky
was cut from a different cloth, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think that you know these haunted cemeteries?
Would you ever want to This sounds a little morbid,
but would you ever want to be buried in a
cemetery that was that haunted? You know, because would you
be worried that you wouldn't be able to pass on?
Or do you think it would.
Speaker 2: Mean, I think I'm going to pass on anyway, so
it didn't matter to me really. You know, I told
my kids I'm going to go back and haunt their cats.
Why the cats, because it would be funny. Anyway, it's
been after torturing my daughter's cat just to see you,
just to get on her nerves.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm covering my cat's ears. Maybe it's why cats
who get a bit freaked out because it is all
these ghosts of people that don't like cats going around going.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've always good animals could see ghosts way before
we could.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely, Yeah, my horses definitely see things.
Speaker 1: They definitely saw things. M Yeah, I had to. I've
got one now. He's psychic, but he's more sort of
like telepathic psychic. I don't think.
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure how spiritually is. But my last
two both definitely one of them saw them. The other one,
I think knew they were there but didn't see them,
so he was a lot more spooky. But they were
definitely tuned in into stuff like that. They were really
one of them was really spiritual in his nature anyway.
But yeah, they definitely were aware because whenever I had
something of the field once in the dark, and I
was standing there looking at doing the wrong thing, looking
in the hedgerow, and I had this black shadow thing
shoot out of the headerow. It looked like a dementor
out of Harry Potter, and it came out shot towards me,
and I was that shocked.
Speaker 1: I just didn't move. Both of my horses had been
standing behind. Mean, they both scarp it and they were
like eating, we're going started.
Speaker 2: You said you made the mistake of staring into the headerow.
That's the exact same thing about staring off into the
tree line and the apple at cham close our windows
because things like that happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm quite glad that I must learn not to
do it. It's like I don't whistle in the woods
and I look where I'm going when I'm walking, but
I do tend to look up because I get hyper
vigilant sometimes and it's like, yeah, I can't help myself,
and I'm looking to see what there. And it's like,
like you say, it's it's a bad habit. I mean,
at this point in time, it was my horse's field,
and I was actually checking the psychic boundaries of it
because they hadn't been there for very long, so I
negotiated with the thing that spooked them that. I was like,
you can come into this field as long as you
mean no harm. So in a way, I was looking
at a headerow because I was looking to see what
was there because my horses were bothered about it, so
I was just want them to be safe. But yeah,
it is a bad habit of mine as looking into
the Yeah, I've had it happened a couple of times
now in hedgerows actually not forest hedgerows, and the shadow
things come out. It's quite disconcerting. But don't Yeah, I
must learn not to because, like I say, we think
possibly we've got dogmen and bigfoot in the woods near
us or some English version of it. So I must
learn not to horse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't horses at all, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very changed in. There are a lot more
chuned in than people think horses are. And it's like
with cat I mean, I think cats ribes are a
bit weird anyway, and I'm not entirely convinced they're not aliens.
But but yeah, but yeah, horses have definitely got a
very spiritual dimension to them. I would definitely pay attention.
If my horses were paying attention to something, I.
Speaker 2: Take your word on that. When I have no interest,
I mean anywhere near a horse.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Jade looks like he is not
a fan of this whatsoever.
Speaker 2: It's funny because you know, the guy that will teach
you how to curse your neighbor on the internet for
Funds has studied witchcraft his entire life and talks to
the dead. I have so many phobias, like I'm absolutely
It's like I'm scared of everything but the occult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, that's a bit. Yeah, contraries.
Speaker 3: Would get you more confident in the world than you
really in a weird kind of way sort of.
Speaker 2: I don't leave my house. I have no business near
a horse. I don't like water, I don't like heights,
I don't like spiders, I don't like pothoms, I don't
like raccoons.
Speaker 1: With you guys near the woods, that's a little bit
of it.
Speaker 2: In the woods, see goes practicing witchcraft with his grandmother.
You would be surprised how neurotic I really am.
Speaker 1: Oh that fair. I remember a few years ago I
did I did an investigation at the London homes which
during the day is open to public to go in,
and they have actors that will dress up in outfits
so have machine chained saws and stuff like that. And
they were doing a little walk around that guys were
taking us around and I was like, what is that
and they said it's a chainsaw. What have you got chainsaw?
Literally in the middle of the room. I was like,
why have you got chainsaw? And they said because the
actors dress up, and then they turned them to change
saw on as part of there. I was like, no,
that's that's horrific. And they were like, you're here to
look for ghosts. I was like, yeah, but ghost an't
going to cut me up with a chainsaw.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not going to trample me like a horse.
A ghost is not going does not have a mouthful
of razor sharp teeth like a parsa.
Speaker 1: It's all rational, Jade, It's all rational. I completely. I'm
there with you.
Speaker 2: Ye around chasing ghosts. You know, the ship's not going
to sink. Well, I'm ghost hunting, you know, because I
don't do boats either.
Speaker 1: I think maybe some CBT might be uh, maybe some
CBT might help Jade with that. Yeah, it comes in
favor therapy. Let's face some fears. I say that, absolutely
petrified of heights and refusing to go on anything that
is a foot off the ground. So you know, ironically,
you know, they say the past life baby is very
often past lives. You must have had a lot of
bad past lives with animal accidents in them.
Speaker 2: This is the thing about Okay, this is to think
about past lives and I'm not this I'm speaking completely
from my experience. Okay, if past lives and reincarnation are
a thing, this is my first go round. Yeah, to
the best of my knowledge. If this is if past
lives and reincarnation are a thing, and I'm not knocking anybody,
I'm not saying they're not. This is my first go around.
Speaker 1: Okay, what makes you say that then, Just I.
Speaker 2: Have absolutely no memories of any other I've gone through
the past life regression therapy, I've gone through all that.
I have absolutely no memories of a past life. Okay,
I never get woo anything like that. Yeah, it's something
I personally put a lot of energy and I'm into exploring,
and this is my first go around.
Speaker 1: Ex Actually that you've been elsewhere and this is your
first time on it incarnated.
Speaker 2: Rather than very well be. But I've been through the
past life, I've been through the sessions all trying to
because I want to know. Yeah, came up with nothing.
Speaker 1: So wow, I bet this is a bit confused by that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been it was an experience, but yeah, I
went to past life regression therapy that all that, and
there was nothing came up.
Speaker 1: It's like, I've got nothing.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 1: He's like.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, it's skeptical towards or anything.
Speaker 3: It's just I was just thinking if you were used
to being a metaphysical being, then that would explain why
you find.
Speaker 1: The physical world a little bit more scary than the
metaphysical will in a way way.
Speaker 2: My ex actually said that to me. She's like does
She's like, literally everything but witchcraft makes you nerve.
Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, wow, but talking to witchcraft, I think
this would be a really good point to interject. So again,
we're doing it Halloween special with that in mind, what
kind of spell work could people do on Halloween? What
would you recommend?
Speaker 2: Halloween is a Halloween and all Saints dy are great
times to start new practices. Okay, it is a great
time if there's something you were like, if there's a
new form of devnation you're wanting to work with something
like that. It's a great time to start working with
things like that because it is the time when the
veil is the thinnest. So, in my personal opinion, you
have a higher chance for success for things like new
forms of devnation that you're trying. Say, there's a complicated
spell your work you've been thinking about doing, or a
complicated working Halloween and All Saints Day are the perfect
days to do things like that because you have a
great chance for success on that one. I'm always a
fan of the Halloween house cleaning too. I'm Selene Halloween
this time of the year, I always clean my house
really really well. That way that anything that may be
lingering has a chance to go ahead and leave and
you know, move on, and it's it's just a great
time to really start doing This is the best time
of the year for spell work period. In my opinion,
if you want to if you want to curse somebody
by all means allowayne, Halloween is the best night of
the year to curse somebody. You got somebody on your mind,
you've got somebody that's bothering you. Curse the ship out
of the Halloween Night. I mean A for the aesthetic
and B just for the likelihood of success.
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, the aesthetic of Yeah, I suppose
it would put you in the you know, in that
frame mind better, wouldn't it in a weird kind of
way at night?
Speaker 2: Curse the crap out of your ops Halloween night for
the plot alone, the.
Speaker 1: Lightning ground and.
Speaker 2: Well, and you really mean it, get all the spooky
stuff out light your cans, really put some effort into it,
you know. I personally recommend nightmare jarring people on Halloween.
Did that one one time?
Speaker 1: Explain that was not mad jarring.
Speaker 2: I have this video up that got like eighty thousand
views and it's six minutes long. It's a spell I
did where I made a nightmare jar for somebody that
had really made me mad. They had really screwed me
over on something, and it was one of the old
witch's tricks. I did it to my brother one time
over something when we were when I was a teenager,
and he woke up in the middle of the night
scream me, it will give you night. It can get
people no care so bad. It's pathetic. And it's but yeah,
I made a video about it. It's called the Nightmare Jar.
It went viral. It was six minutes long, which was
why I was shocked it went viral because it's not
an easy one to do. But I was so mad
about the way this went down. I was like, I'm
making content about this, but it involves a few different things.
It's not an easy one to do. Matter of fact. Well, no,
it's in the other room. I was about saying, I'd
go grab it and show it to you, but it's
down the hall. But Halloween's a great night to perform it.
And if you're interested, you can find it on my
TikTok and on my my YouTube.
Speaker 1: I think I put it up on Okay, perfect, thank
you for that. Okay, So moving into the spookier element,
I think it'd be really good if have you got
any really interesting ghost stories or stories that have happened.
They're a bit speaking.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, like I was Tony at
the beginning. I literally grew up in a haunted house.
My dad wanted We moved from Kentucky to Florida when
I was eleven. My dad wanted to move to a
warmer climate, guys. He had breathing issues from the Vietnam War,
and so he had a brother that lived at Florida
and we wound up down there living out or He
wanted to move out into the swamp, so he went
down to the courthouse and bought this house that was
owned by a contractor before that it went into foreclosure
or something. So we picked it up dirt sheeap and
it had an extension onto it, and you know, he
needed some work, but my dad was really handy and
so were my brothers, and they were going to build
a new house on it anyway, So they got land
house everything for cheap. We went out there to take
a look at it, and me and the old man
are walking around this place and I walked into the
back bedroom, which was the master bedroom, and I watched
the bathroom door slam shut. There was nobody in the
house but me and Pop and he was on the
other end of it. I was the only other one
down there, and that was my first experience with this house,
watching that door slam shut. It wasn't long after we
moved in that the nightmare started. Nana still lived with
us at the time. She was still alive and She
used to say, whatever's here has been here a long time.
I used to see I would wake up in the
middle of the night and see a man standing in
my room in a hat and a suit with no face.
That one on my TikTok one day. One night, I
woke up in the middle of the night there were
faces in my TV's screens staring at me, and the
TV wasn't on.
Speaker 1: Now that would freak me out. That one would be.
Speaker 2: You know, doors would lock themselves sometimes. I would, like
I would be able to hear the door in my
bedroom slam shut while I was in the shower, Like
I would hear the lock on the door.
Speaker 1: Do you think not saying it was in our long time?
Did you do you think it was human or something else?
Speaker 2: I think it was something entirely else because I never
figured out what this was, because I tried to establish
contact several times. So did the old witch. And my
parents still live on the property. To this day, I've
never gotten anywhere with whatever's there.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, was it still? Is it still active? Then?
Speaker 2: Even to this day, my mom tells me all the
time that their, you know, the cabinets open. She sees
blue lights flying around in the living room. My mom
swears up and down at night she hears people walking
around in there and they've that's not the same house
that's on the property. My parents knocked it down and
built a whole nother home on the property. So yeah,
it's very much still active.
Speaker 1: Doesn't your parents, I mean that long it's.
Speaker 2: It's I mean they've lived there thirty years. I mean
my pops care less and my mom just kind of
ignores it, but she'll talk about it sometimes. But you know,
Florida has water running all the way underneath it. It
has its own awkward for and there's a lot of
water and you know, different elements in the ground. So
I think that was part of it too. But yeah,
there was. Oh I told this story. I maybe it
TikTok about this one day. Do you guys did you
guys play dodgeball in school in the UK? Do you
know what dodgeball is?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the red rubber half inflated ball. I
had one of those and it was in my bedroom
and I had one of those the movie Aladdin, one
of those old style alarm clocks, but it was like
the Disney version of it, so it was big and
exaggerated and had the two huge bells and the hammer
in between, but it had the Laddin on it. My
mom got it for me. I was by myself one
day and I kept hearing that alarm going ding ding
thing thing, and I knew it was turned off and
there was no alarm set. And then all of a sudden,
the clock went off and that red ball came flying
out of my bedroom at me. I was on my
way down the hall to find out what was going on.
Uh yeah, so that one happened. I used to wake
up having the worst nightmares in that house. I would
wake up it wasn't an ominous voice, but I would
wake up in the build of the night to someone
telling me I needed to leave right now, and someone else.
Speaker 3: Just me, how did you cope with that? And you know,
like having to live with that every day? Did did
you just get used to it in the end or
is it just.
Speaker 2: Got used to it? I mean I didn't have much
of a choice to be perfect. You know, I was eleven.
It's all started and I can hear my old man.
Now that's great. At this place is haunted. We ain't moving,
and I have all learned to get.
Speaker 1: Along Wicks, isn't it really?
Speaker 2: It's like here is day with a beer in his
hand and a cigarette hanging off of his lip. I
don't care if this place haunted. We're not moving. I
paid for it. Yeah, all right, pop, Yeah, there's never
anything it was always or anything harmful. It was always
just weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said, it so happens to this day.
Speaker 1: It might.
Speaker 2: If I don't think I would get cussed out for
doing it. I'd call my mom right now and put
her on the h it's about it. But she's probably
in the middle of her afternoon nap.
Speaker 1: That'll make for another really interesting podcast.
Speaker 2: Yes, it would.
Speaker 1: For being cusked out by Jade's boom, Jay's and then
also Jay's mum cussing this out.
Speaker 2: That'd be amazing. Well, no, no, she wouldn't cush you out.
She would cuss me out. The nicest person on earth
to y'all, and oh, it's no problem. I'd love talking
to me. On the other hand, you know, I nap
in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we spoke a little bit about you moving
into your new property and it being quite haunted there
as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have extended the olive branches and I have
tried to make contact and we're we're establishing things. I'm
wondering if during the winter time it's going to get
a little bit more active, but I've yet to see
anything full on. But you know, nobody in There's a
guy that lives above me and he doesn't listen to
jazz music or smoke cigarettes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, because you're hearing that, well, I'm not sure
he had a bit of a conversation before he started recording,
do we Yeah, so that would be really interesting, actually,
I think I would be interesting to find out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've I keep saying I'm going to
go down to the Tulsa County Historical Society and see
what i can find out about this building. I just
haven't made it yet. But that's been the only thing
overt so far. Now I have like in the middle
of the night or in the mornings when I'm getting
ready to go to work or when I'm coming home,
I thought I saw some shadows moving around in the
living room, but it was one of those things out
of the corner of my eye. I haven't actually caught
anything yet. I think I'm going to set up some
cameras in here though.
Speaker 1: And see.
Speaker 2: Find out in the middle of the night. That would
be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: My only recommendation is, and this might seem so obvious,
but it's not. I've never really considered this. We use
CCTV as part of our equipment, so when we go
to investigations, that's what we do. Watching back can be
quite tedious. However, we have no mics on our CCTV,
and it would be really really interesting if we could
have that element to it. So I would say, if
you do, always get one of a mic or that
can pick up sound.
Speaker 2: Oh well, you know, I've been a musician in an
audio visual nerd my entire life, so I can wreck
the place up with all kinds of microphones. I mean,
matter of fact, I think I'll do that to you.
I'll just set up a separate audio recorder when I
do this.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And another fun thing that we like to do
is something called it's called something else, but what we
call it sensory deprivation. It's an experiment where you buy
and fold and use noise cuncs and headphones and connects
it to a SB seven spirit box. So essentially it's
that am F and frequency if you're able to do
that experiment with someone else, so they've been under that
sensory deprivation and you ask questions they can't hear. If
it's also really interesting to see what comes through as well.
Fee that quite?
Speaker 2: I want to try that one too. I've thought about
doing a session like that sometimes this winter, because it's
it's gonna it's going to be a cold winter here
and I'm going to be spending a lot of time indoors,
so you know, it's going to be the perfect opportunity
to kind of really figure out who I'm living with
and what I'm living with.
Speaker 3: Do you don't mind investigating your own home then, because
you know a lot of people sort of don't like
doing that.
Speaker 1: But I mean to be.
Speaker 3: Fair, if you're active in anyway, I suppose it's relative,
isn't it.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm I guess I'm just the arrogant American.
I don't care what if it's my house. You know,
this is supposed to be the most haunted place on earth.
You know, I'll walk in what up ghosts at your boy?
I have absolutely no qualms about doing that.
Speaker 1: You're not bringing anything more out that isn't already there
or that you're not aware of. I suppose, so it's
not fingers.
Speaker 2: I practiced in the kitchen. I mean, how bad is
it really going to get? Yeah, the kitchen and in
the bedroom and in the living room and everywhere else.
I mean, if it's not already haunted, it will be
by the time I move out.
Speaker 1: Do you have people in your area that you that
do paranorl that you're quite connected with.
Speaker 2: No, I'm a completely solitary practitioner on just about everything
I am. That's just how I am. I've had some
very negative experiences with other paranormal investigators and other practicing witches,
and so I just I don't even get involved in
it because it's it's always seems like a lot of
drama in an ego contest. I avoid cove in life
and all together. I get invited to coven meetings all
the time, and I'm just like, No, I get invited
to go participate in I've been invited to go participate
in a couple of investigations with groups here in Oklahoma,
and I'm just like, I'm not a people person. For
some reason, I find it way easier to sit and
talk to my phone than I do the camera on
my phone than it is to actually socialize. So but
that's and it's also because I have had some very
negative experiences with people doing that, So.
Speaker 1: That's fair enough. I know we hear quite a lot
about power unity when it comes to paranel investigations, but
I've been doing this for about ten years now, maybe
a bit more, and there always seems to be a
level of competitiveness, egos.
Speaker 2: It's not just competitiveness, it's it's also people do stuff
that's just dumb and I'm not comfortable with. Yeah, I heard.
I actually went in an investigation with someone and they
were like, I want to do a blood offering. And
I'm like, I'm out, Like I'm done. And that was
in the first minutes So an investigation.
Speaker 1: They wanted to do a blood offering? What was it?
What did they want? What was the goal?
Speaker 2: Enough to find out I was. This was five minutes
into it and he's like, I'm going to do a
blood offering to kick this off, and I was like, Bye.
Speaker 1: That's what they opened with that wud Yeah that Evey
would have been unhinged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have the expression over here out of pocket.
That was completely out of pocket and I was outdoors.
I was gone, yeah, and that that's been easily fifteen
years ago, and I think that was the last time
I did anything like that.
Speaker 1: That that's enough people in for me, Thank you for me.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's funny. It's funny you we brought
that up people and somebody had found my daughter on
Instagram and had messaged her and or was like, so,
what's what's he like, what's the inside scoop? She's like,
we watched three runs on television and eat ice cream together.
I mean, my dad doesn't like people. He barely you know, Like,
what do you think he was doing?
Speaker 1: That's some investigation skills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, I just that's how I am
about this. I would much rather sit down and have
educated conversation with people who about their own experiences than
actually go out and go researching or go hunting with people,
because it seems like investigating when it's more than your friend. Always,
when it's like, you know, especially if they have their
own team, their own you know, logos, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. At least on this side of the pond,
it always turns into an ego trip. It's always like
someone's trying to get a television show or something out
of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. Well, maybe we'll connect, Maybe maybe we
can connect and be.
Speaker 2: Ever on that side of the pond. I would love
to go investigate with y'all though.
Speaker 1: That would be a blast, absolutely, and if we're over
that side of the Although where you are is huge
compared to where we are, we're a lot smaller.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah in Texas yet. I mean you can
literally spend all day driving across Texas and still be
in Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's mental.
Speaker 2: You can you know, Houston, Texas is two hours away
from Houston, Texas.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, we could start one end of the country and
kind of near enough be the other end by the
end of the day if he was to just keep
driving continuously. Yeah, but we've officially come to the end
of the show. Thank you, Jane. It's been a really
good change you again.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the blast being on again, I mean I
would love to anytime you want me on you know,
how to get a hold.
Speaker 1: Of me, Yeah, definitely. Let yeah next, Saleren.
Speaker 2: Yeah much, I've appreciated you guys are always a blast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. Where can everyone find you. Where can
they find your content, especially at night mare Jo tell
us about that. Where can we find it all?
Speaker 2: It's on TikTok yield goth Witch. You can find me
on Instagram yield goth Witch. You can find me on
YouTube yell goth which, and you can find me on
Patreon as yield goth Witch. My Patreon is two dollars
a month. That's less than the price of a cup
of coffee. And I post even more bonus witch stuff
over there the nightmare Jar. It's on my TikTok. I
don't know if it's a pinned video or not, but
it's up there and it went viral for six minutes long.
It went viral, which shocked the shit out of me.
I wants to wash my mouth. Six six minute videos
don't go viral.
Speaker 1: People in the world.
Speaker 2: Well, the comments section, they're like, I can feel your
anger coming through this video because I was quite mad
when I made it.
Speaker 1: Effect Well, thank you too much for sharing your your
faults and your your journey. It's for really nice and yeah,
I wish everyone bless us out with a happy Halloween.
Speaker 2: No