Speaker 1: Magic in all its forms has fascinated people throughout history,
Speaker 1: and we touched on topics of magic before even had
Speaker 1: our next guest on before to speak about this particular
Speaker 1: brand of magic, only to get derailed by the universe
Speaker 1: into talking about the peripherals around it.
Speaker 2: But the question was never truly answered.
Speaker 1: Just what is Thai Buddhist magic and what's the correlation
Speaker 1: between it trauma and psychic abilities. Well, there's no one
Speaker 1: that I can think of that's better to shed some
Speaker 1: light on this fascinating topic than our friend the Sadu
Speaker 1: Dah who's back on the show for the second time.
Speaker 1: He's gonna shed some light to that side of magic
Speaker 1: that the Western world just doesn't really get see much of.
Speaker 1: My name is Will and unlike boulderin Scully believe so
Speaker 1: we've embarked in a journey of discovery.
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Speaker 1: I'm will'mous and if you haven't yet listened to our
Speaker 1: first interview with the incomparable Sadu Da.
Speaker 2: I strongly suggest checking that.
Speaker 1: Out immediately following this one, because we're gonna go in
Speaker 1: a different direction this summer around, and I know you
Speaker 1: don't want to miss all the information that our guest
Speaker 1: has so generously imparted already.
Speaker 2: Sadda, it's an absolute pleasure to have you on the
Speaker 2: show once again.
Speaker 4: Welcome, thanks, love being back here. That's a really good
Speaker 4: podcast that you got going.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for the kind words. We are
Speaker 2: having fun, that's for sure. We're learning a ton and.
Speaker 1: The more we learn, the more we realize how much
Speaker 1: there is to learn. So we're happy to have you
Speaker 1: on to help us in that arena. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to get right to it from the get go. What
Speaker 1: is exactly Thai Buddhist magic.
Speaker 4: What makes Thai Buddhist magic such a fascinating exploration of
Speaker 4: magic compared to like ceremonial magic and pagan practices and
Speaker 4: all these other culture's versions of magic that we see
Speaker 4: all over the world, is you have a combination of animism,
Speaker 4: so shamanistic type traditions the old religion as they say,
Speaker 4: mixed with Buddhism, and it blended together in the fourteenth
Speaker 4: century when Buddhism was essentially converting all of Old Siam,
Speaker 4: which now we call Thailand, and you have these traditions
Speaker 4: that were very old that no matter how much you tried,
Speaker 4: you just couldn't stamp out. And so it blended in
Speaker 4: with the lore and the stories and the practices and
Speaker 4: everything that we know about Theerravada Buddhism today, which is
Speaker 4: Thai Buddhism. That's what makes it so unique.
Speaker 1: Now, when you think of Thai Buddhist monks, you don't
Speaker 1: necessarily think of magic, right, you think of the chants
Speaker 1: and the meditations and all that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 1: you and Karen and I have had conversations before where
Speaker 1: we've gone into some in depth examples of how Buddhist
Speaker 1: monks in Thailand actually use these energetic and animistic practices
Speaker 1: to make things happen. We'll get into that a little
Speaker 1: bit later because some of those specifics were mind.
Speaker 2: Blowing when we first talked about it.
Speaker 1: But to get a little bit more about you, you
Speaker 1: are a student of Theraveda lineage under Master Pong Sak.
Speaker 1: It's not right, yep, you've had years of experience and
Speaker 1: training with inner door secrets of Thai Buddhist magic. You
Speaker 1: became a Mopi in the Theraveda tradition, and then you
Speaker 1: studied under Rimpochet and lamas from the Bunpo Tibetan lineage,
Speaker 1: and you became a lama right through initiation.
Speaker 2: You even became a high priest in a Wickan coven.
Speaker 1: You studied under Jeffrey Duel and Nourse magic, you became
Speaker 1: a master hypnotist. You are so multifaceted, you were familiar
Speaker 1: with so many types of magic. Why did you select
Speaker 1: Thai Buddhist magic to follow?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: For me, it's the one that I was never able
Speaker 4: to table. I had so much fun learning different Wiccan
Speaker 4: traditions and practices, and I still do blend and use
Speaker 4: some of that to this day in the things I
Speaker 4: do now. But I just kind of reached a certain
Speaker 4: point with quite a few traditions where this was nice,
Speaker 4: this was fun. I explored, I learned things, I got
Speaker 4: what I needed from it. With Thai Buddhist magic, I
Speaker 4: have not hit that cap. I have not hit that limit.
Speaker 4: There's still so much I'm still fascinated by. There's so
Speaker 4: much that I'm still learning. There's so much that I
Speaker 4: have a deep passion. I cannot see leaving with that
Speaker 4: specific field of study.
Speaker 5: Well, before we get really really into it, I do
Speaker 5: have a question.
Speaker 6: As Weill was talking about all the things you've studied
Speaker 6: in the different and I don't know titles you've obtained.
Speaker 5: I have not heard of a mofi? What is that?
Speaker 4: So a mofi is a Thai tradition of shaman, so mopi, mofi, mofe.
Speaker 4: So this you'll notice that there's a lot of words,
Speaker 4: like in the Thai traditions that there's like how many
Speaker 4: ways do you want to say this? A gan ajan?
Speaker 4: Like yeah, So a mofi is simply the terminology for
Speaker 4: a Thai shaman.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking at you now, And if you're only
Speaker 1: listening to the show, you're only getting half of the picture.
Speaker 1: So you should definitely check out our YouTube channel to
Speaker 1: see what the Sadu Da actually looks like and how
Speaker 1: he expresses himself because he has a lot of he
Speaker 1: did a whole Vana white kind of da, So he's
Speaker 1: very expressive his his image, his look, the way he
Speaker 1: speaks really shares a lot of his knowledge, even without
Speaker 1: using the words. But I'm looking at you now and
Speaker 1: you don't look.
Speaker 2: Thai to me. So how did you stumble on this modality?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 2: What called you to it?
Speaker 4: Well, you are correct, I'm not Thai. I am African
Speaker 4: and Mexican, so pretty far from being Thie. But you know,
Speaker 4: I stumbled on it when I first met Master of
Speaker 4: NFL Pact, where then introduced me to Master Punk Socks.
Speaker 4: Those were my two main masters in the Theravada tradition,
Speaker 4: and it was kind of this weird turning point in
Speaker 4: my life. I grew up with a lot of gang violence,
Speaker 4: drug addiction, things of that nature at a very rocky childhood.
Speaker 4: And when I met Master Thanafol for the very first time,
Speaker 4: it was the first, i'd say experience that I could
Speaker 4: really think of where I met somebody who wasn't scheming,
Speaker 4: trying to get one over on me or wanted something
Speaker 4: from me. And that alone was really what intrigued me
Speaker 4: the most. Was there there was such thing as pure
Speaker 4: people in this world. Not saying that they only exist
Speaker 4: in Buddhism, right, but I'm saying within my experience, my background,
Speaker 4: where I came from to that point in my life,
Speaker 4: this is the first time I met anybody like this,
Speaker 4: So that's kind of ultimately what got me to even
Speaker 4: go down that path.
Speaker 6: What made you trust him and know that he wasn't
Speaker 6: pulling something out of on you like the other people before.
Speaker 4: You know how they say, always trust your gut. I
Speaker 4: had that strong feeling that if I followed this man,
Speaker 4: if I listened to this man, that I would be safe,
Speaker 4: that I would be okay, and that I would gain
Speaker 4: much more than I could possibly ever imagine. And that
Speaker 4: still stands to be true to this day.
Speaker 1: And that really stems a lot from the reaction that
Speaker 1: he had to you, right, because when the story that
Speaker 1: you shared with us off camera, it was astounding where
Speaker 1: you have a certain look to you, and you mentioned
Speaker 1: you were involved with gang violence and things like that,
Speaker 1: where how you grew up was a little rougher than
Speaker 1: a lot of the people that might be listening to
Speaker 1: the show. But you went into the temple and where
Speaker 1: you expected these people to be afraid of you because
Speaker 1: of the way you looked and things like that, he
Speaker 1: actually reached out right and.
Speaker 4: There were people afraid of me. And it's just you know,
Speaker 4: I'm heavily tattooed and long, crazy hair, you know, So
Speaker 4: I go, I go to the temple just to like
Speaker 4: check this place out. I wasn't even seeking anything. It
Speaker 4: was more of you know, I grew up in Colleen, Texas.
Speaker 4: If anybody knows anything about Colleen, it is drive right
Speaker 4: through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know anything about that town in Texas is
Speaker 1: that you don't want to know anything about that town in.
Speaker 4: Texas exactly exactly. And so like out in the county,
Speaker 4: you know where it was this watt and which is
Speaker 4: the name of a temple, is called a wat and
Speaker 4: so when I want a watt, w a t oh. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I go there and I'm just looking around. There's
Speaker 4: beautiful sculptures. There's all this cool stuff that I have
Speaker 4: no experience with. I don't know what a son deshbra
Speaker 4: is at that point. That's like the image of a Buddha,
Speaker 4: like stacked, you know. I'll show you an example later.
Speaker 4: But it's a specific type of amul, and there are
Speaker 4: larger styles of it. So I'm seeing all these weird
Speaker 4: sites and things I've never seen before. And I always
Speaker 4: have loved art to some degree, and I thought this
Speaker 4: was just a really cool scenery. And these people just
Speaker 4: kind of like whispering and like walking around me like
Speaker 4: with these like judgment looks on. And then this monk
Speaker 4: comes up to me and he starts explaining something to
Speaker 4: me about you know, the scenery and telling me stories
Speaker 4: and just very casually like it's nothing and I'm intrigued
Speaker 4: by it. And one of the things you'll notice in
Speaker 4: you know, Thai culture is that monks are like the
Speaker 4: Western equivalent of celebrities, Like they are very very popular.
Speaker 4: If you see one out and about, you want to
Speaker 4: you want to talk to him, you want that FaceTime,
Speaker 4: they want a picture with them, like like they're they're
Speaker 4: they're Thailand's celebrities, and they they kind of like this
Speaker 4: group of people had started to see me talking and
Speaker 4: having all this face time with Master Thantopol and so
Speaker 4: they come over and Master Thanifal is dismissive to them
Speaker 4: right away. He's like, no, no, you you come to us,
Speaker 4: like these people like went behind my back and like
Speaker 4: went went to the monks. And we're saying, like there's
Speaker 4: a scary looking man like skulking around the temple and
Speaker 4: he's got tattoos and like you know, he might steal
Speaker 4: something and he looks dangerous and you know, Master Thanofol,
Speaker 4: rather than like, you know, come over and and call
Speaker 4: me out or immediately be on guard, he just you know,
Speaker 4: took the time to actually get to know me and
Speaker 4: talk to me. And uh, he tells them, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm talking to this man who you thought was like,
Speaker 4: you know, scary, and and you were judging him for
Speaker 4: his tattoos and the way he looks, and he's a
Speaker 4: perfectly fine young man. There's nothing wrong with this young man.
Speaker 4: And you know, because you were judging and because you
Speaker 4: wanted to act this way, you go and you talk
Speaker 4: to the other monks. I'm talking to this young man
Speaker 4: right now. And so like that was how me and
Speaker 4: Estra Thanafol became friends.
Speaker 1: So then he impressed you, which I can completely understand.
Speaker 1: But then what made you say I want to continue
Speaker 1: down this path. Did they open up their secrets to
Speaker 1: you right away or did you have an initiation period?
Speaker 1: How does that work?
Speaker 4: So there was a little bit of an initiation period,
Speaker 4: but it didn't take place until after I had kind
Speaker 4: of come back. There was the opening of that door,
Speaker 4: right So I met Master Thanafol, I moved, I made
Speaker 4: new acquaintances, I got myself involved in the very first
Speaker 4: paranormal case I ever went on. I think I might
Speaker 4: have talked about this a little bit on your show,
Speaker 4: but I've told like the whole story before, So like
Speaker 4: you know this, that and the other. A woman got possessed.
Speaker 4: I found myself in the middle of it. She was
Speaker 4: like crawling on the wall. Crazy stuff happened. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: such a long story, but yeah, I met you know,
Speaker 4: Master Amun at that point, and that was when I
Speaker 4: started to learn about magic and things of that nature.
Speaker 4: And then when I went back, that was when I
Speaker 4: met Charlita who was the coven mother, and I started
Speaker 4: studying Wika, and so I was like learning these two
Speaker 4: different forms of magic, and under Master Amun there was
Speaker 4: a lot of other stuff he was teaching me at
Speaker 4: the same time too, like ceremonial magic. He was even
Speaker 4: teaching me like Chiekong and things of that nature. Like
Speaker 4: I became like his apprentice right away because he saw
Speaker 4: something in me with the way I handled myself on
Speaker 4: that first paranormal case. And then once I had like
Speaker 4: come back and I'd met Master Thanaphil again, that was
Speaker 4: like he noticed something different in me, and so at
Speaker 4: that point he explained that he wanted to teach me
Speaker 4: some things, and so for that to take place, I
Speaker 4: had to one go through this like weird period of
Speaker 4: like silence, and I had to do like vipasna practices.
Speaker 4: I had to do these different breathing meditations, these walking meditations.
Speaker 4: And at first it was kind of like I wasn't
Speaker 4: learning anything. It was more of just like following him
Speaker 4: around like a lost puppy, and he would just like
Speaker 4: you know, instruct and say things and explain and then
Speaker 4: have me do stuff. But then shortly afterwards he would
Speaker 4: just very casually show me something, you know, like a
Speaker 4: like a like a takrute, which is like a roll
Speaker 4: piece of like you know, copper foil with like comb
Speaker 4: script or like polyspell work on it. And then he
Speaker 4: would he would explain like how with each you know,
Speaker 4: symbol and figure how you point on his part as
Speaker 4: you're driving driving what's called like a my crew like
Speaker 4: a Buddhist wan across it, and you're saying like not motatsa,
Speaker 4: and like you're you're saying each syllable of this u
Speaker 4: kata muntra and you're you're forming the symbol with the
Speaker 4: entire muntra at each point where it turns. And then
Speaker 4: he's like breaking this down into a complex science and
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 2: Like, wow, this is so cool.
Speaker 4: What are we even doing? And then and then he
Speaker 4: explains to me once we make when he's like, so,
Speaker 4: now you know how to make the crew, He's like
Speaker 4: this one for protection. This one helped stop bad dangers.
Speaker 4: And he explains that to me. And then he was
Speaker 4: like telling me, you know, never unroll it to crup
Speaker 4: because it releases the power from it and it like
Speaker 4: will send back like the bad karmas that it chased
Speaker 4: away and the energies and things of that nature back
Speaker 4: onto you. And so like yeah, so he was like
Speaker 4: explaining things in a way that not only gave me
Speaker 4: a deep and vast amount of knowledge on something that
Speaker 4: I already didn't know anything about to begin with. But
Speaker 4: there were people who collect accruds and there, and they're
Speaker 4: familiar with ti ambulance and things like this, and they
Speaker 4: don't even know about that stuff because that's like the
Speaker 4: inner door practice of it, Like that's how to make it.
Speaker 4: You know, you can learn a lot about cars, right,
Speaker 4: but that's different than knowing how to manufacture and build
Speaker 4: a car.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So it was kind of the same thing, and before
Speaker 4: I realized it, I was being I was being invited
Speaker 4: to all kinds of different things. And some of the
Speaker 4: journeys that me and Master Thanofol went on were kind
Speaker 4: of like pilgrimages that I don't necessarily talk about because
Speaker 4: there's a certain level of secrecy was in some of
Speaker 4: the traditions, sure, and some of the ways that you're
Speaker 4: taught things and to hold the purity of the lineage,
Speaker 4: those things just can't be made public. But they changed
Speaker 4: my life forever and what I thought was possible. And
Speaker 4: I guess one of one of the wildest things that
Speaker 4: I experienced with Master Thnofol was like having these profound
Speaker 4: experiences that defied logic, that defied reason, and yet he
Speaker 4: could explain them, you know, like I told you the
Speaker 4: story about the monk with the water coming out of
Speaker 4: the hands and things like that, you know, and it's
Speaker 4: like like it defies logic, but then you're explained through
Speaker 4: this canon of knowledge and how these practices are formed
Speaker 4: in the way that's attained and understanding, like you know,
Speaker 4: these complex which these magical systems of practice that come
Speaker 4: from you know, the Theravada traditions, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 4: well that does make sense. But at first, it's just
Speaker 4: magic until you explain it in a scientific way.
Speaker 1: You're kind of speaking my language in a way. We're
Speaker 1: talking a lot about taie Buddhist magic, and we're talking
Speaker 1: about ceremonial magic and all kinds.
Speaker 2: Of different magic. But that's magic with a c K.
Speaker 1: But there is there's got to be a way to
Speaker 1: explain what some of these things are doing or is
Speaker 1: it truly just these magical shadow figures that that make
Speaker 1: shit happen.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're gonna love this. You're gonna love this. So
Speaker 4: I have this, let's see article that I wrote, and
Speaker 4: I'll just give you like the cliff notes of it.
Speaker 4: And this is an explanation that you're looking for. Okay,
Speaker 4: this is basically what you're What you're asking about is like,
Speaker 4: how can we bring the science to magic? So this
Speaker 4: one titled scientific Foundations of Magic. And many people often
Speaker 4: wonder where magic ends and science begins and vice versa. Right,
Speaker 4: the two are not exclusively separate. Many a time if
Speaker 4: someone made the comment that magic is just a technology
Speaker 4: we don't fully understand yet. So understanding that little to bit,
Speaker 4: let's get straight into it. So there's a couple experiments
Speaker 4: that we want to be aware of. One. Vladimir Proponent
Speaker 4: is the owner of Nanophotonics Biosciences, Inc. He's also a
Speaker 4: highly respected quantum physicist, known worldwide for his contributions and
Speaker 4: quantum biology. He has established a vast amount of research
Speaker 4: into the nonlinear dynamics of DNA and the interactions of
Speaker 4: weak electromagnetic fields with biological systems. Okay, so not magic
Speaker 4: science science, quantum mechanics. Yes. He conducted an experiment in
Speaker 4: the early nineties and demonstrated human DNA can affect the
Speaker 4: photons around it. This means that human DNA can have
Speaker 4: effect light particles E equals mc squared, The famous equation
Speaker 4: that Einstein discovered tells us, in combination with Poponent's research,
Speaker 4: that all matter is composed of light and can be
Speaker 4: manipulated by other light particles. In his experiment, Poponent had
Speaker 4: a glass tube with all the air removed to create
Speaker 4: a vacuum, and all that remained were photons light particles,
Speaker 4: and then he went on to measure the distribution of
Speaker 4: the photon particles in the tube while in a vacuum state.
Speaker 4: Poponent validated the distribution of the photon particles was entirely random.
Speaker 4: He then introduced human DNA inside the tube, only this time,
Speaker 4: when the photons were measured, there was a pattern present,
Speaker 4: meaning the photons were aligning and positioning according to the
Speaker 4: presence of human DNA. They actually aligned along the axis
Speaker 4: of the DNA. This would indicate in some way that
Speaker 4: the photons had to have been aware of the introduction
Speaker 4: of the human DNA. Removing the DNA from the tube
Speaker 4: presented interesting results as well. The photons didn't return to
Speaker 4: behaving randomly, that behaved as if the DNA was still
Speaker 4: present in the tube. The photons maintained the aligned structure
Speaker 4: of the DNA, which means the DNA must have left
Speaker 4: an energetic imprint once removed. This phantom DNA energy field
Speaker 4: was continually observed and kept the photons in place for
Speaker 4: a month. Interesting when you think about lunar cycles and etc.
Speaker 4: But that's for another day. So what does this mean though? Right? Like, Okay,
Speaker 4: so you just told us about this cool science experiment,
Speaker 4: but like, where's the magic? I don't understand the magic
Speaker 4: Sadu da, But wait, there's more. When we talk about
Speaker 4: chi prana mana energy and the Chakras and meridians. We're
Speaker 4: talking about a complex energy body that fuels the physical body.
Speaker 4: The result of proponents experiment tells us that we have
Speaker 4: an energy body capable of existing and operating outside of
Speaker 4: the limits of physical containment. When the human DNA was
Speaker 4: removed in the experiment, the photons remained in communication with
Speaker 4: the DNA. This means physical matter can be absent and
Speaker 4: a bio energetic connection can still be maintained because it's
Speaker 4: working with the greater energy field with which all matter
Speaker 4: is connected to. Using this knowledge, we can explain residual hauntings,
Speaker 4: the imprint of energy on a land that turns sour,
Speaker 4: holy spots all over the world, and why some people
Speaker 4: can sense a presence without being able to see it.
Speaker 4: Ghosts are even worth mentioning here. Ghosts are composed of energy,
Speaker 4: and that is why they can interact with energy fields
Speaker 4: of other living beings and physical matter. They are manipulating
Speaker 4: the photons within a specified field to create a specific effect,
Speaker 4: which seems otherworldly, but they are merely following the laws
Speaker 4: of physics and the principles of energetic exchange. If enough
Speaker 4: energy is condensed, those photons become more visible, and this
Speaker 4: explains why we can see manifestations of ghosts sometimes. We
Speaker 4: can also note that phantom DNA staying in place for
Speaker 4: a month lines up with that monthly lunar cycle I
Speaker 4: was talking about. And this is how in some magical
Speaker 4: practices of amulet and talisman crafting, energies are consecrated and
Speaker 4: laid on top of one another to induce a specific effect,
Speaker 4: which is just the amulet or talisman resonating with specific
Speaker 4: or wider fields of influence to achieve the determined effect
Speaker 4: for the person holding or within reach the harmonized energies,
Speaker 4: who then joins their energetic field to this constructed field
Speaker 4: of energy. It's not crazy magic, it's literally science.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is that you don't practice Thai
Speaker 1: Buddhist magic. You practice tie Buddhist quantum mechanics.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, but that tongue, it doesn't sound as cool.
Speaker 4: That's true, like edgy and boring kind of.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: Now, last time you were here, we talked about some
Speaker 1: of the some of the really interesting esoteric things that
Speaker 1: Thai Buddhist monks use for the practice babies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, all that stuff, all that the fat that,
Speaker 2: all that kind of crazy stuff that you told us about.
Speaker 1: That, you know, to make sure that we get out
Speaker 1: there because some of that stuff made Karen and I
Speaker 1: look at you other.
Speaker 2: Like, what are we listening to? What are we hearing?
Speaker 1: So can you share a couple of those with us
Speaker 1: that that really kind of makes your hair stand up on?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So what's interesting to me is that, you know, Western
Speaker 4: culture has just such a hang up on death and
Speaker 4: find it to be taboo, and we do everything we
Speaker 4: can to push it away from our scope of everyday
Speaker 4: life because it's just not right for some reason, or
Speaker 4: people just have an aversion it's right the end of everything,
Speaker 4: or is it's it's just part of a cycle. It's
Speaker 4: part of a yoga like like the Hindus talk about.
Speaker 4: You know, a kali yuga is the is the ending
Speaker 4: of a cycle and for there to be you know,
Speaker 4: so Kalie and Shiva are often depicted together, and what
Speaker 4: that is is so for the end of something, for
Speaker 4: the death of something, for something to be reborn or
Speaker 4: to be born, there there has to be a destruction.
Speaker 4: So when a body decays and that that energy is
Speaker 4: being gathered up by by a spirit, right, it'll gather
Speaker 4: it's prana, it's energy. Within three days after the person
Speaker 4: has died, there's still prana. There's still energy in this body.
Speaker 4: And depending upon the situation and the circumstances. I mean,
Speaker 4: some of these witcha are so complex. I mean you
Speaker 4: can study this stuff for years and still learn very
Speaker 4: little about it. Certain things like like a person you
Speaker 4: know who dies, like a violent death like suicide, murder,
Speaker 4: et cetera. They they're perfect material. And I don't say
Speaker 4: that in a demeaning way. I mean this is like
Speaker 4: you have to take the emotion out of this and
Speaker 4: look at this as like a practice in a science
Speaker 4: and an exploration into human consciousness and what we're achieving
Speaker 4: with these energetic fields and mixing like I talked about,
Speaker 4: so you'll find that there's perfect materials, like whether that
Speaker 4: be a female who died on a Saturday and she
Speaker 4: was also born on a Saturday. And then and then
Speaker 4: like that goes into like a very specific type of
Speaker 4: like amulet and things you can make with the material
Speaker 4: of the hair, the skin, the bone, Chinathan as it's called,
Speaker 4: and these spirit statues that you make known as priy.
Speaker 4: So it's not just straight necromancy and black magic, as
Speaker 4: a lot of people might just jump to the conclusion
Speaker 4: of because what you're doing is you're entering into a
Speaker 4: contract with the spirit as the asjarn, the mopi, such
Speaker 4: as myself. When we gather the materials like this, we
Speaker 4: are giving that spirit the ability to right a wrong
Speaker 4: within their own existence and to work off some negative karmas,
Speaker 4: to accumulate good merits, to share in the good deeds
Speaker 4: of our life. Or the owner who will buy and
Speaker 4: own the statue and work with it. They don't use
Speaker 4: the term by though, they say rent. You're renting an ambulant.
Speaker 4: That's another It's just a little thing, but that is
Speaker 4: a thing in the culture. So what happens is this
Speaker 4: spirit will then gain good merits and good deeds that
Speaker 4: go into its karma bank, so that when it eventually
Speaker 4: crosses over, it gets a higher reincarnation than it would
Speaker 4: have originally had. So this isn't like a spiritual slavery
Speaker 4: type situation. This isn't a harvesting, you know, material of
Speaker 4: dead bodies, you know, for some grow tesque shock factor.
Speaker 4: This is a very very normal part of Thai culture.
Speaker 4: Is very normal. People aren't weirded out by it, and
Speaker 4: when you talk about like the guman thong, the roasting
Speaker 4: of child corpses, like people are immediately like, say, what
Speaker 4: you know, but we did. You're looking at the potentiality
Speaker 4: of this child who's already dead, right, so, you know,
Speaker 4: unfortunate circumstances, a very sad thing when a child dies,
Speaker 4: but you have the ability here to do something very powerful,
Speaker 4: something very positive. And that's where I kind of like,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm like trying to reshape the way the
Speaker 4: Western mind kinds of things about this thing, because I
Speaker 4: get people who practice like forms of black magic, if
Speaker 4: you will, and they'll kind of come to me and
Speaker 4: they're like, I'm interested in your necromancy and this and that,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, you're coming to me for the wrong reasons,
Speaker 4: and that's not really what I do. We're both very
Speaker 4: different in our intentions with the subject of death, and
Speaker 4: I'll kind of send them on their way. But with
Speaker 4: the wuman Thong, you have a child who has the
Speaker 4: potential of entire lifetime that was just snuffed out, all
Speaker 4: of that energy, all of those experience that could have been,
Speaker 4: that should have been, that don't happen, and then this
Speaker 4: limbo state and being reborn again takes so long massive
Speaker 4: thanofol sat down and like broke into pieces different aspects
Speaker 4: of like human consciousness and the way it evolves and
Speaker 4: how it develops. Which is just so crazy that like
Speaker 4: they have these scripts and they have all these things
Speaker 4: like and this has been you know, part of their
Speaker 4: history for hundreds and hundreds of years, like this just
Speaker 4: pass it down like it's nothing. And I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 4: Like I've never thought about this before, Like this is crazy.
Speaker 4: And he explained to me that, like when when you
Speaker 4: take that child and you nurture it and you raise it,
Speaker 4: you know it's spirit, and you help it evolve and grow,
Speaker 4: and then you give it these good merits and it
Speaker 4: gets it gets very powerful, and it'll help you with
Speaker 4: like manifestation, with ritual work with like you know, affairs
Speaker 4: of love and charm, business, getting good jobs, promotions like gambling,
Speaker 4: all kinds of things that people use, these four and
Speaker 4: then in return for the spirit helping you, you're helping
Speaker 4: it to have a better reincarnation and to evolve and grow.
Speaker 4: It's a very symbiotic situation.
Speaker 2: We need to take a quick break, but we'll be
Speaker 2: right back with more amazing conversation on the skeptic metaphysicians,
Speaker 2: and now back to the skeptic metaphysicians.
Speaker 6: So when you're collecting these materials, is it like, okay,
Speaker 6: so here, you know in the States, you have your
Speaker 6: driver's license and you say that you're an organ donor,
Speaker 6: and that's kind of giving permission if something happens to
Speaker 6: you that can harvest your organs. Is it something where
Speaker 6: everyone in that belief system automatically feels that way or
Speaker 6: believes that way or gives that permission or is it
Speaker 6: specific to you know, this person and their family.
Speaker 5: How does that work?
Speaker 1: Because you're talking because we didn't go into as much
Speaker 1: detail as time as we did the first time around,
Speaker 1: but you are talking about actually roasting the dead body
Speaker 1: of a child that passed away.
Speaker 4: So that practice has been made illegal in Thailand for
Speaker 4: a variety of reasons which should be obvious, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but now found on roasting babies. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So now what they'll do is they'll take the cremated
Speaker 4: ashes of the child. So if the family has them cremated,
Speaker 4: or if the child is buried, they'll have like a
Speaker 4: ceremony like white Crew and things like that where they'll
Speaker 4: call forth the spirit of the child, and they'll use
Speaker 4: other like priate material, usually children's ashes, and like they'll
Speaker 4: put it into the statue and then they and like
Speaker 4: the statue will be made from like a clay or
Speaker 4: something like that, and that'll contain the spirit of the child.
Speaker 4: That'll be the kuman thong or the loop or the lukrach,
Speaker 4: which are like different variations, which is like a whole
Speaker 4: other subject, but essentially just child spirit. To keep it
Speaker 4: simple for right now. And what you'll find, mind is
Speaker 4: that it's very complex. There are aspects where it's done
Speaker 4: in a positive intentioned way, like for example, I have
Speaker 4: I have this priy amulet right here, so oh here
Speaker 4: it is so this young lady. This is her actual picture.
Speaker 4: A jarn Massia made this and it has like her
Speaker 4: blood and a vial. It has bone from her body,
Speaker 4: funeral shroud. It has like actual material from from this
Speaker 4: from this woman. Now the family. Once once the woman
Speaker 4: you know passed away. She was she was a sex
Speaker 4: worker and she was found brutally beaten to death in
Speaker 4: an alley. It's very very tragic death, you know, it's
Speaker 4: very sad, like in no way, shape or form does
Speaker 4: anyone deserve that, and so the family they wanted, they
Speaker 4: wanted something good to come from this. They wanted, you know,
Speaker 4: her death to not be like this meaningless, like violent end.
Speaker 4: They wanted her to be able to do some good
Speaker 4: in the world with such a bad and unfortunate, you know, incident.
Speaker 4: And when you think about that, that's actually a very
Speaker 4: sweet intention, you know, move on the parent's part, like
Speaker 4: they're grieving, Like it's not just like, yeah, like, let's
Speaker 4: make some money chop up our dead daughter. That's not
Speaker 4: what it all is at all. Like, these are grieving
Speaker 4: parents who truly loved their daughter, and they have chosen
Speaker 4: to seek out this spiritual teacher to then use parts
Speaker 4: of her body to make amulets to help other people
Speaker 4: so that their daughter can have good merits built up,
Speaker 4: so their daughter can have a better reincarnation where maybe
Speaker 4: she won't be bludgeoned to death in an alley way
Speaker 4: again in her next life. Like if that doesn't touch
Speaker 4: your heart, I think you're a monster. Like, you know,
Speaker 4: that's that's a beautiful story from such a tragic ending.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of the aspect of how this can
Speaker 4: be positive intention. Same same with parents that lose their child,
Speaker 4: and they still want to raise that child even though
Speaker 4: that's just not possible anymore. So they have their child
Speaker 4: turned into a guman thong, and then they care for
Speaker 4: it as a child, because that's how you treat a
Speaker 4: guman thong spirit. You give it toys, you talk to
Speaker 4: like a baby like you know, you you take care
Speaker 4: of it. And so it's become ingrained in the culture
Speaker 4: that death isn't this big scary, bad thing. Death is
Speaker 4: just part of life. You can't be here without dying eventually,
Speaker 4: It's just part of the package. And where it gets
Speaker 4: to be questionable sometimes in the culture is you'll have
Speaker 4: police officers that want to make money, and it's kind
Speaker 4: of common knowledge the type police force is very corrupt
Speaker 4: in many ways, and so what they'll do is they
Speaker 4: have like a network of buyers that they'll contact when
Speaker 4: they come to a suicide scene and they'll say, like,
Speaker 4: you know, we have we have this this man that
Speaker 4: was found in a bathtub, you know, days later and
Speaker 4: like he's like his body has like kind of started
Speaker 4: to liquify in the water. You know, we collected this
Speaker 4: much from the crime scene of this like liquefied fat
Speaker 4: and water and you know, highest bidder gets this, and
Speaker 4: then so the people will like and they'll take pictures
Speaker 4: of it, so it's like, you know, it's legit, like
Speaker 4: it literally came from what they said it came from.
Speaker 4: And then these people will buy the material and then
Speaker 4: they'll take it to like them, they'll take it to
Speaker 4: the Ajar and they'll take it to these holymen and
Speaker 4: then they'll have them crafted into amulets and then a
Speaker 4: lot of those proceeds will usually go to like foundations
Speaker 4: that help like you know, people with like diseases that
Speaker 4: don't have health care or access to it, feeding them,
Speaker 4: putting kids through school, rebuilding temples, all kinds of things.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of good that comes from it,
Speaker 4: even though there is like this underworld crime aspect of
Speaker 4: it taking place. And then you have like hospitals that'll
Speaker 4: instead of disposing of the babies, like they'll take them
Speaker 4: to temples. And there was like one temple that got
Speaker 4: in a lot of trouble for that, so that got
Speaker 4: busted and caught. But like there's different levels of it,
Speaker 4: like there's people do it with positive intentions and there's
Speaker 4: people who do it to make money.
Speaker 1: Right, and it's all about the intention, right, So does
Speaker 1: it sour the magic? Then if it's done in an
Speaker 1: intentionally inappropriate way, does it sour the energy that are
Speaker 1: mixed in with.
Speaker 4: It, Yes, but that's not the final say. So there's
Speaker 4: ways to purify death energy, and there's ways to kind
Speaker 4: of remove the elements of backfire a jar and Boui
Speaker 4: talks about it quite a bit. So he's often known
Speaker 4: as like, you know, the the professor of necromancy. He's
Speaker 4: a famous shaman in Thailand who is like commonly sleeps
Speaker 4: and graveyards and I mean the man is just like
Speaker 4: surrounded by death all the time, and like that's just
Speaker 4: that's just his jam. And people will collect his picture
Speaker 4: because it's said that just having a picture of a
Speaker 4: jampui scares away bad ghost. So like this man's held
Speaker 4: with a lot of like respect and esteem. And what
Speaker 4: he'll often do is to have people that will bring
Speaker 4: price statues or like wuman thong that might have been
Speaker 4: made in an unethical way to him and he'll purify
Speaker 4: them and for a small fee, of course, he'll purify
Speaker 4: them and give them back to the people. And so
Speaker 4: there are certain secrecies behind like how that's conducted and done.
Speaker 4: But usually you know, without saying too much, there's kind
Speaker 4: of like a trading of your own life force in
Speaker 4: that aspect, so one can only do that for so
Speaker 4: long before it catches up. There have been some famous
Speaker 4: or garns who played with too much nomen prie oil,
Speaker 4: which is like chin fat oil melted from a corpse,
Speaker 4: and it makes it makes people like like lust after you,
Speaker 4: like crazy, and so there was this one a jarn
Speaker 4: who used it on all kinds of like young ladies,
Speaker 4: and like they went so crazy jealous over him that
Speaker 4: they ended up murdering him. And it was wild, like
Speaker 4: at first it was like dang, like like he's like
Speaker 4: getting all these women and this, and then next thing
Speaker 4: you know, like they just like they lost their minds.
Speaker 4: And also there's an aspect of like ghost sickness where
Speaker 4: like ingesting the nonmen priol can give you really strong
Speaker 4: spirit power, but you're also eating literal death energy, and
Speaker 4: so it'll start to corrupt you internally. And with ghostedness,
Speaker 4: the ghosts eat you from within, so like you'll lose
Speaker 4: your mind, your organs can shut down, you can have
Speaker 4: like a wasting away kind of and and it's It's
Speaker 4: a really really terrible thing to watch. I've had a
Speaker 4: couple of people that I had to cure of ghost sickness,
Speaker 4: and it was really interesting because medically, you know, they're
Speaker 4: experiencing all these ailments and these things going on, but
Speaker 4: doctors are like, we don't understand. Like tests you're coming
Speaker 4: back negative, like you should be fined, but like you're
Speaker 4: bleeding from your bowels and we don't know how to
Speaker 4: explain it. Or like you know, like you say that
Speaker 4: you can't eat, We given you not a nausea medicine,
Speaker 4: and yet you're like keep losing weight because the ghosts
Speaker 4: are eating you from within, or they end up in
Speaker 4: a mental institution. They just mentally just shatter crazy stuff.
Speaker 5: How do you cure someone from that?
Speaker 4: So what I do is I use a process from
Speaker 4: Core and Diismo where I use lumpia. So I use
Speaker 4: like an egg and I'll like draw like the sickness
Speaker 4: into the egg, and i use iron to separate the
Speaker 4: attachment from the spirit, pressing it onto the skin. And
Speaker 4: then I'll actually go through their entire like energetic body
Speaker 4: and clear it with the with katta. Like I'll use
Speaker 4: like like very powerful calls on like a bunch of
Speaker 4: lineage masters, and I'll use that one and I'll just
Speaker 4: like run it through and I'll just kind of like
Speaker 4: it's like running something through the washing machine a couple
Speaker 4: of times till it comes out clean. And so like
Speaker 4: I'll do that like repetitiously and just kind of roll
Speaker 4: through that. And then sometimes like I'll prepare like a
Speaker 4: lookum which is like this little clay ball, and it'll
Speaker 4: have like blessed lucky rice and like certain charged spiritual herbs,
Speaker 4: things that have like sat on the altar for several months,
Speaker 4: including like even a couple of years, and then I'll
Speaker 4: put this mixture together and I have them I'll have
Speaker 4: them ingest that, and then I give them like blessed
Speaker 4: water that like I'll use like a mitmore on my
Speaker 4: crew and like some cotta chanting into the water, and
Speaker 4: then like special sea saw mix that in and then
Speaker 4: take some of like like when you chant and you
Speaker 4: get the consecrated chance, you get a lot of power.
Speaker 4: And this is like underneath your tongue is the purest
Speaker 4: chi condensed in your body through your meridian system. And
Speaker 4: so I'll take like a dab of that and then
Speaker 4: I'll put that I'll put that into the water. And
Speaker 4: so it's like some people might be like ear, they're
Speaker 4: drinking your spit, and it's like, no, they're actually like
Speaker 4: ingesting very condensed, pure cheat. But if you want to
Speaker 4: just focus on its spit, like okay, we can do that,
Speaker 4: but drink it because it's good for you.
Speaker 1: A wow, what I'm hearing you say is that this
Speaker 1: stuff is not for the weak of heart, right, This
Speaker 1: is not something you go into unknowingly.
Speaker 2: If you want to get.
Speaker 1: Involved with this kind of thing, you need to make
Speaker 1: sure you have someone's strong guidance, because yeah, every step
Speaker 1: of the way you talked about, they don't unroll the
Speaker 1: thing with jigger, right, Like who knew that I could
Speaker 1: get all that stuff that I just put out in the.
Speaker 2: Universe back at me? Or who knew I shouldn't use
Speaker 2: a chin fat of a corpse? If I didn't know
Speaker 2: what I was doing, you know, I mean, it doesn't
Speaker 2: come naturally to me. I would just just do it
Speaker 2: and then see what happens.
Speaker 1: But if someone wanted to get involved, wanted to learn
Speaker 1: more about Thai Buddhist magic, how could someone do that?
Speaker 2: I mean, because there are not a lot of Thai
Speaker 2: Buddhist monks.
Speaker 4: In Virginia, for example, you'd have to contact someone like
Speaker 4: me unless you know someone like Master Thanophol or Master
Speaker 4: punk Sock or Lone or like any of these like
Speaker 4: Masters of JAMPUOI A j Macia, all these people, Like
Speaker 4: unless you know them or you know someone like them,
Speaker 4: then like sorry, but you don't have access, and I mean,
Speaker 4: good luck if you try to figure it out on
Speaker 4: your own. These are very complex magical systems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he sounds like very dangerous. They could potentially dangerous
Speaker 1: magical systems you don't want to stumble into.
Speaker 4: Well, it's like even something like gathering gopau gopaw is
Speaker 4: like it's like, oh gosh, this stuff is like really
Speaker 4: really freaking potent, and it's useful in a lot of
Speaker 4: like suny meta like charming magic. And gopow is the
Speaker 4: running musk oil from the back of a mating elephant's ears,
Speaker 4: and so to gather that when's the most dangerous? I
Speaker 4: mean elephants are dangerous, right, but when's the an elephant
Speaker 4: the most dangerous during mating season?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, so no one, no one likes toupted in
Speaker 2: that moment, and I'm sorry, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: Being who figured that out the first time. This is
Speaker 5: like the.
Speaker 4: Secret life of monks. That like cracks me up because
Speaker 4: like everyone everyone has this picture of like, you know,
Speaker 4: this monk you know in silent meditation, like just so
Speaker 4: you see those inspirational calendars and all that, and it's
Speaker 4: like my image is like this monk standing in front
Speaker 4: of a charging elephant, like a chanting kotta feverishly to
Speaker 4: like subdue and calm the mental fortitude and like essentially
Speaker 4: kind of hijack the mind of the elephant and then
Speaker 4: allow get the elephant to allow him to climb on
Speaker 4: top of the elephant and scoop up some of the
Speaker 4: oil from behind its ear. Like that's my idea of
Speaker 4: a monk. That's what I think of.
Speaker 1: That's that's how you get it's that actually happens.
Speaker 4: That's how you get gopao and many people who treat well,
Speaker 4: you have to be taught the proper katta because the
Speaker 4: proper katta, when you learn it, it has this calming
Speaker 4: effect where you actually like pacify the elephant, where you
Speaker 4: can actually get it to a pacified state where you
Speaker 4: can go up and you can gather. But many people
Speaker 4: have just like they know, gopao is actually very expensive too,
Speaker 4: rightfully so, and there are people who are not trained
Speaker 4: in it or like try to figure it out on
Speaker 4: their own, and then what happens They get trampled to
Speaker 4: death by a freaking elephant, like go figure.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And these kinds of things you can't just find them
Speaker 1: in your local grocery store, right, I mean these are
Speaker 1: no you got to go to a specific place for this.
Speaker 1: Is it usually mostly just sold in Thailand? Or can
Speaker 1: this usually elsewhere?
Speaker 4: It's usually I mean you got to think about the culture, right,
Speaker 4: So that's that's where you're that's where you're going to
Speaker 4: find it. But you have like people like me that
Speaker 4: have you know, connections with temples in Thailand, who have
Speaker 4: connections with various different monks. And I regularly have like
Speaker 4: a bunch of stuff like sent to me and on
Speaker 4: like a revolving basis, Like I'm like, hey, like when
Speaker 4: you'll get new capulsin is in let me know, like
Speaker 4: that stuff's selling hot right now. So it's like like yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like why would you want cat Pussen to sad
Speaker 4: you down? I'm like for wealth, you know, like formula
Speaker 4: and like spells duh, Like everybody knows that, which is
Speaker 4: like you know, like that's what these are, so so
Speaker 4: that that's cat placenta.
Speaker 2: Cat placenta. It's not a word you hear about very
Speaker 2: often or think about very well.
Speaker 5: And if you're not watching this, you're only listening. It's
Speaker 5: like an amulet.
Speaker 6: It's not like a big old slab of something, right,
Speaker 6: it's nice and tidy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do yourself a favor and go check out our
Speaker 1: YouTube video so that you can see exactly what the
Speaker 1: sadu dies holding up right now, because otherwise the image
Speaker 1: in your mind is probably not going to be a
Speaker 1: pleasant one.
Speaker 6: I want to know one thing, and it's a little
Speaker 6: bit of a different topic, but you know, you hear
Speaker 6: about Christianity, and.
Speaker 2: If you're not, you're changing the topic for the.
Speaker 6: This is something I've been wondering and I need to know.
Speaker 6: And so you know, you get baptized in this. If
Speaker 6: you're not baptized, you're not going to go to Heaven
Speaker 6: and all this stuff. And this is the one religion
Speaker 6: and the you know, there's the muzzle, like everybody has
Speaker 6: their one religion. So for for someone like you who
Speaker 6: practices this, where do other belief systems fall into play.
Speaker 6: Are they just wrong or is there a little like
Speaker 6: how what are your thoughts.
Speaker 4: On that's you know, honestly, that's not for me to
Speaker 4: for anyone else. For myself, I'm I'm aware of certain
Speaker 4: elements of how the spirit moves within the spiritual realm,
Speaker 4: and if I were to play my cards right, I
Speaker 4: think it's safe to say that I could expect a
Speaker 4: certain type of result based upon how I choose to
Speaker 4: live my life. And that's kind of how I go
Speaker 4: about it is. You know, if I help people, if
Speaker 4: I try to do good things, if I live my
Speaker 4: life in an honest way, then when I pass and
Speaker 4: I have you know, a proper ceremony, or my spiritual
Speaker 4: energy is condensed to go within a certain place, maybe
Speaker 4: I can enter one of the heavenly type of realms,
Speaker 4: which is basically just a higher vibratory plane. I think
Speaker 4: heavenly or heaven is just too highly charged of a word.
Speaker 4: It gives people specific imagery and it's not even necessarily
Speaker 4: anything like that. So I think I stand a pretty
Speaker 4: good chance of going to a higher vibratory plane of existing,
Speaker 4: or at least coming back into an ideal life like
Speaker 4: this one has been for most of my adult life
Speaker 4: my child who is not that great. But I would
Speaker 4: say as an adult and in my past experience is
Speaker 4: this last decade especially, life's been pretty good for the
Speaker 4: most part, and I don't really have any complaints, and
Speaker 4: I'm pretty satisfied and content as things stand right now.
Speaker 4: So if I get another experience like this, I'd say
Speaker 4: I'd be okay with that. But for me to determine
Speaker 4: what anyone else is going to get or have, that's
Speaker 4: not my place to say. I have thoughts, I have,
Speaker 4: you know, theories, and I have some education that would
Speaker 4: lead me to believe certain things, but it's not for
Speaker 4: me to pollute the mind of another.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 6: And for me personally, I think that everybody has their
Speaker 6: path and they choose what, you know, what is right
Speaker 6: for them.
Speaker 5: And and I'm kind of be a good person.
Speaker 6: Put the good energy out there and you'll go to
Speaker 6: the good place whatever that is for you.
Speaker 2: It was a good show.
Speaker 5: Now, But I just know that my way or the highway.
Speaker 6: So I just didn't know if that was a belief
Speaker 6: system of the people that practice type it is magic
Speaker 6: if they think that's the only way, or if they
Speaker 6: give room for other people in their belief systems as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean really, the way it's approached in Buddhism
Speaker 4: is they don't believe in a god, you know, they
Speaker 4: believe that the Buddha has shown the way to liberate yourself.
Speaker 4: So Buddha isn't worshiped as a god. Buddha is worshiped
Speaker 4: because he mercy in going forth and struggling. Because before
Speaker 4: then there was there was like there was two extreme paths, right,
Speaker 4: there was there was the path of bliss and there
Speaker 4: was the path of pain, and either one of those
Speaker 4: could bring you to enlightenment or kill you while you tried.
Speaker 4: And the Buddha found the middle way, right, And so
Speaker 4: it's an amazing thing because he taught us, like, you know,
Speaker 4: salvation for ourselves, whereas like in a lot of other
Speaker 4: religions and practices, like you know, there's some sort of
Speaker 4: being that gives you salvation, and a lot of people
Speaker 4: will kind of without a proper understanding, make that same
Speaker 4: association about Buddha. But the Buddha is more of like, hey,
Speaker 4: this is possible. I was literally just a regular human
Speaker 4: and I put my effort, my energy, my soul, everything
Speaker 4: and an existence into striving towards enlightenment. You can do it.
Speaker 4: I have shown it's possible. And so that's what it's
Speaker 4: really about, is that you can redeem yourself, you can
Speaker 4: break those karmic chains, you can transcend. It's possible. Now
Speaker 4: what you want to do is up to you.
Speaker 1: And there's a school of thought that says the Buddha, Jesus,
Speaker 1: all these different religious leaders, for lack of a better word,
Speaker 1: may not necessarily have been like Jesus may may not
Speaker 1: have been the true reincarnation of God on the planet,
Speaker 1: for example, but rather an ascended master that was teaching
Speaker 1: us the way to ascend to move forward. Same thing
Speaker 1: can be said about the Buddha, the same thing can
Speaker 1: be said about Christiana, all these different entities that are
Speaker 1: meant to come down and help us to pave the way.
Speaker 1: So I get what you're saying. The question that stays
Speaker 1: in my mind, though, is some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: you we were just talking about, that that they do.
Speaker 2: And I want to.
Speaker 1: Note the fact that you, when you refer to Buddhists,
Speaker 1: you say they do you not consider yourself a Buddhist?
Speaker 4: No, I don't really consider myself anything. Note that I
Speaker 4: mentioned how how much I love and am drawn to
Speaker 4: this practice and how it's a very big part of
Speaker 4: my life. But I never said I am a Buddhist.
Speaker 4: It is useful for me. There's a lot that I
Speaker 4: learned from it as far as as what I believe,
Speaker 4: Like spiritually, I don't necessarily have a religion, Like I
Speaker 4: don't want to sound hokey, but like you know, the
Speaker 4: Dali Lama said, like you know, my religion is loved
Speaker 4: like that. There's very much so how I feel. It's like,
Speaker 4: you know, everything's relevant to me in some way at
Speaker 4: some point in maybe some time, I play in the
Speaker 4: parameters of whatever is appropriate for the situation. When I
Speaker 4: have clients or students that are Christian and they want
Speaker 4: to take that path working and they're coming to me,
Speaker 4: like I will use Christian mythology, I will, I will.
Speaker 4: I will teach them certain prayers like the Honible go
Speaker 4: up prayer.
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 4: I will show them, you know, like a pathworking within
Speaker 4: that right. But that doesn't mean that's what I follow either.
Speaker 4: It's just that the tie Buddhism is my go to.
Speaker 4: It's what I'm most comfortable with. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 4: I have to be a Buddhist, right.
Speaker 2: Right, And that goes to your question, Karen, that's what
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 5: That's perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you take little bits and pieces of all different
Speaker 1: things and you create your own modality that makes sense
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: That that makes perfect sense for the both of us.
Speaker 5: That's what we've done exactly.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm about to say this, but can
Speaker 1: you realize how much time we've actually spent already speaking?
Speaker 1: And and I have so many more questions. I have
Speaker 1: such a fun time talking with you. I don't want
Speaker 1: to let you go. Well, I mean, it's it's important
Speaker 1: to follow up in the fact that all this stuff
Speaker 1: is used for the greater good, right it's not. I mean,
Speaker 1: you hear people that use these types of things for
Speaker 1: nefarious purposes and things like that. But for by and large,
Speaker 1: the tie the Budhist monks that use these magics, they
Speaker 1: use them for the greater good of humanity of itself.
Speaker 1: It's not meant to be looked at as something evil
Speaker 1: or negative in any way.
Speaker 4: It's not meant to be used that way either. A
Speaker 4: lot of monks will actually encode certain spells kind of
Speaker 4: like a tamper proof lock, like spiritually inside of it
Speaker 4: to where if you try to misuse it or abuse
Speaker 4: it for something very negative and it backfires on you.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: I like that. That's like the rule of three in Wika, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't mess with Buddhist magic.
Speaker 2: That's just the rule of law. Well, we have so
Speaker 2: much more to talk about, Sadu Da.
Speaker 1: I just can't believe were already over almost to an
Speaker 1: hour in this interview.
Speaker 2: I cannot thank you enough for.
Speaker 1: Coming on and fighting all the the gremlins and the
Speaker 1: for the casual listener. This is not the first or
Speaker 1: the second time that we've tried doing this recording. We
Speaker 1: actually last time we tried doing this it was catastrophic.
Speaker 1: We lost the files because for some reason something didn't
Speaker 1: want us to get this stuff across. So we're trying
Speaker 1: different platforms just to get this messaging out because I
Speaker 1: know Karen and I love talking to you, so.
Speaker 2: We're gonna keep our fingers crossed and we hit and broadcast.
Speaker 1: Everything's been recorded correctly, so do dot thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming on the show. I think we may
Speaker 1: need to find some time to do part three because
Speaker 1: I don't think we're close.
Speaker 2: To coming to the end of this conversation so much.
Speaker 4: I welcome that. You know, There's God, there's just so
Speaker 4: many things we haven't even really gotten to talk about.
Speaker 4: I know that we intended to the very first time.
Speaker 5: And besides being so informative, you are just we would
Speaker 5: be friends.
Speaker 6: Like you're just this great guy, you know, and just
Speaker 6: so personable and so much fun to talk to you.
Speaker 5: So we, besides the subject matter, really enjoy our talks
Speaker 5: with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel the same way, you know. I just
Speaker 4: I like to smile, have a good time and just live.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: Life is a great thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly how we are as well.
Speaker 1: So once again, thanks for coming on and we'll see
Speaker 1: you again on part three.
Speaker 2: Sounds good, and Karen.
Speaker 1: Before we wrap this up, I wanted to share with
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Speaker 5: Well that's our goal, right, it absolutely is.
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Speaker 2: Well that's all for now.
Speaker 1: We will see you on the next episode of The
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Speaker 2: Until then, take care,