WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:06.280 Magic in all its forms has fascinated people throughout history, 2 00:00:06.679 --> 00:00:09.320 and we touched on topics of magic before even had 3 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:12.039 our next guest on before to speak about this particular 4 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:15.119 brand of magic, only to get derailed by the universe 5 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:17.079 into talking about the peripherals around it. 6 00:00:17.399 --> 00:00:19.199 But the question was never truly answered. 7 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:23.039 Just what is Thai Buddhist magic and what's the correlation 8 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:28.120 between it trauma and psychic abilities. Well, there's no one 9 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:29.600 that I can think of that's better to shed some 10 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:32.679 light on this fascinating topic than our friend the Sadu 11 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:34.920 Dah who's back on the show for the second time. 12 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:37.640 He's gonna shed some light to that side of magic 13 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:39.920 that the Western world just doesn't really get see much of. 14 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:45.560 My name is Will and unlike boulderin Scully believe so 15 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:50.799 we've embarked in a journey of discovery. 16 00:00:51.719 --> 00:01:00.880 Welcome to Skeptic Magicians Classic. You are listening to classic 17 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:09.560 Skeptic Metaphysicians. Welcome to our version of a walkdown memory 18 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:13.640 Lane as we present classics from the Skeptic Metaphysician library, 19 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:29.560 warts and all. Welcome to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. 20 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:32.519 I'm will'mous and if you haven't yet listened to our 21 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:34.480 first interview with the incomparable Sadu Da. 22 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:36.200 I strongly suggest checking that. 23 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:39.079 Out immediately following this one, because we're gonna go in 24 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:40.840 a different direction this summer around, and I know you 25 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:42.599 don't want to miss all the information that our guest 26 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:44.599 has so generously imparted already. 27 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:47.400 Sadda, it's an absolute pleasure to have you on the 28 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:48.359 show once again. 29 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:51.599 Welcome, thanks, love being back here. That's a really good 30 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:52.840 podcast that you got going. 31 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:55.439 Thank you, thank you for the kind words. We are 32 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:57.680 having fun, that's for sure. We're learning a ton and. 33 00:01:57.640 --> 00:01:59.640 The more we learn, the more we realize how much 34 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:02.359 there is to learn. So we're happy to have you 35 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:05.359 on to help us in that arena. I'm just going 36 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:07.760 to get right to it from the get go. What 37 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.280 is exactly Thai Buddhist magic. 38 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:15.960 What makes Thai Buddhist magic such a fascinating exploration of 39 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:19.960 magic compared to like ceremonial magic and pagan practices and 40 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.879 all these other culture's versions of magic that we see 41 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:26.319 all over the world, is you have a combination of animism, 42 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:30.240 so shamanistic type traditions the old religion as they say, 43 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:35.240 mixed with Buddhism, and it blended together in the fourteenth 44 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:40.319 century when Buddhism was essentially converting all of Old Siam, 45 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:44.360 which now we call Thailand, and you have these traditions 46 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.879 that were very old that no matter how much you tried, 47 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:50.960 you just couldn't stamp out. And so it blended in 48 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:54.960 with the lore and the stories and the practices and 49 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:58.680 everything that we know about Theerravada Buddhism today, which is 50 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:01.639 Thai Buddhism. That's what makes it so unique. 51 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:05.560 Now, when you think of Thai Buddhist monks, you don't 52 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:08.719 necessarily think of magic, right, you think of the chants 53 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:11.000 and the meditations and all that kind of stuff. But 54 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:15.319 you and Karen and I have had conversations before where 55 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:20.319 we've gone into some in depth examples of how Buddhist 56 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:25.319 monks in Thailand actually use these energetic and animistic practices 57 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:28.240 to make things happen. We'll get into that a little 58 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:31.759 bit later because some of those specifics were mind. 59 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:32.919 Blowing when we first talked about it. 60 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.680 But to get a little bit more about you, you 61 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:39.599 are a student of Theraveda lineage under Master Pong Sak. 62 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:43.039 It's not right, yep, you've had years of experience and 63 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.439 training with inner door secrets of Thai Buddhist magic. You 64 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:49.719 became a Mopi in the Theraveda tradition, and then you 65 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.560 studied under Rimpochet and lamas from the Bunpo Tibetan lineage, 66 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.560 and you became a lama right through initiation. 67 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:58.960 You even became a high priest in a Wickan coven. 68 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.319 You studied under Jeffrey Duel and Nourse magic, you became 69 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:07.120 a master hypnotist. You are so multifaceted, you were familiar 70 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:10.199 with so many types of magic. Why did you select 71 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:11.960 Thai Buddhist magic to follow? 72 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:12.439 You know? 73 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:17.040 For me, it's the one that I was never able 74 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:22.360 to table. I had so much fun learning different Wiccan 75 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:25.399 traditions and practices, and I still do blend and use 76 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:27.560 some of that to this day in the things I 77 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:30.680 do now. But I just kind of reached a certain 78 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:34.639 point with quite a few traditions where this was nice, 79 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:37.439 this was fun. I explored, I learned things, I got 80 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:41.360 what I needed from it. With Thai Buddhist magic, I 81 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:43.560 have not hit that cap. I have not hit that limit. 82 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.959 There's still so much I'm still fascinated by. There's so 83 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.160 much that I'm still learning. There's so much that I 84 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:54.680 have a deep passion. I cannot see leaving with that 85 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:56.439 specific field of study. 86 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:59.720 Well, before we get really really into it, I do 87 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:00.480 have a question. 88 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:02.759 As Weill was talking about all the things you've studied 89 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:05.160 in the different and I don't know titles you've obtained. 90 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:07.360 I have not heard of a mofi? What is that? 91 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:16.120 So a mofi is a Thai tradition of shaman, so mopi, mofi, mofe. 92 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.000 So this you'll notice that there's a lot of words, 93 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:23.240 like in the Thai traditions that there's like how many 94 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:26.000 ways do you want to say this? A gan ajan? 95 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:31.680 Like yeah, So a mofi is simply the terminology for 96 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:33.079 a Thai shaman. 97 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:35.959 Okay, I'm looking at you now, And if you're only 98 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.040 listening to the show, you're only getting half of the picture. 99 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:40.160 So you should definitely check out our YouTube channel to 100 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:43.519 see what the Sadu Da actually looks like and how 101 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.879 he expresses himself because he has a lot of he 102 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:50.680 did a whole Vana white kind of da, So he's 103 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:53.839 very expressive his his image, his look, the way he 104 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:58.279 speaks really shares a lot of his knowledge, even without 105 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:01.319 using the words. But I'm looking at you now and 106 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:02.600 you don't look. 107 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:07.079 Thai to me. So how did you stumble on this modality? 108 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:07.680 Wow? 109 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:08.639 What called you to it? 110 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.959 Well, you are correct, I'm not Thai. I am African 111 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:17.680 and Mexican, so pretty far from being Thie. But you know, 112 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.360 I stumbled on it when I first met Master of 113 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:23.199 NFL Pact, where then introduced me to Master Punk Socks. 114 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:26.240 Those were my two main masters in the Theravada tradition, 115 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:32.040 and it was kind of this weird turning point in 116 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.439 my life. I grew up with a lot of gang violence, 117 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:39.279 drug addiction, things of that nature at a very rocky childhood. 118 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:43.839 And when I met Master Thanafol for the very first time, 119 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:48.680 it was the first, i'd say experience that I could 120 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:52.360 really think of where I met somebody who wasn't scheming, 121 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.040 trying to get one over on me or wanted something 122 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.439 from me. And that alone was really what intrigued me 123 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:01.199 the most. Was there there was such thing as pure 124 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:04.240 people in this world. Not saying that they only exist 125 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:08.120 in Buddhism, right, but I'm saying within my experience, my background, 126 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:11.040 where I came from to that point in my life, 127 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:12.959 this is the first time I met anybody like this, 128 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:15.879 So that's kind of ultimately what got me to even 129 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:16.839 go down that path. 130 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:19.079 What made you trust him and know that he wasn't 131 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:21.639 pulling something out of on you like the other people before. 132 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:25.279 You know how they say, always trust your gut. I 133 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:29.160 had that strong feeling that if I followed this man, 134 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:34.319 if I listened to this man, that I would be safe, 135 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:37.680 that I would be okay, and that I would gain 136 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:41.720 much more than I could possibly ever imagine. And that 137 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:44.079 still stands to be true to this day. 138 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.839 And that really stems a lot from the reaction that 139 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.480 he had to you, right, because when the story that 140 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:52.480 you shared with us off camera, it was astounding where 141 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:55.079 you have a certain look to you, and you mentioned 142 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:57.560 you were involved with gang violence and things like that, 143 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.720 where how you grew up was a little rougher than 144 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:02.399 a lot of the people that might be listening to 145 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:06.680 the show. But you went into the temple and where 146 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:10.120 you expected these people to be afraid of you because 147 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:11.600 of the way you looked and things like that, he 148 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:13.319 actually reached out right and. 149 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.800 There were people afraid of me. And it's just you know, 150 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:21.399 I'm heavily tattooed and long, crazy hair, you know, So 151 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:23.360 I go, I go to the temple just to like 152 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:26.199 check this place out. I wasn't even seeking anything. It 153 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.759 was more of you know, I grew up in Colleen, Texas. 154 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:34.039 If anybody knows anything about Colleen, it is drive right 155 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:37.159 through it. 156 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:41.399 Yeah, you know anything about that town in Texas is 157 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:43.080 that you don't want to know anything about that town in. 158 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:48.480 Texas exactly exactly. And so like out in the county, 159 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:51.360 you know where it was this watt and which is 160 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:53.799 the name of a temple, is called a wat and 161 00:08:53.840 --> 00:09:03.080 so when I want a watt, w a t oh. Yeah. 162 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.720 And I go there and I'm just looking around. There's 163 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:09.279 beautiful sculptures. There's all this cool stuff that I have 164 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:11.799 no experience with. I don't know what a son deshbra 165 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:14.600 is at that point. That's like the image of a Buddha, 166 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:18.240 like stacked, you know. I'll show you an example later. 167 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.600 But it's a specific type of amul, and there are 168 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:23.120 larger styles of it. So I'm seeing all these weird 169 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:25.440 sites and things I've never seen before. And I always 170 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:27.759 have loved art to some degree, and I thought this 171 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:30.600 was just a really cool scenery. And these people just 172 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:33.759 kind of like whispering and like walking around me like 173 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.039 with these like judgment looks on. And then this monk 174 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.120 comes up to me and he starts explaining something to 175 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:44.559 me about you know, the scenery and telling me stories 176 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.879 and just very casually like it's nothing and I'm intrigued 177 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:50.919 by it. And one of the things you'll notice in 178 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.559 you know, Thai culture is that monks are like the 179 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:01.120 Western equivalent of celebrities, Like they are very very popular. 180 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:02.720 If you see one out and about, you want to 181 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:04.799 you want to talk to him, you want that FaceTime, 182 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:07.240 they want a picture with them, like like they're they're 183 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:11.759 they're Thailand's celebrities, and they they kind of like this 184 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.360 group of people had started to see me talking and 185 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:16.879 having all this face time with Master Thantopol and so 186 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:19.279 they come over and Master Thanifal is dismissive to them 187 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:22.240 right away. He's like, no, no, you you come to us, 188 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:24.519 like these people like went behind my back and like 189 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:26.919 went went to the monks. And we're saying, like there's 190 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:30.240 a scary looking man like skulking around the temple and 191 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:32.919 he's got tattoos and like you know, he might steal 192 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:36.320 something and he looks dangerous and you know, Master Thanofol, 193 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:38.320 rather than like, you know, come over and and call 194 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:41.240 me out or immediately be on guard, he just you know, 195 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:42.919 took the time to actually get to know me and 196 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:46.000 talk to me. And uh, he tells them, you know, 197 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.360 I'm talking to this man who you thought was like, 198 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.759 you know, scary, and and you were judging him for 199 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:53.159 his tattoos and the way he looks, and he's a 200 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:55.799 perfectly fine young man. There's nothing wrong with this young man. 201 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:59.080 And you know, because you were judging and because you 202 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:00.759 wanted to act this way, you go and you talk 203 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:02.799 to the other monks. I'm talking to this young man 204 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:04.960 right now. And so like that was how me and 205 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:06.759 Estra Thanafol became friends. 206 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:10.279 So then he impressed you, which I can completely understand. 207 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:13.480 But then what made you say I want to continue 208 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:15.919 down this path. Did they open up their secrets to 209 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:19.320 you right away or did you have an initiation period? 210 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:20.200 How does that work? 211 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.000 So there was a little bit of an initiation period, 212 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:26.480 but it didn't take place until after I had kind 213 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:29.720 of come back. There was the opening of that door, 214 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.720 right So I met Master Thanafol, I moved, I made 215 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:37.639 new acquaintances, I got myself involved in the very first 216 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:40.320 paranormal case I ever went on. I think I might 217 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:42.360 have talked about this a little bit on your show, 218 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:44.679 but I've told like the whole story before, So like 219 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:47.919 you know this, that and the other. A woman got possessed. 220 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:49.759 I found myself in the middle of it. She was 221 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:58.200 like crawling on the wall. Crazy stuff happened. Yeah, it's 222 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:03.080 such a long story, but yeah, I met you know, 223 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:06.759 Master Amun at that point, and that was when I 224 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.759 started to learn about magic and things of that nature. 225 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:11.559 And then when I went back, that was when I 226 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:14.200 met Charlita who was the coven mother, and I started 227 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:16.600 studying Wika, and so I was like learning these two 228 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.279 different forms of magic, and under Master Amun there was 229 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:21.879 a lot of other stuff he was teaching me at 230 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:25.440 the same time too, like ceremonial magic. He was even 231 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:28.399 teaching me like Chiekong and things of that nature. Like 232 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.240 I became like his apprentice right away because he saw 233 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.200 something in me with the way I handled myself on 234 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:36.720 that first paranormal case. And then once I had like 235 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:40.240 come back and I'd met Master Thanaphil again, that was 236 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:43.320 like he noticed something different in me, and so at 237 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.440 that point he explained that he wanted to teach me 238 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:49.440 some things, and so for that to take place, I 239 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:54.639 had to one go through this like weird period of 240 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.759 like silence, and I had to do like vipasna practices. 241 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:02.879 I had to do these different breathing meditations, these walking meditations. 242 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:04.919 And at first it was kind of like I wasn't 243 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.840 learning anything. It was more of just like following him 244 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.039 around like a lost puppy, and he would just like 245 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:13.200 you know, instruct and say things and explain and then 246 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:17.480 have me do stuff. But then shortly afterwards he would 247 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.440 just very casually show me something, you know, like a 248 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:22.960 like a like a takrute, which is like a roll 249 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:26.679 piece of like you know, copper foil with like comb 250 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:30.440 script or like polyspell work on it. And then he 251 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.679 would he would explain like how with each you know, 252 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.279 symbol and figure how you point on his part as 253 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.600 you're driving driving what's called like a my crew like 254 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:44.080 a Buddhist wan across it, and you're saying like not motatsa, 255 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.600 and like you're you're saying each syllable of this u 256 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:52.320 kata muntra and you're you're forming the symbol with the 257 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:55.360 entire muntra at each point where it turns. And then 258 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:58.240 he's like breaking this down into a complex science and 259 00:13:58.279 --> 00:13:58.600 I was. 260 00:13:58.559 --> 00:13:59.840 Like, wow, this is so cool. 261 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:01.919 What are we even doing? And then and then he 262 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:03.799 explains to me once we make when he's like, so, 263 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:05.440 now you know how to make the crew, He's like 264 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.639 this one for protection. This one helped stop bad dangers. 265 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:10.639 And he explains that to me. And then he was 266 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:12.879 like telling me, you know, never unroll it to crup 267 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:15.879 because it releases the power from it and it like 268 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:18.639 will send back like the bad karmas that it chased 269 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:21.399 away and the energies and things of that nature back 270 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:24.279 onto you. And so like yeah, so he was like 271 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.440 explaining things in a way that not only gave me 272 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.759 a deep and vast amount of knowledge on something that 273 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:34.480 I already didn't know anything about to begin with. But 274 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.799 there were people who collect accruds and there, and they're 275 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:40.360 familiar with ti ambulance and things like this, and they 276 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:42.480 don't even know about that stuff because that's like the 277 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:44.919 inner door practice of it, Like that's how to make it. 278 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.240 You know, you can learn a lot about cars, right, 279 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:51.120 but that's different than knowing how to manufacture and build 280 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:51.440 a car. 281 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:52.120 Right. 282 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:55.039 So it was kind of the same thing, and before 283 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.600 I realized it, I was being I was being invited 284 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:00.919 to all kinds of different things. And some of the 285 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.440 journeys that me and Master Thanofol went on were kind 286 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:10.519 of like pilgrimages that I don't necessarily talk about because 287 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:12.840 there's a certain level of secrecy was in some of 288 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:15.159 the traditions, sure, and some of the ways that you're 289 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:17.480 taught things and to hold the purity of the lineage, 290 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:21.039 those things just can't be made public. But they changed 291 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:25.759 my life forever and what I thought was possible. And 292 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.320 I guess one of one of the wildest things that 293 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:33.279 I experienced with Master Thnofol was like having these profound 294 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:37.679 experiences that defied logic, that defied reason, and yet he 295 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:39.960 could explain them, you know, like I told you the 296 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:42.000 story about the monk with the water coming out of 297 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.480 the hands and things like that, you know, and it's 298 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:50.240 like like it defies logic, but then you're explained through 299 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:53.679 this canon of knowledge and how these practices are formed 300 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:56.759 in the way that's attained and understanding, like you know, 301 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:00.519 these complex which these magical systems of practice that come 302 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:04.519 from you know, the Theravada traditions, and you're like, okay, 303 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:06.840 well that does make sense. But at first, it's just 304 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:09.200 magic until you explain it in a scientific way. 305 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.200 You're kind of speaking my language in a way. We're 306 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:14.320 talking a lot about taie Buddhist magic, and we're talking 307 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:16.200 about ceremonial magic and all kinds. 308 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.240 Of different magic. But that's magic with a c K. 309 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:22.039 But there is there's got to be a way to 310 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.720 explain what some of these things are doing or is 311 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:31.519 it truly just these magical shadow figures that that make 312 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:32.679 shit happen. 313 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.120 Oh, you're gonna love this. You're gonna love this. So 314 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:43.559 I have this, let's see article that I wrote, and 315 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:46.879 I'll just give you like the cliff notes of it. 316 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:51.440 And this is an explanation that you're looking for. Okay, 317 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.000 this is basically what you're What you're asking about is like, 318 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:58.639 how can we bring the science to magic? So this 319 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:07.640 one titled scientific Foundations of Magic. And many people often 320 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.000 wonder where magic ends and science begins and vice versa. Right, 321 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:14.039 the two are not exclusively separate. Many a time if 322 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:16.359 someone made the comment that magic is just a technology 323 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:20.759 we don't fully understand yet. So understanding that little to bit, 324 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:24.160 let's get straight into it. So there's a couple experiments 325 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:27.680 that we want to be aware of. One. Vladimir Proponent 326 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:33.079 is the owner of Nanophotonics Biosciences, Inc. He's also a 327 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:37.119 highly respected quantum physicist, known worldwide for his contributions and 328 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:40.680 quantum biology. He has established a vast amount of research 329 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:44.079 into the nonlinear dynamics of DNA and the interactions of 330 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:47.920 weak electromagnetic fields with biological systems. Okay, so not magic 331 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:53.920 science science, quantum mechanics. Yes. He conducted an experiment in 332 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:57.000 the early nineties and demonstrated human DNA can affect the 333 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:59.839 photons around it. This means that human DNA can have 334 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.640 effect light particles E equals mc squared, The famous equation 335 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.559 that Einstein discovered tells us, in combination with Poponent's research, 336 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.359 that all matter is composed of light and can be 337 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:14.519 manipulated by other light particles. In his experiment, Poponent had 338 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:16.400 a glass tube with all the air removed to create 339 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:19.319 a vacuum, and all that remained were photons light particles, 340 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:21.400 and then he went on to measure the distribution of 341 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:24.279 the photon particles in the tube while in a vacuum state. 342 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:28.799 Poponent validated the distribution of the photon particles was entirely random. 343 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:32.880 He then introduced human DNA inside the tube, only this time, 344 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:35.440 when the photons were measured, there was a pattern present, 345 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:38.839 meaning the photons were aligning and positioning according to the 346 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:42.079 presence of human DNA. They actually aligned along the axis 347 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:45.119 of the DNA. This would indicate in some way that 348 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:47.599 the photons had to have been aware of the introduction 349 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:50.680 of the human DNA. Removing the DNA from the tube 350 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:55.000 presented interesting results as well. The photons didn't return to 351 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:58.079 behaving randomly, that behaved as if the DNA was still 352 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:01.519 present in the tube. The photons maintained the aligned structure 353 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:03.960 of the DNA, which means the DNA must have left 354 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:07.839 an energetic imprint once removed. This phantom DNA energy field 355 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:10.880 was continually observed and kept the photons in place for 356 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:13.680 a month. Interesting when you think about lunar cycles and etc. 357 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:18.519 But that's for another day. So what does this mean though? Right? Like, Okay, 358 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:20.839 so you just told us about this cool science experiment, 359 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:23.119 but like, where's the magic? I don't understand the magic 360 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:28.640 Sadu da, But wait, there's more. When we talk about 361 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:33.160 chi prana mana energy and the Chakras and meridians. We're 362 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.119 talking about a complex energy body that fuels the physical body. 363 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.559 The result of proponents experiment tells us that we have 364 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:44.119 an energy body capable of existing and operating outside of 365 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:46.920 the limits of physical containment. When the human DNA was 366 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:50.240 removed in the experiment, the photons remained in communication with 367 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:53.079 the DNA. This means physical matter can be absent and 368 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:56.599 a bio energetic connection can still be maintained because it's 369 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.400 working with the greater energy field with which all matter 370 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:03.359 is connected to. Using this knowledge, we can explain residual hauntings, 371 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:05.680 the imprint of energy on a land that turns sour, 372 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:08.200 holy spots all over the world, and why some people 373 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:10.319 can sense a presence without being able to see it. 374 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:13.680 Ghosts are even worth mentioning here. Ghosts are composed of energy, 375 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:16.279 and that is why they can interact with energy fields 376 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:19.440 of other living beings and physical matter. They are manipulating 377 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:23.079 the photons within a specified field to create a specific effect, 378 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:26.480 which seems otherworldly, but they are merely following the laws 379 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.359 of physics and the principles of energetic exchange. If enough 380 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.599 energy is condensed, those photons become more visible, and this 381 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:37.160 explains why we can see manifestations of ghosts sometimes. We 382 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:39.559 can also note that phantom DNA staying in place for 383 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:42.240 a month lines up with that monthly lunar cycle I 384 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:44.359 was talking about. And this is how in some magical 385 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:48.119 practices of amulet and talisman crafting, energies are consecrated and 386 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:50.920 laid on top of one another to induce a specific effect, 387 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:54.680 which is just the amulet or talisman resonating with specific 388 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:57.920 or wider fields of influence to achieve the determined effect 389 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:01.200 for the person holding or within reach the harmonized energies, 390 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:04.839 who then joins their energetic field to this constructed field 391 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:08.920 of energy. It's not crazy magic, it's literally science. 392 00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:12.079 So what you're saying is that you don't practice Thai 393 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:15.680 Buddhist magic. You practice tie Buddhist quantum mechanics. 394 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:23.000 Yeah. Yeah, but that tongue, it doesn't sound as cool. 395 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:26.319 That's true, like edgy and boring kind of. 396 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:27.039 I agree. 397 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:29.759 Now, last time you were here, we talked about some 398 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:34.400 of the some of the really interesting esoteric things that 399 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:39.680 Thai Buddhist monks use for the practice babies. 400 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:45.519 Yeah, yes, all that stuff, all that the fat that, 401 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.079