WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:01.520 Next on the drive. 2 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:05.480 Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your NBA daily assists. 3 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:15.359 Fan McMahon Vanmen. That is duding home Land, Tectis Blood 4 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:24.839 as tickets, Muddy and Man. Fan McMahon, Vanman the Man. 5 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:36.479 All right, we're live today. Arup Blood Services ninety seven 6 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:40.159 eighty six out five hundred West in Sandy. Come on, 7 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:42.679 buy to donate blood. They're the sole provider for the 8 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:45.719 University of Utah in the Huntsman Cancer Center. And you 9 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:49.679 get megaplex Megaplex movie passes, and then you're also qualified 10 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:52.880 to win tickets for Utah BYU football coming up on 11 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:55.799 Saturday night. We'll get back to little college and pro 12 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:58.960 football in a moment. But let's do some NBA because 13 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.600 the Utah Jazz on a tear Jazz got to win 14 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:07.599 last night. So first win, Baby steps. Tim McMahon Tuesday Afternoon, Tim, 15 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:08.799 Happy Tuesday, Buddy, How are. 16 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:11.280 We doing, Lody Partner, how are you? 17 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.519 We're good, We're good. And look, I mean, this is 18 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:19.480 going to be a difficult year for the fans. It's 19 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.519 going to be a difficult year for our conversations because 20 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:25.519 we could be very reductive and say they finally have 21 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:28.239 a plan that plan is to lose all year. So 22 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:31.280 let's just start big picture, because I feel like the 23 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:33.519 best time to do this would have been two years ago, 24 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:36.400 but the second best time is now. It does feel 25 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.959 like they're leaning into a full rebuild. So from an 26 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:41.200 overall standpoint, where are you at with the Jazz right now? 27 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:44.079 Well, I can just tell you it's been a difficult 28 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:46.879 year for our conversations every year that we've been hap 29 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:52.200 toche Well said, Look, the Jazz are just as good 30 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:54.599 as the Milwaukee Bucks. They're just as good as the 31 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:56.879 Philadelphia seventy six ers. I don't know why you want 32 00:01:56.879 --> 00:01:59.439 to put this kind of spin on things. They are 33 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:01.400 just as good as two teams that were expected to 34 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:04.760 be contenders of the Eastern Conference. So, you know, let's 35 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:08.240 pump a little sunshine here. In all seriousness, I do 36 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:12.360 agree with you, like, hey, the rebuild was you know, 37 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:13.879 there were two good for their own good for the 38 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.080 first fifty plus games. For the last couple of years, 39 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.879 you know, we understand that. Again, we've talked before. I 40 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.199 do think there was some value that first year of 41 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:26.360 will Hardy's ten you were in allowing himself to kind 42 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:28.479 of prove and establish that he is a bona fide 43 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.520 head coach. Is interesting because I think what you're seeing 44 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:35.759 in Brooklyn might be something pretty similar. And I would 45 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:37.879 say there should be even more than seeing Brooklyn the 46 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:41.280 bottom out this year given their take situation. Still own 47 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:46.120 a swap to Houston a couple of drafts from now. 48 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:50.680 But this is to get the kind of talent that 49 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:52.759 it's going to take for the Jazz to really turn 50 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:56.479 this thing around. It's going to take a really rough 51 00:02:56.639 --> 00:03:00.759 year or two, and you know certain this is going 52 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:04.599 to be one of those. Now, having said that, you 53 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:06.080 don't want to You don't want to be in a 54 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.919 situation where you know you're opening this season with a 55 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:11.319 double figure losing streets. You don't want to double figure 56 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:14.000 losing streets. You know, you do want to be able 57 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.520 to sprinkle and wins just because you don't want just 58 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:21.120 to be some kind of extraordinarily, for lack of a 59 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:25.919 better word, depressing situation. You do want the development of 60 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:29.719 the young guys to occasionally be rewarded. And you know 61 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:34.360 last night was certainly an example. Now, although you know 62 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:37.000 John Collins might have been the best player on the floor. 63 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:40.039 Yes, and you know I actually wanted to talk to 64 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.240 you about some of these dynamics here, because you know, 65 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.120 there are people that are wondering whether or not the 66 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:48.639 Jazz are going to make any moves, and if they 67 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:50.879 do make moves, it won't be to get better this year. 68 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:53.240 And John Collins might be like the perfect guy to 69 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:55.719 have on the roster because you have to pay somebody 70 00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:59.080 and he can give you big minutes and he's making 71 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:02.479 twenty six points five mil and he's not very good 72 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:06.439 most of the time. But whether it's Collins or Sexton 73 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:11.400 or Clarkson or any of these vets outside of Patty Mills, Okay, 74 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:13.520 they're not moving Patty Mills. But do you do you 75 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:15.840 think there's any value with the vets on the Jazz 76 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:19.560 roster and you anticipate them maybe making any movement or 77 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:21.800 is this kind of like the perfect type of veteran 78 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:23.800 group to have on a team that's really not serious 79 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:24.759 about winning right now? 80 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:27.920 Well, I mean, look, they're going to be listening to offers, 81 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:32.360 and certainly that stuff's not really intense right now. Obviously 82 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:36.079 it picks up the close you get to the trade deadline. 83 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:38.079 You know, the one thing I can tell you is 84 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:42.560 they're not going to incentimize anything and Collins is probably 85 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:44.800 tough pregnant for them all. He still I believe he 86 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:46.720 still has another year left in that contract. 87 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.800 Because of that, it is a player options him. 88 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:55.000 I'm gonna go ahead, and I'm not breaking news here, 89 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:58.959 but I'm going to suggest the strong possibility that that 90 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:00.360 player option will be picked up. 91 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:01.399 So probably correctly. 92 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:03.879 But you know, like, hey, I could see a guy 93 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:08.600 like certain Sexton clarkson teams that are looking for you know, 94 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:11.439 scoring punch off the bench. Good teams come you know, 95 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:14.519 around the time before the tread deadline. I could see 96 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:16.600 those be being a couple of guys who might have 97 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:18.160 some interest in the market. Like I said, the Jazz 98 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:24.160 will absolutely be listening, you know, probably even shopping those 99 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:28.519 guys as that time comes. But you know, it's not 100 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:31.759 like they are in the way right now. And Collins, unfortunately, 101 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.680 they do kind of need his minutes. And the plan 102 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:38.720 coming into the season was he was going to basically 103 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.240 be the backup center. And unfortunately Taylor Hendrix, who is 104 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.000 going to play a lot of minutes, is not going 105 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:48.480 to play anymore this season. You know, lowd marketing is 106 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:51.319 not a long term thing. But he's out right now. 107 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:53.879 So Collins played a lot of power forward, and I 108 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:58.360 would say Colin's playing well at power forward. It doesn't 109 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:01.759 hurt the possibility that he might be moved for the deadline. 110 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.959 I'm just I'm I don't think it's likely, just because 111 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:05.959 of the contract them. 112 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:08.079 We'll get back to the Jazz because I want to 113 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.040 ask you about Taylor, but we have some breaking news 114 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:12.040 that I'll get your reaction to tim in real time. 115 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.519 Joel Mbid has been suspended for three games by the NBA. 116 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:18.600 He's gonna cost him just over a million bucks. The 117 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.560 suspension will start with the first game that mb can play. 118 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:23.920 This is according to a tweet I'm seeing from Bobby Martz. 119 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.560 Obviously it's the situation with the reporter in the locker room. 120 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:31.920 So what's your take the NBA suspending Embid for three games. 121 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:36.160 Yeah, look, the NBA had to issue a suspension. I'll 122 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:40.560 be honest with you. I am surprised that it's three games. 123 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.319 I wasn't obviously in the locker room, you know, But 124 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.879 like you have to sit the precedent. The players, no 125 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:50.120 matter how up said they are, can't put their hands 126 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:54.000 on reporters. But I don't think this was some extremely 127 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:58.839 violent situation. And you know, frankly, I can empathize with 128 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.720 Embiid as far as why he was so upset. Uh. 129 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.240 You know, this was one of those situations where nobody 130 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:09.360 was right. You know, the columnist wrote something that was 131 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:12.879 you know, I understand why I Embeid felt like it 132 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:16.639 was a completely unnecessary and out of bounds personal shot. 133 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.040 You know, to bring up if you're going to be 134 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:22.959 criticizing a player, you know, to bring up family, especially 135 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:27.120 a deceased younger brother his young son. You know that's 136 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:31.680 that's poor taste. But you know, the old the two 137 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.040 wrongs they'll make the right thing certainly applies here. I 138 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:37.839 thought one game would have set a press in and 139 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:41.800 gotten the message across. I thought three games is pretty strong, 140 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.399 but uh, you know that's what the league officer came 141 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:45.800 down on. 142 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.519 So moving back over to the jazz and as you referenced, 143 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:53.399 just the just the horrifically sad scene that you and 144 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:55.720 I talked about last time you joined us real quick 145 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.079 with Taylor going down for the year. Uh so I 146 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:00.439 already asked you about that, and there really is any 147 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:03.319 new information. You just sort gutted for the kid, But 148 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:05.600 I was curious to see what will would do with 149 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:09.480 essentially twenty eight to thirty minutes at his disposal, and 150 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:12.839 he has gone to Cody Williams and Kyle Philipowski. He's 151 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:16.639 not upping. We're seeing a little bit more you banks time, 152 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:18.639 but in the starting lineup and the guys that are 153 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:20.720 playing the majority of the big minutes, it's Cody Williams, 154 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.360 it's Kyle Philipowski. You reference marketing, you know, kind of 155 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.680 a day to day thing. I just anticipate that we're 156 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:28.399 going to deal with that all year long because I 157 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.879 believed him this is all intentional. Obviously you were tongue 158 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:36.159 in cheek about the bad starts from Milwaukee and Philadelphia. 159 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:40.440 But do you believe that now the plan is very 160 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:44.159 very clearly in place where it is. And look NBA 161 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:47.360 front offices. They'll sometimes say things and you get a 162 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:49.120 little hint like they're not going to say we're trying 163 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:50.759 to lose. They're going to say we're trying to develop 164 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:54.240 young players. So do you believe the losing is by design? 165 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:54.799 This year? 166 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:00.240 I believe that the Jazz have recognized that floating around 167 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:03.360 the ninth or tenth picking the lottery is not a 168 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:06.080 way for them to really turn this thing around, so 169 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:09.120 you know it, call it what you want, you know, 170 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:12.039 real hard. He is not out there coaching to lose games, 171 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:15.519 but with this roster he can coach his butt off 172 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:17.279 and they're not gonna win a lot of games. I mean, 173 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:20.919 just look around the Western Conference. You know, that's just 174 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:22.519 the way it is. I mean, they're not going to 175 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:27.039 win thirty something games with this roster. And you know, 176 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:29.440 it's also likely that one of their better players will 177 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:33.039 probably be gone before the trade deadline obviously, which just 178 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:37.279 happened the last couple of years as well. So you know, 179 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:40.519 is it tanking? Is it losing by design? Is it 180 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:45.879 you know, just being in a situation Again? My thing 181 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:49.720 is this. I don't necessarily there was definitely a direction 182 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:53.399 chosen here, but if they chose to try to be 183 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:59.080 as competitive as possible last summer, like what moves would 184 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:01.519 what moves would they have made? Right? You know what 185 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:04.480 I mean? Like, you know, the Paul George thing was 186 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:06.919 a pipe drain that honestly never made any sense to me. 187 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:11.639 I think this is a combination of choosing a direction, 188 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:16.000 you know, really committing to the full blown rebuild and 189 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:18.600 not kind of the half measures of the of the 190 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:21.519 last couple of years, and also just the reality of 191 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:25.159 the situation kind of smacking me in the face. 192 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:29.600 Yeah no, well said so the last time that it's 193 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:33.799 been this bad. And look, although there's not a championship 194 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:36.240 banner hanging in the Delta Center, we are a spoiled 195 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:38.799 market because we've had front offices who have been really 196 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:43.559 smart at making measured decisions, Scott Laden, Kevin O'Connor, Dennis Lindsay. 197 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:47.080 And so when Dennis took over, he moved on from 198 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.720 Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap. I mean, Millsap's still a 199 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:51.600 jazz legend and Al played here for a couple of 200 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:55.600 years and played well. So twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen jazz 201 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:58.120 basketball is when they started. It was like one in thirteen, 202 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.720 and the young players on the rass Trey Burke rookie, 203 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:07.279 Alec Burke's second year, Derek Favors third year, Enniscanter second year, 204 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:10.799 Rudy Gobert rookie, Gordon Hayward third year, and I'll just 205 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:14.480 stop there because those are kind of the Cody Williams 206 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:20.519 Keyante Philipowski hopefully eventually Taylor, Bryce sen Saba group. And 207 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.440 then which one of those players popped. Obviously, Gobert did, 208 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:29.279 Hayward did, Favors did, Alec kind of did, Trey never did. 209 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:32.080 So they went like four for six, we'll call it. So, 210 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:35.480 out of these young players, who do you think has 211 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:38.159 the best chance of popping the way Hayward and Gobert, 212 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:41.080 those guys did. That could be around the next time. 213 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:42.679 The Jazz are actually really good. 214 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.440 Well, you didn't mention Walker Kest in the young group? 215 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:48.840 Yes, yes, and. 216 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:52.159 You know the Jazz do include him in that group. 217 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.120 You know, I think he's twenty three years old, obviously 218 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.759 a third year guy. He's also the guy who I 219 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:00.399 think has shown the most and has the you know, 220 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:04.320 I had the best odds of becoming a you know, 221 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:07.000 I don't know, foundational piece. Might be a little strong, 222 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:08.759 but maybe not. I think he's going to be a 223 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:11.840 really good, you know, starting big in the NBA. Is 224 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:16.240 certainly a defensive banker. You know, we've talked about, Hey, 225 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:18.799 the guy did not build on a strong rookie year. 226 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.639 You know, last year, could argue he regressed a little bit. 227 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:24.440 Certainly he didn't take strides forward. But the way he 228 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:26.639 responded to that was by working his butt off. I 229 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:29.399 think he you know, feels a lot better physically. I 230 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:32.639 think his confidence is much higher, you know. I know, 231 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:35.720 Will and the coach and Seffer are extremely happy with 232 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:38.000 the work that he's done going back to the end 233 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:41.080 of last season. And I think, you know, although they're 234 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:45.159 not winning games, you know, I think he's played well 235 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.200 this season. And then honestly, the rest of the guys, 236 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:52.080 like I don't know, you know, I mean, Kanty George 237 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:54.799 is in the starting line last night, played really well. 238 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:56.840 It's been a pretty rough go for him so far 239 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:01.240 this season. Before that, I am skeptical on him being 240 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:03.679 a full time point guard. Maybe he ends up being 241 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.879 a you know, a Jordan Clarkson type of a bench score. 242 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:11.600 We'll see. But look, this year, even next year, a 243 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.399 lot of this is going to be about figuring out 244 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.120 which one, you know, which ones of these guys are 245 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:19.000 potentially part of the long term future, and which one 246 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:21.639 of them aren't going to pan out, because like you said, 247 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:24.159 they're not all going to pan out nobody. You know, 248 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:27.000 if you shoot fifty percent in the drafts, especially these 249 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:29.799 pics that are you know in the teams, you know, 250 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:32.480 some of them have been in the twenties. That's doing 251 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:37.320 pretty well, so you know, player development is also you know, 252 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:40.559 it's figuring out which ones aren't worth continuing to invest in, 253 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.039 and that's going to be part of the process over 254 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:44.120 the next couple of years. 255 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:47.919 For sure, And certainly Hayward favors both third year players 256 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:50.440 on that team, so Walker should be included in the group. 257 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.320 Uh ten points, twelve boards, three blocks. So to me, 258 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:57.639 his start is one of maybe two or three bright spots. 259 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:00.519 And I cannot come on air every day and blow 260 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.000 smoke when this is just going to be a rough season. 261 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:07.440 But you reference Keyante now. The last time tim that 262 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:09.480 Kyante made shots at High Cliff he was a high 263 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:13.080 scorer because he didn't in college. He didn't his rookie year, 264 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:15.840 and he hasn't so far this year. He was really 265 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:18.879 good last night. But essentially we have two and a 266 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:21.440 half years where the splits are like thirty eight percent 267 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:24.879 from the floor in like thirty percent from three He's 268 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:28.039 only twenty. But at what point does that sample size 269 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:31.000 become so big where you're concerned about simply his inability 270 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:34.159 to make shots, As simple as that sounds, I mean, 271 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:34.759 you can. 272 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:36.919 Be concerned about it now, but you're not going to 273 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:40.960 pull the plug on you know, you're not going to 274 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:42.559 pull the plug on him, like you're going to at 275 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:46.519 least see it through this season, you know, I would 276 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:51.240 think in the next season, you know, in fairness to him, 277 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:55.360 he didn't come into college or the NBA with like 278 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:59.519 a physically mature body. I do think he's improved his sazique, 279 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.600 you know, over the summer, you know. And another thing 280 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.879 is he's learning to play point guard in the NBA. 281 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:08.120 Not just how to play point guard in the league, 282 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:10.399 but how to play point guard period, you know, and 283 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:15.360 that's a pretty massive challenge. So I would give him, 284 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.559 you know, it'd be a different situation if he was 285 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:21.080 if he was drafted by a good team. If he's 286 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.840 drafted by a good team, he's probably not getting minutes now. 287 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:27.320 But that's not the situation he's in. So I think 288 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:29.320 you've got to be patient and give him a little 289 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:29.799 bit of grace. 290 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:33.240 Yeah, for sure. And to your point, they're only going 291 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:36.639 to play youngsters, all right. Moving away from the jazz here, 292 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:41.240 let's talk about your take on the latest. Everyone hates 293 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:46.240 Rudy's story, Kristin brown smashes on him, and you know, 294 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:49.840 I have always been a stand up for Rudy guy, 295 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:52.159 just because I saw how great he was in this community. 296 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:53.679 I was over there when he you know, I was 297 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:55.840 working for the Jazz Radio Network when he was with 298 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:58.679 the Jazz But there are some times where you just 299 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.080 kind of ant stand up for him and you start 300 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.679 to make allowance. I still think it's bullying. I still 301 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.120 think it's rude, and I still think he's a good dude. 302 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:09.279 But it seems like this time around, most of the 303 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:12.039 people were not necessarily backing him up, even the ones 304 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:13.759 that typically do. Is that fair? 305 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.279 You know, I didn't think he was honestly that huge 306 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:20.519 of a deal. I was actually at that game. I 307 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:23.519 talked to Rudy afterwards. I talked to Christian Brown afterwards. 308 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:26.960 Neither one of those guys were really a bit too 309 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:29.840 worked up about it. It was a competitive moment. I mean, 310 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:33.360 Christian Brown absolutely dunked the hell out of the ball 311 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.720 and then put a highlight on Rudy's head. There's no 312 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:39.360 question about that. He was amped up. You know, he's 313 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:42.240 kind of flexed and celebrated by you know, stepping into 314 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:45.759 Rudy's space and hollering a little bit. Rudy gave him. 315 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:47.279 I don't know, if you'd call it a club, but 316 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:49.440 it was like a little pass rush, move to Decatur 317 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:53.200 to the neck there, and there was some wolfing, you know, 318 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.159 Russ came in and did Russ type of stuff and 319 00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:00.919 you know, and that was that. But his game, you know, 320 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:03.639 Rudy's like, hey, I get it. He was fired up. 321 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:05.400 He stepped my space and then you know, a whole 322 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:07.960 lot of nothing happened. You know, he said, I actually 323 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:11.359 think he's a really good player and a good kid. 324 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:13.640 And you know Christian Brown, who, by the way, he 325 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:15.480 got Rudy a couple of times last year or too. 326 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.200 I mean, Christian Brown, for all that's going wrong with 327 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:23.799 the Nuggets, he's a pretty promising young player. Deceptively athletic, 328 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:27.960 he might say. But you know, he said, hey, you know, 329 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:32.000 I got so fired up because he's Rudy Gobert is 330 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:34.079 one of the best rim protectors in the league. He said, 331 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.079 the best REMP protector in the league. And you know, 332 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:41.079 his take was, actually he was he regretted his celebration, 333 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:45.039 not because of you know, the disrespect or whatever, but 334 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.160 he's like, dude, I cost my team momentum. They're on 335 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:50.599 an eleven zero run and then they end up blowing 336 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:53.319 a ten point lead, and he said the devil technicals 337 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:57.640 cost his team momentum. So you know, look, anytime Gobert 338 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:01.000 gets dunked on and Matt's attack or it is going 339 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:04.200 to be a thing, right, It's going to go viral. 340 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.640 People are gonna hoot and hohorrah. As far as the 341 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:12.160 celebration and his reaction and all that, neither one of 342 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:15.000 those guys thought it was a real big deal. So 343 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:16.880 I'm not going to be two up at arms back. 344 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:20.440 I will say I didn't think Rudy should have been 345 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:22.000 in the game at that point because I thought he 346 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:24.720 should have got kicked out. It was a flavorant one 347 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:29.880 when he elbowed Joke on the job boy during that review, 348 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:33.079 I thought Rudy was about to head to the locker room. 349 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:36.319 But look, man, I was in the Maddis locker room 350 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:38.799 a couple of nights before that, perfect nice before that, 351 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:41.279 when they played the Wolves, I was in the Nuggets' 352 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.319 locker room. Like it's no secret I wrote the whole 353 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:46.680 thing about this last year. Players around the league do 354 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:51.319 not like Rudy for whatever reason, and that's just, you know, 355 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:53.799 that's just the reality of the situation. I think he's 356 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:59.519 the most disrespected star caliber player in the league. You know, 357 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:01.559 he's not always in the right But I didn't think 358 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:05.079 this was some like major international incident here. I just 359 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:08.640 thought it was a spectacular play that you know, they 360 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:10.599 got a little huffy and puffy afterwards. 361 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:15.480 So I'm asking you about the Timberwolves intentionally and the 362 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:19.160 Calves intentionally because the Jazz draft capital returns begin this 363 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:22.559 season and it doesn't look like I mean, when when 364 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.119 Ruy Hotcha Mura said their scouting report on Julius Randalls 365 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:28.319 that he just stands there on defense and therefore they 366 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:32.160 were just going to backdoor cut, I'm like, Okay, you 367 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:34.519 don't love that fit with Minnesota. Maybe they're not going 368 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:37.119 to be great this year. Mike does look old, But 369 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:39.920 how real is this eight n O start from the 370 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:42.799 Calves with a new coaching staff and a team right 371 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:44.000 now that looks really connected. 372 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:46.400 I mean, I don't think they're going to go eighty 373 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:48.359 two to zero, but how many games do they win? 374 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:52.960 Last year? Correct me? I mean it was right round fifty, 375 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:56.759 and that was with all kinds of health problems. You know, 376 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.759 Darius Garland had a broken john and really ruggle last Sea. 377 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.440 You know, obviously break your dry or johs waershit. There's 378 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:05.599 a bunch of time, there's a bunch of weight to 379 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:08.359 believe they had a rhythm. Donovan had all kinds of 380 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:12.160 knee problems. Uh, you know, they're if they're healthy, they're 381 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:14.400 going to be good. I don't know that they're going 382 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:16.160 to be number one seed in the East good. But 383 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.279 right now, if you told me the Cavs finish the 384 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:22.960 season with fifty five wins, fifty seven wins and then 385 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:25.319 the number two seed in the East, I wouldn't be 386 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:29.519 surprised at all. And I still think Minnesota is the 387 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:32.400 top three team in the Western Conference. They've got some 388 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:37.240 things to figure out defensively, but I like their odds there. 389 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:41.440 And you know, they're happy with Julius Randon. They're especially 390 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:45.319 happy with kind of a dynamic between Randall and uh 391 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:49.519 and and Edwards. And I feel like Randall takes a 392 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:54.079 little bit, you know, he eases the burden on an 393 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:56.519 while also setting them up. You know, Ant's catch and 394 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:59.000 shoot threes are way up. That's a large part because 395 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:01.839 Rangell sets them up. For man, it can take a 396 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:05.720 lot of the uh, you know, the the attacking, initiating, 397 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:11.119 facilitating responsibilities off Hans play and you know, Finn Sho 398 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:13.839 tell you. The hope there is that at can wrestle 399 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:16.200 a little bit on offense instead of taking some possessions 400 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:17.039 off defensively. 401 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:20.039