WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:10.039 Monster House Presents. 2 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:15.599 This episode includes coverage of suicide. Self harm is a 3 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:17.600 serious problem and one of the best things you can 4 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:19.800 do if you're struggling with such thoughts is to reach 5 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:23.359 out and talk to someone. In the United States, the 6 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:26.839 National Suicide Prevention Hotline can be reached by dialing nine 7 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.879 to eight eight. If you're struggling, please seek help. We 8 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:33.000 care about our listeners and want you to be around 9 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:36.359 for many years to hear stories about monsters, science facts, 10 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:37.799 and of course terrible puns. 11 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:39.039 Thanks. 12 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:47.960 It's actually quite unlike anything we've ever seen before. 13 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:53.560 A giant hairy creature park Ape part Mat. 14 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:57.759 In Larkness, a twenty four a mile long bottomless lake 15 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:00.479 in the highlands of Scotland. If a creature, there's the 16 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:15.640 Luckless monster. 17 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:24.760 Monstertall. 18 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.319 Welcome to Monster Talk, the science show about monsters. I'm 19 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:31.480 Blake Smith. 20 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:32.640 And I'm Karen Stoltner. 21 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:35.159 Hey, their listeners. In this episode will be traveling to 22 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:39.280 the remote mountains of Scotland, where, scattered across the landscape 23 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.799 miles from the nearest roads, an affiliated network of rude 24 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:45.760 lodgings provides shelter to the weary traveler need of a 25 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:49.040 roof and fire. They're called Bothy's, and according to Lore, 26 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:52.400 some of the occupants are staying well past their final 27 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:56.120 checkout time. Let's take a quick dive into this Bothy 28 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:03.200 sphere right now on Monstertall. Hey, now, I'm following your 29 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:06.359 advice here. I have not opened up the doc to 30 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:09.000 look at it, so I'm going in cold. This is 31 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:11.000 basically an audio reaction video. 32 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.080 Well, yeah, I think you have a little background knowledge 33 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:20.360 on tonight's topic, today's topic, this week's topic, which is Bothy's. 34 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:22.759 And so we're joined by Matt Baxter as well. 35 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:23.240 Hello. 36 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:26.680 I think the way that Matt and I found out 37 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:31.719 about Bothy's was through YouTube. We it was recommended to 38 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:35.360 us a video on Haunted Bothy. So I think that's 39 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:39.840 but I had kind of heard of them before. And Blake, 40 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:44.360 I think you found out about them through Unkenny, you said, Yeah. 41 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:52.120 The BBC podcast Unkenny has covered a couple stories related 42 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:52.560 to these. 43 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:54.400 Yeah. 44 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:56.680 I guess we should probably start this saying what is 45 00:02:56.719 --> 00:02:57.400 a Bothy? 46 00:02:58.840 --> 00:02:59.039 Yes? 47 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:02.800 Is it possible that it's both the I don't know, 48 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:06.800 or is it both both and Bothy. 49 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.680 Bothy Boffy is what I keep hearing? But both, Yeah, 50 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:16.039 it's a kind of shelter, so little little house, very simple, 51 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:20.439 free to use shelter, which is found in remote parts 52 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:24.759 of the UK, so mostly in Scotland and the Scottish Highlands, 53 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:27.840 and there are some in Wales and a number of 54 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.719 them in England as well. So just little houses, very basic, 55 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:36.879 often repurposed from other buildings, and they're unlocked and they're 56 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:40.840 open free for anyone who needs shelter. So they're very 57 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:45.479 popular with hikers and climbers and travelers and other outdoors people. 58 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:48.439 And so these are rural, they're off the beaten. 59 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:51.840 Path absolutely, I mean some of them are really many 60 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:55.639 miles off the beaten path. And the word bothy itself 61 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:58.599 is Gaelic. It comes from the word bothen, which means 62 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:02.000 huts or cabin and a lot of them were former 63 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:06.919 cottages which we used for state workers and shepherds who 64 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:10.719 worked local farms, and some were used as lodges or 65 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:15.639 schoolhouses and even Coastguard watch stations. And just over the 66 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:19.000 years a lot of these have become deserted and so 67 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:23.160 walkers began to use them instead, and bothy became a 68 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:25.839 term for this kind of thing, a verb for this 69 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:30.240 kind of activity. And there's a Mountain Bothy's Association, which 70 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:33.560 was formed a couple of decades ago, and it was 71 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.560 set up to save these bothies. 72 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:37.920 From ruin, and some of them are ruins. 73 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:41.920 I believe that the episode of I haven't listened to 74 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:45.120 it yet, but the episode of Uncanny or the shows 75 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.240 on Bothy's they're talking about ruins nowadays. 76 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:52.279 A quick answer here. The BBC's Uncanny did two episodes 77 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:55.759 dealing with a particular Bothy called Louis Belle In which 78 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:58.600 contains stories a kinda work Karen and Matt will share 79 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.399 later in this episode. I very much enjoy Uncanny because 80 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:05.759 it maintains a pretty good balance of story, paranormal speculation 81 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:09.600 and skeptical critique. Listeners of this show will recognize many 82 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:12.240 of the skeptical voices who appear in that series, so 83 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:14.720 links to two episodes dealing with Bothy's will be in 84 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:15.319 the show. 85 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.120 Notes this Mountain Bothy's Association will talk about them a 86 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:19.839 little bit more. 87 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:21.399 They've got about one hundred. 88 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:24.560 Bothies across the UK that are in their care and 89 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:28.519 they kind of work to maintain these places. 90 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:29.600 And keep them up and running. 91 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:33.399 Although a lot of them don't have plumbing. They don't 92 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:37.199 have running water. They don't have electricity, so they don't 93 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:39.120 have really basic facilities. 94 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:41.399 You were looking to have a room, We used to 95 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:42.399 have to live in the corridor. 96 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:45.439 Oh, we used to dream of living in a cotidor. 97 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:51.040 It's just a very short term stay for people who 98 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:53.279 are hiking in these remote areas. 99 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:55.759 This is really interesting to me that the idea that, 100 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.000 first of all, I guess that there's enough hospitality in 101 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:01.839 the region to try to take care of, you know, wanderers. 102 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:02.720 That's really nice. 103 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.800 Yeah, I think there's something kind of charming about it 104 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:10.040 and about them. And I don't know how much they 105 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:12.480 are maintained. I think that's going to talk about this 106 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:15.000 a little bit later. But they often get filled with 107 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:17.720 dunk and rubbish, and I don't think they cleaned out 108 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:18.560 terribly often. 109 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.439 One of the interesting things about it is that most 110 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:26.160 of these Bothy's are on private land. And it's true it, 111 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:29.439 you know, so you really have to respect the land 112 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.399 owner and the owner of the bothy. And I think 113 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:36.680 it's great that this Mountain Bothy's Association comes in and 114 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:39.360 tries to keep these things as maintained as possible. Because 115 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:43.439 it is completely volunteer run for the most part, so 116 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.199 it's it's a pretty cool thing. But I think a 117 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:52.360 lot of people forget that they're on somebody's land, you know, 118 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:54.920 when they're they're staying in these places. So we'll keep 119 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:58.000 that in mind if you plan on bothying anytime in 120 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:00.720 the near future, that you want to have as much 121 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:03.399 respect for all of it as you can. But I 122 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:08.839 think the history of the bothies is really interesting and why, 123 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.519 you know, I think it feeds into why these places 124 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:16.079 would be haunted in the first place. And part of 125 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:19.439 that is, you know, like Karen was saying, these were 126 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:23.519 kind of for workers on farms and things like that, 127 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:27.560 and they would have to stay pretty much six months 128 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:31.399 at a time in these tiny little structures, and it 129 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:34.399 could be quite a few people, you know, staying in 130 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:38.240 there at once. So they became viewed as a very 131 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:41.959 evil place because they were kind of off the grid. 132 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.839 They these people really weren't going to church. They you know, 133 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:50.079 it was they could drink and curse and all kinds 134 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:52.680 of things. So these were looked at as a place 135 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:57.480 of evil by people more in the towns and cities. 136 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.040 So you got to stay away from the b And 137 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:05.040 then with the boffies come to boffy ballads. 138 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:13.920 F my first feetim maien's eye wisbearely sixteen medjo wishday. 139 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.480 Work and all mere the card queen. 140 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:21.360 I card off the weeds and I sprayed them manure 141 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:27.959 and care that toot mock at the man's drum your. 142 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:31.560 Atim mertemis and the grief of the drum tappet me 143 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.840 and the shooter and speared the netcom table works first 144 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:38.840 pair for the winter half year. We have a big 145 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:40.039 clicket horse. 146 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:45.080 In our all eaten mere m my large it fuller 147 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:50.279 the blue a story I will tell ted you or 148 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.559 some of the own young's we gang through its sleepy 149 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:57.279 tune and armor and. 150 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:08.360 Market and wealthy. 151 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:14.799 Lu. 152 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:28.240 Now a lot of those were pretty blue as well. 153 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.639 But uh, the interesting thing about the Bothy ballads is 154 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:34.360 they were kind of like, in a sense, reading a 155 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:38.799 newspaper about you know, u the people that stayed there. 156 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:43.120 Because every six months there would be like these fairs, 157 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.279 employment fairs that you could go to and get picked 158 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:49.919 up by an employer for a six month contract. So 159 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.399 these Bathi ballads would often be designed to warn people 160 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:57.279 which farmers to stay away from, you know, which ones 161 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:01.879 were cruel and didn't pay well or made really terrible oatmeal, 162 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:05.279 or whatever the problem was, it would be in the 163 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:06.080 Boffy ballad. 164 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:08.480 That was actually, yeah, in one of the ballads that 165 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:10.919 we heard about that they didn't make terribly good oatmeal, 166 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:15.080 so it was a strike against them. Wow. But yeah, 167 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:18.120 these Boffy ballads are really important. They do document and 168 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.080 preserve the oral tradition of these farm workers and gives 169 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:24.799 us a lot of insight into the lives that they led. 170 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:28.279 And these stories were just passed down through generations, and 171 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:32.639 as Matt said, they would warn people against unscrupulous employers. 172 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:35.919 But it's just interesting with these ballads and with the 173 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:39.320 legends that are around. I think they're all the most remote, 174 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:42.000 and they're all considered to be the most haunted. 175 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:46.600 That's with the story of bad oats and ghosts and 176 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:49.399 people sleeping over I wonder if this is maybe a 177 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:51.759 case of old Hagis syndrome. 178 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:57.759 I was bracing myself for a pun there. I bet 179 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:03.519 plenty of Hagis was eaten coffees over the decades. But 180 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:07.120 as Matt said, why would these places be haunted? And 181 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.919 we've found throughout many years of podcasting that history is 182 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:16.039 often said to be haunted. And so these places contain 183 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:20.000 a lot of history, a lot of legends. And as 184 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.840 we keep saying, they're terribly remote, we can't stress that enough. 185 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:26.120 They are in the middle of nowhere. We'd say, out 186 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:27.840 in Coui in Australia. 187 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:31.840 Oh sorry, Karen, but there's always a storm coming. 188 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.120 Well, yeah, that's why you have to seek shelter in 189 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:36.679 the ruin both bathy right. 190 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:38.279 Always never fails. 191 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.159 Well, these areas are a really subject to very unpredictable weather, 192 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.600 so lots of rain and cold and snow and very 193 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:51.759 severe storms. And they're often nestled in the mountains and 194 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:54.919 in the valleys and glens and by locks. 195 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:56.039 And by the sea as well. 196 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.799 But they can be very treacherous to access and people 197 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:03.759 need to hike through bogs and streams and crossing many miles, 198 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:05.600 a lot of things that are creepy about them. 199 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:09.559 Well, and then you get there and there may be 200 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:12.159 people already in there that you have to share with, 201 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:14.320 or you may get there and there's no one there, 202 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:17.279 And then you get nice and comfortable and more people 203 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:20.279 show up that you now have to share with. So 204 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:23.600 you never know what you're going to get, and you 205 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:27.279 don't know for one, if the people that you're sharing 206 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:31.320 with are real or ghosts, or if they're if they're 207 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:34.799 complete creeps, you you don't know what you're going to get. 208 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:37.039 So there's a lot of I think tension, and just 209 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.480 with the isolation of it, there's a lot of creep 210 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:41.639 factor there as well. 211 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.559 So, yeah, we want to be skeptics about the things 212 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:49.320 that people are experiencing. They'll hear a lot of strange 213 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:54.039 sounds from the weather and from animals, deer and mice. 214 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:58.159 There problems with mice droppings in a lot of these bodies, 215 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:00.159 so I think it could be pretty dangerous of a 216 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:05.080 health perspective too. But I think that these shows like 217 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.879 Uncanny and all the YouTube bios and podcasters are sharing 218 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:13.039 a lot of stories and legends that are associated with 219 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:16.440 these bothies. And also when you stay there, they have 220 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:20.120 each place has its own Bothy book, So this is 221 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:21.840 a kind of visitors book. 222 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:24.320 For people to write about their experiences. 223 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.080 And just from examples that Matt and I have seen 224 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:35.159 a lot of claims of ghostly activity and even aliens, UFOs, 225 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:38.440 people seeing all kinds of strange things, and so I 226 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:41.919 think a lot of it can be explained from a 227 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:47.279 natural perspective obviously, but certainly there are a lot of 228 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:50.240 legends that we're going to go into a couple of them. 229 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:52.440 I want you to picture this just a little bit. 230 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:59.000 They call the fireplace BOTHYTV. Okay, because what you generally 231 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:02.240 do is you come men, you start reading the Bothy 232 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:06.240 book and all of the crazy stories in it and everything, 233 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:08.600 and then you get your fire going and you sit 234 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:13.279 down and you watch the fire very hypnotic, and you've 235 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:15.080 just read all these creepy stories. 236 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:17.600 You're always drinking. 237 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:22.120 It is by law, you are drinking. 238 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:29.679 Similar yep, and uh, it's it is just a recipe 239 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:30.840 for the paranormal. 240 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:33.639 Yeah, you know, it reminds me of that. This culture 241 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.039 around upkeep and sharing stories reminds me a lot of 242 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:42.519 shelters on the AT on the Appalachian Trail, and I'm 243 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:46.879 sure they have something similar out west on the Pacific coast. 244 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.919 But the on the AT, there's there's shelters, and there's 245 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.679 organizations that maintain them and you know people, it's communal space. 246 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:57.600 It it really reminds me of a lot. Yeah. Yeah, 247 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:02.039 and it's it's rural. It's very rural. I know when 248 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:04.480 I was kind of prepping for this, I did try 249 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:08.519 to see if I could find any historical records of 250 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:13.279 murderers or anything like why ghosts in these places in particular, 251 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.720 And I didn't find any murders, but a lot of 252 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:24.919 people have been killed. You're cruel, No, no, but seriously, 253 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.080 I didn't find many references to murders. In fact, the 254 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.159 oldest thing I found was what You're in the eighteen eighties, 255 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.879 a distillery guy that mentions a haunted both the situated 256 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:41.120 near a rock cavern, and that was basically it. So 257 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:47.240 it seems like the ghost stories have not shockingly. I 258 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:51.240 guess I've sort of increased in numbers since the Internet, 259 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.279 you know, so I'm not sure if that's the main 260 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.600 mechanism by which they spread, but it seems like, I guess, 261 00:15:58.720 --> 00:15:59.320 how would you know? 262 00:15:59.480 --> 00:15:59.639 Though? 263 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:03.159 You know, if before that, where would it have been captured? 264 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.360 These are local phenomena slash legends, slash whatever. 265 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.879 Yes, I'm not aware of any Bothy ballads that tell 266 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:17.200 of ghosts, but I mean there are a couple of 267 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:25.600 Australian songs that I can think of told during the 268 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.639 days of the when the country was colonized. Ghost stories 269 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:31.720 and legends and things like that so there might have 270 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:32.720 risen in those. 271 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:36.679 Have you come across any note. 272 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:40.279 Ghosts, not specifically. I'm trying to think if I heard 273 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:44.600 any heard any about even like, you know, murders that 274 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.600 had taken place that you know, that would be the 275 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.320 next step. You know, a record of a murder in 276 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:56.039 a song, could you know carry right into a legend? 277 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:00.480 Yeah, well, I guess we'll go into a couple of 278 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:06.240 the more famous bothies. So again yeah, yeah, the legends 279 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.960 are that whichever bothy you're talking about, it tends to 280 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:12.839 be the most remote, it tends to be the most haunted. 281 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:17.000 So one of the more famous bothis is the White 282 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:22.599 Lagan Bothy and it's located in Galloway Forest Park, So 283 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:26.079 this is in southwest Scotland and it used to be 284 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:29.920 one of those shepherd's houses. So White Lagan is said 285 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:32.200 to be haunted by the ghost of a woman who 286 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:35.640 once lived in the area, and the details are very vague. 287 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:37.960 It said that she lived during the eighteenth or the 288 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:41.440 nineteenth centuries. We don't know what her name is, we 289 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:43.920 don't know any details about her or what she looks like, 290 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:47.480 but some people say that she died tragically, that this 291 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:51.319 was either from illness or exposure to the elements, or 292 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:55.240 that she'd been ostracized by the nearby communities at the time, 293 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:58.400 and she was known for being a recluse. So again 294 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:00.480 with these stories, we get a lot of kind of lapping. 295 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.279 They'll say one thing and then they'll say the complete opposite, 296 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:06.359 so we just don't have any details. 297 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:07.200 But they said that. 298 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.039 After her death, very strange occurrences began to be reported 299 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.559 in the Bothy and around that area. So you'll hear 300 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:18.799 stories of hauntings that include things like footsteps. I mean, 301 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:22.400 that's just a good kind of solid ghost legend. I 302 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.759 think to hear fansom footsteps, which people hear outside at 303 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:29.680 night when there's no one else there. You can imagine 304 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.319 being alone in a bothy and just wondering if someone 305 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:35.119 else is going to be joining you, and hearing that, 306 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:37.799 you know, it could be the sounds of animals, And 307 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.279 I guess we don't need to dissect all of this, 308 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:43.279 but these are the stories and the legends. Some people 309 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:46.319 claim that they hear a woman sobbing, or they hear 310 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:50.839 her singing softly, or again that complete opposite, she's screaming, 311 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:55.759 so they hear her yelling or screaming, and other people 312 00:18:55.960 --> 00:19:00.319 report doors closing by themselves and chairs moving. Matt and 313 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:04.119 I have watched a ton of these videos, and in 314 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:07.960 many of them you do hear doors being slammed, and 315 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:10.640 often it's just an open plan kind of thing, but 316 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:14.440 maybe the front door is slammed or chairs move, and 317 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:17.720 from watching these, if you want to be a skeptic 318 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.559 about it, it does seem like they're there's trickery involved. 319 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:27.920 Perhaps they're using string, or there's someone off camera's who's 320 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:31.119 closing the door or moving the chairs or doing something. 321 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:34.720 So it just seems to be a very common thing 322 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:42.480 that we see in these videos. People also talk about 323 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:46.519 sudden drops in temperature, particularly in one corner of the 324 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:50.160 White Lag and Bothy, and my favorite one is that 325 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:57.799 people say the Bothy is colder inside than outside. That's fun, 326 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:00.200 but obviously you're going to have cold spots and a 327 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:03.440 little boffy like this with the there. 328 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:06.200 Unless you have. 329 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:12.119 Wood and something to burn, it's going to be terribly 330 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:15.839 cold in those places. Colder outside obviously, but certainly cold 331 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:19.960 in there. And often with the bad weather, it's very 332 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.880 difficult to find wood. They won't let you cut from 333 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:27.359 live trees, so you can only take firewood from from 334 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.839 dead trees or from just twigs and sticks and things 335 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:31.119 like that. 336 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.480 And if it weren't for those Bothy books, how would 337 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:34.599 you even get the fire started? 338 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:39.559 And there's that too, right, I'm sure mouse drop its. 339 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:45.880 But so other people complain about the feeling of being 340 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:49.319 watched while they're inside the bothy or around the Bothy, 341 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:52.319 and I can imagine that kind of thing happening too. 342 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:55.319 I think at any given time we can have that 343 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:58.599 kind of sensation if we're out of our own homes. 344 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:04.559 So another story I came across too was that of 345 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:10.079 night stalkers. And it seems like it depends who you 346 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:12.039 talk to as to what this means, because when I 347 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:15.960 thought night stalker, I started thinking serial killer, right ah, 348 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:19.039 And then I started thinking Matt and I watched a 349 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:22.000 few episodes and they talked about stalkers, and so it 350 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:23.960 seemed to be hunters deer stalkers. 351 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:27.119 Oh yeah, yeah, that's a phrase, yeah exactly. They used 352 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:29.279 deer stalker to meet someone who hunts deer exactly. 353 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:32.160 Yeah, And a deer stalker is a particular type of 354 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:35.480 hat as well. But how do you know about them? 355 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:37.960 And I mentioned my dear Watson, this man has been 356 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:41.200 dead for at least two hours, and so fear hunters. 357 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:44.200 But it seems really interesting because I think that this 358 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:46.079 has evolved off the back of the idea of the 359 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:52.519 skin walker in American crypti folklore that people are now faming. 360 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:57.480 They've seen these see these humanoid cryptids, and sometimes they're 361 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:03.880 wearing hoods, or they're just strange, tall, gangly looking creatures. 362 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:06.319 That walk the moors and the. 363 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:12.279 Hills, and so I think that there's some conflation of 364 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:16.319 folklore here, and people are seeing things that they think 365 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:20.559 they might see in or have heard about from American folklore. 366 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:24.000 But I think this is a real mishmash. Whatever the 367 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:28.519 going cryptids are, I guess of the day people will 368 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:34.759 incorporate into modern boffy folklore. But you know, you hear 369 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:36.839 of lots of stories of people just saying they had 370 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.559 such unsettling experiences when they were staying overnight that they 371 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:44.079 packed up and they left before morning, just saying that 372 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:47.720 the atmosphere was too oppressive, they were unable to sleep 373 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:51.279 because of all of the creepy noises and our normal 374 00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:55.519 activity that was going on. So that's the white Lag 375 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:58.720 and Boffy anyway, and definitely one of the more famous ones, 376 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.839 and I think it's one of the more accessible ones. 377 00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:08.119 But yeah, a lot of stories surrounding that, and Matt 378 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:09.559 looked into a different Bothy. 379 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:14.440 The two most popular that we were seeing on YouTube 380 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:20.480 was the White Lagen Bothy and the Ben Alder Bothy 381 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:25.039 or they've been Alder Cottage. Now. Ben Alder's a mountain 382 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:30.200 in the Scottish Highlands. It's about three thousand, seven hundred 383 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:34.000 and sixty six feet at its highest point. Now, so 384 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.359 we'll start this one talking a little bit about this mountain. 385 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:42.720 So recently, we're talking nineteen ninety six there a body 386 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.599 was found on the mountain at the edge of a 387 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:48.400 cliff face, and they called it the Man with No 388 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:50.880 Name because it took a full year for them to 389 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:55.000 discover who it was. But the weird thing was to 390 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:58.640 say his heart was pierced with an old fashioned lead 391 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:02.880 ball bullet, and all the labels had been like. 392 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:05.920 A musket ball, like a musketball, so it's like a 393 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.640 like not a bullet like you would buy at the store, 394 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:12.039 but like a black powder ball. 395 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:17.599 Oh yeah, yeah, not familiar with this stuff. 396 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.519 I have some questions about this whole thing. But I'll 397 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:24.240 go a little further. The labels have been cut from 398 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:28.119 his clothing. All forms of identification like credit cards were missing. 399 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:34.000 He had a replica Remington forty four with him. Unsuitable 400 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:37.960 slip on shoes. I like that they brought in the 401 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:39.240