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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode ninety of Get It Alive and our

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last episode of twenty twenty four. I'm your host, Ashley,

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and I'm joined by one of my best pals and

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the most consistent co host of this show, Nick Yo.

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It felt weird to start in a different way, but hope.

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Speaker 2: But you've been doing it forever, haven't you? What then

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for a while for most of the year. No, I've

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been doing that intro without me for a.

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Speaker 1: Like, Oh, it's just weird to say welcome to Get

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Out Alive, Comma and then continue this is.

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Speaker 2: Stupid, do you not? Is that not the intro?

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Speaker 1: No? No, We're ninety episodes in and you're unsure of

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how this normally goes.

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Speaker 2: I guess so anyway, and anim'll talk podcast hero Stashley,

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that me and Nick. Yeah, oh yes, I got it. Anyways.

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I was there when the script was written, so I

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forgot to do.

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Speaker 1: It in the last episode, but I made a special

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note for myself to do it now as a thank

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you to those of you who take a moment to

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leave us a five star review. I read one at

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the beginning of each episode when I remember so. This

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episode's review is from Apple Podcasts, written by someone who

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calls themselves on the don't and says, quote, love the

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show and thank you for the Dan Flores interview, good

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questions for him, and now I'm downloading his books.

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Speaker 2: Nice thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's always the hope is that people listen to it

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and want to know more about what the person does. Also,

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it is the cutest thing to me when people say

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thank you for this interview, as if I'm doing a

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nice thing for them specifically.

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Speaker 2: It's very sweet. Yeah, you're spreading info for people. It's

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really good, h well, educating, crying, Yeah, kunt it.

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Speaker 1: So twenty twenty four has felt like a big year

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for the podcast, and we've evolved in a lot of

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different ways. New logo, new music, Nick left, Nick left,

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and then people asked where he was, and I was like,

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depending on what time a day you'd ask me, I'd

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tell you like he's at work or he's probably at

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home right now.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was referring too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So so you know how it was get out

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of live an Animal Attack podcasts, Like that's how you found

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it on like whatever search engine. I decided to take

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out the Animal Attack podcast portion because I feel like,

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especially this year, like we've really like it's still mainly

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what the podcast is about, but I feel like we've

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transcended to be talking about more than just that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And thank you to everyone who's been showing us

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your Spotify raps. I love seeing everyone's and seeing when

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we're a part of them and ours told us that

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seventy four percent of our listeners were new this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so either we're terrible retention or we've really grown.

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Speaker 1: We also have listeners from seventy seven countries.

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Speaker 2: That's wild yeah, and the.

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Speaker 1: Top of course the United States where we're based.

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Speaker 2: Cool.

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Speaker 1: And in one country we're number forty six on Spotify

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charts for podcas No shit, I don't know which country number.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know which country. It just says in one country.

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Is it just a trige one? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Cool?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the thing that this podcast is mostly focused

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on is how we can all learn how to avoid

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negative interactions with wildlife. And if you've been listening for

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a while, at the end of the year, our last episode,

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I like to try to make it a culmination of

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the attacks throughout the year that we haven't talked about.

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And there's a lot that we didn't talk about this

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year because we were talking to so many guests, which

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was great. But now is the time where we're going

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to go through some things that happened this year, and

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there were so many that I wanted to cover that

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We're going to do this episode and then I say

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free episode on Patreon as like a little bonus. We're

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going to cover more stories that I'm here. Let's get started,

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Let's do it all right, So before we actually get

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into attacks, I lied to you, We're going to talk

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about two like news stories that are relevant.

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Speaker 2: We're going back into attacks, but before we.

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Speaker 1: Do that, I want to talk about Fat Bear Week,

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Oh my god, and the drama.

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Speaker 2: Y'all have the drama, so love Fat Bear Week.

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Speaker 1: I also feel like in these wrap up episodes we

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always include some like wildlife related news that may not

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. So I'm assuming.

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Speaker 1: Most of you listening are familiar with Fat Bear Week

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by now, but if not, it's a yearly competition put

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on by Catmi National Park in Alaska where people can

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vote on which bear has gotten the fattest during the

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salmon run in the fall.

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Speaker 2: It's great if you have checked it out, you need to.

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Speaker 1: You gotta because this has become so popular. There's now

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a live webcam that looks over Brooks River, which is

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one of the sites where grizzlies congregate. Did you know

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about this live webcam?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I watched it every year. Yeah? Oh do you?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's so cute.

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Speaker 2: I was watching that work recently, well, you know, this

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past year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this year. At nine thirty am on Monday,

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September thirtieth, the day that Fat Bear Week was set

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to launch, viewers watched in horror as Bear four h two,

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a female in her twenties, fought Bear four sixty nine,

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a large adult male, in the river. The fight ended

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in four H two's death, and Bear four sixty nine

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dragged her to the shore and began to consume her.

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Speaker 2: Four h two is on the bracket. They both were,

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Speaker 1: Four to sixty nine was eventually driven off of her

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carcass by Bear thirty two, also known as Chunky, who

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claimed four h two's body for his own. Four h

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two was the mother of at least eight litters in

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her lifetime. Like I said, she was in her twenties,

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more than any other bear currently at Brooks River, and

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this included two litters of four cubs, which is very impressive.

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Speaker 2: Mama.

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Speaker 1: In twenty thirteen, four to sixty nine became known to

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fans because he overcame a serious injury to his left

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hind leg and foot while fishing at Brooks Falls. So like,

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despite his injuries, he could still fish and take care

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of himself. And then one year earlier he was seen

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with an unidentified bear's remains.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, that's not good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: A twenty twenty two paper found that half of the

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world's bear species, so there's only eight. So four of

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those eight species, including brown bears, occasionally consume their own kind,

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and a third of those instances are infanticide, where an

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older bear kills a cub.

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Speaker 2: That's relatively normal in animals, like a lot of times

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males will kill babies to put the female back in

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the heat. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we saw this in kat My this year

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once again, involving Chunk Bear one eight, better known as Grazer,

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had a cub with her in the river, and the

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cub slipped and fell over Brooks Falls into chunk space.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, and he fatally wounded it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even more ironically, Chunk and Grazer were the final

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two contestants in twenty twenty four Fat Bear Week Oh

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my god, no way, yeah, and Grazer ended up victorious.

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Speaker 1: It was also noted that two longtime fan favorites, Bear fourth,

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the twenty nineteen Fat Bear Week champion known as Holly Girl,

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and four time winner Bear four eighty known as Otis,

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were both absent from the scene this year for the

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first time since Fat Bear Week came to you.

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Speaker 2: You know, I noticed that I didn't see Holly on

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the other thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So rangers think that the two of them, it's

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possible that they just changed their feeding grounds, but it's

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more likely that they died because they were elderly. Yeah,

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and because of the nature of their surroundings and just

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like the nature of bears in general, it's unlikely that

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you'll ever find their remains.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, no way. I mean, the freaking force

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out there is so dense, like it's so hard to

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walk around, like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if bears are eating each other exactly, there's

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no way. So that was the Fat Bear Week drama,

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and I think for a lot of people it like

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launched uncomfortable feelings about the fact that they like kill

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and eat each other because this is supposed to be

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a fun, cute competition, and them getting fat.

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Speaker 2: You know, they are, you know, wild animals eating other animals,

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So let's not forget that. Yeah, you don't really feel

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bad for the fish when they pull it out.

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Speaker 1: So so I think part of Grazer winning was because

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people felt so bad that her Cuba died, which idually understand.

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Speaker 2: I feel bad for her too, but it like, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: It was people being like, fuck Chunk, you know, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the fact that Chunk made to the end.

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He must have been a big old boy this year. Yeah,

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well were they always sorry?

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the next news story,

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which is very relevant, Oh is it?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So Nick and I on Patreon just finished up our

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coverage of the Chimp Crazy HBO documentary.

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Speaker 2: Thank god, it's the worst.

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Speaker 1: It was the worst in so many ways, good but

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also the worst. So we have to talk about the

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forty three monkeys that escaped and some of which are

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still loose in South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: You know, I went down in South Carolina. I was

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talking about go and find them. Oh my god, yeah,

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you did? Ye run the same time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're still out there as we're talking.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, you want to go? No, I don't, of course,

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I don't.

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Speaker 1: You learn We literally just did four like hour long

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episodes about chimps and monkeys and how much we don't

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like them. Why would I want to go find them?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you win, Yeah you're I don't even have a

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Speaker 1: So on November sixth, which is pretty recently, I didn't

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realize it was like that recent.

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Speaker 2: It feels a long time ago, right, time flies? Oh,

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it's been a long couple months.

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Speaker 1: Forty three reesis Macacus escaped their enclosure at the Alpha

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Genesis Center in Yamassy, South Carolina. Am I pronouncing that right?

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Speaker 2: I think so? I mean, yeah, it's a weird name. Yeap.

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Speaker 1: In an effort to capture the monkeys, the local police

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set out baited traps and thermal imaging cameras. Residents were

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told to lock their windows and doors to avoid having

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monkeys in their home, and they were told to call

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nim on one immediately if they saw the monkeys and

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to avoid interacting with them.

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Speaker 2: And it was said that they are not like, they

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don't have any diseases or anything, right, like that. They

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made that very clear right away. Yeah, do you believe that?

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say my piece and then we'll figure

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it out together, because I don't know how I feel.

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But the CEO of Alpha Genesis, Greg Westerguard, said the

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monkeys escaped when a worker caring for them failed to

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secure their enclosure, and he has since said that the

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company is investigating if this act was intentional. Oh interesting, Yeah,

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the enclosure contained fifty macaqus. Forty three of them bolted

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out the door in a single file line, while seven

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stayed behind.

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Speaker 2: Mike. You seem like you do? Yeah? For seven seven

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were like, monkey, don't fuck this.

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Speaker 1: Greg said, quote, they're just being goofy monkeys, jumping back

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and forth and playing with each other. It's kind of

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like a big playground situation here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so he taked it seriously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think he's trying to pick down. Then

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the police are like, lock your door, sot them inside.

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He said they didn't want to chase the monkeys and

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spook them and knew it would be a long process

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getting them back because they're so smart and wary of traps.

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he said, quote, we've got them very close. This is

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all what we like to see.

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second or third day after they got out, and they're like, oh, yeah,

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we know where they all are. The by the thing,

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go fucking dart them. Like what do you like? You

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make forty three of them? Okay? Would you have to

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do something? Start with one, like start with one and

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work your way down ye know yeh.

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Speaker 1: So he said the monkeys that had escaped were all

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young females weighing between six and seven pounds and had

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never been used for testing due to their young age.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Alpha Genesis breeds monkeys and provides this is according to

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their website, quote non human primate products and BioResearch services

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across the globe. The company's clinical trials reportedly include research

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on progressive brain disorders.

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Speaker 2: Oh damn dimension stuff probably sure, well yeah, yeah, who knows.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, Alpha Genesis won a federal contract

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to oversee a colony of thirty five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Recis macaque jesus.

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Speaker 1: On Morgan Island in South Carolina, which is also known

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as Monkey Island because the one hundred three five hundred

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free ranging monkeys.

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Speaker 2: Wow, free ranging. That's pretty cool though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The facility is rapidly expanded across one hundred acres, and

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these fifty monkeys had been brought to Alpha Genesis to

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become accustomed to humans from the island.

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Speaker 2: Is that a good thing?

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Speaker 1: I think for research purposes. Okay, yeah, in theory, they're

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not supposed to be outside.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, however, the USDA gave Alpha Genesis

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eight violations for things like housing, facility violations and veterinary violations,

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including an incident where six monkeys were placed in the

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wrong enclosure, leading to the death of one of the

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monkeys in four other required veterinary care.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. I wonder what that situation was.

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Speaker 1: I don't know specifically. I couldn't find the report, but

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I'm sure it was like, maybe you mixed monkeys that

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weren't supposed to be together.

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Speaker 2: Whatever. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, Okay, they just.

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Speaker 1: Hit each other up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then the first eight months of twenty twenty two,

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the facility also had six separate instances of monkeys escaping

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their enclosures.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is a common issue.

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Speaker 1: And eight years ago, nineteen monkeys escaped but were recaptured

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six hours.

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Speaker 2: I remember that story too. That was another one that

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was on the news nationwide and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Are you talking about the truck crashing with the monkeys

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in it?

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Speaker 2: I know no. When I was reading up on this

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most recent one from Alpha Genesis, like they mentioned like

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some stuff like, oh, you might remember back in you know,

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twenty or whatever. Fuck. Yeah, yeah, now I remember reading

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up on it. I was like, oh, I remember that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At the time, local officials said these escapes were not common,

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and the monkeys typically went back to the facility because

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they knew that that's where food was.

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Speaker 2: It's weird. It sounds like it's pretty common. Yeah, right.

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Speaker 1: On top of all of this, most recently, a whistleblower

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told Pita, we're talking about peda again, Oh God, that

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eighteen long tailed monkeys had died due to a heater malfunction,

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and the USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, also

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known as APHIS, is investigating to see if there are

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any violations to the Animal Welfare Act.

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Speaker 2: In South Carolina. They died of hypothermia, well, heater malfunction,

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So so am I gone too hot? Yeah? Oh shit?

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Speaker 1: Could have caught.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea it's being investing. That's a vague answer, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So they said if anyone would like to follow up

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on this, they can visit the APHIS Public search tool,

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which I will link in the episode description to access

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the inspection and enforcement histories. And Alpha Genesis certificate number

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is fifty six dash B DASH zero one to zero,

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which I'll put in the episode description so you can

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look up Alpha Genesis and the stuff that they're being

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investigated for.

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Speaker 2: See. I don't like the name. It just sounds like

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an evil company name.

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Speaker 1: This sounds exactly like Planet of the Apes how it starts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously.

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Speaker 1: As of a May twenty twenty four inspection by the USDA,

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Alpha Genesis is currently home to six thousand, seven hundred

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and one monkeys.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, okay, so I would assume that this is

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over multiple facilities, including the island that's thirty five hundred.

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But still that's yeah, that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right. Let's finally move on to some animal tacks

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that happened this year. Yes, our first one, we're going

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to Zambia.

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Speaker 2: Ooh cool.

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Speaker 1: Sixty four year old Juliana G. Laturno, a resident of Albuquoque,

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New Mexico, was on a safari in Zambia on Wednesday,

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June nineteenth. Her tour group had just visited the infamous

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Victoria Falls, which is a three hundred and fifty foot

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waterfall that straddles the border of Zambia in Zimbabwe. Her

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group was headed back to their hotel, but stopped near

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the Maramba Cultural Bridge in Livingstone, where a herd of

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African elephants were in the road.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool.

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Speaker 1: Initially, official said an African elephant pulled Juliana from the vehicle.

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Oh but this claim was later disputed by the Livingstone

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Tourism Association, saying that what officials described quote has never

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occurred anywhere in Africa or Asia.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a biased thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're a tourism company. I didn't say ever,

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Speaker 1: I also feel like we've covered stories where that explicitly

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has happened.

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Speaker 2: So it like wrapped the trunk around her and pull

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her out, Like what do you think happened?

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Speaker 1: So this these tourisms or like this tourism.

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Speaker 2: Association open top jeeps and stuff probably.

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Speaker 1: Said that Juliana and others stepped out of the vehicle

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to view the elephants, which goes against national.

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Speaker 2: Park rud Yeah, I was gonna say, that's like the

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number one rule when you go on the Safaris is

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don't get the car. Yeah yeah, And they said that.

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Speaker 1: She was subsequently charged and fatally mauled by the elephant.

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According to a police officer's statement, her injuries included deep

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wounds on the right shoulder, blade and forehead and a

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fractured left ankle in a slightly depressed chest. I mean

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they probably stepped on her. She was taken to a

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clinic near a livingstone, but she was declared dead upon arrival.

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The death of Juliana was the second fatality of an

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American tourist caused by an elephant in Southern Africa this year.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: The other fatality was seventy nine year old Gail Mattson,

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a native of Minnesota, who was killed during a big

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game drive in one of Zambia's national parks in March,

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So once again Zambia. In this incident, which was caught

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on video, an African elephant rushed the group's vehicle and

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used its tusks to push the vehicle over multiple times,

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killing Gale and injuring five others.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow, this is all coming in the wake of a

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severe drought in the area and it is the worst

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scene in four decades.

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Speaker 2: Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the climate conditions there are worsening the food

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insecurity for animals and people.

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Speaker 2: So now elephants are streussed now probably aren't too fond

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of people being around them when they're hungry and thirsty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Zambia has one of the highest rates of

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malnutrition in Sub Saharan Africa just for people, and due

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to the lack of food and water. Animals are also

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being driven towards human settlements looking for food. So people

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who are already insecure about their food and trying to farm,

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now there's elephants coming to take their stuff because the

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elephants are also suffering.

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Speaker 2: Do you know this is a wild question, but do

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you know if people ever hunt to eat elephants, Like

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if you're in a starving village, like I don't see

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heard of elephants go by.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good portion of the poaching crisis

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is like you take what you can get.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: An elephant seems like a huge risk to me personally,

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but I'm sure it has huge risk.

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Speaker 2: But I'm sure they have self defense. Well all that's

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I don't know. I'm sure, but it wouldn't be surprising

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a small village in Zambia had self defense weapons made

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to kill elephants in case they go crazy in town. Yeah,

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and you are any again, starving village and an elephant

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herd goes by, I wouldn't be surprised if started taking them.

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And I don't super blame people again if they're starving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Actually, a nonprofit that researches elephant behavior called

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Elephant Voices, said there have been multiple poaching crises in

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the area, likely exacerbated by the lack of food and

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water accessible to Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and people need fucking money, so they're gonna

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do dumb shit like go top off elephants tusks. Yeah.

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Fuck that sucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like the poaching and like wildlife rig

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crisis is like.

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Speaker 2: A poverty crisis, exactly direculates our human failures. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: A third of Zambia is designated as protected wildlife areas,

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which end up drawing in a lot of tourists that

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helped boost the country's economy.

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Speaker 2: Also, I mean a third of the country's huge. Like

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that's really cool. Yes.

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Speaker 1: So, following Juliana's death, the US State Department said that

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millions of Americans travel to areas where there is wildlife

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every year, and that is uncommon for elephants and other

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wild animals to attack visitors in Zambia.

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Speaker 2: That's probably true, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't

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mean it's never gonna happen. It doesn't mean that the

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elephant didn't come take her out of the fucking cheek.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, anytime you go recreate outside is a

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risk that.

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Speaker 2: You are absolute, which is the whole point of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Or was hey still is still still is still were

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still talking?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm sorry that was shut up.

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Speaker 1: All right. So our next attack occurred on Friday, October eighteenth,

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at nine thirty am.

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Speaker 2: It's my birthday, close to it, almost, congratulations.

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Speaker 1: Italian surfer Julia Manfreni was surfing in the Mentawai Islands

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off of Indonesia's West Sumatra Coast.

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Speaker 2: That must be sick. I bet that's gorgeous. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So she was a former professional snowboarder and she is

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the co founder and head of surf resorts sales at

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a wave Travel, an online travel company that offers a

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hand picked selection of the finest luxury surf resorts and

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quality surf charters and all the ultimate surf destinies. Super cool. Yeah,

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So Julie was waiting to catch a wave. Out of nowhere,

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a needlefish jumped out of the water and pierced her chest.

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Speaker 2: Needlefish, I don't think I know a needlefish.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. So she screamed and fell off her board,

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which caught the attention of other nearby surfers who immediately

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went to her aid. However, of course, as they're paddling

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over to her, the biggest wave anyone had seen that

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day washed them all away from her.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Eventually, when they did get to her, they were able

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to drag her back to the beach, but she was unresponsive.

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There was even a doctor among the group, as there

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seems to always be in these situations, but he failed

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his attempts to resuscitate her. She was taken to a

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hospital in a nearby village, where an ambulance was already

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waiting for her, but she had died by the time

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that she arrived at the hospital.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah so.

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Speaker 1: Medical professionals at the health center reported that she had

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a five centimeter deep stab wound to her upper left chest,

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and that there had been foaming in her nose, which

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is a sign of oxygen deprivation from drowning.

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Speaker 2: Fuck because Steve r Win situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah so. Marine biologists Antonio di Natale said the fish

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responsible was likely an imperial needlefish, although this is of

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course hard to prove without witnesses to identify it or

475
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any sort of body. The imperial needlefish's rostrum so like

476
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their nose, can be thirty centimeters or eleven inches long.

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Speaker 2: Damn yeah.

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Speaker 1: Although the rostrum is rounded, the fish can weigh upwards

479
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of thirty kilos or sixty six pounds wow, which is

480
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obviously deadly if they're launching out of the water.

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Speaker 2: It should even just hit you in the head when

482
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it's swinging as fast as it cam like, yeah, that'll

483
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knock you out and make the drown.

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Speaker 1: This is not the first instance of this kind of

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fish harming a person either. A similar incident occurred on

486
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December sixth, twenty twenty three, when Italian surfer Alberto Marcone

487
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was impaled under his armpit by a needlefish off the

488
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coast of Sumbawa. He survived his injuries after undergoing surgery

489
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for a punctured lung. Oh God, and I'm going to

490
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show you a picture of this next one.

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Speaker 2: Dude, you met's try and swim back to shore with

492
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a punctured lung.

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Speaker 1: Imagine trying to swim back to shore with the next

494
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thing I'm about to show you. So in twenty twenty,

495
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a sixteen year old boy fishing in Bhutan, Indonesia, was

496
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struck in the neck by a needlefish, but also survived

497
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after surgery. But there is this gnarly picture of the

498
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fish going straight through his neck.

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Speaker 2: Serious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm gonna show it to you. No after

501
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Oh no, I don't know if anyone would want to

502
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see this picture other than you. So I'm not gonna

503
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link in the description.

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Speaker 2: What are you saying about me?

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Speaker 1: You're weird?

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Speaker 2: Fair? All right?

507
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Speaker 1: Are you ready?

508
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Speaker 2: I'm ready? Wow? Yeah? Wow?

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Speaker 1: So, Nick, how would you describe this picture to people?

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Speaker 2: So? Uh? This is the sixteen year old?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: So the fish enters on the left side of this Uh,

513
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this dude's neck right around where your arders would be

514
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and is exiting behind his spine. It looks like it

515
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goes behind his spine. Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 1: It does look like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow, how lucky is he that this hit him the

519
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way it did.

520
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Speaker 2: To this Yeah, it looks like it goes through mostly

521
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flesh and muscle and misses from again from the photo,

522
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misses his arteries, misses his spine by centimeters millimeters.

523
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Speaker 1: It's gotta be so.

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Speaker 2: I mean your neck, there's only so much dear noyeah exactly. Yeah,

525
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and your neck is like pretty stout, like people would

526
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be surprised about how dense your neck is. That's a

527
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fucking fast fish to go that deep.

528
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Speaker 1: It is straight through his neck.

529
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Speaker 2: That is crazy because it's white. Six inches eight inches

530
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something like that. Yeah, and what was so the impact

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to that girl's chest If you said it was eight

532
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centimeters five five centimeters, this is more than five centimeters.

533
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Speaker 1: Percent Yeah, well so their rostern can be up to

534
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like eleven Yeah.

535
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this one is huge. It looks very big. Yeah,

536
00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:08,599
a large fish. So there's probably about about half a

537
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,559
centimeter of rosterm sticking out of the back of this

538
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guy's next. Yeah, it is going through yeah, a lot

539
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of flesh. Yeah, that is unbelievably lucky. Yeah, unbelievably lucky, so.

540
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Speaker 1: Co founder of A Wave Travel, James, said an Instagram

541
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post announcing Julia's death. Quote, Julia was surfing in remote

542
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,599
Indonesia and suffered a freak accident. Unfortunately, even with the

543
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,640
brave efforts of her partner, local resorts, staff, and doctors,

544
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,839
Julia couldn't be saved. We believe she died doing what

545
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,400
she loved in a place that she loved. Julia was

546
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the lifeblood of this company, and her infectious enthusiasm for surf, snow,

547
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and life will be remembered by all that came in

548
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,480
contact with her. Julia couldn't travel without people falling in

549
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:53,759
love with her smile, laugh and endless stoke. Anyone was

550
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:56,279
lucky to have her on board a charter or surf trip.

551
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Speaker 2: You know, you're a probably damn cool person. You have

552
00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:01,160
stoke in your obituary. Yeah, that's pretty fucking.

553
00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: That's sad, yea, And like what a weird way to go. Like,

554
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,559
I'm sure as a surfer that's not what you're thinking about.

555
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: A shark or something about it. But like they said,

556
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,839
the freak accident, you know, yeah, just a freak accent.

557
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,720
Crazy stuff happens out there to be eny us anywhere, all.

558
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Speaker 1: Right, and now we transition into the portion of the

559
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podcast all about bear attacks.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, well not yes, but but you like the bears.

561
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Speaker 1: I like bear So on Tuesday, August thirteenth, around nine

562
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to thirty PM. I don't know if you've noticed, almost

563
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every time I've said so far in this episode has

564
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been nine thirty AM or PM. It's so, I don't

565
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nine point thirty was a dangerous time.

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Speaker 2: It's a witching hour.

567
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Officers from the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife

568
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WDFW got a report there had been a black bear

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attack in Roslin, Washington. A seventeen year old girl was

570
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taking trash out by herself to the dumpster behind the

571
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cafe that she worked at when she sustained superficial scratches

572
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and torn clothing from a black bear that struck her arm.

573
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This is all it's really reported of the incident. But

574
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the bear found near the scene was quote lethally removed, meaning.

575
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Speaker 2: That WDFW killed it. Yeah.

576
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Speaker 1: Forensic evidence was collected and the bear will be transported

577
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to the Washington Animal Disease Diagnostic Lab for further evaluation.

578
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I could not find any follow up report. It's December now,

579
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so I have no idea what came from that report.

580
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Speaker 2: Well, you've kind of worked in testlights before. Do you

581
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,359
know how long it would take for an animal to

582
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,960
get test I haven't worked in testing like this before.

583
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,079
We talked about used to rip animal's brains out.

584
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Speaker 1: Oh, well for rabies, that's so different.

585
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Speaker 2: I don't think it is.

586
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, DNA is different than looking for rabies.

587
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sure that are. They just like it wasn't

588
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the right bear, and they just say you haven't worked

589
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in that. That's as damn closer to you got. That's

590
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that's a wild thing to say you haven't worked.

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Speaker 1: In I have worked with DNA and stuff before, but

592
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not I haven't done this very.

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Speaker 2: Specific base there. You don't get out of that for now.

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Speaker 1: Anyways. So WDFW said the bear had become habituated to

595
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humans because it had identified dumpsters as a source of food.

596
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Classic the cafe only had plastic lids on their dumpsters,

597
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which are not enough to deter a bear that weighs

598
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a couple hundred pounds.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely not.

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Speaker 1: The girl who was attacked, her father, who grew up

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in this town, blames visitors for the trash situation in

602
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the town, getting quote out of control, and he says

603
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the worst is near campsites where people just leave trash

604
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behind at the end of their weekend stay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I'm sure that's absolutely a factor. Yeah. Yeah.

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Also it was that prominent that bear would have been

607
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out of the camp sites and not at the stumpster

608
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that probably goes to all the time. So it seems

609
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like a weird.

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Speaker 1: But I mean a cafe probably has like donuts and

611
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:50,079
stuff exactly part comes by the stumpster fairly often identified.

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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, well, I don't know if you can

613
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,599
completely blame the tors. Yeah, just saying no, I agree

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one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: All right, Before we get into our next story, let's

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take a quick break for ADS. In a similar incident

617
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to the one that we just talked about before the ads,

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a family, ironically from Washington was camping at Perry's RV

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Parking campground near the city of Red Lodge in Montana

620
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on August tenth around nine pm. Oh, once again the

621
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nine o'clock hour, not for twenty twenty four. For the

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remaining of the year, do not go out at night.

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Speaker 2: Half next three weeks two Yes.

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Speaker 1: While asleep inside her tent, three year old Madison Findley

625
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Dixon was attacked by.

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Speaker 2: A black bear.

627
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Speaker 1: There are no details about the attack itself, but we

628
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,079
do know that Madison came out of it with.

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Speaker 2: A fractured skull. Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we don't know if the bear like stepped

631
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on her. We don't know if it bit her. We

632
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don't know if she was dragged out. I have no

633
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idea specifically what happened. Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks responded

634
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and set out a trap. They captured a black bear

635
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and euthanized it, believing it to be the one that

636
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attacked the girl, but they said they can never be

637
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one hundred percent sure it was the right bear, to

638
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which I.

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Speaker 2: Say, yes, killed it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess in this case, like if there's

641
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no DNA left behind, but then it's like, well then

642
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,160
why are we.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there must have been hair or something, right,

644
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But also I'm sure they would have investigated that and

645
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,000
found it if it was there. I don't know. That's

646
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,880
that's tough. That's tough. Just kill a bear that way,

647
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,880
you know, everyone's happy, you know, that's what it feels

648
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,519
like that's well, what it feels like a lot of

649
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:28,279
times is oh, yeah, we'll just kill a bear and

650
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:29,240
it's probably that one.

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Speaker 1: Well, especially the bear that was killed was a subadult

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female that Montana FWP said had never had any conflicts

653
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with humans, but after this weekend, they found it necessary

654
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to kill the bear in order to protect the humans.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

656
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I thought that was a weird thing

657
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for them to say, like, hey, we could be one

658
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,039
hundred percent sure, but we did kill this one that's

659
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,160
never had a problem with you before that we somehow

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know about. But we did it for the sake of

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the people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's tough. Yeah, because then you know, I'm

663
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:01,039
pro safe to human Well, well, I'm pro saying then generally,

664
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Like that's always been my stance on on these things.

665
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But you would prefer if they could, you know, make

666
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sure it's thright one, I would prefer that, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Montana FWP also reported that there were many unsecured bear

668
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attractants found in the tent, including trash food, sugary drinks,

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and dirty diapers.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, yeah, you can't be doing that.

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Speaker 1: Montana f WP's communication manager stated, quote, we always want

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to remind folks to store those items. That's everything from

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garbage to food descented toilet tries, to store those in

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a hard sided vehicle or other certified bear resistant container.

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To make sure to avoid instances like this where bears

676
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are attracted to a tent because there are items with

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a scent in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's if you ever go out camping somewhere

679
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with obviously black bears, but with brown bears, make sure

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you fucking do.

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Speaker 1: This, yeah, especially if you're in just like a flimsy

682
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little tent.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Like it doesn't matter if you're in a

685
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RV park. I mean I went being in the Whites

686
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,319
in New Hampshire last year and they're like, hey, there's

687
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:03,960
a black bear around, Like.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, secure yourself. Probably many black bears around that.

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Speaker 1: Ye live of course. Well yeah, but like even here

690
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in New Hampshire where we don't think of bears as

691
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,880
like a big deal, like you still get to do

692
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,200
the right thing if they're around anywhere. Just secure your.

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Speaker 2: Stuff in general, like at worst, puts it in a

694
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fucking cooler outside, Like just don't let them come, don't

695
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,240
attract them to your tent. We're sleeping even.

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Speaker 1: I mean it is tough, like specifically with black bears

697
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because for example here in New Hampshire, and I'm sure

698
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,519
it happens in like every other stay with this tourists,

699
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:35,519
but they learned to break into cars. Oh yeah, and

700
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if you follow us on Facebook, I post videos of

701
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:40,839
black bears being stuck in cars and having to figure

702
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:41,720
out how to get them out.

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Speaker 2: No, there's tons of videos in Usemity where bears are

704
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:49,359
like in cars and shit. Yeah, so lock your cars also, absolutely,

705
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:52,279
did you? Uh, this is a different the news story.

706
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:54,640
Did you see that thing about the people who dressed

707
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,559
up as a black bear and beat the share of

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00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:58,599
their car, got it on video and try to do

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insurance fraud? Oh? Yes, I did someone dude, Oh my

710
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,440
god it was It was in isn't that an air

711
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,759
of Cali where I used to go all the time?

712
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: Oh?

713
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:05,119
Speaker 2: Really?

714
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:06,759
Speaker 1: Were there black bears there?

715
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah? Oh yeah, it's the big Bear area?

716
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,079
Speaker 1: So can you how did we get that on video?

717
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:14,000
Did the people videotape?

718
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was like from a ring camera because they

719
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,960
were trying to commit insurance frauds. They wanted the video

720
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,920
of a bear attacking their car. It was just a

721
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,000
dude dressed up in a bear coster. That's hilarious. It's

722
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:25,319
very funny. I'm very happy didn't work. They just they'd

723
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,079
done it a couple of times too, like the same

724
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,839
group of people had kind of rotated and done it

725
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,359
to each other's cars. That's really funny. Yeah, wow, idiots.

726
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,839
Speaker 1: So, Madison's mom made a gofund me for her daughter,

727
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,519
which hit its five K goal, in order to help

728
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:43,359
with her medical bills. Her mom stated she had initially

729
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:46,920
received some raby shots, but once a bear was killed

730
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,759
and tested negative for rabies, she didn't receive any additional

731
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,559
raby shots, to which I'm like, you could not confirm

732
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:53,400
which bear it was.

733
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: Why.

734
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:57,559
Speaker 1: It specifically says after a bear was killed, it's like,

735
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:02,440
well bear, yeah a bear. Different bears could have different diseases. Yeah,

736
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,839
Like I don't think we should just stop to be

737
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,000
super sure. Yeah, make sure that we're doing that. But anyways,

738
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,440
she didn't receive any additional rebshots whatever. And on August

739
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,000
twenty sixth her mom said Madison got her head staples removed,

740
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,880
which had healed well, and she will have by now

741
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,400
received some imaging of her head. Sometime in September.

742
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:23,119
Speaker 2: Hope she's doing okay, yeah, me too.

743
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,319
Speaker 1: There was no other updates beyond that, so I'm not sure,

744
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:27,440
but it sounded like it was going as well as

745
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,160
it could. Yeah, yeah, as well as it can, right, Yeah,

746
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:33,400
So there were so many other bear stories to cover,

747
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,000
and I'm gonna save those for Patreon.

748
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,759
Speaker 2: You know. I felt like there was an uptick in

749
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,599
bear stories this year, and like multiple.

750
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,559
Speaker 1: Species, like a lot of black bear, some brown polar

751
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:44,960
bear stuff.

752
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: Did you really which always kind of gets me. I

753
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:50,359
was excited button, Oh yeah, Like I keep telling people

754
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,440
that I know about that. Yeah, Like I tell people

755
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,559
they're fucking crazier than tigers and then call me the

756
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:57,119
fucking talk shit. Yeah. I'm sure that's the only reason

757
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:57,599
they do that.

758
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: They're like, Wow, that Nick guy, he has one weird

759
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:01,799
take slot bears.

760
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have way more than one weird taking.

761
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the joke. It was sarcasms, all right.

762
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,360
So I teased this last one in the last episode

763
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,360
with Dan Floores, like towards the end of my interview

764
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,400
with him. But this incident occurred on August twenty sixth

765
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,760
in Marblehead, Massachusetts. Oh yeah, I believe I told you

766
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,440
about this one.

767
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: Maybe off air.

768
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was reported that a woman was jogging

769
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,920
and was bitten by a coyote. It occurred near Brown

770
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,159
Street on the Marblehead Neck, according to the police, and

771
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,599
it is next to a wildlife sanctuary, so they were like,

772
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,639
of course it must be a wild animal, right. So

773
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,440
this launched news reporters to go out and talk to

774
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,440
people and people are like, wow, so scary coyotes are

775
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,639
so dangerous blah blah blah, and animal control investigated somehow

776
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,079
and determined that the bite was from a coyote. The

777
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,800
woman was bit three times on the left, but was

778
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,039
otherwise fine and was able to get away good. People

779
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:05,800
in the area had mixed reviews, like oh my god,

780
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,440
this has never happened before, and some people were like, yeah,

781
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,880
they're definitely here. They're here all the time, Like well, yeah,

782
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,079
I'm always worried about that, which, of course, coyotes are

783
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:17,400
there all the time everywhere. Yes, they are. And I

784
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,800
think because it was near a wildlife sanctuary, people were

785
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,039
like a little up in arms about it, like, oh,

786
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,480
you know what I mean, Oh, it's a wild life

787
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,480
sing story, they're biting us.

788
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,039
Speaker 2: Oh, we're protected. This shit, just so are they going

789
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:28,760
to attack us?

790
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, it had run up behind her

791
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:33,039
and there were like people were saying like it was

792
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:37,159
so scary whatever. So the woman said it was a coyote,

793
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:40,920
and authorities were like, it probably had rabies. Let's just assume, right,

794
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:44,840
and because it occurred after four pm, but there was

795
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,480
it was still light out at the time, and she

796
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:49,639
said the animal, like the woman who's bitten said, it

797
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,800
appeared to be between like thirty and forty pounds, which.

798
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:55,559
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, okay, have a bigger coyote, they'd be.

799
00:35:55,519 --> 00:36:01,519
Speaker 1: Like mid the mid coyote. So what happened was see

800
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:03,280
what happened? It was it was a dog.

801
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: Oh what Yeah.

802
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: It was later confirmed that it was a dog. So

803
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,280
what really pissed me off though, is that, like you

804
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,119
can read an entire article and it's like going off

805
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:14,880
about coyotes and how they're dangerous whatnot.

806
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,519
Speaker 2: But I'm sure they made tons of articles about how

807
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:17,320
dangerous dogs are.

808
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: No, there was a little blip at the beginning that

809
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,320
just says the animal responsible for the bite was an

810
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,159
awf leash dog, not a coyote. The animal was contained,

811
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:25,159
it was not a threat to others.

812
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: And that's an edit made at the end of the

813
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,599
original article.

814
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: Right, that was an update made the day after it was.

815
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: I remember you bittered about this because it's like you

816
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,400
couldn't have written another article.

817
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, writing an article like, hey, we got it wrong.

818
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,280
Was actually a dog. Here's how many dog bites occur.

819
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: That's why I listened to Get Out Alive because we'll

820
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:42,880
tell you that dogs will fuck you up. Yeah, and

821
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,000
they are in your home, so don't be dumb, Like, don't.

822
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,159
Speaker 1: So don't let dogs in your home.

823
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: No, to be aware.

824
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, either way, Like, clearly this was like an isolated incident.

825
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,519
Speaker 2: But oh no, dog where you talk about dog TACs

826
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:58,920
happened every day everywhere, like dogs attack and kill people

827
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:00,519
all the time all the time.

828
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: Well, yes, but I'm saying the specific dog. It's not

829
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:04,440
like it was going on a rampage. It was just

830
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,840
like it's specific incident.

831
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's people before chasing instincts kicked in

832
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,679
when saw someone jogging, Like it's a fucking animal. These

833
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:14,639
things happen like they just get a switch flipped and

834
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:15,719
they fucking go after things.

835
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: So Morrell the story. If your dog bites people, keep

836
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:17,960
it on a leash.

837
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: If your dog bites people, just keep it on a leash, period,

838
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,159
don't tell anyone, and run away. It's kind that they'd

839
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:26,360
be put down like it's attacking.

840
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: See that's the thing. So like, would they have put

841
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,760
a coyote down to test it for rabies? But like

842
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,199
this dog, well, okay, that's stupid. I should know that

843
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,599
they would check to see if it was vaccinated against rabies.

844
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: That's true, Yeah, that would be the Yeah, it's not

845
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,599
to be like quarantine, but still still now that sucks. Yeah,

846
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,800
and then again like not correcting it, not giving proper information.

847
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,159
But I'd be safe around dogs dogs. It's also very important.

848
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,199
Yeah that allows gotcha. Though.

849
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: We have two episodes about dogs attacking people specifically, and

850
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,480
someone who is a world class expert on dogs killing

851
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,840
people just saying we got the credits. Can you believe? Sorry, tangent,

852
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,840
I know some of you hate this, but fuck.

853
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,679
Speaker 2: You don't care what I love the.

854
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:12,559
Speaker 1: Most tangents talk. It is crazy to me. Jim Crosby,

855
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,559
the fatal dog attack expert that we talked to, If

856
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,280
it was not for him, I wouldn't be doing the

857
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,840
master's degree I'm doing. He literally helped me get into

858
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:22,639
my master's christ.

859
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? Really is? Yeah? Sometimes I forget about that.

860
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,880
I'm like, wow, thanks Jim, you're kind of cool. He's

861
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,679
kind of cool. He's very cool. Yeah, don't way cooler

862
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:33,679
than us? Absolutely due that guy's have that. He's done

863
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:34,039
some ship.

864
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there are so many more stories to cover,

865
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,679
especially about bears. But this last story that I want

866
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,320
to talk about was the most recent one, and it

867
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,199
also brings us back to rabies again. Sixty year old

868
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,840
Liah Senang was an art teacher at Bryant Middle School

869
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,519
in Dos Polos, California. One morning in mid October, Leah

870
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:57,480
found a bat in her classroom.

871
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: Do you understand where this is going?

872
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,159
Speaker 1: Luckily it was before students had arrived, and she wanted

873
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:05,280
to help it back outside, so she scooped it up

874
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,920
and took it outside.

875
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: With like, you know, a pail or something, or you know,

876
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:13,400
papers to cover her hands, or you know, just making

877
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,039
sure it's not like skin in contact to this wild animal. No,

878
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,159
that commonly carries a lot of diseases. No.

879
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: Lee's friends Sala was probably unsure if the bat had

880
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,880
just scratched her or bitten her, but thought nothing of

881
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,400
it as the bat flew off when it got outside.

882
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,519
Speaker 2: Good for her for saving the bat.

883
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, No, very nice, right, yes, yes, yes.

884
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,199
She went about her day as normal, but later told

885
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:42,440
her daughter about what had happened. But in November, Leah

886
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,760
began to get sick, to the point that her daughter

887
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,719
took her to the hospital. On November eighteenth, she was

888
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,800
placed into a medically induced coma. Oh no, but died

889
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,519
four days later.

890
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: Oh.

891
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: So, we've talked about Raby's quite a bit on this

892
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,920
podcast in general. You've done multiple episodes on it specifically,

893
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,360
and we know that the most infamous woman who has

894
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,440
survived rabies was put in a coma and survived. Clearly, Yes,

895
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,719
I'm sure that's what they were trying to do here,

896
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:12,360
but a month had passed, so I think it was

897
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:16,000
way too long. And of course, if you know anything

898
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,320
about rabies, when you start showing symptoms, it's yeah, it's done.

899
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,760
So I think what happened here was because they're bites,

900
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,440
like the puncture wounds are so small, tiny teeth and

901
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:31,760
they have little, tiny claws, so if they scratch you

902
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,199
might not even know it. I'm sure it did bite

903
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:37,239
her because just scratching you. I'd be very surprised if

904
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,599
that transmitted it. Yeah, you need saliva, but that's why

905
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:43,360
we tell you. Like, you know, if you wake up

906
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,440
in the middle of the night and there's been a

907
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,559
bat flying in your room, you should absolutely go to

908
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:48,400
the hospital and get raby shots. Yeah, I mean confer

909
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,159
with the doctor. I'm not a medical professional. This is

910
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:55,840
not medical advice, but yeah, like, ask your doctor. But

911
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,760
I always err on the side of caution. Like their

912
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:00,920
teeth are so small you would not be able to

913
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,599
see the bites. So just it's better to get the

914
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,360
shots and pay however much money for it, then die

915
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,440
of rabies. It's not a cool death.

916
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,039
Speaker 2: It sucks. If you find a bat in your home,

917
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:14,039
should you kill the bat and take it somewhere to

918
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:15,159
be tested for rabies?

919
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,119
Speaker 1: No, no, unless it bite somebody. If it bites someone,

920
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,639
then capture it, yep, and have it tested.

921
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: Sure that's going to have to be killed, well, yeah.

922
00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: But a professional will do it. It's fair, Yeah, because

923
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,320
you need its brainstem, so don't mess up the brainstem to.

924
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't spash its head.

925
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,599
Speaker 1: But like I've had a bat in my house before,

926
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,599
and luckily we had a room at the time that

927
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:42,239
we were like redoing. So I managed to like herd

928
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,360
it into that room and I opened the window and

929
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,320
like open the screen, shut the door. Woke up the

930
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,079
next morning and the bat had left.

931
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:50,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's.

932
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: Perfectly what you should do. You don't need to beat

933
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:55,639
it with a tennis racket whatever. You don't need to

934
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:58,079
handle it. There are ways to also, like get it

935
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:01,639
outside without touching it with your bear skin. Like when

936
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:03,400
I was hurting it around my house, I had a

937
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,519
motorcycle helmet on, a full jacket and pants. It was

938
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:09,480
like the middle of summer was so hot. But I

939
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:10,800
was like, this is not going to touch me. And

940
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,719
I'm vaccinated against rabies, so I was like whatever.

941
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: But but still still yeah, yeah, it can never be

942
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,480
too careful.

943
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Speaker 1: So Leah's friend of fifteen years said, quote, she was

944
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:22,039
a lover of life. She spent a lot of time

945
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,119
in the mountains where her mother lived. She loved to

946
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:28,079
explore the world. She's a great explorer. She leaves behind

947
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:30,519
a husband and a daughter, and her death is the

948
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,800
first one involving rabies in Fresno County in thirty two years.

949
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,039
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's that sucks. That sucks.

950
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,039
Speaker 1: It's never great.

951
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,159
Speaker 2: No, And when you're trying to do something good, do

952
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:40,760
something good.

953
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's an art teacher for kids at a middle school.

954
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 2: Think she got the bat up before the kids showed up. Yeah,

955
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,440
not that the bat would have for any reason bitten

956
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,280
any of them, but just in general, if a.

957
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,679
Speaker 1: Kid runs up and touches a bat, yeah, a kid absolutely.

958
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:55,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know.

959
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: So a point too, is like, the only rabies deaths

960
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,039
that happened in America anymore with humans is really from

961
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:07,440
people not getting medical care. If you handle a wild

962
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,039
animal that is a mammal, that is a rabies vector.

963
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: Species, just ask somebody. Just be safe.

964
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: There's not many people that die from rabies each year,

965
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,719
but don't be one of them.

966
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: Is it safe to assume that's fully eradicated anywhere like

967
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:23,559
in the United States?

968
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not, that's fly.

969
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: I just want to make sure.

970
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to check even in the ocean, you're

971
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:29,559
never safe.

972
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,159
Speaker 2: I love if you're encountering a mammal in the ocean. Yeah,

973
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,159
what's going.

974
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,079
Speaker 1: On, Nick Orcas.

975
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not a lot of orchid taxes here too.

976
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:43,480
There has been a lot like encounters.

977
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: Like yeah, but that's been ongoing.

978
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and which we did touch on last year too.

979
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:48,480
We did.

980
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: I actually do have to talk about Orcas in the

981
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,119
bonus episode on Patreon.

982
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

983
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a new fashion statement they've been doing that.

984
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,519
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to watch out, Patty.

985
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:09,119
Speaker 1: Well, that's all I have for a tax for our

986
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:10,119
main feed, PEP.

987
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: It's fun.

988
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: Nick, What are your goals for twenty twenty five?

989
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:16,519
Speaker 2: So you told me to think about this earlier?

990
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:18,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, right before we started recording. I said, Nick, think

991
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:22,119
about this, but don't like let it ruin the podcast,

992
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,480
like think about it in the background.

993
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't have the ability to do that. I don't.

994
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:29,800
I don't know, So I got you know, we're both

995
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,079
working on new jobs right now. So I'm hoping to,

996
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,079
you know, find a new job. Hopefully the one that

997
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:37,360
I'm looking at now works out. That'd be really cool. Yeah,

998
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,199
but no, just keep growing, keep keep doing things. I

999
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,559
want to get better at golf. Yeah. Hey, that's like,

1000
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:44,400
you know, it's like my only hobby and that's twenty

1001
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,199
of time and I can't do it and it sucks. Yeah,

1002
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,280
so now I want to do it more.

1003
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,559
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to do wild life photography.

1004
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: Oh if we do want to do that and we

1005
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,039
can post them on Patreon two be really cool. I

1006
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:55,599
actually so I want to. I have a few, have

1007
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,719
some decent photographs. I think I have great pictures. Yeah,

1008
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,159
I want to get them printed out of it, put

1009
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:02,320
them up because I have like zero decorations my apartment

1010
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:03,639
except for Christma stuff.

1011
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: Ibstually do that.

1012
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

1013
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know, if you've been

1014
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,480
able to find Nick on any social media, it's literally

1015
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:11,639
just pictures that he's taken of, like the night sky

1016
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:12,360
in California.

1017
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,079
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't know if I have my

1018
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:16,920
best ones up there. I have a fees yeah anyway.

1019
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So we have some pictures on the website,

1020
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:20,559
like the one of the black Bear in you seventy

1021
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:20,880
you took.

1022
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I like that, like that one. Yeah. Once

1023
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,800
I want to get back into well for Wileife photography.

1024
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,920
That'd be cool. Yeah. Yeah.

1025
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: And we always have goals, like we want to go

1026
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,679
to a band so bad we want to go I

1027
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:33,360
personally want to.

1028
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: Go cage diving with sharks. That's that's the goal. But

1029
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,440
I need to look into that more. Absolutely do that.

1030
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:40,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I have some things like that that I

1031
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:41,840
want to do. I mean, I also need to finish

1032
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,039
my tattoo sleeve next year, yea, at some point, and

1033
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:46,719
then I'm also starting I got.

1034
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,119
Speaker 2: Offered my dream job. That's dude, it's so cool.

1035
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm really excited.

1036
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: It's cool.

1037
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: I accepted it literally this week or the week before.

1038
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,239
We're recording on a Sunday, is that technically the last week? Whatever,

1039
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,519
it doesn't matter. I accepted my dream job. I'm gonna

1040
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:02,480
be training animals at a.

1041
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 2: Zoom that is really it's not just zoo.

1042
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I don't want to say specifically

1043
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,960
right now, but it's got a very important place to me.

1044
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: And if you, I mean, if you follow me on

1045
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,559
social media, you're gonna think, yes, very excited. Yeah.

1046
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, So that being said, that means that in

1047
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:30,960
twenty five I'm gonna be pausing Patreon. Yeah, so you

1048
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:33,960
can still follow us for free there and I'll post

1049
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,199
like intermittent updates and we'll leave the one dollar tier

1050
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,679
open and post stuff to that sometime. It'll basically be

1051
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:43,000
like a tip jar if you want to like support

1052
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:44,920
us financially a little bit. I don't want to make

1053
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,280
you all pay like a huge amount, and then if

1054
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,079
you already are subscribed, I'm just gonna pause it. That way,

1055
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:53,039
you can still access all the backlog of bonus episodes

1056
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:55,039
and stuff like that, of course. Yeah, and I'll still

1057
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,800
put on the one dollar feed and whatever else, like

1058
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,920
add free episodes on Patreon as well.

1059
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:02,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we should still everyone small jump.

1060
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,559
Speaker 1: In the Yeah, and just I'll update people and like

1061
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:07,039
where I'm at with my new job. But yeah, so

1062
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,880
it I just there's so many things, I like, as

1063
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,599
we were just talking about, I'm starting a new job,

1064
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:14,039
and I really need to finish my master's degree, and

1065
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:16,039
I'm going to have like some other life things going

1066
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:16,760
on next year.

1067
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 2: So I just it was just too much to do

1068
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,719
all of it. Yeah, so you have a lot going on,

1069
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:26,679
and I want to golf more. I live a good life.

1070
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's it. I thank you all so much

1071
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,519
for everything this year. I know there was a distinct

1072
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:35,079
lack of nick this year that a lot of you

1073
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:35,840
kept asking.

1074
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 2: Me about You've been for the best. You've been here

1075
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:38,559
a few times.

1076
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it hasn't been like you've been absent fully no, Yeah.

1077
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:43,119
Speaker 2: That was never the intention.

1078
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, but golf's important to him.

1079
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: The work shift doesn't help. Yeah, that was the bigger issue,

1080
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:55,599
is scheduling stuff that thinks that we're no longer friends

1081
00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:59,679
and you know, there's some thing that happened. Yeah, I'm tired. No.

1082
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. For those of you who don't know, Nick works

1083
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,760
from like what two pm to two am?

1084
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: See this schedule time is two thirty in the afternoon

1085
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:08,840
till one in the morning. It's more than that, Yeah,

1086
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:09,800
every day, so.

1087
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,039
Speaker 1: Which would mean if we're recording, it's either on the weekend,

1088
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:14,880
so he has like at least half a day dedicated

1089
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,159
to this or in the mornings, yeah, or in the

1090
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:19,920
mornings before he goes to work. I'm tired and he's

1091
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,440
barely slept. So that's why Nick was absent. And then

1092
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,039
I just feel like, you know, if I'm interviewing someone,

1093
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:25,079
you know, I.

1094
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: Don't add a lot. You've you've been fine, you've done great.

1095
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:29,599
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks a lot.

1096
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: I'm very happy to jump in when I do, but

1097
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,320
bless me is usually better according to some people.

1098
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,679
Speaker 1: So thank you all so much for listening. If you

1099
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,360
want to find the links that I mentioned in the episode,

1100
00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:43,400
you can check out the episode description, where you can

1101
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,679
also figure out where to follow us on social media,

1102
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,599
you can check out our website, Get a lifepodcast dot

1103
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:53,239
com for merch with our new logo on it. Go

1104
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,000
on Patreon. You can follow us for free and get

1105
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,400
just like general life updates from me if you care

1106
00:48:57,519 --> 00:48:59,599
or like podcast updates as they happen. That's where we

1107
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:02,079
update things the most and post the most, probably on

1108
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,960
all of our social media's. Thank you so much to

1109
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:09,360
my good friend and second grade husband, Joshua Walsh for

1110
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,679
making this dang beautiful intro music and transition music. And

1111
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,239
thank you to his brother Jesse for just being at

1112
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,639
my beck and call this year.

1113
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,519
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of work to do with this.

1114
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:22,679
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of work to do with this one.

1115
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: I was my fault. Yeah, it was me. I'm not

1116
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:28,559
even gonna lie.

1117
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: Nick messed up my coffee order, so I'm sorry.

1118
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:35,079
Speaker 2: Thank you for picking up all the food. You're welcome.

1119
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, So thanks Jesse, Thank you all. We love you all.

1120
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:40,599
That's it. Happy New Year.