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<v Speaker 1>What do you need to know today? Future of America

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<v Speaker 1>you could all change. Keep up with life. One fifty

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<v Speaker 2>AFI the thikive Ove KRCD talk Station. Ryan Thomas here,

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<v Speaker 2>wishing everyone a very happy Friday. Hope you have some

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful plans for the weekend. Bottom of the hour, Jeff Baker,

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<v Speaker 2>who's running for Hamlin County Treasure, is gonna be on

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<v Speaker 2>the program. And right now I am so pleased to

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to the fifty five cars mornage. It's been years

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<v Speaker 2>and years. Welcome back former police chief of the City

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<v Speaker 2>of Cincinnati and of course former police chief for Detroit

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<v Speaker 2>Police Department, James Craig. Good to have you back on

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<v Speaker 2>the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Brian, glad to be. How's everything, Sincy. I see

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like your weather's it's a little warmer in

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<v Speaker 1>sensity and it's here in Detroit.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, Justice goes. It's beautiful weather we have. We've

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<v Speaker 2>been enjoying some really nice fall temperatures, so I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>I'm enjoy a while at last, because you can just

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<v Speaker 2>feel winter creeping in.

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<v Speaker 1>It.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you enjoying. It's not necessarily retirement with just

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<v Speaker 2>before we dive into some of the issues that are

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<v Speaker 2>plaguing America. How have things been, what he been up

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<v Speaker 2>to this since you stepped down as chief of the

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit Police Department.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, as you probably know, Brian, once I retired from

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<v Speaker 1>the Detroit Police Department, I launched a bid and started

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<v Speaker 1>a campaign ran for governor here in the great state

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<v Speaker 1>of Michigan, and certainly that was that was the first

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<v Speaker 1>time I've been involved in politics. But the good news

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<v Speaker 1>was I was certainly on the Republican ticket. I was

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<v Speaker 1>leading in the polls up until myself and several others

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<v Speaker 1>we got taken off the ballot because some individuals put

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<v Speaker 1>far as signatures on our petition.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I recall that. That was a shame, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a shame. And the good news is there's

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<v Speaker 1>a bright light in it is that the individuals responsible

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<v Speaker 1>have been prosecuted and so we're in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>a trial right now. So that's the good part. But unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a good run, a lot of momentum behind

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<v Speaker 1>our candidacy, and I was just so pleased with the

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<v Speaker 1>response from the state of Michigan. So you know, next

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<v Speaker 1>steps not certain yet, but I'm always open.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll live to fight another day. That's it. We'll find

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<v Speaker 2>you out there somewhere going to run for some office.

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<v Speaker 2>I guarantee it, and probably be up with great success.

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<v Speaker 1>You were.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously we had great luck with you as

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<v Speaker 2>police chief here in the city of Cincinnati. Somebody may

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<v Speaker 2>be out there, so we knew it was. But between

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eleven and twenty thirteen, you were a police chief

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<v Speaker 2>here and crime rate was at its lowest in over

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<v Speaker 2>a decade under your leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I love the city of Cincinnati. I

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<v Speaker 1>speak finally as my other home, as I'd like to say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a beautiful place, great community, great sports town. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still pulling for the Bengals so long as they don't

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<v Speaker 1>play the Lions, get it. I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're tough on crime, you always have been. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>what do you make of this? So, I mean we're

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<v Speaker 2>going over a long period of time here from the

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<v Speaker 2>original you know, riots and defund the police efforts of

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<v Speaker 2>Black Lives Matter movement like but every city who has

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<v Speaker 2>engaged in that exercise has turned its opposite direction, realizing

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<v Speaker 2>what an utter active stupidity to get rid of the

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement members and also at the same time continually

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<v Speaker 2>disparage and degrade them and denigrate them to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where nobody wants to be a police officer anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, but I've not seen you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been seeing anything like it. You know, I've worked through

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<v Speaker 1>the Rodney King incident out in Los Angeles. I was

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<v Speaker 1>a sergeant at the time. I saw that unfold, and

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<v Speaker 1>I would tell you even then the aftermath, there was

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<v Speaker 1>unrest in Last Angeles, but by and large the community

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<v Speaker 1>still supported the police. And then we fast forward to

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<v Speaker 1>post George Floyd and the cities that burned. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it was an orchestrated effort, and sadly there are some

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<v Speaker 1>elected officials who turned to buy and I to it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you've heard the saying this is the summer

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<v Speaker 1>of love. And it was shameful to watch mayors, to

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<v Speaker 1>watch police chiefs stand by and watch the police officers detegrated.

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<v Speaker 1>In one case I think was I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it was out in Washington, Sat Washington literally made police

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<v Speaker 1>officers leave the station and took over what they call it,

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of zone. I mean, who does that and

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<v Speaker 1>allows that. And the thing I'm certainly the most proud

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<v Speaker 1>of hearing Detroit. We were one of the major cities

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<v Speaker 1>that did not burn. Now, certainly we had pro at nightly,

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<v Speaker 1>there were efforts made by the individuals that came out,

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<v Speaker 1>but by and large, no looting, no burning. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>people know what's different about Detroit Because everybody thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the first city to burn would probably be Detroit because

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<v Speaker 1>of our history. It didn't happen. And it didn't happen

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<v Speaker 1>because of leadership. You know. I drew a very farm

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<v Speaker 1>line that saying that you know what, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>a peaceful protest, we support that, but if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to commit crimes, no tolerance, zero talents to that. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a mayor who support what I was doing,

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<v Speaker 1>unlike in some of these other cities were mayors basically,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these folks were entitled this, you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>summer of love and evicting police officers from a police station. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was. It was sad. And I blame

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<v Speaker 1>because I've had a chance to talk about this on

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<v Speaker 1>a national level with other police departments. I said, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>the police chief, you know, you just want to protect

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<v Speaker 1>and serve and if your mayor, who has a responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>as well to protect and serve, rejects that responsibility, then

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta do what you got to do. And if

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<v Speaker 1>it means getting fired, if it means that you resign,

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<v Speaker 1>so be it. And it was just a sad day.

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<v Speaker 1>And it seems like those things that happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>summer of twenty twenty just didn't matter. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 1>was an organized effort, and I don't think the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government has ever really looked into who was behind it,

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<v Speaker 1>because there were very similar aspects of these riots. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>individuals that came from other places who came and embedded

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<v Speaker 1>in the protest, and that was what ignited a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the riots. They came here to Detroit. Yes, Sir,

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<v Speaker 1>came from far aways California, small group, but they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get a stronghold in Detroit. And I also command the

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<v Speaker 1>community here and so but yeah, even Grand Rappids here

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<v Speaker 1>in Michigan, a very conservative city that you would never

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<v Speaker 1>have thought that would have happened. And yes, what they

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<v Speaker 1>had riots who Grand rapets Michigan, So.

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<v Speaker 2>But not Detroit, not Detroit under leadership of Chief Craig.

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<v Speaker 2>And I understand you. You also duked it out metaphorically

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<v Speaker 2>with judges because they were soft on crime, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>no bonds or owned recognizance bonds for you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty dangerous defendants who got plea agreements that didn't work

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<v Speaker 2>and didn't amount to Jack's squad as as well. And

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<v Speaker 2>you're outspoken critic on that. So you know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>something that's very important to the City of Cincinnati right

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<v Speaker 2>now because we do have some very woke judges on

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<v Speaker 2>the bench and we're in jeopardy of losing. Are very

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<v Speaker 2>strict on our tough on crime prosecutor Hamilton County prosecuting

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<v Speaker 2>Melissa Powers. So I always encourage people to vote for Powers,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, we're facing a real problem here. How

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<v Speaker 2>did you deal with the sort of the woke liberal

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<v Speaker 2>judges and maybe prosecutors in Detroit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, as you point out, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>use my bullet pool pit. I call them out, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I call them out because you know, where's the accountability

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<v Speaker 1>for the judges, Where's the accountability for the prosecutors who

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<v Speaker 1>decide to not do their job. They have a responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>as well. So I can tell you Canada, I probably

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a friend to some of the judges. There were

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<v Speaker 1>some that supported me, and you know, I was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people in communities look at the police first when crime

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<v Speaker 1>goes up, and they don't look at judges, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>look at prosecutors. They look at the police. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I understand the accountability and being responsible to keep

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<v Speaker 1>the city safe. But it's a team effort. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you have woke judges and what prosecutores to decide that

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<v Speaker 1>there gonna be no consequences, guess what crime is gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at what's happening around the country. Now, you know

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<v Speaker 1>the gas lighting that's been going on with this open border,

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<v Speaker 1>people that say the border is not open seriously. And

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<v Speaker 1>then what about fentonyl poisoning. See, I don't call it overdose,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a crime. These cartels bringing drugs in two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred plus a day in our country died because of

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<v Speaker 1>sentin Off poisoning. And so where's a sense of urgency?

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<v Speaker 1>And so you got politicals that stand up in gaslight,

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<v Speaker 1>American public that oh, we're doing everything we can to

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<v Speaker 1>secure the border. Comedy show A comedy show it is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm glad you're able to find humor and

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<v Speaker 2>that's sometimes the only thing that can get me through

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<v Speaker 2>a day. I listen and I just my mouth falls

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<v Speaker 2>open in awe of the nerve that they have to

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<v Speaker 2>ignore the realities of the open border. You were really

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<v Speaker 2>an issue. You had a lot of programs to cut

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<v Speaker 2>gang membership in Detroit as police chief make I mean

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<v Speaker 2>again going to the open border. They have this trade,

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<v Speaker 2>the Aragua gang that just seems to have shown up overnight.

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<v Speaker 2>They're taking over entire buildings with their gang activity. They

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<v Speaker 2>have invaded multiple cities. They are an organized crime gang.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you know, thanks to the open board.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sadly, we shouldn't be surprised. I mean the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Venzuela has emptied out the prisons and they're coming

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<v Speaker 1>to America. Where do we think they're going to come

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<v Speaker 1>to American be boy Scott. No, they're committing bond crime

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<v Speaker 1>and it's blatant because they know there's no consequences. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go to America because there's no consequences. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>not reflective of every place in the country. Certainly there

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<v Speaker 1>are places that do it better, have a no tolerance

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<v Speaker 1>like in the Great State of Texas. You know, no

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<v Speaker 1>tolerance of Florida, for example. And so it's a battle.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's sad about this People who are elected to

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<v Speaker 1>serve who do they work for? You know, they make

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<v Speaker 1>these broad statements that you know, especially when you go

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<v Speaker 1>in the black community where they don't like the police,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want the police. That's not true. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>I've worked in many different cities, you know, Cincinnati community,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in vulnerable communities where crime is high. They want good,

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<v Speaker 1>effective policing. They do City Detroit, same thing, Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 1>no different. They want the police. But these folks that

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<v Speaker 1>get elected, they just who they work for, not the people.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing that we have to keep driving

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<v Speaker 1>home what's most important, and it is really having safe

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<v Speaker 1>and secure communities. And it's possible, but if there's no

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<v Speaker 1>concert sequences. Yeah, I'm on national TV a lot talking

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, just climb in general, and it's I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm a broken record, and who's listening. So

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<v Speaker 1>I hope folks understand our futures at stay with the

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<v Speaker 1>election is a couple of weeks away, Yes, sir, we

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<v Speaker 1>need to do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe you are right, sir, And more and more people,

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<v Speaker 2>I think are waking up to the reality that with

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<v Speaker 2>any if you notice, and I know you have, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>because you pay so close, so close attention, the matters political.

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<v Speaker 2>But it seems that Kamala Harris and many of even

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrat senators are literally running away from what they

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<v Speaker 2>have firmly stood for for a long time, including Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris for example, like defunding the police and funding organizations

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<v Speaker 2>that help bail out real dangerous people from jail. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we know that that's a fact. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a fact. So if you want a better, safer neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you need to vote Trump and the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 2>And congratulations then thanks very much former Chief Craig for

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<v Speaker 2>being such a supporter of the Second Amendment. I know

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<v Speaker 2>you've gotten some criticisms, but more citizens with guns mean

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<v Speaker 2>lower crime. The word gets out in the criminal element.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, he's got a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess he sounds like he took the quote when

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<v Speaker 1>I was out on the cover of the NRA magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, law inbibing citizens, Yes, who are armed can

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<v Speaker 1>and do make a difference and reduce some violid crime.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a fact. Now the one who criticized me

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<v Speaker 1>the most said he has never heard a major city

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<v Speaker 1>police chief come out and make a ridiculous statement like that,

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<v Speaker 1>And that was former President Obama. I took the criticism

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<v Speaker 1>as a badge of honor. Amen.

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<v Speaker 2>Truth to power is exactly what you did with that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I could talk to you all day. I wish you

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<v Speaker 2>the best of luck whichever direction you end up going,

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<v Speaker 2>James Craig, I know that you will be a success

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<v Speaker 2>at it, and you're always welcome to come back and

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<v Speaker 2>visit city of Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely, I love the city, Love Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you did take care of my friend. Take

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<v Speaker 2>care okay, you too, eight nineteen at fifty five Garasenei

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<v Speaker 2>Talk Station. Appreciate it. I guess Christopher Smith can help

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<v Speaker 2>arrange that. Joe and I want to give a shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to Christopher for for doing that. It's good to

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<v Speaker 2>hear James Craig's voice after such a long time. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be great to hear Jeff Baker's voice. He's

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<v Speaker 2>running for Hamilon County Treasure He's going to be in

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<v Speaker 2>studio at the bottom of the hour. Looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>have him on the program. Stay right here at fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five KRSD talk

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<v Speaker 1>Station fifty five krc this November