Speaker 1: Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Gimmick,
your first episode of December, last episode of twenty twenty.
It might be we'll see, we'll see. The next episode
is we'll see. But I am, as always the Canadian
Nightmare trest now and I'm joined by a man that
I am very sad for. Justice for Stu. David.
Speaker 2: How's it going going Goodmmin?
Speaker 3: Stu got robbed of his opportunity to make his impact
on John Cena's last match, so justice for Stue.
Speaker 1: I could not. But there's a lot of things I
couldn't believe last night. That was one of them. Of
just I wonder if he said anything, because I know
that John c did this whole weird apology tour where
he's like, oh, I didn't tell the office he was
doing the age entrance thing, and I just didn't want
to make anyone mad night. That was a mistake. It's
like he should have learned that. But like that, that
was so egregious. I hope they like post edited after
the fact, but yeah, I was so annoyed. I just
felt like just go. It felt very much like the
Kevin Dunn era. But uh, yeah, it's weird the stuff.
But we were joined by real heat brother, the man
who's been getting leeching tons of points off of John
Cena's last run. S Bubs, how you doing today?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I how do you feel now? Your point getter
John Cena officially retired? Obviously he's only gonna give you
a goose egg for a little bit, but uh, you
know you gotta replace him, I guess now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I think so far, I did the draft
points so far, and I think my new picks are
definitely doing a lot better than everyone I had before.
Speaker 1: So for people that don't watch the video, it just
looks like s pub says the background of seeing punk
and Cody putting the title on scene it but it
just looks like they're putting it on like their whole mass,
Bubs by the back of the head or something. But yeah,
primarily that's what we're gonna talk about today. Obviously, mostly
we're gonna start off with see his last match. We'll
talk about overall Sorry Nights to Man, and then and
then just some other ww B NXT stuff we'll touch
upon on aw World end a little bit, and then
the C two because yeah, we're gonna figure that out
because obviously the World's endpay Review is always a shitty
spot the day after Blox Day, the twenty seven, So
we'll see.
Speaker 4: When we get to that weekend.
Speaker 1: Maybe if it lines up, maybe we'll do something like
the twenty eighth, like the Sunday, But if it doesn't,
we'll do it in the new year, and then, as
we've said before, the New Year will catch up on
Gmode as well.
Speaker 4: There'll be a couple months.
Speaker 1: We'll do two episodes that because we got to finish
the season. But yeah, that's kind of the plan. So
whether it might be the last week of December or
first week of January, lookout, that's and we'll talk about
worlds End and whatever else is going on. W we'll
see because let's see the Yeah, the raw shows the fifth, right,
so that's kind of too far, So yeah, we'll probably
have something in between that. But yeah, we're here today
to talk about I ain't calling him the goat. I'm
not doing this whole revisionist history thing. And i know
they're trying to push that, and I guarantee you just
watch when Roman Rains retires, they're gonna do the same thing.
Because Johnsen has already been like, well, I can consider
Rome Rains to be the goat, so I feel like it's.
Speaker 4: A whoever is the booker, whoever is the era?
Speaker 1: Like that's who is the current goat and then we
move belong right, But we did get that yes during
day So I guess we'll just start with the overalls.
I'll ask you, David, what do you think overall the show,
and then after we will talk about seeing this match
firston'll goal individually, but overall as far as far as
the event, obviously, it was a four match card kind
of similar to pl E. They other than like the
announcing stand, they kind of dropped out all the sun
nights may event like classic retro stuff. So how do
you feel about this event overall? Before we get to
the one by one?
Speaker 3: Overall, I feel like it was a very predictable pl
Like everything as it was happening, it kind of felt like,
all right, I see where they're going with each one's
It was kind of easy to predict the endings to matches,
but there were some good matches sprinkled within the predictability
of it. And then it comes to the ending, and
you know they always say it's how you leave them
going home that they'll remember and I'm definitely going to
remember how they left me going home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about us bubs?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I enjoyed the show, and i'd say for the matches, well,
i'd say I like, get more.
Speaker 6: Now it's only.
Speaker 5: On Peacock with the Doctor, aren't the commercial breaks between
the matches, Because even in person, like because I went
to one of the Saturday nights to main events, and
like when they went to commercial, it was like, well,
it's like, well, you know, the match is ending, Like I.
Speaker 6: Remember it was like the tag match.
Speaker 5: It was like Seth and bron versus like.
Speaker 4: Like Samon, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: And so they were working over Sammy is like, well
they're not gonna hot tag punkin until the end of
those commercial.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, so I liked it more.
Speaker 5: I've I've been liking it more in that way where
it's kind of just like a normal plea now pretty much.
And as for the final match, I did really like
the final match and and and I liked the ending,
so I was I was it's been funny looking at
all the people online.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited to get to that because it's been
it's been It's definitely I think they will know why
event and I'll talk about but definitely is cycling something
that's happened before as far as just like the reaction
to it. But yeah, the show overall, I'm the opposite
end where I pretty much I hated the show like
it's it is like the fl but man, just the
amount of downtime we had. There was just this one
sequence where the match and like okay, and now we're
going to johnsona's last match, and then they go to
Stephan Joe. That's like okay, they talk and they showed
john scene a tribute video and theny go back to
Stephan Joe and I'm just sitting here. I'm just like,
I'm just cycling. I'm spinning out. I cannot believe like
how many times we gotta go to and like Stephan
Jordan there there's I love Stephan McMahon. I don't think
her and Joe have any chemistry whatsoever. It's so like
I'm not I'm not saying that's on Steph or Joe.
I just think they aren't a great pairing. So it
just feels very robotic effect. I'm having no fun at there,
at least with Jesse, which I agree that they should
not have him on the main proadcast because he just
says shit they don't want. But at least it was like, well,
what's he gonna say? Right, But this is just it
feels awkward. And even the tributes throughout the show were
We're fine, but they just felt very just like sound clippy.
I wish there's a couple more longer emotional ones. I
don't need to be like a Johnson a Dead tribute show,
but just something a bit more. And like I hate
the celebrities with their jokes, like Peyton Manning was my
favorite quarterbacks, Like I hope you know they don't play
your music at them all. It's like we bumped this
for somebody else, Like we can't have like anybody doing stuff. Yeah,
I think I guess we go in the other matches.
The other matches, I think we're all. I liked Coda Coda,
I like Ova and Cody a lot, but they did
the trope that I hate, so that brought all down.
Uh Bailey and sol Ruco was really good and then
the tag I thought was very entertaining, but I thought
it was a lot shorter than I was expecting. I
thought they're gonna let him go a little bit crazy
for sure. Yeah, so everything kind of knew.
Speaker 5: Sure when they did like like the Leon Slater like
jump over the corner of the post, he.
Speaker 1: Does that, like that's like it's his shoulder blocks.
Speaker 6: Like he does that, he throws, Okay.
Speaker 5: I don't know that ring and he does the four
fifty like that's his sequence of the match.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and even Barley.
Speaker 1: So we will get there. But at the beginning I
thought it was like a little clunky, but they got
there and then the the final match, which we'll get into. Now.
Speaker 4: I am with I'm with.
Speaker 1: Some people where and I'm with us Bubbs, and I'm
not sure I think David's with us too, but.
Speaker 4: I I'm a supporter of the finish.
Speaker 1: I can't believe this because I've been very, like many people,
very critical Triple H's retirement to where I think a
lot of it's been not good. I think we're in
Triple H's like really low period right now. But just
for the gimmick, I'm wearing a nice O eight Triple
H shirt that I can fit again now that I've.
Speaker 4: Lost some weight.
Speaker 1: I it's so interesting because I feel like the reaction
to this is very similar to the streak ending. It
felt because I feel like.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say just for for something I found funny,
is that like the tweet from the ww account of
like John Cena has retired, Yeah, like three hundred and
fifty thousand likes, and then a tweet calling for Triple
H to be killed has like one hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah, And that's that's the thing. That's where
like everything I've seen, because I'm gonna tell this draws
totally more like people with scoopers and people with this stuff.
It's not that serious. As we've said before, there are
so many wrestling promotions. And that's how I got back
into New Japan. Like whenever twenty nineteen or twenty like
eighteen seventeen, when the product was his Dog Shit, I
like tapped out on New Japan and I went back
into it, and then I've watched you know, the lead
in then aw was there. That's where it's like forever everybody,
it's like either you don't watch weekly or you.
Speaker 4: Can just do other stuff.
Speaker 1: We don't need to be talking about killing drivel age
for like this, and this is what we're the weird think.
It's just like I, I guess it's it's a new
crop of fans, but I can't even say that because
that supposed as a newer fan, and I think there
are people that like it. I think I understood what
the Undertaker one, as far as I think you can
always debate with the streak should and it should have
not ended, right, I can understand that. I do think
the biggest complaint better match least well, absolutely yeah he
could cut yeah, and he wasn't gonna cut yeah, And
I was there live and that was brutal, right, But
even I think the bigger argument with the the Taker
thing is they chose the wrong guy, right, which even
with Lesler take out the real life stuff for that year,
it did heat him up. But you could have made
an argument that maybe, yeah, eventually a couple of years later,
the big dog beats him and maybe you should just
saved it with this.
Speaker 4: I don't have.
Speaker 1: That because it's just and that's I'm very happy the
way the match went, because I was worried the first
five minutes of the match is good the wrestling him,
and the first move scene hits is the shoulder block,
and I was like, oh my, Like for I think
it was about the first seven to eight minutes. All
seen a hit was just signature moves. He hit the shoulder,
he did the five moves of do him twice, he
did the the fu, he did the attitude, or he
did the STF. So I was like, oh my God,
like Scenea's just doing this. So I was happy that
it did evolve because I was really worried it was
just gonna be power bomb f you power like like.
And then we got to the end, We got to
the middle where going through was taking some big spots
as well, like off the table, which I HiT's weird thing.
I can't remember who else did this. There used to
be somebody. I think it's Bobby last year. Whenever he
gets German, he always like turns to the right, and
Gundu was doing that last night. Anytime he got a eight,
he kept like trying to like land on his shoulder.
I don't know why, don't do like. I was worried,
especially the table spot. He landed right on the side
and he's going there. But so the match, the match evolved,
and then we got this moment where Sena tapped out,
and yeah, I was four it because I understand people
that are big fans and love. Maybe we'll talk about
this a little bit too. But like with Sina, when
I couldn't find the picture, I have a picture from
SummerSlam O five when he was getting booed, but I
was there. I was rocking. I bought myself the chain
gay necklets, like I had a huge John Cena fran
from three to six and then he got he dropped
the wrapper stuff and got very cheesy, and that's the
same thing for me. It's just I don't have the
love for John scene that many other people do in
my era or a little younger, because a lot of
it wasn't his fault, but his booking in him on
top was a part of a lot of the some
of the worst years in WW. And I don't think
that's all him, but there's it just kind of he
represents that, right, he represents when Punk's having his historic run,
that he's main eventing a pay per view with John
Lorenight is in a cage, right, So for me, I'm
not a nostalgic like part of those reasons of you
not watching WW was how they booked Sina, Right, that's
not completely his fault, but to get to the tap out,
where I understand, oh, well, he's a never give up character.
But if he passes out, which I think the other
problem is we've seen so many pass outs the last
like five years that it's almost that finish is overdone,
and it feels like someone's protecting himself. If he passes out, Okay,
it protects him and you kind of get Goo through
getting the big win. If he taps out, though, which
he did, it makes Goonter look like a monster and
it gives them so much. And that's the point, because
I've seen the biggest argument is how do you have
the guy that never gives up tap out because his
career is over. He's not building to anything else down Like, yeah,
he's done, like he's done being as far as now
right obviously Saudi bag. But let's just say he does
stay retired, like the character of John Cena can't.
Speaker 5: Give us say, I don't think he's actually gonna wrestle
in Saudi, but he will.
Speaker 1: He'll be there, I agree, I agree exactly, or even
that's the year they do the whole fame and he's
there to like the wave, but like, yeah, I just
to me, it's just that's the thing where it is
building the next guy, right, and they kind of they
did that with the streak again, you could argue the
right person. I think Guthor is the right person. We'll
see how this career killer thing kind of goes, they continued.
Speaker 4: I hope they do.
Speaker 1: But that's my reason, Like I do understand that point.
But Scena's not gonna be around anymore. He's he's done.
So this puts guntherro over. It makes him a killer.
Gunther should not lose for a while. To me, like,
even then, if you're gonna have have nothing for him
to dude, just have him cut promos just for me.
It's just.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 1: It was a bigger moment of Scena tapping out and
before I throw to one of you guys. The reason
I just love that finish is because it was seven
minutes of it, and I like that it was finally
just man, I can't do this anymore, Like I literally can't.
I could try to keep fighting, but he has me.
Speaker 4: That's it. It's over for me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tap out. And that's where it was kind
of like a veteran realizing oh I'm I am done,
And it kind of fits with Scena. The whole time
is being like, oh, my body's breaking down. So it's
like I physically can't get this guy off me seeing
it from ten years ago, could have seen it from
twenty years ago, could have, but this John Cena can't.
And that's why it has to retire. So that's why
I understand some people upset. But it's just there's not like, Okay,
if he passes out or wins k you preserve the
legacy of John Cena, but then he doesn't do anything
in his last match.
Speaker 4: It's just for John.
Speaker 1: And John's got enough fucking moments over the last two decades,
Like he was on top for so many times, beat
so many guys. I don't think he should have. But
I was fully in favor. But you were also in
favor of the finish, yes, yeah, yeah, And what do
you think of the match?
Speaker 6: Obviously, Yeah, I really.
Speaker 5: Liked the match overall, Like like I said, well, it
was actually like I was like maybe like thirty seconds
behind or something because I had to go away for
a second, so I just paused and came back. So
you guys like in the chid you're like, oh, it
was like finisher spam, But I was on the I
was on the spot where like Goonther was just like
hitting in with like the lariat over and over and over.
Speaker 6: So I was like, just drastic, that's like shirt.
Speaker 5: But you know, but after that he got up and
started doing like his his sequence.
Speaker 6: But I really liked the match.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like like you said, at the start, it felt like, yeah,
it's like, oh, scene is going like he's just gonna
go all out. But I like how you know, Goother
kept putting putting the damage on him, and I thought
it was I didn't see it didn't feel as long
as I think it probably was. I'll say like once
once Sena got out of just again beaten down, I
felt like like David was saying, like, oh, this is
slower than I expected.
Speaker 6: I say, I wasn't really expecting like a.
Speaker 5: Fast match from from Sena and goothert, but I thought
it had a good pace and yet I like the
finish where it's like he got out of one. How
many did he like get up out of at the very.
Speaker 1: End for the the joke, I think it was like
three times.
Speaker 2: Really yeah it was.
Speaker 3: It was he had the one he got out of it,
so he put he threw them against the ring and
then Gunter immediately came back, got another one, started putting
to sleep.
Speaker 2: They did the three count. He popped up with the three.
Speaker 3: Fingers and then after that that's when Gunter started raining
down the elbows three fingers.
Speaker 1: Right, what a spot. That was such a cheesey spot.
It's fine, but yeah, then he did like the Death Rioters,
Brian Elbows and everything like that. I will Chris Browns,
I will try to find it. It's a it's a
picture of me at oh five Summer Slam. I had
a Matt Hardy shirt because I was a massive mark
of Matt Hardy at the time. And it's literally it's
me doing the whole world life and I have the
chain I wore. I even bought they. Uh they made
rubber knuckles. I'm not sure. Did you ever see like
the videos back in like oh for when Johnson was
rocking like design But yeah, so they saw those, but
they were rubber. It was so it was such a
letdown because the picture it was rubber.
Speaker 4: The picture looked so.
Speaker 1: Much better when you got them. They were the cheapest
things in the world. I was so fissed as a kid,
but oh yeah, I was. I was a massive fan
of seeing it back then and then obviously just took
overrestling for decades and just a reign of terror sometimes
to me. But yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 3: I am okay with the finish of the match, especially
the fact that he came out of three of those
sleeper attempts. You know, it was finally like, all right,
he tapped out. There's there's nothing for him after this.
There's no rematch for a championship, there's no I gotta
come back Monday and face the audience. You know, this
is it, and he knows he's riding out, so it
made sense for him it and the look on his
face when he tapped out was just like I'm giving up,
I'm done, So that all made sense from a storyline perspective.
I will say this, the match did last longer than
I expected it to. It was twenty three minutes and
forty five seconds. No other match on this show went
over nine and a half minutes, so it was definitely
that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially they didn't have a heart too, because I
agree with that spuffs. I like it not being on NBC,
But it's just like I was surprised by a couple
with the tag that it didn't go its just it.
Speaker 3: Was almost four times the length of the tag team match,
so that will tell you something. But again, the match
itself was good. I liked how it ended, the moments
with Sina Man. Gunther has some amazing heat and that's
why I like the finish of this because it makes sense.
If you are putting everything into Guther going forward, then
this was the perfect way to build him up as
your next monster. And in my opinion, it also leads
way to you don't need a brock Lessener on every
show because you have Gunther and oh but.
Speaker 1: Like the two people in this show show, we don't
need this anymore. I know people have said even as
Bubbs I've talked about and Seene even said that the
retirement thing I still have to believe when I see
it with Brock, I just feel like last weeks and
be like, oh, I love this money. You know we'll
have to see Yeah. So I liked the clothesline spot.
It was funny when they did the second move of
five dooms. Gun Through just laying there and said get up,
get up, and was talking. You didn't hear him, but
he was talking a lot during the sleeper holes. But
uh no, I thought like even him by busting out
the famouser from the top rope was crazy, like this year.
Speaker 4: Has he I feel like I've used that.
Speaker 2: He's used that right times.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Summer Slam, Right, I forgot about that, Okay,
So yeah, no it was interesting. And then so that happens,
and you get the whole crowd very much like the streak,
very very quiet. People are, you know, wonder what's happening.
Speaker 6: Music playing like overall the shock.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 1: And then the locker room comes out and people are
chatting bullshit and then they see Triple H and they
all boo and stuff. And this was very interesting because
I I feel like it's fitting for Johns in his career,
who's had a very rocky relationship with the crowd. It's
always been like, what's the crowd going to react like tonight,
And I've never seen even a kfe if people don't
like the decision. Like after Undertaker lost a streak, people
were in shock, and then when he stand up they clapped.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I was there live. There wasn't bullshit or chanting about
Vince or anything like that. But here we're usually okay,
seeing what tap you all? That sucks?
Speaker 4: But when he gets up with the walker comes.
Speaker 1: Out, usually people be clapping, but no, they just turned
and they kept channing, and I was just so surprised
that even in the retirement fans were gonna be like, Oh, whatever,
this sucks, but that's just cheer them. They're chanting bullshit.
I love anytime they show Triple H which I was like, oh,
don't get on that apron, and he did and they
bow and that's why I had to make a thumbnail
of him laughing and like it's I think I'd love
to talk to some of the people there because I
think there's some of the boos that are more just
like frustration for maybe the full tour or not just
last night. But I guess maybe they want to win.
Speaker 5: I don't know that further reactions for a see from
like the more casual fans.
Speaker 6: It is really just like, oh he lost the sugar
Water guy. Yeah, seen as the goat, he should never lose.
Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting what I'll be curious to see going
forward is with that with a moment, if you watch
the show and I wasn't disappointed by this match, but
if you are disappointed by this match, and then you
have the crowd kind of booing. I wonder what that
does to the psyche of people, because I feel like
it's almost like I didn't like this, and then the
rest of the people are telling me this sucks, and
I feel like you get less likely to come back.
The explanation I use is the Rumble twenty fifteen when
they throw Brian and Roman one, and it was like
there was a shift in viewership and feeling. And that's
when Triple Ah cut the whole like may it was
the year before, but they refer back to the whole
you know whatever he said, my friend Mike or my
friend Dave and I are never gonna watch It's yeah,
is never gonna watch again. He cuts this whole promo
about this, and then as the weeks go forward, ratings
fell down. So it was like it's the dumbest thing,
Like I get what because you're biit is like that.
So I think he was laughing more like oh we
got because I've seen the like he's laughing right in
your face. No, I think they viewed as like a
good of like oh we got them. I think there
is some of that, but then you just have to know,
like they're so used to these moments and things happening now.
I feel like this newer audience, it's like, do they
watch and feel fulfilled when it happens? And it's it's
tough too because I wonder also if people boo less
and react or boom more and react more to like,
cause rarely do I remember in the time Vince ran
things Vince ever got booed or fu Vince chance and
stuff he deserved them, But anytime Vince would come out,
it'd be the worst dog should air of WW. But
if Vince comes out, people are bowing, cheering. I feel
like stuff like unreal. And the press conferences make it
really known that this is a show show now and
this is the guy that decides it, even if it's
seen of being like I'm gonna tap this way, it's
gonna go. All the eyes are way more on TRIPLEAH
than they ever were for Vince, So I think that's
a tough thing for him, but we'll have to see.
But they just got to fall through with good thar like,
that's just what they gotta do is make sure that
the booking now for me, like to the rest of
his w career is great, so then it doesn't feel
like always because yeah, in a couple of years, if
he's tapping to Jimmy Husso in WrestleMania, then yeah, maybe
we shouldn't have done this, but this should be the Okay,
now he's.
Speaker 4: A real made man.
Speaker 1: And even then, if he becomes a guy that doesn't
wrestle much on rar Smack, when he's a big time
match guy, that's kind of fun, Like you know, he's
a great wrestler.
Speaker 4: It's like you have to now be careful with him.
Speaker 1: And that's not me confident in them because Triple A
just made some and team have made some very questionable
decisions last year.
Speaker 4: Sorry I cut you off there.
Speaker 5: No, I was just like, well, I guess in terms
of like you need to continue with Gunther, I think I.
Speaker 6: Guess the next possible one.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing with the j Styles retirement, like the
word was like it might be like Mania, not like
the full year like Sina.
Speaker 6: I could see that, Like if Gunther's.
Speaker 5: Not going after one of the world titles at Mania,
I could see Gunther and AJ being like a manium match.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, and especially because that fits there and it's
if the like if we're gonna get to Brock versus
him and SummerSlam.
Speaker 4: You're gonna do it there, right.
Speaker 1: And I feel that's where if Gunther is wrestling aj Styles,
because we talked about the wrestling anywhere, it's like where
does Gunther fit in That feels like a big match
for him to like, Okay, he's not a title match,
but he's retiring AJ Styles, right, because that's the tough
thing now because if you look at even what they
did with brock Lesner, he beat the Streak and then
six months later he's world champ.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're doing that with Gunther because you
got whatever's happened with Cody and Roman. We know it's
gonna go Punk and Braun, so it's just goother right
now is a little bit ways away from the title.
So Ajan and Gunther would make sense to me if
they're you know, getting barring injuries or anything. Maybe aj
like even it eliminates him of the Royal Rumbel. Right,
they could do that classic long term bill where it's
like they're in the final full war, because I would
like it if they actually gave it. I want aj
to lose to take titles soon and start getting them
in some some main events stuff, you know.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean I think I was gonna say,
like we lose it to like the USUS, But then
I also still think the Jay heals An is coming.
Speaker 6: I still fully believe it.
Speaker 1: That man, that man was wild and last night that.
Speaker 5: Jackie was trying to go on your way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he even said it at one point
like just give us the catch phrase and I'm gonna
let you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even on his Instagram stories talking about his promo
and everything like that, like, oh my goodness. But uh yeah, David, Also,
you've been watching for a long time. What did you
take from the reaction of the fans? You think it's
just like a night of thing. Do you think it's
gonna play into more down the line of people tune
in an You think it's just emotionally?
Speaker 4: Where were you gonna? Were you surprised to see this?
Where were you?
Speaker 3: So? I told somebody today that, uh, the way that
Triple H got booed reminded me of the scene from
Star Wars when Obi Wan's tuck nannikin about you're supposed
to be the chosen one. That's the way people feel
about Triple AH as compared to Vince, like you were
supposed to come in and save us from the Vince era,
and now we're getting a lot of the same booking
you you joined there, And I think that's why people
are so pisses, because they feel like, Okay, this is
still the old school style. You're not doing anything different,
you're not quote unquote listening to the fans. But again
I triple chat that shitting and grin on his face,
like I got you to feel something. You the entire
arena is erupting, and I got you to feel that way.
So in that sense, I mean mission accomplished. I do
think that Gunther should go on just a monster deal.
If he's not going for a World championship, then he
needs to be the one to retire whoever is next
to retire, Like he's that guy. He bring back a
modified version of the legend killer, and he's the man
who puts you out the pasture. And I could see
Gunther bragging about that, how he's retired John Cena, He's
retired aj Styles, he retired Randy Orten or whoever else
is coming in. If you bring in Jericho, eventually retire
him and just continue to build him up in that
way of he's the big the new big bad and.
Speaker 1: Because you know why what you can do because obviously
if it's someone's last match, I am you usually in
the agreeents that they should lose. I'm not trying to,
you know, be on complete Triple H bandwagon here, but
it's like when he says like, oh, that's like a tradition.
To me, it is, it's the best way you go out.
I I love AW, I love Swarve Strickland, I love people.
I hate people going around showing all the Sting stuff.
The Staying retirement was so different even then if you
even like people have said Sting wanted to lose and
they wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Let him, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the other difference is for me, of why
I was fine with TK and stuff doing that. The
last few years of Sting's career sucked. He what happened
in TEENA, how he went out was very underwhelming, and
he had this big run it was nothing. The WWE
run was a huge pain. And then he also had
a career ending injury. So it's not like Sina who's
had like even the times he's been around, like there's
some questionable stuff like awesome theory and soul, but that
is nowhere near. Hey, Stings in the back of the
ambulance doesn't know if he's gonna be able to move again, right, Like,
to me, the Sting story, it's all a case by
case basis, right, that story fit getting happy end because,
like I said, there was the last five years of
his career. Even WCW. You can say, like the brand,
like the face. He was the face of a brand
that went out of business. Right, so you can make
an argument that, hey, this character, it's been around since
the seventies eighties, pauper of people well loved, who's had
like a couple of shitty years. Let's give it a
good ending here, right, so that I understand we're seeing
it like again, he doesn't need the good ending. The
guy's been the face of the company for multiple decades.
He's earned a lot of money, He's in a bunch
of movies. That's why for me, it's like Sina can
lose this and that kind of feels a little fitting
with the character. And even then too, like look at
the pairing. The young Bucks didn't need to beat Sting, right,
I don't even know if I'd say Gooder needed to
beat Sina because he could all lost and bounce back,
but man does it like bring him up big time?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Where Bucks like cool they beat Sting, It's like that's
not any like in they're Teddy Champions again. So for me,
I hate that comparison because Sting and Sena's.
Speaker 4: Ending are very very different. You know.
Speaker 1: I think there's other ones where it's like for me,
I know it's his type of match, but like I
still would have preferred like Undertaker putting over AJ because
it's kind of crazy that in Saudi Arabia Undertaker beat
AJ in fifteen seconds and then still goes to bury him.
You know, like that's where I say, Yeah, that's somewhere
you go. You know what, it's not Undertake or it's
not like Undertake No sorry, it is Undertaker's fault that
his last few years were shit because he should retire
a long time ago and he's just coming back and
putting on these really bad matches Like that's his fault.
He didn't break his neck like Sting, Like that's on him.
He should have retired a long time ago, and I
don't know if he needed to beat AJ, but that
was like a fun, weird COVID match like didn't really matter, right,
So I just that comparison to people using like oh
and I like I said, I love AW, I currently
watch that more, But them using that as like the
dunk on w B, It's like, I don't think it is,
like to me, it doesn't work, but like, oh, look
this is the way it works. It's like, what did
they do Brian? They gave him a super sad depressing ending.
So it's not like, oh, every time someone retires in AW,
they're a huge hero and they win. It's like, no,
it all depends on the story. Brian's story needed the
sad mocks He's gonna kill him and that set.
Speaker 4: Up death Riders right. So it's like it's case by case.
Speaker 1: When people are like, oh, he would never do this
to a legendary figure, it's like they already did, like
and they will do it again.
Speaker 6: I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think Tony Kahan even hated the scene of
finish because if he did, because he did do the
thank you for watching a w But if he hated it, he.
Speaker 6: Would have done it right away. He did this like like.
Speaker 1: Or he promotes a match too. He'll always promote like
this Thursday, watch for it, like he knows the right
time to don.
Speaker 5: He was watching like this is some good ship right
here in my company.
Speaker 1: Which one. You know, he's gonna he's gonna throw a
scene in the bag, you know, and walks. He's gonna
do the same thing with the plastic bag. Show him out.
But yeah, I just I don't know. It's weird that
people have been showing that as the staying things like
that's the way to do It's like, no, I think
that was the way for Sting to do it, not
like all wrestling, you know.
Speaker 4: I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a weird thing. But yeah, obviously, so do we
think Scenea's going to the Hall this year? I think
they wait one more year.
Speaker 2: They've got him for five years, so I think that
they wait another year.
Speaker 1: Because he didn't do his big speech.
Speaker 5: It since it's like especially since it's in Vegas, like
whereas his last Sstlemania and he won the championship and everything,
I could see it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like Saudi's already claimed him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say, because I feel like they would
have announced it like kind of early. I feel like
I feel like they could have announced it already if
they were doing it, because I don't know, it feels
random if they announced it like after like a rumble
or something that he's like not in it's like just like,
oh yeah, scene's going in the Hall of Fame too.
Speaker 1: Because they could have done it even last night though, right.
I think we even talked about that as like a
theory where they would announce like Ahwa's gonna end and
triple ah is gonna be like, oh and we got
one more like honestly though, that could have That's why
I'm almost against it on him because that moment last
night when he brings him aside and points to the screen,
that video could have ended with going in the Hall
of Fame whatever, you know. So like I think I'm
up two minds where like either you can do the
Hall of Fame right now and you build all, hey,
we just did that last run and we're putting in
the whole fame, or like make people miss him a
little bit and then do the thing. I guess the
only reason I was leaning towards the Whole Fame is
I was surprised he didn't do a speech or promo
or whatever, so I thought, well, maybe the Hall of
Fame's coming up in a couple months. He's gonna save
all this good stuff for that. But I was surprised
he said nothing. Obviously took the gear off. He did.
He saluted so many fucking times, just that image of
him going and whatnot. But you know, and I like
to they gi him like the mini Rick Flair one.
I was kind of hoping they did the whole Ric
Flair one where you know, and like, I'm not like
a massive fan their feud. I was very surprised, Like
Randy wasn't sauty. I was surprised they couldn't even talk
to Big Dave and get him out there, like it
felt like there's a couple even rock. It's like you can't,
like you're just gonna film the Instagram video. It's like
you can't, like you're a CEO man like or you're
on the board, like get out there, like, oh, you
fucking hijack this guy's because Cody didn't turn heel, you
hijacked this guy's last year. The most you could do
is come out there and raise his goddamn you know.
So that's the only thing is I felt like with
Flair because I was there it felt like everybody but
Sting because they tried to talk to teen A and
they wouldn't allow it. But they felt like they got
everybody you could think of in Rick Flair's career to
be there, right and with this it just felt like, oh,
we got like everyone that's on the roster here, you know.
So but even Roman, even even Roman wasn't there. I
was just, you know, he gets to do the thank
you John in the video, but I was surprised even
Rome wasn't there. This guy who see didn't have to
call you the goat, doesn't say you're the best of
all time, but he goes out of his way all
the time to like, I think the the best rest
of all times. Roman reigns and.
Speaker 6: His game of Ward does his travel for the week.
Speaker 1: That was it. So yeah, and I guess on that know,
we talked, but I'm very I know why people are mad.
I I was fine with them doing the archive footage, evince, Yeah,
I don't need to see events, but like, I'll take
that over.
Speaker 5: I always wonder, like where WWE keeps all these interview clips,
because they use these for every single.
Speaker 6: One of these, like that TRIPLEH interview that Vince interview.
Speaker 1: That's that's this this shirt.
Speaker 5: There's a one that they use all the time, like
the must be from like yeah, like like two thousand
and eight.
Speaker 1: It is because because I used to have a lot
of those DVDs. And that's why it's so interesting. It's like,
can't sit down for like two minutes, like a new
It's like him with long hair and the ponytail. It's
so funny. But yeah, like to me, I'll take Vince
archrival footage than what they really could have done.
Speaker 4: They really could have had this fucker, And I thought,
I thought there was a chance. And man, I wonder how.
Speaker 1: Music, Yeah, I wonder what would have happened to with
them booing triple H and Vince was there Because there's
only a pocket of thank you Vince chances pleeple, Oh.
Speaker 4: No, don't do that.
Speaker 2: The fucking Vin's chance would have been high throughout that.
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't think they would have been. Man,
I actually think they would. I think because they were
so mad at Triple H they would have been like
it was better with him, it was.
Speaker 3: Better with Because at that point, do you then start
to think, Okay, if Vince is there Vince made this
call for him to tap out.
Speaker 2: This is Vince eras shit.
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they did it on to Vince.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I think we're pretty happy with
what happened. Yeah, but uh yeah, I'm just happy that
I'm happy no political figures were there on screen, Like
I didn't need the whole circuit, the circus pony show
that I was worried they were gonna make this do
so yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was interesting.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be curious how it's looked upon later on, right,
because even the streak me and they're just talking about
the day. It's like people all time still go back
and forth like if that was the right call? Right,
because she's always in the mind she thought like why
didn't they just let him keep It's like I was
always fine with him losing it, because you build it up,
you have to give it to somebody, right, So I'm
the same thing here.
Speaker 5: This I haven't seen like even the people who didn't
like the finish, I haven't really seen many people saying
like it.
Speaker 6: Shouldn't have been right, That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's the thing that's where for me, that
was the problem the streak where people debate should and not.
But for me it was always like did they pick
the right guy right? And for me, I think the
idea of yes, I'm in the camp scene, I should
have lost and tapped up. But to me the debate
is less because if you're debating, oh, should it be
one loss? To me, he's like, well does America? Is
my hope is the next five year shows us that
they picked the right guy and it goes the right way, right,
And yeah, this is something goother can always say now
that he retired Johnson, he retired Goldberg, Oh that's what
he's gonna say. We want a different track that eventually,
let's say he retires, Jeric Ome retires Lessener. What's gonna
happen is at some point they can use this as
a stip because I always thought, oh, what if you
versus something that's.
Speaker 4: Retiring and they win.
Speaker 1: You don't know want that he can do a match
with somebody of like you need to put your career
on the line, right that get.
Speaker 6: Like the Randy Uran match, like the legend killer versus
the career you.
Speaker 1: No, I think it would do somebody that would be
like a fake out like because to me, that's you
can finally have someone beat goonther when that stip is
on the line, like someone I guess it could be
Randy if he's not done, but that's where to me,
you should do it with somebody at some point where
it's not just oh, this is market is the last
match is literally hey, some storyline where Okay, i'll give
you another shot the title.
Speaker 4: I'll do this, but if you lose, you have to retire.
Speaker 1: And if you yeah, because if you have gooon through
with a track re ger of three to four people,
it's like, oh man, that makes sense for his character
to throw that out because that's the same thing. Eventually,
someone has to be the not career killer, right, someone
has to beat goon thro at the last match thing.
Speaker 4: And that's where I think it'd be good.
Speaker 1: Like the perfect story would be like someone like a Sammy, Right,
it's not Sammy's same, but someone like that that's an
underdog character that like, you have a title match, but
if you lose, you gotta retire and then they win,
Like there's lots of stuff you can do there, right,
But uh, And that was the other thing too with
brock Lesner and the whole streak thing. They botched that
after the fact because no one really ever got like
the the first person to beat Brock Lesner after the
streak was Goldberg, and that to me was I know,
there's tons of Dee that try to defend that. That
was not defendable to me. Goldberg didn't need that. You
could have still done him in Mania. He could have
beat Kevin Owens for that title. Like there's so many ways.
That was always the thing of like, oh well, Brock's
gonna lose their own right, and he didn't until like
five years later.
Speaker 4: So anything else on uh guther or seen it here?
Speaker 1: Anything else?
Speaker 6: I think?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, well see what it does. I hope this
Lisa Gooler just getting some nice he'll heat going forward.
Uh yeah, what do you guys think about We'll go
back to the very being the show Cody versus Oba Fami.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: I'll say I was really liking the match up to
the the DQ. I thought it was I thought it
was awesome. I liked seeing you know, Ova, like the
crowd was like seriously impressed and like in of Ova,
like every time he was throwing Cody back, you could
hear the crowd being like like well like like this
guy is is something and that's just so funny.
Speaker 1: We's seene It's like, oh, I want people up there
that the crowd may not know saying gonna shine. It's
like not the case of Oba family, like everybody's who
in and they they're excited to see him, not saying out.
Speaker 6: Of the NXT talent.
Speaker 5: He was the one that like even just off the entrance,
was already again a huge reaction. The other ones, their
entrance was like just like normal and to quiet, and
then once they got in the ring, the crowd would
really go for it. But Oba like he was completely
like ready from the start there. And uh yeah, I'd
say from from what we got off the match, I
thought it was it was really great. I thought they
they had good chemistry from what we saw. Actually did
go back and see how exactly like Cody's ear got
like hurt. I saw it from a different angles, Like
he went over the desk like perfectly fine, and then
the desk is like it's kind of like it's like
a it has.
Speaker 6: Like on the sides. He was like leaning.
Speaker 5: I think he wanted to lean his head against like
one of the sides and he thought he was like
lined up with it, so he just moved his head.
Speaker 6: Back and he was off the side a little bit,
so he just like slammed the back of.
Speaker 5: His ear like into the corner. Uh, And that's what
did it. And then yeah, there was just the DQ
which is just like what it was there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, David, Yeah, I enjoyed the match. The ending was predictable.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I said it in our chat earlier
on discord that I felt like that's how it was
going to end. But man, the crowd reaction to Oba
coming out, the fact that you know, he still continued
to get a reaction against Cody, like people were still
cheering for him. And one when that spot where he
reaches down and picks Cody up by his throat, I'm
just like, my man is looking nice and strong and
really just really cool spots they let him have his shine,
And there are times where it looks like Cody was
giving him everything he could in order to knock this
big man off his feet. So again you got another
powerhouse there, another big strong guy. If you want someone
to come in and wreck shop, there you go. He's Hilf. Yeah,
he's set and he's ready. He's ready for the main roster,
so that if he drops the title this coming Tuesday
and is on the main roster by Friday, I wouldn't
be mad at it because he definitely earned it with
this one.
Speaker 1: Just put him in a fucking eight way match and
have someone else beat, like, don't even have him take
the pen. Like to me, that's where it's like when
the crowd was reacting that way, because I've not seen
a bunch of but I seen Hienough to know that
he's ready ringwise to go up. He's got the ore
and everything. But when the crowd when he came out
won his entrance on a big stage was phenomenal. That
was he felt like that that, like I know Rome's
called himself the Final Boss, but it felt like that,
like or I guess Rock now calls himself the Final Boss,
but it feels like that. It feels like in a
video game where it's like, oh fuck, like I got
this guy left and he's just coming out, and the
way they shoot it when it's like a little bit
of the upward angle and he's just looking massive, I
was like, this guy, it's I hope not everyone has
that mentality, but I know they do, and Mark Henry
said that, think about Javon Evans last week or two
weeks ago, like, oh, in fifteen years he'll be world champ.
It's like what like and I worry about that. We
talked about the all time, with the ages and everything.
It's like look at scene, like talking about see him retiring.
It took him when he got to the main roster
in oh three he got the world title five. Same
thing as Dave Batista, same thing as brock Lesner. I
know it was a different era, but like, I'm not
saying you got a trap, Javon, but like to me,
Oba can just win the rumble and win a title,
that's fine. We don't need to like have Oh we
got to get him up there and see what he does.
Like even the NXT thing when they do the like,
oh we want to see if they're good at being
a heel and a baby face, it's like, no, man,
you don't do that.
Speaker 5: That might kind of be bron breaker, like yeah, finally
yeah in twenty twenty four, yeah, than hopefully. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's why I hope that this new crop they
are gonna do that stuff right with I guess with
Broun we're gonna see what happens on January and then
I imagine you just still gonna win at some point.
But they should start doing that a bit more because one,
these are younger guys, but two just like then you
just even have more stars in general. You know, it's
not like the oh, well do we want to take
the title off Cody? Like, I think Cody will be
fine now. And I think I was happy last night
when he got that ring that it was like a
got to fifty to fifty because when Ovo was gonna
that reaction, like oh man, this crowd's gonna turn. But
then when they're doing this Cody road song, I was like, Okay,
he's still fine. There's still some people there because like
I'm always, I'm always waiting for what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: But the Drew stuff, yeah, I thought it was a
great match.
Speaker 1: But to the point now when they did no clean finish,
I wish that Ricky was still champ and they just
had seen or Cody beat Ricky and that's it. It
was great to have Oba with the big showcase, but
with this being the d K you finish, I and
this match I think was really good and a good.
Like this to me would have been a perfect blueprint
for Oba winning this match in the world title, you know,
because now when they wrestle second time, he does have
to be still different. You can't just completely run this back.
So uh no, I thought it was great up until
I just I've been talking about for months.
Speaker 4: I hate this. I'm finally the DQ finish here and there.
Speaker 1: But that's why I stopped watch watching all the weekly TV,
because there's so much of the main events where it's like, oh,
this is really interesting, big matchup, and it's like, well, DQ,
well DQ, And even then it's like, well, then at
least just have Drew d Q like interfere and then
Oba gets the win and Cody can at least kind
of say that.
Speaker 4: But I get it though.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. They don't want to make Oba look
weak by getting a cheap victory. But then they don't
want Oba to lose because you know they're not ready
for that. So then don't book this match, don't put
Oba somewhere else, do a tag team match like anything else.
Like it just I just don't understand they They are
the bookers. It's not real life. They can choose who's
gonna wrestle his match. It's like they can choose, like, oh,
we don't want Oba lose, we don't want Cody louse.
Well let's do a tag team match and have Cody
pin some one else or Oba pin someone else. You know,
It's just I don't know, so I'm I think I'm
with David where yeah, just honestly have Oba imprompting match
on Tuesday, lose the title and just get them up
like no more. There's nothing for him to learn in
XT see he's already looking like he's there with the
big dogs. And yeah, this was like I what I
would love is we saw signs of last night what
we're talking about with Seena in the streak and brock Lesner.
Make Oba Cody's brock Lesner. Make it that he beats him.
And that's the thing that Cody always is trying to
beat Oba. And maybe here and there gets a win,
But with's I think, because yeah, Snea got one win
on Brock. I think when bro came back it was
the first and then after that Brock beat him every time.
And that to me like do the same thing. Maybe
I have Cody beat him once, but have Oba have
his numbers. I'm always fine with that storyline of oh
there's one guy you just can't beat, you know, in
real life when I'm in the Gauntlet, that's fucking Kirkland Patzer.
I beat him once. We have five matches after. I
never beat that fuck River again. I just can't beat him.
I don't know what it is. It annoys me, but
that's just how it is in sports and life sometimes.
So yeah, I hope Oba is up there. And also,
I guess we could talk about this because last show
we did Survivor Series and that was the rumor of
all they're doing Cody and Roman at WrestleMania, But now
there's a rumor it's like, well they're gonna do that,
but not at WrestleMania. I guess I'm really confused because
Meltzer is the guy that said both of them. He
said them anything. But now as well as not having
to me, it's like, I really don't know. I guess
plants are just yeah, are they just up in the
air now? Like and if that's the case, like I.
Speaker 5: Mean, I don't think like Mania plans are like, well,
we seem from unreal like even in like started January,
like late December one be completely different then what.
Speaker 6: We actually get.
Speaker 5: So I think it's still like I think someone saw
Cody Roman and we're like, okay, I need a report
that like Cody Roman is in the plants, but like
that could be completely different.
Speaker 6: By the time we get to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was on the actual chalkboard rest May thirty forty three.
That's what Dave got wrong.
Speaker 6: It's yeah, yeah, just bad hand riting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do we think there's any chance OBA
could be upcome Rumble time?
Speaker 6: I don't think so.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's dropping the title until Stand and Deliver.
I think earliest raw Aftermania.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like what, like I saw some people made
this because I.
Speaker 5: Know what the I know what the plan is gonna be,
because they're doing like a four way to for number
one contender, right, and that can just be I feel
like that's a TV match that'll be Maybe that's like
a Leon Slater that they can like beat on TV
because then and then I feel like he's gonna fight
all the guys in who are in that match on
the way to Stand the Delivers, Stand the Liver is
gonna be.
Speaker 4: We're gonna ob Joe Hendry match.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's gonna happen because in between, in
between so twenty twenty six NX, you would have New
Year's Evil, which is the first son, then Vengeance Day
which is a pl E roadblock which is a TV special,
and then Standon Liver and Ova always he does like
a TV title defense every once in a while, So
I feel like those will be that will be Leon Slater,
Miles Bourne, Joe Hendry, Dion Lennox. Deon Lennox is the
one that has like the most story because he that's
like the whole story of Dion Lennox's.
Speaker 6: Like he'll turn because he used to be just like
this like geek.
Speaker 5: Kind of guy and then Obamy backstay. He was like
he was like one day like I'm gonna be challenging
for that title and Ova was like, no, you're not,
You suck and that made him turn heel and like
come back as a as a villain. So that's like
the match that like people joke about it, but like
I feel like that's gonna be one of like I
don't know, maybe that is just.
Speaker 6: Like the since they've been talking about it more recently, is.
Speaker 1: Just like the TV Yeah, that sounds like a good
T one and plus one of those could always be
like a triple threat or something too. Yeah, maybe there's
a teen A guy in there or something and they're
trying to sign someone else.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like they're gonna give just Leon Slater
like that title match.
Speaker 1: Like it's I'm very curious see how the AMC deal
go because we haven't talking about that since that happened.
Speaker 6: Like the more like they've used Leon Slater more than
they used Joe Hendry.
Speaker 4: It's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I am, like to me, now, this is
it's this is way worse than eight W New Japan partnership.
They are just poached.
Speaker 4: They're literally they're not even waiting for these.
Speaker 1: Contracts to expire.
Speaker 4: They're paying them out like.
Speaker 5: That one.
Speaker 1: This is why I said, though, I'm gonna fully wait
and see for judgment for the AMC deal because for
the first episode of AMC, if they loaded up with
some other big w starts, I'm like, Okay, I'll see
teenag is not potion, But if like I can see
some more bigger stuff to boost AMC, then I'm okay,
then maybe.
Speaker 4: It's worth it.
Speaker 1: But right now, man, it just feels like they're just
having their way with this company, and like again, get
out of here. Anyone's saying there the number two, No
fucking way, no way. This is like Leon Slayer is
just That's why I asked us, Like he's he's just
a WWE guy now, Like it's just he is on
John Cena's last show? Are you kidding me? Like there
are hundreds of I guess, so yeah, at least dozens
of WE wrestlers on the roster that you could be like,
you know what, we want to showcase one of our performers.
They're showcasing something that's not even under contract yet, right,
but it's like it is crazy what is happening, Like
I don't know how this teammate president is letting this go.
They said, maybe I'll take it back for AMC. Maybe
they'll really beef them up. But right now, this is
a crazy partnership. This is some I don't know, some
who some magic going on.
Speaker 4: So oh god.
Speaker 1: He also says time I wanted to sit. Oh so yeah,
I guess I'm just disappointed because I was hoping I
saw people bring up there if you could make this
WrestleMania the way like Sina and uh Batista one on
the same night, that'd be great. Imagine that ends restumating
at forty two and it's oba you know, w W Champ,
Brown World Champ.
Speaker 4: That's literally your new era right there.
Speaker 1: If people go, oh, well they're both heels, we'll then
have won the women main event like the night and
have like the big pop right. But again, so like
if that's the case, So if we don't, because David,
do you think's coming up or you think he's saying
in XSTY as well.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's coming up before the World Rumble.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if that's the case, if we're still right.
Speaker 6: I could see him in the Rumble, Yeah I don't think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I said I don't see him before
the World Rubble. But I could definitely see him in
the Royal Rumble. I mean, he would get a massive reaction.
Speaker 5: Jeon eliminates him, and you know one of these Saudi princes,
you know, they're watching Sita this last show, and that's
all Johnson.
Speaker 6: Guy's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: That's all Met Johnson. We gotta get him, you know,
with So if that's just I guess, because in case
we don't, we will do an episode. Guess we'll talk further,
but like, is what's happening to Brown and Punk? Is
Punk winning this at Great? Because that did get an ounced.
We talked about this before last episode because I was like,
I really don't want to do the thing where Braun
loses and then he beats Punk down the line. Is
Braun like losing at the Netflix or the first episode
of Raw or is he winning.
Speaker 5: The the Also, the other report that came out was
that like he was the favorite, like on the white right,
you know what.
Speaker 1: Fuck it, he's gonna beat Punk and he's gonna win
the rumble where you're at Cody and Braun they'renna unite
the titles again. But yeah, I just I just I
really hope hashtag plans change. I do not want he
beats or he loses.
Speaker 5: With this, Like I feel like this mass man if
he doesn't help Broun win the title, like he just sucks,
like he can't do anything.
Speaker 2: Why are you here?
Speaker 1: Little war games? Though he got that right games. I
guess I can see them doing some real tom fuckery where.
Speaker 6: Take the mask off when it was seth Well.
Speaker 1: That's no, maybe not that, but I could see it.
I could see it that the mass Man costs Braun
at Netflix, and that's a big moment where they're both
down and everyone thinks, oh this u bron wins the
title and that's how you kind of save Braun from
like looking bad because that someone screws him.
Speaker 4: Because I guess we've heard that float.
Speaker 1: Around to that even the ideas of Seth got back,
they might do Seth and Braun right or even Seth
and Roman.
Speaker 4: So that's where it's like super tough right now.
Speaker 1: And I guess what I'm trying to get to is
if all that's up in the Ear of Raw and
if Roman and Cody is not happening, what are we
doing again with Cody? We've talked about so many times.
It's like and it's like, if it's gonna be Punk,
then we should have Punk lose in Netflix, right like,
or like he should lose and then win that chamber.
But just like, I really have no idea what's going
on right now at the world titles scene and both
kind of things like we do, but just like what
that Mania match is going to be, you know, So
I don't know. Yeah, it's it's crazy, but yeah, stopped
in the deky finishes on these big shows.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 1: To me, that's something where if I'm a newbie and
there's this big and just ends in like a meth thing.
It's like it's like if you watch a football game
that ends in a tie and you're like, oh, like
I get it, but like, why can't we play another quarter?
I feel it feels like that, And on such a
big show. I was surprised. But next we got Bailey
versus soul Ruca in another submission of my case of
why Bailey's Gonna be come an aw because man, they're like, oh,
going to is big. You know, none of the main
talent lost except for Bailey, and I'm saying, Pamela, it's time.
It's time. I know they're leting johnsona come to your
sessions or letting the people go there.
Speaker 4: It's all good.
Speaker 1: Your contract comes up next year, there, haven't you. You're
the only person that lost to the NXT town last night.
The writing is on the freaking wall. It's time to
come over. But this was a really good match. Bailey's
a ring general. She kind of have a good match
with anybody. Like I said, I think at the beginning
it started like a little clunky, but then it got there.
I really loved the last sequence of Soul Snatcher in
like Bailey's counter into a victory role. I thought that
was very clever, even though Bailey kind of no, Sol's
the finisher then because she right away just like count.
Speaker 6: But I will give it like a bit of grace
because it was like, oh, she was like out of
the ring for like right, yeah, no, you're right. Yeah,
she hit the.
Speaker 5: Small center and I thought they were gonna do a
classic but she started doing that and Soul grabbed her.
But then it was like, oh, like I need to
drag her in, and then she dragged her in. She
like stood up and that's when she did, like it
was right, yeah, she popped up and grabbed her right.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, you're absolutely right. I take that back. I
forgot it was there was some in between there, so no.
I thought it was really good. It was kind of
weird to have, I get because they were a team,
but like Zari and Lyra there, I thought that something
was going to add to it, like just one way
or another. And even at the end too, like I
don't know, I don't think they's checked out, but when
they're just like, yeah they're saloon, they do the It's
just like it was a really weird aftermatch of just
like raising arms and just yeah, I'm happy you beat me, kid,
Like I don't know it was that part.
Speaker 6: Was they did the same thing.
Speaker 4: Did they?
Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, but at least with the tag match,
they looked like they were into it. Where Bailey, she
just looked like, all right, I gotta do this thing now.
They told me after the match, I gotta do my
salute to John Cena like, and I do think like
she cares about Johnson, but I also think that you
could tell that she was very disheveled after the match, like,
all right, you let someone else beat me. I guess
now me and my little kid's sidekick Lyra over here
can go on back to the back now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll see that her.
Speaker 6: Gear was supposed to be like a homage to like
the Scena debut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw it on Twitter too. That's pretty good.
But yeah, oh good match, is said. I'm just interested
see what happens with Bailey next shot.
Speaker 4: That's where and.
Speaker 1: Again I just I think it's it's time to go,
But who knows.
Speaker 4: Me They're just gonna throw a.
Speaker 6: Title right before she.
Speaker 1: Like Chad Gable, right, they game that big heel turn
and all these promises and what's he doing now? Obviously
got injured, But just like same thing with Ellie Knight,
I legitimately do think that's what's gonna happen. It came
out of his contracts up into that in twenty seven,
I'm doing I'm doing a trast told you right now.
Barring him being injured or real life a controversy, I
think Ellen Knight will win the title in twenty twenty seven.
That's their way of like kind of keep the ind
And with Bareley, it's just tough because it's like you've
done all that stuff, right, She's won the rumbles, she's
won the title just and I just as I said
with the War Games, it just felt like she was
she wasn't in the match, but I just fat she's
non existing in a lot of this talk of the
top tier women. But yeah, did you like the Mattress
s Pubs?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: No, I thought it was really good. Like you're saying,
like at the Stars kind of weird.
Speaker 5: I feel like Soula's like she's one of those wrestlers
where it's like it's not like sloppy, but it's like
that's kind of the way she is.
Speaker 6: She just kind of does like she just moves differently.
Speaker 1: Than the takes a minute to catch up.
Speaker 5: I'd say it's almost like it's sort of like a
not exactly a comparison, but like see Him Punk, Like
it's kind of like the opposite because se him Punk,
but people say it's.
Speaker 6: Like he's like not athletic at all, but he's a
good wrestler.
Speaker 5: I feel like sometimes it's like she tries to be
like she's so athletic that she tries to go for
stuff that like doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, at least it wasn't looking like Selena and
uh Rhea hunt SmackDown. They like they worked there, So
what were you David?
Speaker 2: Again? It was a good match.
Speaker 3: I would even venture to say that on a match
basis alone, it was probably the better of the matches
of the night. I feel like once they got their stride,
they really had some good chemistry. I will say that
the announcers are really big enough. The fact that soul
Ruka came through the nil deal. Same thing with Obafemi,
that like they're they're really trying to get that out there. Hey,
all you talented college athletes, just remember these two people
that you've just seen. They came up through our next
in line deal, so you could be the next one.
We found her at Oregon doing tumbling. Who knows what
can be in store for you. I felt like they
kept driving that home that you know, her collegiate background
and then finding her in the short time that they've
been in and now they're on a pl with John
Cena and things like that.
Speaker 2: But the match itself, it was a good match. I
thought that they had some great chemistry.
Speaker 3: It's just man, I feel bad for poor Bailey because
I was hoping that she got to win. I knew
it was a long shot, but I was really just
hoping that they would give her something, especially on a
big stage like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, well, at least you have to be on
the stage. I guess right, you get to be a
part of that show if it's washed back. So you
had the tag team match, which I I don't have
too many more thoughts on.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I just thought it was a lot.
Speaker 1: Sure. I thought it was gonna be They're gonna let
them go a bit more crazy. I was singing like
a fifteen to eighty minuter and the last five minutes
was gonna be completely crazy and kind of I don't
know if they didn't want that because they maybe didn't want.
Speaker 4: To burn out the crowd.
Speaker 1: That's the case, I would have swapped them the ladies
not to that, just because Bailey and soul Ruku was
wrestled in a different way.
Speaker 4: At the start.
Speaker 1: But even though it doesn't matter, they don't burn out
the crowd because they have a bunch of segments and
they have I forgot to mention that another reason why
I hate the show.
Speaker 4: The soupid is our truth Johannry thing.
Speaker 1: It's just like I thought they was setting up for
some really big o scena this past I'm not saying
ed being one of those fans like oh Adam Copenan's
gonna be her, no.
Speaker 4: But just oh man. But yeah, I was just surprised.
Speaker 1: I thought this match was gonna be a bit longer
and a bit more crazier, but was still a fun match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree exactly what you said. It was six
and a half minutes. Was this match six and a
half minutes?
Speaker 1: Pease?
Speaker 3: I did feel a little bit bad for Javon and
Leon Slater after seeing that it was six and a
half minutes, because I wish they would have gotten a
little bit more time, and that it was a good match.
And I will say that between the three matches preceding
the going thro Johan Seena match, it does make me
want to pay a little bit more attention to NXT
after watching all three of these matches. So in that right,
they got me to start thinking, Okay, I need to
do more than just get s bub's updates on Tuesday
nights via discord of how XT's doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's that's what they do want, right, They
want you and that's a good thing. Like I think
we talked about this before and I suppose was completely
right on his prediction as far as who would be there,
but they picked the Bright Town as well to be
select and highlighted between. I think with soul Ruka doesn't
matter what people feel about to finish or the way
she works, It's like she has a certain she has
like close that like what people talk about would Jay
So or Jeff Hardy, where there's just like a likable
quality that you just can't teach to somebody. Right, Oba
has whatever we talked about, and then Jayon and Leon Slater,
you know, the future Dirty Stars, just like they have,
they have certain talents and skills that are are very good.
I'm sure, of course there's tons of other people in
XC that are great well too, but I can see
why they selected some of them. But yeah, any thoughts
on this one?
Speaker 6: Uh, the tag match now, I pretty much just talked
about it already. I just thought, yeah, it was it.
They did all their their.
Speaker 5: Spots as fast as possible, but I thought it was
still a fun match. And like you said, in terms
of I pick, I'd say, like for what WW wants
in like the wrestlers, I thought it made like That's
why I went with these, Like I feel like they
all have like that that like the IT factors, they
like the marketability Like it's like, yeah, they have like
like OVI feminees, l Ruka, like they have unique looks.
Speaker 6: And like Javon and Leon like they have well even
like Triple H.
Speaker 5: Like on the post show he was talking about like
they asked him about Javon and Leon and he's saying
something like there's a lot of guys who have like
they have what they say it's like there's a lot
of guys who have like that sort of like extreme
athleticism and do all the spots because yeah, but then
they have no personality. But these guys have have all
the ability and all the personality. So and some people
are like always taking shots at Ricochet, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know that's the case.
Speaker 1: But like, honestly, if Triple Ah is there, if there's
a scenario where you're looking his head and Shawn Sin's
last match, I gotta take some shots at Ricochet.
Speaker 4: It's just like then we are in trouble.
Speaker 1: If that's like really, especially because like I think in
aw he has shown like some of his best stuff
has when he was like that kind of psycho nerd thing, right,
I feel like he's Ricochet's regressed again.
Speaker 4: With this group.
Speaker 1: I think this group's actually done no favorites for Ricochet.
I think it's gona give him a clutch. But before
when he was doing like the he's wearing a sweater
vest and the glasses, but then he's murdering someone's scissors,
It's like, yeah, that's a fun different type of gimmick.
Now he's just like classic chicken shit heel guy. But yeah,
if trium Baher's honestly think of that on last night,
we're in big trouble.
Speaker 4: We're in big trouble.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, I think he's in the Diamond Ring.
Speaker 5: He's royal and so so you know, Sean's gonna eliminate him,
and this Sheet's.
Speaker 1: Gonna tack in hell man, I yeah, we'll we'll get there. Yeah,
anything else I'm trying to think we had. Yeah, okay,
So for the Tag team, so yeah, you're still convinced
Jay heel turn's coming and they're not getting those tag
type think the way they're.
Speaker 5: Doing it, because they're doing like when they like Reunited,
it was like they they came out to just Jay's
music and Jay wasn't saying anything, like Jay was just quiet.
Speaker 6: Well, Jimmy was like Jay.
Speaker 5: Like he's lost to l A Knight, He's lost the
good there, He's lost to everybody. And Jay wasn't like
saying anything, and then it was and then his only
response was like, yeah, I just decided, you know, I
need my brother and we're gonna win those titles. So
I feel like they're gonna beat the New Day. They're
gonna go for the titles like they're gonna lose and
then he's gonna like shoot chair shot Jimmy.
Speaker 4: So shoot shoot.
Speaker 1: I would love it. I don't think they do this.
One of my favorite heel turns of all time is
the Second Shield breakup when Seth and Dean won the
titles and then right after they won the titles, Ambrose
turn on them. I would love them to do that
where Jay wins it and then like kind of even
says like, oh you like more like Jimmy, you need
me so like we're the reason we won these titles,
But I don't really need to do that, and like
does it matter because like a j and dragonly like
they're not gonna be a long term tag team.
Speaker 4: So I love that.
Speaker 1: Just the Jay so heel turned things scares me because.
Speaker 5: Like like they're gonna do like the nodi Q Jimmy
versus j I know we can't, we can't. The most
they both said that like they know the match was
bad last time. I feel like they're gonna want they
want to redeem it.
Speaker 1: How much power does the Simone dynasty have? Then you
don't you can redeem it on like a backlash, but
not at WrestleMania. I just because like at the same time,
I know, everyone celebrate when people are putting those tweets
of like the singles runs over like all these means,
but it's just like majority of the mainstream audience still
like has a good time with jau So it goes
back and forth, but they're still yen, They're still doing
this stuff like they don't care the same way we do.
So it's just and I don't think Jay's maybe who
knows because Naomi that was a surprise, but I just
I just don't.
Speaker 5: Like he like kills Jimmy and he goes off on
his paternity leave there.
Speaker 1: Well I could see it before because I still think
remember they did that goddamn tribal hair trademark. I still
if he turns heel, I do not think Roman versus
Jay is off the table. I think there's a good
chance that that happens with Jimmy like making the safe
or like making like doing something like that like I
which I don't think is as much as like Roman
and Cody scares me. Roman and j heel J. I
don't know how that's that sounds like a scary WrestleMania
match up. To me that that has I cannot wait
to listen to Meltzer's review of that match if that
match happens, And you know, and I wonder, like what
Jay's heel entrances but he does off for some reason,
but like I wonder, But uh, okay, So I'm I'm
gonna just to be positive. Say no, I'm gonna say
they win the titles and they're just happy. Maybe they
break the up down the line. And what do you
think is happening with the tag titles, David? It was
just winning this right away. Do you think there's some
chicane ray in there gonna be a heel turn? What
do you think is happening?
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna turn j heel just yet
because there's still so much money within his shirts and
his entrance and everything else. So but I do think
that they're gonna be winning the tag team titles pretty soon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll say I wanted to be them just winning
it and them facing like I don't know, like the
Lucha brosat Mania, But I feel like it's gonna be
the the Jades here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that'd be I didn't even think about that.
The Brothers us Brothers Tag Team. Yeah, yeah, there's something
there or they just do a schmaws. There was like
four of them everything, So we'll see. Is there anything
WW related wise, we've talked about like big storylines, something
we've missed out.
Speaker 6: On taking out. People think he's been fired by by
Triple Age. First.
Speaker 1: That was weird.
Speaker 4: That was that was a weird.
Speaker 1: That was an odd, odd scenario of people thinking that.
But uh, I guess it's just doing this thing.
Speaker 5: I feel like he like returns in the rumble. I
feel like they do this every year where someone gets
like taken out and then they come back.
Speaker 1: In the Rumble and maybe even up to like the Mania.
Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure
he has like the most matches worked out of anyone,
so he does just be like he gets his Christmas
break here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I listened to a Scena episode where he said,
like the most matches this year was La Night with
seventy seventies, Like I used to be wrestling like two
hundred and.
Speaker 4: Fifty six, So you know, it is crazy that way.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, oh, I guess like.
Speaker 5: The uh, well, we don't really know if we're gonna
have a show before the the fifth, I guess, or.
Speaker 1: I guess not, but I well, I think we'll have
a I think I think we'd probably have a because like, well, yeah,
even if it's that weekend. Yeah, I guess one hundred
percent confirms Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I'll say the other big thing is like the
whole women's tag titles thing or like now there's like
every single team in there.
Speaker 1: Right They've not officially made any matches though, right, No,
they've sort of.
Speaker 5: Just had been having like singles matches between different people
involved in all the teams. So it still makes me
wonder because right now there'd be I think six teams,
so it would be Rianneo Charlotte and Alexa Bailey and
Lyra Roxan and Live the Kabooki Warriors, Lash and Naya.
I think that's everyone who's involved in it so far.
So I'm wondering, like, is it just gonna be like
a massive I guess i'd be like the six Pack
Challenge TLC match, it's like one option or do you
do something else like a gauntlet or.
Speaker 1: Takeing Turmoil used to be yeah, which is a gauntlet
one by one? Yeah, I don't I would love it, obviously,
what I would love them to do is do some
sort of screwy finish where the titles get vacated and
then do like a big tournament.
Speaker 4: I know we've just did the Seen A tournament, but
I'd it if you could do that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think your theory when
you said, like whether it's some sort of multiple MENTLC
or something that makes sense. I'm just trying to think
about where they place it. Do they think that's on
the first Netflix or do they put them smacked And
because smackton is going to three hours now right beginning
of January, so I think you should probably do in
SmackDown where you give them the main event and then
just make like the last hour like with Entrances, Yeah,
with the Entrances celebration the last hour that thing. And
because I think too that I'll signify as far as.
Speaker 4: What are we doing with everybody?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: What are we doing with Charlotte and Alexa? What are
we doing with Rio and EO? Because like I fee
fill with like Ria and EO, it's if they pull
the trigger and give them the titles. I honestly think
they might have them till media. They might just run
with that for a little bit. So that's where it's like,
I with with this match will tell us a lot
what's going on. I think Lash and I are good
to be like a tag team for a little bit.
But same thing with Charlotte is she just gonna be
a tag team person in Gannaicamania or they don't want
to get her ready for WrestleMania. What is going because
she lost? Is Tiffany and like hurt or she just
time off right now, She's.
Speaker 6: Just time off. She was like all off all social
media until like a few days ago.
Speaker 1: And all I saw, Yeah, everyone's talking about who her
new guys and everything like that.
Speaker 5: But I think she's also Saudi Arabia two with like
Randy and Live and a bunch of other people.
Speaker 6: Oh Moss is there. I believe he is.
Speaker 1: I saw him behind, Like what's a loss in there?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I feel like she'll come back.
Speaker 5: I feel like she might just come back whenever Jade
has her next title defense.
Speaker 1: What a fucking just loop. They've been on the SmackDown
Women's They've been in this loop since like the week
after WrestleMania. It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 5: So and the whole thing with Mechen Cory Gridge just
like buried her on a commentary After's like they had
a segment where like, because it was supposed to be
like Jade versus Michen, We're gonna have a match on SmackDown,
like non title and Michen is like in Gorilla how
to make her entrance, and she's like cutting a promo
and Jade just like attacks her from behind and then
walks out. It's like like I forget, but she she
said like, oh, I don't need to fight Michin anymore.
And then Meechen came out with like a kendostick started
hitting her, but then Jade just like gets the upper
hand again, choke slams her and walks away, and Corey
Grace was like, I don't think we're ever going to
see Meachin challenging for.
Speaker 1: The title again, which is I'm sure they probably still
will do it because I will do like.
Speaker 5: The No d Q match, especially since they had like
Meechen was like about to get a table and like
Jane threw it away and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well and even then Jay, they're just trying
to figure so out because it wasn't a couple of
weeks ago, they just had her like beat up Chelsea
Green for all the reasons.
Speaker 5: Just yeah, she like she squat, Yeah, she she beat
up Chelsea Green. Then she had actually just like squashed
like Alba fire, and like like two minutes she had another.
Oh like bfab, she just like squashed be fab.
Speaker 1: So it's so funny that I because I remember, I
think it was PW Insider because they I think they
were the ones to confirmed the three hours and then
the same report it's like WW knows that there's some
issues with SmackDown, then there were gonna beat it up.
I feel like I've seen this same report three other
times this year, Like they know smackdowns and issue, It's
like they fucking fix the issue. I don't care if
ro Dog's your boy or whatever, like bringing new writers
send him there next to like if you know it's
an issue for this long, it's like, why is it
still an issue? Like we're getting close to Mania season,
like you got last year's bill was kind of men enough,
like start getting that going, get it to it because
like the last few times I've watched SmackDown, I'm like, man,
this show is very tough. The last time I watched
was something that stupid Cody and Drew Deek you finished.
We didn't talk about that out now it's like because
I'm not watching weekly and Esbos you told me before
and then we talk about Drew. But it's just like, so,
what are we gonna do Cody and Drew, whether it's
the first smack down the Air or at Rumble and
Cody's gonna beat him again? It's like, man like, at
least with the Jane Tiffany thing, it's like their first
match ends in DQ. Tiffany wins the first one, Jade
wins the next one, so like technically there is a
story of It's kind of like the rubber match, right that, Okay,
they're both tied one. What's gonna happen with Drew? It's like,
oh four, like like what's this like? And I guess
the story was what last and didn't Trew get like
a three counter someone? The ref was down right, they
did that at CERTA makes main events. I think that's
they're gonna be the story of, like, oh man, but
then they also just had him geek out to fucking
Drew like or Oba like and that's fine. Oba's top shit,
but just like they use them in just such a
like let's just make Oba look strong, Like I love McIntyre,
but they've done like I have no interest in Cody
and him again, other than Drew winning.
Speaker 4: That's the only way is like Drew.
Speaker 1: Has to win. But I feel like we've said that
like the last two times, and he don't win. He
doesn't win. He just like Cody finds a way to prevail.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I will say the only other good story on Smack
done right now is the the Ilias stuff, because I.
Speaker 1: Want to watch that Champa match. I've heard great things
about it, and I like, I used to.
Speaker 5: Say he hadn't done it much in this run, but before,
like in his previous before he got Injuri used to
say he would bleed in every single match, but like
like like busted out, Like he wouldn't played like you
get busted a hard single match.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this one was like this.
Speaker 5: Is probably one of his most extat like it looked
like he broke his nose or something because he was
bleeding like crazy in this match.
Speaker 6: But the matches have been really good.
Speaker 5: They kind of they've kind of like they call it
the Open Challenge but it's not really been an open
challenge anymore. It's more like he's just defending the title
of every week. But it's like it's not like he
waits in the ring and someone random comes out. It's
like they've been doing story lines with it, like, oh,
this person wants a title shot, so they talked to
Nick all this and Early is defending this week.
Speaker 1: But yeah, because it was it was like a I wouldn't. Yeah,
it was a weird, like for Dragon off being like
I'll take on all comers and he was always like
but not you. It was it was an odd story.
But like, I'm excited to watch batch because I'm a
big Champa fan from the the old n x T days.
He was a great hel and uh yeah, i've heard
nothing at things.
Speaker 5: That's cool, I'll say the story Now it seems like
it might actually happen that Carmelaays wins.
Speaker 6: This this US title because really the whole thing with.
Speaker 5: Champa is last week, Ilia defended against uh Mello and
Melo is like about to win and Champa like threw
him off the ring post and like then but Ilia
didn't cecil then he and then he was mad that
like Champo like like Mellow lost like unfairly. So then
he finally did the match against Champa. D I Y
and Candice come out there at the end after after
he beat Champa and they start beating him up.
Speaker 6: Mello comes out to the safe to like a mega
pop just.
Speaker 5: And they're channing for Melow and he's like, you know,
he's he takes out d I Y on his own
and then you know, he helps with Ilia. So I
feel like they're gonna do like him and him and
Ilia against d I Y. They probably beat d I
Y there, and then it seems I could see us
being first SmackDown of the year of doing Ilia versus
Mellow for the US title again with Melow winning.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're gonna do that? They're like baby
Babyface and mel is just gonna beat them. That's my
only thing is.
Speaker 5: I mean, they already did the match before a babyface babyface.
Speaker 4: But but I can't. But he didn't beat him, right,
Like I know, he beats Sam and.
Speaker 5: Shampa Costam and like Ilia hit his finisher and like
pinned them, and the crowd was like booing Ilia that.
Speaker 6: That Melow lost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And I.
Speaker 5: Think this would be their fit and they have like
a like if you count their next matches, I think
they'd be tied because I think it's like Mellow, Like
I think Mellow retained once Ilia beat him, Ilia retained
over him, then retained the US titles. Then if Mellow
beats him for the US title, they'd be tied.
Speaker 1: Okay, I hope, So I hope that's happens. Just because
the booking has been with him. I'm gonna say it's
not gonna happen. I say they're what they're gonna do
those They're gonna wait and see if the pops and
stuff sustained like the caring for So what I bet
is they're gonna give Mellow a great match with Elia,
but he's still gonna lose. But then will We'll see
because I could also see the US title. I wonder
WrestleMania if that if he gets a a one on
one match or if that's like a four six way
type of match with Elia and stuff, and that's where
it's like I could see Mellow maybe getting it, but
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, well we'll see. We're getting
the Rumbles season now we're getting Do you have any
draft updates spubs or have you not done that? Sure? Yeah,
give us that in the old transition, aw after that
because yeah, we only got two matches for olds in
right now, so well three, I guess.
Speaker 6: But so David has five hundred seventy two points.
Speaker 5: Uh, Travis has eight hundred and seventy one points, and
I have eight hundred and twenty seven points.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I just need Jericho not to come back,
Tony Kahan. I need you to give that big contract.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all of Carlos Silva that money.
Speaker 1: Jered good exactly.
Speaker 6: But even then I feel like you show up in
the road.
Speaker 1: He would Yeah, that'shy I don't want that. I want him.
I want him in aw now just for this point.
But uh yeah, speaking of that, like I said, we
don't have much. We have what we talked about the
last two episodes, which you kind of thought, and it's
right now. Currently the main event I'm assuming is Joe
versus Swore versus hang Man. Now the Diamond ring thing,
is that happening this Wednesday or is the next Wednesday?
Speaker 6: I think this Wednesday?
Speaker 1: This Wednesday, so, and I can't remember because it's dumb rules.
But MGFF doesn't have to he's also be in the
Battle Royal, right, I think no, he's just defending.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they I think what they did this
year is like I believe what they said is like
they have the Battle Royal to get like this shot
at the ring and also for a title shot. But
then I think they also mentioned something it's like, oh,
we don't know where MJF is, so if he doesn't
show up, then they get the ring or something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, because yeah, there's there wasn't think the second year
they did it that he was in the Battle Royal Again,
it was the last two that did it. But I
think they've changed that. So I guess we'll see in
the coming weeks. But I'm sure mgff's coming back.
Speaker 5: I'm sure this is the thing needs to be that
he needs to cash in one week in advance, like
he's gonna show up to this contract signing and cash in.
Speaker 1: For a second, maybe I was delusional. I really actually
enjoyed the match. For a second, I thought they were
gonna have Eddie beat Joe because I thought I always
thought Eddie Kingston the world type run he would get
would be like a month, a couple of weeks and
I thought, Man, imagine that he'll heat of Eddie winning
next week, he gets his victory speech and MGFF.
Speaker 4: Just beats him for it because I was like, oh,
I can see the vision.
Speaker 1: I can see like why they want to do this.
I still don't see the vision of this match of
Joe Swerven Hangman and MGFF. Don't get wrong, I think
the actual match will be good. I just don't. I
guess I don't see the vision of MGF wins. You know,
if he loses, then we'll talk about. But if he wins,
I always say, Okay, well you just should have kept
it on Hangman for that time. It would you could
still do the same storyline and him versus different ops
people everything like that. Obviously we'll see what happens there,
but yeah, we'll shoe well.
Speaker 5: I've been meaning about like MGF just winning it right away,
but I feel like he'll lose here, but with the
diamond ring gimmick, he'll get another title shot.
Speaker 1: I kind of love, I kind of love like I
want this. It's not the same way because they did
the whole week thing. I've always wanted this to happen.
I think I've pitched this before where I want a
money in the bank winner to get a Number one
Contenders match, have the match and it go super close
and they lose it, but then they attack the person
after the match in cashing right there. I've always wanted that,
and I wish they could have done that with the
cash and where let's say he wins the diamond ring thing,
he gets the shot, he loses the Joe or in
the four way, but then after cheats the way to
do it. No one's done the I'm waiting for someone
they're going to do in like.
Speaker 6: The for viden door match, because that was before they
changed the rules.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I thought Vin was gonna beat him and
then like the heel he would have been like he
cashed in right away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that to me is like a great way
of like or even if imagine you get the Network
Contenders match and you just start that match off for
like a low blow. You just beat the shit out
of the guy, and then you cash and right after
like such a good Healy way of like, oh, I
was never gonna wrestle that match. I was just gonna
use it to like take advantage and take you out.
But uh, Dave, what do you think's happening here at
again MGF not confirmed, but that looks to be the
thing at Worlds and the swoarway.
Speaker 4: Is MGF just taking it?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 4: Is there a Swerve in there?
Speaker 3: I think MJF comes back, but I'm not sure if
MJF takes it. I think that this could be a
chance that you could put the title back on Swerve
for a bit, because I mean he was he was
rocking and rolling for a while before injuries started to
derail him. And I know how much TK absolutely loves him,
so this could be a chance to put it back
on him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's one of those like the people talk
about like fed soldiers, like he's a dub soldier.
Speaker 4: He because if.
Speaker 1: People don't remember him. Adam Cole Weord the two people
that supposedly WW tried to like contract town for with
and they both went to Tony or like, hey, what's
going on? And I guarantee there's some people that didn't
go to Tony and were like just kept it quiet,
But Swerve was one of those people that went like, hey,
they're trying to like.
Speaker 4: Get me out of this contract right now.
Speaker 1: And obviously Swerve signed that Big five year deal two, right,
so like he's a guy like more than MGF. You know,
it swears around. I wouldn't mind it because like they
still have not done the swerve MGF like full storyline.
I think there's lots of meat on that bone. With
those two, it's just a question. And I think also
for them, it's kind of like what we've talked about
with Seth and everything. I think with their next six
to eight months plans, it's all about like what's happening
with Ospray, right, because if he is good to go
for all in, then like clearly that's the plan, right,
it's probably MGF versus Ospray. He'll babyface Osprey gets a
big win. But if he's not cleared, that completely changes
to me what allin would be, especially they're back in London,
so it's like I don't know what the plan could be,
and they probably know better about oustbrey condition than us clearly,
so yeah, we'll have to see. And then on the.
Speaker 6: Women's because I think he had like next surgery, right,
so that's like you never know how long that could take.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a bigger one too, So and then
on the women's side, right now, I kind of missed
this match was confirmed. I've not watched Collision, but this
is the juice. This is Chris Statler versus Jamie Hayter.
I did pitch just a couple episodes ago. I pitched
it though, Hater turning on Statlander.
Speaker 5: So I still see the female hangman versus a joke
where they do a few.
Speaker 6: Of these with yes turning.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I think is gonna happen, because I
don't know because if Stantleinder, I guess there are doing
like I guess you could do Statlander beats and they
just do another babyface for stat Lander.
Speaker 4: But I do think you could do, and I think
that's happened.
Speaker 1: Statlander's gonna win Hater turns on, whether it's the show
after or right after the match. I think Hater as
a heel probably should go down too, because if people
forget like that's how she started get over the crowd,
is her being a heel, and then they just flipped
her because it's like, well, people just enjoy her, right,
So I just think I Haters a baby face has
just been kind of flowing around. I think there's too
many like eccentric characters right now with Mina and Tony
and Chris and Willow, which we'll talk about. So I'm
kind of hoping or I just would like the Jamie
cheats to win and that's how you get the heel turned,
because I'd love her to get some juice. But I
think this match is gonna be really, really good. But
I see Statlander winning it because I feel like Tony's
been talking about stat Landers like a pillar for a
w lately of just anytime they're just like, who do
you see lead in the future. He's like, oh, Chris Statland.
It's like, well, that doesn't count. She's like she's the present.
Like I hate when he answers last time, soone asks
like who do you see is the future of that?
He's like, well, I think it's like Ousbrey Swerve and uh,
Chris Statlander. It's like, all right, cool, like Ausbrey, who's
gonna You're gonna, you know, give the crown to which
I get that's fine, but like stant Lander's already the champ,
Like I guess you call it the future. But like
I think people when they ask that question kind of
asking like, hey, who's wrestling in the dark match on collision?
Speaker 4: Do you think could be the future.
Speaker 1: But he always just goes with the Peel the Top
people right now, so which they are apparently bringing back
after Dark for a Dark for one night only, so
good job.
Speaker 6: For the car there, And it's just like very it's
just like one one pretty top star.
Speaker 1: I guess, just like that's all that Dark ever was Dark,
would always dark, would randomly have like one good like
top match, and I guess people like that. I guess
because they did. Like there is stuff where like they
had a match where it's like Harley Cameron versus Will
and I and get like on Dark like three years
ago when Harley was nothing right because the people have
shown that so like it is like a fun origin story.
But that's where it's like I don't have.
Speaker 5: Tea, Like there's so many people that you can find,
like their their aw Dark debut. There's a bunch of
nic people who wrestle like one match on Dark and stuff.
I think the big draw for for this Dark like
is like I think it's like all the male Death
Riders against a bunch of like UK indie guys.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course, yeah that'll be fun for that crowd.
But David, how do you see uh stanlerd and Hater going.
Speaker 3: I think uh Stettlander wins, but it's going to be
the continued slow devolving of her and Hater, and eventually
you're going to get it going from friendly robbery tell
all that warfare. Yeah, that's that's going to be the big,
the big battle.
Speaker 4: For a while.
Speaker 1: I'm down because I also think for me, Hater works
just very well as a heel. So we'll see that happens.
And then honestly, we got semi final number one number
two for the the way they put this, semi final
number one winner versus semi final number two winner, and
that's Gold league winner.
Speaker 4: Versus Blue league. Oh so we're getting three.
Speaker 1: I see what it is. Okay, so this is right.
They're doing the three matches again, two semi finals and
then the finals.
Speaker 4: Dave, what have you thought.
Speaker 1: About the C two. I think I've of the matches
that have happened, I think I've watched seventy five percent.
I've not seen the latest collision, which was also yesterday.
I've seen about seventy five percent of those. Do you
think about do you got any standouts right now or anything.
Speaker 3: I've been loving what they've been doing. With Claudio in there.
But you can't discount Takesha at anytime. I know how
much they love Takeshta, and so this would be a
good time to build up him, continue to build up Okada.
But man, I've been loving this shime that they've been
given to Claudio.
Speaker 1: M Yeah. I think for me, Claudio, that's been good stuff.
I'm interested to see what happens after the fact. I
had I think my favorite, because I have a ranking
on drop Kick, I think my favorite was the I
think it might have been the Okada Fletcher match up
until this week. Mike Bailey and Fletcher had a phenomenal matchup.
It was crazy good and that's what I was gonna say,
is the person that also.
Speaker 4: I love that they gave Night that Darby wind.
Speaker 1: That's what's needed. It sucks crazy we didn't talk about
was on the air yet crazy that all the shit
Derby does and just a Coast to Coast taking him out.
Like I said in the discord, that seth we maybe
got a banned the Coast to Coast where two top
stars are going out, just have Shane do it. But uh,
that was big and I like.
Speaker 5: The Coast to Coast where it looks cool, but he
doesn't touch anyone exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what you need, right, And I can't remember what
was the other right when Fletcher got that win, but yeah,
they gave Bailey the win over Fletcher here and that's
where night they're giving the showcase, I think with some
of the bigger moments matches. But Bailey he had a match.
I think his first round match was against pak which
was great because the last two minutes of the match
or maybe three, i'll say, the to the finish. Actually
it was just about who could kick each other hard enough,
and they did this thing where they're kicking each other,
and then they were both in the ring and they
both decided to back up and they want they bounced
on the ropes and they did like whatever. Drew's like,
what's his finish again? They claim, well, yeah, they did
like that. And they were both down and out and
they're down the rest checking on and everything like that,
and they were all outside the ring and they both
see each other from across the ring on the other side,
and they decided to run around the ring and du
it again on the outside. It was just great. It
just is like, okay, let's see who could kick each
other more. It was just such a just I love
when matches and side like this is gonna.
Speaker 4: Be our gimmick.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna make it that we're using the
same move who can do better? And pok up the
wind parks look good too. But Bailey is like and
I've like, I like Bailey, but I haven't seen much
of his teenage stuff. I've just heard about him a lot,
and I liked that triple threat he did with Omega
and Ricochet, But like, I think his running a he's
been good, you know, but this tournament I think is
really doing some stuff from butt him and Fletcher. Yeah,
it was like a work Ray main event level like
type of pay per view match.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was outstanding, And so for me, I think Bailey
is like he he might be coming out of this
tournament the wrestling star, but I know he is a
good wrestler. But he's been on some really good stuff.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but Bailey. Also, they did Bailey Versus
kind of a Night.
Speaker 4: Yes last night, right, Bailey? Really, I'm so.
Speaker 1: I guess that's probably why they gave a Night that
big Derby win because Night one lost to Fletcher, which
was a good match, and then he lost to uh
or No, did he not lose the Fletcher?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I gotta I'm behind because on my
seat two I thought he did. Yeah, like I said,
I'm my dropping. I'm trying to have them ranks. And
then at the end of the second remember it. But yeah,
so it's gonna be interesting. I still think it's gonna
be Takesha and Okada oh Man and Takesha had another
good one too. Shit it was it was on the
second whatever. His second match was heat a really good one.
But yeah, they're they're having some Oh it was him
and Roddy, Him and Roddy, because Roddy, I think is
gonna be the guy gets no wins this tournament. There's
always one. I think that one year was Jay Leefall.
I think Roddy because I think we all know that
was supposed to be Kyle Straw or Kyle Riley probably,
But Roddy and Takesha had this really good match as
well too, of just just kind of like they're not
powerhouses but like low Ki, like Roddy's pretty built and
Takesha is just a big guy. So no, there's been
some good ones, and I like that there's a lot
of like that Fletcher, I thought, oh, they can name
one defeated he loses.
Speaker 4: To Bailey randomly.
Speaker 1: I think they've it is one of the better years
of the finishes, aren't right now? One hundred percent of
what's gonna happen, you know? And actually too. Another good
one was a pack in Okada because they wrestled it
in a purely heel versus heel typeway, similarly me as
Fletcher and Okada.
Speaker 4: Then a moment where Ocada.
Speaker 1: Was gonna do so or Fletcher was on the top rope,
o'cada was down and he pushed the reft in the ropes,
and then five minutes later Fletcher did the same thing
of copying him. So I've liked a lot of the
heel versus heel matches because I think that they are
I like when they try to outchee each other. But okay,
so if we got to pick the four, who do
we think the four? Because I I think it's Fletcher, Ocada,
and Taqushta and I don't know who the fourth one's
gonna be. The get semifinals for World's End. That's where
I'm I'm tough on. I feel like it has to
be like another baby face if it's those three. But
unless you guys think it's somebody else, That's why I'm
throwing it out there. Who do you guys think will
be the top four when we get to world's end?
Speaker 2: No, I'm the same as you.
Speaker 1: So who's your fourth though? Because I don't have a
fourth dead I'm I'm I'm screwed.
Speaker 5: I mean, was like one, either Mox or Claudio would
make it to the right if you wanted to.
Speaker 1: It's already starting. It's already you can feel that vibe. Ready,
I'm ready. You know, sixteen times AW world champion. Let's go.
You know, like, what what a what a story from
Ox in twenty twenty five, you know, to be the
most hated man to like now crowds pop and form
everything like that, and people think he's killing TV. But
because that would be yeah, if you have a caught
up Takesha, Fletcher, and Mosley, technically that is all four heels, right,
which right, I guess this isn't for a title, so
doesn't he like it? It's for ATILE, it's not for MG,
It's not I meant for like fight mgf right, like
if he's a champion, so right, it is right.
Speaker 6: Sure your own like they're in your own university.
Speaker 1: It is yeah, okay, so okay Mosley.
Speaker 3: See I have Claudiokeshta, Fletcher Ocata.
Speaker 4: Okay, who gouda pick just to be different.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you can. I think that's where I'm gonna go.
I think they're gonna make Bailey the underdog because what
is it. It's gold league winner versus Blue league winners.
I'm trying to think who he could verse.
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like, unless you do the gimmick
of Okada finally just like loses the title, my not
making the finals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I if they do that, you're gonna I'm not
gonna do a full ramp, but like, I'll definitely bitch
him on a bit on the next episode of of
the Gimmick because like, to me, she's like, have him
lose it, don't do Like I still think the finals
should just be Okada Takesha. Takesha gets the big victory
and then he beats the big tournament winner guy. But
I'm trying to find I can find every fucking year,
but this year Google Images is just.
Speaker 6: Screwing me over, are you looking just for like all
the people in it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, so in fact, because I'm just trying to find out,
like what the finals, so if Bailey, because if Bailey
were to get there, so it I have been Mockster Takeshta.
I'm just trying to see what would be the better
prepairing for the two of them. I feel like if
it's Ocada Mocksley, that's dangerous. I don't know what time
match I will say, Okada has been Actually he's not
been sleep in this tournament. He's actually put in the work.
It's like when it's a tournament, he locks back into
New Japan side. It's like, oh, it's a tournament, you'd
tell me, but.
Speaker 2: Like tournament mode activated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just trying to think who would be better
because you can't do Ocado. So yeah, honestly, if it
was the finals, you'd probably if it got to those ones,
you'd have to do Ocada and probably Moxley and then
takesht and Bailey and then because I think to Keshan,
Bailey would be tons of fun and then make.
Speaker 5: Sense especially since their friend, like they're the ones that
are like friends in the don Kyles family.
Speaker 4: For some like yeah, right, I guess you and that's
what you could do.
Speaker 1: Also, right, you could do and Fletcher, Yeah, it's tough
for me, Like I'm being like, I'm trying to be
Devil's advocate, but I do really think it's just to
Kesha Moxley or Claudia. I guess, yeah, it's that's what
I like. There's I think we just know Daqushada. Yeah,
I think we just know Toketcha Cato at least are
to those slots. Yeah, I think those are locked, so
we'll have to see what happens there. But yeah, even Deronto,
like they gave him a win, you know, like he
beat Claudia and that that's why I like is Claudio
gets big wins, right, they make him beat Darby, they
make them beat Boxley, and then he loses to the
guy that's easily ranked last as term as far as importance.
But that's why it doesn't hurt Claudio because like, well,
he'll just beat two main inventors.
Speaker 4: And he can lose to them.
Speaker 5: Makes sense to since since just for the like CMLL
guy beat the guy with the with the title, since yeah,
and you can match on I'm pretty sure they announced
it for like a CMLL show, like Claude perfect the
title and.
Speaker 1: Then if Claudia wins, he gets his win back there. Right,
But again, like why isn't Claudia walking out with that title?
Bugs me a bunch. I at least saw one show
he didn't.
Speaker 4: There's one.
Speaker 1: I think the match with Moxley. He didn't, and it
bugged me same way as.
Speaker 6: Like Joe definitely seen a clip of him focus.
Speaker 1: Maybe once, just the same way as when Joe walked
out first time match no trio's title insight he had
the next time.
Speaker 4: But it's like these titles.
Speaker 6: But uh, I can read you guys the card for
this week's Dynamite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, what is it?
Speaker 6: And it's a it's a three hour special as.
Speaker 5: Well, because that's always there now with the every time
it's before a pay per view, since they don't have Collision,
they add the extra.
Speaker 6: Hour to uh to Dynamite.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: There's a Connell classic match you have Fletcher versus pac Oh.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be that's gonna be good because Pawk I
like the work he's doing. Okay, that's gonna be a
good one.
Speaker 5: The another classic match you have Dorada versus Orange Cassidy.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 1: That's a that's an interesting baby face babyface match right there.
That's gonna be I'm not saying it's gonna be bad.
I just have to see how that that looks in
my mind.
Speaker 4: It's a weird parent but okay.
Speaker 6: Then another classic match you have Moxley versus Roddy Strong.
Speaker 4: Oh, all good, we get to run back one of
my fair bits.
Speaker 1: I guess it happened this year is when they did
the Big Tag Team and Rod Marina came face to
face and I wonder, yeah, I wonder if they're gonna
play that back.
Speaker 5: And Marina has another match on this show, so they
could say she's not Yeah, and conall classic.
Speaker 6: If I think if you have someone at ringside you'll
get like banned, Yeah, so good reason, I fired. I think.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if she's out there this time,
I actually could see Roddy again the win. But you're right,
she won't be there, so that's a good reason. So okay,
but that'll be fun.
Speaker 5: Then you have a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
seven hundred and fifty thousand euro aka one million dollar
winner take all match between the Elite and the donk
House family and it's a winner take all match because
this is the money that the Elite won, but the
donk House family stole it.
Speaker 6: So now this is the match to win the same
money they already won. Now I need to win it back.
Speaker 4: Bid I hate the money.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't hate the many matches I hate,
like we're talking about the spamming of them. But on
that team though, it is Takesha and o'caa, right.
Speaker 6: It's Takeshta Okada and hetches Sero.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is gets Kenny in the Bucks.
Speaker 1: I like all that because you got o'cada that OSSI
has history with Bucks and Kenny, so we play on that.
Speaker 4: You got to catch you Ocada together.
Speaker 1: So absolutely absolutely he's there. But yeah, I like I
like that pairing, so that that that should be interesting
to see what o'conda do.
Speaker 3: Is there.
Speaker 6: So then you have an eight woman tag team match
of Class.
Speaker 1: Special.
Speaker 4: You got three hours.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do with all the top women?
Put them in the same match for ten minutes?
Speaker 5: Go So you have Mercedes, Athena, Marina and Meghan Vaine
versus the Babes of Wrath and the timeless love bombs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which we can stop to about there.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: I was very happy that they gave Harley and Willow
to win because I did like, Tony doesn't need like
a first ever. She's established. But I still didn't think
it was gonna poltry. I think we have Molple episodes
said like, oh, this is just no matter what, Willow
and Harley are losing, and they got it. The match
was like, it was fun up until the I can't
remember what the sequence was. It was Harley with somebody,
I think it was with Mina, and they had like
two to three like not botches, but just miscues in
a row, and it just like the momentum just.
Speaker 4: Halted, and it sucked that.
Speaker 1: I wish they kind of like obviously on TVs they
actually can't do that, but it just sucked that way
because they had like a good thing going and it
just kind of took a turn.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's that's fun.
Speaker 1: I guess. There were reports that Tony's like looking for
more women because he wants to put the tag team
secret like the.
Speaker 4: League like whatever the division up there.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like I have a
hard time believe that when you're just doing the eight
women tags and stuff. So I hope that happens, but
I'm happy they have to win.
Speaker 5: I don't really know what Mercedes is doing next, because
what I thought they were gonna do is like like
Willow and Harley were gonna win, and then you finally
do like Willow.
Speaker 6: And Mercedes, and that's how you continue a storyline.
Speaker 5: Well, then I don't really know what Mercedes is doing
unless you just get like the classic Mercedes of she gets.
Speaker 6: A random challenger like one week before the show, and
that's her.
Speaker 2: Probably.
Speaker 1: I was surprised on the show last night for rep
Pro apparently she retained that title.
Speaker 5: I thought she was going to lose they start they
apparently on the show they like to make people think
she was She put like all her British titles on
the line, like right before the match, and then she
still retained, so they would have been for like four titles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of spoils it then, So they were
surprised by Willow and Harley getting the win there first
ever aw Women Tag team champions.
Speaker 3: I thought that they would go with the timeless love bombs,
but I'm I'm happily surprised that they went with Willow.
Speaker 2: I think she deserves it. I really like Willow.
Speaker 3: I know TK really liked Swallow. So having them go
for a nice little run for a while with that
before turning it over to somebody else will be just
fun for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what else is left there?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 5: Then you have for the aw world tag teach Imian Chiefs.
You have f t R versus the Bang Pang Gang.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is like a clobbled what it's like, Juice
and one of the guns.
Speaker 6: Right, Juice and yeah, Juice and one of the guests.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because because that's the whole thing, Like I forget,
which I think Austin Gunn is the one who got injured.
Speaker 6: They got injured return match like right away?
Speaker 4: Yeah right, damn that sucks.
Speaker 5: And then you have the Diamond Ring Battle Royal and
then the contract signing, and I assume they'll probly be
one or two more matches on the show.
Speaker 1: I wonder the contract signing. I feel like that's where
we get MGF music, right, yeah, event that's the return.
Speaker 6: They all will be the main event. It'll be like
the Dynamite Man.
Speaker 1: It'll be the Yeah, it'll be the main event of Dynamite. Yeah,
that the top coup.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be the all sign yeah yeah, and then.
Speaker 5: Maybe I feel like I feel like, oh you know what,
that will be the main event of Dynamite, and then
they'll do like the diamond.
Speaker 6: Ring maybe on like the collision part of the show. Yeah,
let's just like and keep people watching. Whats not like
as important as the other matches.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Plus Mjf's there, so it's like, okay, he'll he'll defend
it against whoever wins this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd be watching from afar on commentary or something.
So yeah, we'll see, we'll talk about that in the future.
And then yeah, like I said, we will decide when
the next show is because obviously the twenty seventh is that,
but we'll wait till closer because the holiday, so show
will be, like I said, either last week December or
first week of January, and then probably the show after that,
we'll do our kind of year in awards. We'll everything
go out and then we'll do our year in awards,
and then we'll by the time then be doing Rumble
predictions and we're back in the many season already. Boys,
It's like it's not even that far away. It's a
couple months and we're already back there, and then we're
gonna be doing our draft shake up and then we're
gonna be redrafting.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the next few months we'll be busy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe twenty six GM.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very curious to see. Yeah, I'm curious see
what changes they do or if they don't. I have
a theory that they might not do too many changes
because they beached up. Suret the online, but I feel like.
Speaker 5: We're probably just gonna get like, well, my thing has been,
we're probably getting like Triple A and all the brands
and stuff like that. It's like, I mean, because that's
like it's not like TNA where it's apparntship like they
literally own Triple as true, like they have c W.
Speaker 6: And w c W and they're like, I feel like
you're gonna get Triple A as like a brand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, jam No, that's true. Yeah, you get fucking iguana
in there everything like that. So yeah, so yeah, lots
of stuff is gonna be happening. We're not gonna have
a lack of content. So yeah, we'll be back at
some point, uh in that timeline, and I promise you
it'll not be boring. Thanks for listening, but