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<v Speaker 1>I'll go to quick quick question. I want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on to know what's on your mind. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>got a quick quick question for you. The answer is

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<v Speaker 1>not recording, and I'm just by the week and talk tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's your favorite you again? What d you love?

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<v Speaker 1>You see? Best friends? And comedy?

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<v Speaker 2>If there's an answer that I'm gonna find it, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you'll have a great time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you have a great time.

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<v Speaker 3>You We're back.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the podcast. We wanted to jump right into it

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<v Speaker 2>this week. Sore in huge news. I think you can

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<v Speaker 2>already tell got a new hat. Dad's got a new hat.

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<v Speaker 2>Really happy with this hat. It's uh, it fits my

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<v Speaker 2>head better than a lot of other hats. It's comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>I could do a frontwards or backwards. I think I could.

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<v Speaker 3>I could do sports in it.

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<v Speaker 2>I could run in it, But but I want to

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<v Speaker 2>keep it nice, so I'm probably let's.

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<v Speaker 4>Take it for a spin. Can you put it on

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<v Speaker 4>backwards for a second without doing too much damage to

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<v Speaker 4>your headphones? So yeah, let me just see. Yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a solid hat, so really good ventilation. How's your it?

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<v Speaker 3>Really does it? It's great?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it a golf hat.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know it's a it's under armour, and I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, having done no research into this, I think

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<v Speaker 2>under armour is like a pretty cop coated brand.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that's I don't think that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, great, Nah, you're okay. I think maybe it's possible

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<v Speaker 4>that cops are wearing that like neoprene, but it's I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's like it is, it's all athlete coded. I think,

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<v Speaker 4>I think I remember is finally athlete coded.

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<v Speaker 2>Every once in a while, I've come across something that

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<v Speaker 2>that I've learned was owned by a subculture of some kind,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't I don't know how pervasive is it

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<v Speaker 2>it is, or if it's if it's truly just the

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<v Speaker 2>internet and like the Internet people that I hang out

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<v Speaker 2>with where like you find it like, oh, New Balance

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<v Speaker 2>is the preferred shoe of white supremacists, and I was like, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>but but I like some of their shoes. And I

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<v Speaker 2>I showed up to a work thing with with a

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<v Speaker 2>pair of salmon shorts because it was summer, and my

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<v Speaker 2>coworker started joking about, like, oh, those are the shorts

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<v Speaker 2>that like you see someone of those shorts that those

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<v Speaker 2>are the shorts of the person who says trust the market,

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<v Speaker 2>the market will correct itself. What thatff, I just liked them.

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<v Speaker 4>Pretty fern, pretty solid burn. This has happened my friend

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<v Speaker 4>ed friend of the show at Wilson. He ordered a hat,

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<v Speaker 4>a skate hat from a company that was similar Lids

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<v Speaker 4>of Jason I guess, and they sent him the wrong hat.

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<v Speaker 4>They sent him a hat that just said on it,

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<v Speaker 4>happy Dad. And he was like, I'm a dad. That's perfect,

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<v Speaker 4>And then he started wearing it because he was like

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<v Speaker 4>the out to wear this instead, like I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to deal with the hassle and out in the streets

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<v Speaker 4>people will be like fuck yeah, happy Dad, and he

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<v Speaker 4>was like I am and he was like he was

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<v Speaker 4>getting a lot of attention and he was really excited

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<v Speaker 4>about that. He did not know at the time that

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<v Speaker 4>that's happy Dad. Hard Seltzer, which if you're not familiar,

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<v Speaker 4>uh some some serious magatize They are aligned, Yeah, maga

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<v Speaker 4>aligned Hard Seltzer company that is I think the co founder,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the founders was like a prank started as

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<v Speaker 4>a prank channel. He was like this controversial prank channel

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<v Speaker 4>guy and then uh boy, yeah, a pipeline and then

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<v Speaker 4>they because I think he got a lot of pushback

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<v Speaker 4>from that. Obviously, people who anyone who gets public pushback

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<v Speaker 4>falls into the right, because that the right is like,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll take anyone. Hey, as everyone is the woke mob

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<v Speaker 4>getting you come to us, let's get rid of all that.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you think, go, yeah, we should get It's not

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<v Speaker 4>my fault, it's their fault. And so then and then

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<v Speaker 4>heart Seltzer was the uh, I guess the the end

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<v Speaker 4>goal of all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder how uh, almost without exception the the Jackass Crew,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the platonic ideal of whimsical pranksters, haven't fallen

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<v Speaker 3>That hard right uh ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as far as I know, I'm I'm almost positive.

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<v Speaker 2>Really no, I don't think so, but I but I

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<v Speaker 2>like them, sore in, but I like them. I invented

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<v Speaker 2>a premise and I'd like it to be true.

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<v Speaker 4>The other thing that I that happened to me with

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<v Speaker 4>that is the to me myself was I owned a

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<v Speaker 4>Fred Perry sweater. And if are you familiar with the

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<v Speaker 4>brand Fred Perry at all?

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<v Speaker 3>I am not?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, are you familiar with a black polo shirt that

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<v Speaker 4>has gold piping along the collar of it and has

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<v Speaker 4>a little gold pipe, a little gold brand in the corner.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you seen that on maybe some boys singing proud

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<v Speaker 4>of you, proud of my boy.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I have not.

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<v Speaker 4>It's probably I probably all wear the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>They have a uniform, it's a Fred Perry shirt. I

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<v Speaker 4>bought a Fred Perry sweatshirt, I mean a sweater, not

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<v Speaker 4>knowing any of this at the time. It was a

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<v Speaker 4>it's brown and think that the emblem's blue. But boy,

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<v Speaker 4>that did not matter. As soon as did anyone sell

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<v Speaker 4>that emblem, they were.

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<v Speaker 3>Like what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, oh, oh no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>no no, And then I just basically stopped wearing it

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<v Speaker 4>and then started to kind of feel bad for Fred Perry. Sure,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think they asked for that.

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<v Speaker 3>I often.

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<v Speaker 2>Very at a at a great distance, will will feel

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<v Speaker 2>bad for some uh MAGA aligned folks because for for us,

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<v Speaker 2>like I would feel self conscious wearing new balanced shoes

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<v Speaker 2>or uh you feel even a tiny bit self conscious

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<v Speaker 2>wearing like flag iconography now because that like they're the

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<v Speaker 2>patriotism to Mega pipeline is is is too fraught at

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<v Speaker 2>this moment that I don't want to wear like an

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<v Speaker 2>American flag on my hat because.

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<v Speaker 4>New balance, New balance is that true? New balance has

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<v Speaker 4>new balances like the shoe of choice for the far right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah didn't I Is that not what I said earlier?

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<v Speaker 4>It is oh oh fuck me? Yeah I okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 3>But so like I'm looking at this in the micro

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<v Speaker 3>where it's like, ah, rats.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wear newalle shoes as much as I used to,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't wear like a thing with an American

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<v Speaker 3>Ah rats.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I think about the amount of stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>people on the right and far right need to pretend

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<v Speaker 2>they don't like, and that list is fucking huge. We're

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<v Speaker 2>of course, like I'm dripping in examples of it. Because

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<v Speaker 2>of the job that I have. I've just been forced

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<v Speaker 2>to consume so much conservative media, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I just they won't consume it.

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<v Speaker 3>Myoing everything.

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<v Speaker 2>My heart breaks every once in a while when they

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<v Speaker 2>have to, just like Sean Hannity needs to get on

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<v Speaker 2>TV and pretend Beyonce has no talent like all I like.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of years ago, Bruce bergersty started being very

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<v Speaker 2>vocal and critical about the administration, and people have to

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<v Speaker 2>just just suddenly be.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, you know, you know what, I yep, never liked him.

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<v Speaker 2>I never liked his his working class, straight down the barrel,

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<v Speaker 2>rock and roll, joyful stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I've always this whole time liked present.

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<v Speaker 1>Day kid Rock.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's my favorite guy. My bread and butter.

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<v Speaker 2>Kid just just uh dream blunt rotation of kid Rock

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<v Speaker 2>and my favorite actor, John Voight.

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<v Speaker 4>I't maybe I think I like Kanye West, but I

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<v Speaker 4>can't remember. Yeah, it is, he had like a clear

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<v Speaker 4>he's got it. Trump's got a clear act to grind

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<v Speaker 4>for Brisprainstein because he talked about it during the even

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<v Speaker 4>the Correspondents dinner. But it is really really funny that that,

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<v Speaker 4>first of all, that everybody's impulse is that when there's

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<v Speaker 4>not a group of somebody who they're not allowed to

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<v Speaker 4>not to be like, fuck, that sucks. I really liked

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<v Speaker 4>that person. It's to go. I never liked the art

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<v Speaker 4>that they made.

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<v Speaker 3>It's and it happens. It happened to our tribe too,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>It happens our tribe when uh, Louis c K.

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<v Speaker 2>When those allegations were made incredibly public about his sexual

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<v Speaker 2>assault and misconduct, everyone was just like, yeah, fuck this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He you know, we don't need to keep giving him

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<v Speaker 2>money and keep supporting him financially.

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<v Speaker 3>Sucks that he did this, this this horrible stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And people online were like, are we now ready to

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<v Speaker 2>finally have the conversation about how he's an overrated comedian.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, that's not what we're talking Well, hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>fuck the guy, but like, hold on, though, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna you're putting me in a position where I'm where

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I need to pull out some specific

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<v Speaker 2>bits that he's done as iconic and I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do that.

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<v Speaker 3>This isn't going to turn into like a world tour celebration,

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<v Speaker 3>but like, we can't you can't pretend.

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<v Speaker 4>The worst are the people who are reconning it like

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<v Speaker 4>they notice something some moral failing in the human before

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<v Speaker 4>that point where they're like, yes, I never liked him

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<v Speaker 4>and I couldn't understand why until now. It's like no,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you don't have esp You're not picking up

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<v Speaker 4>a different wavelength than the rest of us, right.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't see a special or an episode of his

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<v Speaker 2>groundbreaking television show, and me like, I think this guy

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<v Speaker 2>was masturbating in front of master baking in front of

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<v Speaker 2>women without their consent.

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<v Speaker 3>That there's something about.

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<v Speaker 2>This short film starring Jeremy Renner he made that makes

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<v Speaker 2>me think writer director.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I think that the I don't know, those

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<v Speaker 4>people are just trying to keep their own record unblemished.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they're just like, I've gone completely undefeated this

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<v Speaker 4>whole time. I've never fallen for anyone who was potentially problematic,

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<v Speaker 4>which is like a weird record to try to hold.

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't it more impressive to have liked something terrible and

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<v Speaker 4>then even if it was like you liked what was

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<v Speaker 4>terrible about it at the time, and then over time

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<v Speaker 4>to be like, oh, you know what, I fucked up? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I see now that that was bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I know people who who work very hard to cultivate

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<v Speaker 2>like all of their tastes around someone that they've around,

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<v Speaker 2>artists that they've they've thoroughly vetted as unproblematic. Yeah, as

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<v Speaker 2>of right now, like checking every box and going through

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<v Speaker 2>every potential thing that could one day be remembered negatively

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<v Speaker 2>by history as social more race change. And I look

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<v Speaker 2>at these people and I think it's it just seems

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<v Speaker 2>so stressful. It seems so and and there are there

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<v Speaker 2>are traps. You know, Mumford and Sons probably seem safer

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like telling me poems saw in the newspaper.

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<v Speaker 4>It sucks, But that's novels. That's you're given. You're allowing

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<v Speaker 3>We can we can, we can shake hands on huck

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Now forget I said huck fang for a second,

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<v Speaker 4>I would love for you to do the audiobook version

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<v Speaker 4>of a Penguins calling you or something like uh. And

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna pay you a million dollars, million dollars, million dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>But they have not said, and they will not say

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<v Speaker 4>until you're on the day what book it's gonna be.

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<v Speaker 3>Will you do it? I I cannot. I cannot know.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I cannot end up doing the audio book

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<v Speaker 4>So because I can't, I can't make it clear, by

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<v Speaker 4>the way, it's Brian Johnson.

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<v Speaker 3>Brian Johnson, forgive me.

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<v Speaker 4>got Oh fuck, it's possible I'm wrong. Is that the

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<v Speaker 4>Please, yeah, it's Brian Johnson.

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<v Speaker 4>Brian Johnson is also the name of the lead singer

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<v Speaker 4>of A C D C. So I was momentarily panicked

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<v Speaker 4>that I somehow complated, But now you're right twice.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm right.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm right on all fronts. He the most recent news

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the latest news.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought the latest news was that like he cloned

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<v Speaker 2>You know who who I remind myself of in this

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<v Speaker 3>We just wanted to live, live and teach. And people

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<v Speaker 4>throughout the night. We wanted to compare our own erections

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<v Speaker 3>Drinking blood and asking questions about owners.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you've ever found yourself awake at two am,

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<v Speaker 4>You're not alone those unexpected moments are part of having

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<v Speaker 3>I can't add a disclaimer in the in the audio book. No,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't. They don't let you. They don't let the

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<v Speaker 4>Not me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what about this. I did this for

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<v Speaker 4>What if they were like, we will, we'll make sure

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<v Speaker 4>that it is a classic within its genre. Now do

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<v Speaker 4>will you do it for a million dollars?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's you're still there's the huck Finn of

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, good, congratulations. Well your book is gonna be The

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<v Speaker 4>Joy Luck Club. There's a lot of dialogue in it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's super important that you do it. You try to

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<v Speaker 4>emulate the voices as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>What are the voices?

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<v Speaker 4>Amy Tan? The Joy Luck Club is a story about Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you heard the name and you knew immediately. You know what.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't have to do the job. We're gonna have

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<v Speaker 4>you do the color purple. It's a pistolary and it's

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<v Speaker 3>So this is the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been listening to a lot of audiobooks. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 4>the whole show. I've been reading a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm glad show escaped your mouth because for a

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<v Speaker 4>So I listened to audiobooks on my way to work

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<v Speaker 4>different people to do the voices, and at least not

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<v Speaker 4>in the audio book circles in which I frequent, But

425
00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:57.359
<v Speaker 4>it's one guy and they're usually pretty good. I mean,

426
00:22:57.359 --> 00:22:59.359
<v Speaker 4>they're sound like voice actors. They've got a lot of

427
00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:01.759
<v Speaker 4>gravitas with they're just reading the narration, and then when

428
00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:03.799
<v Speaker 4>they do the voices, they pick something for everybody. This

429
00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:05.559
<v Speaker 4>guy's picked for the main character. He's got like the

430
00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:06.559
<v Speaker 4>South African voice.

431
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<v Speaker 3>That's very cool.

432
00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:11.599
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, yeah, he whippings wick.

433
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<v Speaker 3>Are you crazy?

434
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:21.319
<v Speaker 4>That's exactly what the character sounds like. He he has

435
00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.359
<v Speaker 4>to do a Chinese detective every once in a while,

436
00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.359
<v Speaker 4>and he's taken a really big swing on this Chinese detective.

437
00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:30.200
<v Speaker 3>That's it really throws you out of the book.

438
00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:32.519
<v Speaker 4>But the most startling example that I've come up with

439
00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:37.839
<v Speaker 4>so far, and everybody again, nobody's talking about this, uh is.

440
00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:42.039
<v Speaker 4>I listened to Stephen King and there's the whole Dark

441
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.559
<v Speaker 4>Tower series which people have raved about, people who I

442
00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.079
<v Speaker 4>respect have raved about it. And so I was like, well,

443
00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.559
<v Speaker 4>I better read this. And you get into this book

444
00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:53.160
<v Speaker 4>called The Drawing of the Three, and in that there's

445
00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:56.279
<v Speaker 4>a character named Debtah Walker, And I want you to

446
00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:59.559
<v Speaker 4>just hear some of what deada Walker sounds like.

447
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:05.359
<v Speaker 5>The chambers swung open, loaded, fucking be loaded. You're gonna

448
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.640
<v Speaker 5>do this young cock of the walk first, and that

449
00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:09.960
<v Speaker 5>really bad man be waking up, and you're gonna give

450
00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:13.000
<v Speaker 5>him one big grin smile, honey child, so I can

451
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.279
<v Speaker 5>see where you ease. And then you're gonna clean his

452
00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:19.640
<v Speaker 5>clock something righteous. She swung the chamber back.

453
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<v Speaker 3>Here's here's here's what I think, Soren, Yeah, go ahead.

454
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<v Speaker 3>I think go for it. I think the reader went.

455
00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:35.160
<v Speaker 3>I think that's what you have to do. I think

456
00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:36.440
<v Speaker 3>I think that's.

457
00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Less enjoyable as a piece of media to listen to.

458
00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:48.799
<v Speaker 2>If if the reader is timidly, if I'm just saying

459
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:53.160
<v Speaker 2>all those words in this unaffected voice and I'm not

460
00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:58.319
<v Speaker 2>changing diss to this, I'm just using my normal nasal

461
00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Daniel O'Brien voice to say dis motherfucker loaded, that's way

462
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:09.200
<v Speaker 2>worse than someone doing a voice. I think, Soren, my

463
00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:10.640
<v Speaker 2>white friend, what do you think?

464
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:13.279
<v Speaker 4>I think it's a fucking trap. I think that there

465
00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:16.319
<v Speaker 4>is no good answer. I think that if this guy

466
00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:18.119
<v Speaker 4>did it this way, the way that he chose, which

467
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.799
<v Speaker 4>is the very biggest swing, I'm like, whoa, I have

468
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:24.720
<v Speaker 4>to stop whatever. I'm about to pull over because I'm like,

469
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:25.880
<v Speaker 4>are we are?

470
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:29.000
<v Speaker 3>Is he doing this? What is going on here?

471
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.440
<v Speaker 4>And there's a lot of uh him saying honky in it,

472
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:38.119
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of like him really really like diving

473
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:41.039
<v Speaker 4>into this accent and whatever's written on the page, which

474
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:43.119
<v Speaker 4>you're trying to be faithful to the original author.

475
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:45.240
<v Speaker 3>I get it. Yeah, but no one ever.

476
00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.599
<v Speaker 4>Anticipated this moment when it would have to be read

477
00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.119
<v Speaker 4>out loud, and which is the one you're proposing, would

478
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.279
<v Speaker 4>be just as I think it's just as bad, which is,

479
00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:56.960
<v Speaker 4>you don't go for it. You try to cover your

480
00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.519
<v Speaker 4>tracks as best you can, you mitigate the damage, and

481
00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.720
<v Speaker 4>you just read it in your your ordinary voice, the

482
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.799
<v Speaker 4>way when I or you when you are speak Spanish,

483
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.640
<v Speaker 4>when we're like, I'm gonna put the accents in.

484
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:10.680
<v Speaker 3>That's I know that.

485
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:13.079
<v Speaker 4>That's where they go like, I'm gonna do that, I'm

486
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:16.200
<v Speaker 4>gonna roll my rs and stuff. But I don't think

487
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:18.720
<v Speaker 4>that's I don't think I'm totally allowed to do that.

488
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.400
<v Speaker 4>And so but I'm not gonna speak it like a gringo,

489
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:30.079
<v Speaker 4>you know, like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be like,

490
00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:35.519
<v Speaker 4>yeah me lapize as grande. I'm a rio, Like I'm

491
00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:38.599
<v Speaker 4>not gonna do that. I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm

492
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:43.400
<v Speaker 4>a rio. So, uh, I don't know what the I

493
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:45.039
<v Speaker 4>don't think there is a good answer for it. I

494
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.160
<v Speaker 4>don't know how you do this other than if they

495
00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:52.039
<v Speaker 4>hire more than one person to do the voices in

496
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.079
<v Speaker 4>a book, which I don't think is a terrible idea.

497
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:57.200
<v Speaker 4>I think that would be pretty fucking rad.

498
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:58.759
<v Speaker 3>It's an expensive idea.

499
00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:01.400
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, I guess you're right.

500
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:04.359
<v Speaker 2>And then you're getting into like directors too, because you've

501
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:06.200
<v Speaker 2>got to like do a whole thing about it. And

502
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that we can guarantee that kind of

503
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:10.359
<v Speaker 2>treatment across all books.

504
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:11.440
<v Speaker 3>There are so many books.

505
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:14.839
<v Speaker 4>Well, let's see, you are going to be your publishing house,

506
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:19.160
<v Speaker 4>so you're creating these you've got you're clearly doubling up

507
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.920
<v Speaker 4>on guys anyway. You've got guys that are reading multiple books.

508
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:24.279
<v Speaker 4>Every Stephen King book I've read so far has been

509
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:26.880
<v Speaker 4>this one guy. Every Raymond Chandler book is the same guy.

510
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:32.079
<v Speaker 4>So you have somebody you can bring in who is

511
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:35.240
<v Speaker 4>your goon and like he's just doing every goon part

512
00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:38.559
<v Speaker 4>there is. Yeah, not the modern meeting of goon.

513
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 3>No, Stephen King hasn't gotten to that scary story yet.

514
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:49.279
<v Speaker 3>A the goon Cave coming next from Stephen King? What

515
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:51.039
<v Speaker 3>will happen in the goon cave?

516
00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:56.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you got your tough guy, you've got your nerd,

517
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:00.079
<v Speaker 4>You've got you've got these the stable of people, and

518
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:02.519
<v Speaker 4>you're like, these are these are who plays each one

519
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:04.319
<v Speaker 4>of these roles, and I know that they do it well.

520
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.359
<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to deviate from it. And in addition

521
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.119
<v Speaker 4>to that, you're also going to make sure you have

522
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:12.319
<v Speaker 4>one of those for every ethnicity.

523
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.880
<v Speaker 2>What does your Dark Tower Reader do? Because there is

524
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 2>a prominent child in that series, and there are also

525
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.359
<v Speaker 2>I think women.

526
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:27.319
<v Speaker 3>What does he does? He have a little kid voice?

527
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.119
<v Speaker 3>Does he have a white lady voice?

528
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.079
<v Speaker 4>You bet great, He's got it all. He's got a

529
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.119
<v Speaker 4>little kid voice. And it's also pretty grading, but it's

530
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:37.000
<v Speaker 4>not offensive.

531
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:42.119
<v Speaker 3>It's a real. I cannot stand adults acting like children.

532
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:45.400
<v Speaker 3>It's a real. It made the Alien Earth show very

533
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.039
<v Speaker 3>difficult for me to watch. I don't know if you've

534
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.279
<v Speaker 3>seen that show, but it's that's it. It's a lot

535
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.200
<v Speaker 3>of it. It's a lot of it is adults.

536
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:54.839
<v Speaker 2>Acting like children. And it's like fucking theater. People love

537
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:58.759
<v Speaker 2>doing that kind of theater. Kids love pretending like their children.

538
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:00.240
<v Speaker 2>They love it so fucking much.

539
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:01.240
<v Speaker 3>It sucks. I hate it.

540
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:05.319
<v Speaker 4>They love to stretch. Yeah, it's like that's like the

541
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:07.960
<v Speaker 4>challenge of it. They're like, oh yeah, oh, this is

542
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.319
<v Speaker 4>this role is a stretch. Let's try it. Let's try it.

543
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.000
<v Speaker 4>And they get excited about that kind of thing. They

544
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.480
<v Speaker 4>love playing old man. Yeah, did you ever see the

545
00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:19.680
<v Speaker 4>show Penn fifteen. I thought they did that really well

546
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:22.559
<v Speaker 4>where they like make kids play fifty grizzled fifty year

547
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 4>old people from New York.

548
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:25.079
<v Speaker 3>That's good stuff.

549
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>There was this characterization and an audiobook thing, and I

550
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.160
<v Speaker 2>still think I'm team go for It instead of Team Welden.

551
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.400
<v Speaker 2>You're winning because that team give people jobs. There was

552
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.119
<v Speaker 2>this is such a time capsule, but I believe it

553
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:51.039
<v Speaker 2>was one of the bonus features in the DVD of

554
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.759
<v Speaker 2>one of John Mullaney's comedy specials where there is you

555
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:57.119
<v Speaker 2>could probably find it on YouTube, but it's like a

556
00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:04.799
<v Speaker 2>conversation between Mullaney and Dan Mintz and Anthony Jesselnick, who

557
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 2>especially at this time like this this has got to

558
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>be New in Town or the one after that John

559
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.039
<v Speaker 2>mllaney special called New in Town. This is at a

560
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>time where like Mullaney was famously this is this is

561
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.880
<v Speaker 2>pre backslide Mullaney, pre divorce Mulleney, pre marriage Mulleny where it.

562
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.200
<v Speaker 3>Was like, this is what a what a nice man

563
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:27.759
<v Speaker 3>in a suit?

564
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:30.960
<v Speaker 2>You know he's not clean, but it seems like clean

565
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:34.200
<v Speaker 2>comedy this is such a good old boy. We like

566
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:36.880
<v Speaker 2>John mulaney, who wears a suit, he's a showman, his

567
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.759
<v Speaker 2>hair is combed. And Anthony Jesselnick is like a dark comedian.

568
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:42.720
<v Speaker 2>He's the rose guy and he's evil and he's the

569
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:44.799
<v Speaker 2>devil and you know, dead baby jokes and this and

570
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.440
<v Speaker 2>that and UH politically incorrect as far as you can get.

571
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.839
<v Speaker 2>And the two of them talking about John Special in

572
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:58.640
<v Speaker 2>this UH DVD bonus feature hit on something so interesting.

573
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:03.720
<v Speaker 3>Because Mullaney will tell he will talk about law and order,

574
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:05.079
<v Speaker 3>and he will do.

575
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 2>An impression of iced tea that's as accurate as he

576
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>can get, and he will also talk about encounters with

577
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.000
<v Speaker 2>people that he has on the streets of New York

578
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>and it has him doing a black voice, like there's

579
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.799
<v Speaker 2>no way around it that this is like, and jessel

580
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Neck confronts him about it, and it's just like, for

581
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>all the dark stuff that that for my reputation of darkness,

582
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I would never do that.

583
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 3>I would never in a million years.

584
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Get on stage and do black voice because it seems

585
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.799
<v Speaker 2>so inappropriate and Malay. It's just like that's what he

586
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:46.359
<v Speaker 2>sounded like. So on some level, when the guys are

587
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>reading the audio books.

588
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that self.

589
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Justification is like, this is I'm reading the page, and

590
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 2>it is my job to interpret interpret what the author

591
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:57.880
<v Speaker 2>is trying to say on the page. This is what

592
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.880
<v Speaker 2>this character sounds like. So I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna

593
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.519
<v Speaker 2>do it. You hired me, and you bought the audiobook.

594
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 2>You trusted me to interpret this book for you. Here's

595
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 2>how I'm doing it.

596
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:14.680
<v Speaker 4>Okay, you're right on some level, But I have to

597
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.799
<v Speaker 4>think that twenty years from now, when everybody else starts

598
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.000
<v Speaker 4>listening to only audiobooks and we've all forgotten how to read,

599
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.359
<v Speaker 4>this will be as big a problem as Mickey Rooney

600
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.440
<v Speaker 4>and Breakfast at Tiffany's. He went for it, he got

601
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:29.599
<v Speaker 4>hired at a job. At the time, it didn't seem

602
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.279
<v Speaker 4>crazy in the moment. Then they were like, they're like,

603
00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:35.240
<v Speaker 4>what's the best you can do? And he's like, well,

604
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:37.200
<v Speaker 4>I really should steer into the skid here, I should

605
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:39.079
<v Speaker 4>just really go for it, and did.

606
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:41.559
<v Speaker 3>And boy does it not age.

607
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 5>Well.

608
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:47.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I think that here's the other part of

609
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:50.160
<v Speaker 4>this that I offered you a million dollars, because even

610
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:51.640
<v Speaker 4>for less than that, I don't think you could do

611
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 4>it as a already public figure. I think a lot

612
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:55.960
<v Speaker 4>of these guys who are doing these voices. Maybe again,

613
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't travel in the same circles of voiceover actors,

614
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:04.000
<v Speaker 4>But these guys aren't well known enough that somebody's reading

615
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.200
<v Speaker 4>gonna listen to the audiobook simply because they like the

616
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.640
<v Speaker 4>guy reading it. They're not gonna be like, oh, I

617
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.880
<v Speaker 4>love his work, I'll check out that book. I think

618
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.359
<v Speaker 4>that if you did it, that would happen, and that's

619
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.440
<v Speaker 4>more dangerous. That's more dangerous.

620
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.839
<v Speaker 3>Because then I'm courting the controversy a little bit. Yeah,

621
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.920
<v Speaker 3>but I wanted the money. I want the money that

622
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:34.720
<v Speaker 3>people stop sh I want the money, I mean.

623
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:36.440
<v Speaker 4>And also, just listening to these I'm sure that there

624
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:38.880
<v Speaker 4>is a ton of work that goes in before this

625
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.759
<v Speaker 4>has ever read. It's not like the guy shows up

626
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:42.400
<v Speaker 4>on the day and he's like, well, the words right there.

627
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:44.319
<v Speaker 4>I obviously don't have to memorize them because nobody's looking

628
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.079
<v Speaker 4>at me. What if I just read it on the day,

629
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:49.759
<v Speaker 4>that can't possibly be it, because he's got to make

630
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:51.920
<v Speaker 4>big decision. I always sing, he I guess there's women

631
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:52.839
<v Speaker 4>who also do these.

632
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:54.839
<v Speaker 3>Shout out Dorothea Lewis.

633
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.200
<v Speaker 2>He's a friend of mine who reads audiobooks shout out

634
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<v Speaker 2>Dorothea Lewis aka a.

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<v Speaker 4>Real digging against me that it's clear that even though

636
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<v Speaker 4>I'm burning through audiobooks, I haven't done a single one

637
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<v Speaker 4>that's clearly written from the perspective.

638
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<v Speaker 3>Of a woman.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, I'm sorry, I will I'm gonna read The Joylut

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<v Speaker 4>Club next, I promise.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, God completely think there's a lot of work that

642
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<v Speaker 3>goes into it.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of work they have to figure out

644
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<v Speaker 4>what the voices are going to be, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they also probably have some kind of discretion

646
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<v Speaker 2>over what they choose. A right that's got to be

647
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<v Speaker 2>a conversation where the publishers like, we have this available,

648
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<v Speaker 2>we think you'd be good for it. Yeah, heads up,

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<v Speaker 2>here's some of the stuff that goes into this. And

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<v Speaker 2>an author has the right to a reader has the

651
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<v Speaker 2>right to say, like, it's not I'm not not for me.

652
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<v Speaker 3>I don't feel good doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's probably true. I think that you but

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<v Speaker 4>you're also you know there's gonna be words in there

655
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<v Speaker 4>that you don't know, words that the author made up,

656
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:56.079
<v Speaker 4>And so then you've got to be in contact with

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<v Speaker 4>the author to make sure that you're doing a justice right,

658
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<v Speaker 4>So you've got this so much front end work that

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<v Speaker 4>probably is happening.

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<v Speaker 3>The guy who read my audiobook didn't say shit to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you're right then, the King's English. It's very easy

662
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<v Speaker 4>to understand, thank you. There's like didit chok? There's in

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<v Speaker 4>within the Dark Tower, which clearly is something you have

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<v Speaker 4>heard read scene scene Okay, So there are these like

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<v Speaker 4>lobstrosities that live in the ocean and they make a

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<v Speaker 4>very specific sound that is like a did it choc

667
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<v Speaker 4>did chock kind of sound, and even written, seeing that

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<v Speaker 4>written out phonetically, you'd be like, well, fucking get King

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<v Speaker 4>on the horn because I don't know what this is

670
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<v Speaker 4>supposed to sound like. And I think that they must

671
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<v Speaker 4>do a ton. There's even stuff that I'm not thinking

672
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<v Speaker 4>of that they have to do in preparation to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that, uh, they're doing the as much justice to

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<v Speaker 4>the book as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>They're the guy who does.

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<v Speaker 4>The Raymond Chandler once is amazing for anyone who doesn't

677
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 4>know Raymon Chandler writes all the Philip Marlow hardboiled detective stories.

678
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<v Speaker 4>They are the birth of hard boiled detective stories, like

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00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:58.400
<v Speaker 4>they are he He is the master of them, and

680
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:03.360
<v Speaker 4>he was the originator arguably, but he the guy the

681
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:09.360
<v Speaker 4>Philip Marlow characters. The Philip Marlow character is very specific,

682
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:13.280
<v Speaker 4>and he's when you read him, he's so fun on

683
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 4>the page. It's much tougher to do that as an actor,

684
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<v Speaker 4>like to really capture what he is. And the guy

685
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.440
<v Speaker 4>who's doing it is fucking nailing it. So it's clear

686
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.000
<v Speaker 4>that he worked on this character as much as a

687
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<v Speaker 4>guy would have if he was going to play him

688
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:29.239
<v Speaker 4>in a movie, and so so much work goes in.

689
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<v Speaker 4>I have to assume this conversation has happened multiple times

690
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.800
<v Speaker 4>for these books where they're like, Okay, I'm gonna be

691
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:41.280
<v Speaker 4>doing this character who is first generation from Thailand as well.

692
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<v Speaker 4>He's only on these five pages, but I'm deeply worried.

693
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<v Speaker 3>Would it be okay? Can I give you?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I give you one one take where I'm where

695
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<v Speaker 2>I'm just doing my voice? Is that just just so

696
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<v Speaker 2>I can say that I did that and gave you

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<v Speaker 2>that option, and then when the book comes out, then

698
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<v Speaker 2>it's on you for picking whatever one that you picked.

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<v Speaker 3>Can we just.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we I mean we run into it on

701
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:15.559
<v Speaker 4>our show too, there's a really excellent, renowned Morgan Freeman

702
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<v Speaker 4>impersonator in Los Angeles and he does Morgan Freeman for

703
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:23.360
<v Speaker 4>a lot of shows, a lot of animated shows.

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<v Speaker 2>White guy, you got him for us for Cracked when

705
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<v Speaker 2>you were when we still weren't for Cracked obviously. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we had something that was like I don't know that

707
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<v Speaker 2>it was going to go out to the internet or

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<v Speaker 2>if it was some internal thing that we were doing,

709
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<v Speaker 2>like south By Southwest. Oh was south By Southwest and

710
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:47.480
<v Speaker 2>we needed we wanted like a Morgan Freeman s narrator,

711
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<v Speaker 2>And you're like, I got a guy and he comes

712
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<v Speaker 2>into the office and he's a very white manager.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, oh, oh okay, it's just the south By audience.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess no one.

715
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we're not gonna credit you.

716
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Is that okay?

717
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.519
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, we have and and obviously the show has

718
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:11.400
<v Speaker 4>has been on long enough now that we've been through

719
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<v Speaker 4>moments of awakening I would say, moments where we were

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<v Speaker 4>become more aware of the world and we're like, oh,

721
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:21.679
<v Speaker 4>maybe that wasn't such a good choice. We had a

722
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:25.880
<v Speaker 4>character on our show named short Run No that Short

723
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:29.760
<v Speaker 4>Runs from also a pretty bad character. Yeah, but eight

724
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<v Speaker 4>Bit I think is the name of our character who

725
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:36.519
<v Speaker 4>is like a Cambodian general, and that's a that accent's

726
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<v Speaker 4>a pretty big swing. And if you go back and

727
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.000
<v Speaker 4>you listen to it, you're like, who that's tough man?

728
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<v Speaker 4>We are This is not just somebody trying to be

729
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.639
<v Speaker 4>faithful to Cambodians. This is somebody who is making fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very good chance that this person didn't like consoled

731
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:56.559
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of resources and like, talk to some people

732
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:59.119
<v Speaker 2>from Cambodia to get an accent there. There's I'm gonna say,

733
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<v Speaker 2>a ninety it's no disrespect to this voice actor. A

734
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:04.639
<v Speaker 2>ninety chance that this person's like, I think I have

735
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<v Speaker 2>a rough idea what they sound like.

736
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:07.760
<v Speaker 3>I think I got I got it.

737
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:09.119
<v Speaker 4>Let's just try it one in the room.

738
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 3>Come on.

739
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:12.960
<v Speaker 4>I have to think I haven't watched Team America in

740
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.039
<v Speaker 4>a long time. And it certainly helps that you're doing

741
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.559
<v Speaker 4>the voice of a dictator. But they are really playing

742
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 4>with a Korean accent in that they're playing with like

743
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:26.199
<v Speaker 4>what's the fun of doing Korean? Which I don't know

744
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.360
<v Speaker 4>if that's the same territory, because now you're making fun.

745
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:30.440
<v Speaker 4>Now you're being hard on them.

746
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now you're getting jokes without any jokes being told,

747
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.440
<v Speaker 2>and so then you're not getting last without any jokes

748
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:37.920
<v Speaker 2>being told.

749
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<v Speaker 3>And then so where is the laugh? What is the

750
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 3>what is the joke? Then? What is the subtext of

751
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:44.800
<v Speaker 3>the joke? What do we all think is funny? You're

752
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:54.239
<v Speaker 3>getting away? Someone talks Uh? Oh, so yeah, I I didn't.

753
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:56.400
<v Speaker 4>I can't really talk to anybod about this because nobody

754
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.400
<v Speaker 4>else I know it only consumes their books.

755
00:39:58.440 --> 00:39:58.679
<v Speaker 5>This way.

756
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:00.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm a maniac because it's that's like I'm at the

757
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.519
<v Speaker 4>gym or I'm driving and I'm like, let's listen to

758
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:06.639
<v Speaker 4>a story. Let's like listen to something fun. And have

759
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 4>gotten obsessed with audiobooks, and man, this is across the board.

760
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:13.840
<v Speaker 4>This is a problem for me.

761
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's I I can't contribute much. I

762
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:23.000
<v Speaker 2>think I've listened to one audio book in my life.

763
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 2>On a road trip with my wife, we would listen

764
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<v Speaker 2>to Kamala Harris's book one hundred and seven Days.

765
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<v Speaker 4>Does she do her own voice?

766
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.159
<v Speaker 3>She does her own cheat? Oh, she doesn't do any

767
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:37.880
<v Speaker 3>She doesn't have the fun with it that.

768
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.920
<v Speaker 2>I'd hope she'd have, you know, I think she's probably

769
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<v Speaker 2>gonna run again. So she's not gonna do like, she

770
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't bust out a Trump or a Biden voice.

771
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<v Speaker 3>And I'm just like, come on, you got one your age.

772
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<v Speaker 4>I fucking know you do. Lindsey Graham. I think you've

773
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:56.599
<v Speaker 4>got a great Lindsey Graham in you. You got that

774
00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:58.039
<v Speaker 4>high pitch voice already.

775
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:01.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Lindsay Graham said, wouldn't support me? He said no way.

776
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:03.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yeah, but did he say like that? Come on,

777
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:05.119
<v Speaker 3>how did you say it? Yeah?

778
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:13.400
<v Speaker 4>A little something like this and then do it? I yeah,

779
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't think I can. I an't do a lot

780
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:20.280
<v Speaker 4>of nonfiction. In nonfiction, I think it's probably a different animal.

781
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:23.400
<v Speaker 4>I think that they don't aren't expected to because you're

782
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:25.440
<v Speaker 4>listening to the story as though it's being told to

783
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.679
<v Speaker 4>you from the actual person. So like when they're talking

784
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.559
<v Speaker 4>in other people's voices, you still expect it to be

785
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.440
<v Speaker 4>in the voice of Kamala Harris. Sure, even if it's

786
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:43.239
<v Speaker 4>quotation dialogue. But not man, these fiction stories, it's dangerous territory.

787
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:51.599
<v Speaker 4>You should listen to more. By the way, they're great,

788
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:53.960
<v Speaker 4>and in fact, you have to make sure that you

789
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:56.079
<v Speaker 4>get the right ones, because there are some. I'll give

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<v Speaker 4>you an example Elie confidential unlistenable.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I.

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00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:06.119
<v Speaker 2>This this is this is one of those takes that

793
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.320
<v Speaker 2>gets people pointing a bunch of knives at me. And

794
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:11.039
<v Speaker 2>I was hoping to never have to get into it,

795
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:14.280
<v Speaker 2>uh and just let it be one of those takes

796
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.920
<v Speaker 2>that I have in my heart and and bring to

797
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:23.199
<v Speaker 2>my grave. But I'm I'm pretty anti audio book.

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00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:24.239
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's at first people are going to hear that

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<v Speaker 2>and get very pissed off, and they're gonna think I'm

801
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<v Speaker 2>uh elitist and ablest that I'm trying to keep books

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<v Speaker 2>out of the hands of people who can't read. And

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<v Speaker 2>then by the time I've finished my explanation, I think

804
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:44.519
<v Speaker 2>people will be pissed off for different reasons because I'm

805
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:48.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm a I'm a semantic asshole, where.

806
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 3>I just think that.

807
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:56.800
<v Speaker 2>We should if you consume a book by listening to it,

808
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.559
<v Speaker 2>we should call it something else. That's not odd today

809
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:05.440
<v Speaker 2>we should make that distinction, because for a while, I

810
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.119
<v Speaker 2>think everyone made that distinction. It was like I read

811
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<v Speaker 2>this or I listened to it. You know, people would

812
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 2>correct self correct and say they listened.

813
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:13.559
<v Speaker 3>And then at some point in the last ten years,

814
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.039
<v Speaker 3>loud people on the internet are writing for the Atlantic

815
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<v Speaker 3>or wherever the fuck idiots with too much time and

816
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<v Speaker 3>not enough problems go.

817
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.559
<v Speaker 2>They were saying that, hey, if you listen to a book,

818
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>then you read the book, and you can say that

819
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.159
<v Speaker 2>you have to let anyone know that you listen to

820
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.960
<v Speaker 2>it instead of reading it. And it became, like so

821
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:39.119
<v Speaker 2>many things, a cause and a pride thing. I did

822
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<v Speaker 2>this and I like it, so that means it's good

823
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:47.079
<v Speaker 2>and it's right. I disagree, I think. And there's where

824
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:50.400
<v Speaker 2>it gets into semantics. You listened to The Great Gatsby.

825
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I read The Great Gatsby.

826
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:56.519
<v Speaker 3>On the score of like, have we both consumed the

827
00:43:56.559 --> 00:44:00.599
<v Speaker 3>same information? Yes we have. Do we know the story?

828
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<v Speaker 2>We both can can can convincingly pass a high school

829
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<v Speaker 2>English test about The Great Gatsby even though you listen

830
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<v Speaker 2>to it and I read it. We can both, I think,

831
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:17.639
<v Speaker 2>swear to a light detector test. I know what happens

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<v Speaker 2>in The Great Gatsby and how it happens, and the

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<v Speaker 2>style of writing that was employed in it.

834
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we both got the Great Gatsby. We ate it,

835
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:33.280
<v Speaker 3>we consumed it. We didn't both read it because reading,

836
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<v Speaker 3>in my opinion, that is worthless. Reading is a thing

837
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<v Speaker 3>that you.

838
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<v Speaker 2>Make time for that takes up all of your attention.

839
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<v Speaker 2>Because everyone when I when I had my son and

840
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.920
<v Speaker 2>was bummed that I would have less time to read,

841
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:54.800
<v Speaker 2>people were saying, oh, you can do. You can listen

842
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:57.280
<v Speaker 2>to audio books in the car, you can listen to

843
00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:58.840
<v Speaker 2>them on your runs, you can listen to them on

844
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the walks. You just like, have it going in your

845
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<v Speaker 2>house while you're doing X, you know, yard work, chores,

846
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<v Speaker 2>prepping the dinner, putting the kid to sleep, whatever you

847
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<v Speaker 2>want to do. And it's like that is not I

848
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<v Speaker 2>don't want to read and do another thing. I the

849
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<v Speaker 2>act of reading is enjoyable to me, and I like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm giving it my.

851
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:26.679
<v Speaker 2>Full attention because I reject the efficiency economy where we're

852
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<v Speaker 2>trying to make things happen faster and multiple things happen

853
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<v Speaker 2>at once.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to do that. I don't want to

855
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<v Speaker 3>multitask meeting reading for the same reason I don't want

856
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<v Speaker 3>to like multitask love making or eating, you know, all

857
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<v Speaker 3>these things.

858
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<v Speaker 2>They're just like, no, this is the thing that I

859
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<v Speaker 2>like to do, So I like the point is making

860
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<v Speaker 2>time for the act of it, and like sitting and

861
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<v Speaker 2>looking at this and unlocking my brain and not like

862
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<v Speaker 2>reading while also.

863
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:57.599
<v Speaker 3>Vacuuming or raking leaves or doing any of these other things.

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<v Speaker 2>It's again, it's just, it's just it's it's a semantic distinction,

865
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<v Speaker 2>and uh makes me ablest at worst and like just

866
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<v Speaker 2>annoying at best.

867
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<v Speaker 3>But it's how I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>And I looked at our runtime, and we still had

869
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<v Speaker 2>more minutes to go, and I could tell Soren was

870
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<v Speaker 2>running out of steam. So I thought my bag old

871
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<v Speaker 2>rant about reading was going to go somewhere, and here

872
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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, all right, I've let you speak, Daniel, thank you,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm going to say now that I think you're

875
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<v Speaker 4>completely wrong, that this is a knives to your throat moment. Oh,

876
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<v Speaker 4>I think you're up. I don't think you're going to

877
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<v Speaker 4>find a writer who disagrees with you, okay. I think

878
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<v Speaker 4>everyone who writes understands that there's a fundamental difference, and

879
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:47.280
<v Speaker 4>which is why I generally qualify when I if I

880
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:50.719
<v Speaker 4>say with somebody's like, oh, what's a science fiction book

881
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Speaker 4>do you really like? I'm like, well, I read this

882
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:55.559
<v Speaker 4>one called the Stars My Destination. I listened to it.

883
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:57.840
<v Speaker 4>I listened to this book All the Stars My Destination,

884
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.199
<v Speaker 4>because it's it is an important distinction. When you read

885
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<v Speaker 4>you find passages that you particularly like, that you think

886
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.360
<v Speaker 4>are interesting and beautiful or whatever, and then you go

887
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<v Speaker 4>back and you reread it over and over again. You

888
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<v Speaker 4>sit there with the book for a while, you stay

889
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<v Speaker 4>on that same page. The pages are not turning at

890
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<v Speaker 4>the same uniform pace as they would with an audiobook,

891
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 4>where you're just blowing through everything and you're getting the

892
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.840
<v Speaker 4>information and you're understanding this, you're comprehending the story. You're

893
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:28.320
<v Speaker 4>not comprehending the I don't think from reading it. From

894
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.239
<v Speaker 4>hearing it, you're not going to get a lot of

895
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<v Speaker 4>the literary devices that are being used.

896
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:34.079
<v Speaker 3>You're not getting.

897
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 4>The interesting turns of phrase as much. You might capture

898
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:39.960
<v Speaker 4>some of them out of the air when you hear them.

899
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<v Speaker 3>But you're not.

900
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<v Speaker 4>You can't don't have the luxury of them, like rereading

901
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:44.400
<v Speaker 4>it over and over again and have it set in

902
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:47.599
<v Speaker 4>your memory. There's stuff you just can't do. I also

903
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:51.440
<v Speaker 4>think that there's something really valuable to reading a book,

904
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.880
<v Speaker 4>giving it your attention and it not holding your attention,

905
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:57.760
<v Speaker 4>and you like drifting off as you're reading it, being like,

906
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.519
<v Speaker 4>oh shit, I didn't pay attention to just happened in

907
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.039
<v Speaker 4>less paragraph and then rereading it again and dedicating yourself

908
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.800
<v Speaker 4>once more to a thing like that kind.

909
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Of or letting yourself stay kind of drift it off.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's no there's no better imagination activation machine

911
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:19.519
<v Speaker 2>than a book. It is still like bar none, unparalleled,

912
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:22.920
<v Speaker 2>undefeated as far as like getting my brain to work

913
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:25.920
<v Speaker 2>when I'm sitting and staring and looking at it versus

914
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<v Speaker 2>when I'm listening to a book with my wife. We

915
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<v Speaker 2>will A thing that you can't do when you're reading

916
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<v Speaker 2>a book is we will turn down the volume and

917
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<v Speaker 2>talk about what we're going to have for lunch, and

918
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<v Speaker 2>then turn up the volume and miss little bits and

919
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>pieces of the book because we're not really paying full

920
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:42.519
<v Speaker 2>attention to it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, even screenwriters, you know that watching a movie

922
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:48.800
<v Speaker 4>is a very different thing than reading the screenplay of it,

923
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<v Speaker 4>despite the fact that there's a lot of differences in

924
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:54.079
<v Speaker 4>dialogue stuff because changes get made. But even if it

925
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<v Speaker 4>was exactly the same, you want to see the formatting.

926
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<v Speaker 4>You want to see how it's written. You want to

927
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:01.280
<v Speaker 4>read the action lines speak because those are super crucial

928
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<v Speaker 4>to like the flow of the story and seeing it

929
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.079
<v Speaker 4>is one thing reading it is very very different. You

930
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.000
<v Speaker 4>pick up on foreshadowing in different ways. You pick up

931
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<v Speaker 4>on through lines that you didn't see before because it's

932
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<v Speaker 4>on a page now. It's like it's the same way

933
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<v Speaker 4>when you're writing yourself. You have a lot of thoughts

934
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<v Speaker 4>in your head and you're kind of keeping track of

935
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:23.599
<v Speaker 4>all of those and you're juggling them. You're juggling them,

936
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<v Speaker 4>and it's very hard to focus on any one of

937
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.199
<v Speaker 4>the objects that you're juggling until you can put it

938
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.440
<v Speaker 4>down in front of you and look at it. And

939
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<v Speaker 4>so like it's a writing just allows you to lay everything,

940
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<v Speaker 4>all those thoughts and like you like, I have the

941
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:37.519
<v Speaker 4>whole story in my head. No, it allows you to

942
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<v Speaker 4>lay it out in a row so that you can

943
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<v Speaker 4>see it before you and really notice all of the

944
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<v Speaker 4>details of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I just want to close by saying I don't

946
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<v Speaker 2>want anyone to feel bad anyone who they should.

947
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<v Speaker 4>If people can say that they fucking listen to that

948
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:54.800
<v Speaker 4>they read Moby Dick and they listen to Moby Dick,

949
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:58.320
<v Speaker 4>ah fuck, that they could come with me, not you

950
00:49:58.559 --> 00:49:59.599
<v Speaker 4>all in front of you.

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<v Speaker 2>You can still go to parties and say you read

952
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<v Speaker 2>all the books that you want to say you have read.

953
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<v Speaker 3>It's I'm not. I never want to make anyone feel

954
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<v Speaker 3>bad for.

955
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<v Speaker 4>Anything, But imagine listening to Ulysses. What are you going

956
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<v Speaker 4>to get out of that experience?

957
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<v Speaker 2>You might get something, That's what I'm saying. It's just

958
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<v Speaker 2>a different it's just a different thing. It's a different thing.

959
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<v Speaker 4>But you yeah, I guess you're right. I guess you're right.

960
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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I go to I think about going to

961
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<v Speaker 4>museums like an art form that I don't know anything about.

962
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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to like make it as distance itself, distance

963
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.280
<v Speaker 4>it from me. I go to art museums, and I

964
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:38.639
<v Speaker 4>get bored because I'm like Christ painting, another Christ painting,

965
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:39.599
<v Speaker 4>another Christ painting?

966
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:40.360
<v Speaker 3>What are we doing?

967
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.159
<v Speaker 4>And like, I don't understand the work that goes into that.

968
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<v Speaker 4>I don't understand the details. I don't understand why making

969
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.920
<v Speaker 4>water look real is tough. I don't get these things.

970
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.960
<v Speaker 4>And and so somebody who does and has like this

971
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<v Speaker 4>whole tool this whole tool belt of ways to dissect

972
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<v Speaker 4>a painting and understand it, They're going to understand a

973
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:02.280
<v Speaker 4>lot more than I will. And so I think, maybe

974
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<v Speaker 4>from a distance, if you are not a writer, audiobooks

975
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.880
<v Speaker 4>are for you, man, They're totally fine, and the read

976
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.760
<v Speaker 4>there's a very specific reason that I'm reading like pulp

977
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.039
<v Speaker 4>stuff when I when I read in my car, when

978
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:16.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm listening to audiobooks, I'm listening to Stephen King and

979
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:20.039
<v Speaker 4>I'm listening to Raymond Chandler and stuff, because those are

980
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.159
<v Speaker 4>The story itself is very enjoyable, and it doesn't I don't.

981
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<v Speaker 4>I know that I'm missing some cool Cormick McCarthy type

982
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:29.599
<v Speaker 4>shit when I'm doing it, but it doesn't matter because

983
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:31.519
<v Speaker 4>I'm there for just the story itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of Cormick McCarthy stuff in Stephen

985
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:39.360
<v Speaker 2>King and Raymond Chandler books, you know what. I'm glad

986
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:41.159
<v Speaker 2>those are the ones that you're listening to to find

987
00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:42.480
<v Speaker 2>some cormck McCarthy stuff.

988
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna reread.

989
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:46.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna in Blood Meridian, I'm gonna reread The Stars

990
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:51.320
<v Speaker 4>Wheeled across the Sky toward Uncharted Reckonings over and over again,

991
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.320
<v Speaker 4>because I'm like, that's a fucking awesome thing to say.

992
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:56.079
<v Speaker 4>If I hear that in a story, I'm just gonna

993
00:51:56.119 --> 00:52:00.800
<v Speaker 4>blow right past me. All right, I'm ranto, but yeah,

994
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:02.079
<v Speaker 4>come for me.

995
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not Daniel.

996
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:08.400
<v Speaker 4>He's good, he's a good heart. Leave him alone, all right, Well,

997
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:14.039
<v Speaker 4>thank you for listening to this podcast The Spin quick question, Really, Daniel, honestly,

998
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:15.480
<v Speaker 4>you should read the podcast.

999
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<v Speaker 3>You should read it.

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00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.880
<v Speaker 4>This is how we transcript this is how we intended.

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<v Speaker 3>It before every episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon listeners know that we write these podcasts. We script

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<v Speaker 2>them first, one hundred percent scripted, and that's how we

1004
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<v Speaker 2>want them consumed, and then we record it for as

1005
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<v Speaker 2>like a like a some icing on it. But this

1006
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<v Speaker 2>is not the right format.

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<v Speaker 4>This has been quick question with sarre On and Daniel.

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<v Speaker 4>more of this podcast more, you could become a Patreon

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<v Speaker 4>subscriber and we do bonus episodes over on our Patreon

1017
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<v Speaker 4>if you like this podcast and you think that it

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<v Speaker 4>sounds good and that the clips are good and you

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<v Speaker 4>think that it's wonderfully put together. That is all Mackenzie Mozelle.

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<v Speaker 4>If you like her, you can follow her podcast, which

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<v Speaker 4>is Don't Make It Worse. Thank you for listening and

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<v Speaker 4>we'll see you on the flip side.

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<v Speaker 5>Bye.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to quick quick question. I want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts, know what's on your mind. I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>quick quick question for a quote and I'm just by

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<v Speaker 1>the week gets talk tonight. So what's your favorite do

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<v Speaker 1>you get? You see that's friends in comedy. It does

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<v Speaker 1>an answer that I cannot find. I think you'll have

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<v Speaker 1>a great time. I think you'll have a great time.

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<v Speaker 1>M hmmm.