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Speaker 2: If there's an answer that I'm gonna find it, I
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Speaker 3: You We're back.
Speaker 2: It's the podcast. We wanted to jump right into it
Speaker 2: this week. Sore in huge news. I think you can
Speaker 2: already tell got a new hat. Dad's got a new hat.
Speaker 2: Really happy with this hat. It's uh, it fits my
Speaker 2: head better than a lot of other hats. It's comfortable.
Speaker 2: I could do a frontwards or backwards. I think I could.
Speaker 3: I could do sports in it.
Speaker 2: I could run in it, But but I want to
Speaker 2: keep it nice, so I'm probably let's.
Speaker 4: Take it for a spin. Can you put it on
Speaker 4: backwards for a second without doing too much damage to
Speaker 4: your headphones? So yeah, let me just see. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 4: that's a solid hat, so really good ventilation. How's your it?
Speaker 3: Really does it? It's great?
Speaker 4: Is it a golf hat.
Speaker 2: I don't know it's a it's under armour, and I
Speaker 2: feel like, having done no research into this, I think
Speaker 2: under armour is like a pretty cop coated brand.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's I don't think that's true.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 4: Okay, great, Nah, you're okay. I think maybe it's possible
Speaker 4: that cops are wearing that like neoprene, but it's I
Speaker 4: think it's like it is, it's all athlete coded. I think,
Speaker 4: I think I remember is finally athlete coded.
Speaker 2: Every once in a while, I've come across something that
Speaker 2: that I've learned was owned by a subculture of some kind,
Speaker 2: and I don't I don't know how pervasive is it
Speaker 2: it is, or if it's if it's truly just the
Speaker 2: internet and like the Internet people that I hang out
Speaker 2: with where like you find it like, oh, New Balance
Speaker 2: is the preferred shoe of white supremacists, and I was like, ah,
Speaker 2: but but I like some of their shoes. And I
Speaker 2: I showed up to a work thing with with a
Speaker 2: pair of salmon shorts because it was summer, and my
Speaker 2: coworker started joking about, like, oh, those are the shorts
Speaker 2: that like you see someone of those shorts that those
Speaker 2: are the shorts of the person who says trust the market,
Speaker 2: the market will correct itself. What thatff, I just liked them.
Speaker 4: Pretty fern, pretty solid burn. This has happened my friend
Speaker 4: ed friend of the show at Wilson. He ordered a hat,
Speaker 4: a skate hat from a company that was similar Lids
Speaker 4: of Jason I guess, and they sent him the wrong hat.
Speaker 4: They sent him a hat that just said on it,
Speaker 4: happy Dad. And he was like, I'm a dad. That's perfect,
Speaker 4: And then he started wearing it because he was like
Speaker 4: the out to wear this instead, like I don't want
Speaker 4: to deal with the hassle and out in the streets
Speaker 4: people will be like fuck yeah, happy Dad, and he
Speaker 4: was like I am and he was like he was
Speaker 4: getting a lot of attention and he was really excited
Speaker 4: about that. He did not know at the time that
Speaker 4: that's happy Dad. Hard Seltzer, which if you're not familiar,
Speaker 4: uh some some serious magatize They are aligned, Yeah, maga
Speaker 4: aligned Hard Seltzer company that is I think the co founder,
Speaker 4: one of the founders was like a prank started as
Speaker 4: a prank channel. He was like this controversial prank channel
Speaker 4: guy and then uh boy, yeah, a pipeline and then
Speaker 4: they because I think he got a lot of pushback
Speaker 4: from that. Obviously, people who anyone who gets public pushback
Speaker 4: falls into the right, because that the right is like,
Speaker 4: we'll take anyone. Hey, as everyone is the woke mob
Speaker 4: getting you come to us, let's get rid of all that.
Speaker 4: Now you think, go, yeah, we should get It's not
Speaker 4: my fault, it's their fault. And so then and then
Speaker 4: heart Seltzer was the uh, I guess the the end
Speaker 4: goal of all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 2: I wonder how uh, almost without exception the the Jackass Crew,
Speaker 2: sort of the platonic ideal of whimsical pranksters, haven't fallen
Speaker 2: into that.
Speaker 3: That hard right uh ecosystem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as far as I know, I'm I'm almost positive.
Speaker 2: Really no, I don't think so, but I but I
Speaker 2: like them, sore in, but I like them. I invented
Speaker 2: a premise and I'd like it to be true.
Speaker 4: The other thing that I that happened to me with
Speaker 4: that is the to me myself was I owned a
Speaker 4: Fred Perry sweater. And if are you familiar with the
Speaker 4: brand Fred Perry at all?
Speaker 3: I am not?
Speaker 4: Okay, are you familiar with a black polo shirt that
Speaker 4: has gold piping along the collar of it and has
Speaker 4: a little gold pipe, a little gold brand in the corner.
Speaker 4: Have you seen that on maybe some boys singing proud
Speaker 4: of you, proud of my boy.
Speaker 3: No, I have not.
Speaker 4: It's probably I probably all wear the exact same thing.
Speaker 4: They have a uniform, it's a Fred Perry shirt. I
Speaker 4: bought a Fred Perry sweatshirt, I mean a sweater, not
Speaker 4: knowing any of this at the time. It was a
Speaker 4: it's brown and think that the emblem's blue. But boy,
Speaker 4: that did not matter. As soon as did anyone sell
Speaker 4: that emblem, they were.
Speaker 3: Like what the fuck?
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: no no, And then I just basically stopped wearing it
Speaker 4: and then started to kind of feel bad for Fred Perry. Sure,
Speaker 4: I don't think they asked for that.
Speaker 3: I often.
Speaker 2: Very at a at a great distance, will will feel
Speaker 2: bad for some uh MAGA aligned folks because for for us,
Speaker 2: like I would feel self conscious wearing new balanced shoes
Speaker 2: or uh you feel even a tiny bit self conscious
Speaker 2: wearing like flag iconography now because that like they're the
Speaker 2: patriotism to Mega pipeline is is is too fraught at
Speaker 2: this moment that I don't want to wear like an
Speaker 2: American flag on my hat because.
Speaker 4: New balance, New balance is that true? New balance has
Speaker 4: new balances like the shoe of choice for the far right?
Speaker 3: Yeah didn't I Is that not what I said earlier?
Speaker 4: It is oh oh fuck me? Yeah I okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: absolutely right.
Speaker 3: But so like I'm looking at this in the micro
Speaker 3: where it's like, ah, rats.
Speaker 2: I can't wear newalle shoes as much as I used to,
Speaker 2: and I can't wear like a thing with an American
Speaker 2: flag on it.
Speaker 3: Ah rats.
Speaker 2: But then I think about the amount of stuff that
Speaker 2: people on the right and far right need to pretend
Speaker 2: they don't like, and that list is fucking huge. We're
Speaker 2: of course, like I'm dripping in examples of it. Because
Speaker 2: of the job that I have. I've just been forced
Speaker 2: to consume so much conservative media, and.
Speaker 4: I just they won't consume it.
Speaker 3: Myoing everything.
Speaker 2: My heart breaks every once in a while when they
Speaker 2: have to, just like Sean Hannity needs to get on
Speaker 2: TV and pretend Beyonce has no talent like all I like.
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, Bruce bergersty started being very
Speaker 2: vocal and critical about the administration, and people have to
Speaker 2: just just suddenly be.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, you know what, I yep, never liked him.
Speaker 2: I never liked his his working class, straight down the barrel,
Speaker 2: rock and roll, joyful stuff.
Speaker 3: I've always this whole time liked present.
Speaker 1: Day kid Rock.
Speaker 3: That's that's my favorite guy. My bread and butter.
Speaker 2: Kid just just uh dream blunt rotation of kid Rock
Speaker 2: and my favorite actor, John Voight.
Speaker 4: I't maybe I think I like Kanye West, but I
Speaker 4: can't remember. Yeah, it is, he had like a clear
Speaker 4: he's got it. Trump's got a clear act to grind
Speaker 4: for Brisprainstein because he talked about it during the even
Speaker 4: the Correspondents dinner. But it is really really funny that that,
Speaker 4: first of all, that everybody's impulse is that when there's
Speaker 4: not a group of somebody who they're not allowed to
Speaker 4: like anymore because their tribes says they're not allowed to
Speaker 4: like him anymore, they go their their first instinct is
Speaker 4: not to be like, fuck, that sucks. I really liked
Speaker 4: that person. It's to go. I never liked the art
Speaker 4: that they made.
Speaker 3: It's and it happens. It happened to our tribe too,
Speaker 3: I mean years ago.
Speaker 4: It happens our tribe when uh, Louis c K.
Speaker 2: When those allegations were made incredibly public about his sexual
Speaker 2: assault and misconduct, everyone was just like, yeah, fuck this guy.
Speaker 2: He you know, we don't need to keep giving him
Speaker 2: money and keep supporting him financially.
Speaker 3: Sucks that he did this, this this horrible stuff.
Speaker 2: And people online were like, are we now ready to
Speaker 2: finally have the conversation about how he's an overrated comedian.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, that's not what we're talking Well, hold on,
Speaker 2: fuck the guy, but like, hold on, though, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna you're putting me in a position where I'm where
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to pull out some specific
Speaker 2: bits that he's done as iconic and I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: This isn't going to turn into like a world tour celebration,
Speaker 3: but like, we can't you can't pretend.
Speaker 4: The worst are the people who are reconning it like
Speaker 4: they notice something some moral failing in the human before
Speaker 4: that point where they're like, yes, I never liked him
Speaker 4: and I couldn't understand why until now. It's like no,
Speaker 4: I mean, you don't have esp You're not picking up
Speaker 4: a different wavelength than the rest of us, right.
Speaker 2: You didn't see a special or an episode of his
Speaker 2: groundbreaking television show, and me like, I think this guy
Speaker 2: was masturbating in front of master baking in front of
Speaker 2: women without their consent.
Speaker 3: That there's something about.
Speaker 2: This short film starring Jeremy Renner he made that makes
Speaker 2: me think writer director.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that the I don't know, those
Speaker 4: people are just trying to keep their own record unblemished.
Speaker 4: I think they're just like, I've gone completely undefeated this
Speaker 4: whole time. I've never fallen for anyone who was potentially problematic,
Speaker 4: which is like a weird record to try to hold.
Speaker 4: Isn't it more impressive to have liked something terrible and
Speaker 4: then even if it was like you liked what was
Speaker 4: terrible about it at the time, and then over time
Speaker 4: to be like, oh, you know what, I fucked up? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I see now that that was bad.
Speaker 2: I know people who who work very hard to cultivate
Speaker 2: like all of their tastes around someone that they've around,
Speaker 2: artists that they've they've thoroughly vetted as unproblematic. Yeah, as
Speaker 2: of right now, like checking every box and going through
Speaker 2: every potential thing that could one day be remembered negatively
Speaker 2: by history as social more race change. And I look
Speaker 2: at these people and I think it's it just seems
Speaker 2: so stressful. It seems so and and there are there
Speaker 2: are traps. You know, Mumford and Sons probably seem safer
Speaker 2: then their drummers, an anti vaxxer or some shit.
Speaker 3: What are you going to do if lind Manuel Miranda
Speaker 3: beats a kid? What are you gonna do?
Speaker 4: Man? Bluegrass is just a hair's breadth away from country,
Speaker 4: like we should have seen that coming. Blues Like everybody's
Speaker 4: like blues grass. Blue grass is safe, blue grass is
Speaker 4: a safe is safe territory?
Speaker 3: Not true? Not true.
Speaker 4: This is rural folk, my friend.
Speaker 3: They're just weird. They're weird, rural guys.
Speaker 2: They're standing up on stage and they're they're harmonizing and
Speaker 2: they're making you laugh. And then one day the government
Speaker 2: tells them they're not allowed to go outside anymore. And
Speaker 2: you're gonna see and they're gonna see some country coming out.
Speaker 4: And they're gonna change. And when people are surprised by
Speaker 4: football players, white football players being being somewhat offensive, and
Speaker 4: they're like, what what, but I love that kicker.
Speaker 3: He's a kicker.
Speaker 4: No you didn't, so, Daniel, this is actually helpful for
Speaker 4: my segue, because you've got a lot of people who
Speaker 4: will try to keep their record unblemished, and part of
Speaker 4: that is also curating what books classic books that they
Speaker 4: think are still worth it and which books are problematic. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Huck Finn is a great example because Huck Finn uses
Speaker 4: the N word quite a bit, and everyone there's debates.
Speaker 4: It seems like this cycle gets pulled up every couple
Speaker 4: of years where people are like, Huck Finn isn't actually
Speaker 4: that good. Huckleberry Finn is not like a good story,
Speaker 4: and you have to be like, well, fucking just hold on, everybody,
Speaker 4: just cool off for a second. Yeah, I wanted to
Speaker 4: ask you a question, a quick question.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think I'm on record that
Speaker 2: I don't think I did not enjoy Huckleberry Finn. We
Speaker 2: might have read it in high school. I feel like
Speaker 2: that didn't count for me. It didn't find any purchase,
Speaker 2: so I read it. What I'm deciding is the first
Speaker 2: time I read it last year, and I've thought it
Speaker 2: was such a fucking slog And I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: be cool. I'm never trying to be cool. I'm not
Speaker 2: a cool person, but I'm just reading this book, like
Speaker 2: so much of it just feels very mean to me.
Speaker 3: It's that's novel. I know.
Speaker 2: They are definitely parts that I like, but but at
Speaker 2: one point he's just like he's describing paintings that he
Speaker 2: saw and and like, yeah, dude, just like, here's a
Speaker 2: painting and he's like describing every bit of it and
Speaker 2: what it makes it feel. And then he moves out
Speaker 2: to another End's like, I'm already reading a book. We
Speaker 2: don't need to go to the museum in the book.
Speaker 2: And he's like telling me poems saw in the newspaper.
Speaker 3: Get bent.
Speaker 4: This is the woke mo coming for him again, because
Speaker 4: pacing is different now than it used to be. You
Speaker 4: wade for a television show where it's gotta be on.
Speaker 4: I'm reading Return to the King with my son, and
Speaker 4: do you know how long I had to sit there
Speaker 4: and listen to fucking the structure of Minis tires. How
Speaker 4: many layers of Minis teith there are? And here what's
Speaker 4: in each one? What's in the gardens of each one?
Speaker 4: It sucks, But that's novels. That's you're given. You're allowing
Speaker 4: the author some free reid to breathe and to like
Speaker 4: really like find their wheels and then you just try
Speaker 4: us that when you get through all this, the story
Speaker 4: itself will be worth it. And I think that's fine.
Speaker 4: I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3: We can we can, we can shake hands on huck
Speaker 3: finn is fine.
Speaker 4: Okay, Now forget I said huck fang for a second,
Speaker 4: because I have to ask you a good question. Somebody's
Speaker 4: offering you. You get a notification tomorrow that somebody's like,
Speaker 4: you know what, I love the podcast, I love your voice.
Speaker 4: I would love for you to do the audiobook version
Speaker 4: of a Penguins calling you or something like uh. And
Speaker 4: they're like, we really want you to do an audiobook.
Speaker 4: We're gonna pay you a million dollars, million dollars, million dollars.
Speaker 4: But they have not said, and they will not say
Speaker 4: until you're on the day what book it's gonna be.
Speaker 3: Will you do it? I I cannot. I cannot know.
Speaker 2: Of course I cannot end up doing the audio book
Speaker 2: for Elon Musk's Memoir or Hillbilly Elegy or some other
Speaker 2: that that Brian Thompson's Cookbook of his Son's Blood.
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't do it.
Speaker 4: So because I can't, I can't make it clear, by
Speaker 4: the way, it's Brian Johnson.
Speaker 3: Brian Johnson, forgive me.
Speaker 2: I oh yeah, you're you're, you're you follow a lot
Speaker 2: of his uh his immortality tricks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what it's worth.
Speaker 4: The most recent news about Brian Johnson is that he's
Speaker 4: got Oh fuck, it's possible I'm wrong. Is that the
Speaker 4: lead singer of A C d C Brian Johnston?
Speaker 3: Maybe we know who we're talking about. Pause?
Speaker 4: Please, yeah, it's Brian Johnson.
Speaker 3: Okay, good.
Speaker 4: Brian Johnson is also the name of the lead singer
Speaker 4: of A C D C. So I was momentarily panicked
Speaker 4: that I somehow complated, But now you're right twice.
Speaker 3: I'm right.
Speaker 4: I'm right on all fronts. He the most recent news
Speaker 4: on him, and I don't love how much I relish this.
Speaker 4: He's got some income incurable uh disease. Yeah that like
Speaker 4: Time got him as well, and I'm like, yeah, score
Speaker 4: one more for Time.
Speaker 3: Is that the latest news.
Speaker 2: I thought the latest news was that like he cloned
Speaker 2: himself and was gonna live forever in his clone.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, I mean that's like.
Speaker 2: Like a post diagnosis thing. He's done a very it's
Speaker 2: it's really it's really bad to find glee in someone
Speaker 2: else's terminal diagnosis. He's making it really hard to have
Speaker 2: empathy because a bunch of people did celebrate when he
Speaker 2: was like, hey me, this guy who's who's pinned tweet
Speaker 2: to this day is I'm going to live forever. It
Speaker 2: turns out I have a terminal illness and and there's
Speaker 2: there's no cure for it. A bunch of people made
Speaker 2: jokes and had fun with that, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to join the fray of people making
Speaker 2: jokes and having fun with that, because because death is bad.
Speaker 3: I'm on record. And then he started posting about how
Speaker 3: it's like, is it interesting that people are finding glee
Speaker 3: in this nonsense? Nonsense nonsense.
Speaker 2: You know who who I remind myself of in this
Speaker 2: moment is Jesus Christ. He and I both went through
Speaker 2: the same thing. But all we wanted to do.
Speaker 3: We just wanted to live, live and teach. And people
Speaker 3: took joy in.
Speaker 4: Our monitor the erections of our eighteen year old son
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Speaker 4: to an eighteen year old and just see, We just
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Speaker 3: I can't add a disclaimer in the in the audio book. No,
Speaker 3: they don't. They don't let you. They don't let the
Speaker 3: speakers be like, just sell you guys, now.
Speaker 4: Not me.
Speaker 3: I don't know what about this. I did this for
Speaker 3: a million dollars.
Speaker 4: What if they were like, we will, we'll make sure
Speaker 4: that it is not nonfiction and we will make sure
Speaker 4: that it is a classic within its genre. Now do
Speaker 4: will you do it for a million dollars?
Speaker 2: I mean there's you're still there's the huck Finn of
Speaker 2: it all where it could end up getting me to
Speaker 2: say words that I don't use and don't like to use.
Speaker 3: No, I do it a million dollars?
Speaker 4: Okay, good, congratulations. Well your book is gonna be The
Speaker 4: Joy Luck Club. There's a lot of dialogue in it.
Speaker 4: It's super important that you do it. You try to
Speaker 4: emulate the voices as much as possible.
Speaker 3: What are the voices?
Speaker 4: Amy Tan? The Joy Luck Club is a story about Yeah,
Speaker 4: you heard the name and you knew immediately. You know what.
Speaker 4: You don't have to do the job. We're gonna have
Speaker 4: you do the color purple. It's a pistolary and it's
Speaker 4: written in local color writing that is not like color
Speaker 4: like you think it is. That's like an actual term.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So this is the thing.
Speaker 4: I've been listening to a lot of audiobooks. Now I'm
Speaker 4: gonna pull back the curtain and show you my whole
Speaker 4: the whole show. I've been reading a lot of it.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad show escaped your mouth because for a
Speaker 2: while that was I'm gonna pull back the curtain and
Speaker 2: show you my whole and there was a lot of
Speaker 2: air before we got to.
Speaker 4: So I listened to audiobooks on my way to work
Speaker 4: because now my work is over an hour away. And
Speaker 4: what I found is that everyone's just being pretty cool
Speaker 4: with the fact that you only have one person reading
Speaker 4: the audio book. So when they get to characters that
Speaker 4: are written with an accent, and sometimes even when they're not,
Speaker 4: that whoever's reading the audiobook is taking some big, big swing,
Speaker 4: some big cadence swings. Now, let me drill down to
Speaker 4: what that means. I listen to a book called The
Speaker 4: Star is My Destination. It's Grace or Tiger Tiger. You
Speaker 4: might know the book as because for whatever reason, this
Speaker 4: book has two titles. They don't get a bunch of
Speaker 4: different people to do the voices, and at least not
Speaker 4: in the audio book circles in which I frequent, But
Speaker 4: it's one guy and they're usually pretty good. I mean,
Speaker 4: they're sound like voice actors. They've got a lot of
Speaker 4: gravitas with they're just reading the narration, and then when
Speaker 4: they do the voices, they pick something for everybody. This
Speaker 4: guy's picked for the main character. He's got like the
Speaker 4: South African voice.
Speaker 3: That's very cool.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, he whippings wick.
Speaker 3: Are you crazy?
Speaker 4: That's exactly what the character sounds like. He he has
Speaker 4: to do a Chinese detective every once in a while,
Speaker 4: and he's taken a really big swing on this Chinese detective.
Speaker 3: That's it really throws you out of the book.
Speaker 4: But the most startling example that I've come up with
Speaker 4: so far, and everybody again, nobody's talking about this, uh is.
Speaker 4: I listened to Stephen King and there's the whole Dark
Speaker 4: Tower series which people have raved about, people who I
Speaker 4: respect have raved about it. And so I was like, well,
Speaker 4: I better read this. And you get into this book
Speaker 4: called The Drawing of the Three, and in that there's
Speaker 4: a character named Debtah Walker, And I want you to
Speaker 4: just hear some of what deada Walker sounds like.
Speaker 5: The chambers swung open, loaded, fucking be loaded. You're gonna
Speaker 5: do this young cock of the walk first, and that
Speaker 5: really bad man be waking up, and you're gonna give
Speaker 5: him one big grin smile, honey child, so I can
Speaker 5: see where you ease. And then you're gonna clean his
Speaker 5: clock something righteous. She swung the chamber back.
Speaker 3: Here's here's here's what I think, Soren, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I think go for it. I think the reader went.
Speaker 3: I think that's what you have to do. I think
Speaker 3: I think that's.
Speaker 2: Less enjoyable as a piece of media to listen to.
Speaker 2: If if the reader is timidly, if I'm just saying
Speaker 2: all those words in this unaffected voice and I'm not
Speaker 2: changing diss to this, I'm just using my normal nasal
Speaker 2: Daniel O'Brien voice to say dis motherfucker loaded, that's way
Speaker 2: worse than someone doing a voice. I think, Soren, my
Speaker 2: white friend, what do you think?
Speaker 4: I think it's a fucking trap. I think that there
Speaker 4: is no good answer. I think that if this guy
Speaker 4: did it this way, the way that he chose, which
Speaker 4: is the very biggest swing, I'm like, whoa, I have
Speaker 4: to stop whatever. I'm about to pull over because I'm like,
Speaker 4: are we are?
Speaker 3: Is he doing this? What is going on here?
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of uh him saying honky in it,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of like him really really like diving
Speaker 4: into this accent and whatever's written on the page, which
Speaker 4: you're trying to be faithful to the original author.
Speaker 3: I get it. Yeah, but no one ever.
Speaker 4: Anticipated this moment when it would have to be read
Speaker 4: out loud, and which is the one you're proposing, would
Speaker 4: be just as I think it's just as bad, which is,
Speaker 4: you don't go for it. You try to cover your
Speaker 4: tracks as best you can, you mitigate the damage, and
Speaker 4: you just read it in your your ordinary voice, the
Speaker 4: way when I or you when you are speak Spanish,
Speaker 4: when we're like, I'm gonna put the accents in.
Speaker 3: That's I know that.
Speaker 4: That's where they go like, I'm gonna do that, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna roll my rs and stuff. But I don't think
Speaker 4: that's I don't think I'm totally allowed to do that.
Speaker 4: And so but I'm not gonna speak it like a gringo,
Speaker 4: you know, like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be like,
Speaker 4: yeah me lapize as grande. I'm a rio, Like I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna do that. I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm
Speaker 4: a rio. So, uh, I don't know what the I
Speaker 4: don't think there is a good answer for it. I
Speaker 4: don't know how you do this other than if they
Speaker 4: hire more than one person to do the voices in
Speaker 4: a book, which I don't think is a terrible idea.
Speaker 4: I think that would be pretty fucking rad.
Speaker 3: It's an expensive idea.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I guess you're right.
Speaker 2: And then you're getting into like directors too, because you've
Speaker 2: got to like do a whole thing about it. And
Speaker 2: I don't think that we can guarantee that kind of
Speaker 2: treatment across all books.
Speaker 3: There are so many books.
Speaker 4: Well, let's see, you are going to be your publishing house,
Speaker 4: so you're creating these you've got you're clearly doubling up
Speaker 4: on guys anyway. You've got guys that are reading multiple books.
Speaker 4: Every Stephen King book I've read so far has been
Speaker 4: this one guy. Every Raymond Chandler book is the same guy.
Speaker 4: So you have somebody you can bring in who is
Speaker 4: your goon and like he's just doing every goon part
Speaker 4: there is. Yeah, not the modern meeting of goon.
Speaker 3: No, Stephen King hasn't gotten to that scary story yet.
Speaker 3: A the goon Cave coming next from Stephen King? What
Speaker 3: will happen in the goon cave?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got your tough guy, you've got your nerd,
Speaker 4: You've got you've got these the stable of people, and
Speaker 4: you're like, these are these are who plays each one
Speaker 4: of these roles, and I know that they do it well.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to deviate from it. And in addition
Speaker 4: to that, you're also going to make sure you have
Speaker 4: one of those for every ethnicity.
Speaker 2: What does your Dark Tower Reader do? Because there is
Speaker 2: a prominent child in that series, and there are also
Speaker 2: I think women.
Speaker 3: What does he does? He have a little kid voice?
Speaker 3: Does he have a white lady voice?
Speaker 4: You bet great, He's got it all. He's got a
Speaker 4: little kid voice. And it's also pretty grading, but it's
Speaker 4: not offensive.
Speaker 3: It's a real. I cannot stand adults acting like children.
Speaker 3: It's a real. It made the Alien Earth show very
Speaker 3: difficult for me to watch. I don't know if you've
Speaker 3: seen that show, but it's that's it. It's a lot
Speaker 3: of it. It's a lot of it is adults.
Speaker 2: Acting like children. And it's like fucking theater. People love
Speaker 2: doing that kind of theater. Kids love pretending like their children.
Speaker 2: They love it so fucking much.
Speaker 3: It sucks. I hate it.
Speaker 4: They love to stretch. Yeah, it's like that's like the
Speaker 4: challenge of it. They're like, oh yeah, oh, this is
Speaker 4: this role is a stretch. Let's try it. Let's try it.
Speaker 4: And they get excited about that kind of thing. They
Speaker 4: love playing old man. Yeah, did you ever see the
Speaker 4: show Penn fifteen. I thought they did that really well
Speaker 4: where they like make kids play fifty grizzled fifty year
Speaker 4: old people from New York.
Speaker 3: That's good stuff.
Speaker 2: There was this characterization and an audiobook thing, and I
Speaker 2: still think I'm team go for It instead of Team Welden.
Speaker 2: You're winning because that team give people jobs. There was
Speaker 2: this is such a time capsule, but I believe it
Speaker 2: was one of the bonus features in the DVD of
Speaker 2: one of John Mullaney's comedy specials where there is you
Speaker 2: could probably find it on YouTube, but it's like a
Speaker 2: conversation between Mullaney and Dan Mintz and Anthony Jesselnick, who
Speaker 2: especially at this time like this this has got to
Speaker 2: be New in Town or the one after that John
Speaker 2: mllaney special called New in Town. This is at a
Speaker 2: time where like Mullaney was famously this is this is
Speaker 2: pre backslide Mullaney, pre divorce Mulleney, pre marriage Mulleny where it.
Speaker 3: Was like, this is what a what a nice man
Speaker 3: in a suit?
Speaker 2: You know he's not clean, but it seems like clean
Speaker 2: comedy this is such a good old boy. We like
Speaker 2: John mulaney, who wears a suit, he's a showman, his
Speaker 2: hair is combed. And Anthony Jesselnick is like a dark comedian.
Speaker 2: He's the rose guy and he's evil and he's the
Speaker 2: devil and you know, dead baby jokes and this and
Speaker 2: that and UH politically incorrect as far as you can get.
Speaker 2: And the two of them talking about John Special in
Speaker 2: this UH DVD bonus feature hit on something so interesting.
Speaker 3: Because Mullaney will tell he will talk about law and order,
Speaker 3: and he will do.
Speaker 2: An impression of iced tea that's as accurate as he
Speaker 2: can get, and he will also talk about encounters with
Speaker 2: people that he has on the streets of New York
Speaker 2: and it has him doing a black voice, like there's
Speaker 2: no way around it that this is like, and jessel
Speaker 2: Neck confronts him about it, and it's just like, for
Speaker 2: all the dark stuff that that for my reputation of darkness,
Speaker 2: I would never do that.
Speaker 3: I would never in a million years.
Speaker 2: Get on stage and do black voice because it seems
Speaker 2: so inappropriate and Malay. It's just like that's what he
Speaker 2: sounded like. So on some level, when the guys are
Speaker 2: reading the audio books.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that self.
Speaker 2: Justification is like, this is I'm reading the page, and
Speaker 2: it is my job to interpret interpret what the author
Speaker 2: is trying to say on the page. This is what
Speaker 2: this character sounds like. So I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do it. You hired me, and you bought the audiobook.
Speaker 2: You trusted me to interpret this book for you. Here's
Speaker 2: how I'm doing it.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're right on some level, But I have to
Speaker 4: think that twenty years from now, when everybody else starts
Speaker 4: listening to only audiobooks and we've all forgotten how to read,
Speaker 4: this will be as big a problem as Mickey Rooney
Speaker 4: and Breakfast at Tiffany's. He went for it, he got
Speaker 4: hired at a job. At the time, it didn't seem
Speaker 4: crazy in the moment. Then they were like, they're like,
Speaker 4: what's the best you can do? And he's like, well,
Speaker 4: I really should steer into the skid here, I should
Speaker 4: just really go for it, and did.
Speaker 3: And boy does it not age.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think that here's the other part of
Speaker 4: this that I offered you a million dollars, because even
Speaker 4: for less than that, I don't think you could do
Speaker 4: it as a already public figure. I think a lot
Speaker 4: of these guys who are doing these voices. Maybe again,
Speaker 4: I don't travel in the same circles of voiceover actors,
Speaker 4: But these guys aren't well known enough that somebody's reading
Speaker 4: gonna listen to the audiobook simply because they like the
Speaker 4: guy reading it. They're not gonna be like, oh, I
Speaker 4: love his work, I'll check out that book. I think
Speaker 4: that if you did it, that would happen, and that's
Speaker 4: more dangerous. That's more dangerous.
Speaker 3: Because then I'm courting the controversy a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I wanted the money. I want the money that
Speaker 3: people stop sh I want the money, I mean.
Speaker 4: And also, just listening to these I'm sure that there
Speaker 4: is a ton of work that goes in before this
Speaker 4: has ever read. It's not like the guy shows up
Speaker 4: on the day and he's like, well, the words right there.
Speaker 4: I obviously don't have to memorize them because nobody's looking
Speaker 4: at me. What if I just read it on the day,
Speaker 4: that can't possibly be it, because he's got to make
Speaker 4: big decision. I always sing, he I guess there's women
Speaker 4: who also do these.
Speaker 3: Shout out Dorothea Lewis.
Speaker 2: He's a friend of mine who reads audiobooks shout out
Speaker 2: Dorothea Lewis aka a.
Speaker 4: Real digging against me that it's clear that even though
Speaker 4: I'm burning through audiobooks, I haven't done a single one
Speaker 4: that's clearly written from the perspective.
Speaker 3: Of a woman.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm sorry, I will I'm gonna read The Joylut
Speaker 4: Club next, I promise.
Speaker 3: Well, God completely think there's a lot of work that
Speaker 3: goes into it.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of work they have to figure out
Speaker 4: what the voices are going to be, right.
Speaker 2: I think they also probably have some kind of discretion
Speaker 2: over what they choose. A right that's got to be
Speaker 2: a conversation where the publishers like, we have this available,
Speaker 2: we think you'd be good for it. Yeah, heads up,
Speaker 2: here's some of the stuff that goes into this. And
Speaker 2: an author has the right to a reader has the
Speaker 2: right to say, like, it's not I'm not not for me.
Speaker 3: I don't feel good doing that.
Speaker 4: I think that's probably true. I think that you but
Speaker 4: you're also you know there's gonna be words in there
Speaker 4: that you don't know, words that the author made up,
Speaker 4: And so then you've got to be in contact with
Speaker 4: the author to make sure that you're doing a justice right,
Speaker 4: So you've got this so much front end work that
Speaker 4: probably is happening.
Speaker 3: The guy who read my audiobook didn't say shit to me.
Speaker 4: Well, you're right then, the King's English. It's very easy
Speaker 4: to understand, thank you. There's like didit chok? There's in
Speaker 4: within the Dark Tower, which clearly is something you have
Speaker 4: heard read scene scene Okay, So there are these like
Speaker 4: lobstrosities that live in the ocean and they make a
Speaker 4: very specific sound that is like a did it choc
Speaker 4: did chock kind of sound, and even written, seeing that
Speaker 4: written out phonetically, you'd be like, well, fucking get King
Speaker 4: on the horn because I don't know what this is
Speaker 4: supposed to sound like. And I think that they must
Speaker 4: do a ton. There's even stuff that I'm not thinking
Speaker 4: of that they have to do in preparation to make
Speaker 4: sure that, uh, they're doing the as much justice to
Speaker 4: the book as possible.
Speaker 3: They're the guy who does.
Speaker 4: The Raymond Chandler once is amazing for anyone who doesn't
Speaker 4: know Raymon Chandler writes all the Philip Marlow hardboiled detective stories.
Speaker 4: They are the birth of hard boiled detective stories, like
Speaker 4: they are he He is the master of them, and
Speaker 4: he was the originator arguably, but he the guy the
Speaker 4: Philip Marlow characters. The Philip Marlow character is very specific,
Speaker 4: and he's when you read him, he's so fun on
Speaker 4: the page. It's much tougher to do that as an actor,
Speaker 4: like to really capture what he is. And the guy
Speaker 4: who's doing it is fucking nailing it. So it's clear
Speaker 4: that he worked on this character as much as a
Speaker 4: guy would have if he was going to play him
Speaker 4: in a movie, and so so much work goes in.
Speaker 4: I have to assume this conversation has happened multiple times
Speaker 4: for these books where they're like, Okay, I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: doing this character who is first generation from Thailand as well.
Speaker 4: He's only on these five pages, but I'm deeply worried.
Speaker 3: Would it be okay? Can I give you?
Speaker 2: Can I give you one one take where I'm where
Speaker 2: I'm just doing my voice? Is that just just so
Speaker 2: I can say that I did that and gave you
Speaker 2: that option, and then when the book comes out, then
Speaker 2: it's on you for picking whatever one that you picked.
Speaker 3: Can we just.
Speaker 4: I think we I mean we run into it on
Speaker 4: our show too, there's a really excellent, renowned Morgan Freeman
Speaker 4: impersonator in Los Angeles and he does Morgan Freeman for
Speaker 4: a lot of shows, a lot of animated shows.
Speaker 2: White guy, you got him for us for Cracked when
Speaker 2: you were when we still weren't for Cracked obviously. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we had something that was like I don't know that
Speaker 2: it was going to go out to the internet or
Speaker 2: if it was some internal thing that we were doing,
Speaker 2: like south By Southwest. Oh was south By Southwest and
Speaker 2: we needed we wanted like a Morgan Freeman s narrator,
Speaker 2: And you're like, I got a guy and he comes
Speaker 2: into the office and he's a very white manager.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, oh okay, it's just the south By audience.
Speaker 3: I guess no one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're not gonna credit you.
Speaker 3: Is that okay?
Speaker 4: But yeah, we have and and obviously the show has
Speaker 4: has been on long enough now that we've been through
Speaker 4: moments of awakening I would say, moments where we were
Speaker 4: become more aware of the world and we're like, oh,
Speaker 4: maybe that wasn't such a good choice. We had a
Speaker 4: character on our show named short Run No that Short
Speaker 4: Runs from also a pretty bad character. Yeah, but eight
Speaker 4: Bit I think is the name of our character who
Speaker 4: is like a Cambodian general, and that's a that accent's
Speaker 4: a pretty big swing. And if you go back and
Speaker 4: you listen to it, you're like, who that's tough man?
Speaker 4: We are This is not just somebody trying to be
Speaker 4: faithful to Cambodians. This is somebody who is making fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good chance that this person didn't like consoled
Speaker 2: a bunch of resources and like, talk to some people
Speaker 2: from Cambodia to get an accent there. There's I'm gonna say,
Speaker 2: a ninety it's no disrespect to this voice actor. A
Speaker 2: ninety chance that this person's like, I think I have
Speaker 2: a rough idea what they sound like.
Speaker 3: I think I got I got it.
Speaker 4: Let's just try it one in the room.
Speaker 3: Come on.
Speaker 4: I have to think I haven't watched Team America in
Speaker 4: a long time. And it certainly helps that you're doing
Speaker 4: the voice of a dictator. But they are really playing
Speaker 4: with a Korean accent in that they're playing with like
Speaker 4: what's the fun of doing Korean? Which I don't know
Speaker 4: if that's the same territory, because now you're making fun.
Speaker 4: Now you're being hard on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're getting jokes without any jokes being told,
Speaker 2: and so then you're not getting last without any jokes
Speaker 2: being told.
Speaker 3: And then so where is the laugh? What is the
Speaker 3: what is the joke? Then? What is the subtext of
Speaker 3: the joke? What do we all think is funny? You're
Speaker 3: getting away? Someone talks Uh? Oh, so yeah, I I didn't.
Speaker 4: I can't really talk to anybod about this because nobody
Speaker 4: else I know it only consumes their books.
Speaker 5: This way.
Speaker 4: I'm a maniac because it's that's like I'm at the
Speaker 4: gym or I'm driving and I'm like, let's listen to
Speaker 4: a story. Let's like listen to something fun. And have
Speaker 4: gotten obsessed with audiobooks, and man, this is across the board.
Speaker 4: This is a problem for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's I I can't contribute much. I
Speaker 2: think I've listened to one audio book in my life.
Speaker 2: On a road trip with my wife, we would listen
Speaker 2: to Kamala Harris's book one hundred and seven Days.
Speaker 4: Does she do her own voice?
Speaker 3: She does her own cheat? Oh, she doesn't do any
Speaker 3: She doesn't have the fun with it that.
Speaker 2: I'd hope she'd have, you know, I think she's probably
Speaker 2: gonna run again. So she's not gonna do like, she
Speaker 2: doesn't bust out a Trump or a Biden voice.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, come on, you got one your age.
Speaker 4: I fucking know you do. Lindsey Graham. I think you've
Speaker 4: got a great Lindsey Graham in you. You got that
Speaker 4: high pitch voice already.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lindsay Graham said, wouldn't support me? He said no way.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, but did he say like that? Come on,
Speaker 3: how did you say it? Yeah?
Speaker 4: A little something like this and then do it? I yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't think I can. I an't do a lot
Speaker 4: of nonfiction. In nonfiction, I think it's probably a different animal.
Speaker 4: I think that they don't aren't expected to because you're
Speaker 4: listening to the story as though it's being told to
Speaker 4: you from the actual person. So like when they're talking
Speaker 4: in other people's voices, you still expect it to be
Speaker 4: in the voice of Kamala Harris. Sure, even if it's
Speaker 4: quotation dialogue. But not man, these fiction stories, it's dangerous territory.
Speaker 4: You should listen to more. By the way, they're great,
Speaker 4: and in fact, you have to make sure that you
Speaker 4: get the right ones, because there are some. I'll give
Speaker 4: you an example Elie confidential unlistenable.
Speaker 3: Okay, I.
Speaker 2: This this is this is one of those takes that
Speaker 2: gets people pointing a bunch of knives at me. And
Speaker 2: I was hoping to never have to get into it,
Speaker 2: uh and just let it be one of those takes
Speaker 2: that I have in my heart and and bring to
Speaker 2: my grave. But I'm I'm pretty anti audio book.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And that's at first people are going to hear that
Speaker 2: and get very pissed off, and they're gonna think I'm
Speaker 2: uh elitist and ablest that I'm trying to keep books
Speaker 2: out of the hands of people who can't read. And
Speaker 2: then by the time I've finished my explanation, I think
Speaker 2: people will be pissed off for different reasons because I'm
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a semantic asshole, where.
Speaker 3: I just think that.
Speaker 2: We should if you consume a book by listening to it,
Speaker 2: we should call it something else. That's not odd today
Speaker 2: we should make that distinction, because for a while, I
Speaker 2: think everyone made that distinction. It was like I read
Speaker 2: this or I listened to it. You know, people would
Speaker 2: correct self correct and say they listened.
Speaker 3: And then at some point in the last ten years,
Speaker 3: loud people on the internet are writing for the Atlantic
Speaker 3: or wherever the fuck idiots with too much time and
Speaker 3: not enough problems go.
Speaker 2: They were saying that, hey, if you listen to a book,
Speaker 2: then you read the book, and you can say that
Speaker 2: you have to let anyone know that you listen to
Speaker 2: it instead of reading it. And it became, like so
Speaker 2: many things, a cause and a pride thing. I did
Speaker 2: this and I like it, so that means it's good
Speaker 2: and it's right. I disagree, I think. And there's where
Speaker 2: it gets into semantics. You listened to The Great Gatsby.
Speaker 2: I read The Great Gatsby.
Speaker 3: On the score of like, have we both consumed the
Speaker 3: same information? Yes we have. Do we know the story?
Speaker 2: We both can can can convincingly pass a high school
Speaker 2: English test about The Great Gatsby even though you listen
Speaker 2: to it and I read it. We can both, I think,
Speaker 2: swear to a light detector test. I know what happens
Speaker 2: in The Great Gatsby and how it happens, and the
Speaker 2: style of writing that was employed in it.
Speaker 3: Yes, we both got the Great Gatsby. We ate it,
Speaker 3: we consumed it. We didn't both read it because reading,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, that is worthless. Reading is a thing
Speaker 3: that you.
Speaker 2: Make time for that takes up all of your attention.
Speaker 2: Because everyone when I when I had my son and
Speaker 2: was bummed that I would have less time to read,
Speaker 2: people were saying, oh, you can do. You can listen
Speaker 2: to audio books in the car, you can listen to
Speaker 2: them on your runs, you can listen to them on
Speaker 2: the walks. You just like, have it going in your
Speaker 2: house while you're doing X, you know, yard work, chores,
Speaker 2: prepping the dinner, putting the kid to sleep, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to do. And it's like that is not I
Speaker 2: don't want to read and do another thing. I the
Speaker 2: act of reading is enjoyable to me, and I like that.
Speaker 3: I'm giving it my.
Speaker 2: Full attention because I reject the efficiency economy where we're
Speaker 2: trying to make things happen faster and multiple things happen
Speaker 2: at once.
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that. I don't want to
Speaker 3: multitask meeting reading for the same reason I don't want
Speaker 3: to like multitask love making or eating, you know, all
Speaker 3: these things.
Speaker 2: They're just like, no, this is the thing that I
Speaker 2: like to do, So I like the point is making
Speaker 2: time for the act of it, and like sitting and
Speaker 2: looking at this and unlocking my brain and not like
Speaker 2: reading while also.
Speaker 3: Vacuuming or raking leaves or doing any of these other things.
Speaker 2: It's again, it's just, it's just it's it's a semantic distinction,
Speaker 2: and uh makes me ablest at worst and like just
Speaker 2: annoying at best.
Speaker 3: But it's how I feel.
Speaker 2: And I looked at our runtime, and we still had
Speaker 2: more minutes to go, and I could tell Soren was
Speaker 2: running out of steam. So I thought my bag old
Speaker 2: rant about reading was going to go somewhere, and here
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 4: Well, all right, I've let you speak, Daniel, thank you,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to say now that I think you're
Speaker 4: completely wrong, that this is a knives to your throat moment. Oh,
Speaker 4: I think you're up. I don't think you're going to
Speaker 4: find a writer who disagrees with you, okay. I think
Speaker 4: everyone who writes understands that there's a fundamental difference, and
Speaker 4: which is why I generally qualify when I if I
Speaker 4: say with somebody's like, oh, what's a science fiction book
Speaker 4: do you really like? I'm like, well, I read this
Speaker 4: one called the Stars My Destination. I listened to it.
Speaker 4: I listened to this book All the Stars My Destination,
Speaker 4: because it's it is an important distinction. When you read
Speaker 4: you find passages that you particularly like, that you think
Speaker 4: are interesting and beautiful or whatever, and then you go
Speaker 4: back and you reread it over and over again. You
Speaker 4: sit there with the book for a while, you stay
Speaker 4: on that same page. The pages are not turning at
Speaker 4: the same uniform pace as they would with an audiobook,
Speaker 4: where you're just blowing through everything and you're getting the
Speaker 4: information and you're understanding this, you're comprehending the story. You're
Speaker 4: not comprehending the I don't think from reading it. From
Speaker 4: hearing it, you're not going to get a lot of
Speaker 4: the literary devices that are being used.
Speaker 3: You're not getting.
Speaker 4: The interesting turns of phrase as much. You might capture
Speaker 4: some of them out of the air when you hear them.
Speaker 3: But you're not.
Speaker 4: You can't don't have the luxury of them, like rereading
Speaker 4: it over and over again and have it set in
Speaker 4: your memory. There's stuff you just can't do. I also
Speaker 4: think that there's something really valuable to reading a book,
Speaker 4: giving it your attention and it not holding your attention,
Speaker 4: and you like drifting off as you're reading it, being like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, I didn't pay attention to just happened in
Speaker 4: less paragraph and then rereading it again and dedicating yourself
Speaker 4: once more to a thing like that kind.
Speaker 3: Of or letting yourself stay kind of drift it off.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no there's no better imagination activation machine
Speaker 2: than a book. It is still like bar none, unparalleled,
Speaker 2: undefeated as far as like getting my brain to work
Speaker 2: when I'm sitting and staring and looking at it versus
Speaker 2: when I'm listening to a book with my wife. We
Speaker 2: will A thing that you can't do when you're reading
Speaker 2: a book is we will turn down the volume and
Speaker 2: talk about what we're going to have for lunch, and
Speaker 2: then turn up the volume and miss little bits and
Speaker 2: pieces of the book because we're not really paying full
Speaker 2: attention to it.
Speaker 4: I mean, even screenwriters, you know that watching a movie
Speaker 4: is a very different thing than reading the screenplay of it,
Speaker 4: despite the fact that there's a lot of differences in
Speaker 4: dialogue stuff because changes get made. But even if it
Speaker 4: was exactly the same, you want to see the formatting.
Speaker 4: You want to see how it's written. You want to
Speaker 4: read the action lines speak because those are super crucial
Speaker 4: to like the flow of the story and seeing it
Speaker 4: is one thing reading it is very very different. You
Speaker 4: pick up on foreshadowing in different ways. You pick up
Speaker 4: on through lines that you didn't see before because it's
Speaker 4: on a page now. It's like it's the same way
Speaker 4: when you're writing yourself. You have a lot of thoughts
Speaker 4: in your head and you're kind of keeping track of
Speaker 4: all of those and you're juggling them. You're juggling them,
Speaker 4: and it's very hard to focus on any one of
Speaker 4: the objects that you're juggling until you can put it
Speaker 4: down in front of you and look at it. And
Speaker 4: so like it's a writing just allows you to lay everything,
Speaker 4: all those thoughts and like you like, I have the
Speaker 4: whole story in my head. No, it allows you to
Speaker 4: lay it out in a row so that you can
Speaker 4: see it before you and really notice all of the
Speaker 4: details of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just want to close by saying I don't
Speaker 2: want anyone to feel bad anyone who they should.
Speaker 4: If people can say that they fucking listen to that
Speaker 4: they read Moby Dick and they listen to Moby Dick,
Speaker 4: ah fuck, that they could come with me, not you
Speaker 4: all in front of you.
Speaker 2: You can still go to parties and say you read
Speaker 2: all the books that you want to say you have read.
Speaker 3: It's I'm not. I never want to make anyone feel
Speaker 3: bad for.
Speaker 4: Anything, But imagine listening to Ulysses. What are you going
Speaker 4: to get out of that experience?
Speaker 2: You might get something, That's what I'm saying. It's just
Speaker 2: a different it's just a different thing. It's a different thing.
Speaker 4: But you yeah, I guess you're right. I guess you're right.
Speaker 4: I mean, I go to I think about going to
Speaker 4: museums like an art form that I don't know anything about.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to like make it as distance itself, distance
Speaker 4: it from me. I go to art museums, and I
Speaker 4: get bored because I'm like Christ painting, another Christ painting,
Speaker 4: another Christ painting?
Speaker 3: What are we doing?
Speaker 4: And like, I don't understand the work that goes into that.
Speaker 4: I don't understand the details. I don't understand why making
Speaker 4: water look real is tough. I don't get these things.
Speaker 4: And and so somebody who does and has like this
Speaker 4: whole tool this whole tool belt of ways to dissect
Speaker 4: a painting and understand it, They're going to understand a
Speaker 4: lot more than I will. And so I think, maybe
Speaker 4: from a distance, if you are not a writer, audiobooks
Speaker 4: are for you, man, They're totally fine, and the read
Speaker 4: there's a very specific reason that I'm reading like pulp
Speaker 4: stuff when I when I read in my car, when
Speaker 4: I'm listening to audiobooks, I'm listening to Stephen King and
Speaker 4: I'm listening to Raymond Chandler and stuff, because those are
Speaker 4: The story itself is very enjoyable, and it doesn't I don't.
Speaker 4: I know that I'm missing some cool Cormick McCarthy type
Speaker 4: shit when I'm doing it, but it doesn't matter because
Speaker 4: I'm there for just the story itself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of Cormick McCarthy stuff in Stephen
Speaker 2: King and Raymond Chandler books, you know what. I'm glad
Speaker 2: those are the ones that you're listening to to find
Speaker 2: some cormck McCarthy stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna reread.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna in Blood Meridian, I'm gonna reread The Stars
Speaker 4: Wheeled across the Sky toward Uncharted Reckonings over and over again,
Speaker 4: because I'm like, that's a fucking awesome thing to say.
Speaker 4: If I hear that in a story, I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: blow right past me. All right, I'm ranto, but yeah,
Speaker 4: come for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not Daniel.
Speaker 4: He's good, he's a good heart. Leave him alone, all right, Well,
Speaker 4: thank you for listening to this podcast The Spin quick question, Really, Daniel, honestly,
Speaker 4: you should read the podcast.
Speaker 3: You should read it.
Speaker 4: This is how we transcript this is how we intended.
Speaker 3: It before every episode.
Speaker 2: Patreon listeners know that we write these podcasts. We script
Speaker 2: them first, one hundred percent scripted, and that's how we
Speaker 2: want them consumed, and then we record it for as
Speaker 2: like a like a some icing on it. But this
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