WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.839 What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:06.160 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right 3 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:09.919 back to the deposition given by Jane Doe down in 4 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:13.519 Florida in two thousand and eight, and once again, mister 5 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:17.440 Tyne is asking the questions and Jane Doe is doing 6 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:20.879 the answering. Question. Mister Tyne, let me ask you a 7 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:25.519 few questions about your contact with Jeffrey Epstein. Okay, answer 8 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:29.559 witness nods, head up and down. Question. Jeff never emailed you, 9 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:34.079 diddy answer no question. Jeff never text messaged you. Did 10 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:38.280 he answer no question? Jeff never chatted in a chat 11 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:41.679 room with you? Did he answer no question? Before you 12 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:44.359 got to Epstein's house, you had never spoken to Jeff. 13 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:47.759 Had you answer no question? And before you got to 14 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:52.079 Epstein's house, you had never met Jeff Answer correct question. 15 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:54.840 Before you got to Ebstein's house, you had never told 16 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:58.960 Jeff you were under eighteen right? Answer no question. Before 17 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:01.679 you got to Epstein's house, had you ever told Jeffrey 18 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:05.519 that you were under eighteen? Answer no. I never spoke 19 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:08.359 to the man before that question. And you only went 20 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:11.200 to Jeff Epstein's house that one time three years ago, 21 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:16.239 correct answer yes. Question you never went there again? Correct 22 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:19.920 answer no question. All right, let me ask you two 23 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:22.840 final areas of questioning about this and we'll move on 24 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:27.560 to something else. Okay, answer uh huh. Yes. Question before 25 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:30.560 you got to Epstein's, did anyone associated with Epstein ever 26 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:33.000 call you on the phone and try to persuade you, 27 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:37.040 induce you, entice you, or coerce you to engage in 28 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:42.920 any sexual activity? Answer no. Question Before you got to Epstein's, 29 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:45.959 did anybody associated with Epstein ever contact you on the 30 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.599 internet and try to persuade, induce, entice, or coerce you 31 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.879 to engage in sexual activity? Answer no question or redacted? 32 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.040 Who told you that when you got to Jeff Epstein's 33 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.840 house you should lie to Jeff about your age? Answer redacted? 34 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:04.079 Question was it redacted? Or was it the other girl 35 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:07.200 in the car who rode over with you to Epstein's house? 36 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.919 Answer redacted? Question Who was the other girl in the 37 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:14.080 car with you that day? Answer? I honestly don't know. 38 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:17.639 Question had you ever seen her before? Answer no, sir. 39 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:20.800 Question you told the police that you wrote over at 40 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:24.080 Epstein's You had no idea who she was? Right answer 41 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:27.439 correct question you told the police that you didn't know 42 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:29.759 her name, but she was really dark, kind of like 43 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:34.039 a Spanish girl. Answer yes question, those were your words. 44 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:38.360 Right answer, yes question. Do you know who she is? 45 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:42.520 Answer no, sir question. So it was redacted who told 46 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:45.759 you to lie about your age to Jeff Epstein. Answer yes, 47 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:49.439 sir question. And redacted told you that if you weren't eighteen, 48 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:53.319 Epstein wouldn't let you into his house. Right answer, that's 49 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:58.080 she stumbles a bit. Yes, yes question. All right, let's 50 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.960 talk for a minute about when you first met Jeff. Okay, 51 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:05.520 answer sure question. When you first met Jeff, he tried 52 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:09.759 to find out how old you were? Right answer, excuse me? Question, 53 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:12.319 when you first met Jeff, he tried to find out 54 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:15.280 how old you were? Right answer not when we were 55 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:18.080 first introduced to each other, when we get upstairs. Then 56 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:22.120 yes question. During the massage, Jeff asked how old you 57 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:26.599 were a correct answer, yes question. Now, hadn't you already 58 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:29.960 told Jeff's assistant, the one who walked you upstairs, that 59 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.080 you went to college and had just moved down here 60 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:36.439 from Ohio? Answer I never spoke to the lady. Question 61 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.319 do you want to rethink that? Answer to this mister, 62 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:44.039 Leopold objects. Is that a question, mister Tyne answers do 63 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:48.039 you want to rethink that? Answer? Answer? No, I didn't 64 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:50.560 really speak with her that much. Question do you want 65 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:54.039 to try to refresh your memory on that? Mister Leopold objects? 66 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:56.919 Once again? Do you have something to refresh your memory with? 67 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:00.759 Mister Tyne? Do you want to stop making speak objections 68 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:04.319 mister Leopold. No, But to refresh someone's memory, you show 69 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:07.719 them a document, mister Tyne. I know how to do this, 70 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:12.439 mister Leopold. Then show her the document, mister Tyne, stop speaking, 71 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.160 mister Leopold. I'm not going to stop speaking. I'm going 72 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:19.079 to continue to make the record. Mister Tyne. You're obstructing. 73 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:22.959 Please stop, mister Leopold. I'm not obstructing, But if you 74 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:25.879 want to refresh your recollection, you need to show her something. 75 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:28.959 That's not a proper question. I object to the foundation 76 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:33.040 and the predicate of that question, mister Tyne. Are you done, 77 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:37.879 mister Leopold? I am now, thank you, mister Tyne. Question, 78 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:40.600 do you want to try to refresh your memory as 79 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:43.199 to whether you had that conversation with a woman who 80 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:45.920 walked you upstairs in Epstein's house in which you told 81 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:48.240 her that you went to college and just moved down 82 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:52.519 from Ohio. Mister Leopold objection, object to the form of 83 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:57.439 the question, lack of foundation and the predicate. Mister Tyne, 84 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:01.639 you can answer that question. Answer sure. Question is there 85 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:04.240 anything that would refresh her memory that, in fact you 86 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:07.480 told mister Epstein's assistant, the one who walked you upstairs, 87 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:09.759 that you went to college and you had just moved 88 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:13.120 down here from Ohio. Answer I don't remember saying that. 89 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:17.120 I don't remember saying that myself. So question that would 90 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:20.079 be a lie right Answer No, I really don't remember. 91 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:23.040 Question So you told Jeff that you were eighteen years old? 92 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:27.680 Correct answer yes. Question do you remember Detective Michelle Pagan 93 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.480 of the Police Department, Palm Beach Police Department. Answer yes, 94 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:35.279 Do you remember you spoke to her? Question? Answer yes. 95 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:39.439 Question do you remember that you told Detective Pagan that 96 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:42.160 when you lied about your age to Jeff, you said 97 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:44.160 it really fast because you didn't want to make it 98 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.680 sound like you were lying. Answer I don't remember the 99 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:50.120 words exactly, but I do remember telling her that I 100 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:53.439 told him I was eighteen. Question and do you remember 101 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:57.079 telling Detective Pagan that when you lied to Epstein about 102 00:05:57.120 --> 00:05:59.959 your age, that you said it really fast, so Epstein 103 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.600 wouldn't realize you were lying. Answer, No, I don't remember 104 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.240 saying the words exactly to her. I remember telling her 105 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:09.319 that I told Epstein I was eighteen. Question does it 106 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:12.000 sound right that you really told Detective Pegan that you 107 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.800 said your age really fast to Epstein? And to this 108 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:22.240 the prosecutor finally interjects, Miss Bellahovlik objection asked an answered, 109 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:26.199 mister Tyne. Question, so you wouldn't think that you were lying, 110 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.680 mister Leopold. Now objects objection asked an answered, fact of 111 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:35.680 foundation mischaracterization of her earlier testimony. She already answered that question, 112 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:40.120 mister Tyne. You can answer it, Mister Leopold, same objection. 113 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:43.800 It's been asked and answered. You can answer. I've made 114 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:48.839 the objection the witness. I forgot the question now, mister Tyne, question, 115 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:51.680 let me put it again. Does it sound right to 116 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:55.079 you that you told Detective Pagan that you lied about 117 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:58.240 your age to Jeffrey Epstein? You said it really fast 118 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:00.199 because you didn't want to make it sound like you 119 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:04.959 were lying, mister Leopold. Objection, lack of foundation, asked, An answered, 120 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:10.360 answer the witness, I could have possibly said that, yes question. 121 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:12.360 You didn't want mister Epstein to know that you were 122 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:17.040 lying about trade. Right answer, correct question. You didn't want 123 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:19.360 mister Epstein to know that you were not eighteen Right 124 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:24.040 answer correct question. You wanted mister Epstein to believe that 125 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:28.040 you were really eighteen Right answer correct question. Do you 126 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.839 remember when mister Epstein asked where you went to school? 127 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:34.519 Answer yes question, and you told mister Epstein you went 128 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:38.920 to Wellington right answer, yes question. Was that the truth answer? 129 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:42.720 No question? In fact, you went to Royal Palm right answer, 130 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:47.360 yes question. So you lied to mister Epstein again, correct answer, 131 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.399 yes question. Is Wellington the college that you told Jeff's 132 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:55.240 assistant that you were attending? Answer? I don't remember having 133 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:57.720 that conversation with her, so I wouldn't know if that's 134 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:01.360 what I said. Question. That was a lie, wasn't it. 135 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:04.839 Mister Leopold, objection to the form of the question. Lack 136 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:08.560 of foundation. You're making an assumption. She just answered you. 137 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:12.040 She can't tell you that, mister Tyne speaking objection and 138 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:15.279 you all know that, mister Leopold. Mister Leopold, she can't 139 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.079 answer your question the way you phrase that question, you're 140 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:21.560 purposely making her not be honest in her testimony. She 141 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:24.600 can't answer a question like that. She doesn't remember, so 142 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.439 then you say so, you're lying. That's improper and you 143 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.800 know that that's not a proper question. And any attorney 144 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:34.519 that would do a witness or do a person that's 145 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:38.080 sitting in this chair is not acting professionally. You can't 146 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:40.480 ask a question like that. You can do it, but 147 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:43.120 it's not proper and I'm sure you aren't trained that way, 148 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:48.480 certainly not ethically. Mister Tyne. Will you stop, mister Leopold, 149 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:51.279 I'm not going to stop because the way you're asking 150 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:55.080 that question is improper and you know it, mister Tyne. 151 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:59.960 You're losing your cool, mister Tyne, question misredacted, mister leopl 152 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.679 Trust me, I'm very calm. When I lose my cool. 153 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:06.679 You'll know it, mister Tyne. I do know it. Again, 154 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:10.559 mister Tyne, asked a question, mister dacted. Mister Epstein never 155 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:13.320 asked you to do anything other than massage them correct 156 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.399 answer incorrect because he asked me to take off my 157 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:18.799 bra so that would be two things he's asked me 158 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:21.960 to do. Question other than asking you to take off 159 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.960 your bra. Mister Epstein never asked you to do anything 160 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:29.360 with them other than massage. Correct, mister Leopold objection foundation 161 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:34.639 predicate the witness. Correct, mister Tyne. Question you told the 162 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:37.120 police in your words that you did not whack them off? 163 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:41.519 Right answer correct question? What does that mean? Answer whack 164 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:45.000 like whacking off? Question your term? What does that mean? 165 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:49.360 Answer of masturbating? Question? Mister Epstein never tried at any 166 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:52.480 time to grab your hand? Did he? Answer no question? 167 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:55.360 Mister Epstein never tried to put your hand anywhere? Did 168 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:59.320 he answer no question? At no time did you touch 169 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:03.360 mister Epstein' penis? Did you answer no question? And he 170 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:07.879 did not touch you? Correct answer incorrect question, Well, you 171 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:10.159 told the police at no time did he touch me? 172 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:13.799 Were you lying to the police then? Answer no, Well 173 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:17.120 I wasn't being fully truthful, but I wasn't lying. Question 174 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.039 You told the police twice when you spoke to Michelle 175 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.879 Pegan that at no time did he touch me? Didn't 176 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.320 you say that to the police? Answer yeah, question and 177 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:29.240 you're saying that was not fully truthful? Is that what 178 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:33.440 you're saying now? Answer correct question, and you're saying if 179 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:36.919 you're not fully truthful. That's not a lie. Correct answer. 180 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:40.080 You took that out of context, like really bad. I 181 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:43.240 didn't mean that touching my legs. And he never kept 182 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:45.840 his hands to himself the entire time. That's what I'm 183 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:48.960 trying to say. Question you told the police at no 184 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:52.559 time did he touch me? You agree with that? Correct answer? No, 185 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:55.200 I don't agree with that, because he did touch me. 186 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:58.159 Question did you tell the police that he did not 187 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.320 touch you? Yes or no answer. It's a possibility, but 188 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.679 I don't remember. Question Okay. And you did not have 189 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:09.120 any type of sex with Jeff correct answer, no question. 190 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:11.320 And you did not have any type of oral sex 191 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:15.960 with Jeff. Correct answer, no question, no type of intercourse 192 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:20.799 with Jeff. Correct answer, correct question. All right, let's talk 193 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:24.759 about what happened after the massage was over. All right, folks, 194 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:27.039 we're gonna wrap up right there, and in the next episode, 195 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.639 we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of 196 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:32.559 the information that goes with this episode can be found 197 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:35.879 in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to 198 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:39.919 another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're 199 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.480 getting right back to Jane Doe two thousand and eight 200 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:46.679 and her deposition in Florida against Jeffrey Epstein, and we 201 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:49.759 left off in the last episode with all right, let's 202 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:55.000 talk about what happened after the massage was over. Answer okay, question, 203 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.559 After the massage, you told Epstein that you wanted to 204 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:00.840 bring your twin sister back so you can make some money. 205 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:05.799 Correct answer, incorrect question. Your twin sister is redacted? Right 206 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:10.159 answer correct question. And you love your sister very much, 207 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:14.200 don't you answer yes? Question? And when you left your house, 208 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.519 you were joking with the other girls, weren't you answer 209 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:21.679 incorrect question? Well, when Redacted and the other girl in 210 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:24.159 the car that day made their statements to police, they 211 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.879 told the police that you were joking afterward. Are you 212 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.159 saying that you were lying to the police about that? Answer? No, 213 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:34.200 but a question or questions from redacted, Like she asked 214 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:37.480 me questions, But it wasn't joking. She was kind of 215 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.159 like in a happy way, like, oh, what did you do? 216 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:43.639 What did you do? Like those kinds of things, But 217 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.919 it wasn't joking about it at all. Question you joked 218 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:50.600 about it, didn't you answer? No? Question? You said to 219 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:53.519 redacted that if you did this every weekend, you'd be rich. 220 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:58.080 Didn't you answer no, that's what redacted told me. Question 221 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:02.799 you didn't tell that to redacted? Mister Leopold objects objection 222 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:09.600 asked an answered answer no. Question. After you left Epstein's house, 223 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:12.120 you took the money and you went shopping with redacted 224 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:15.200 and the other girl in the car. Correct answer correct, 225 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.279 I didn't spend any of the money. Question you went 226 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:21.200 to Marshals, didn't you? Answer? I went along, Yes, but 227 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:24.799 I didn't. Question you went shopping with them at Marshals, 228 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:29.759 didn't you, mister Leopold objection answer I guess you could 229 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:34.279 say that, mister Leopold objection lack of predicate and foundation 230 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:40.080 mischaracterization of earlier testimony, mister Tyne. Question and redacted bought 231 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:43.960 a purse right answer, yes, question, and you were with 232 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.960 her the whole time at Marshall's correct answer yes. Question. 233 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:51.240 Now tell me about when the federal prosecutor has told 234 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:55.000 you about getting reimbursed. Answer, I have no idea what 235 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:58.000 you're talking about. Question Tell me about when the federal 236 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.919 prosecutor spoke to you about getting money you feel your 237 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:05.639 entitled to from mister Epstein. Answer, I don't know what 238 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:08.759 you're talking about. Question do you know who Marie villafana 239 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:12.200 Is Answer no, sir. Question did you ever meet with 240 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:16.039 federal prosecutors? Answer? I think yeah, I think they were. 241 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:19.399 I think they were like FBI. Question uh huh did 242 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:22.799 you meet with federal prosecutors? Answer they came to my 243 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:25.759 house one time? Yes. Question When did they come to 244 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:30.519 your house? Answer very long ago? Question was it this year? 245 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.360 Two thousand and eight? Answer it was not this year? 246 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:37.519 No question was it two thousand and seven? Answer I 247 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:39.360 have to say at least two years ago or a 248 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.720 year ago. Yeah, so it would be two thousand and seven, 249 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:45.360 two thousand and six, it was a while ago. Question 250 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.879 How many federal prosecutors or FBI agents came to your house? 251 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:51.799 Answer I'm trying to remember. I want to say four 252 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:56.759 people came. Question did they give you their business cards? Answer? 253 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:00.639 If they did, I don't remember, and they weren't toward me. 254 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:04.200 Maybe my parents have them. I don't know. Question did 255 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.080 they give you your their cell phone numbers? Answer no? 256 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:10.320 Question did you ever speak with them on their cell phones? 257 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:14.080 Answer no, sir. Question did they speak to your parents? 258 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.799 Answer that's something you'd have to ask my parents. Question 259 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:21.159 do you know whether they spoke to your parents? Answer no, sir, 260 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:26.679 question you have no idea? Answer no, sir. Mister Leopold 261 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.600 objection asked an answered question. So if I say the 262 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:34.240 name to you Marie Vilafauna, you don't know who that is? 263 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:38.879 Answer no, sir. Question How many women and how many 264 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:41.960 men came to your house? Answer I want to say 265 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:45.480 two ladies and two guys. Question Did someone named Jeffrey 266 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:48.879 Slowman come to your house? Answer I don't know name? Sir. 267 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:53.039 Question Do you know who Jeffrey Sloman is? Answer no, sir. 268 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:56.720 Question do you know w Jeffrey Herman is? Answer yes, 269 00:15:57.279 --> 00:16:00.639 question that's the lawyer who first sued ups on your 270 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:05.600 behalf right? Answer yes. Question has mister Herman advanced your 271 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:09.879 family any money? Mister Leopold, any conversations that you had 272 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:13.399 with mister Herman regarding that issue you are not to disclose. 273 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:17.240 If you've learned in some other way or fashion, you 274 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:21.320 may answer the witness okay, I wouldn't know, mister Tyne. 275 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:26.279 Question you don't know Answer no, mister Leopold objection, Foundation 276 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.360 attorney client privilege question and you say you don't know 277 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:34.080 who Jeffrey Sloman is? Answer no, sir. Question does a 278 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.759 refresher recollection that he's the number two prosecutor at the 279 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:43.480 US Attorney's Office. Answer no, question that he's Marie Villafana's boss. 280 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:47.399 Answer no question. Does a refresher memory that he's the 281 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:50.240 ex partner of Jeff Herman, the first lawyer who sued 282 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:54.399 you sued mister Epstein on your behalf for fifty million dollars. 283 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.639 Answer no, sir, I don't know who he is. Question 284 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:01.279 without telling me any conversations that you've had with your lawyers, 285 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:03.960 how is it that you selected mister Herman as your 286 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:07.240 lawyer from the eighty one thousand members of the Florida 287 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:10.640 Bar Answer I did not select them. Question who did? 288 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:14.519 Answer my father? Question did you ever meet mister Herman? 289 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:18.680 Answer once? Question, don't tell me what you discussed with them. 290 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:22.279 Where did you meet him? Answer? I was shopping in 291 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:25.680 he showed up at my friend's house. Question whose house? 292 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:29.519 Answer my friend redacted? Question is that redacted from the 293 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:33.519 quarterdeck tavern? Answer yes? Question and did you have a 294 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:37.039 meeting with them at redacted's house? Answer yes, I guess 295 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.480 you could say that. Question who else was there? Answer 296 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:43.759 my aunt redacted? Question and what was the meeting about? 297 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:49.480 Mister Leopold objection that calls for attorney client privilege. Question 298 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:53.000 what discussions did you have with mister Herman in the 299 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:57.759 presence of her redacted? Answer? None? Question what discussion did 300 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:01.039 you have in the presence of her aunt? Of my aunt? 301 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:06.799 Mister Goldberger pipes in, it's the witness's aunt, mister Tyne. Question, oh, 302 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:09.759 of your aunt? Answer the only one that we've ever 303 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:13.759 discussed or ever had. Question and so you were in 304 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:19.480 a conversation with mister Herman and your aunt. Answer yes, sir, question, 305 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:23.680 and you discuss privileged matters during that conversation. Mister Leopold 306 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:27.000 objects once again object to the form. I think you 307 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:29.920 might have to educate her on the question. Mister Tyne, 308 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:33.920 you discussed the lawsuit? Answer yes. Question did you tell 309 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:39.119 redacted about any conversations that you had with mister Herman? Answer? 310 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:42.319 As far as I'm concerned, she's never spoken or she's 311 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:45.319 never had a conversation. She only opened the door and 312 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.559 then left. She's the one who answered the door. Question 313 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:51.839 why did the meeting take place at redacted's house? Answer? 314 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:54.759 I spent the night that night at her house. Question 315 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:58.359 and when was this? Answer a while ago? Question? How 316 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.279 long ago? Answer? A month and a half ago. I'm 317 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:06.519 guessing question a month and a half ago? Answer? Uh huh. Question, 318 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.759 So was it before or after mister Hermann filed the 319 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:14.599 fifty million dollar lawsuit against mister Epstein? Answer after question 320 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:18.240 did you meet with an FBI agent named Nesbit Kirkandall 321 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.759 a woman? Answer I don't know. Question did miss Kirkandall 322 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:26.799 speak to you about getting reimbursed from mister Epstein? Answer? 323 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.119 I never had a discussion with anyone about getting reimbursed 324 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.519 from mister Epstein? Question? Have you met with an agent 325 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:37.880 named Jason Richards? Answer not to my knowledge? Question how 326 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.640 about an agent named Tim Slater? Answer no, sir, question 327 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:46.720 how about an agent named Junior Ortiz? Answer no question. 328 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.160 And we've learned that many of the girls, some of 329 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:51.640 whom are as old as twenty three, were told by 330 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:53.640 the government that they would get money at the end 331 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:56.640 of the criminal prosecution. Does that sound familiar to you? 332 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:01.759 Answer no, sir. Question Other than mister Leopold here, I'm 333 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:05.440 not asking about mister Herman either. Answer uh huh. Question 334 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:07.839 did anyone ever discuss with you that you could get 335 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:13.039 reimbursement for your damages? Answer no, sir. Question did you 336 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:16.880 or any member to that. He's interrupted, mister Leopold, are 337 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:19.359 you referring to a criminal matter or a civil matter? 338 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:24.359 Mister Tyne? Question did you or any member again interrupted 339 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:27.279 by Leopold. Excuse me, let me object to the form 340 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:31.240 of the question. Mister Tyne, did you or any member 341 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:35.599 of your family ever get victims notification letters from anyone? Answer? 342 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:39.440 I no longer live at that residence and I wouldn't know. Question. 343 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:42.920 So your testimony is that you have never received a 344 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:48.279 victim notification letter. Correct question. And your testimony is that 345 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:51.119 you don't know if your parents have ever received a 346 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:56.279 victim notification letter? Correct answer. Correct question. Have you given 347 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:59.880 evidence to prosecutors or law enforcement in the case? Answer? 348 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:02.920 What do you mean by evidence? Question? Well, anything that 349 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:07.319 you can touch or feel. Answer no, Mister Leopold, objection 350 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.400 to the form of the question. Mister Tyne, So you 351 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:14.720 haven't given anything physical? Answer no, question any item to 352 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:18.920 the prosecutor, police officer, or law enforcement agent. Correct answer 353 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:21.359 my cell phone four years ago or three years ago. 354 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.880 But that's it. Question you gave your cell phone to whom? 355 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:29.039 Answer Michelle Pagan? Question did she keep it? Answer? Ask her? 356 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:32.200 Question you gave it to her and then you didn't 357 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:34.400 get it back at the end of the meeting. Answer no, 358 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.880 they yeah, No they have it. I'm guessing I don't 359 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.680 have it. Question how much money are you hoping to 360 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:44.240 get out of mister Epstein. Mister Leopold objection to the 361 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:48.759 form of the question Attorney client privilege. Mister Tyne, how 362 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:51.440 much money are you hoping to get you yourself hoping 363 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:55.680 to get out of mister Epstein. Mister Leopold, same objection, 364 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:59.680 attorney client privilege. Don't answer the question. Question I'm not 365 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:02.640 asking asking about what your lawyer told you, mister Leopold. 366 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:05.680 I'm instructing her not to answer the question because of 367 00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:11.480 those conversations involve her counsel. Mister Tyne, certify that mister Leopold, 368 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:15.519 please question now redacted. You lied to get out of 369 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:19.680 this deposition, didn't you answer? No, sir, question You didn't 370 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:21.640 want to come to court today and tell the story 371 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:23.920 that you told to the police under oath, did you, 372 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:27.759 Mister Leopold object to the form of the question lack 373 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:31.240 of foundation and predicate the witness. No, I have no 374 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:34.519 problem coming here and talking to you, mister Tyne, and 375 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:37.359 to avoid getting served with a lawful subpoena. You lied 376 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.559 about your name, didn't you answer? No? Question? And in fact, 377 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:46.200 just lying yourself wasn't enough, was it, mister Leopold. Objection 378 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:48.720 to the form of the question. Don't answer it. It's 379 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:51.720 not a question. Object to the form of the question, 380 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:55.279 lack of foundation. Mister Tyne. Are you instructing her not 381 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:58.839 to answer? Mister Leopold, I am, mister Tyne. Certify it, 382 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:04.160 mister Leopold. Please. Question you asked your coworkers, Mister Leopold. 383 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:08.839 It's vague and ambiguous, mister Tyne. Question you asked your 384 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:12.039 coworkers at the Quarterdeck tavern to lie to you? Didn't 385 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:15.440 you answer? No? I inform my boss about what was 386 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:17.440 going on, and he told me that he would help 387 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.440 in any way that he can. Question. Okay, you got 388 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:23.720 your friend redacted to lie by switching name tags with you. 389 00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:27.440 Correct answer, incorrect. It was a coincidence. At the same night, 390 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:30.039 she was not wearing her name tag. She was wearing mine. 391 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:32.640 But I was also not wearing I was wearing my 392 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:36.160 name tag. Everyone switches name tags, it just happens. It 393 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:38.839 was a coincidence. At that same night the people came 394 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.160 with the papers. Mister Tyne, Will you put up Exhibit 395 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:46.799 eighteen dash zero zero one, mister Goldberger, and mark eighteen 396 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:52.519 zero zero one for identification purposes to this deposition, Mister Leopold, 397 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:54.759 none of them have been marked yet. Can we mark 398 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:57.559 them and put them as attachments to the deposition? Because 399 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.359 I think you've shown three photos now and this is 400 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:02.960 the only one that has been marked for identification yet. 401 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:06.359