Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right
Speaker 1: back to the deposition given by Jane Doe down in
Speaker 1: Florida in two thousand and eight, and once again, mister
Speaker 1: Tyne is asking the questions and Jane Doe is doing
Speaker 1: the answering. Question. Mister Tyne, let me ask you a
Speaker 1: few questions about your contact with Jeffrey Epstein. Okay, answer
Speaker 1: witness nods, head up and down. Question. Jeff never emailed you,
Speaker 1: diddy answer no question. Jeff never text messaged you. Did
Speaker 1: he answer no question? Jeff never chatted in a chat
Speaker 1: room with you? Did he answer no question? Before you
Speaker 1: got to Epstein's house, you had never spoken to Jeff.
Speaker 1: Had you answer no question? And before you got to
Speaker 1: Epstein's house, you had never met Jeff Answer correct question.
Speaker 1: Before you got to Ebstein's house, you had never told
Speaker 1: Jeff you were under eighteen right? Answer no question. Before
Speaker 1: you got to Epstein's house, had you ever told Jeffrey
Speaker 1: that you were under eighteen? Answer no. I never spoke
Speaker 1: to the man before that question. And you only went
Speaker 1: to Jeff Epstein's house that one time three years ago,
Speaker 1: correct answer yes. Question you never went there again? Correct
Speaker 1: answer no question. All right, let me ask you two
Speaker 1: final areas of questioning about this and we'll move on
Speaker 1: to something else. Okay, answer uh huh. Yes. Question before
Speaker 1: you got to Epstein's, did anyone associated with Epstein ever
Speaker 1: call you on the phone and try to persuade you,
Speaker 1: induce you, entice you, or coerce you to engage in
Speaker 1: any sexual activity? Answer no. Question Before you got to Epstein's,
Speaker 1: did anybody associated with Epstein ever contact you on the
Speaker 1: internet and try to persuade, induce, entice, or coerce you
Speaker 1: to engage in sexual activity? Answer no question or redacted?
Speaker 1: Who told you that when you got to Jeff Epstein's
Speaker 1: house you should lie to Jeff about your age? Answer redacted?
Speaker 1: Question was it redacted? Or was it the other girl
Speaker 1: in the car who rode over with you to Epstein's house?
Speaker 1: Answer redacted? Question Who was the other girl in the
Speaker 1: car with you that day? Answer? I honestly don't know.
Speaker 1: Question had you ever seen her before? Answer no, sir.
Speaker 1: Question you told the police that you wrote over at
Speaker 1: Epstein's You had no idea who she was? Right answer
Speaker 1: correct question you told the police that you didn't know
Speaker 1: her name, but she was really dark, kind of like
Speaker 1: a Spanish girl. Answer yes question, those were your words.
Speaker 1: Right answer, yes question. Do you know who she is?
Speaker 1: Answer no, sir question. So it was redacted who told
Speaker 1: you to lie about your age to Jeff Epstein. Answer yes,
Speaker 1: sir question. And redacted told you that if you weren't eighteen,
Speaker 1: Epstein wouldn't let you into his house. Right answer, that's
Speaker 1: she stumbles a bit. Yes, yes question. All right, let's
Speaker 1: talk for a minute about when you first met Jeff. Okay,
Speaker 1: answer sure question. When you first met Jeff, he tried
Speaker 1: to find out how old you were? Right answer, excuse me? Question,
Speaker 1: when you first met Jeff, he tried to find out
Speaker 1: how old you were? Right answer not when we were
Speaker 1: first introduced to each other, when we get upstairs. Then
Speaker 1: yes question. During the massage, Jeff asked how old you
Speaker 1: were a correct answer, yes question. Now, hadn't you already
Speaker 1: told Jeff's assistant, the one who walked you upstairs, that
Speaker 1: you went to college and had just moved down here
Speaker 1: from Ohio? Answer I never spoke to the lady. Question
Speaker 1: do you want to rethink that? Answer to this mister,
Speaker 1: Leopold objects. Is that a question, mister Tyne answers do
Speaker 1: you want to rethink that? Answer? Answer? No, I didn't
Speaker 1: really speak with her that much. Question do you want
Speaker 1: to try to refresh your memory on that? Mister Leopold objects?
Speaker 1: Once again? Do you have something to refresh your memory with?
Speaker 1: Mister Tyne? Do you want to stop making speak objections
Speaker 1: mister Leopold. No, But to refresh someone's memory, you show
Speaker 1: them a document, mister Tyne. I know how to do this,
Speaker 1: mister Leopold. Then show her the document, mister Tyne, stop speaking,
Speaker 1: mister Leopold. I'm not going to stop speaking. I'm going
Speaker 1: to continue to make the record. Mister Tyne. You're obstructing.
Speaker 1: Please stop, mister Leopold. I'm not obstructing, But if you
Speaker 1: want to refresh your recollection, you need to show her something.
Speaker 1: That's not a proper question. I object to the foundation
Speaker 1: and the predicate of that question, mister Tyne. Are you done,
Speaker 1: mister Leopold? I am now, thank you, mister Tyne. Question,
Speaker 1: do you want to try to refresh your memory as
Speaker 1: to whether you had that conversation with a woman who
Speaker 1: walked you upstairs in Epstein's house in which you told
Speaker 1: her that you went to college and just moved down
Speaker 1: from Ohio. Mister Leopold objection, object to the form of
Speaker 1: the question, lack of foundation and the predicate. Mister Tyne,
Speaker 1: you can answer that question. Answer sure. Question is there
Speaker 1: anything that would refresh her memory that, in fact you
Speaker 1: told mister Epstein's assistant, the one who walked you upstairs,
Speaker 1: that you went to college and you had just moved
Speaker 1: down here from Ohio. Answer I don't remember saying that.
Speaker 1: I don't remember saying that myself. So question that would
Speaker 1: be a lie right Answer No, I really don't remember.
Speaker 1: Question So you told Jeff that you were eighteen years old?
Speaker 1: Correct answer yes. Question do you remember Detective Michelle Pagan
Speaker 1: of the Police Department, Palm Beach Police Department. Answer yes,
Speaker 1: Do you remember you spoke to her? Question? Answer yes.
Speaker 1: Question do you remember that you told Detective Pagan that
Speaker 1: when you lied about your age to Jeff, you said
Speaker 1: it really fast because you didn't want to make it
Speaker 1: sound like you were lying. Answer I don't remember the
Speaker 1: words exactly, but I do remember telling her that I
Speaker 1: told him I was eighteen. Question and do you remember
Speaker 1: telling Detective Pagan that when you lied to Epstein about
Speaker 1: your age, that you said it really fast, so Epstein
Speaker 1: wouldn't realize you were lying. Answer, No, I don't remember
Speaker 1: saying the words exactly to her. I remember telling her
Speaker 1: that I told Epstein I was eighteen. Question does it
Speaker 1: sound right that you really told Detective Pegan that you
Speaker 1: said your age really fast to Epstein? And to this
Speaker 1: the prosecutor finally interjects, Miss Bellahovlik objection asked an answered,
Speaker 1: mister Tyne. Question, so you wouldn't think that you were lying,
Speaker 1: mister Leopold. Now objects objection asked an answered, fact of
Speaker 1: foundation mischaracterization of her earlier testimony. She already answered that question,
Speaker 1: mister Tyne. You can answer it, Mister Leopold, same objection.
Speaker 1: It's been asked and answered. You can answer. I've made
Speaker 1: the objection the witness. I forgot the question now, mister Tyne, question,
Speaker 1: let me put it again. Does it sound right to
Speaker 1: you that you told Detective Pagan that you lied about
Speaker 1: your age to Jeffrey Epstein? You said it really fast
Speaker 1: because you didn't want to make it sound like you
Speaker 1: were lying, mister Leopold. Objection, lack of foundation, asked, An answered,
Speaker 1: answer the witness, I could have possibly said that, yes question.
Speaker 1: You didn't want mister Epstein to know that you were
Speaker 1: lying about trade. Right answer, correct question. You didn't want
Speaker 1: mister Epstein to know that you were not eighteen Right
Speaker 1: answer correct question. You wanted mister Epstein to believe that
Speaker 1: you were really eighteen Right answer correct question. Do you
Speaker 1: remember when mister Epstein asked where you went to school?
Speaker 1: Answer yes question, and you told mister Epstein you went
Speaker 1: to Wellington right answer, yes question. Was that the truth answer?
Speaker 1: No question? In fact, you went to Royal Palm right answer,
Speaker 1: yes question. So you lied to mister Epstein again, correct answer,
Speaker 1: yes question. Is Wellington the college that you told Jeff's
Speaker 1: assistant that you were attending? Answer? I don't remember having
Speaker 1: that conversation with her, so I wouldn't know if that's
Speaker 1: what I said. Question. That was a lie, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Mister Leopold, objection to the form of the question. Lack
Speaker 1: of foundation. You're making an assumption. She just answered you.
Speaker 1: She can't tell you that, mister Tyne speaking objection and
Speaker 1: you all know that, mister Leopold. Mister Leopold, she can't
Speaker 1: answer your question the way you phrase that question, you're
Speaker 1: purposely making her not be honest in her testimony. She
Speaker 1: can't answer a question like that. She doesn't remember, so
Speaker 1: then you say so, you're lying. That's improper and you
Speaker 1: know that that's not a proper question. And any attorney
Speaker 1: that would do a witness or do a person that's
Speaker 1: sitting in this chair is not acting professionally. You can't
Speaker 1: ask a question like that. You can do it, but
Speaker 1: it's not proper and I'm sure you aren't trained that way,
Speaker 1: certainly not ethically. Mister Tyne. Will you stop, mister Leopold,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop because the way you're asking
Speaker 1: that question is improper and you know it, mister Tyne.
Speaker 1: You're losing your cool, mister Tyne, question misredacted, mister leopl
Speaker 1: Trust me, I'm very calm. When I lose my cool.
Speaker 1: You'll know it, mister Tyne. I do know it. Again,
Speaker 1: mister Tyne, asked a question, mister dacted. Mister Epstein never
Speaker 1: asked you to do anything other than massage them correct
Speaker 1: answer incorrect because he asked me to take off my
Speaker 1: bra so that would be two things he's asked me
Speaker 1: to do. Question other than asking you to take off
Speaker 1: your bra. Mister Epstein never asked you to do anything
Speaker 1: with them other than massage. Correct, mister Leopold objection foundation
Speaker 1: predicate the witness. Correct, mister Tyne. Question you told the
Speaker 1: police in your words that you did not whack them off?
Speaker 1: Right answer correct question? What does that mean? Answer whack
Speaker 1: like whacking off? Question your term? What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Answer of masturbating? Question? Mister Epstein never tried at any
Speaker 1: time to grab your hand? Did he? Answer no question?
Speaker 1: Mister Epstein never tried to put your hand anywhere? Did
Speaker 1: he answer no question? At no time did you touch
Speaker 1: mister Epstein' penis? Did you answer no question? And he
Speaker 1: did not touch you? Correct answer incorrect question, Well, you
Speaker 1: told the police at no time did he touch me?
Speaker 1: Were you lying to the police then? Answer no, Well
Speaker 1: I wasn't being fully truthful, but I wasn't lying. Question
Speaker 1: You told the police twice when you spoke to Michelle
Speaker 1: Pegan that at no time did he touch me? Didn't
Speaker 1: you say that to the police? Answer yeah, question and
Speaker 1: you're saying that was not fully truthful? Is that what
Speaker 1: you're saying now? Answer correct question, and you're saying if
Speaker 1: you're not fully truthful. That's not a lie. Correct answer.
Speaker 1: You took that out of context, like really bad. I
Speaker 1: didn't mean that touching my legs. And he never kept
Speaker 1: his hands to himself the entire time. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say. Question you told the police at no
Speaker 1: time did he touch me? You agree with that? Correct answer? No,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that, because he did touch me.
Speaker 1: Question did you tell the police that he did not
Speaker 1: touch you? Yes or no answer. It's a possibility, but
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Question Okay. And you did not have
Speaker 1: any type of sex with Jeff correct answer, no question.
Speaker 1: And you did not have any type of oral sex
Speaker 1: with Jeff. Correct answer, no question, no type of intercourse
Speaker 1: with Jeff. Correct answer, correct question. All right, let's talk
Speaker 1: about what happened after the massage was over. All right, folks,
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up right there, and in the next episode,
Speaker 1: we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
Speaker 1: in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
Speaker 1: another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
Speaker 1: getting right back to Jane Doe two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: and her deposition in Florida against Jeffrey Epstein, and we
Speaker 1: left off in the last episode with all right, let's
Speaker 1: talk about what happened after the massage was over. Answer okay, question,
Speaker 1: After the massage, you told Epstein that you wanted to
Speaker 1: bring your twin sister back so you can make some money.
Speaker 1: Correct answer, incorrect question. Your twin sister is redacted? Right
Speaker 1: answer correct question. And you love your sister very much,
Speaker 1: don't you answer yes? Question? And when you left your house,
Speaker 1: you were joking with the other girls, weren't you answer
Speaker 1: incorrect question? Well, when Redacted and the other girl in
Speaker 1: the car that day made their statements to police, they
Speaker 1: told the police that you were joking afterward. Are you
Speaker 1: saying that you were lying to the police about that? Answer? No,
Speaker 1: but a question or questions from redacted, Like she asked
Speaker 1: me questions, But it wasn't joking. She was kind of
Speaker 1: like in a happy way, like, oh, what did you do?
Speaker 1: What did you do? Like those kinds of things, But
Speaker 1: it wasn't joking about it at all. Question you joked
Speaker 1: about it, didn't you answer? No? Question? You said to
Speaker 1: redacted that if you did this every weekend, you'd be rich.
Speaker 1: Didn't you answer no, that's what redacted told me. Question
Speaker 1: you didn't tell that to redacted? Mister Leopold objects objection
Speaker 1: asked an answered answer no. Question. After you left Epstein's house,
Speaker 1: you took the money and you went shopping with redacted
Speaker 1: and the other girl in the car. Correct answer correct,
Speaker 1: I didn't spend any of the money. Question you went
Speaker 1: to Marshals, didn't you? Answer? I went along, Yes, but
Speaker 1: I didn't. Question you went shopping with them at Marshals,
Speaker 1: didn't you, mister Leopold objection answer I guess you could
Speaker 1: say that, mister Leopold objection lack of predicate and foundation
Speaker 1: mischaracterization of earlier testimony, mister Tyne. Question and redacted bought
Speaker 1: a purse right answer, yes, question, and you were with
Speaker 1: her the whole time at Marshall's correct answer yes. Question.
Speaker 1: Now tell me about when the federal prosecutor has told
Speaker 1: you about getting reimbursed. Answer, I have no idea what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Question Tell me about when the federal
Speaker 1: prosecutor spoke to you about getting money you feel your
Speaker 1: entitled to from mister Epstein. Answer, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Question do you know who Marie villafana
Speaker 1: Is Answer no, sir. Question did you ever meet with
Speaker 1: federal prosecutors? Answer? I think yeah, I think they were.
Speaker 1: I think they were like FBI. Question uh huh did
Speaker 1: you meet with federal prosecutors? Answer they came to my
Speaker 1: house one time? Yes. Question When did they come to
Speaker 1: your house? Answer very long ago? Question was it this year?
Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight? Answer it was not this year?
Speaker 1: No question was it two thousand and seven? Answer I
Speaker 1: have to say at least two years ago or a
Speaker 1: year ago. Yeah, so it would be two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, it was a while ago. Question
Speaker 1: How many federal prosecutors or FBI agents came to your house?
Speaker 1: Answer I'm trying to remember. I want to say four
Speaker 1: people came. Question did they give you their business cards? Answer?
Speaker 1: If they did, I don't remember, and they weren't toward me.
Speaker 1: Maybe my parents have them. I don't know. Question did
Speaker 1: they give you your their cell phone numbers? Answer no?
Speaker 1: Question did you ever speak with them on their cell phones?
Speaker 1: Answer no, sir. Question did they speak to your parents?
Speaker 1: Answer that's something you'd have to ask my parents. Question
Speaker 1: do you know whether they spoke to your parents? Answer no, sir,
Speaker 1: question you have no idea? Answer no, sir. Mister Leopold
Speaker 1: objection asked an answered question. So if I say the
Speaker 1: name to you Marie Vilafauna, you don't know who that is?
Speaker 1: Answer no, sir. Question How many women and how many
Speaker 1: men came to your house? Answer I want to say
Speaker 1: two ladies and two guys. Question Did someone named Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Slowman come to your house? Answer I don't know name? Sir.
Speaker 1: Question Do you know who Jeffrey Sloman is? Answer no, sir.
Speaker 1: Question do you know w Jeffrey Herman is? Answer yes,
Speaker 1: question that's the lawyer who first sued ups on your
Speaker 1: behalf right? Answer yes. Question has mister Herman advanced your
Speaker 1: family any money? Mister Leopold, any conversations that you had
Speaker 1: with mister Herman regarding that issue you are not to disclose.
Speaker 1: If you've learned in some other way or fashion, you
Speaker 1: may answer the witness okay, I wouldn't know, mister Tyne.
Speaker 1: Question you don't know Answer no, mister Leopold objection, Foundation
Speaker 1: attorney client privilege question and you say you don't know
Speaker 1: who Jeffrey Sloman is? Answer no, sir. Question does a
Speaker 1: refresher recollection that he's the number two prosecutor at the
Speaker 1: US Attorney's Office. Answer no, question that he's Marie Villafana's boss.
Speaker 1: Answer no question. Does a refresher memory that he's the
Speaker 1: ex partner of Jeff Herman, the first lawyer who sued
Speaker 1: you sued mister Epstein on your behalf for fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1: Answer no, sir, I don't know who he is. Question
Speaker 1: without telling me any conversations that you've had with your lawyers,
Speaker 1: how is it that you selected mister Herman as your
Speaker 1: lawyer from the eighty one thousand members of the Florida
Speaker 1: Bar Answer I did not select them. Question who did?
Speaker 1: Answer my father? Question did you ever meet mister Herman?
Speaker 1: Answer once? Question, don't tell me what you discussed with them.
Speaker 1: Where did you meet him? Answer? I was shopping in
Speaker 1: he showed up at my friend's house. Question whose house?
Speaker 1: Answer my friend redacted? Question is that redacted from the
Speaker 1: quarterdeck tavern? Answer yes? Question and did you have a
Speaker 1: meeting with them at redacted's house? Answer yes, I guess
Speaker 1: you could say that. Question who else was there? Answer
Speaker 1: my aunt redacted? Question and what was the meeting about?
Speaker 1: Mister Leopold objection that calls for attorney client privilege. Question
Speaker 1: what discussions did you have with mister Herman in the
Speaker 1: presence of her redacted? Answer? None? Question what discussion did
Speaker 1: you have in the presence of her aunt? Of my aunt?
Speaker 1: Mister Goldberger pipes in, it's the witness's aunt, mister Tyne. Question, oh,
Speaker 1: of your aunt? Answer the only one that we've ever
Speaker 1: discussed or ever had. Question and so you were in
Speaker 1: a conversation with mister Herman and your aunt. Answer yes, sir, question,
Speaker 1: and you discuss privileged matters during that conversation. Mister Leopold
Speaker 1: objects once again object to the form. I think you
Speaker 1: might have to educate her on the question. Mister Tyne,
Speaker 1: you discussed the lawsuit? Answer yes. Question did you tell
Speaker 1: redacted about any conversations that you had with mister Herman? Answer?
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, she's never spoken or she's
Speaker 1: never had a conversation. She only opened the door and
Speaker 1: then left. She's the one who answered the door. Question
Speaker 1: why did the meeting take place at redacted's house? Answer?
Speaker 1: I spent the night that night at her house. Question
Speaker 1: and when was this? Answer a while ago? Question? How
Speaker 1: long ago? Answer? A month and a half ago. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing question a month and a half ago? Answer? Uh huh. Question,
Speaker 1: So was it before or after mister Hermann filed the
Speaker 1: fifty million dollar lawsuit against mister Epstein? Answer after question
Speaker 1: did you meet with an FBI agent named Nesbit Kirkandall
Speaker 1: a woman? Answer I don't know. Question did miss Kirkandall
Speaker 1: speak to you about getting reimbursed from mister Epstein? Answer?
Speaker 1: I never had a discussion with anyone about getting reimbursed
Speaker 1: from mister Epstein? Question? Have you met with an agent
Speaker 1: named Jason Richards? Answer not to my knowledge? Question how
Speaker 1: about an agent named Tim Slater? Answer no, sir, question
Speaker 1: how about an agent named Junior Ortiz? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: And we've learned that many of the girls, some of
Speaker 1: whom are as old as twenty three, were told by
Speaker 1: the government that they would get money at the end
Speaker 1: of the criminal prosecution. Does that sound familiar to you?
Speaker 1: Answer no, sir. Question Other than mister Leopold here, I'm
Speaker 1: not asking about mister Herman either. Answer uh huh. Question
Speaker 1: did anyone ever discuss with you that you could get
Speaker 1: reimbursement for your damages? Answer no, sir. Question did you
Speaker 1: or any member to that. He's interrupted, mister Leopold, are
Speaker 1: you referring to a criminal matter or a civil matter?
Speaker 1: Mister Tyne? Question did you or any member again interrupted
Speaker 1: by Leopold. Excuse me, let me object to the form
Speaker 1: of the question. Mister Tyne, did you or any member
Speaker 1: of your family ever get victims notification letters from anyone? Answer?
Speaker 1: I no longer live at that residence and I wouldn't know. Question.
Speaker 1: So your testimony is that you have never received a
Speaker 1: victim notification letter. Correct question. And your testimony is that
Speaker 1: you don't know if your parents have ever received a
Speaker 1: victim notification letter? Correct answer. Correct question. Have you given
Speaker 1: evidence to prosecutors or law enforcement in the case? Answer?
Speaker 1: What do you mean by evidence? Question? Well, anything that
Speaker 1: you can touch or feel. Answer no, Mister Leopold, objection
Speaker 1: to the form of the question. Mister Tyne, So you
Speaker 1: haven't given anything physical? Answer no, question any item to
Speaker 1: the prosecutor, police officer, or law enforcement agent. Correct answer
Speaker 1: my cell phone four years ago or three years ago.
Speaker 1: But that's it. Question you gave your cell phone to whom?
Speaker 1: Answer Michelle Pagan? Question did she keep it? Answer? Ask her?
Speaker 1: Question you gave it to her and then you didn't
Speaker 1: get it back at the end of the meeting. Answer no,
Speaker 1: they yeah, No they have it. I'm guessing I don't
Speaker 1: have it. Question how much money are you hoping to
Speaker 1: get out of mister Epstein. Mister Leopold objection to the
Speaker 1: form of the question Attorney client privilege. Mister Tyne, how
Speaker 1: much money are you hoping to get you yourself hoping
Speaker 1: to get out of mister Epstein. Mister Leopold, same objection,
Speaker 1: attorney client privilege. Don't answer the question. Question I'm not
Speaker 1: asking asking about what your lawyer told you, mister Leopold.
Speaker 1: I'm instructing her not to answer the question because of
Speaker 1: those conversations involve her counsel. Mister Tyne, certify that mister Leopold,
Speaker 1: please question now redacted. You lied to get out of
Speaker 1: this deposition, didn't you answer? No, sir, question You didn't
Speaker 1: want to come to court today and tell the story
Speaker 1: that you told to the police under oath, did you,
Speaker 1: Mister Leopold object to the form of the question lack
Speaker 1: of foundation and predicate the witness. No, I have no
Speaker 1: problem coming here and talking to you, mister Tyne, and
Speaker 1: to avoid getting served with a lawful subpoena. You lied
Speaker 1: about your name, didn't you answer? No? Question? And in fact,
Speaker 1: just lying yourself wasn't enough, was it, mister Leopold. Objection
Speaker 1: to the form of the question. Don't answer it. It's
Speaker 1: not a question. Object to the form of the question,
Speaker 1: lack of foundation. Mister Tyne. Are you instructing her not
Speaker 1: to answer? Mister Leopold, I am, mister Tyne. Certify it,
Speaker 1: mister Leopold. Please. Question you asked your coworkers, Mister Leopold.
Speaker 1: It's vague and ambiguous, mister Tyne. Question you asked your
Speaker 1: coworkers at the Quarterdeck tavern to lie to you? Didn't
Speaker 1: you answer? No? I inform my boss about what was
Speaker 1: going on, and he told me that he would help
Speaker 1: in any way that he can. Question. Okay, you got
Speaker 1: your friend redacted to lie by switching name tags with you.
Speaker 1: Correct answer, incorrect. It was a coincidence. At the same night,
Speaker 1: she was not wearing her name tag. She was wearing mine.
Speaker 1: But I was also not wearing I was wearing my
Speaker 1: name tag. Everyone switches name tags, it just happens. It
Speaker 1: was a coincidence. At that same night the people came
Speaker 1: with the papers. Mister Tyne, Will you put up Exhibit
Speaker 1: eighteen dash zero zero one, mister Goldberger, and mark eighteen
Speaker 1: zero zero one for identification purposes to this deposition, Mister Leopold,
Speaker 1: none of them have been marked yet. Can we mark
Speaker 1: them and put them as attachments to the deposition? Because
Speaker 1: I think you've shown three photos now and this is
Speaker 1: the only one that has been marked for identification yet.
Speaker 1: Hold on just a second, just so the record is clear,
Speaker 1: mister Tyne, I am not speaking to you, mister Leopold. Okay,
Speaker 1: then don't speak to me then, but I'll speak to
Speaker 1: mister Goldberger perhaps, but at least for the record, can
Speaker 1: we put on the record that the previous two photographs
Speaker 1: were marked for identification? Mister Goldberger will make sure that
Speaker 1: the record is clear at the end of the deposition
Speaker 1: so that there's no ambiguity. Mister Leopold, Thank you. All right, folks,
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up right here and in the next
Speaker 1: episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
Speaker 1: we left off. All of the information that goes with
Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
Speaker 1: this episode. We're going to get right back to two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. Jane Doe and the deposition in Florida,
Speaker 1: and the questions are being asked by mister Tyne. Jane
Speaker 1: Doe is the one answering the questions. Question, I've put
Speaker 1: a photograph marked eighteen dash zero zero one up on
Speaker 1: the screen. Do you see that? Answer? Yep. Question who
Speaker 1: is that in the photo? Answer redacted on the left
Speaker 1: of me on the right question redacted, right answer, yes
Speaker 1: question redacted your friend at the quarterdeck tavern, right answer, yes,
Speaker 1: question redacted your friend who you say? The day that
Speaker 1: the process servers went to serve you with a subpoena
Speaker 1: for this deposition just happened, just by coincidence, was wearing
Speaker 1: your name tag answer yes, sir, question and just by
Speaker 1: coincidence you were wearing her name tag. Correct answer, yes. Question.
Speaker 1: You're a testimony under oath? Is that that's just a coincidence?
Speaker 1: Right answer, total honesty. Question. It just happens to be
Speaker 1: the day that you were going to be served with
Speaker 1: a subpoena. Correct answer. That wasn't the first day that
Speaker 1: to this Mister Leopold objects once again, just answer the question.
Speaker 1: It calls for a yes or no the witness. Yes,
Speaker 1: mister Tyne, question, you said that wasn't the first day
Speaker 1: you were going to be You thought you were being
Speaker 1: served with a subpoena. Correct answer, correct question. You knew
Speaker 1: before that day that you switched name tags with redacted,
Speaker 1: that the process servers were looking for you, didn't you answer? No?
Speaker 1: I knew to that. She's cut off by mister Leopold.
Speaker 1: Just answer it. It calls for a yes or no
Speaker 1: the witness. Okay, no, mister Tyne. Question. Now you can
Speaker 1: explain the answer that your counsel will stop you from explaining. Answer. Okay,
Speaker 1: I work at Quarterdeck and people were telling me that
Speaker 1: people were looking for me. So yes, I was aware
Speaker 1: that people were searching for me, but I had no
Speaker 1: idea who they were or what their intentions were. But
Speaker 1: I thought they were just people I didn't want to
Speaker 1: talk to. So I just didn't want to talk to them.
Speaker 1: And every time they'd come to work, I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: And it so happens the night that they came, me
Speaker 1: and my friend switch name tags. No big deal. Question.
Speaker 1: That's a lie, isn't it, mister Leopold objection, Don't answer
Speaker 1: that question. That's harassment, and I will not allow it.
Speaker 1: He could ask the question and will allow a jerry
Speaker 1: to make that determination, but not counsel. I will not
Speaker 1: allow her to answer that question. Mister Tyne, certify it, Leopold,
Speaker 1: I'll certify it. Mister Tyne. Stop making speaking objections, Leopold,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not going to put up with it
Speaker 1: because it's inappropriate, Jack, and you know it. I will
Speaker 1: not allow counsel to breid a witness, whether it's in
Speaker 1: a criminal case or a civil case, whether my client
Speaker 1: or to that. He's once again interrupted by mister Tyne.
Speaker 1: Calm down, mister Leopold, excuse me, No, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to allow it. That is not proper. Mister Goldberger. Okay,
Speaker 1: mister Leopold. If he wants to say that she's lying
Speaker 1: after asking it five times and are explaining in great
Speaker 1: dal tell, he can do that, but I'm not going
Speaker 1: to allow her to answer nor be arassed by him.
Speaker 1: It's improper. Mister Goldberger. Okay, but your response that council
Speaker 1: doesn't like the question or it doesn't like the answer,
Speaker 1: just let me finish, mister Leopold. Absolutely, I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to interrupt you, Mister Goldberger, just requires us to say
Speaker 1: we like the answer to that question. And it's not
Speaker 1: you or I or you and mister Tyne who are
Speaker 1: testifying here, it's the witness, mister Leopold. Fine, but after
Speaker 1: the sixth time of asking the same question and then
Speaker 1: coming back and pointing a finger at her and saying
Speaker 1: you're a liar, mister Tyne, that didn't happen, mister Leopold.
Speaker 1: That's fine, But I'm not going to allow her to
Speaker 1: answer that question because she's answered the same question and
Speaker 1: has explained it. Now. Counsel might be sitting there rubbing
Speaker 1: his head with a migraine. That's his problem. But if
Speaker 1: he can't ask a question appropriately in a professional manner,
Speaker 1: we will leave. I will not allow her to be
Speaker 1: berated like that, mister Goldberger. Actually, we're very happy with
Speaker 1: the answer, mister Leopold. That's great, mister Goldberger. Do you
Speaker 1: want us to get into that, mister Tyne, Ted Leopold,
Speaker 1: this is really big stuff that you're going through. But
Speaker 1: that's fine. Just ask your question and move on, but
Speaker 1: do it one time. If you don't understand it, I'll
Speaker 1: let you follow up, but I'm not going to allow
Speaker 1: you to ask the same question time and time again
Speaker 1: and then call her a liar. Just ask the question,
Speaker 1: get the answer, and move to the next subject matter.
Speaker 1: Mister Tyne, I'm sitting right across the table from you, Leopold. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: mister Tyne, please be quiet and don't yell, mister Leopold.
Speaker 1: I will not be quiet, mister Tyne. Stop yelling, mister Leopold. Lewis.
Speaker 1: When I'm yelling, you'll know it. I will not, mister
Speaker 1: Tyne interrupts him. My name is not Lewis, mister Leopold.
Speaker 1: I thought your first name was Lewis. Mister Tyne. Mister Tyne,
Speaker 1: you watch me for three days at the Evidentiary hearing,
Speaker 1: where you sat in the back of the courtroom. You
Speaker 1: should know who I am. Mister Leopold. Well, that's the
Speaker 1: impression you must have made in the court room. I
Speaker 1: will not be quiet, mister Tyne. That's obnoxious. Stop being obnoxious.
Speaker 1: It's stupid. Let's go ahead with the questioning, mister Leopold.
Speaker 1: I will make the record, mister Tyne. Let's get on
Speaker 1: with the questions. Mister Leopold, do you need a break? Thereupon,
Speaker 1: a recess was taken mister Tyne after the recess, asking
Speaker 1: the questions again. Okay, redacted, after you told your manager
Speaker 1: at the quarter Deck tavern everything that was going on,
Speaker 1: and he told you he would help you in any
Speaker 1: way he could. He hid you in the kitchen from
Speaker 1: the process servers. Correct answer, incorrect question. Isn't it true
Speaker 1: that lying to avoid service is a meaningless lie to you? Redacted? Answer?
Speaker 1: Incorrect question? What is your manager's name? Answer? I have three?
Speaker 1: Would you like to know? All? Question? Who's the one
Speaker 1: who lied for you? Answer redacted? Question? And what it
Speaker 1: redacted do to lie for you? Sir said, I wasn't there? Question?
Speaker 1: And Tuditi tel wasn't there? Answer? Ask him question where
Speaker 1: were you when redacted told this someone that you were
Speaker 1: not at the Quarterdeck tavern? Answer eating Nacho's question at
Speaker 1: the Quarterdeck tavern? Answer yes. Question what did you do
Speaker 1: so that redacted would lie to the process servers for you? Answer? Nothing?
Speaker 1: Question you just got him to lie for you, didn't you? Answer? No,
Speaker 1: I had no influence on him, saying I wasn't there? Question?
Speaker 1: He took that upon himself. Isn't it true that mister
Speaker 1: Epstein's process servers had to ask the police to get
Speaker 1: you out of the restaurant so they could serve you.
Speaker 1: And to that Leopold objects objection, lack of foundation and predicate.
Speaker 1: Mister Tyne. Question. You can answer the question, mister Leopold,
Speaker 1: if you know, don't guess the witness, No, you can.
Speaker 1: Can you repeat the question, mister Tyne, don't coach, mister Leopold.
Speaker 1: Don't guess, mister Tyne, that's coaching, mister Leopold. No, that's
Speaker 1: an instruction to the client. Mister Tyne, No, you don't
Speaker 1: do that, witness. Can you repeat the question, mister Leopold.
Speaker 1: Let me just state for the record, mister Tyne. Question,
Speaker 1: once the police, isn't it true that mister Epstein's process
Speaker 1: servers had to ask the police to get you out
Speaker 1: of the restaurant so they could serve you. Answer incorrect.
Speaker 1: My boss called the police. Question and once the police
Speaker 1: showed up to stop you from lying to avoid service,
Speaker 1: you made another lie that the process servers had to
Speaker 1: ask you. Isn't that correct? Answer? Incorrect? Question you why
Speaker 1: all the time, don't you mister Leopold objection the witness incorrect?
Speaker 1: Mister Tyne. Question, you have a MySpace page don't you?
Speaker 1: Answer no longer? Do I have a MySpace page? I
Speaker 1: deleted it? Question when did you delete your MySpace page?
Speaker 1: Answer a couple of days ago? Question who told you
Speaker 1: to take your MySpace page down? A couple of days ago?
Speaker 1: Answer nobody. I'm sick and tired of MySpace. Question you
Speaker 1: all of a sudden got sick and tired of MySpace
Speaker 1: Just a few days before this deposition, you decided to
Speaker 1: delete your MySpace page. Correct answer correct. Question is that
Speaker 1: your testimony under oath? Answer yes. Question did you take
Speaker 1: your MySpace page down because you thought the government might subpoena?
Speaker 1: Answer incorrect. Question hadn't your MySpace page been up for
Speaker 1: over three months before you took it down? Answer correct?
Speaker 1: But I also made tons of MySpace over the last years.
Speaker 1: I just get tired of them and delete them because
Speaker 1: drama and make new ones. Question we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about that. So you deleted your MySpace page after you
Speaker 1: were already under subpoena for this deposition correct answer. Correct
Speaker 1: question What about the MySpace page? Didn't you want us
Speaker 1: to see redacted? Answer nothing? Question, Well, we're going to
Speaker 1: come back to MySpace in a second. Answer you do
Speaker 1: that I'm going to ask you some questions about why
Speaker 1: you lie about your age so often. Okay, mister Leopold,
Speaker 1: objection to the form argumentative, mister Tyne. Question you lie
Speaker 1: about your age all the time, don't you? Mister Leopold
Speaker 1: objection argumentative the witness incorrect, mister Tyne. Question, you lie
Speaker 1: about your age to get body piercings. Don't you answer? Incorrect? Question?
Speaker 1: You have body piercings? Don't you answer? Yes? Question? You
Speaker 1: have four body piercings. Isn't that right? Answer? Five? Question?
Speaker 1: Other than the piercings on your ears, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about that answer. Oh then no, just one question? And
Speaker 1: where's that one body piercing? Answer? Belly question? When did
Speaker 1: you get that answer? For my birthday with my stepmother
Speaker 1: and my father? Question? And when was that answer? When
Speaker 1: I was fourteen? Question? Okay, so you have the body
Speaker 1: piercing when you met Epstein? Correct answer? It might have
Speaker 1: been or maybe that yeah, either my fourteenth birthday or
Speaker 1: fifteenth birthday, I honestly don't remember. Question. Now you've lied
Speaker 1: about your age to get into bars by using the
Speaker 1: driver license? That aren't yours? Correct answer? Incorrect question? Are
Speaker 1: you swearing? Under oath that you've never done that. Answer, Yes,
Speaker 1: I swear under oath. Question, and you've lied about your
Speaker 1: age to buy beer? Correct answer? Incorrect question. You're swearing
Speaker 1: under oath that you've never lied to stores about your age. Answer,
Speaker 1: I've never lied to a store about my age or anything.
Speaker 1: Question you try to look much older than you are.
Speaker 1: Don't you answer incorrect? Can you imagine that's the question
Speaker 1: he's asking this girl? You try to look older than
Speaker 1: you are? Oh? Yeah, because that justifies what Epstein did. Right,
Speaker 1: piece of shit? Question? And you lied about your age
Speaker 1: on your MySpace pages? Don't you answer incorrect? Question? All right,
Speaker 1: let's look at exhibit twenty dash zero one, Miss Bellohovlik,
Speaker 1: who's one of the prosecutors. Twenty six dash zero zero one,
Speaker 1: mister Tyne, Yes, question. On this page, you lie to
Speaker 1: everyone that you were eighteen. Didn't you answer? Correct? Question?
Speaker 1: Let's go to exhibit thirty three, Miss Bellohovlick, that's thirty
Speaker 1: three dash zero zero one, tyn correct, mister Tyne. On
Speaker 1: this page you lie to everyone that you were nineteen.
Speaker 1: Didn't you answer incorrect? Mister Leopold, just answer the question,
Speaker 1: the witness, Oh, incorrect? Mister Tyne. Question, now you can
Speaker 1: explain your answer. Answer. I know that I have seen
Speaker 1: all of these, and I know that this one is mine.
Speaker 1: Can you go down, mister Leopold, Just for the record,
Speaker 1: you're appointing to the photo the witness I'm pointing to.
Speaker 1: Mister Tyne cuts her off. You're appointing to the one
Speaker 1: where it says your age is eighteen? Answer correct question,
Speaker 1: that's yours, right answer correct. That's my from a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago that I have not been on because
Speaker 1: I don't use that. Please keep going down, please, And
Speaker 1: I think that's it, because there is no one just
Speaker 1: that one is mine. Question. So the one you pointed
Speaker 1: to where it says your age is eighteen, that yours
Speaker 1: correct answer? Correct question. When you wrote eighteen as your
Speaker 1: age on your MySpace page, was it a lie? Answer?
Speaker 1: Correct question? Did you lie about your MySpace page back
Speaker 1: then because you couldn't post on MySpace unless you were eighteen?
Speaker 1: Answer correct. There was a rule many years ago that
Speaker 1: you had to be eighteen to have a MySpace question,
Speaker 1: so you lied about your age so you could post
Speaker 1: on MySpace. Right answer, right question. Let's get back to
Speaker 1: the top of the page. Thirty three to oh one.
Speaker 1: Are you testifying now under oath that this MySpace page
Speaker 1: where the headline says twins do have More Fun and
Speaker 1: the location is given as Locks abbreviation for Locks of
Speaker 1: Hatchie and the age is nineteen and it says redact.
Speaker 1: Is it your testimony that you did not post that? Answer? Correct? Question. Now,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the one where you were appointing
Speaker 1: to before on this page where it says your age
Speaker 1: is eighteen, and you lied about your age to post
Speaker 1: on MySpace? Okay? Answer yes? Question all right? Why did
Speaker 1: you finally put your true age on MySpace profile four
Speaker 1: days before you were scheduled to testify before the grand jury? Answer?
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, mister Leopold. If
Speaker 1: you don't understand, asked to have the question asked again,
Speaker 1: mister Tyne, don't coach the witness. I don't know which
Speaker 1: MySpace you're talking about, mister Tyne. Question the MySpace page
Speaker 1: that you just pointed to where it says you were eighteen.
Speaker 1: Answer yes, question and you were lying about your age?
Speaker 1: Right answer? Uh huh? Question Why did you finally post
Speaker 1: your true age on your MySpace profile? Answer question four
Speaker 1: days before you were scheduled to testify before the grand jury. Answer,
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know which MySpace because I've had like
Speaker 1: a bazillion myspaces in that year. I had two, that
Speaker 1: one and another one, and that one's been deleted. I
Speaker 1: don't know which one you're referring to. Question do you
Speaker 1: remember that you change your age on your MySpace page
Speaker 1: from eighteen to your true age just four days before
Speaker 1: you went and testified in the grand jury? Answer? No question,
Speaker 1: you don't remember that. Answer No question. Do you remember
Speaker 1: detective Rocari? Did you ever meet a Detective Roccari? Answer?
Speaker 1: I don't know the name. Question how many different detectives
Speaker 1: have you met with this case from Palm Beach? Answer
Speaker 1: probably a good six or seven maybe. Question did one
Speaker 1: of the detectives tell you before you testified in the
Speaker 1: grand jury that you should take your MySpace page and
Speaker 1: put your true age? Answer? No question. Didn't Detective Riccari
Speaker 1: have to come to your house to pick you up
Speaker 1: to get you to testify in front of the grand jury? Answer?
Speaker 1: Possibly maybe? Because I didn't have a ride. I was
Speaker 1: only fourteen or fifteen at the time. Question your mom
Speaker 1: didn't drive you? Answer? No question. Stepmom didn't drive you? Answer?
Speaker 1: I think my dad, Oh, my dad, my dad drove me.
Speaker 1: Question your dad drove you? Answer yes, sir question, So
Speaker 1: your testimonious detective Riccari did not drive you? Correct, mister
Speaker 1: Leopold objection asked and answered the witness. No, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure my dad drove me because he was there with me.
Speaker 1: Mister tyne. Question, did any detective tell you to change
Speaker 1: your age on your MySpace page to put your true age?
Speaker 1: Answer no, sir question. Now you also lied on your
Speaker 1: MySpace page about your income. Didn't you answer yes? Question?
Speaker 1: And you lied saying you made a quarter million dollars
Speaker 1: a year and hire correct answer as a joke? Yes? Question?
Speaker 1: That was a lie, wasn't it? Answer yes question? And
Speaker 1: you also lied on your MySpace page saying that you
Speaker 1: were married. Didn't you answer possibly? And that might have
Speaker 1: been an error on my part? Question? Now you also
Speaker 1: lie to the police. Don't you answer no question? While
Speaker 1: you lied to the police in your tape recorded statement
Speaker 1: that you gave Detective Michelle Pegan three years ago, didn't
Speaker 1: you answer to my knowledge? No, I did not question
Speaker 1: while you lied to the police. When you accuse mister
Speaker 1: Epstein of attempting to murder your father? Didn't you answer no,
Speaker 1: I never heard a statement saying that mister Epstein tried
Speaker 1: to murder my father. Question you made that statement, didn't you,
Speaker 1: mister Leopold. Do you have a statement to show her
Speaker 1: that's been asked? An answered mister Tyne. I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: didn't hear the witnesses answer, mister Leopold. Mister Tyne. Question
Speaker 1: you told the police, didn't you that mister Epstein almost
Speaker 1: killed your father? Answer? No. Question three years ago, before
Speaker 1: mister Epstein even knew about this investigation. You told the
Speaker 1: police that Epstein had already come to my dad's house
Speaker 1: and did something to my dad tires, and my dad
Speaker 1: almost died. I didn't want my dad to get hurt
Speaker 1: because jeff had already almost killed him. Didn't you say that?
Speaker 1: Answer Not to my knowledge or recollection, I have never
Speaker 1: said anything like that. Question. That would have been a
Speaker 1: complete lie, wouldn't it have been? Answer? Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: So that's gonna do it for the Jane Doe two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight Florida deposition that was given against Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 1: And that just gives you a little bit of an
Speaker 1: idea of how adversarial this stuff was for these girls
Speaker 1: that brought these allegations against Epstein, especially down in Florida.
Speaker 1: There was a lot going on there, and the way
Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein conducted himself needs to be talked about because,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the whole process surrounding it was corrupt.
Speaker 1: So when you go back and you look at all
Speaker 1: the testimony and you look at these depositions, it's obvious
Speaker 1: to anyone that they have the goods on Epstein and
Speaker 1: they chose to give them that homie hookup instead. And
Speaker 1: what's funny is we're seeing history repeat itself in real
Speaker 1: time as Glenn Maxwell gets the same kind of treatment. So,
Speaker 1: like usual, we'll continue swimming through all this mook looking
Speaker 1: for the clarity to keep bringing you the truth that
Speaker 1: they want to keep buried. All of the information that
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