Speaker 1: Bill cunning in the Great America. Welcome to Thursday. Afternuning,
Speaker 1: the tri State snow is falling. By the weekend, things
Speaker 1: should calm down, is there prices everywhere? Three thousand personnel
Speaker 1: are on the streets clearing the roads in the bridges,
Speaker 1: except for four seventy one, which is a completely different issue,
Speaker 1: and we may get into that with Chris Finny a
Speaker 1: little bit, because according to knowledgeable sources, that was put
Speaker 1: there by shall we say, well intended recreational officials in
Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati more or less approved quietly by
Speaker 1: O DOT. And now they have to update their list
Speaker 1: of things not to put on their I four seventy
Speaker 1: one any other interstate. We got to update the list
Speaker 1: of their partner. But until then, Chris Finnie a great
Speaker 1: attorney locally. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Chris,
Speaker 1: first of all, before we talk about Bucks County in
Speaker 1: Stansbury Park, we've been pursuing for a while this four
Speaker 1: to seventy one situation, which is a catastrophe by any
Speaker 1: fair measurement. Fortunately, I don't think you live in northern Kentucky,
Speaker 1: but if you do, to try to go back and
Speaker 1: forth across the river. It's almost impossible, do you see.
Speaker 1: And when recreation officials put it there, they contacted ODOT
Speaker 1: in Lebanon to say, what do you think about this?
Speaker 1: And the ODAT official went over the list of things
Speaker 1: not to put under a bridge, and a large placeset
Speaker 1: was not included, and so they say, well, the placet
Speaker 1: would be a good idea. It's plastic, recycled plastic. It's
Speaker 1: on three inches of rubber, which is about one hundred
Speaker 1: feet by two hundred feet, so if kids fall down,
Speaker 1: they don't hurt a knee. And at this point they're
Speaker 1: going hummahammahammahamma. Is there any do you perceive of any
Speaker 1: liability of anyone like a tony bender that spends two
Speaker 1: hours every day trying to get back and forth across
Speaker 1: the river as more or less a planet's lawyer and
Speaker 1: a great planiniffs attorney. Can you think of some liability
Speaker 1: that the city of the state might have for those
Speaker 1: millions of men and woman hours that are being wasted
Speaker 1: sitting in traffic all day?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we've definitely had some mouthfeasance on somebody's
Speaker 2: part to allow this to happen. But as you're aware, Willy.
Speaker 2: There's a print called sovereign immunity that protects governmententities and
Speaker 2: performing their governmental functions. It's very difficult to maintain a
Speaker 2: cause of action. So I think this is one that
Speaker 2: the taxpayers, which is probably the beds and the state
Speaker 2: Department of Transportation, are going to have to eat. But
Speaker 2: it's a mass, I mean, what's it a I haven't
Speaker 2: heard the estimates, but I'm guessing just without the economic impact,
Speaker 2: the physical repairs of that bridge would be half a
Speaker 2: billion dollars or something to get it repaired.
Speaker 1: Well. The other part of this is they haven't started
Speaker 1: the repair process yet. They're still they're still analyzing what
Speaker 1: to do. And these beams that are ninety feet long
Speaker 1: four feet wide that are like housing the structure have
Speaker 1: to be configured and created and manufactured probably in China.
Speaker 1: And uh, we're talking. They're not talking weeks anymore. They're
Speaker 1: talking months. We're talking.
Speaker 2: You know. I have my new office downtown Willie, and
Speaker 2: the primary means of transportation. I live in Anderson up
Speaker 2: by the old Tony exit what used to be Old
Speaker 2: Coney and that's a primary way for me to get
Speaker 2: home and back. And you can't get there that way
Speaker 2: anymore going home. And then I have a young attorney
Speaker 2: who lives in Newport, and it's comical as to how
Speaker 2: difficult it is to get from downtown Cincinnati or north
Speaker 2: on seventy one to Campbell County. It is an absolute
Speaker 2: disaster of tremendous you know. So then you have the
Speaker 2: economic impact of all this from one you know, arrant
Speaker 2: decision of what to put under the bridge and one
Speaker 2: homeless guy set in the fire. It's unbelievable how much
Speaker 2: damage was caused by that one set of decisions.
Speaker 1: I guess Chris Finnis shows how fragile things are. On
Speaker 1: a second matter, I'm watching yesterday, there's a Bucks County,
Speaker 1: which is a suburban county outside of Philadelphia, and I
Speaker 1: guess in Pennsylvania, I'm liked in the state of Ohio,
Speaker 1: they elect by county election officials, and so we can
Speaker 1: only imagine the left wing politics available in Pittsburgh, Alleghany
Speaker 1: and also Philadelphia County. But Bucks County is similar to
Speaker 1: like a Warren County, which is thoroughly democratic. And there
Speaker 1: was an order from the Pennsylvania Supreme Court that you
Speaker 1: can't count mail in ballots or absentee ballots that are
Speaker 1: not signed and or dated. So a ballot will come
Speaker 1: in and it's not signed and or dated. And this
Speaker 1: election official actually set on camera knowing she was being
Speaker 1: taped in an official meeting. We're not going to pay
Speaker 1: attention to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court because we all know,
Speaker 1: and she referenced the abortion matter of Dodd and dealing
Speaker 1: with well, sometimes courts changed the law and abortion, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Absentee ballots, even though they're not signed and dated, we're
Speaker 1: going to count them anyway because it's the right thing
Speaker 1: to do. And so now last night you may not
Speaker 1: have seen it on YouTube, but I did, and there
Speaker 1: were hundreds or thousands of citizens showed up and said,
Speaker 1: what in the hell are you doing? The law said
Speaker 1: you can't do it, but she wants to do it
Speaker 1: anyway because she says they're democratic palace to overturn the
Speaker 1: US Senate seat. What's your reaction to that one.
Speaker 2: Well, Willie, I'm going to go far afield and my
Speaker 2: answer to this, but if you think about the immigration problem,
Speaker 2: for example, the problem in many cases we have isn't
Speaker 2: the laws we have on the books. It's that nobody
Speaker 2: follows the laws the elected officials aren't enforcing the laws.
Speaker 2: The people who are subject to the laws are ignoring
Speaker 2: the laws. And it shows what happens in a society
Speaker 2: where we lose respect for the courts and the rule
Speaker 2: of law. So a foundational issue for the sort of
Speaker 2: the steady unraveling of our society is when we take
Speaker 2: the approach which we have with the immigration issue that yeah,
Speaker 2: the laws on the books, but everybody, the people who
Speaker 2: are supposed to enforce it, and the immigrants and everyone else,
Speaker 2: we just ignore what the law says. And that cannot
Speaker 2: be the foundation of our society or everything unravels. And
Speaker 2: an elected official that a high up, you know, important,
Speaker 2: this is an important thing to control of the United
Speaker 2: States Senate, yes, saying I'm going to ignore what the
Speaker 2: courts have told me to do and do what I
Speaker 2: think is the right thing to do. I don't, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know how society continues to exist. And she
Speaker 2: was rightly, you know, Josh Shapiro, the Democrat governor, and
Speaker 2: other Democrats themselves condemned her for that approach because it
Speaker 2: really reinforces what the people On January seventh and Donald
Speaker 2: Trump we was saying, is that the last election was stolen.
Speaker 2: Why would you give people that argument and reinforce that
Speaker 2: that there it's a lawless process to account the votes,
Speaker 2: that this is one of the most important functions in
Speaker 2: our society.
Speaker 1: But she said that this is a very important function.
Speaker 1: This is corridor our so called democracy. And if people
Speaker 1: intend to vote and don't do it properly, that's okay.
Speaker 1: You do a lot of real estate work. What if
Speaker 1: you don't sign a deed? What if you don't date
Speaker 1: a d does that mean okay? The recorder might say,
Speaker 1: you know what, even though Chris Finny he didn't sign
Speaker 1: it and he didn't put a date on it, but
Speaker 1: I kind of want to interpret his intent. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to let the property transfer anyway. How does that end?
Speaker 2: We all have laws that we have to comply with,
Speaker 2: and if the approach begins to be, you know, the
Speaker 2: powerful get to decide which laws apply and which don't.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty dangerous precedent. And there's a question which
Speaker 2: I saw raised, which is should that election official be
Speaker 2: charged criminally for what she did because the votes are
Speaker 2: already counted, right, I mean, the ones that were counted
Speaker 2: illegally are counted. You can't uncount them. So as far
Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, she should be prosecuted just the same
Speaker 2: way as the other folks that tampered with an election
Speaker 2: should be prosecuted. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It happened in Minnesota also, where an official was actually
Speaker 1: charged because he was voting four large numbers of people
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis in the precinct and he was the election official,
Speaker 1: and there was a bunch of ballots left over at
Speaker 1: the end of the and he just added fifty more
Speaker 1: to the roles and just put him in. And now,
Speaker 1: once you com mingle the ballots, how do you uncom
Speaker 1: mingle them? And that gives flight to the idea that
Speaker 1: the elections are not square. And you know, I read
Speaker 1: everything that I can. And for the last several cycles,
Speaker 1: the winning or losing democrat had between sixty three and
Speaker 1: sixty eight million votes that were counted and cast. And
Speaker 1: that person's behalf, whether it was Obama or whether it
Speaker 1: was Hillary Clinton, or I leave Joe Biden off to
Speaker 1: the side, or Kamala Harris, they get between sixty three
Speaker 1: and sixty nine million votes. All of a sudden, twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: there was eighty one million people. There was like an
Speaker 1: initial twelve to thirteen million people voted, and where those
Speaker 1: votes come from? That's Trump's argument, We don't know where
Speaker 1: they came from. And then it went back to sea
Speaker 1: level and this election back to about sixty seven sixty
Speaker 1: eight million votes for Kamala Harris. So the conspiratory theorists
Speaker 1: like Tony Benders says, wait a minute, what happened to
Speaker 1: those seven or eight million votes? Where are they? And
Speaker 1: the answer is maybe there were thousands of election officials
Speaker 1: like in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. The simply said, you know what,
Speaker 1: we know who should win this election. Let's add a
Speaker 1: few to the polls co mingle them, in which case
Speaker 1: we can't identify legal from illegal. And that gives the
Speaker 1: conspiratorialists a hook to hang their hat on.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I unfortunately I do because
Speaker 2: I wish, I wish those people didn't have a good point.
Speaker 2: But when we have people that think that the rules
Speaker 2: are flexible, as it were, to tilt the election, it's
Speaker 2: kind of frightening, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 2: Now. Thirdly, what the guy that's what the guy in
Speaker 2: Venezuela did you know he's been voted out twice, but
Speaker 2: he fixes the vote each time, and nobody can do
Speaker 2: it because he controls the military down there, and there's
Speaker 2: nothing anybody can do about it.
Speaker 1: His name is Maduro, and he decides, and they did
Speaker 1: all this exit polling that came out and he lost
Speaker 1: like eighty to twenty. But by the time the military
Speaker 1: shut down the polling places and everyone counted up the votes,
Speaker 1: he won eighty to twenty. How's that possible? Maybe Bucks
Speaker 1: cant he was in charge, and maybe that's the tip
Speaker 1: of the Iceberger. I can only imagine we have a
Speaker 1: pretty good Board of Elections director. Or her name is
Speaker 1: Sherry poland had her on several times. I can only
Speaker 1: imagine if she had a news conference, not some aside
Speaker 1: to a friend and a bar, maybe at Zip's getting
Speaker 1: a cheeseburger, but she's had an official meeting in which
Speaker 1: she's announced, Look, I'm going to add to the voting
Speaker 1: roles hundreds or thousands of votes that were not properly cast.
Speaker 1: And it's like, why isn't she criminally charged. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Bucks County. That's a civil rights violation. And she
Speaker 1: did it. She did it publicly, she admitted to it.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, no big deal. And Josh Shapiro,
Speaker 1: to his credit, took several days to come out with
Speaker 1: a statement about five days ago in which he said,
Speaker 1: you know what, follow the law. Then the Pennsylvania Supreme
Speaker 1: Court issued another order. Follow the law. Then finally she said, okay, reluctantly,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. It's like, are you kidding me? We
Speaker 1: can't have a participatory democracy with election officials with their
Speaker 1: thumb and knees on the scale. Now, lastly, let's talk
Speaker 1: about Stanbury Park in Anderson Township, and this was in
Speaker 1: our news about four or five days ago, which is
Speaker 1: a beautiful park. Describe what Apte Pureval did there and
Speaker 1: how relevant is to the people of Cincinnati and Hamleton County.
Speaker 2: Well, if you could think of a stable, middle class
Speaker 2: neighborhood of working class people in Cincinnati, Mount Washington would
Speaker 2: be a hard working, honest, and multi racial, multicultural community.
Speaker 2: There's a woman that runs a barbecue station there in
Speaker 2: downtown Mount Washington who's a bit of a pioneer hanging
Speaker 2: on and Stanbury Park is the sort of the recreational
Speaker 2: hub of Mount Washington and they've had homeless people living
Speaker 2: there for a very long time, and the city, I
Speaker 2: guess just yesterday finally did some more about it. But
Speaker 2: there seems to be this Portland, Oregon idea that we're
Speaker 2: not gonna bother the homeless people, which who are usually
Speaker 2: doing drugs, mentally ill. In other words, you wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to send your twelve year old child to Stanbury Park
Speaker 2: to play in the afternoon by himself or with his friends.
Speaker 2: It's not a safe place to be. And if your
Speaker 2: neighborhood park in a solid working class, middle class neighborhood
Speaker 2: can't be a safe place for children to go, or
Speaker 2: for adults for that matter, we are undermining the same
Speaker 2: thing I just said, undermining the rule of law, the
Speaker 2: sense of stability in our society. And my question and
Speaker 2: that that barbecue operator who's one of the pioneers in
Speaker 2: the downtown urban business district of Mount Washington, if she's
Speaker 2: saying I might move because I found people sleeping on
Speaker 2: my picnic tables, and you know Heroin Needles, which is
Speaker 2: close to Stanbury Park. If we're driving, who thinks that's
Speaker 2: good policy? Is? Is Amika Owens, does aftab purable, does
Speaker 2: Jan Michelle Arnie think that these are good policies? To
Speaker 2: not not you know, we're not whether they say eat
Speaker 2: the rich, we're not bothering the people in Indian Hill
Speaker 2: and Hyde Park. This is a stable, important neighborhood of
Speaker 2: this city where affordable housing is the most affordable housing
Speaker 2: we have in the city exists. And the city will
Speaker 2: not clean up that park. That's a problem, major problem.
Speaker 1: Well, and it was cleaned up at one point. Then
Speaker 1: you sent me these five picks of what's happening, and
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. Is it a crime to
Speaker 1: use needles, take drugs, expose oneself, no bathroom facilities to
Speaker 1: live and a park. Isn't that a crime?
Speaker 2: It is? It is called vagrancy along with the drug
Speaker 2: dealing and the drug using and other things. There's many
Speaker 2: crimes that they're committing by living in the parks. And
Speaker 2: we again, we just simply need to enforce the laws
Speaker 2: consistently that we have instead of encouraging this bad behavior.
Speaker 2: And our leaders of the city, and I got to
Speaker 2: tell you, I admire you know, the economic development engine
Speaker 2: of the city is amazing. A lot of good things
Speaker 2: are happening in this city. But I watched this stuff,
Speaker 2: and I say, who thinks this is good policy? Because
Speaker 2: all we're doing is undermining the people who are, you know,
Speaker 2: struggling to hang on in I grew up in Kennedy Heights.
Speaker 2: I grew up in a neighborhood. Seven kids in our family, right,
Speaker 2: and you know, we had to make our way through
Speaker 2: that neighborhood with the schools and the parks and whatever.
Speaker 2: And our parents weren't around a whit. You know, they
Speaker 2: would lock the doors and send us outside until after dark. Right,
Speaker 2: will you remember the day? Yes? Yes, I was in it, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: And you can't do that today because there's the fabric
Speaker 2: of our society is in front of our eyes, unrailing.
Speaker 2: I would just ask the question of the chief of police,
Speaker 2: of the mayor, of city council members, why do you
Speaker 2: think this is good policy to let these these things continue.
Speaker 2: Please enforce the laws that we've had on the books
Speaker 2: and enforced when I was a kid, and otherwise these
Speaker 2: things weren't a problem. Why all of a sudden have
Speaker 2: we decided to not just enforce the laws as written
Speaker 2: and make our communities safe places. I watched what, by
Speaker 2: the way, Gavin Newsom is finally in California cracking down
Speaker 2: on this stuff. But I have to have purable when
Speaker 2: the city is not.
Speaker 1: Why would that be Well, it's because I guess it's
Speaker 1: politically incorrect. It should be politically correct to say we
Speaker 1: can have illegal activity and crimes committed. Arrest them, clean
Speaker 1: up the park, a station, a police officer there. Someone
Speaker 1: shows up again, sleeps all night, uses drugs, urinat or defecated,
Speaker 1: fornicated in public. You're under arrest, into the Justice center.
Speaker 1: And then we ought to have a functioning longview statemental hospital.
Speaker 1: It's not a homeless problem. That's a misnumber. It's drug
Speaker 1: use and it's out alcohol and it's insanity, and those
Speaker 1: people need help. You don't get help this afternoon, when
Speaker 1: the snow's falling, it's thirty two degrees by sleeping outside
Speaker 1: in some doorway of a barbecue plate that it can't
Speaker 1: do business. And I've seen it, especially around Court Street
Speaker 1: and downtown Cincinnati, where my good friend Sean Donovan lives,
Speaker 1: that people live outside, they own the steps of Saint
Speaker 1: Francis Seraph School and church. The city does nothing. They
Speaker 1: watch drug dealing, drug use and urinating in public, and
Speaker 1: no one does anything. It sends the message guess what
Speaker 1: it's okay and it's not okay, and the city council
Speaker 1: should worry about that stuff instead of the silliness they do.
Speaker 1: But the Chris Finny once again, we'll see about Stanbury
Speaker 1: Park and I'm going to try to my best this
Speaker 1: weekend to go frequent that barbecue place I know where
Speaker 1: it is to give that woman some business, because you
Speaker 1: can't conduct a business in which those sleeping around you
Speaker 1: are using drugs and acting out paranoid schizophrenia. But Chris Finny,
Speaker 1: once again, thanks for coming on, Thanks for coming on
Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Show. And Chris, you're really a very
Speaker 1: important person in this community doing these kinds of things,
Speaker 1: and thanks for talking about it publicly.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Thank you for shining the light
Speaker 2: of truth on it. Willie appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Chris Finney, God bless America. Let's continue with more. And
Speaker 1: it's not homelessness, it's insanity and drug use. City council
Speaker 1: and the mayor puts up with it. I guess for
Speaker 1: political purposes, and I don't get it. Bill Cunningham News
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