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Speaker 1: And welcome to the Big Podcast. Is Thursday. Today's the

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twenty eighth day of August, Year of Our Lord, twenty

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twenty five. My name is Tom Sullivan. So we have

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we still have spillover from yesterday regarding the shooting at

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the Catholic church in Minneapolis. And I got an email

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or now I got a phone call from Eric in

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the Bay Area asking me why I never mentioned the

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fact that the shooter was transgender. And while as we

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recorded yesterday, it did not come out until late in

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the day, at least here on the East Coast, that

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the shooter was somebody. They'd never identified who it was

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until late in the day, and they said to it

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was Robert, but then corrected to the person changed their

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name to Robin. Okay, that was the first clue that, well,

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wait a minute, what's going They never mentioned transgender, but

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a lot of people are talking about transgenderism and this shooting,

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and the reason for it is there is an uncanny

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parallel to the shooting that took place a couple of

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years ago at a Christian school in Nashville, Tennessee, and

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it was the same thing.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: A transgender who had gone to that school and carried

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three weapons just like the one yesterday. We go down

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the list of all the things that line up perfectly.

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So I don't know what's the transgender impact was of

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all of this. I've heard many people that are well

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thought people, well thought of people that have said that

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transgenderism is a form of mental illness. That you think

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you're a different gender than the body that you have

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is some form of mental illness. I have no idea.

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It's beyond my comprehension. I don't know how you get there.

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But there obviously are people that do think that they

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are in the wrong body. And there's a lot of transgenders.

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I mean, there's not a lot in the population percentage wise,

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but there's still a lot of people that are transgender

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that don't go around shooting innocent civilians, let alone children.

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So I will acknowledge that it is part of the story,

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and it ties in with the person in Nashville who

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did the same exact thing, and I'll leave it to

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the psychologist to figure out whether or not that mental

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process involves also becoming violent. And I just don't know.

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All I know is that there's there's a lot of

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uh pushback today on that and I wanted to address it,

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but I really don't. I'm not qualified to say whether

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or not somebody that is transgender thinks of themselves in

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a way that's violent versus the rest of us. I

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will tell you this. I've been very clear on this.

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I do not understand and I think it's absolutely wrong,

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and and thankfully a number of states have decided to

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codify it. But ting to change the gender of somebody

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that's under the age of eighteen, I would prefer twenty one,

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I think is wrong. We used to not let a

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school nurse give an aspirin to your child without getting

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parental permission, and now there are people that are trying

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to abscond with these underage children to help them with

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their transition. And I'm sorry. If you're an adult, preferably

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over twenty one, and you are believing that you're in

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the wrong body, it doesn't bother me. I don't care.

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I really don't care. That affects you and your life.

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I don't know how it affects my life. You want

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to be a boy and you're a girl now or

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vice versa. You just go for it. I'm not going

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to tell you what to do or how to think

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or what you should or should not do if you're

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under twenty one. Now I have a problem because young

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kids cannot make those kinds of decisions. They just cannot.

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So I think it's absolutely wrong, all right. John Miller,

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former NYPD counter terrorism guy, was asked about the latest

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on the investigation in that shooting.

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Speaker 3: Well, the investigation today takes a dramatic slow down in

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that it appears the shooter acted alone. It appears, and

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this is a question that will be probed as they

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keep going, that no one else had direct knowledge of this.

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So now since there's no one to prosecute, the searches

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have been conducted. They'll be spending days, if not weeks,

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getting into electronic devices analyzing more. But the shooter prepared

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for investigators what he wanted them to see, the extensive

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writings in the notebook, which was written in cyrillic texts,

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so it literally had to be decoded into English, and

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then the plane plain English note to his family. There

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are questions in there because we have referred to it

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as law enforcement has referred to it as a manifesto,

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But it doesn't give us a lot of clues as

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to some political grievance or cause. It's mostly in terms

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of the copy about his suffering, his grievances, his unhappiness

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in life, which gets us to, all, right, then why

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that target? Why a Catholic school? Why a school that

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he attended where his mother worked as an employee, Especially

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when you look at the video and what he has

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written on these firearms is anti black, anti Jew, anti everybody.

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It doesn't really single out Catholics except to say one

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magazine says, this is for the children. Another magazine says,

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where is your God now? And the direction they're going

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in in terms of targeting, is he picked that target

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as opposed to his high school or some other place

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because it would be the most terrible in terms of victimology.

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Speaker 1: Darren Ports or former NYPD lieutenant, also picks up on

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what he sees right.

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Speaker 4: Well, the question is an endlest but one of the

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things that I look to is the fortifications that we

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should have in place in these institutions of learning. More

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specific to the religious schools, you generally don't have these

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that happen at the religious schools. They happen more so

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in the public schools. With exception of what happened in

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Tennessee in the past. But at the same token, what

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fortifications could be in play. I think to the triangulation

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of having an armed security officer outside as well as

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drone technology and surveillance campus. So when you have that triangulation,

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what it does is it helps. In addition to that,

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we had to manifesto that was produced, and I think

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that the social media community can do much more in

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terms of looking at this content and having this blocked

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as opposed of being introduced to us as a common public.

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It appears as if this was a copycat attack, and

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we see this happen far too much. And I believe

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that what these communities can do more so specific to

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the schools, is focused on a triangulation that I spoke to.

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Speaker 1: All Right, a couple of reactions. First of all, the

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guy was mentally ill. He was full of anxiety, he

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was obsessed, he had hatred, he had all of that,

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and so you've got to stop and wonder anybody see that.

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I'm sure there were people that saw that. In fact,

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going back to the transgender issue, he wanted to change

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his name because of the fact that he felt that

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he was a woman not a man. So he wanted

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to change it from Robert to Robin. And he was

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seventeen at the time, and so it took his mother.

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There's signature to allow him to change his name. What

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was his mother thinking. I mean, it's more than just

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oh my sweet little boy wants to be a sweet girl. No,

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it's got to be what's wrong with my son? Why

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is he doing this? Did she ask any questions? We

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don't know, but she signed it and she shouldn't have.

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but at this point it looks bizarre. And then did

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Darren Porcher's comment about well, he's a very studious guy

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talking about triangulation at the schools. He's going right down

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my path. Harden these soft targets. I'm sorry, they're wide

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open and nobody does anything about it. And well, that's

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going to cost a lot of money. Do you know

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how much money we waste in this country every year.

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I'd like to unwate some of that and put it

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into hardening up a lot of these targets so that

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when you drop your child off for school they have

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it's not perfect, that they would have a much better

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chance of not being gunned down like they were yesterday.

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Back to John Miller.

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Speaker 3: Be the most important question today because it gets to

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the question that has been echoing through your segments earlier

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today with father that you interviewed, who said his eyes

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burned from tears, is what did we miss? What could

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have been seen? What can we do all of this

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information that's going to be gathered. What's in his phone,

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what's in his computer? What was in those documents? What

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does the video mean? Who is he referring to with

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all those names? I mean, we know a lot of

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that because it feeds into BAU Behavioral Analysis Unit FBI.

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Those are the profilers you watch Criminal Minds or mind Hunter.

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Those people exist in real life and they take that

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and they build the common threads of these shooters. Right

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now today, while we wait forever for politicians to figure

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outgun control legislation and all that. That may never happen,

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but right now today you can go to FBI, dot gov,

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slash prevent and they tell you these are the signs.

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These are the people who you can approach if you

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don't want to call the police. These are the things

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you can say. These are the typical indicators. They have videos,

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they have examples, They have written documents, they have you know, cards.

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All the resources are there, and more attention needs to

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be pushed towards the not just why didn't some eighty

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five percent of these cases, they have what you call

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leakage indicators to others, to friends, to family that they're

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about to do something, but people don't always recognize it

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with leakage till after the event, when suddenly it's crystal

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clear this is how to spot that.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I admire the fact that the police are out there

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trying and they do all of this research and they

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check this and check that, and they go back and forth.

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But there's so many The human is so complicated and

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our behaviors are so complicated and trying to put it

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into a formula that you can therefore point to and

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say this person is going to be a school shooter.

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First of all, we have you just can't go arrest

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somebody for something that they might do. Secondly, is there's

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a lot of people that see the leaky as John

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Miller called it, of people putting out all kinds of

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indicators that they're about ready to do something heinous, but

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people are afraid to pick up the phone and call

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the police and say, you know, I think my friend,

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I think my son, I think my dad, I think

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my cousin. Yeah, I think they're I think about ready

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to go shoot up at school. First of all, people

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won't do that, and secondly, the police will go, okay,

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I'm not saying this is a waste time, but it's

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kind of in that paragraph somewhere. That's why I say,

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you can't stop the perpetrator from wanting to do these things,

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other than you can protect the victims from that perpetrator

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getting to them by hardening up the soft targets. That's

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the only solution that I have of my sleeve. But

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I mean, if I haven't done it, But if you

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want to go with John was talking about, go to

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FBI dot gov slash prevent and apparently they have tips

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for you there. So if you do have somebody, a neighbor,

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a relative, a friend, who's acting dangerous, go there and

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read about it. Maybe it will inspire you to pick

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up the phone and call the police, and maybe they

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will do something about it. But what can they do.

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You cannot arrest people for thinking about doing it. You

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gotta get them after they've committed the crime. The other

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part about this, which is drives me crazy. And it

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went on again today. They had a couple of news

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conferences in Minneapolis today in which basically they had every

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Tom Dick and Harry politician that were standing there. They

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were rushing to the microphone, rushing to the cameras. Look

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at me, look at me, I'm right here. Drives me nuts.

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Jen Saki, former press secretary for Joe Biden. She put

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out a tweet that has not been received well today

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and it's about prayer.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know Jen Saki from the Man in the Moon,

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but what she put out was she said, prayer is

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not freaking enough. Prayers do not end school shootings. Prayers

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do not make parents feel safe sending their kids to scoo.

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Prayer does not bring these kids back enough with the

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thoughts and prayers. So I'm believe it or not. Everybody's

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criticizing it except for I'll give her this much. The

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thoughts in prayers thing is kind of a platitude for

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a lot of these politicians. Oh yes, we have them

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in our thoughts and prayers. They just throw it out there.

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It's not something in their heart. But what it's doing

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is it's insulting prayer, and for those who believe in prayer,

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it's doubly insulting. Mary Catherine Ham weighed in on this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think, first of all, my thoughts and

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prayers are with the families who are dealing with this

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unspeakable tragedy today and having to talk to their children

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about it, those who lost their children. It is right

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and good and I think necessary to pray in these times.

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to saying that prayer is nonsense or unnecessary or weak.

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good faith interpretation that they're unwilling to give their friends

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on the right, I would say that this is a

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call to action. Right, they're frustrated that there's not action

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that goes with prayer. But your response does not need

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to be to denigrate prayer. And it becomes actually perverse

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when the people in the pews were likely attacked for

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practicing their religion, for practicing this tenet of faith, and

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you say that because that didn't protect them, or because

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that doesn't solve the problem, that people should not pray,

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and that you denigrate that practice. I have lived a

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life that has had its portion very different but nonetheless

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of sort of unthinkable tragedy. And prayer did not solve

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the fact that my husband died while I was seven

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months pregnant, but it did not prevent that. But it

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got me through every single day after that. It helped

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me to raise my children. And I just think that

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taking the message to the public that that is somehow

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an insult two people who were killed while practicing their

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faith is so gross.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what's wrong with Jensaki to basically

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mock prayer. Okay, maybe she doesn't believe in prayer, Fine,

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a lot of people do, and it's just absolutely not

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only the wrong thing to do, but the timing of

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it was could it couldn't have been worse. So I've

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got this notice. We get them every day about what's

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going to be happening in the news world, and they

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this is from CBS. They're headlines for stations and it

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says at two o'clock Eastern Minneapolis City Hall, Minnesota lawmakers

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from every level of government, the Minnesota Chapter Mom's Demand Action,

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and other gun violence prevention advocates will hold a news

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conference to honor the victims of the mass shooting at

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Annunciation Catholic Church school and call for action, including a

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ban on assault weapons and high capacity magazines. So it's

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a bunch of politicians getting together and I just think

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they've tried this. You've got four hundred million guns in

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this country. You're not going to be able to get

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them confiscated. So why do you keep beating your head

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against a brick wall and it doesn't change a thing. Sadly,

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this is just the latest iteration of these kinds of

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terrible stories. So let's move on to other topics that

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are going on out there today. There's a lot of them.

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There's a big shakeup at the CDC, the Center for

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Disease Control, and what's happened there is that the director,

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a doctor by the name of Susan Monarrez. She was

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just picked by I RFK Jr. To be the director

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of the CDC Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. She

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was just picked. She was just she went through Senate

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confirmation and they said, yep, we give you a thumbs up.

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That was in late July. Here we are in late August.

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And the reason she was fired, according to her lawyer

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was when CDC Director Susan Manaraz refused to rubber stamp unscientific,

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reckless directives and fired dedicated health experts. She chose protecting

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the public over serving a political agenda, and for that

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she has been targeted. So it gets weirder after that.

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So that's her lawyer, so that they're saying, well, she

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wasn't fired because you didn't fire her correctly. Only the

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president can fire her. And also she hasn't resigned. So

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now we're hitting in two. We've got Lisa Cook, the

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governor on the Federal Reserve Board, who also is not

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stepping down because she and her lawyers have filed a

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lawsuit against Donald Trump. And by the way, there's a

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hearing on this tomorrow morning at ten am in District

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Court in DC that basically she said, yeah, I'm not

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stepping down, and no, you can't fire me. This is

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an independent agency. So over at the CDC, her lawyers

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are saying you didn't fire her correctly, and she's not

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stepping down. So we've got we've got chaos at both

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the Federal Reserve Board and at the Centers for Disease Control.

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I don't know what's going to happen on the on

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this business about RFK Junior. Is he shaking things up? Absolutely?

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He overse he's the CDC, he's the head of the

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Department of Health and Human Services and CDC answers to him.

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So it's going to be interesting. She got called she's

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down Atlanta. Remember that CDC was that crazy gunman went

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down there and fired all kinds of rounds of guns

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into the CDC headquarters just outside of the city of Atlanta,

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and a police officer was killed in that whole foray.

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So it's very strange times in trying to run these

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various agencies in the federal government. I don't know how

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you're feeling about all of this that AREFK Jr. Is doing.

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I know he's controversial. I know he is set in

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the past about vaccines. He doesn't like him not all

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of them, some of them. And now they've come out

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with new rules for the COVID vaccine and you have

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to be sixty five or older or very rigid rules

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about who can get the vaccine for COVID. They basically

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held back on the measles vaccine and we had the

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biggest outbreak we've had in decades. So I don't know

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who to believe. Do I believe the new people that

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RFK Jr. Is bringing in. These people are doctors, They

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have backgrounds that look pretty scientific to me. But the

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people that are getting fired are also doctors and have

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lots of experience in this. So because this director of

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the CDC, Susan, doctor Susan minieris is in between whether

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she's the director or not. Well behind that came the

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news that all this trouble was coming down. So the

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four top officials at the seat threw their resignations on

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the table last night. Doctor Deborah Horri, chief medical officer

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at CDC, Doctor Dmitri das Lexis, Director of the National

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Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, doctor Daniel Jernigan, Director

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of the National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases.

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And doctor Jen Layden, Director of the Office of Public Health,

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Data Surveillance and Technology. So the whole place is in

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a big upheaval. Doctor Dmitrie put a post on X

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it's very very long. What happened to the old twenty

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eight character's limit? Anyway, He wrote a note saying my

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resignation letter from the CDC, and he put this letter

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out there, so the decision has not come easily. I

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deeply value the work that the CDC does in safeguarding

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public health. I'm proud of my contribution to that critical mission. However,

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after much contemplation and reflection on recent developments and perspectives

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brought to light by Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior, I

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find the views he and his staff have shared challenged

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my ability to continue in my current role at the

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agency and in the service of the health of the

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American people. Enough is enough? So he's I don't know

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who to believe. Who do you trust? I always would

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put my trust in doctors over politicians, but now the

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doctors are being replaced by politicians and they seem to

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be credible as well. Who do you trust? And if

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you want to get vaccines, how are you going to

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get vaccines if the government is telling you you can't

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have them? A lot of questions, a lot of chaos,

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a lot of questions. In another area, this is down

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in Florida with Alligator Alcatraz, and there are lawsuits that

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have been filed to prevent Ice from using that as

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a detention facility. The reason. They've had some lawsuits but

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they've been thrown out. But the latest one uses the

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environmental laws and says that you are harming the environment

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by having your detention facility out there in the middle

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of in the middle of the Everglades. And I don't

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understand the whole environmental thing, because if you go back

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and look before they put up all those they're basically

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temporary facilities. It's cost them a lot of money to

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do it, but it's right at an airstrip. So I

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looked up the airstrip and it's the DAID call your

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Training and Transition Airport, and it's been there forever. So

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I don't know what they did. What they built these

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these tents to detain people. They're not there more than

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tenths but you know the kind of temporary buildings, and

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they are built on the concrete from the air where

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the airport was, and they got the airstrip there, so

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it doesn't look like they disturbed the environment at all.

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So we'll see where this goes. I suspect that the

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ICE is going to win this case, but this is

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a federal judge, and the judge is you can't do

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this and they're so ICE to saying, okay, there was

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about four hundred detainees there a couple of weeks ago.

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They're down to one hundred and eighty, and they're basically saying,

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we're going to go ahead and comply and we will

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work this down to where the judges you can't bring

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any new people in. They said, okay, but they're moving

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people out. They put them on planes and fly them

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to some other country as they deport them. So at

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this point ICE is cooperating with shutting this operation down there.

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This is a temporary facility to basically bring detainees, process

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them there, then put them on planes and fly them

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off to other parts of the world. Tom Holman, he

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obviously feels differently about that.

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, elegant to Alcatraz. You know, I

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got a lot of questions about that, so I actually

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made a trip down there. I spent the entire day

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down there. So I don't think this judge went down

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there and toured the facility, because I think the decision

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is bad. I mean, I went, I walked to the

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attention part where the aliens are housed, clean, well kept,

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you know, and I went I went to the medical

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facility and talked to the medical staff and seen a

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great medical program to have there. Had no serious medical issues.

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Speaker 7: What they was.

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Speaker 6: They actually had a helicopter there to take them to

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the neurotrauma center. But they had a great medical facility

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there that I went to and talked to the positions

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and the nurses. I went to the cafeteria and looked

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at the food they're feeding these people. And as far

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as environmental concerns, I mean, I was briefed at all

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the waste, all the non possable water, all of that

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is taking off facility every day. As far as facility itself,

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it's sitting on existing concrete that was already there in

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the airports. I don't understand the judges really. I think

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it's a radical decision. I think it's really about anti

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immigration enforcement rather than the condition of the facility.

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Speaker 1: I was there.

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Speaker 6: Look, it's a transition facility, it's not a long term facility.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 6: Because of that, I truly believe we need more brick

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and mortar. We have the money now to do it.

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We need to build an infrastructure that's going to last.

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We need more brick and mortar facilities for longer term detention,

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but these transitional facilities. I thank god the governors are

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stepping up. I'm proud of the governor's stepping up and

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helping ICE to detain people, remove people, because this illegommigration

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the last four years is historical immigration effect to the

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States too. Trump, I'm happy that the governors are stepping up.

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As far as their names, you know, I just don't

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want these names to detract from the hard work ICE

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is doing. ICE agents. They're doing a difficult, dangerous job,

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a serious job. They're doing it with integrity and dignity

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and honor. I just don't want, you know, the names

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to detract from the serious work they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Well they are. And the governor of Florida, rond de Santis,

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he's stood behind this the whole way. This is what

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he had to say about it today.

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Speaker 7: EHS determines who goes into those facilities and who goes

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out of those facilities. Although we'd be willing to do it,

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but we are not the ones actually removing them from

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those facilities and sending them back their home country.

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Speaker 1: Yep. It's totally a federal program. Immigration is federal and

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Ronda Sants is supportive, but he's not involved other than

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they have that facility there. It seems to me like

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a perfect place to fly people in process them, figure

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out where you're sending them, and a monoplane, and then

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off they go. It's away from many population center and

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I don't see the environmental problem since that airport has

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been there for a long time. In fact, in fact,

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if you look at the history of this little dinky

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one runway airports, they had great plans for this. They

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built the thing in nineteen sixty eight. It was known

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then as the Everglades Jetport, and the idea was they

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wanted it to be the largest airport in the world.

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They wanted six runways. They wanted to connect Miami and

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the Gulf of Mexico by an expressway and a monorail line.

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So it would have been five times the size of

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JFK Airport in New York. So it was a big deal.

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But environmental concerns were the reason they canceled it and

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construction was halted in nineteen seventy. So it's still running

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into headwinds on becoming the biggest airport in the world.

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And speaking of transportation. We'd really we only mentioned it

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a couple of times. That was a week or so,

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a week or two ago where the illegal that was

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driving a truck and trailer big semi operation in Florida

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and made a U turn in the middle of an

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interstate highway car crashed into the trailer. Three people were killed.

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Then they found out that the guy not only was

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here illegally, leaved from India, and he did not speak

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a lick of English and also did not read any English,

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so he could not read the road signs. But even

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with all that, it's a head scratcher. So I got

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in touch with truck and curmudgeon who's been in the

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trucking business for a long time, and we had this

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conversation about it.

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Speaker 2: How many a long.

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Speaker 1: How many illegals are out there driving these big riegs.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of immigrants. I can't tell

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you who's illegal and who's not just by looking at them,

489
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but there's a lot of immigrants. It got way worse

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under Obama. That's when they dropped the regulation about speaking English.

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That regulation has been in place since the nineteen thirties. Sure,

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you know you had somebody that couldn't communicate. You placed

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them out of service. You called the company and you

494
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had them send out a qualified driver. But when Obama

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took over, they told federal dot to stand down, and

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they told the states to stand down, so they had

497
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all these unqualified people coming in. I mean, Tom, the

498
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truck stops are an absolute garbage pit. The same thing

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with the rest areas. They it's like they don't know

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how to use it, toil it.

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Speaker 1: I remember them. I remember the complaints during the Obama administration.

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What it was. It was about Mexican truck drivers. And

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it wasn't necessarily about Mexicans themselves so much as it

504
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was that they had trucks that were not maintained. Nobody

505
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,240
spent the money to keep the trucks maintained. Talking about

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steering and brakes, things like that that are kind of important.

507
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That was the complaint. It wasn't a racial complaint. It

508
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was an equipment complaint more than anything else.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: But if I'm and if I'm driving down the road

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in Mexico, I'm not sure exactly what that sign says,

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but it's not I think I might be able to

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figure it out kind of.

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Speaker 2: But when I was in Italy. I didn't have any trouble.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've driven all over Europe and I figured out

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where I needed to go. So I don't know why

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this guy couldn't figure out the road signs.

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Speaker 2: They Uh, they tend to be in a hurry, particularly

519
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,519
young inexperienced drivers tend to be in a hurry. They

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00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:11,599
let the dispatchers push them. Old guys like me, we

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00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,599
tell the dispatcher where to go, and so we either

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do it or we don't. But a lot of young

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inexperienced drivers. And I put immigrants in that category as well,

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because they're easy for dispatcher to abuse because they don't

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00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,000
know that. They don't know the laws. They don't know

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the labor laws, they don't know what's permissible what's not,

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and you know, the these dispatchers will force them. There's

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a coercion rule out there that came about a few

529
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,639
years ago. Actually I was I was part of the

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00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,960
suit on that with with the Owner Operators Association because

531
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of a shipper that had us leave the property after

532
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:58,559
we were out of service or out of hours. So yeah,

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00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:03,440
it's very easy abuse the immigrants. I watch, uh some

534
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,159
of the some of these receiving companies, particularly in the

535
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retail end of it. How they treat a fellow that

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walks in with a turbine on his head to in

537
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,639
comparison with me when I walk in and I'm obviously

538
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:25,480
of the red peck persuasion, and you know, they treat

539
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:29,360
them entirely different. Of course, they could be frustrated because

540
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,119
they don't speak very well Brea good English either, but

541
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they do get abused, and I kind of feel bad

542
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for them in that respect.

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Speaker 1: What what's the what's the status of the trucking industry?

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00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,639
From where you sit? We keep hearing about people are

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going to start slowing down on their spending. You talked

546
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about retail, but manufacturing numbers are down all that, and

547
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:58,639
I'm going it's got to show up on on the

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the docks of trucks.

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Speaker 2: No, No, not at all. In fact, I ask about

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it occasionally and people don't seem to think that it's

551
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it's a huge factor. I don't think it's it's really

552
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affecting the freight as much as the market as the

553
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,159
Biden market is affecting the freight. We'll see we just

554
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did they just have it recovered from that?

555
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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, it so did Biden put put the brakes

556
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:33,320
on the trucking industry or just on business as in general,

557
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,039
would slow down the trucking industry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, business in general. We're the first ones to see

559
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,159
an uptick. We're the first ones to see a downtick

560
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because for us, it's August. We're already moving Christmas freight.

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So and it's not particularly strong this year, by the way,

562
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So yeah, it's there. There may be some pent up

563
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,000
demand when it finally hits.

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Speaker 1: And then being cautious, they're just being cautious.

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Speaker 2: Maybe absolutely well, they're they're busy trying to afford ground

566
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:17,880
beef instead of steak, and you know, uh, and trying

567
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,119
to put groceries on the table. The extra income seems

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to have dried up in many places, particularly in the

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lower income levels.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't surprise me, all right, So at the truck stops,

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you see lots of immigrants, but you don't know if

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they're legal or ill legal.

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Speaker 2: Lots of immigrants. I mean there's and I don't I

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have no problem with the immigrants is as long as

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they do what they're supposed to do, Assimilate to our culture,

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assimilate to our our our highways. But you know it

577
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:57,880
goes in waves. I mean years ago, it would have

578
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:03,400
it would have been our ancestors, the iron then the Italians, Yeah,

579
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you know then then then then you had the Russians

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00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:11,360
and the Punjabis come over, and there was you know,

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there was a learning curve there for those.

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Speaker 1: But one thing about immigrants is that they they they

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00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,000
bring over their cousins, their brother in laws. I mean,

584
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that's the way immigrants have always operated. You bring over

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00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:27,800
your your family and friends, and you know you've got

586
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,480
a job waiting in America. They're going to come and they.

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Speaker 2: Bring over a work ethic that a lot of Americans

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have forgot about.

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Speaker 1: Mmm. That's a little bit of our conversation with trucking curmudgeon,

590
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,880
who is on the front lines out there in the

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00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,719
trucking industry. Let's check in with Wall Street. See what

592
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,760
happened there today and and uh oh oh, look at

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00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,320
this it was. It was a good day for Wall Street.

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00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,400
We have been a while, but the first time we've

595
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,360
had a record in I'm thinking months on the Dow,

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00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:09,719
the Dow Jones industrials up seventy one points. Never seen

597
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,639
this before forty five thousand, six thirty six. The SMP

598
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,880
has been hitting records. They hit another one today, up

599
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:24,480
twenty to sixty five oh one nasdak no, I mean

600
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:27,599
this close to a record, up one hundred and fifteen.

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The twenty one thousand and seven five the price of gold,

602
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:34,639
good day for gold, up twenty eight dollars to thirty

603
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:38,159
four to seventy seven. And oil it was up just

604
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:43,119
a smidgeon twenty cents higher, up to sixty four dollars

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00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:47,480
for one barrel of oil. Thank you for coming by today.

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We're going to try this again tomorrow and we hope

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to see them