1 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,919 Speaker 1: Munster house presents. 2 00:00:11,279 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: Like a scabbyish looking kind of growth over her face. 3 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:21,199 Looks like it was black quills or black toothpicks sticking 4 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:22,960 out all around his mouth. 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 3: Susan Mansfield said she saw a different bunny with tentacles 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:27,839 in her yard in recent years. 7 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:31,199 Speaker 2: He had the same black stuff on him and I 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,640 thought he would die off during the winter, but he didn't. 9 00:00:33,679 --> 00:00:36,759 He came back a second year, and it. 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,799 Speaker 3: Grew some feel bad for our tiny neighbors. If Colorado 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,320 Parks and Wildlife confirms this is a virus that's not 12 00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:46,640 contagious to other animals like people's dogs, but they say 13 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:49,640 leave this wildlife alone, like you would with any of 14 00:00:49,679 --> 00:00:54,159 the neighborhood bunnies, well, it's. 15 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: Actually quite unlike anything we've ever seen before. 16 00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 4: A giant hairy creek here Marte parts. 17 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:06,359 Speaker 5: In Luckness, a twenty four a mile long bottomless lake 18 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:08,959 in the Highlands of Scotland. It's a creature known as 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,040 the Luckness Monster. 20 00:01:32,359 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 4: Monstertal Welcome to Monster Talk, the science show about monsters. 21 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:39,959 I'm Blake Smith and. 22 00:01:39,879 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 6: I'm Karen Stolsner. 23 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,439 Speaker 4: Jackalobes are one of those monsters we've been meaning to 24 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,959 cover for pretty much the entire run of Monster Talk. 25 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:52,120 Somehow we never got to them until now. Well they're 26 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,400 back in the news, and there's a lot of confusion 27 00:01:54,439 --> 00:01:59,280 between the made up jacalobe and it's very real biological analog. 28 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,680 That's what we'll be talking about in this episode. On 29 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:07,519 the surface, Jacoalopes are pretty silly. The taxidermity critter we 30 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:10,400 all know today isn't really a Montreal It's a piece 31 00:02:10,439 --> 00:02:13,840 of folk art. We even know exactly who started it, 32 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:17,240 Brothers Douglas and Ralph Herrick, who in nineteen thirty two 33 00:02:17,439 --> 00:02:21,639 in Douglas, Wyoming, attached to antlers to stuffed rabbits, and 34 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,560 that town still proudly calls itself Home of the Jackalope. 35 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,800 As the show ninety nine Percent Invisible has pointed out, 36 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,400 the novelty really spread thanks to Wall Drug in South Dakota, 37 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,759 a roadside attraction that has grown into a city block 38 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:43,240 sized emporium of kitsch. They sold jacoalope postcards, souvenirs, and 39 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:48,840 mounted specimens, helping turn the gag into modern Americana. But 40 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,240 while taxidermists were sewing together imaginary creatures, a researcher named 41 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,400 Richard Schope was studying something disturbingly close to the Herrick's 42 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:02,639 whimsical creation. Only this wasn't make believe. People began sending 43 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,000 him rabbits with grotesque corn like growths erupting from their 44 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,240 heads and faces. CHOP's studies revealed a few key things. 45 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:14,199 The growths were made of keratin like hair and nails, 46 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:18,280 They often sprouted from hair follicles as a wart like structure, 47 00:03:18,599 --> 00:03:22,800 and while they were usually benign, sometimes they became malignant cancers. 48 00:03:23,879 --> 00:03:28,159 Most importantly, Chop demonstrated that the disease was contagious and 49 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,120 caused by a virus, and his work was one of 50 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,520 the very first proofs that viruses could cause a cancer. 51 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:39,439 And the implications didn't stop with rabbits. This cottontail papilloma 52 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,800 virus turned out to have parallels in human papilloma viruses 53 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:49,159 or HPV, which also sometimes causes cancer. Decades later, that 54 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:52,039 line of research would contribute to the development of vaccines 55 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,479 which can now prevent many cases of cervical cancer in 56 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,520 human beings. Of course, today, when people stumble across a 57 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:03,240 rabbit these strange growths, the instinct is to study them. 58 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:06,639 It's to post photos online and spark around of viral 59 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,400 headlines about zombie bunnies, frankin rabbits, and cuthulhu hairs, and 60 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:14,919 that's exactly what's happening in Colorado right now. Local residents 61 00:04:14,919 --> 00:04:19,160 are seeing these odd, though hardly rare rabbits, and social 62 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:23,959 media and local news are busy sensationalizing the outbreak. Today, 63 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,399 we'll be talking with Cara Van who's from the Colorado 64 00:04:26,439 --> 00:04:29,959 Parks and Wildlife Department, to separate facts from folklore and 65 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:36,680 answer your questions about this peculiar but not particularly threatening condition. Mobstutle. 66 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 6: We were in my wife and I and co host 67 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:44,879 of the show, Karen Stolesnow we were in Great Britain 68 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,800 at the time when suddenly we're seeing all these reports 69 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:54,079 of these either mutant rabbits or jackalobes or whatever just 70 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,720 coming out. Even some were saying zombie bunnies or just 71 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,240 coming in. And then then even Blake is messaging us 72 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,399 about it, and you know, it's leaving a lot of 73 00:05:05,439 --> 00:05:09,839 the residents creeped out and concerned. And something strange is 74 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,560 causing the growths on the head and faces of these rabbits, 75 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,480 and I'm wondering, could it be proof that other cryptids 76 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:19,600 exist or is it a radioactive mutation or maybe aliens? 77 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,959 But here with us today we have Cara van Voss 78 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,920 and she is the spokesperson for the Colorado Department of 79 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,560 Wildlife And welcome to Monster Talk. 80 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm glad to be here. 81 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 6: So what is it that's causing these strange growths on 82 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:36,160 these otherwise adorable bunnies. 83 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,639 Speaker 1: It's not as exotic as people think. It's just a virus. 84 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,720 It's a form of the rabbit papaloma virus or also 85 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,199 known as the shop papolama virus that's coined after the 86 00:05:50,519 --> 00:05:54,120 man who discovered it, doctor Richard Schope, And it's just 87 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,720 transmitted to them by fleas or ticks or mosquitoes, just 88 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,759 very common things in Colorado and really a lot of 89 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,040 other places too. And we see this transmitted to rabbits 90 00:06:05,079 --> 00:06:08,720 in the summertime and then they just kind of grow 91 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:12,680 these things on their faces. They're kind of wart wart like, 92 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,920 that's how we're describing them. And they can manifest in 93 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,319 different ways like horns or maybe tentacles. Sometimes they look 94 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,160 like more traditional warts, like the smaller circular little growths, 95 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,600 but it looks different for each rabbit. And eventually because 96 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,560 it's a virus. The rabbits will defeat it. Their immune 97 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,000 system will take over and it'll clear it out of 98 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,199 their body and the growth will just fall off naturally. 99 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,439 Speaker 4: Wow. I have to say that is actually a surprising 100 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,079 thing for me to. I had read about these We've 101 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:46,360 actually been reading about the virus for a long time 102 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:48,959 because we've been meaning to do an episode on jackalobes. 103 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:55,360 And there's this question of was the folklore slash I 104 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,920 don't know what amusement story of the jackalobe was that inspired? 105 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:03,959 Are these things or was it just a coincidence, like 106 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,600 convergent sort of narrative evolution, you know. So I don't 107 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,279 know the answer to that, but I was really delighted 108 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:13,519 because everything I read up to just now implied that 109 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,639 these things just continue to grow into the bunnies and 110 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,800 able to eat, and that seemed terrible. But it sounds 111 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,879 like they can actually survive. Are these soft? Are they hard? 112 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:23,920 Have you touched them? 113 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:24,199 Speaker 7: No? 114 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: I've not touched them myself, But it's really not for 115 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:30,600 lack of trying. Really, I think rabbits are just pretty 116 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,360 fast creatures and wiggle their way into places where you 117 00:07:34,399 --> 00:07:35,040 can't find them. 118 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 6: Is this at all contagious to other species, can of spread. 119 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,079 Speaker 1: To humans, so it can be transmitted from rabbit to rabbit, 120 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,519 but we don't see it going to other species like 121 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:48,319 dogs or humans or other things that could come in 122 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,680 contact with the rabbits. It's a concern though for domestic bunnies. 123 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,680 So if you do own bunnies that you let them 124 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,720 outdoors and maybe they interact with wildlife, it's something to 125 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,920 keep in mind during the summer that it could happen, 126 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:03,160 you know, not only from other rabbits, but from those 127 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:06,680 same fleas, ticks, things that will bite them as well. 128 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,680 But no, we don't see that. I mean humans, we've 129 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,199 got our own form of the papalomavirus, you know, we've 130 00:08:12,199 --> 00:08:15,040 got our own strain. But they tend to be like 131 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,680 hard like growths that happen on the rabbit spaces, so 132 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:23,439 they feel like warts. It's that same probably texture texture. 133 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Sounds gross to say. 134 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 4: These are in the news right now. 135 00:08:27,439 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 8: Now. 136 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:30,279 Speaker 4: I know for a fact I've seen old wood cutting, 137 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,200 so it's not a brand new thing. But why is 138 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,840 it in the news now. Is this an unusually busy 139 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:38,720 year for it, or just it just suddenly popped up, 140 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:40,159 or what's going on there. 141 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:44,759 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, people are really interested in it this year. 142 00:08:44,879 --> 00:08:47,799 It's hard to say if there are more rabbits being 143 00:08:47,799 --> 00:08:50,639 affected because this is a wild population, so we don't 144 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,759 really know, or if people just are simpthing more aware 145 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:56,639 of them. I think one of the first photos to 146 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,320 kind of go viral really showed in clear detais tale 147 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:04,200 the horns or the tentacles and then just caught like 148 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,000 like fire everywhere. Right, And I've done interviews on this 149 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,240 just internationally. Yeah, the UK was really interested, and then 150 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,080 a bunch here in the US. But we didn't get 151 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,080 any calls about the rabbits this year before the first 152 00:09:19,159 --> 00:09:22,480 news story, So it's like the story happens and then 153 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,840 people maybe take more notice or decide, oh, Colorado Parks 154 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,799 and Wildlife wants to know about these things, and then 155 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,320 we start taking more calls. So it's probably some combination 156 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,360 of both. It can also depend to if we have 157 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,480 maybe a healthier flea and tich population that year, like 158 00:09:38,519 --> 00:09:41,519 maybe this was a good rain year, or there are 159 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:45,399 more fleas and ticks out there, you know, distributing this virus. 160 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:48,080 It's it's difficult to say, and it's probably not just 161 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,799 one reason, but We're always really grateful for people taking 162 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,320 an interest in wildlife and science and nature. It's I 163 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,399 think it's cool to learn something new and learn about 164 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,279 what viruses can do, and that this is Thankfully the 165 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,919 human papaloma virus doesn't manifest itself like this. Imagine if 166 00:10:05,919 --> 00:10:07,720 people just started growing horns. 167 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,279 Speaker 4: Because of that. Why I can't imagine that. 168 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now do viral outbreaks like this tell 169 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:20,440 us anything about the health of the rabbit populations or 170 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:21,240 the ecosystem? 171 00:10:21,279 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 6: Like you were saying, you know, maybe it's a good 172 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,480 rain year and that that's causing you know, the ticks 173 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,960 and fleas maybe to be out there more. But are 174 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,720 you does the Department of Wildlife kind of pay attention 175 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:36,159 to this in terms of the overall health of these 176 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:38,200 the ecosystem. 177 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,039 Speaker 1: If it was something that was unique, I think we would. 178 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,039 But because this is cyclical and we see this every summer, 179 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,039 it's something that we just know exists on our landscape. 180 00:10:49,159 --> 00:10:51,679 If it was a new virus to Colorado, or if 181 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,519 it was something that was heavily impacting a threatened species, 182 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,080 Rabbits are plentiful in Colorado and across the states, so 183 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,840 we're we're not at all concerned about their wild population 184 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,600 because there are just so many of them. And yeah, 185 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:08,840 this virus is something that we've seen in Colorado for decades. 186 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,080 When we started getting questions about it and I turned 187 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,320 to our wildlife health experts at our lab, they were 188 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,559 confused why I was asking about it, because it's just 189 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,879 so common. They kind of scratching their heads, like, this 190 00:11:23,039 --> 00:11:25,840 is it? We get this every summer. I said, I 191 00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:28,440 don't know, people need to know, people. 192 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 6: Need Nothing is common until it hits YouTube. 193 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:36,799 Speaker 4: Well, well it's interesting. I mean, how many times something 194 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,799 completely mundane shows up? You know, it's nature, But since 195 00:11:40,799 --> 00:11:43,519 we live inside and don't go out, you know, then 196 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,799 it's all surprising and weird and strange. But this is 197 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:50,720 I mean, I think visually this has always been really 198 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:55,320 interesting to me. Again, at least since two thousand and five, 199 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:58,639 when I've maybe first heard about it. But I don't 200 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:00,360 think I've ever seen it in real life for this 201 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,120 year in these photos, so I'd only seen drawings. But 202 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,600 is it regionally centered because I mean, we have obviously 203 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,399 rabbits here in Georgia. I've never seen anything like this before, 204 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,759 and I used to spend a lot of times outdoors 205 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:19,879 before I got a computer job and life got me. Anyway, 206 00:12:21,799 --> 00:12:24,720 how far regionally does this sort of thing spread. 207 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,879 Speaker 1: It can be all across Colorado. I think the majority 208 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:31,639 of our calls though this year coming from northern Colorado, 209 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:34,720 because that's where the first photos were taken in for Collins, 210 00:12:34,759 --> 00:12:39,200 which is up near the border with Wyoming. But we've 211 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,759 heard of this across like the Midwest and the Northeast. 212 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,240 You know, it's something that a lot of different states 213 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,480 and regions deal with. And I wouldn't be surprised if 214 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,840 it also happens in Georgia. But maybe people just haven't noticed, 215 00:12:51,919 --> 00:12:53,120 or they just don't see them. 216 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,879 Speaker 4: We think they're very small deers. We don't report it, right, 217 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,320 What do you do when you get reports like this? 218 00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:02,639 If someone calls this in? I mean, how do you 219 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:03,480 handle those things? 220 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:06,519 Speaker 1: We treat it like an education opportunity. I think some 221 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,320 people want to know what's going on. They're concerned about 222 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,240 the rabbit's health because you know what a rabbit's face 223 00:13:12,279 --> 00:13:14,559 is supposed to look like, and that's that's not it. 224 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,879 So in some cases it's just giving them more information 225 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,360 answering some questions. It's also us asking too, did the 226 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,039 rabbit look healthy? Was it able to move around? Was 227 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,960 it covering its mouth? That's when we really become concerned 228 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,399 for its health is if these growths take over sensitive 229 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:33,399 areas of the face, like around the mouth, and then 230 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:36,279 they're unable to eat or their eyes or you know 231 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:38,440 something like that. So yeah, we just do like a 232 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,000 little bit of an assessment there. 233 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, if someone was to stumble upon one of these, 234 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:45,919 that's that's really the kind of questions they should be 235 00:13:45,919 --> 00:13:49,559 asking themselves. Is not how horrific you know that the 236 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:53,240 gross look, but how is the rabbit doing? Is that 237 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,919 what they should be paying attention to. 238 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: Yes, is the rabbit okay? Is it interacting with other 239 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,840 you know, domestic animals or other wildlife? Am I keeping 240 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,200 my distance? But these are things that we would tell 241 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,679 them with any type of wildlife, not just these rabbits 242 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,000 that are infected with the virus right now. So we 243 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,480 would tell them the same thing with deer or with 244 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,600 bears or you know, birds, anything like that of just 245 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:19,159 let wildlife be wild. 246 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 4: Interesting, Yeah, really curious. 247 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 6: You kind of implied that there are things that are 248 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:33,759 normal that you know, people don't always see. So are 249 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:36,600 there other kind of normal health issues? That when the 250 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:39,440 general public sees it, they get a little freaked out 251 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,159 and maybe even think they're seeing something I don't know, 252 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:45,039 like a encryptid or something. I mean, are there other 253 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,759 kind of normal health issues that you see every year 254 00:14:47,799 --> 00:14:48,840 that freak out the public. 255 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: You've brought up zombie bunnies, but every few years, it 256 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,559 seems like people just learn about chronic wasting disease and 257 00:14:55,639 --> 00:14:59,240 call them zombie deer. This is a neurological disease that 258 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,159 affects deer, elk, and pronghorn in Colorado, but mainly deer, 259 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:07,440 and it can make them appear as if they're they're 260 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,159 stumbling around and they're they're shaking their head. They can 261 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:15,240 act like how you think a zombie would or could act, 262 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,960 and it gets branded like that and then goes viral. 263 00:15:19,039 --> 00:15:22,159 And we we've been dealing with CWD now for a 264 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,120 number of years, and it's something that we know exists 265 00:15:25,159 --> 00:15:29,000 that we warn hunters about in case they take a deer. 266 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,799 You know, we study this the disease path and where 267 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:37,600 it's found in the different counties. But it's something that 268 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:43,360 is an unfortunate, normal thing that could happen to deer 269 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,200 in Colorado, but then somebody calls it zombie deer, and 270 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,480 then everybody kind of thinks they're learning about it for 271 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:50,000 the first time. 272 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 6: I think it was last year, maybe the year before 273 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:55,919 on the Western Slope. I can't remember. If it was 274 00:15:55,919 --> 00:15:58,840 a groundhog situation where there was a bunch of it 275 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,879 was reported as zombie a road and I believe of 276 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:08,080 some kind that didn't seem to be dying when they 277 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,639 should have, and that was like a big thing on 278 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:13,559 the Western Slope. I can look and see if I 279 00:16:13,559 --> 00:16:14,919 can find the story on that if I need to 280 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,879 it maybe two years ago. Do you remember anything about that? 281 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:20,919 Speaker 1: You might be talking about our prairie dogs that are 282 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,799 known to get the plague. Yeah, yes, that the plague 283 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,679 still exists and the prairie dogs are particularly susceptible to them, 284 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:33,639 also transmitted through fleas. That is something that that exists 285 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:36,480 and is certainly concerned because prairie dogs are such an 286 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:39,559 important praise species in Colorado. We've got a lot of 287 00:16:39,559 --> 00:16:44,360 predators that rely on their population for their food, and 288 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:48,039 that's something we have developed at CPW. We've developed a 289 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:52,159 plague vaccine for prairie dogs specifically, and we distribute that 290 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:56,240 to them and these little little pellets covered in peanut 291 00:16:56,279 --> 00:16:59,919 butter and then dyed blue and we throw them out 292 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,039 to prairie dog burrows. I was on one of these 293 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:04,440 just the other week. 294 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,559 Speaker 4: That I do want to talk a little bit about 295 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:15,759 the role of science within the government and what contributions 296 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,599 citizens can do to sort of contribute to citizens science. 297 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:22,000 That's been a sort of recurring theme lately, because you know, 298 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:24,240 we're a show about monsters, but we're really a show 299 00:17:24,279 --> 00:17:26,519 about science, and a lot of people who go out 300 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:29,359 into the woods to hunt for Bigfoot think they're doing science, 301 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,559 but there are ways that could actually contribute to the 302 00:17:32,599 --> 00:17:36,480 general body of knowledge that a lot of them are 303 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:36,960 not doing. 304 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:39,759 Speaker 1: You know, we take a lot of bigfoot sightings in Colorado. 305 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,119 Oh yeah, will call in to CPW saying that they 306 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:50,160 have spotted bigfoot, and it's I will never turn down 307 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:55,759 anybody who calls saying they have Bigfoot information. We particularly 308 00:17:55,839 --> 00:18:00,200 take this in like our southwest region of CPW, which 309 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,240 makes sense. It's got a lot of mountains, it's got 310 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,759 a lot of wooded areas. We have somebody who swore 311 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,960 up and down that Bigfoot visited their campsite and was 312 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:15,000 very interested in their twinkies that they had, So it's 313 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:16,559 that that's kind of how we you know, if we 314 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,119 needed to bait bigfoot, I think we would use twinkies. 315 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 4: Oh, this twinkie thing, it ain't over yet. 316 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 7: Let's say this twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic 317 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,799 energy in the New York area according to this morning sample, 318 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:37,440 it would be a twinkie thirty five feet long, weighing 319 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,400 approximately six hundred pounds. 320 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 6: That's a big twinkie. 321 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 4: It lasts a long time in the field. That's important. 322 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,799 What true? Yeah, they don't go bad, It's very true. 323 00:18:49,559 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 8: Is this really true? Can America's favorite snack really survived 324 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,279 decades without decomposing despite what culture may claim, despite the 325 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:03,480 best efforts a hostess food scientists, twinkies absolutely can and 326 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:05,720 do go bad, and fairly quickly at that. 327 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 5: A pedant is someone who is overly concerned with formalistic 328 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,039 rules or insignificant details and or goes out of their 329 00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:17,000 way to show off their own knowledge or academic learning. 330 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: But getting back to the citizen science angle, people are 331 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,519 our eyes and ears in the field and what's going 332 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:26,680 on in the state, not only with the environment but 333 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:30,759 also with wildlife. This is why anybody who hunts or 334 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:34,559 fishes in Colorado can be asked to just tell us 335 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,279 what you saw out there and what you know, your 336 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,079 historical knowledge of these properties and these places that you 337 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,440 visit year after year. We ask them just to give 338 00:19:44,519 --> 00:19:47,519 us kind of a download of the information there that 339 00:19:47,559 --> 00:19:52,400 they experienced. And we can't be everywhere in Colorado. We're, 340 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:56,200 you know, an agency of what twelve hundred full time employees. 341 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,000 It would be impossible for us to get a handle 342 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:02,119 on what every go wildlife species is doing in the state. 343 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,799 And that's why we need the people who do live 344 00:20:04,839 --> 00:20:08,519 there and do recreate in other areas to tell us 345 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,240 things that are going on. I've noticed that the deer 346 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:15,759 population in this area is a little smaller than last year. 347 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,960 Or I saw moose here two weeks ago and I've 348 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 never seen a moose there before. It's just these little 349 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:26,119 anecdotes that maybe you think are one offs or just 350 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,400 a good Facebook post, but really this helps us make 351 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:33,440 management decisions and it helps us gain a greater understanding 352 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,799 of what's going on in Colorado. 353 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,799 Speaker 4: Do you have any sort of apps that people could 354 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,119 use to sort of report that data, or do you 355 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,759 send out queries or surveys or how does that work. 356 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: We do send out surveys to certain hunters and anglers 357 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,200 and like game management units, or even when we're just 358 00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:52,680 contacting them in the field checking licenses, you know, and 359 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:55,079 maybe they just call and tell us at our office. 360 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,119 You know, it could be any of the normal ways 361 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,079 that people would be talking to us. Anyway. 362 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 4: People probably afraid to purport Bigfoot because you know, they 363 00:21:04,039 --> 00:21:06,039 get that kill limit. You don't want to overdo your 364 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:07,279 you don't want to lose your license. 365 00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:13,079 Speaker 1: It would be an extraordinary license to issue in Colorado, 366 00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:16,480 and the amount of preference points that you would need 367 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,119 would just be astronomical. It'd be something like five thousand 368 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,000 preference points and you're never going to do that. You 369 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:23,119 get like one or two a year. 370 00:21:23,319 --> 00:21:25,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what that means. What does that mean? 371 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:25,839 Preference points? 372 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: Sure, So that's how we determine what license goes to 373 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:33,359 whom in Colorado is through a point system. Okay, and 374 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,000 it's it can be weighted and it can be random. 375 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,960 But you every year you get a point and you 376 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,000 can either bank them and maybe save up for something 377 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:44,720 that costs a lot of points, like in a envirable area. 378 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:47,519 Speaker 4: I want to kill an elk, that's more points that 379 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:51,400 if I want to kill a tenttal cold hair, you know, 380 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,880 or rabbit or something what it could be. 381 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: Yes, So if if you wanted to go elk hunting 382 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:00,880 and a place that it supposedly has really great options 383 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,240 for you, maybe that costs you more points than somewhere 384 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,880 else of oh I just want, like, you know, a 385 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,880 deer license somewhere else. So it's because Colorado is such 386 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:15,240 a desirable place to hunt that this is just a 387 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:19,880 more fair and equitable system of using preference points than say, 388 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,519 you know, you go out in Michigan and they're deer everywhere. 389 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,319 Maybe they do it, maybe they do it differently there, 390 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:26,680 but this is how Colorado does it. 391 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:30,079 Speaker 6: I do love that, like in the Pike's Peak area, 392 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,279 they have the Bigfoot Crossing science up on Pike's Peak, 393 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,400 and I love how they kind of have fun with that. 394 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,599 But I'm assuming that the Pike's Peak area probably gets 395 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,480 a lot of reports. 396 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: It does, you know, it does up there, I would 397 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:49,880 say more so though in the Southwest region or even 398 00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:53,279 there's an area of Colorado called Evergreen, you know, in 399 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,039 Jefferson County. I think we take a lot of reports 400 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:59,759 from there. The Bigfoot Museum in Colorado's also sort of 401 00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:02,160 around Evergreen, so I think people just have maybe a 402 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,079 heightened awareness. 403 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 6: Yes, I've been there. 404 00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:06,279 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. 405 00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 6: Absolutely, Yes, yeah, that's it's absolutely fascinating of what I think. 406 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:19,960 Colorado was the fifth top of bigfoot reports. But I 407 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,880 can never keep track if that's if that was several 408 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,119 years ago or if that's current. But I know we 409 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,160 we a lot. So I have not seen him myself, 410 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,000 as much as I try to get out. But still, 411 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:34,000 you know, you never know, you never know. 412 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: It happened anytime anyplace. 413 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 4: Right, If you see a bigfoot with giant horns and tentacles, 414 00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:43,920 you know obviously that's let us know, right, So do not. 415 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,400 I mean, you can let the Department of Wildlife know, 416 00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:48,720 but let let us know it. Monster talk for sure, 417 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,039 Yeah we want to know that. But yeah, you get 418 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:55,440 the Alfred Packer license for hunting the most dangerous game. 419 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:03,519 Speaker 1: Oh no, yes, his h His cabin is near one 420 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:07,000 of our state wildlife areas. Now that we have a 421 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:09,880 newly acquired property and the cabin is nearby. 422 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,839 Speaker 6: Wow, that's cool. 423 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 4: Strange history. Check the show notes. I'll put a link 424 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,440 in for what we're talking about. 425 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,279 Speaker 6: Very interesting. So we we have a signature question. Yeah, 426 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,680 and I'm hoping this one, uh, you know, kind of 427 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,039 generates some some interesting thought on your part. But what 428 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,400 is your favorite monster? 429 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: It did make me stop and think about it, and 430 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,720 first you thought like, well, what what is a monster? 431 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: You know? 432 00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 4: Is this question? Yeah? 433 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: Human? Is it non human? Formerly human? You know, it's 434 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,960 went through a lot of different a lot of different scenarios. 435 00:24:49,319 --> 00:25:00,240 My my gut. My first reaction was to say Godzilla. 436 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,039 But then I feel like a lot of people say Godzilla. 437 00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 4: Not a lot, but yeah, some. 438 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,079 Speaker 6: Some don't listen to them. 439 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,559 Speaker 4: Come from your heart, not from what everybody else is doing. 440 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,640 That's that's all that matters. 441 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: I struggled with this though, at its core, because I 442 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:19,559 just associate monsters with horror movies and I don't. I 443 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:22,920 don't mess with horror movies. I'm just a big chicken. 444 00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:25,680 They seem too real to me, and I can't. 445 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:27,799 Speaker 6: You're scary too, though, big chicken. 446 00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 4: Here in Georgia we have a giant KFC with an 447 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,839 enormous like forty put chicken on top. They called the 448 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,440 Big Chicken. So yeah, yeah, that makes sense. 449 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: So I had to step back even further and thought 450 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:48,559 more about it, and I've landed on Predator. It's my 451 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:56,480 favorite monster. First Predator movie. I just really enjoy It's 452 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,200 very rewatchable to me, and I think it's just it's 453 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,480 on a lot of different things that I love about movies, 454 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,119 and uh, it's also kind of funny. It's just a 455 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:12,920 funny movie to me. And I think the the sequels 456 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,640 and like the remakes that Predator has done have also 457 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,960 been really consistent that you don't get in the weird 458 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:22,920 campiness maybe like one or two movies do, but that 459 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:28,240 the the series keeps evolving, you know. Watched Predators like 460 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,200 Killer of Killers, the animated series, I think it was 461 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,759 on Hulu this year. Loved that they had Predator set 462 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:39,240 in like a Samurai time period. I thought, I absolutely 463 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:41,599 need a full length movie of this. This is incredible. 464 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:45,160 And looking forward to Predator bad Lands that's coming out 465 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,759 later this year. I promise I'm not being paid to 466 00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:51,119 do promotional work for them, but I'm I think it 467 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,559 looks great. So yeah, I think Predator and just like 468 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,640 the kind of ultimate monster. He's smart, yeah, very smart. 469 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,119 He's not just reactive, you know, he really studies what's 470 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,680 going on and then takes into account like all of 471 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,160 the different scenarios and things that they could do. Pray 472 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:13,039 was also a really incredible movie that I thought, uh 473 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,200 was just a great addition to the Predator franchise. So yes, 474 00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:17,440 I've landed on Predator. 475 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,559 Speaker 4: Nice you know, uh Predator Original Predator. Uh. It was 476 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:24,720 going to be Jean Cleavon dom but that didn't work out. 477 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:28,400 But Kevin Peter Hall I believe, was the actor, and 478 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,880 he also played Harry and Harry and the Henderson's We've 479 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,119 got a big foot tie in there. 480 00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh there you go. Yeah. I know I've read 481 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,039 a lot of chevy about the first one where Jean 482 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:39,559 Claude Pandam He's like, well, what do you mean I'm 483 00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:42,000 in a suit? No, it's yeah, that's why I'm in 484 00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:42,440 the movie. 485 00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:42,799 Speaker 6: You know. 486 00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's because it's your it's your body type. 487 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 4: I like the way it turned out. It's such a 488 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,440 great film, so so so it's fun, thought provoking. Kara, 489 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,519 thank you so much for making time for us, and 490 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,000 thank you for doing, uh, you know, your work in 491 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,240 a public science sort of way. I really appreciate. I 492 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,519 know there's munications, but seriously. So much of what happens 493 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:07,440 with your group is tied into resource management and responsible 494 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,839 stewardship of our material world. So thank you, thank you. 495 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great to be able to kind of shut 496 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,039 a light on different things people didn't know about wildlife, 497 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,119 and I appreciate people taking an interest in. 498 00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:23,559 Speaker 4: It, right. Thank you so much, Kara Hey and Matthew, 499 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,960 thanks for putting this together. And I think maybe you know, 500 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,079 it's really cool to be able to talk about a 501 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:34,559 topic that ties together monsters and current news and science 502 00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:40,200 and public resource management, all these interesting topics that you 503 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,920 know sometimes elude us when we're just sitting in offices 504 00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:45,359 or driving down the road. But this is our stuck 505 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,519 in traffic or whatever. But this is really neat stuff. 506 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:51,880 So I'll put some links in the show notes to 507 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,799 your group, and also about this virus and show kind 508 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,799 of the age of it, and a little bit about Jacobs, 509 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:01,160 which I'll probably honestly do a little research and doing 510 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,000 the intro or autro. 511 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,559 Speaker 1: So I was pleasantly surprised to like researching this that 512 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,559 Jacolbes were mentioned, and like even some of our science 513 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,839 handouts maybe that we would give to the public of 514 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,799 it's probably where jacolopes came from. People thought they were 515 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:18,119 seen in Oh Okay. 516 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 4: I'm really curious about that. A friend of mine wrote 517 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,480 a well it's not he passed away. But there's a 518 00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:29,079 whole lot of articles about this sort of fad in 519 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:33,400 the nineteen thirties and forties for postcards showing giant fish, 520 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,279 giant vegetables and that sort of thing. And it feels 521 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,880 like the jacolobe sort of fits into that sort of 522 00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:44,519 put a photo or you know, it's taxidermy, you know, 523 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,759 kind of hoaxing sort of thing. 524 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,079 Speaker 6: I grew up in North Park, Colorado. 525 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,759 Speaker 1: Oh okay, and just about in. 526 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:57,079 Speaker 6: Every kind of little old apothecary and you know old 527 00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:02,000 store in that area, there would be a taxidermy jacalobe. Yes, 528 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,440 I figure it started by a taxidermist pulling a prank. Yeah, 529 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,720 he thought it was funny. Sure went from there. That 530 00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:13,279 would be my assumption. And then life imitated arts and 531 00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:18,200 we have this situation, but it probably didn't exactly happen 532 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,200 like that. Before we go out to the public, we'll 533 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,720 definitely fact check and figure out kind of where things fall. 534 00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,839 Speaker 4: That's how we do. But yeah, but I love I 535 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:34,440 love getting the sort of like absolute most accurate science 536 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,279 we can, you know, and getting that out there. But 537 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,720 using monsters is a way to you know, talk about 538 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,519 this stuff. It's fun. 539 00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, anything to get people interested in science. 540 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 4: And nature exactly. Monster You've been listening to Monster Talk, 541 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,160 the science show about monsters. I'm Blake Smith and I'm 542 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,440 Karen Stolsner. You just heard an interview with Carravent who's 543 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,839 from Colorado Parks and Wildlife, about the rooteen outbreaks of 544 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,279 shop papillomavirus in Colorado rabbits. Remember, these aren't jackalopes, and 545 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:09,839 most of these rabbits will be fine. What's fascinating is 546 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,960 how curiosity about these grotesque but natural growths help researchers 547 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,559 discover that viruses can cause cancer, a discovery that decades 548 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,359 later made possible vaccines preventing common human cancers. Discovery often 549 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,640 works like that, unlikely links made by clear, persistent, and 550 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:31,480 curious investigation. We hope you've enjoyed this episode of Monster Talk. 551 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,519 Each episode we strive to bring you the very best 552 00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:37,680 in monster related content, with a focus on bringing scientific 553 00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:42,039 skepticism into the conversation. 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Why it's no ordinary? 576 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 5: Leave it? 577 00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:49,799 Speaker 2: That's the most. 578 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 4: Foul, cool and bad temper. Wouldn't you ever say? I 579 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,559 don't know kit, I saw my armor. 580 00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:57,599 Speaker 5: I was so scared. 581 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:01,839 Speaker 4: That rabbit's got a Fishers Street mile wife. It's a killer. 582 00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:04,079 He'll do you a. 583 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,159 Speaker 8: Cheat mate, monkey Scott's I'm wanting you. 584 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: What's he doing? 585 00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 6: Nibble your bun. 586 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,159 Speaker 1: He's got sheet shop, he can leap about. 587 00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:18,679 Speaker 5: Look at the bones, gone boys, chop his head off? 588 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 4: Right, silly little bitter one ready to come and right up. 589 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:31,639 Speaker 1: Look Jesus Christ, I want you? 590 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,199 Speaker 4: What done it again? 591 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 3: I warn you? 592 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,679 Speaker 4: But did you listen to me? Oh? 593 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,559 Speaker 1: No, you your ordn't you? 594 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 4: Oh it's just a harmless little bunny, isn't it